[00:19] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, some sections say the do not need summaries so the link is all that is needed in those sections
[00:29] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Yeah, I do see that ^ .. Lyz's documetary is going to take a while to get through . a long one - gimme some time to do it up properly.
[00:30] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, we are in the same boat, time is what we need
[00:36] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: The stress is not helpful to me quitting smoking :P
[00:37] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, oh no!
[00:46] <krytarik> tsimonq2: Having started reading the scrollback right now, yes I looked at the Community Hub too in this context, but since the result came up rather duplicating of what we probably got elsewhere in the various sections anyway, I didn't feel like even mentioning it: https://community.ubuntu.com/top/weekly.json
[00:52] <krytarik> Fwiw, the equivalent on the website is: https://community.ubuntu.com/top/weekly
[00:55] <krytarik> And UTC+2 here currently.
[00:58] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Ubder the Planet is a podcast .. no audio on this work station .. can not do a summary on that .
[01:01] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: ^^ and I do not see how the Fukushima disaster applies to ubuntu ??
[01:04] <tsimonq2> krytarik: Ah, I always thought you were Canadian. Cool.
[01:15] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, in reference to the podcast link I do not believe sound is needed, right under the picture on that page is a short sentence describing the podcast we just need a short sentence like that
[01:16] <Wild_Man> tsimonq2, from the planet do all material from there have to also be strictly ubuntu related?
[01:16] <tsimonq2> Wild_Man: Yes.
[01:16] <tsimonq2> I mean, generally Ubuntu-related.
[01:17] <Wild_Man> okay thanks tsimonq2
[01:25] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Not that I want to be hard to get along with - but, the  Ubuntu Podcast! from my perspective and ability there is not enough I can do with it to make it meaningful .
[01:29] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, okay no problem
[01:38] <krytarik> https://community.ubuntu.com/t/volunteers-wanted-for-desktop-bugs/4469/4 - seeing links like this, I'll mention that we want the canonical form of those, the trailing number after the thread ID at the end refers to a specific post in the thread - and as I see, there is one such occurrence in the Google Doc already.  And also, I see more occurrences of e.g. "[01:38] <krytarik> ... spaces between the header name and the '[01:39] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: In that respect is that someone else does the summary ..or remove the link ... yes ?
[01:40] <Bashing-om> krytarik: I did remark that I had to learn markup .. reader beware !
[01:41] <krytarik> While you mostly won't need it, a general overview on it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnMoinWikiSyntax
[01:46] <Wild_Man> Right now I am busy putting in all the summary writers email addresses so I can email them this is just so you all know I did not disappear
[01:55] <krytarik> I swear, the Planet could use an excerpt feature on both the website and the feed.. >_>
[02:03] <Wild_Man> I agree
[02:09] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: krytarik :: Yuk I am useless attempting to fix "The Hub" as a 1st level header (??) and I have no idea of what to do .
[02:16] <Wild_Man> When sending to many email recipients using bcc I can have them all on the same line correct and they will still be hidden from the other recipients?
[02:18] <Wild_Man> krytarik, do you know anything about what I asked above^^^
[02:26] <krytarik> Yes, and of course.
[02:26] <krytarik> Wait, what exactly do you mean by "on the same line"?
[02:26] <Wild_Man> Thanks krytarik that is what I figured but I have never had a reason to email more then one person before
[02:28] <Wild_Man> I clicked on To then BCC and added all the email addresses on the same line separated by commas
[02:28] <Wild_Man> I am using thunderbird
[02:30] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Fixed, also I'm more found of expanding the header name to "Community Hub"
[02:31] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, it looks like it has already been removed and that is okay with me
[02:32] <Wild_Man> krytarik, that looks better and is more descriptive
[02:32] <Wild_Man> I am going to finish the email and see how many people are still active as writers
[02:32] <Bashing-om> krytarik: +1 on Communtity Hub .
[02:32] <krytarik> Wild_Man: Yes, that's what I feared - as you know, I also use Thunderbird here, and there every recipient gets its own line.
[02:33] <krytarik> ..Ah ok, might be different for groups then.
[02:37] <krytarik> Also, looking more at the Hub section, as well as elsewhere previously, the header should always reflect the title of the linked page.
[02:39] <Wild_Man> krytarik, under Weekly Ubuntu Engineering Team Meetings I replaced the first link for servers and it does not have the line under it and is not clickable can you tell me what I did?
[02:40] <Wild_Man> krytarik, never mind I got it
[02:40] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Uh huh .. That one still was unfinished ( but not forgotten ) .. As it pertains to our Lyz .. excessive care is in order :)
[02:42] <Bashing-om> krytarik: http://www.techdrivein.com/2016/09/bing-wallpapers-for-linux-ubuntu1604.html does not appear as a hper link in the document . As well as at least one other . How did I mess that up ?
[02:47] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, you have to hit return and enter a space between it and the line below then you can backspace and it will be a hyperlink
[02:48] <Bashing-om> wi
[02:48] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: I try :)
[02:49] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Beats me .. I added another nl and it did work .. removed the additional nl and still good .
[02:51] <krytarik> Well tbh, I also just wondered whether we want the links in the doc to just be a) plain, e.g. by simply pasting, or b) that fancy style where you can actually click them - as the latter also disguises the potentially different actual address (which I've just fixed a few mismatches on too), and none of the docs' formatting is copied over to the wiki page eventually, I think plain would be ...
[02:51] <krytarik> ... easiest and best.
[02:56] <krytarik> And more regarding the Hub section, while I've just fixed up the links irt the above there, and looked up the one for the Ask Ubuntu entry there that was missing both the link and a header - I think referring to non-news items like everything on  https://community.ubuntu.com/c/documentation/contribute  doesn't make much sense anyway.
[02:56] <Bashing-om> krytarik: I am all for the easy way :) With this our presentation to the world in mind .
[02:58] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Looking for the Ask Ubuntu entry - to correct .
[02:59] <krytarik> Well, I just killed all of the three there. :P
[03:03] <Wild_Man> I asked about it earlier the reply I received was basically he had no preference with what we post from the hub, I personally think that the different was to contribute is important to the community because as a whole there is never enough volunteers and since it is the ubuntu community I believe it is on topic just my opinion
[03:03] <Wild_Man> was/ways
[03:04] <Bashing-om> krytarik: When you are good ... You ARE good :P
[03:04] <Wild_Man> yes from a tech stand point it does not belong but by that thinking it should not be on the hub
[03:05] <krytarik> https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/ut-tweak-tool-109 - also, I'm not sure what this is really, a blog post? or just like an app store entry?..
[03:06] <tsimonq2> A review of an app? :)
[03:06] <tsimonq2> I'd include it, but that's me.
[03:06] <krytarik> But there is no post author! :P
[03:07] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[03:07] <krytarik> Or in fact, date.
[03:07] <Bashing-om> krytarik: We are moving to mobile devices .. maybe we consider adding a new item ?
[03:09] <tsimonq2> So I've been a bit out of the loop... where are y'all at? Can I go through and do intense grammar, punctuation, and convention corrections yet? ;)
[03:09] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Well, it's already there, I'm just trying to fix up its summary - because what's currently quoted there as Stefano (the app author) saying, isn't actually from him but the unnamed post author.
[03:10] <Wild_Man> krytarik, that is what I was just going to say
[03:11] <Wild_Man> tsimonq2, should I ask for summary writers since most or all of them are done? or just email them and ask for a roll call for next week?
[03:12] <tsimonq2> Wild_Man: The latter.
[03:12] <Wild_Man> tsimonq2, that was my thought but wanted to make sure, thanks
[03:12] <krytarik> Wild_Man: And well, I've found the Hub to be a weird mix of threads and more static content like the mentioned indeed - and while I'd certainly link the first, not the latter.
[03:14] <Wild_Man> krytarik, okay
[03:15] <tsimonq2> One thing I would encourage y'all to do is look at the past UWNs for how e.g. the Final Beta announcements are written.
[03:16] <tsimonq2> For those types of things, we usually keep a general format.
[03:18] <Bashing-om> tsimonq2: Good to keep in mind :) .. I do have a couple of back issues bookmarked .
[03:25] <Bashing-om> I am apprehensive over Lyz's artical in that the summary is so short as compared to other summaries :(
[03:30] <krytarik> Tbh, it would be nice to have other summary writers look over this one as well.. >_>
[03:31] <krytarik> Like the "Linux is under your hood" one - someone wrote much. :D
[03:31] <tsimonq2> I can critically go through and polish, just say the word. ;)
[03:32] <Bashing-om> krytarik: A lot in the article and only a small amount actually pertains to ubuntu .
[03:33] <Bashing-om> ^ lyz's I mean :)
[03:33] <Wild_Man> I just sent the email I received an auto treply from one that said out of office and to send email to another address but it is a business address so I am not sure about that
[03:33] <krytarik> tsimonq2: Word!  So far, I've just been looking here and there where I noticed things myself..
[03:33] <Wild_Man> darn typos
[03:34] <tsimonq2> krytarik: OK :)
[03:34] <tsimonq2> pleia2 also might want to, but do keep in mind that I've done issues (very few, thanks to guiverc!) by myself before. ;)
[03:34] <Wild_Man> My eyes need a break and my wife needs attention she is out of town all week every week and only home on the weekend so I am done for the night
[03:34]  * tsimonq2 cracks knuckles
[03:34] <tsimonq2> o/ Wild_Man
[03:35] <Wild_Man> I will let you know how the roll call goes
[03:38] <krytarik> Also, I'm entirely unclear where the Studio article came from, it's not even current.. O_o
[03:39] <krytarik> I mean that's like 3 years old.
[03:39] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Ouch ! .. I sure missed that up ! leadership change ?
[03:39] <krytarik> The last entry on the linked blog, the referenced news is 5 years old.
[03:41] <krytarik> In fact, the new leader that's announced there, isn't even leader for like 2 years anymore now.
[03:41] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Yikes .. Yeah I did .. removing at this time .. what a waste of precious time !
[03:42] <krytarik> I'm glad I spotted this, because this wouldn't do any good to the Studio community in its current state..
[03:43] <tsimonq2> Y'all see how I formatted the Final Beta announcement?
[03:43] <Bashing-om> krytarik: +10 ! or our image to the world either .
[03:44] <krytarik> When you guys mentioned it earlier, I assumed it might be about another change in leadership that's not even done yet.
[03:44] <Bashing-om> krytarik: All I can say is my haste made the waste .
[03:45] <tsimonq2> Final Beta announcement> Specifically, I target the following when I do these: Who wrote the email? On behalf of who? What's the announcement? What's the gist of the email? Link? What about flavors?
[03:45] <tsimonq2> krytarik: Ubuntu Studio leadership has changed, yeah.
[03:45] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Well, it's ok now, still wonder where it came from though..
[03:46] <krytarik> tsimonq2: Not quite socially nor officially yet though - I know because I'm part of the team.
[03:47] <tsimonq2> krytarik: Ah ok.
[03:47] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Do not recall now where I picked up such an old blog . The blame is on me .
[03:48] <krytarik> And just looking at the Contributors list, I've wondered earlier already, has it been or should it be sorted alphabetically?
[03:48] <tsimonq2> krytarik: It doesn't matter.
[03:49] <tsimonq2> In practice, it seems unspoken that it's chronological, though.
[03:49] <krytarik> Yeah, figured just append as one comes to edit things.
[03:49] <tsimonq2> Right.
[03:50] <tsimonq2> Although the principle editor usually gets the top slot.
[03:54] <krytarik> Wild_Man, Bashing-om: I figure either of you did the "Linux is under your hood" summary - please revise, it's just a little too much to go through for me right now. >_>
[03:56] <Bashing-om> krytarik: On it .
[04:05] <krytarik> While I'm working my way back up from the bottom currently, any more actual news threads to be added to the Hub section?
[04:09] <krytarik> And "That Huge GNOME Shell Memory Leak?" one appears rather misplaced in the General News section - moving down to Other Community, I guess.
[04:17] <krytarik> http://www.techdrivein.com/2016/09/bing-wallpapers-for-linux-ubuntu1604.html - eh, the link kind of gives away that it's not particularly current either, doesn't it? >_>
[04:28] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Just shorten it to like three sentences as usual without giving too much detailed info and be done. :)
[04:36] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Done ,, wanted it more directed to ubuntu rather than generally linux .
[04:37] <krytarik> https://community.ubuntu.com/t/volunteers-wanted-for-desktop-bugs/4469 - and this particular thread is from a month ago, so I guess we'll just drop the Hub section entirely for this issue.
[04:43] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Reads nice now - and edited a little. :)
[04:48] <Bashing-om> krytarik: As your experience thinks best .. We do want current for sure .. but sure need content too .
[04:48] <krytarik> Also, since I now find myself having to align your somewhat creative punctuation style to be more common, please support me by e.g. dropping the use of extra spaces before periods at sentence end. :)
[04:49] <tsimonq2> krytarik: Lyz and I disagree on this, but I'm pro-Oxford comma. ;)
[04:49] <Bashing-om> krytarik: K; will try and pay the more attention .. Habits hard to break ,, huh ?
[04:50] <krytarik> tsimonq2: Heh, I can live with either, but generally apply what makes the sentence read best in the context. :P
[04:51] <krytarik> And I mean comma use generally by that.
[04:52] <Bashing-om> krytarik: A comma means a pause .. and there are the times a pause is not wanted .
[04:53] <krytarik> Yes, indeed - and there are times where it makes the particular bit of a sentence better readable.
[05:00] <krytarik> And wrt the link formatting in the doc, the fancy style actually makes them better recognizable and so the doc overall better readable - but then one has to pay extra attention at creating them, so that the link name (that is shown) and the target are the same.
[05:03] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Mercy .. as my learning curve is not steep enough :D
[05:04] <tsimonq2> krytarik: Have you gone through an editoral sweep yet?
[05:04] <tsimonq2> *editorial
[05:05] <tsimonq2> I'll do a sweep after you.
[05:05] <krytarik> And I think I'm gonna drop LoCo News from the doc, since that's actually generated automatically later too.
[05:06] <krytarik> tsimonq2: Yes, I think it's pretty fine now.
[05:06] <tsimonq2> OK.
[05:07] <krytarik> Oh, "LoCo News" vs "LoCo Events" - nvm then.. >_>
[05:09] <tsimonq2> Yeah, I'd be lying if I said that's never confused me before...
[05:09] <krytarik> Hahaha. :D
[05:10] <tsimonq2> "To foster the assurance"
[05:10] <tsimonq2> That wording is kinda weird.
[05:11] <tsimonq2> Protip for the future: the DMB vacant spot announcement should be a bit more verbose. A short desc on what the DMB actually is might do it some justice.
[05:12] <Bashing-om> tsimonq2: I got no hearburn to see if I can flesh it out some .
[05:14] <tsimonq2> Bashing-om: I don't quite understand you, sorry.
[05:16] <Wild_Man> I am following the conversation but that is all I can do right now
[05:17] <Bashing-om> tsimonq2: I was to make the addition to DMB, but you got it .
[05:18] <tsimonq2> So some constructive criticism on the summary for Lyz's blog post; it sort of focuses on her points rather than summarizing her blog post, if you get what I mean. Does anyone want to take a shot at modifying it?
[05:18] <tsimonq2> (Summary writing takes a few weeks to get down; it's a bit of a unique format that you can really only gain from experience.)
[05:18] <tsimonq2> So I don't blame anyone if the summaries aren't quite there yet. :)
[05:21] <tsimonq2> The summary for the Launchpad post is a bit short; someone might want to at least summarize what it was all about.
[05:22] <tsimonq2> Same thing with didrocks' article as with Lyz's. It focuses on the points a bit much without a wider view.
[05:22] <tsimonq2> I don't have the brain power to revise all of thest tonight still, so I'll leave them to y'all, but great job so far. :)
[05:23] <Bashing-om> tsimonq2: Think that was my 2nd stab at Lyz's article - Good article but not a lot directed at ubuntu .
[05:24] <tsimonq2> s/thest/these/
[05:24] <tsimonq2> Bashing-om: ack
[05:34] <Bashing-om> tsimonq2: Lyz: I too thought there was a need to shine more light - somehow - on her and what she is doing .
[05:35] <tsimonq2> Bashing-om: And that's fine, but it just doesn't fit the usual format, that's all. :)
[05:54] <krytarik> For the one who is going to create the wiki page based on the template later, please update the latter with these changes as you go, thanks!.. >_> - http://paste.openstack.org/show/yZpCHjbHYFZxLZafss7o/
[05:55] <krytarik> Wild_Man: Also, didn't you say you found a podcast in the Planet feed..?
[05:59] <Wild_Man> krytarik, yes someone removed it
[06:00] <krytarik> Well, wasn't me for sure.. >_>
[06:00] <Wild_Man> http://ubuntupodcast.org/2018/04/12/s11e06-six-feet-over-it/
[06:01] <krytarik> Yeah, that stuff - and they usually just quote the intro.
[06:01] <Wild_Man> Alan Pope is in it
[06:10] <krytarik> Added.
[06:13] <Bashing-om> I be attenpting to rework Lyz's summary should I continue ?
[06:14] <krytarik> Yes plz, and the LP one.
[06:16] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Tryng .. Liz is a tough act to foll0w :) That article is well written .
[06:52] <Bashing-om> krytarik: See what now you think of Elizabeth
[06:53] <Bashing-om> s summary.
[06:53] <krytarik> Ok, sec.
[06:53] <krytarik> "Bit too much." :D
[07:01] <Bashing-om> Oh Man :)
[07:06] <Bashing-om> krytarik: I am too far gone to think .. how bout I take abother crack at it in my Morning ?
[07:09] <krytarik> Yeah, just thought of mentioning, it's barely Sunday morning yet - so we still got time to work on those three summaries.
[07:15] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Will give it some thought as " with talks ranging from XXX to YYYY encompassing  ZZZZ" to cut it down to size.
[07:19] <Bashing-om> and it is past time to get some of those ZZzzzs \o all.
[11:41] <krytarik> Got in to the wiki and updated the template with said changes myself.
[15:17] <pleia2> I didn't write any summaries, I just moved some stuff around :)
[16:15] <krytarik> I pretty much did the same, plus a bit editing. :P
[16:23] <krytarik> (..Ok, that's probably a bit of an understatement for like 7 hours of work.)
[16:52] <pleia2> it's always a fair amount of work, but as I'm sure you expect, you get more efficient at it over time :)
[17:06] <krytarik> Yeep, and also once the groundwork of changes you find necessary immediately is done.
[17:35] <Bashing-om> krytarik: OK. Lyz's summary is redone . Which is the next to focus on editing ?
[17:37] <krytarik> Simon also mentioned Didier's post in the same breath, and then the LP one too - a bit more to write there.
[17:38] <Bashing-om> krytarik: ack
[17:50] <Wild_Man> so far I have received to replies back and both said they are still going to help with writing summaries the first person said he is better at editing though
[17:53] <krytarik> Well yes, we can't all write summaries, some have got to fill other roles too! :P
[17:53] <Wild_Man> Indeed, but he is on the summary writing email list
[17:53] <krytarik> lol
[17:54] <krytarik> Then pull him off there!
[17:54] <Wild_Man> he said he will do both
[17:54] <krytarik> Ah, better at != will only do this.
[17:55] <Wild_Man> it is a long list so hopefully more replies will come in
[17:56] <Wild_Man> I think I am best at find material and I am sure I can learn to publish to all the places
[17:57] <Wild_Man> krytarik, the askubuntu stats are they added before it is placed on the wiki or after?
[17:58] <krytarik> Wild_Man: Yes, it would be cool if you could do the social media bits, since you are already familiar with it from the forums.
[17:58] <Wild_Man> I will once I have access to the accounts
[17:58] <krytarik> Well, either of the generated things won't be put in the Google Doc anyway.
[17:59] <Wild_Man> publishing to the wiki is probably the most time consuming
[17:59] <Wild_Man> that is what I thought but I wanted to make sure
[18:07] <krytarik> Well, 1.) I don't think that's really true, and 2.) I've already put myself down for that plus the Fridge post I've already got access to generally - but which doesn't seem to work ootb as usual yet. >_>
[18:08] <krytarik> And you'd be doing the post to the forums, of course. :)
[18:08] <pleia2> summary writing is the most time-consuming thing and the hardest thing to get contributors for, that's always been our weak point when the newsletter fails to get published
[18:09] <krytarik> Yes, I quite agree.
[18:09] <pleia2> I sent out a GDoc Survey a while back to all the summary writers on the email list to find out why they weren't contributing and/or what we could do better, I think 2 replied to it?
[18:12] <Wild_Man> when I said publishing to the wiki is the most time consuming I meant only in the context of publishing, I think publishing to the other sites will be quick in comparison
[18:14] <Wild_Man> I only have two replies so far to the roll call I sent out
[18:14] <krytarik> Yes, and I still disagree. :)  Depends on the skill set of the person doing it, of course.
[18:15] <Wild_Man> In my case it is true let me put it that way I can do wiki's but I do not do them often
[18:16] <krytarik> Well, heck I don't do it often either, but I'm accustomed with the syntax. >_>
[18:18] <pleia2> once I got good, it took me about 20 minutes to do a release
[18:19] <Wild_Man> Mainly the only thing that gives me trouble sometimes I have an issue because it will not do what it is supposed to do because it is glitchy
[18:19] <pleia2> but the wiki is done before release, so that'a ssuming it's prepped already
[18:20] <Wild_Man> pleia2, the directions to contributors that where put in the gdoc are they stored in a link somewhere?
[18:20] <pleia2> hm?
[18:21] <pleia2> they are just in the gdoc
[18:22] <Wild_Man> okay I was hoping to store them to my computer but some of them I believe have already been removed
[18:23] <pleia2> you could just download it
[18:23] <pleia2> but we kept it in a google doc since several people have access to it to add new contributors and such, so it's the source of truth when you go to email people
[18:24] <Wild_Man> okay
[18:25] <pleia2> (and they trust us with their email addresses, so that bit can't be fully public)
[18:27] <Bashing-om> gdoc went to blank .. log out and back in to retore ?
[18:27] <pleia2> which one?
[18:28] <Wild_Man> right, I have not keep them to myself
[18:28] <Bashing-om> pleia2: I mean that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue488 is now a blank slate .
[18:29] <pleia2> hmm, the summary document is empty now too :()
[18:29] <pleia2> I can revert that
[18:29] <Bashing-om> opps ,, wrong link..https://docs.google.com/document/d/18ZbtFHQq6uMj7iuRLd11VH8V5Uc_FA0IfgiRUcbMbQk/edit .
[18:30] <pleia2> that one is open to the public, so sometimes you end up with spammers/bad guys, it's usual though
[18:30] <krytarik> Just when I was thinking about the unhindered access from literally anyone on the planet to it. >_>
[18:30] <pleia2> gdocs is so slow
[18:30] <pleia2> krytarik: the one with all summary writers email addresses?
[18:30] <krytarik> No, I haven't actually seen that myself yet - I mean the issue one.
[18:31] <Wild_Man> pleia2, I am
[18:31] <pleia2> krytarik: oh, that one DOES have access to everyone on the planet
[18:32] <pleia2> trying to revert the deletion now, it's just slow
[18:33] <krytarik> Yes, and keep on thinking about it if that's actually such a good idea - and whether we also could just use Ubuntu's Etherpad instance for this.
[18:33] <Wild_Man> let us know you you revert the changes please
[18:33] <pleia2> krytarik: since the Ubuntu etherpad is locked down to only people in the LP group, a lot of people struggled to participate, Google Docs does perserve all history so this deletion by a bad guy is not the end of the world ;) and it's rare
[18:34] <krytarik> Also wrt the resource hoggyness/slowness of Google Docs you seem to be experiencing too.
[18:34] <pleia2> (the etherpad is also slower for most people)
[18:34] <pleia2> slowness only happens because it has a long edit history, this would be worse on an etherpad of this age
[18:35] <krytarik> Yeah, but changes might not always be so obvious like in this case..
[18:35] <pleia2> we could move to a fresh google doc that spammers don't know about yet, and has a shorter history, and update our links everywhere
[18:37] <pleia2> it doesn't look like it, but has anyone here been editing the google doc in the past 10 hours?
[18:37] <krytarik> And yeah, in the context of Etherpad, I've wondered how many of the currently enlisted contributors would have access to it already.
[18:37] <krytarik> Me not.
[18:38] <pleia2> you're welcome to try using the etherpad again, we just had a bad time with it when we tried last time
[18:39] <pleia2> anyway, the google doc is restored now
[18:42] <Bashing-om> pleia2: :) .. back to work .
[18:46] <Bashing-om> Ouch lost my new edits to the Didier summary .. Pain to re-think again what I had done .
[18:46] <krytarik> Another option that might work out better of course, would be to just make the Google Doc restricted to a list of people.  And also, I remember Etherpad to be rather on the losing side wrt to formatting - if indeed anything is possible there. :P
[18:47] <pleia2> odd, I didn't see any saved edits from today, just the spammer deleting the doc and replacing it with "cc"
[18:48] <pleia2> krytarik: yeah, since getting anyone to write summary writers at all is such a challenge, we went the way of making it as easy as possible for anyone ever to contribute, even putting in a barrier of having to get a google account and log in with it was a problem x_x
[18:49] <krytarik> Yeah, I was just thinking if nowadays you really still need a Google account for this even.
[18:49] <pleia2> but I guess if someone really wants to contribute, and is willing to do it long term, maybe we can allow anonymous people to "suggest edits" rather than make them?
[18:49] <pleia2> and they can reach out to us once they're really interested in writing directly as an editor
[18:50] <krytarik> That sounds rather cumbersome.. :P
[18:51] <krytarik> I mean not sure if there is a technical feature allowing that.
[18:51] <pleia2> I mean, the process would be: contact the team if you want edit access, if not all you get to do is "suggest edits"
[18:51] <krytarik> Yeah, but is that a technical option?
[18:52] <krytarik> Like you are shown the suggestion and offered to take it over or not?
[18:53] <pleia2> there is a "can comment" option, digging into the suggested edits bit
[18:54] <pleia2> Yep, the "can comment" option gives you Suggestion power
[18:54] <pleia2> so it looks like this: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_C6nnRr3Gx1tY1klJs5PbKwY81Di19w9rw-MV4yka-E/edit
[18:54] <pleia2> that's a copy of the gdoc I just made, giving anonymous people "can comment" access, and my anonymous user just made a suggestion
[18:55] <pleia2> so I'd suggest giving anyone who asks edit access with their google account, but if they can't be bothered, they can still make suggestions even without a google account
[18:56] <krytarik> Hmm, I'm not so fond of this yet.. :P
[18:57] <pleia2> ok, just sharing an option that keeps it locked down, but still open to anonymous good guys
[18:57] <pleia2> with this, all a bad guy can do is suggest to delete the whole page, not actually do it
[18:59] <Wild_Man> bia I need to boot my other system
[18:59] <Wild_Man> biab
[18:59] <krytarik> I mean particularly in the way of noticing what has been edited - but I see it depends on the color the user was attributed to.. :P
[19:00] <pleia2> I still suspect anonymous edits will be rare
[19:00] <pleia2> everyone here would still edit in the same way as usual, since we'd add their google accounts to the doc
[19:02] <Bashing-om> Oh my ! Also looking and the remake of Lyz's article has also been reverted to what was .. will return to it soonest and re-redo .
[19:03] <pleia2> I never wrote a summary
[19:03] <pleia2> I just moved some content around ;)
[19:03] <pleia2> so it's probably someone else's that I just moved
[19:04] <Bashing-om> pleia2: What is present nopw in Lyz's summary is what was .. I had made it up much neater as krytarik had requested .
[19:04] <pleia2> (I am Lyz, in case that wasn't obvious)
[19:05] <pleia2> but I'm sorry your changes were lost :(
[19:05] <Bashing-om> pleia2: Nope .. I did not know the 2 were one . Hi ! ( now do I feel foolish ) ..
[19:06] <pleia2> hehe, hi
[19:18] <krytarik> I think Bashing-om might be working in a local text editor for now.. :D
[19:20] <krytarik> Also, I thought anybody of us could see the history and rewind it if necessary, but it seems not?
[19:21] <pleia2> anyone who has their account added to the google doc
[19:22] <pleia2> can PM your google account email address to me and I can add whoever needs to be
[19:24] <oerheks> pm oerheks@ubuntu.com
[19:24] <oerheks> ooops
[19:24] <oerheks> :-D
[19:25] <krytarik> "Note: If you share with an email address that isn’t a Google Account, they’ll only be able to view the file." - hehe, so naah.. :D
[19:25] <pleia2> yeah, it does need to be a google account
[19:26] <krytarik> Yeah, I only now got to looking it up.
[19:27] <krytarik> I mean click the proper link in DuckDuckGo after having initiated the search earlier already. :P
[19:37] <krytarik> Bashing-om: You lost the link on Didier's post too btw. :P
[19:39] <krytarik> tsimonq2: Oh no, Pop!_OS is being mentioned! :P
[19:40] <tsimonq2> krytarik: You mean P!!_!_!_@#_@!__!_@_!_!o!P!_!POSOSOSs
[19:41]  * tsimonq2 is kidding ;)
[19:41] <krytarik> Yes!  That! :D
[19:54] <pleia2> stepping away for a bit, have fun
[20:01] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Well .. I think I can get the Didfier's link back . Struggling to get Lyz's summary back as I had it edited . Sheeshh .
[20:04] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Link restored :)
[20:05] <krytarik> Yep, just saw it pop up in front of me.. :P
[21:03] <Bashing-om> OK, 3 edits to the summaries done . next ?
[21:06]  * tsimonq2 does another sweep.
[21:07] <tsimonq2> krytarik, Bashing-om: tsimonq2@u.c is associated with my Google account, please add me as an editor.
[21:08] <krytarik> Oki, lemme log in first!.. :P
[21:09] <Bashing-om> krytarik: A pm for my E-mail address ?
[21:10] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Sure, and you don't have to ask of course.. :)
[21:12] <Bashing-om> krytarik: You be so busy and all - would not want that I intrude :)
[21:16]  * tsimonq2 doesn't get why people ask to PM; JFDI. ;)
[21:25] <krytarik> So can we (half)close the doc yet?  Just invited Wild_Man too on the address I know.
[21:28] <krytarik> (Done..)
[21:33] <Wild_Man> krytarik, are you going to publish the letter to Google+ and the M/L? or do you want me to do that?
[21:34] <Wild_Man> We now have 3 people saying they will help with the summary writing
[21:35] <krytarik> Well, right now I can't do anything but the wiki yet - and like I said, yes please handle the social media stuff in either case. :)
[21:36] <Wild_Man> Okay I will take care of those two as well, I just like to be clear
[21:37] <Wild_Man> reviewing the gdoc now, it will be a lot easier after I see the Eye Doctor next month and get new reading glasses, right now I do not have any mine have been lost
[21:38] <krytarik> Ugh, that's fun..
[21:40] <Wild_Man> I am not sure why but under final beta release we do not have one for Ubuntu
[21:40] <Wild_Man> or Xubuntu
[21:41] <krytarik> Well, I know Xubuntu didn't do a post, and I guess none was done for main Ubuntu either - do they blog anyway..?
[21:42] <oerheks> Wild_Man, final beta is beta2?
[21:44] <Wild_Man> krytarik, I believe I have a link to Ubuntu on twitter I will look
[21:45] <Wild_Man> oerheks, I think so technically but they are calling it the final beta
[21:45] <krytarik> Actually they don't in most places.
[21:51] <Wild_Man> krytarik, it is from omgubuntu see what you think about adding it please, a seems okay to me https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/04/ubuntu-18-04-beta-2-download
[21:53] <Bashing-om> Are we to hold with what we have now. enough content ? : Mesa 18.0.1 is being planned for release on Wednesday as the first stable point release.
[21:54] <krytarik> Wild_Man: Well, that doesn't go in the top section there anyway.
[21:55] <krytarik> Yes, content gathering is till Sunday, and it does say 14th there. :)
[21:57] <Bashing-om> And overlay the kernel 4.16 summary ? : Linus Torvalds is expected by the end of the day to release Linux 4.17-rc1,
[21:59] <Wild_Man> Place in Other Community News?
[22:01] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Want them added at this time or continue looking at what is new off the press ?
[22:02] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, we can add the ubuntu final release beta but I would not worry about adding anything else at this time
[22:06] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, the Ubuntu final beta is already there, my mistake
[22:06] <Wild_Man> omgubuntu has it written up nicely but no need to duplicate it
[22:08] <krytarik> I don't see it there yet though.. >_>  And just add it to Blogosphere then.
[22:08] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue503#Ubuntu_17.04_.28Zesty_Zapus.29_Final_Beta_Released has an example of what we've done in the past
[22:08] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Yeah the link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2018-April/000230.html has the pointer to ubuntu's release .
[22:09] <pleia2> have the official release link and summary, then: News about the Final Beta was also covered by the following:
[22:09] <krytarik> Yeah, but we only got one so far.. :P
[22:09] <pleia2> https://fossbytes.com/ubuntu-18-04-lts-bionic-beaver-final-beta-release-download-links/ https://www.technotification.com/2018/04/ubuntu-18-04-lts-bionic-beaver.html
[22:10] <pleia2> google news search found more :)
[22:10] <krytarik> !
[22:10] <pleia2> (that's 10 seconds of googling, I'm sure you can find more)
[22:11] <pleia2> also pro tip: set up a google news alert for the word "ubuntu"
[22:11] <pleia2> you'll learn a lot about Africa, and get Ubuntu news delivered right to your inbox :D
[22:12] <krytarik> lol
[22:16] <Wild_Man> Are we going to remove the the Planet and Hub sections this issue?
[22:18] <krytarik> Well, Planet is filled of course, but Hub won't be yes.
[22:18] <krytarik> I mean unless you can find some relevant content yet, of course.
[22:21] <Wild_Man> krytarik, there is nothing under Planet anymore Liz story was to Loco News
[22:28] <Wild_Man> pleia2, tsimonq2 just to get us started in this issue I posted three links under the HUB from the HUB that are about getting support from IRC, Ask Ubuntu and the forums since they are posted on the HUB is that not good enough material for this issue? I know the HUB is a dev forum but it has this material with links to these site on the HUB and since Ubuntu is also community oriented I figured it is acceptable or if we post those links
[22:28] <Wild_Man> with summaries do they belong under another heading?
[22:34] <pleia2> that's definitely a tsimonq2 question, Hub is after my time ;)
[22:36] <tsimonq2> We never did hub here
[22:36] <tsimonq2> Sooooooo
[22:36]  * tsimonq2 punts :)
[22:38] <krytarik> ...Wow, the history feature is resource intensive and slow, that's hardly usable at all here.  Either way, Wild_Man: 1.) I disagree with moving that to LoCo News, because it isn't related to any LoCo, and 2.) there are still 3 articles in Planet regardless.
[22:40] <pleia2> it's all about Ubuntu California :)
[22:40] <pleia2> that's a LoCo
[22:40] <Wild_Man> krytarik, I did not remove it
[22:41] <Wild_Man> I say we leave the hub out this time around
[22:41] <pleia2> (it's the major event for the team each year, so it's nice to see it highlighted as such in the newsletter)
[22:42] <krytarik> Ah, that's not mentioned anywhere in the summary, so.. >_>
[22:50] <Wild_Man> krytarik, I read the logs on the conversation about a script to pull stats from the forum, from memory yesterday I know it did not go well so is that option dead or just needs to be approached in a different way?
[22:50] <Bashing-om> I am sitting here tweedeling my thumbs, so what can a lowly gofer do at this point.
[22:50] <Wild_Man> I was thinking use solved threads for the week in only like certain sub-forums
[22:52] <Wild_Man> I have looked over the doc and do not plan to change anything so we are just waiting for the word it is good, we will need to remove unused sections
[22:54] <krytarik> Wild_Man: Well, certainly I didn't figure a working option to gather fitting content automatically - but yeah, another one would be to look for it manually, of course.
[22:55] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, you have done  good work
[22:56] <Wild_Man> krytarik, I have that in the past once, it was a lot of work not sure I have the time for that now and no one is interested in helping I already now that
[22:56] <Wild_Man> done
[22:57] <Wild_Man> I wish it was as easy as the userscripts like stats on the tow
[22:57] <krytarik> Fwiw, none of the unfilled sections in the doc are going to be removed right there - otherwise we'd have to put together the headers and notes afterwards again.. >_>  Rather, they'll just not be used in the end product.
[22:57] <Wild_Man> okay I wondered about that
[23:02] <Wild_Man> If the this issue is ready do we still wait until tomorrow night to publish it? or can we publish it tonight?
[23:07] <krytarik> I figure Monday is the publishing day, period. :)  And also, right now you'd have to do it all without me anyway, because I'm just about to go to bed - been up for quite a while now.. :P
[23:08] <Wild_Man> krytarik, I see, I am going to be gone a few hours tomorrow during the day but I will be back by late afternoon, not sure that there is a time that it should be done anyway.
[23:09] <Wild_Man> This time I think I just need to publish it to the forum tsimonq2 is going to do the rest, as of now I do not have access to the other sites
[23:11] <krytarik> However, if you want of course, feel free to start creating the wiki page already, and I guess could start with the scripts too there.
[23:12] <krytarik> That'd be lovely if you and Bashing-om could figure that in the meantime while I sleep actually. :)
[23:13] <Wild_Man> Has tsimonq2 said the editing is complete?
[23:14] <Bashing-om> krytarik: You take for granit that I know somethin; I know nothing .. ( but I am teachable )
[23:17] <Wild_Man> the moin help wiki will help Bashing-om I think krytarik linked to it yesterday
[23:18] <krytarik> Well, both of you have fiddled with the scripts a bit yet anyway, and for sure Wild_Man knows a bit about wiki editing..  Which reminds me, please "git pull" on the script repo again if you haven't done so for like two days yet.
[23:18] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Yeah .. nut does not tell what button to push :)
[23:19] <Wild_Man> krytarik, will do
[23:22] <Wild_Man> installed and still works
[23:23] <krytarik> And you know, it's a wiki, it doesn't have to be all done and perfect right from the start either.
[23:23] <Wild_Man> right
[23:24] <Wild_Man> I have created a few just been a while
[23:24] <Wild_Man> I am not that bad at it just sloe
[23:24] <Wild_Man> sloe/slow
[23:25] <krytarik> Sloemoe.. :D
[23:25] <Wild_Man> Indded!:)
[23:27] <Wild_Man> krytarik, do I need to post a link to the new wiki template here?
[23:29] <krytarik> Well, except it won't be a template, I guess we all can figure out that it'll be  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue523  anyway. :P
[23:31] <Wild_Man> I a lot of the work is done for us https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/IssueTemplate
[23:33] <krytarik> Yes, I've just updated that a bit yesterday even - and now we just have to create a new page based on it and fill it with content.
[23:33] <Wild_Man> okay
[23:35] <krytarik> I figure "More Actions → Copy Page" could work for this.
[23:37] <Wild_Man> Looks like a good plan to me
[23:38] <Wild_Man> Done, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/https:/wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue523
[23:40] <krytarik> And then particularly look at this list while going along: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies
[23:41] <Wild_Man> krytarik, I am I already have it opened
[23:42] <krytarik> Erm, you've got something funky going on with the URL there - and the actual one doesn't exist yet.
[23:42] <Wild_Man> yep I see two https
[23:43] <Wild_Man> not sure why I copied it from above
[23:43] <krytarik> "More Actions → Rename Page"
[23:43] <Wild_Man> ok
[23:44] <Wild_Man> does it add the http itself? do I leave that out this time?
[23:44] <krytarik> You leave the whole "https:/wiki.ubuntu.com/" out exactly.
[23:45] <Wild_Man> I did but it added them
[23:46] <Wild_Man> Do I rename all sub-pages also?
[23:46] <krytarik> Well, there are none. >_>
[23:46] <Wild_Man> I have never worked with a template, it should make it nice
[23:48] <Wild_Man> it keeps putting it back in, I wonder if it is adblocker or ghostery causing the issue?
[23:50] <Wild_Man> krytarik, you can look if you want it tells me the name already exists because it keeps adding the first part, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/https:/wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue523
[23:50] <Wild_Man> I can delete it and try again
[23:51] <krytarik> Yeah, that you can do too - also has the plus of not having the rename in the history then.. >_>
[23:53] <Wild_Man> I will try that again I am looking at something first
[23:57] <Wild_Man> krytarik, look now I think I got it
[23:58] <krytarik> Yep!