[01:24] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[01:25] <slidinghorn> Morning?  You must be up super early
[01:25] <slidinghorn> what time is it there?
[01:25] <lotuspsychje> you got me through slidinghorn :p
[01:26] <lotuspsychje> im early 3h26
[01:26] <slidinghorn> why are you waking up at 3:25am??
[01:26] <lotuspsychje> im in vacation mode so didnt need much sleep
[01:26] <lotuspsychje> i set my buzzer at 3h just to see you guys lol
[01:27] <slidinghorn> well you're in for a disappointing morning!  :P
[01:27] <lotuspsychje> trolls & naggers again?
[01:27] <slidinghorn> it wouldn't be #ubuntu without them
[01:27] <lotuspsychje> lol
[01:27] <lotuspsychje> some ppl need proper attention...
[01:28] <lotuspsychje> and i never believed in /ignores
[01:28] <lotuspsychje> thats like an austrich putting head in the sand
[01:30] <lotuspsychje> cool bionic wallpapers added
[01:33] <lotuspsychje> https://imgur.com/a/bTtdN
[02:58] <lotuspsychje> hey pragmaticenigma
[02:58] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: support slowly &stable
[03:02] <pragmaticenigma> dunno... been focused on my dev project
[03:03] <pragmaticenigma> what's up lotuspsychje
[03:03] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: new bionic wall: you like? https://imgur.com/a/bTtdN
[03:05] <pragmaticenigma> something you made or is that in the collection?
[03:05] <lotuspsychje> new wallpapers just added from repo
[03:06] <pragmaticenigma> looks cool
[03:07] <lotuspsychje> yeah they added some nice ones
[04:19] <EriC^^> morning all
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[04:21] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[04:21] <EriC^^> whats up
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> all fine here mate
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> reading up some news with coffee
[04:23] <EriC^^> cool
[04:23] <EriC^^> i'm trying to remove the hwe package
[04:24] <EriC^^> installed it yesterday to try to fix the mic not getting picked up, my res is gone from display so i want to remove it
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> ouch
[04:31] <EriC^^> yeah it's messy
[04:33] <EriC^^> rebooting
[04:36] <EriC^^> back in business
[04:36] <EriC^^> :D
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> wb
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> worked?
[04:51] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Want my recipe to revert HWE ?
[04:56]  * slidinghorn just accidentally ended up on a YouTube linux talk show somehow lol
[04:57] <Bashing-om> slidinghorn: Who says there are no happy accidents :)
[04:58] <slidinghorn> I thought I was just joining some kind of chat room for folks watching and next thing I know, my face is on the screen xD
[04:58] <slidinghorn> (good thing I was clothed!)
[04:58] <Bashing-om> slidinghorn: Them sneaky cams !
[05:05] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: yeah
[05:05] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: thanks, i reverted it using apt/history.log
[05:05] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: You *ARE* good :)
[05:06] <EriC^^> good ol' 4.4 kernel back running
[05:07] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: how's the belgium got talent? any good stuff or funny stuff?
[05:07] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Yepper .... if there is no need, don't HWE :)
[05:08] <EriC^^> yup, dont do hwe kids should be taught in schools
[05:08] <EriC^^> :D
[06:09] <ducasse> good morning, everyone
[06:10] <slidinghorn> mornin' ducasse
[06:10] <ducasse> hi slidinghorn - all well?
[06:12] <slidinghorn> I'm alive and kicking - can't really complain I guess :)
[06:23] <EriC^^> morning ducasse o/
[06:26] <ducasse> hi EriC^^ - how are you?
[06:26] <EriC^^> good thanks you?
[06:26] <ducasse> yep, all good here. just waking up.
[06:28] <ducasse> the snow has finally begun to melt outside, making the grass visible here and there. there's still a ton left, though.
[06:29] <EriC^^> cool
[06:30] <slidinghorn> I'm in Ohio, so the snow melting is an illusion...it was 70F+ the past couple days, and it's going to snow again tomorrow
[06:32] <ducasse> we've had temperatures upward of 15°C here, so i hope there's no more snow coming
[10:58] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon guys
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> !party
[12:31] <ubot5`> Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, #edubuntu, and #lubuntu are support channels. To countdown to !bionic release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/3339/
[12:42] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj afternoon mate
[12:43] <BluesKaj> Hey lotuspsychje, how's it going?
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> great here
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> very lazy sunday
[12:44] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj - all well?
[12:45] <BluesKaj> Hey ducasse , yes, fine here, and you?
[12:46] <ducasse> good here, thanks - really warm today
[12:47] <BluesKaj> well, so far the predicted storm hasn't materialized here, just cold and windy
[12:49]  * BluesKaj keeps fingers crossed
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> hey pauljw join the sunday club
[12:51] <pauljw> hi lotuspsychje :)
[12:51] <ducasse> \o pauljw
[12:51] <ducasse> how's your weekend?
[12:52] <pauljw> hey ducasse, wet but good. how are you?
[12:53] <ducasse> wet but warm :)
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> they pronounce summer thuesday in belgium
[12:54] <pauljw> :)
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> temps around 25c
[12:55] <BluesKaj> hey pauljw
[12:55] <pauljw> hi BluesKaj
[12:56] <BluesKaj> my connection is gonna drop for a few mins, connecting up the vpn
[12:56] <lotuspsychje> kk
[12:56] <pauljw> k
[13:00] <pauljw> i don't even bother with vpn at home anymore, lose 50-70% speed.
[13:08] <BluesKaj> new modem should arrive tomorrow, the new ISP 100mb speed is 15X faster than the dsl I'm on now...looking forward to it, altho i heard yesterday that throttling is used during heavy traffic hours
[13:09] <pauljw> i'm so jealous!!
[13:11] <BluesKaj> pauljw, I'm paying a much higher price for it tho
[13:13] <pauljw> no doubt, but if i could get that sort of service, i could drop directv and more than make up for additional costs. :)
[13:15] <BluesKaj> $80CDN ...equivalent to $65US...yeah I dropped Bell sat service to justify the additional costs ... most of the shows I watch are availble on"IPTV"anyway
[13:19]  * BluesKaj is a bit of a newshound and all "the biggies" have live streams now
[13:21] <pauljw> :D
[13:24] <BluesKaj> for example.was watch Russia Today yesterday. They aren't egven subtle about their anti-western slant on the news. It's really quite.funny
[13:24] <BluesKaj> watching
[13:25] <pauljw> :)
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-shell bionic
[13:29] <ubot5`> gnome-shell (source: gnome-shell): graphical shell for the GNOME desktop. In component main, is optional. Version 3.28.0-0ubuntu5 (bionic), package size 675 kB, installed size 7395 kB
[13:38] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, did Ubuntu drop Wayland as the default window system for Bionic or was that just a rumour aboutr Wayland becoming the default
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: we had users reporting that new too, prob spam
[13:39] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: bionic has now xorg by default, wayland still choosable
[13:39] <BluesKaj> right'
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> i dont think after all the hard work on wayland they would drop
[13:39] <hggdh> it is just not the default
[13:40] <BluesKaj> tried wayland on fedora 26 on the laptop , it was ok , but seemed sluggish on an i3 cpu with 8G ram etc
[13:40] <hggdh> not stable enough for LTS
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> gnome 3.28.1 rolling out that should be fixing alot of stuff
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> till now i had sluggishness feeling on both xorg & wayland
[14:01] <akem> I have a background script to reload gnome-shell when it takes too much ram.
[14:01] <akem> it get backs to ~170 M after reload.
[14:03] <akem> But it works with Xorg only, cannot reload at runtime on Wayland without loosing the session.
[14:25] <akem> https://github.com/rousselgeoffrey/gnomeShellWorkaround/blob/master/Workaround_gnome-shell-memleak.sh if anyone's interested.
[18:58] <daftykins> BluesKaj: i see you saw emma with the PIA + kubuntu DNS problem, what's the thing that goes wrong where PIA breaks using your own router's DNS even when the VPN is disconnected?
[19:00] <BluesKaj> daftykins, we solved it by editing the nameserver to 127.0.0.53 in /etc/resolv.conf..seems to be default now , i also installed ifupdown for good measure
[19:01] <daftykins> mmm, sounds weird that it was pointing to localhost in resolv.conf - must be a sign of that automagic rubbish 'resolvconf' :) my advice was going to be purge resolvconf and create resolv.conf manually pointing to 8.8.8.8 - but i was making pasta :D
[19:02] <daftykins> she was breaking a cardinal rule and asking in two channels at once
[19:03] <BluesKaj> oh , didn't notice the duplicate chans
[19:04] <daftykins> mmm it's not a #u namespace one though, just a chat one we know her from
[19:05] <BluesKaj> daftykins, yeah I've chatted with her before
[19:06] <TJ-> resolv.conf is a symlink to to /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf, which should be updated by the system's active name resolver. If it's Network Manager, for 16.40 it'll be a private instance of dnsmasq listening on 127.0.1.1. For 17.10+ it'll be systemd-resolved listening on 127.0.0.53
[19:10] <daftykins> TJ-: apparently some PIA app moves resolv.conf to /tmp on connection and messes about, at least that's the idea i got
[19:11] <TJ-> daftykins: it ought not! any VPN should just send new/additional DNS names/IP addresses, same was as it does for routes
[19:11] <TJ-> What do PIA use, isn't it openvpn?
[19:12] <daftykins> not a clue off hand, never used and certainly never used from a desktop Linux :)
[19:17] <BluesKaj> TJ-, yes , openvpn is one of their protocols
[19:17] <leftyfb> daftykins: btw, you should switch out Cloudflare's 1.1.1.1 DNS for google's 8.8.8.8. It's WAY faster and more secure.
[19:20] <daftykins> leftyfb: no, i shouldn't - because i don't own a tinfoil hat
[19:21] <leftyfb> daftykins: neither do I. But the speed made a huge difference for me.
[19:22] <daftykins> i think that'll be down to a lot of factors that'd differ depending where you are - and the speed of connection you're on, etc
[19:22] <daftykins> well not really speed since DNS is just tiny data, but y'know what i mean i'm sure
[19:23] <TJ-> clouflare's anycast network is more extensive that Google's, which is why in most cases it's latency is much lower
[19:24] <daftykins> how about the above 'more secure' claim? :)
[19:24] <TJ-> how much space do you think a basic root file-system container image should require for running bash?
[19:25] <TJ-> daftykins: it's more secure as in cloudfare are not keeping the logs, and aren't using to correlate your IP address and lookups with your Google profile
[19:25] <daftykins> KVM? hmm surely you're only going to stash some utils so a couple of hundred MB?
[19:25] <daftykins> er not kvm the other thing
[19:25] <TJ-> KVM? no not a VM, a container
[19:26] <daftykins> lxd malarkey (:
[19:26] <leftyfb> daftykins: https://www.cloudflare.com/learning/dns/dns-security/
[19:26] <TJ-> 208KB :)
[19:27] <leftyfb> TJ-: so just the kernel and bash? Absolutely nothing else?
[19:27] <TJ-> leftyfb: no kernel, it's a container
[19:27] <leftyfb> oh right
[19:27] <leftyfb> how'd you manage to customize the container down to just basH?
[19:28] <TJ-> leftyfb: I'm working on developing an automated tool to create the smallest secure LXC config possible or any arbitrary executables. Apparently no such thing already exists which seems a great ommission.
[19:28] <daftykins> leftyfb: i know about DNSSec, i don't need a link xD i figured you were just doing the open source fan thing of paranoid delusion over google services, my mistake
[19:28] <leftyfb> TJ-: please share it once done
[19:29] <leftyfb> daftykins: not at all. I use the hell out of google. They've got ALL my data and I don't care one bit
[19:29] <daftykins> :D
[19:29] <TJ-> leftyfb: I'm building a config manually for now to identify the absolute minimum required, so I know what the tool needs to do
[19:30] <leftyfb> I used google's dns since I learned about it years ago ... but after the announcement of Cloudflare's DNS and their anycast stuff, I gave it a try and say a huge improvement in page loads
[19:30] <daftykins> i used to play with OpenDNS for a bit, but i'm on an ISP supplied router atm that you can't change it on, so i got a bit lazy :>
[19:30] <TJ-> leftyfb: neat thing is, not even the bash executable is in the container :D  It's fun stuff once you get a handle on it
[19:31] <daftykins> i was very put off by OpenDNS's page interceptions though
[19:31] <leftyfb> I used opendns as well, but I actually saw the speed degrade over time and even had some issues resolving some things so I went back to google
[19:33] <daftykins> *nod*
[19:33] <BluesKaj> my ISP provides DNS services so i've been using them , but I'll be changing ISPs tomorrow so we'll see haow configurable their Arris DG3260 is
[19:34] <leftyfb> must be nice having the ability to switch ISP's :(
[19:34] <BluesKaj> as lolng as my old cable connection still works :-)
[19:34] <leftyfb> I mean I could if I was excited about DSL :/
[19:35]  * daftykins pats his 60/10 VDSL2 :)
[19:35] <leftyfb> man, how do you deal?
[19:36] <BluesKaj> leftyfb, I've been on dsl for yrs and finally decided to cancel my sat dish service and go with IPTV on the internet instead so i dom ned a larger pipe
[19:36] <BluesKaj> do need
[19:36] <daftykins> 7MB/sec down and 1MB/sec up is ace
[19:36] <leftyfb> yeah, all my tv is streamed ... multiple streaming camera's around my property, smart home stuff, etc
[19:37] <leftyfb> Not to mention, I do have a business leased line because I do my own hosting
[19:38] <BluesKaj> daftykins, that's exactly what I have now , it'll be 100mb down and 8-10mb up tomorrow (I hope)
[19:39] <daftykins> hmm not a huge difference then, if you meant my megabit rates versus my megabyte rates
[19:45] <BluesKaj> ok, didn't notice that :-)
[20:01] <BluesKaj> well, think I'll call i a day here ...take care
[21:42] <slidinghorn> What's the over/under on how many IPs this guy's going to try?
[21:42] <leftyfb> up to 4 now
[21:43] <oerheks> all from neighbours, i guess
[21:43] <slidinghorn> or a VPN with multiple locations
[21:44] <leftyfb> if by neighbors, you mean other countries, sure :)
[21:44] <oerheks> oh i see .. indeed a vpn user
[23:00] <TJ-> Fantastic! working LXC 3.0 container with just bash in it, 156KB whilst running
[23:01] <daftykins> :>