[01:56] slidinghorn: Ban the internet [01:56] slidinghorn: That would prolly be the best way ? [04:03] good morning to all [04:05] !info gnome-shell bionic [04:05] gnome-shell (source: gnome-shell): graphical shell for the GNOME desktop. In component main, is optional. Version 3.28.0-0ubuntu5 (bionic), package size 675 kB, installed size 7395 kB [04:06] morning lotuspsychje :) [04:06] hey slidinghorn all ok? [04:08] yep, just reading & watching vids trying to learn...stuff. [04:08] cool [04:08] vacation over here, tomorrow work again..bah [04:10] slidinghorn: You are trying to do what? [04:10] lotuspsychje: that sucks :/ === kallesbar_ is now known as kallesbar [06:22] good morning, everyone [06:24] morning [10:51] hey guys [10:53] hi [10:53] hi LtWorf [11:45] think he's trolling us [11:45] yep [11:47] or needs to complete their ID10T form [11:47] lol [11:47] :) [11:47] troll in support channel in 3... 2... 1... [11:48] guess they can't type fast [11:48] That's the best kind of trolling, where you get everyone to wait and keep checking back, lol. [11:48] haha [11:49] make those silly volunteers suffer! [11:49] As if that doesn't happen often enough with non-trolls, people trying to hide that they are using other distros/etc [11:50] yeah... that wasn't my intention... apologies [11:50] u0_a158 was whom I were referring to [11:50] we too pragmaticenigma no need to apologize [11:51] pragmaticenigma, yeah, that's what I figured [11:51] joking around a bit :p [11:51] aparently so did the mods [12:01] !studio [12:01] UbuntuStudio is a collection of packages for the artist who wishes to use Ubuntu as their Digital Audio Workstation. It contains all the best Audio/Visual components from the Ubuntu repositories. For more info and install instructions, join #ubuntustudio or see http://ubuntustudio.org [12:03] Hey folks [12:04] Hiya BluesKaj [12:05] hey BluesKaj [12:11] Hey JimBuntu, lotuspsychje [12:12] looks like middle of winter here, then it's going to start raining...what a mess :/ [12:13] BluesKaj, I know the feeling... I had a bon fire this weekend, it was great... until it started raining, freezing rain that is [12:14] !party [12:14] Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, #edubuntu, and #lubuntu are support channels. To countdown to !bionic release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/3339/ [12:15] P A R T Y ! [12:15] lol [12:16] !isitoutyet [12:16] Not yet! [12:16] not for a few days , right ? I heven't checked the release schedule, I just keep updating/upgrading each day :-) [12:17] 26th last I read [12:17] already running Bionic [12:17] ok [12:18] Final freeze is Thursday, that will be the release candidate [12:19] !info gnome-shell bionic [12:19] gnome-shell (source: gnome-shell): graphical shell for the GNOME desktop. In component main, is optional. Version 3.28.0-0ubuntu5 (bionic), package size 675 kB, installed size 7395 kB [12:19] waiting for .1 [12:20] dat .1 will make all the difference [12:20] :P [12:20] Oh, they got 3.28 already in there. [12:23] !info plasma-shell bionic [12:23] Package plasma-shell does not exist in bionic [12:23] heh, that's not true [12:24] plasmashell -v shows plasmashell 5.12.4 [12:24] !find plasma [12:24] Found: kde-plasma-desktop, kdeconnect-plasma, kdeplasma-addons-data, libkf5plasma-dev, libkf5plasma5, libkf5plasmaquick5, libplasma-geolocation-interface5, libplasma3, plasma-active-default-settings, plasma-applet-redshift-control (and 460 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=plasma&searchon=names&suite=artful§ion=all [12:25] !info plasmashel [12:25] Package plasmashel does not exist in artful [12:25] !info plasmashell [12:25] Package plasmashell does not exist in artful [12:25] !info plasmashell bionic [12:25] !info plasma-workspace [12:25] Package plasmashell does not exist in bionic [12:25] plasma-workspace (source: plasma-workspace): Plasma Workspace for KF5. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:5.10.5-0ubuntu1.1 (artful), package size 6959 kB, installed size 33440 kB [12:26] ok [12:26] and plasma-workspace-wayland [12:26] oh no [12:26] hahaha [12:27] no wayland with nvidia [12:28] BluesKaj: bashing-om reported that latest driver on ppa making progress [12:28] don't think nvidia's wayland efforts amount to much [12:28] and look what shows up when i apt-cache search wayland: nvidia-driver-390 - NVIDIA driver metapackage [12:29] ahh, my driver ...hmmm [12:29] BluesKaj: perhaps you should test it? [12:29] not yet [12:30] kk [12:30] too much on my plate the next few days [12:33] besides my old HP is my testbed and it uses the nvidia-340 driver [12:35] :p [12:36] My new pc doesn't have a brand name since my son i built it from scratch [12:36] and I [12:39] MSI Z370 has a neat BIOS, like a hybrid UEFI/BIOS , not just a legacy mode, one can use either BIOS or UEFI ..pretty cool [12:42] i always liked msi mobo's [12:42] pretty good for the money [12:42] yeah [12:48] interesting tho, no HDMI port , just VGA, DVI and Display Port [12:48] glad I have a couple of DVI to HDMI cables [12:50] since the nvidia gt520 hdmi out doesn't seem to carry the audio signal, but the DVi port does [12:51] wow, no audio out on that HDMI? That's whacky [12:52] there's no dedicated spdif audio out [12:54] JimBuntu, well so it seems so. i tried the hdmi out yesterday on the nvidia card and couldn't get any audio at all to my receiver [12:55] it's looping out of the tv optical out [12:55] Did you remember to manually change audio out in the sound settings? [12:55] yes [12:56] I always expect HDMI to have audio out, but I noted that one of the HDMI inputs on my TV doesn't seem to accept audio, talk about whacky [12:56] some ports may require HDCP [12:58] pulseaudio pavucontrol (which i despise) shows the hdmi as unplugged...suppose I could go pure alsa with intel driver, something which I haven't tried yet [12:58] sometimes I've noticed there are multiple HDMI/audio devices, and they're not necessarily correctly mapped/linked to the video outputs [12:58] I love pavucontrol - it doesn't hide anything from you [12:58] no kidding TJ- :-) lets face it linux audio is a mess [12:59] aamof think i'm going to try pure alsa [13:00] with the snd-hda-intel driver [13:00] that's a step backwards; since ALSA can only allow one process output at a time. [13:01] "pactl list sinks" will show all the known output ports [13:03] "pactl list cards" will list the devices, the associated profiles and ports [13:29] bummer , need pulse for webaudio now ..the intel snd-hda driver was sufficient on my other pcs , but without a direct spdif output I'm out of luck going with just asla [13:31] maybe I'll invest in a decent PCI-E soundcard ...my m-audio is too old to use in the newer pice slots [13:31] pcie [15:41] not sure who talked about python this week, but just saw python2.7 passing by in bionic updates [15:42] python2.7 (2.7.15~rc1-1) ... [16:00] welcome comoseabien [16:01] here you can chat freely about ubuntu likes [16:05] bye [16:05] You may have seen me talking about Python, while I dislike the whitespace method, I do like the language over all [16:06] JimBuntu: ah, wasnt it about versions yes or no in some ubuntu? [16:07] I recently talked about how I never moved out of 2.7. I guess I am not along either as I still see a lot of new tutorials related to that version. [16:07] s/along/alone [16:07] ah kk [16:08] I'm very glad to see it's still going to be included. [16:08] :) [16:08] afternoon, hoomans [16:08] that was the purpose of what i wanted :p [16:09] ducasse: hey mate how was your day? [16:09] eh, quiet. i was watching tv and fell asleep on the sofa :) [16:10] nice lazy days :p [16:10] hey ducasse [16:11] hey BluesKaj [16:14] ducasse: seen anything good half? [16:14] Hey ducasse, you need to share your lazy days with the rest of us, don't horde them X-D [16:14] we watched den of thieves, and i liked it [16:14] think they wanted to copycat HEAT a bit [16:16] lotuspsychje: not really, watched a bad horror movie last night - can't even remember the name [16:16] lol [16:16] JimBuntu: there's plenty :) [16:17] lotuspsychje: back to work tomorrow? [16:17] ducasse: yeah but i phoned them already, im gonna end contract [16:18] how long do you have to keep working? === JanC_ is now known as JanC [16:19] ducasse: to be discussed togheter, i dont want to give em trouble neither..ill give them time till they find a solution [16:19] technically, i could stop now [16:19] wb pragmaticenigma [16:20] thanks lotuspsychje [16:20] hi pragmaticenigma [16:20] what'd I miss? [16:20] howdy ducasse [16:21] pragmaticenigma: nothing much, still slow in main [16:21] TJ- found out studio wont be 18.04 [16:22] I caught the early stages of that convo [16:22] it won't be lts, you mean [16:22] yeah [16:22] lotuspsychje: yeah, I published the comment earlier [16:23] kind of makes sense though... I would think with Audio/Visual you'd want to be working on newer software to keep up with the changing codecs [16:23] lack of manpower [16:23] that too [16:23] #ubuntu-release.weechatlog:2018-04-12 18:04:50 ErichEickmeyer infinity, slangasek: The response has been overall in favo [16:23] │r of Ubuntu Studio not being LTS this time around. Unfortunate, but until we can drum-up the manpower, that's kindof where we're at. :/ [16:26] I tried Studio when it first spun out... but I haven't looked at it in a long time. not much use for it for software dev [16:34] I suppose I should try it in the digitial audio workstation system, which is centered on ardour [16:35] that's got a M-Audio Delta 1010 and Evolution uc-33e attached [17:12] silence before the bionic storm [17:13] waiting for our bionic master to arise [17:16] :p [17:41] bbl guys tv time [18:13] hi everyone [18:22] hi pauljw [18:22] hey BluesKaj :) [18:28] my new internet's been delayed til Wed morning, the cable was disconnected 19yrs ago when i cancelled my cable TV in favour of Bell sat service which was a much better deal at the time. There's a cable distrubution box in my front yard on the easement section. This part of the town has the electric, phone and cable lines run underground to all the neighbourhood residences. [18:29] ah, the anticipation... :) [18:32] yeah, I'm disappointed that the modem couldn't be activated today, but patience is needed due the length of time the line's been disconnected [18:33] I thought this would be the case, and unfortunately I was right [18:34] you be flying around the internets before you can say supercalifragilisticexpialidocious... [18:35] :D [18:35] hey daftykins :) [18:35] much like how my clients London apartment phone line had been detached for some time [18:35] poor BT engineer had to go in and out multiple times to reattach and test :> [18:36] and of course the weather is awful here atm, sleet, rain snow mix ..last yr at this time I was BBQing steaks on the patio [18:36] would the coax between you and the easement degrade in that time, such that a fresh run would benefit your service? [18:36] assuming it's in some kinda ducting up to the house that you could replace easily [18:37] that might be worth looking into... [18:40] daftykins, dunno the day the cable was run to the house I was at work and my wife told me there workmen digging trench from the box to the side of the house ...assume it's clad with some kind of protective material, but i never asked. [18:41] ah well, i'd imagine they do a test of your new service at the end before connecting you in, so any loss might be known if you do what i did and go with the guy xD [18:41] this was in 1976, and the cable worked fine up until 1999 [18:42] i saw his speed test out on the road in the cabinet, then saw the speeds didn't drop much once they got into the apartment :> [18:43] The phone lines that were put in back then still work fine so i'm assume the cable will too [18:44] assuming [18:44] mmm i dunno how cable services behave, with our tech here being broadband over the phone lines - the slightest oxidised connection can drop your speeds by a handful of megabits [18:46] the 7mb dsl service approaches 750Kbits/sec here which is the same it's been for almost 20 yrs [18:47] over the same underground lines [18:54] the soil here is very sandy so water drains away very quickly since the water table is close to 30 ft before there's any clay [19:11] The issue with coax is water ingress. I have seen it disconnected at the base of radio towers and drain for many minutes [19:12] Let's hope the old adage is true... "They used to build things to last." [19:15] :D [19:18] think the cable just needs to be connected to the tap inside the distribution box [19:20] my neighbour uses the same old cable for his internet, tv and phone bundle from the same company I signed with [19:38] :D [19:39] ah he left [19:42] hi daftykins - painted those windows yet? [19:42] newp :) [19:42] busy workin' and fighting ants that have broken into my kitchen! :D [19:42] how's you today? [19:44] i fell asleep on the sofa earlier, so done remarkably little :) [19:45] ah har [19:45] EriC^^: \o [19:45] hey daftykins o/ [19:46] how's it going? [19:46] i put some miles in on the bike today to get to some clients, very tiring :> [19:46] haha, cool :D [19:46] EriC^^: not bad thanks! just ate and now relaxing with some youtube sub videos :) [19:46] https://youtu.be/GPk4Ag86qUE [19:46] nice [19:46] i'm sitting with 6 donuts [19:47] drooling and eating, homer simpson style :D [19:47] mmm i'll help you with those! :) [19:47] mcdonalds has a nice offer with them [19:47] 6 for like $5 or something [19:48] the nutella sucks though, i got 2 from yesterday still in the box [19:48] hello diabetes :D [19:48] mcdonalds nutella doughnut? [19:48] lol yeah [19:48] O_O [19:49] the rest are actually good, i think a company called 'mccafe' makes them [19:49] ah wait [19:49] lol [19:49] must be the mcdonalds cafe or something [19:50] :D you might remember we don't have fast food, so i enjoyed trying mcdonalds breakfasts whilst i was in London recently [19:50] mmmm tasty [19:50] nice coffee too [19:50] ah right [19:50] yeah i love mcdonalds [19:51] i'd love a dunkin donuts donut sugar powdered and blueberry jam in the middle [19:51] cool video, i used to have a ps/2 model 80 :) [19:52] :) [19:52] oh another lgr fan :) [19:53] has anyone tried the airbar? (the bar that makes any screen a touch screen) ? [19:53] https://www.amazon.com/AirBar-Neonode-Touchscreen-Windows-Notebooks/dp/B01N3MHMSF [19:56] o0 [19:56] nope, not a fan of touch screen tech though i must admit [19:57] i wanna get one for my grandma [19:57] i had gotten her an i3 lenovo last year i found an awesome deal on, but i think her getting used to a mouse was a little optimistic of me [19:58] hmm a bit pricey for being a small plastic bar with an short usb cable attached to it [19:58] i remember i tried teaching her bash scripting when we first got it, wasn't happening [19:59] yeah but a touch screen laptop is like $500+ on any site i could find so it's a good deal, i dont think id be able to use it on ubuntu though, also you cant close the laptop with it installed i guess [20:02] i wonder how well it works though [20:02] you can't close it fully yeah. but at least it's magnetised so it's easy to reattach i assume [20:03] hmm some guy is saying it worked on linux mint, nice [20:04] hehe scripting might be a bit of a jump from being new to the machine :D [20:04] eww Mint [20:04] yeah [20:05] from the same guy " don't like touching my screen, so i've been experimenting with different styli and paintbrushes" [20:06] why did he even buy it in the first place [20:06] haha [20:07] Linux mint users.. [20:11] :D [20:11] i dislike touchscreens too [20:11] the distro with no purpose [20:11] if the keyboard would be a touchscreen, that would be oke [20:16] there's a tiny box that projects a laser keyboard onto any surface that works as a keyboard [20:16] pretty sick, james bond stuff [20:17] https://www.amazon.com/Projection-Keyboard-Bluetooth-Wireless-Smartphone/dp/B00X54W9FC [20:17] ah yeah a friend of mine at Uni said they bought those for the engineers who kept spilling things onto keyboards and damaging them [20:17] i have one, for the old palm handheld .. some sort of bluetooth, but exclusive [20:17] no way to make it work with windows,mac or linux :-( [20:18] :< [20:23] it would be used in a clean environment, a nurse would easily wipe the keyboard [20:25] incl battery and rubber cap on the powerconnection ... but a mis-buy :-( [20:26] kat-in-a-bag, as the dutch say [20:30] ah for something which is left unknown? [20:30] or remains a mystery [20:40] no, i found out it was palm handheld only [20:41] i tried to sell it again, but to honest to tell the truth 'will it work on windows?' [20:42] :-( [20:46] it belongs in a museum :P [20:46] hold on to it it's gonna become a museum piece soon [20:52] agreed ^ :D [22:21] \o/ : First thing to test, try "grub-script-check /boot/grub/custom.cfg" (you can add [22:21] a -v to that to get a better idea of where specifically the problem is, if there is a [22:21] syntax error). Please pastebin your custum.cfg though. [22:21] tomreyn, just reading back, new0 has 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 502 not upgraded. .. time to start apt-get dist-upgrade?? and i see you work on the backslash mess.. [22:21] Bad bad paste .. bad paste ! [22:22] oerheks: :) plenty of those [22:22] yes, thanks for pointing out the missing updates. once the apt errors are gone i'll have him install those. should be ... sooooon [22:22] \o/ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue523 is now hitting the streets ! [22:23] Remove the corrupted one [22:23] sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list [22:23] Open software-properties-gtk [22:23] sudo -i software-properties-gtk [22:23] This will open software-properties-gtk with no repository selected. [22:23] oops [22:25] sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list.save /etc/apt/sources.list [22:26] oerheks: hmm nice idea there [22:27] this .save file is standard [22:28] oerheks: but is the one they have now really corrupt? [22:28] right now i think it'll be fine [22:28] i have no clue what caused those trails.. [22:29] the trailing slashes on the respositry URLs? me neither. but i guess once they're gone it *should* work, unless the IL mirror is not in good shape [22:29] that kernel name points to canonical team ppa kernels, i think too ... https://pastebin.com/3LEy2wp5 https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/7447680 [22:30] Linux version 3.13.0-53-generic (buildd@phianna) [22:30] israel - might be a bad memory but i think we've seen folks have bad repos / be blocked before from there [22:31] there might be naughty proxy foo going on there [22:33] surprisingly there's just one mirror there [22:34] .. and 2 days behind [22:34] well, i think there are more mirrors. [22:34] and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/mirror.isoc.org.il-archive explains where the trailing slashes come from [22:36] nasty .. oke i open a Heineken, because the bottom says i need to drik it today [22:36] c/drink [22:37] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors#yui_3_10_3_1_1523918111772_55 lists *1* for .il [22:37] i think they do that because you could drink it the same day, and get alcoholic [22:38] makes sense! [22:39] but .. buying meat for today, is always cheaper. [22:39] 35% off [22:48] bad idea, heineken en reboot [22:49] i often say: don't drink & sudo .. [22:49] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/umit/+bug/1740618 [22:49] Ubuntu bug 1740618 in umit (Ubuntu) "Remove gksu from Ubuntu" [Undecided,New] [22:50] what's the replacement for gksu? [22:50] pkexe ?? [22:51] Correction : pkexec ?? [22:51] with double ? [22:53] can you run any binaries as root with pkexec? [23:00] akik: Well, when pkexec was 1st inrtiduced .. was a rig-a-mo-tole to have an app with admin privileges .. For instance : http://www.webupd8.org/2015/03/how-to-run-gedit-and-nautilus-as-root.html . One had to at the least create a access rights file . [23:01] i hope they are not taking sudo away too [23:05] akik: I looked at plexec back then ,, and ran away screamming .. I found that ' sudo -H ' finctioned for all my GUI use cases .. and in 18.04 (xubuntu) still does . [23:15] buenos noches, amig{a,o}s.