[01:24] good morning to all [01:25] Morning? You must be up super early [01:25] what time is it there? [01:25] you got me through slidinghorn :p [01:26] im early 3h26 [01:26] why are you waking up at 3:25am?? [01:26] im in vacation mode so didnt need much sleep [01:26] i set my buzzer at 3h just to see you guys lol [01:27] well you're in for a disappointing morning! :P [01:27] trolls & naggers again? [01:27] it wouldn't be #ubuntu without them [01:27] lol [01:27] some ppl need proper attention... [01:28] and i never believed in /ignores [01:28] thats like an austrich putting head in the sand [01:30] cool bionic wallpapers added [01:33] https://imgur.com/a/bTtdN [02:58] hey pragmaticenigma [02:58] pragmaticenigma: support slowly &stable [03:02] dunno... been focused on my dev project [03:03] what's up lotuspsychje [03:03] pragmaticenigma: new bionic wall: you like? https://imgur.com/a/bTtdN [03:05] something you made or is that in the collection? [03:05] new wallpapers just added from repo [03:06] looks cool [03:07] yeah they added some nice ones [04:19] morning all [04:21] hey EriC^^ [04:21] hey lotuspsychje [04:21] whats up [04:22] all fine here mate [04:22] reading up some news with coffee [04:23] cool [04:23] i'm trying to remove the hwe package [04:24] installed it yesterday to try to fix the mic not getting picked up, my res is gone from display so i want to remove it [04:30] ouch [04:31] yeah it's messy [04:33] rebooting [04:36] back in business [04:36] :D [04:37] wb [04:37] worked? [04:51] EriC^^: Want my recipe to revert HWE ? [04:56] * slidinghorn just accidentally ended up on a YouTube linux talk show somehow lol [04:57] slidinghorn: Who says there are no happy accidents :) [04:58] I thought I was just joining some kind of chat room for folks watching and next thing I know, my face is on the screen xD [04:58] (good thing I was clothed!) [04:58] slidinghorn: Them sneaky cams ! [05:05] lotuspsychje: yeah [05:05] Bashing-om: thanks, i reverted it using apt/history.log [05:05] EriC^^: You *ARE* good :) [05:06] good ol' 4.4 kernel back running === kallesbar_ is now known as kallesbar [05:07] lotuspsychje: how's the belgium got talent? any good stuff or funny stuff? [05:07] EriC^^: Yepper .... if there is no need, don't HWE :) [05:08] yup, dont do hwe kids should be taught in schools [05:08] :D [06:09] good morning, everyone [06:10] mornin' ducasse [06:10] hi slidinghorn - all well? [06:12] I'm alive and kicking - can't really complain I guess :) [06:23] morning ducasse o/ [06:26] hi EriC^^ - how are you? [06:26] good thanks you? [06:26] yep, all good here. just waking up. [06:28] the snow has finally begun to melt outside, making the grass visible here and there. there's still a ton left, though. [06:29] cool [06:30] I'm in Ohio, so the snow melting is an illusion...it was 70F+ the past couple days, and it's going to snow again tomorrow [06:32] we've had temperatures upward of 15°C here, so i hope there's no more snow coming [10:58] good afternoon guys [12:31] !party [12:31] Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, #edubuntu, and #lubuntu are support channels. To countdown to !bionic release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/3339/ [12:42] Hey folks [12:43] hey BluesKaj afternoon mate [12:43] Hey lotuspsychje, how's it going? [12:43] great here [12:43] very lazy sunday [12:44] hi BluesKaj - all well? [12:45] Hey ducasse , yes, fine here, and you? [12:46] good here, thanks - really warm today [12:47] well, so far the predicted storm hasn't materialized here, just cold and windy [12:49] * BluesKaj keeps fingers crossed [12:51] hey pauljw join the sunday club [12:51] hi lotuspsychje :) [12:51] \o pauljw [12:51] how's your weekend? [12:52] hey ducasse, wet but good. how are you? [12:53] wet but warm :) [12:54] they pronounce summer thuesday in belgium [12:54] :) [12:54] temps around 25c [12:55] hey pauljw [12:55] hi BluesKaj [12:56] my connection is gonna drop for a few mins, connecting up the vpn [12:56] kk [12:56] k [13:00] i don't even bother with vpn at home anymore, lose 50-70% speed. [13:08] new modem should arrive tomorrow, the new ISP 100mb speed is 15X faster than the dsl I'm on now...looking forward to it, altho i heard yesterday that throttling is used during heavy traffic hours [13:09] i'm so jealous!! [13:11] pauljw, I'm paying a much higher price for it tho [13:13] no doubt, but if i could get that sort of service, i could drop directv and more than make up for additional costs. :) [13:15] $80CDN ...equivalent to $65US...yeah I dropped Bell sat service to justify the additional costs ... most of the shows I watch are availble on"IPTV"anyway [13:19] * BluesKaj is a bit of a newshound and all "the biggies" have live streams now [13:21] :D [13:24] for example.was watch Russia Today yesterday. They aren't egven subtle about their anti-western slant on the news. It's really quite.funny [13:24] watching [13:25] :) [13:29] !info gnome-shell bionic [13:29] gnome-shell (source: gnome-shell): graphical shell for the GNOME desktop. In component main, is optional. Version 3.28.0-0ubuntu5 (bionic), package size 675 kB, installed size 7395 kB [13:38] lotuspsychje, did Ubuntu drop Wayland as the default window system for Bionic or was that just a rumour aboutr Wayland becoming the default [13:38] BluesKaj: we had users reporting that new too, prob spam [13:39] ok [13:39] BluesKaj: bionic has now xorg by default, wayland still choosable [13:39] right' [13:39] i dont think after all the hard work on wayland they would drop [13:39] it is just not the default [13:40] tried wayland on fedora 26 on the laptop , it was ok , but seemed sluggish on an i3 cpu with 8G ram etc [13:40] not stable enough for LTS [13:48] gnome 3.28.1 rolling out that should be fixing alot of stuff [13:49] till now i had sluggishness feeling on both xorg & wayland [14:01] I have a background script to reload gnome-shell when it takes too much ram. [14:01] it get backs to ~170 M after reload. [14:03] But it works with Xorg only, cannot reload at runtime on Wayland without loosing the session. [14:25] https://github.com/rousselgeoffrey/gnomeShellWorkaround/blob/master/Workaround_gnome-shell-memleak.sh if anyone's interested. === czesmir_ is now known as czesmir [18:58] BluesKaj: i see you saw emma with the PIA + kubuntu DNS problem, what's the thing that goes wrong where PIA breaks using your own router's DNS even when the VPN is disconnected? [19:00] daftykins, we solved it by editing the nameserver to 127.0.0.53 in /etc/resolv.conf..seems to be default now , i also installed ifupdown for good measure [19:01] mmm, sounds weird that it was pointing to localhost in resolv.conf - must be a sign of that automagic rubbish 'resolvconf' :) my advice was going to be purge resolvconf and create resolv.conf manually pointing to 8.8.8.8 - but i was making pasta :D [19:02] she was breaking a cardinal rule and asking in two channels at once [19:03] oh , didn't notice the duplicate chans [19:04] mmm it's not a #u namespace one though, just a chat one we know her from [19:05] daftykins, yeah I've chatted with her before [19:06] resolv.conf is a symlink to to /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf, which should be updated by the system's active name resolver. If it's Network Manager, for 16.40 it'll be a private instance of dnsmasq listening on 127.0.1.1. For 17.10+ it'll be systemd-resolved listening on 127.0.0.53 [19:10] TJ-: apparently some PIA app moves resolv.conf to /tmp on connection and messes about, at least that's the idea i got [19:11] daftykins: it ought not! any VPN should just send new/additional DNS names/IP addresses, same was as it does for routes [19:11] What do PIA use, isn't it openvpn? [19:12] not a clue off hand, never used and certainly never used from a desktop Linux :) [19:17] TJ-, yes , openvpn is one of their protocols [19:17] daftykins: btw, you should switch out Cloudflare's 1.1.1.1 DNS for google's 8.8.8.8. It's WAY faster and more secure. [19:20] leftyfb: no, i shouldn't - because i don't own a tinfoil hat [19:21] daftykins: neither do I. But the speed made a huge difference for me. [19:22] i think that'll be down to a lot of factors that'd differ depending where you are - and the speed of connection you're on, etc [19:22] well not really speed since DNS is just tiny data, but y'know what i mean i'm sure [19:23] clouflare's anycast network is more extensive that Google's, which is why in most cases it's latency is much lower [19:24] how about the above 'more secure' claim? :) [19:24] how much space do you think a basic root file-system container image should require for running bash? [19:25] daftykins: it's more secure as in cloudfare are not keeping the logs, and aren't using to correlate your IP address and lookups with your Google profile [19:25] KVM? hmm surely you're only going to stash some utils so a couple of hundred MB? [19:25] er not kvm the other thing [19:25] KVM? no not a VM, a container [19:26] lxd malarkey (: [19:26] daftykins: https://www.cloudflare.com/learning/dns/dns-security/ [19:26] 208KB :) [19:27] TJ-: so just the kernel and bash? Absolutely nothing else? [19:27] leftyfb: no kernel, it's a container [19:27] oh right [19:27] how'd you manage to customize the container down to just basH? [19:28] leftyfb: I'm working on developing an automated tool to create the smallest secure LXC config possible or any arbitrary executables. Apparently no such thing already exists which seems a great ommission. [19:28] leftyfb: i know about DNSSec, i don't need a link xD i figured you were just doing the open source fan thing of paranoid delusion over google services, my mistake [19:28] TJ-: please share it once done [19:29] daftykins: not at all. I use the hell out of google. They've got ALL my data and I don't care one bit [19:29] :D [19:29] leftyfb: I'm building a config manually for now to identify the absolute minimum required, so I know what the tool needs to do [19:30] I used google's dns since I learned about it years ago ... but after the announcement of Cloudflare's DNS and their anycast stuff, I gave it a try and say a huge improvement in page loads [19:30] i used to play with OpenDNS for a bit, but i'm on an ISP supplied router atm that you can't change it on, so i got a bit lazy :> [19:30] leftyfb: neat thing is, not even the bash executable is in the container :D It's fun stuff once you get a handle on it [19:31] i was very put off by OpenDNS's page interceptions though [19:31] I used opendns as well, but I actually saw the speed degrade over time and even had some issues resolving some things so I went back to google [19:33] *nod* [19:33] my ISP provides DNS services so i've been using them , but I'll be changing ISPs tomorrow so we'll see haow configurable their Arris DG3260 is [19:34] must be nice having the ability to switch ISP's :( [19:34] as lolng as my old cable connection still works :-) [19:34] I mean I could if I was excited about DSL :/ [19:35] * daftykins pats his 60/10 VDSL2 :) [19:35] man, how do you deal? [19:36] leftyfb, I've been on dsl for yrs and finally decided to cancel my sat dish service and go with IPTV on the internet instead so i dom ned a larger pipe [19:36] do need [19:36] 7MB/sec down and 1MB/sec up is ace [19:36] yeah, all my tv is streamed ... multiple streaming camera's around my property, smart home stuff, etc [19:37] Not to mention, I do have a business leased line because I do my own hosting [19:38] daftykins, that's exactly what I have now , it'll be 100mb down and 8-10mb up tomorrow (I hope) [19:39] hmm not a huge difference then, if you meant my megabit rates versus my megabyte rates [19:45] ok, didn't notice that :-) [20:01] well, think I'll call i a day here ...take care === JanC_ is now known as JanC [21:42] What's the over/under on how many IPs this guy's going to try? [21:42] up to 4 now [21:43] all from neighbours, i guess [21:43] or a VPN with multiple locations [21:44] if by neighbors, you mean other countries, sure :) [21:44] oh i see .. indeed a vpn user [23:00] Fantastic! working LXC 3.0 container with just bash in it, 156KB whilst running [23:01] :>