[00:01] <TJ-> Drakeskywing: that sounds like a display manager or desktop environment issue; what is being used?
[00:02] <Drakeskywing> TJ-: Unity ._. I seem to have no luck with any other as when I try to set them up I somehow end up locking myself out so I am resolved to 18.04 to Unity. I found a mention that virtual box is the culprit, and restarting unity is a solution but that is a touch ... dramatic
[00:03] <TJ-> Drakeskywing: you're running Ubuntu inside a VirtualBox guest, with dual monitors?
[00:03] <TJ-> Drakeskywing: also, do you really mean 18.04 (Bionic), or 16.04 (Xenial) ?
[00:05] <Drakeskywing> TJ-: Sorry I should clarify a few things, first Ubuntu is the main OS, and I am running win 10 in virtual box *shakes fist at need for Office 365 for work*, and yes I am using 16.04 (Xenial)
[00:07] <TJ-> Drakeskywing: Ahhh. So X is driving the monitors correctly but Unity isn't allowing interaction with Windows that appear on the 2nd display, but does allow interaction with it's panel/dash ?
[00:10] <Drakeskywing> TJ-: Bingo, I found a stack overflow with someone experiencing a similar issue, and seeming to have the issue when virtual box was run, but other then restarting unity using unity --replace though as I said earlier, seems a bit dramatic and doesn't explain the big question, why?
[00:11] <TJ-> Drakeskywing: it sounds like maybe VB is grabbing focus somehow
[00:11] <TJ-> input focus that is
[00:12] <Drakeskywing> TJ-: not sure about that, since even that is unclickable on the second display
[00:13] <TJ-> Drakeskywing: could it be Bug #891124
[00:15] <Drakeskywing> TJ-: looks sort of like it, will check, got work to get to, thanks for the help
[00:21] <mindnaked> join #vuejs
[00:21] <mindnaked> sorry newbie on weechat.
[00:23] <CheetahPixie> sooo
[00:23] <CheetahPixie> can nobody help me with a broken sound device?
[00:28] <slidinghorn> CheetahPixie: other sound devices are shown?
[00:28] <CheetahPixie> Yes.
[00:28] <CheetahPixie> Every other one.
[00:29] <CheetahPixie> Be it DP/HDMI audio, my Xonar or the onboard.
[00:32] <TJ-> CheetahPixie: which kernel module is loaded for the device?
[00:32] <CheetahPixie> snd_es1968
[00:37] <CheetahPixie> TJ-
[00:37] <TJ-> CheetahPixie: and you say aplay doesn't list it?
[00:37] <CheetahPixie> Correct.
[00:38] <CheetahPixie> I'm pretty sure it's not a Xonar DX and an ATI HDMI device, or an ATI SB.
[00:40] <TJ-> have you experimented with any of the snd-es1968 options? it looks like it has a few, and reading the source-code it sounds like it's a pain to configure correctly in some circumstances - not to mention to program
[00:41] <CheetahPixie> I had no idea there even were options for it.
[00:42] <CheetahPixie> I plugged it in, pressed the start button, waited, and nothing.
[00:43] <TJ-> CheetahPixie: "modinfo snd-es1968"
[00:43] <TJ-> CheetahPixie: also, check 'dmesg' for kernel messsages when the device was discovered
[00:45] <CheetahPixie> "enabling device (0000 -> 0001)" "not attempting power management" "DMA buffer beyond 256MB." "probe of 0000:05:06.0 failed with error -12"
[00:45] <CheetahPixie> couldn't find that error on google
[00:45] <CheetahPixie> can you see with your developer eyes what causes that?
[00:47] <TJ-> CheetahPixie: oh, that matches what I was reading in the source-code header. There's a lengthy discourse on how terrible it is to program for and the weird restrictions it imposes, one of which is the location of the PCI mapped memory
[00:47] <CheetahPixie> hm
[00:47] <CheetahPixie> any ideas?
[00:49] <TJ-> CheetahPixie: Not really. here's the web-copy of the source though, it's worth reading the initial commentary to get and idea of what you're dealing with   https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/sound/pci/es1968.c
[00:49] <CheetahPixie> so
[00:50] <CheetahPixie> do I just "modprobe snd_es1968 option=value"?
[00:51] <CheetahPixie> do I just "modprobe snd_es1968 option=value"?
[00:51] <CheetahPixie> oops
[00:52] <CheetahPixie> how could I solve the PCI memory location thing?
[00:54] <TJ-> CheetahPixie: no idea; the mentioned dsps_order option no longer exists
[00:54] <CheetahPixie> dsps_order?
[00:59] <tyamur> hi. How paint random pixel to framebufer?
[01:03] <CheetahPixie> so TJ- quick question
[01:03] <CheetahPixie> https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-123739-start-0.html I'm staring at this *potential* solution, but it seems to use the old sources for it.
[01:03] <CheetahPixie> Would there be any way to apply this to es1968.c and compile/insmod myself?
[01:04] <TJ-> Errr, that's 2004! I don't think that's going to help
[01:05] <CheetahPixie> I mean, it seems to fix the -12 error.
[01:06] <TJ-> That code isn't in the module nowadays
[01:06] <CheetahPixie> Of course.
[01:06] <CheetahPixie> But the fix there was to swap a line with another.
[01:06] <CheetahPixie> I'm assuming a similar quick fix can be done on the new driver.
[01:07] <CheetahPixie> In some way.
[01:14] <TJ-> The error number is #define ENOMEM          12      /* Out of memory */
[01:18] <donofrio> in regards to Accelerated Video how do I test "direct rendering?"
[01:37] <h3ll0w0rld> exit
[02:03] <handsaw> quit
[02:21] <CheetahPixie> donofrio: Usually a 3D application of some sort should display your GPU instead of LLVM in the log.
[02:37] <bugzbunny> CheetahPixie: NO
[02:37] <bugzbunny> CheetahPixie: You are using Open Source stack?
[02:38] <bugzbunny> I don't what LOGs you are using, by 3D work, on Mesa, AFAIK is LLVM, there southpipe
[02:38] <bugzbunny> There is a few others
[02:41] <donofrio> is 'rendered' "rasterizer" mean software accel or hw?
[02:42] <bugzbunny> glxinfo | grep direct
[02:42] <bugzbunny> If it says NO
[02:42] <bugzbunny> It's software
[02:43] <donofrio> it says "no (LIB_ALWAYS_INDIRECT set)
[02:44] <bugzbunny> Meh, you looking for Direct Rendering:
[02:49] <bugzbunny> It's glxinfo
[02:50] <bugzbunny> As far as INDIRECT, EGL->GLX but that depends on Appplication
[02:51] <bugzbunny> Actually, I have to touch up on INDIRECT again
[02:54] <Auroth> Hi
[02:55] <Auroth> So Ubuntu is dropping "32-bit" in 18.10?
[02:55] <Jenshae> Sad to hear.
[02:56] <Jenshae> There are so many 32 bit machines that run on Lubuntu. (Which I think uses Ubuntu for it's core updates?)
[02:56] <Auroth> Yeah it does Jenshae
[02:56] <leftyfb> Auroth: 32bit desktop images were dropped in October of 2017
[02:57] <leftyfb> You can still download the sever installer and just install the DE of your choice
[02:57] <Jenshae> Will the 32bit only possibly be only the desktop and default apps? Perhaps continue core support?
[02:57] <Auroth> Will 32-bit packages stop being produced? Because Steam relies on 32-bit packages to function
[02:58] <Jenshae> I think Steam installs its own dependencies.
[02:58] <Jenshae> More pointedly, Wine is a bigger concern. Its 64bit abilities are very weak and dependies can be a huge mess.
[02:59] <Auroth> It also relies on 32-bit system libc6 and mesa, Jenshae
[02:59] <bugzbunny> AFAIK
[02:59] <bugzbunny> The 32bit libs exists
[02:59] <Auroth> So if 32-bit packages are no longer produced, nobody better complain about me going off topic when I walk people through the debian installation process when they come in here complaining Steam is broken in 18.10
[02:59] <leftyfb> Auroth: you'll want to further discuss this in #ubuntu-offtopic since there's no current support issue
[03:00] <leftyfb> Auroth: incorrect
[03:00] <bugzbunny> Auroth: The 32libs, exists
[03:00] <Jenshae> Mesa is a separate team, again can probably install their 32bit drivers. I know Steam installs some of the libc stuff because I have purged and re-installed, fixing some of them that way before.
[03:00] <bugzbunny> Auroth: You can run 32 bit applications, should be, on current Ubuntu
[03:01] <bugzbunny> Auroth: All that changes is the Kernel and boot media
[03:01] <Auroth> bugzbunny, I'm talking about 18.10, when they said they'd drop "32-bit"
[03:01] <bugzbunny> NO
[03:01] <bugzbunny> As, I said, they prolly mean they dropped the 32Bit kernel
[03:02] <bugzbunny> Auroth: That change using the software you use, unless they drop multilib
[03:02] <bugzbunny> s/change/doesn't/change/
[03:04] <Jenshae> Does Ubuntu provide dependencies for Unity3D or is the described updates I am looking at for the desktop?
[03:04] <bugzbunny> Jenshae: What doesn't work with Steam?
[03:04] <bugzbunny> I never seen a hard dependency on Game Engine
[03:05] <Jenshae> Okay, will assume it is for Unity desktop environment. Thanks.
[03:07] <bugzbunny> Jenshae: Unity3D is game engine
[03:08] <bugzbunny> Jenshae: That is diametrically opposed to Unity desktop?
[03:08] <Jenshae> I know but it is conceivable that Canonical would release support to help it work better.
[03:08] <bugzbunny> Jenshae: That is diametrically opposed to Unity desktop?
[03:09] <Jenshae> It is not because both do full screen displays.
[03:09] <slidinghorn> This is no longer an ubuntu support discussion, and it should probably continue in #ubuntu-offtopic or elsewhere
[03:17] <bugzbunny> Jenshae: You were mistaken
[03:18] <bugzbunny> Got it
[03:18] <bugzbunny> Jenshae: What version of Ubuntu do you have?
[03:20] <Jenshae> 16.04 and I do mean, in my original question, "Is Canonical providing updates to assist the Unity3D (game engine not desktop) in performing better on Ubuntu.
[03:21] <bugzbunny> NO
[03:21] <Jenshae> +?"
[03:21] <Jenshae> Okay. :)
[03:21] <bugzbunny> Jenshae: What GPU do you have?
[03:21] <Jenshae> R9 390 with Mesa 17
[03:21] <CheetahPixie> bugzbunny: logs for that specific program that uses 3D.
[03:22] <bugzbunny> Jenshae: CheetahPixie AMD has been pushing a lot open source code...
[03:22] <bugzbunny> So you both know
[03:22] <bugzbunny> Now, for R9 390, do you know what GCN version?
[03:23] <CheetahPixie> Yes.
[03:23] <CheetahPixie> I know.
[03:24] <CheetahPixie> I've been using it for over a year.
[03:24] <bugzbunny> That matters how MATURE the AMDGPU kernel driver is
[03:24] <CheetahPixie> What's that got to do with anything?
[03:24] <bugzbunny> It matters a lot
[03:24] <CheetahPixie> Someone was asking how they could see if they had DRI.
[03:24] <bugzbunny> When we talking about AMD hardware
[03:24] <CheetahPixie> I wasn't asking about AMDGPU.
[03:24] <CheetahPixie> I don't even know why the hell you asked me what stack I was using
[03:24] <CheetahPixie> I don't even know why the hell you asked me what stack I was using.
[03:25] <bugzbunny> Actually I thought you was supporting him earlier
[03:25] <bugzbunny> Did you you change your mind
[03:25] <CheetahPixie> In a DRI application's log, the stack doesn't matter *at all*.
[03:25] <bugzbunny> So you change your mind?
[03:25] <CheetahPixie> All that matters is what the log that THAT SPECIFIC PROGRAM displays.
[03:25] <CheetahPixie> I answered his question.
[03:25] <CheetahPixie> I don't think that's "changing my mind".
[03:25] <bugzbunny> Okay, so you don't know about AMD hardware?
[03:26] <slidinghorn> !ot
[03:26] <CheetahPixie> ...From where the hell do you reach that conclusion?
[03:26] <bugzbunny> Well you don't know
[03:26] <CheetahPixie> About what?
[03:26] <slidinghorn> please take this argument to another channel.
[03:26] <bugzbunny> Jenshae: AMDGPU supports GCN hardware
[03:27] <untoreh> hello, when I turn the keyboard on/off, /etc/default/keyboard is not applied, is this udevd acting up?
[03:27] <bugzbunny> Jenshae: If the R9 is GCN, it's supported but not fully
[03:27] <CheetahPixie> uuuuuuh
[03:28] <bugzbunny> Jenshae: I would have to look it up, but look up what version of GCN, because I think R9 is GCN
[03:28] <bugzbunny> Jenshae: I know they rebrand
[03:28] <untoreh> r9 is gcn 1.1
[03:28] <Jenshae> Not a clue, bugzbunny on GNC, sec, looking something up.
[03:28] <slidinghorn> bugzbunny: you're rambling on about a question that's already answered.  Please stay on topic for once.
[03:28] <bugzbunny> K
[03:29] <bugzbunny> AMDGPU is supporting the latest hardware by on Phoronix, AMD GUY, for GCN 1.1
[03:29] <bugzbunny> That should really get some decent code
[03:30] <bugzbunny> slidinghorn: What argument? Where?
[03:30] <bugzbunny> slidinghorn: Point to a specific argurment and please explain what the argument is about?
[03:30] <CheetahPixie> So. This lad had a question: "How do I test direct rendering?" I answered that question. Then you picked an argument for no reason, forcing the involvement of an open source stack, AMD, their drivers, and the maturity thereof for absolutely nil logical reason. Not to mention you seemingly missing the obvious reference to the application's own log. I'm not gonna say another word on this silly bikeshed.
[03:31] <bugzbunny> Where?
[03:31] <bugzbunny> 22:42 < donofrio> is 'rendered' "rasterizer" mean software accel or hw?
[03:31] <bugzbunny> 22:42 < bugzbunny> glxinfo | grep direct
[03:31] <bugzbunny> 22:42 < bugzbunny> If it says NO
[03:32] <CheetahPixie> https://i.imgur.com/RqM96WH.png
[03:32] <CheetahPixie> Right here.
[03:33] <skweek> I have a fun linux puzzle ! https://justpaste.it/1jnyv if anyone is around to help solve it :-)
[03:33] <slidinghorn> skweek: this is not on topic for this channel
[03:33] <bugzbunny> That was a argument proof?
[03:33] <slidinghorn> bugzbunny: DROP. IT.
[03:33] <bugzbunny> slidinghorn: Drop what?
[03:34] <bugzbunny> slidinghorn: Ban me
[03:34] <chu> Back to support please. You can take this argument to #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss if you must continue.
[03:34] <CheetahPixie> I've no interest in continuing this crap. I'm having too many blunder year flashbacks already.
[03:34] <Jenshae> Umm... whilst a clear example of breaching channel rules might be helpful for some, wouldn't it be best to move the discussion of moderation and tangents to another channel? 0:p
[03:34] <CheetahPixie> Okay, let's repost my issue.
[03:35] <bugzbunny> There was never argument to begin but they are suggestion it was to sway the channel
[03:35] <Jenshae> (Then put the results of that discussion, distilled down for brevity into the topic?)
[03:35] <CheetahPixie> Maestro 2E, snd_es1968, 10ec:8168; not available as a sound device, probing of the module seems to fail with error -12.
[03:36] <CheetahPixie> There was an argument. I think there's a language barrier here.
[03:36] <CheetahPixie> (I also have the source for this driver in front of my nose.)
[03:37] <bugzbunny> I will ignore you both
[03:37] <bugzbunny> They are ignored
[03:38] <Jenshae> CheetahPixie: Does this help you and what model machine are you using? https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1483750
[03:38] <CheetahPixie> Self built machine.
[03:38] <CheetahPixie> Swapped out unused SCSI card, wanted to play SNES.
[03:39] <Jenshae> Motherboard = ? Onboard or PCI-(e?) card?
[03:39] <CheetahPixie> PCI card. Name of it is specified above.
[03:39] <CheetahPixie> As well as PCI ID and kernel module.
[03:40] <Jenshae> I keep seeing only laptop results for Maestro 2E, which is why I thought it would be an onboard one.
[03:40] <CheetahPixie> Again, no dice.
[03:41] <CheetahPixie> It's present and identified, but I think the kernel module is failing to load, hence the probe error.
[03:41] <CheetahPixie> Which gives a "DMA buffer above 256MB" or somesuch.
[03:41] <Jenshae> Is it a new card? Can it be returned?
[03:41] <allizom> CheetahPixie: you posted the PCI ID of a network card
[03:41] <CheetahPixie> Oh.
[03:41] <CheetahPixie> 125d:1978
[03:41] <CheetahPixie> Good morning, guys. I'm still tired. :P
[03:43] <ttyX> hi all
[03:43] <ttyX> I was configuring ad domain auth on 16.04
[03:44] <ttyX> but now all users can login without password
[03:44] <ttyX> can someone tell me what I screwed up?
[03:47] <Jenshae> 04:42 and haven't slept. Insomnia for the win. I know it is Debian CheetahPixie but that is extremely similar to Ubuntu at core. Does this help? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=352758 I know this is obvious but have you gone through it? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting Beyond this, I can only recommend looking at supported and tested sound cards. http://www.alsa-project.org/main/in
[03:48] <CheetahPixie> Ubuntu is, to an extent, a Debian system, so it applies. :P
[03:48] <CheetahPixie> Lemme read that.
[03:48] <CheetahPixie> Uh
[03:48] <CheetahPixie> I didn't buy this card
[03:48] <CheetahPixie> I literally had it in my "old shit" stash.
[03:48] <CheetahPixie> (Which contains satellite transceivers, go figure.)
[03:50] <CheetahPixie> How do I differentiate cards in pacmd?
[03:50] <CheetahPixie> Nevermind.
[03:50] <Jenshae> Yeah, 125d:1978 gives NIC results again.
[03:50] <CheetahPixie> I have the integrated audio and my sound card.
[03:51] <Jenshae> What is wrong with your integrated sound card?
[03:51] <CheetahPixie> Modprobe fails with error -12.
[03:51] <CheetahPixie> Or, well
[03:51] <CheetahPixie> at least said that probing failed.
[03:52] <Jenshae> If both are failing, does it stand to reason that it is something more central, such as needing to re-install ALSA and Pulse?
[03:52] <CheetahPixie> No.
[03:52] <CheetahPixie> Only it is failing.
[03:52] <CheetahPixie> Only that card.
[03:53] <CheetahPixie> My Xonar works fine.
[03:53] <CheetahPixie> I have HDMI/DP audio in my GPU, but nothing to test it with. Probably works fine.
[03:53] <CheetahPixie> Onboard also works fine.
[03:53] <Jenshae> Then use the Xonar for now and test the PCI card in another machine?
[03:53] <CheetahPixie> Already did; works perfect on Windows XP in a HP machine.
[03:53] <CheetahPixie> The PCI slot is not faulty either; it is perfectly capable of booting SCSI drives off my adapter.
[03:55] <CheetahPixie> also Jenshae the third link 404s.
[03:55] <Jenshae> 32 bit vs 64 bit problem? Various games should use the HDMI output on your graphics card. You can change default devices and direct sound to there. Have you tried running "alsamixer" in terminal to make sure that you haven't muted anything?
[03:56] <CheetahPixie> Uh.
[03:56] <CheetahPixie> I have no equipment to use sound from my GPU, at all.
[03:56] <CheetahPixie> And yes; the card literally does not show up.
[03:56] <CheetahPixie> And I can't plug my gameport stuff into anywhere *but* there.
[03:56] <CheetahPixie> Which is why I popped it in in the first place.
[03:57] <CheetahPixie> And what am I looking for in that bug report?
[03:57] <Jenshae> For the third link, search the phrase, " Is my sound card supported by the Ubuntu " within the second link's contents.
[03:58] <Jenshae> If that still fails, then paste the third link into Google and click the small " V " green arrow to look at cached contents.
[03:59] <CheetahPixie> And yes, this card is supported by ALSA.
[03:59] <CheetahPixie> You copied an incomplete link, that was the problem.
[04:01] <Jenshae> 2000-02-28  ALSA 0.5.4b driver package was released (Intel i8x0/MX440 driver fixes).  ALSA 0.5.4 packages were released (added alpha ESS Maestro 1/2/2E driver, improved Intel i8x0/440MX driver, AC'97 updates).
[04:02] <Jenshae> Alsa does have some minimal support for your card.
[04:02] <Jenshae> It looks like it has done more work on Maestro 3 however.
[04:02] <CheetahPixie> Of course.
[04:02] <CheetahPixie> This is like a 3000 LOC driver.
[04:03] <CheetahPixie> I got no clue what I'd be doing with this code, and would have to map it out by hand if I were to ever try to redo things.
[04:03] <CheetahPixie> (Or actually fix shit, which there seems to be a lot of, according to the comments.)
[04:06] <ttyX> my user isn't member of nopasswdlogin but lightdm isn't asking for login password
[04:07] <CheetahPixie> My only suggestion is to check if you screwed up something in the network config. Sounds like a failure to fetch the set passwords, or a fallback to no passwords at all.
[04:07] <CheetahPixie> Wouldn't know a thing.
[04:07] <CheetahPixie> But I've got a clue or two about AD.
[04:07] <CheetahPixie> Are the accounts in question on the remote server?
[04:07] <ttyX> local user
[04:07] <bugzbunny> Hmmm
[04:08] <CheetahPixie> So the local machine is the AD server?
[04:08] <ttyX> unjoined domain
[04:08] <ttyX> nope
[04:08] <CheetahPixie> And the accounts are local...?
[04:08] <ttyX> client machine on a windows domain
[04:08] <Jenshae> Sorry. I'm out of ideas. Perhaps get a cheap mainstream and supported card?
[04:08] <ttyX> yes
[04:08] <bugzbunny> I ignored ttyX
[04:08] <CheetahPixie> Jenshae: It was literally in my pile of junk that I keep around for kicks. Didn't buy it, not gonna buy another.
[04:09] <bugzbunny> Because I want to help
[04:09] <CheetahPixie> ttyX: Then you probably screwed up when you did join the domain.
[04:09] <ttyX> CheetahPixie, but I'm no longer on domain
[04:09] <CheetahPixie> I know.
[04:09] <ttyX> real list shows nothing now
[04:09] <CheetahPixie> What I'm saying is that when on the domain, the accounts should be remote, but able to log in on the client.
[04:10] <Jenshae> Well, what ever need you have for it, do you have another in your pile of junk or can you check with your local IT shop and see if they are about to recycle a working but old sound card?
[04:10] <CheetahPixie> If you did adduser username for everything, then you created local accounts unlinked to the domain.
[04:10] <ttyX> yes everything was working fine but then this new issue popped up
[04:10] <ttyX> lightdm isn't asking for login password
[04:10] <CheetahPixie> Jenshae: I tried numerous times to scan them for old equipment and nada.
[04:10] <CheetahPixie> ttyX: How well versed are you in AD?
[04:10] <CheetahPixie> It should behave like it does on Windows afaik.
[04:11] <CheetahPixie> You get local folders there, but if you net user in the cmd, it only shows local accounts.
[04:11] <CheetahPixie> Likewise, listing local users on your machine should not show the users on the domain.
[04:11] <ttyX> CheetahPixie, my major issue right now is that lightdm isn't asking for login password even for local user and that user isn't member of nopasswdlogin group
[04:12] <Jenshae> Could try something like, "Freecycle" people list things on there. It might be an old PC with a sound card to keep an eye out for that.
[04:12] <ttyX> I can rejoin domain later but first have to fix this
[04:13] <CheetahPixie> Is the password on that user empty?
[04:13] <CheetahPixie> What happens if you su into it?
[04:13] <ttyX> not empty
[04:14] <ttyX> it asks for password when I ssh
[04:14] <ttyX> only lightdm isn't
[04:14] <ttyX> so as you can guess su is asking for password
[04:14] <ttyX> this is a lightdm issue
[04:15] <Jenshae> ttyX: Try this one in reverse? https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+question/172323
[04:21] <Jenshae> CheetahPixie: Have you done step 1 of - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure this?
[04:21] <Jenshae> *With* the card plugged in?
[04:30] <ttyX> Jenshae, no luck
[04:31] <ttyX> could it be pam?
[04:32] <Jenshae> ttyX: Destroy and remake that user?
[04:32] <ttyX> or maybe create new one
[04:32] <ttyX> ok wait
[04:33] <ttyX> same issue
[04:33] <ttyX> user created but no password being asked on lightdm login screen
[04:33] <ttyX> I just have to click login and it logs me in
[04:34] <ttyX> but when I lock the screen I do get asked the password
[04:34] <ttyX> but not on relogin
[04:48] <CheetahPixie> Jenshae: Yes.
[04:53] <Jenshae> CheetahPixie: Check and clean the copper connectors on the card? Try a different slot?
[04:54] <Jenshae> Have you tried something low power and without any volume control on it, such as ear-bud head phones? How about something with an inbuilt amp?
[04:55] <Jenshae> (First one is that it might be power deprived, second that output might not be amplified)
[05:04] <CheetahPixie> Uh
[05:04] <CheetahPixie> the card worked perfectly in another machine.
[05:04] <CheetahPixie> It's detected by lspci, but not "enabled" due to a DMA error.
[05:07] <argusbr> i need scan open ports 80,8291 ip start start 45.4.4.0 ip rang end 45.4.7.255
[05:07] <Jenshae> Question: Is there a way to turn off the abilities for apps to grab focus? For example, I was updating a game and while that was happening, I ran a sudo command, it grabbed focus in the middle of typing my password. Surely that is a security risk as a program could theoretically record inputs and capture whole passwords?
[05:08] <Jenshae> (The game grabbed focus because it finished the update)
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> !info nmap | argusbr
[05:13] <Jenshae> Yes CheetahPixie the other machine has a different power supply. If you want to be sure that the hardware is working. Then put a Windows drive in the machine and test it works that way (or dual boot)
[05:17] <argusbr> lotuspsychje how to use
[05:19] <CheetahPixie> This machine has a higher quality power supply, and the card uses no external power.
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> argusbr: nmap -PN -sV ipadress-here
[05:22] <argusbr> nmap -PN -sV 45.4.4.0-45.4.7.255
[05:22] <argusbr> Starting Nmap 7.01 ( https://nmap.org ) at 2018-04-16 02:22 -03
[05:22] <argusbr> Failed to resolve "45.4.4.0-45.4.7.255".
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> argusbr: one ip, the whole range will take a long time
[05:25] <argusbr> i need use start and end ip
[05:25] <argusbr> no cdir
[05:25] <argusbr> is possible?
[05:50] <CheetahPixie> Jenshae I also verified it to be working in my XP machine.
[06:06] <slidinghorn> CheetahPixie: someone answered you in the Discord, by the way
[06:06] <bugzbunny> argusbr: Yes,
[06:30] <CheetahPixie> slidinghorn: They should've pinged.
[06:34] <Jenshae> CheetahPixie: If you run Windows on the current machine and the sound card works, that rules out any hardware problems. Then it is all definitely down to your operating system.
[06:35] <Jenshae> Saying it works in a different machine means that the card physically works but doesn't test compatibility with motherboard, power supply or the physical connection.
[06:36] <Jenshae> For testing purposes, you don't have to activate Windows.
[06:37] <sweb> i want to change my keyboard map, i want when i press `pause/break` trigger `end`. how can i configure it ?
[06:37] <Jenshae> Anyone on my "disable grab focus" question?
[06:42] <ducasse> Jenshae: i don't think there's any way to prevent it apart from rewriting the programs to not do it
[06:53] <kk4ewt> Jenshae,  what Desktop Environment
[07:10] <Jenshae> Unity, default of Ubuntu.
[07:11] <lars_> Quick noob question: I tend to install and reinstall a lot on older hardware, so I want a small install, and rather download what I need.  I read that there (might?) be a different kernel running on ubuntu server.  Will this be a bad thing when using it as a desktop?
[07:12] <lovingninetails> lars_, There's a Ubuntu net installation image that will let you select what components you want to install
[07:12] <lovingninetails> :)
[07:12] <slidinghorn> !minimal | lars_
[07:13] <Jenshae> Server kernels will naturally have more. I have tried it for RAID problems. I find straight Lubuntu  works best for laptops but debian and then pick LXDE might be about the same, though I think it will be a bit higher than Lubuntu.
[07:13] <ducasse> lars_: the server images use the same kernel
[07:14] <lars_> thank you for all your answers!
[07:15] <Jenshae> I keep being told that ducasse but I have installed the latest of server and Ubuntu. One has shutdown problems that the other does not on the same hardware, suspend and hibernate problems. One's RAID worked where the other did not and so forth. I can agree they might have the same stem, like Knoppix and Ubuntu share Debian but they aren't exactly the same even when you drop to command (ctrl alt f2)
[07:16] <ducasse> Jenshae: there are different package sets installed, but the kernel is identical
[07:17] <Jenshae> Package sets as central to the system as shutting it down?
[07:18] <ducasse> pretty core packages, yes
[07:20] <Jenshae> Okay then, server default is heavier in the packages it uses even without a desktop.
[07:20] <Jenshae> Idle htop results on the same hardware were higher with server.
[07:22] <Jenshae> (I did end up with Debian + LXDE on that machine but learnt a lot about it and made a 4x 500GB RAID 5 archive server out of a desktop (very cheap storage for stuff that should be deleted and frees main server space and since it is accessed so infrequently, the lack of hardware is fine))
[07:28] <lars_> another think that's been troubling me the last few days:  is there a simple command to act as a root user in de?  I did the whole unlock root thing, but it's sort of inconvenient
[07:29] <ducasse> lars_: start the program you want to run as root with gksudo
[07:31] <lars_> allright, thank you, I think I tried that?  I'll try it again and see what happens
[07:32] <ducasse> lars_: use gksudo instead of sudo, as it will take care of setting up the environment
[07:32] <lars_> right
[07:37] <Ubuntunewbie> Hello
[07:38] <Ubuntunewbie> Running Ubuntu 16.4 LTS, and having trouble with HDMI being blurry on my TV.
[07:38] <lars_> !minimal
[07:39] <Ubuntunewbie> It worked fine initially, then i updated and now it is ruined.
[07:45] <Ubuntunewbie> Anybody here that's able to help?
[07:45] <Ubuntunewbie> Hello?
[07:49] <Ubuntunewbie> Having trouble with HDMI on 16.4 LTS. Text is blurry after update, what to do?
[07:54] <mand0rla> Hi, I just turned ufw on and installed Gufw. Do I have to install all the rules for programs I want to connect or they're added already for Dropbox, etc? U think a firewall is necessary? Thanks
[07:56] <robbmunson> !patience | Ubuntunewbie
[08:00] <mand0rla> ^_^ yes I feel ignored, but my ex-gf has strengthened my tolerance to that, thanks robbmunson and ubottu
[08:01] <robbmunson> Wasn't directing it to you, pal :-)
[08:02] <robbmunson> Just have patience in here is all I ask, as it's anywhere from 12-4AM in the USA (where a lot of our users are based).
[08:03] <Zajt> Hey! I got 10 users in a ubuntu VM and wanna install some tools like gdb for each user, what's the easiest way to install some tools for all 10 users? Is there some faster way than doing it manually?
[08:05] <ducasse> Zajt: just install systemwide
[08:05] <Zajt> alright will do that, thanks
[08:06] <Zajt> so will do like: sudo apt-get install programhere
[08:06] <Zajt> and I should be fine
[08:07] <ducasse> yes, that will give all users access to it
[08:24] <TheGrumpyScot> Q. Re. bond and netplan. After applying a configuration where two thernet ports are bonded, the bond gains the ip address correctly however one of the two ethernet ports gains the same ip address. Is this expected behaviour?
[08:31] <zhangshoukun> hi
[08:53] <simba`> hello am i in #ubuntu
[08:54] <simba`> ?
[08:54] <bazhang> simba`, ubuntu support issue?
[08:55] <simba`> bazhang: yes hello
[08:55] <bazhang> simba`, this channel is for support chatter is in #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:55] <simba`> bazhang: i think i have borked my computer a bit:
[08:56] <simba`> i am logged in under tty4 i think, when i try to log in graphically it takes me back to login screen
[08:58] <simba`> bazhang: can you help me with this?
[08:59] <bazhang> simba`, please provide full details, and if someone knows they may help you
[09:00] <simba`> 17.10, fails in gnome and unity
[09:00] <Ool> graphic drivers problem ?
[09:00] <simba`> it was showing the login scren nicely
[09:00] <simba`> screen*
[09:01] <Zajt> ducasse: how can I install this for all users: https://github.com/longld/peda ? according to the instructions there, I should add something to a file, will I have to do this on all 10 user acccounts?
[09:01] <Ool> no write possibility into the user home (Xauthority …)
[09:01] <simba`> Ool:what does that mean?
[09:02] <Ool> in the tty did you have access to your home ?
[09:02] <simba`> i am in the tty now, running irc in emacs
[09:02] <simba`> i have access to home
[09:04] <simba`> id been messing with some .profile stuff earlier in the day, im gonna try commenting out the file
[09:04] <Ool> and you have free space left ?
[09:04] <Ool> you can try with guest account or a new account
[09:04] <simba`> yes i have space, i can login with tmp user
[09:04] <slatechen> exit
[09:05] <simba`> good question
[09:07] <Ool> if it's work with new account, you may have something blocking, into your .profile, or your .gnome2 or .whatever… but difficult to know exactly what
[09:07] <simba`> xsel: Can't open display: (null)
[09:07] <simba`> : Inappropriate ioctl for device
[09:07] <simba`> xsel: Can't open display: (null)
[09:07] <simba`> : Inappropriate ioctl for devic'
[09:08] <simba`> did i just paste system messages into irc
[09:09] <simba`> or is that only visible to em
[09:09] <simba`> me
[09:09] <konimex> you just did paste system messages into irc
[09:10] <simba`> ok that is accident
[09:10] <simba`> i restart
[09:20] <symba> ok commented .profile restarted now logged in
[09:23] <symba> ok did some bisection debuggery
[09:24] <symba> the --experimerimental-instant-mode of a plugin broke my stuff
[09:24] <symba> of coruse
[09:24] <Butterfly_> it's experimental for a reason :)
[09:25]  * symba is a guinea pig
[09:26] <symba> thanks for your attention
[09:26] <symba> gday
[09:51] <Ubuntunewbie> Anybody able to help me with HDMI issue?
[10:05] <hateball> !ask | Ubuntunewbie
[10:09] <Ubuntunewbie> Hateball Andre Bergli Vatne
[10:10] <Ubuntunewbie> Police is investigating you. So you know. So please Feck off. Go and rape another 68 year old women, again. Forgot to take your GHB today?
[10:11] <Ubuntunewbie> And get the feck out off the comments fields on Youtube, get a life beyond dope mf.
[10:13] <TJ-> !coc | Ubuntunewbie
[10:13] <ducasse> Ubuntunewbie: please stop that, stick to support
[10:14] <Ubuntunewbie> So get rid of the stalker mentioned then. I am here to get help, get rid of the troll.
[10:14] <hateball> Uh, ok
[10:14] <hateball> At least we get all sorts, that's something
[10:16] <Ubuntunewbie> Hateball troll stalker, get rid of that guy. and all the other profiles he has online here.
[10:16] <confluency> Ubuntunewbie: stop it.
[10:16] <Ubuntunewbie> probably a bunch of them.
[10:29] <laptop> hello do anyone know of a program that translates pdf to mp3 files
[10:31] <holloway_> quit
[10:33] <dwh> ?
[10:33] <dwh> 11
[10:38] <hateball> laptop: you want a text-to-speech-to-mp3-file application?
[10:39] <laptop> yes
[10:39] <laptop> yes one that does that immediately is free and has no limits on amount of characters
[10:39] <JimBuntu> laptop, does it require OCR as well for PDF text that is in image form?
[10:40] <laptop> yes or we can do text format like rtf
[10:41] <dbugger> Hello everyone
[10:41] <JimBuntu> laptop, I'm not aware of a single application which does all of this. I have used pdf2txt (PDFMiner) quite a bit in the past to grab the text from a PDF.
[10:41] <dbugger> Can someone help me how to install docker-compose v 1.11? I cant seem to install nothing beyond 1.8 for some reason
[10:42] <laptop> there are programs for windows
[10:44] <hateball> laptop: I don't think there's a single program to do this, you'd need to OCR the PDF then feed into a text-to-speech engine, and record that to a file of desired format
[10:45] <laptop> okay what program just does text to speech with out me having to record it
[10:46] <hateball> the only one I know of is festival
[10:46] <JimBuntu> pico2wave
[10:46] <hateball> !info festival
[10:46] <JimBuntu> !info svox
[10:46] <JimBuntu> !info pico2wave
[10:47] <JimBuntu> !info libttspico-utils
[10:48] <Hachi> This place dead?
[10:49] <JimBuntu> living dead
[10:50] <Hachi> lol
[10:50] <JimBuntu> Hachi, this channel picks up in about 2 hours
[10:50] <hateball> Europeans are lunching, Americans are sleeping
[10:52] <Hachi> Time zones, eh :/
[10:53] <TJ-> It just means the folks awake right now don't keep breaking their systems :)
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> lol
[10:53] <Hachi> True
[10:56] <budfox> Hi, I can't turn off write protection on my USB. Deleting files, attempting to format etc. in Windows 10 gives me "The disk is write protected".
[10:56] <budfox> I suspect this is due to me running SDelete (https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/sdelete) and cancelling the operation before it finished, as there's now a large SDELTEMP file on the USB.
[10:56] <budfox> There is no "Security" setting in "Properties" where I can turn off write protection, so I attempted to remove the write protection through RegEdit -- https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-hardware/usb-flash-drive-prompts-with-write-protected/2012d40c-7d90-4967-b2c2-2d67c08561e2) -- but to no avail.
[10:56] <budfox> I also tried Linux: https://askubuntu.com/a/571340 -- unfortunately that failed too: hthttps://gist.github.com/dt1973/77eb6512261e580dfc5e220e115ab3f6
[10:56] <budfox> Anyone?
[10:58] <JimBuntu> !patience | budfox
[10:58] <budfox> hehe
[10:58] <budfox> thanks JimBuntu :)
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> budfox: what kind of usb brand would that be, did you try format with gparted yet?
[10:59] <budfox> lotuspsychje: no idea, it's this mockup of a real cut off usb cable.. the thing is rubber and says "MER" in bold white
[10:59] <budfox> and inside it is this little usb pen with no brand name on it
[11:00] <budfox> lotuspsychje: have not tried gparted yet, no :)
[11:00] <JimBuntu> budfox, I noticed that you tried to blank the partition via dd, instead of blanking the device as a whole. Have you tried `dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=4k && sync`
[11:00] <user__> maela
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> !english | user__
[11:03] <budfox> JimBuntu: very nice catch! cheers!
[11:03] <budfox> will try that right after gparted
[11:05] <laptop> https://www.zamzar.com/convert/pdf-to-mp3/#
[11:08] <budfox> Nope, even gparted is giving me read-only errors. I think it's time to trash this usb
[11:09] <budfox> buy a new one for 99c lol
[11:09] <budfox> my friend who owns it ain't gonna like it though. i better be ready to defend against any hits to the face :D
[11:10] <budfox> shame, was a nice looking usb..
[11:10] <mojtaba> Hello, I have created a service for autossh, http://paste.debian.net/1020536/, but when I reload systemctl daemon and restart the service, I got the following status: received signal to exit (15)  Do you know what could be wrong?
[11:13] <jc2130> Sup
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> budfox: you still need data from it?
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> !support | jc2130 is up
[11:15] <beefjoe> Any estimate on when will 18 LTS be released ?
[11:15] <beefjoe> should be during April, but anything more specific ?
[11:15] <oerheks> beefjoe, yes, see the bionic page, 26th
[11:15] <EriC^^> beefjoe: april 26 i think
[11:16] <beefjoe> I see, thanks
[11:16] <beefjoe> didn't notice an exact date..
[11:16] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule
[11:17] <beefjoe> awesome
[11:17] <beefjoe> I guess it'd be better to install 18 rather than update from 16.04
[11:17] <EriC^^> beefjoe: yup
[11:17] <confluency> Why?
[11:17] <confluency> LTS to LTS should be fine.
[11:18] <beefjoe> there's the whole unity gnome thing..
[11:18] <confluency> That shouldn't have any impact on the upgrade.
[11:18] <beefjoe> hmm
[11:18] <confluency> It isn't going to change your installed DE; as far as I know the Unity package is still active.
[11:19] <beefjoe> btw are we going to get the community theme ?
[11:19] <beefjoe> like default
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> confluency: update is reccomended on 18.04.1
[11:25] <oerheks> not all features should be revealed, let ubuntu surprise you :-D
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> beefjoe: community theme will be downloadable as a snap
[11:27] <Cheez> how many years into LTS until amd support 18.04 with amdgpu?
[11:27] <Cheez> I'm going to estimate 3
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> !lts | Cheez
[11:36] <oleg> Hello, is it will be problem if i will try update from 16 lts to 18 lts? Did any one update in this way?
[11:36] <Cheez> i was being facetious, lotuspsychje. amd still don't support 16.04 properly with amdgpu. :)
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> oleg: we reccomend updating in june, when 18.04.1 comes out
[11:36] <linuxconformer> is it possible to use different keys for ssh?
[11:36] <leftyfb> oleg: There is no version 16 or 18. If you're referring to 18.04 and 16.04, 18.04 is no released yet. Once it is released later this morning, yes, upgrading from 16.04 to 18.04 should be easy enough.
[11:37] <beefjoe> hehe
[11:37] <beefjoe> thanks guys <3
[11:37] <leftyfb> linuxconformer: what do you mean?
[11:38] <oleg> leftyfb, sorry for mistakes i mean 16.04 and 18.04, ok thanks for information
[11:38] <linuxconformer> leftyfb: if i'm a freelancer, but also have my own projects, how can i use different SSH keypairs depending on the work i'm doing
[11:38] <u0_a158> i'm training a linux
[11:38] <beefjoe> leftyfb later this morning ?
[11:38] <linuxconformer> (i.e. can i switch between different key pairs depending on whether i'm doing freelance work or my own)
[11:39] <leftyfb> linuxconformer: just upload the public key you want to use to the remote device and use the local private key that goes with it
[11:39] <leftyfb> linuxconformer: man ssh_config
[11:39] <leftyfb> beefjoe: oops
[11:39] <leftyfb> beefjoe: goes to show you I'm not fully awake this morning :)
[11:39] <u0_a158> hoho
[11:40] <linuxconformer> leftyfb: i'm already using ssh, but i want to create a different key pair for my freelance client
[11:40] <u0_a158> oh
[11:40] <leftyfb> linuxconformer: yes, you already said that. And I told you what to do above
[11:41] <linuxconformer> leftyfb: oh, are public keys different depending on the remote?
[11:41] <u0_a158> do you have a connect vpn with kali?
[11:41] <leftyfb> linuxconformer: only if you want them to be
[11:41] <linuxconformer> leftyfb: cool, didn't know that was possible. thanks
[11:41] <u0_a158> oh ok
[11:41] <leftyfb> !kali | u0_a158
[11:42] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb, Ubuntu 18.04 is still on the schedule for release on 26th of April. Not today
[11:42] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: yes, as noted, it was my mistake
[11:42] <u0_a158> what about issue in ubuntu?
[11:42] <leftyfb> u0_a158: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[11:43] <u0_a158> ubuntu latesd version
[11:43] <leftyfb> u0_a158: what about it?
[11:43] <pragmaticenigma> u0_a158, Do you have support questions specific to Ubuntu?
[11:44] <u0_a158> Hmm bug from gnome
[11:44] <u0_a158> my ubuntu it's a laggy
[11:46] <u0_a158> issue ubuntu a launchpad bug
[11:46] <leftyfb> u0_a158: which bug?
[11:47] <pragmaticenigma> u0_a158, Please ask your question upfront, all on one line. Be direct in your question, and put as much information as you can on one line.
[11:49] <u0_a158> if you already know about gnome bug, many user ubuntu 17.10 complained about it
[11:50] <beefjoe> xD
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> afternoon cfhowlett
[11:52] <cfhowlett> evening lotuspsychje
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> :p
[11:55] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, I grabbed the communitheme for 18.04 but it was no go as Ubuntustudio is built on xfce not gnome
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: ah
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: studio still supported properly as you know?
[11:58] <cfhowlett> of course.
[11:59] <cfhowlett> it actually used to be gnomebased as well.  when unity was adopted, it switched to xfce.
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: will it release bionic too?
[11:59] <cfhowlett> I inquired, but there seems to be little interest in switching back.
[11:59] <cfhowlett> yes bionic is coming
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> neat
[12:01] <TJ-> ubuntustudio 18.04 won't be LTS though
[12:02] <cfhowlett> eh?  what?
[12:02] <TJ-> According to the lead developer in #ubuntu-devel a few days ago
[12:02] <cfhowlett> ?!  the h 3 7 7 ?
[12:02] <TJ-> Apparently insufficient developers to provide long term support
[12:03] <TJ-> I'll try to find the log of it
[12:03] <cfhowlett> news to me.  xubuntu will be LTS and US is built on xubuntu.  confusing.
[12:03] <cfhowlett> thanks TJ-
[12:03] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:05] <TJ-> #ubuntu-release.weechatlog:2018-04-12 18:04:50     ErichEickmeyer  infinity, slangasek: The response has been overall in favor of Ubuntu Studio not being LTS this time around. Unfortunate, but until we can drum-up the manpower, that's kindof where we're at. :/
[12:05] <cfhowlett> daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang.
[12:05] <cfhowlett> sad.  Oh well, 16.04 is LTS and I can always switch back to ubuntu
[12:05] <JimBuntu> Welcome to the world of FOSS
[12:05] <TJ-> contribute some manpower :)
[12:07]  * TJ- has a full time occupation simply reporting/triaging bugs :p
[12:21] <mjayk> 1
[12:26] <resc_051b3_3205> hello. can anybody help me fixing my dualboot? :(
[12:26] <lotuspsychje> !dualboot | resc_051b3_3205
[12:27] <f00> hello how can i set an older kernelversion to boot as default ? edited /etc/default/grub to GRUB_DEFAULT=saved and GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT=true but still boots the kernel that i dont want
[12:28] <resc_051b3_3205> i deleted the whole linux partition and now im not able to boot. i tried to solve the issue using rescatux but im not able to fix it
[12:28] <exarkun> f00: You probably have to run some command to install the new config.
[12:28] <f00> plus i tried to set i.e. GRUB_DEFAULT=3 but its for the first boot options. it does the memtest. the kernel choice is in a submenu
[12:28] <exarkun> Anyone know if a _good-quality_ driver for "Edimax Technology Co., Ltd EW-7811Un 802.11n Wireless Adapter [Realtek RTL8188CUS]" for Xenial?  (Or correct configuration options for one of the obvious driver choices to make it work well?)  Most recent information I can find suggests rtl8xxxu should be a good driver for it - but this driver only negotiates 1Mbit/sec rate.
[12:29] <f00> after i edited /etc/default/grub i ran sudo update-grub
[12:30] <exarkun> f00: How about using the `grub-set-default` command?
[12:30] <f00> i hear for the first time...ill try
[12:30] <resc_051b3_3205> :(
[12:31] <JimBuntu> resc_051b3_3205, live-boot & Testdisk?
[12:32] <lotuspsychje> exarkun: those realtek and ralink always a pain to find right firmware..is your system up to date to latest?
[12:32] <Indicium> Hello Hello, any good alternative to ncdu file manager ? something a bit more robust ?
[12:32] <f00> i guess i dont need the entry GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT=true
[12:33] <f00> just GRUB_DEFAULT=saved
[12:33] <f00> right?
[12:33] <resc_051b3_3205> @ jimbuntu im now in the rescatux gui i tried many things but not able to boot at all. do i need to
[12:33] <resc_051b3_3205> gparted a new swap partition?
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> Indicium: perhaps more luck, if you specify what you search and what you need it to be able to do?
[12:33] <exarkun> lotuspsychje: it's definitely not running the latest everything.  It's actually 14.04 w/ xenial kernel installed.
[12:33] <JimBuntu> resc_051b3_3205, Have you made an image of the device yet?
[12:34] <exarkun> lotuspsychje: I'm always terrified of losing 2-3 days to a distro upgrade.
[12:34] <lotuspsychje> exarkun: i would go play around with latest iso's and try different kernels with linux-firmware installed
[12:34] <Indicium> lotuspsychje ncdu works fine to look for dir size and remove big files/not needed, but gotta go dir by dir
[12:34] <Indicium> would like to have a full view ( on the terminal )
[12:35] <resc_051b3_3205> @Jimbuntu: i got dual boot with ubuntu and win7. yesterday i deleted all linux partitions. i burn the rescatux image on dvd. im in the gui of it now
[12:35] <exarkun> f00: According to the docs, `GRUB_DEFAULT=saved` seems like it should work, yes.  Can't say if that's true or not from personal experience.
[12:35] <f00> okay
[12:36] <resc_051b3_3205> @jimbuntu: i restored the windows mbr yet
[12:36] <JimBuntu> resc_051b3_3205, I'm not familiar with rescatux
[12:36] <resc_051b3_3205> i downloaded the knoppix image too but i dont know how to fix it there
[12:38] <resc_051b3_3205> @jimbuntu:  i downloaded the knoppix image too but i dont know how to fix it there. do you now such another solution?
[12:39] <JimBuntu> resc_051b3_3205, I am sorry that I will not be able to walk you through this. I suggest you read the following page completely before continuing. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery
[12:39] <resc_051b3_3205> @JimBuntu: okay thanks
[12:43] <f00> exarkun: it works. but just for the first menu. 0 start linux x64 with xfce. 1 advanced option. 2 memtest. 3 memtest. the kernels are in a submenu under 1 advanced options
[12:43] <f00> and there i have to choose the kernel
[12:44] <tyamur> hi all. My problem. I,m load liveusb iso. But dmesg print usbdisconect and after squfs read block error.
[12:46] <tyamur> google don,t suarch my questen
[12:47] <tyamur> sorry my english, a,m bad hnow
[12:47] <tyamur> know
[13:05] <beefjoe> nah
[13:05] <altin> Does anyone know if there is a known issue regarding nvidia gtx 1050 driver on ubuntu 16.04 ?
[13:06] <altin> i installed the recommended driver, but when I switch to intel with prime-select, the screen freezes on dm
[13:10] <koshaan> hello there
[13:13] <Ool> altin: how do you install the driver ? I have one and it's work fine with the nvidia driver (not sure about the version)
[13:14] <altin> Ool, I tried GUI install via aditional drivers and also ubuntu-drivers autoinstall which I believe it is the same!?
[13:15] <altin> Nvidia persistence daemon fails to start
[13:15] <altin> when I switch to intel
[13:15] <Ool> oh you use a laptop with optimus
[13:16] <Ool> I don't know, but perhaps it's not the right way to install the driver with ubuntu-drivers
[13:18] <Ool> altin: perhaps you need to use a ppa for the driver
[13:18] <Ool> altin: https://www.pcsuggest.com/nvidia-optimus-ubuntu/
[13:23] <Pinkamena_D> Hello, I have unity package installed on ubuntu 17.10. I also have ccsm installed. When I try to enable or disable any plugin on compiz, the desktop flickers for a second, and the box reverts to its previous state. I am guessing there is some permission problem somewhere or something, but running ccsm in the terminal does not show any errors.
[13:31] <the_drow> Hi everyone, for some reason I can't seem to switch languages anymore using the super+space shortcut
[13:31] <the_drow> I can switch through the UI just fine
[13:31] <the_drow> Has anyone encountered the same issue
[13:33] <TheGrumpyScot> Q. Re. bond and netplan. After applying a configuration where two thernet ports are bonded, the bond gains the ip address correctly however one of the two ethernet ports gains the same ip address. Is this expected behaviour?
[13:33] <leftyfb> the_drow: which version of ubuntu?
[13:35] <the_drow> 17.10
[13:36] <the_drow> leftyfb, This used to work when I upgraded to 17.10 but now it doesn't and I haven't done anything except restarting the computer
[13:37] <leftyfb> the_drow: did you check the keyboard bindings?
[13:37] <the_drow> I did
[13:37] <the_drow> It says Super+Space to switch
[13:37] <oleg> I hope in 18.04 lts will be no issues with bios, because I got lenovo thinkpad and don't really want to have some problem with bios.
[13:38] <leftyfb> the_drow: looks to see if anything else has just "Super" bound
[13:42] <TJ-> TheGrumpyScot: No
[13:43] <TJ-> TheGrumpyScot: it's worth checking what config netplan generated. Is it for Network Manager or systemd-networkd?
[13:43] <TheGrumpyScot> TJ-: networkd
[13:44] <TJ-> TheGrumpyScot: check the generated config files at /run/systemd/network/ to help determine what netplan is doing. If might be a bug.
[13:44] <the_drow>  leftyfb there isn't
[13:44] <TheGrumpyScot> TJ-: it was a hand-generated netplan yaml file however - though I've tested on on a different server and it works flawlessly; ah.. yes, good point- cheers
[13:45] <birdman> Hello. I am experiencing an issue with an ubuntu server
[13:46] <skinux> What's the command for checking permissions on whole directory hierarchy?
[13:47] <birdman> It does not allow me to download any program or package
[13:48] <leftyfb> birdman: what version of ubuntu?
[13:49] <leftyfb> skinux: ls?
[13:49] <leftyfb> skinux: or find / exec ls
[13:50] <skinux> Isn't there a command line uname -i or something?
[13:50] <prohobo> .ping
[13:51] <leftyfb> skinux: uname tells you the kernel
[13:51] <skinux> I'm having trouble with file not found by PHP via nGinx, permissions all look right, and server configuration seems correct.
[13:51] <leftyfb> !op | prohobo
[13:51] <skinux> So, I'm trying to nail down that permissions are indeed correct
[13:51] <TJ-> skinux: do you want view rthem, or search for differences from what you expect?
[13:53] <leftyfb> prohobo: please stop posting ".ping"
[13:55] <birdman> Does any of you know how to fix following problem: E: No se han podido descargar algunos archivos de índice, se han omitido, o se han                                                          utilizado unos antiguos en su lugar.?
[13:55] <leftyfb> birdman: what version of ubuntu?
[13:56] <TJ-> birdman: what does "cat /etc/issue" report?
[13:56] <Yaser> Hello
[13:56] <ghostnik11> hey for some reason when i plug in an micro sd card in the sd card converter and plugged into my computer it says i don't have read and write access but that same micro sd card plugged into a micro sd card usb reader has read and write access? how can i change it so that i have read and write acess when i plug in the sd card?
[13:57] <birdman> TJ:
[13:57] <birdman> Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS \n \l
[13:57] <leftyfb> birdman: do you have that error message in English?
[13:57] <Yaser> I can't use bluetooth in my laptop Acer aspire E5-573g
[13:57] <Pici> prohobo: Can you please use another channel for that. join ##prohobo if you need or something.
[13:58] <birdman> lftyfb: No, I don't
[13:59] <leftyfb> !es | birdman
[14:00] <birdman> It says (my translation) "Some indez files could not be downloaded, have been omited or older have been used
[14:00] <leftyfb> birdman: we would want the entire message copy/pasted to pastebin in English
[14:00] <SimonNL> E: Some index files could not be downloaded, have been omitted, or old ones used instead.
[14:00] <leftyfb> birdman: otherwise, you can try #ubuntu-es
[14:01] <birdman> Error is E: Some index files could not be downloaded, have been omitted, or old ones used instead.
[14:01] <SimonNL> ^ google translate
[14:01] <leftyfb> SimonNL: I get it, but we're not going to sit here and pass every message through google translate.
[14:01] <leftyfb> birdman: that's what #ubuntu-es is for
[14:01] <birdman> Thanks, SimonNL
[14:01] <SimonNL> yes I'm am to nice
[14:02] <birdman> If you can help me with the answer, I apply it. No more messages in spanish I will type. I'm sorry
[14:02] <leftyfb> birdman: we would want the entire output of 'sudo apt-get update' copy/pasted to pastebin in English
[14:03] <geirha> export LANGUAGE=en LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8
[14:04] <Yaser> Hello. I can't find bluetooth adaptor in my laptop Acer aspire E5-573g, Can any one help me please?
[14:05] <TJ-> Yaser: are you sure it has a physical Bluetooth device? Has it worked previously?
[14:06] <Yaser> Yes I use it in windows 10 without ant problem
[14:07] <TJ-> birdman: show us "pastebinit <( sudo LANGUAGE=en_GB.UTF-8 apt update )"
[14:07] <leftyfb> oo, fancy
[14:07] <skinux> TJ: I want to know why  PHP or nGinx keeps saying file not found, when it's there.
[14:07] <TJ-> Yaser: That's good - we've had situations where the user believed there was a BT adapter fitted but it turned out it was only an option
[14:07] <leftyfb> skinux: try #ubuntu-server
[14:07] <skinux> It seems to be a permission issue, so I'm trying to verify
[14:08] <TJ-> skinux: maybe the path leading up to the file doesn't have +X traverse permissions for the nginx user ?
[14:08] <leftyfb> skinux: by default, when installed properly, nginx/php will work out of the box. So if you're getting a permission issue, you're doing something wrong.
[14:08] <skinux> Well, I'm using /var/www/html as web root
[14:09] <skinux> So, /var/www/html has default permissions, while directories/files under it are 755/644
[14:09] <leftyfb> skinux: have you tried just a simple phpinfo.php?
[14:10] <skinux> Yes, it works
[14:10] <Yaser> TJ: What can I do to use bluetooth in Ubuntu?
[14:10] <skinux> It has user/group root:root
[14:10] <leftyfb> skinux: and the php file you're testing is in the exact same location with the exact same permissions?
[14:10] <prohobo> .ping
[14:10] <skinux> But, I"m sure nginx/php aren't running under root
[14:11] <skinux>  Well /var/www/html/phpinfo.php my project is at /var/www/html/wasob/index.php
[14:11] <skinux> Maybe I should just adjust web root to /web/
[14:11] <leftyfb> skinux: try putting index.pho in /var/www/html to test and give it the exact same permissions as phpinfo.php
[14:12] <skinux> It won't work, it requires the rest of the files
[14:12] <leftyfb> skinux: so in order to fix a problem you have no idea about, you're suggesting making things more complicated?
[14:12] <TJ-> Yaser: find out which bus it is on, usually that'll be either PCI ("lspci -nnk") or USB ("lsusb") then identify the driver. Quickest is to check kernel log ("dmesg") for the BT device being discovered. Show us "pastebinit <( uanme -a; cat /etc/issue; lspci -nnk; lsusb; dmesg )"
[14:12] <skinux> It is a WordPress site, just moving index.php won't do it
[14:12] <Pici> .ping
[14:12] <skinux> I'm just trying to make sure permissions are right
[14:12] <TJ-> Pici: thank you!
[14:12] <leftyfb> Pici: :P
[14:12] <Pici> (just testing to see if a bot responded)
[14:14] <the_drow> leftyfb, ping
[14:29] <pitox> ciao
[14:30] <pitox> avete il live cd del free dos
[14:30] <pitox> ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[14:30] <leftyfb> !it | pitox
[14:34] <lhb_> hi. i have a mainboard with intel 211 ethernet. ubuntu network manager says connectoin failed, activation of network connection failed. tries several cables, they work on different computer with realtek chip. what can i do to find out what's wrong?
[14:35] <lhb_> there don't seem to be any error messages in dmesg concerning the ethernet. modprobe has "igp" loaded, i blacklisted e1000e to see if that was a problem
[14:38] <oerheks> looking at forum posts, that intel i211 needs the IGB driver?
[14:39] <oerheks> are you sure the igb driver is loaded, did you add a kernel line http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man4/if_igb.4freebsd.html or add it to grub bootline  if_igb_load="YES"
[14:41] <lhb_> mh. so if lsmod shows it, it might still not be loaded=
[14:41] <lhb_> ?
[14:42] <lhb_> i will try this
[14:46] <Noob86> Hello, I am trying to learn some basic stuff using wget. Anyone around that can help me out?
[14:46] <Buck> Noob86: what is your quest
[14:46] <Buck> ion
[14:47] <Noob86> Hey Bucks, thanks for responding. Well.. I just learned how to use wget with bash to download an iso via http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/ (for example) and what I want to do now is
[14:48] <Noob86> create or use a string to download a specific version. For example: If I want to download Ubuntu 16.10, I want to be able to type 16.10 in the terminal and then the script should be able to download that version just by using what I typed in (16.10)
[14:48] <lhb_> oerheks, i added the line to grub and update-grub update-initramfs, still the same problem. lshw -C Network looks ok, it sees the adapters and network manager notices when cable is plugged in.
[14:49] <lhb_> :(
[14:49] <Buck> Noob86: what you're asking for is magic!
[14:49] <Buck> Noob86: luckily, magic is possible. Are you using Bash ?
[14:50] <Noob86> Heh... maybe I understood it wrong. My wife works in informatics and is trying to teach me a thing or two about scripting. Not sure I understood what she wants to see though... yes I'm using bash.
[14:50] <Buck> oh, does she want you to figure it out yourself?
[14:51] <Noob86> Yeah but by all means necessary (irc, forum, chat we)
[14:51] <Buck> Noob86: have a look at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-8.html -- specifically the functions with parameters bit
[14:51] <Noob86> I have absolutely no scripting experience, just trying to learn a thing or two (I managed to created a script that outputs "hello world" just yesterday lol)
[14:52] <Noob86> Thx Buck, will do right now.
[14:53] <Buck> Noob86: you don't necessarily need a function to do what you want: http://how-to.wikia.com/wiki/How_to_read_command_line_arguments_in_a_bash_script
[14:53] <eury_> is there a way to enable the thumbnail previews eos loki? in ubuntu 17.10 i manage to fix this issue, but not in eos loki.
[14:53] <eury_> can't access settings for nautilus in elementary os.
[14:54] <leftyfb> !elementary | eury_
[14:55] <Noob86> Hey Buck, reading the link right now (and trying to understand it). :-)
[14:56] <eury_> @leftyfb. i don't get the response in that channel like i get here.
[14:56] <leftyfb> Noob86: I would write a single script that pulls in the command line argument as a variable to pass to the wget. But then create bash aliases for each version of ubuntu to call the script <version>
[14:57] <leftyfb> eury_: The issue is, they support Elementary OS, we do not.
[14:57] <eury_> but it's based on ubuntu.
[14:58] <Noob86> @leftyfb Can you show me an example of this please? The only thing I have been able to do so far is:
[14:58] <Noob86> #!/bin/bash  # www.ubuntu.com # a shell script to download Ubuntu for Nicki  wget "http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/16.04.3/ubuntu-16.04.3-desktop-i386.iso"
[14:58] <leftyfb> eury_: so are lots of other distro's. We can't be expected to support everything out there. There's no telling what's changed in the derivative
[14:58] <eury_> okay.
[14:58] <lhb_> qQ
[14:59] <leftyfb> Noob86: that is partially ok. I would read the man page for wget and learn how to output the file to a specific location
[15:00] <leftyfb> Noob86: next step is to change the URL to include variables for the version
[15:00] <Noob86> Is there any way to post a commands or a terminal output here in a proper way? Like a terminal box or something so it looks right?
[15:00] <leftyfb> Noob86: so instead of 16.04.3, you have a varaible
[15:00] <leftyfb> Noob86: pastebin
[15:00] <Noob86> thx
[15:01] <new0> hi everyone, i have a problem with samba. every time i am trying to access it from Windows7 it's a different problem...
[15:01] <leftyfb> Noob86: you can also install pastebinit which will allow you to paste output from commands directly to pastebin
[15:02] <Noob86> Sweet, thanks! Good to know. Going to try https://pastebin.com/ right now.
[15:02] <new0> also, i am getting very different of error messages when i boot up my system.. "Ubuntu" Sorry, Ubuntu 14.04 has experienced an internal error.
[15:02] <new0> any troubleshooting i can do?
[15:03] <Noob86> Ah btw, what do you mean by "output the file to a specific location"? Locally? I know there are additional... parameters (?)... that I can use with wget like -O and -P to change where wget downloads stuff and change its initial filename. Is that what you mean?
[15:05] <leftyfb> Noob86: correct
[15:06] <Noob86> Ok nice, tried that a few minutes ago and it worked right off the bat. Been playing around with echo and read as well.. hold on.. lemme show you.
[15:06] <leftyfb> Noob86: try variables
[15:07] <leftyfb> Noob86: but, as much as I love teaching this sort of thing, you should be asking in #bash
[15:08] <zamanf> how should I format a sdcard to be readable by both ubuntu and android and support files larger than 4gb?
[15:08] <Noob86> Oh kk, no prob. I didn't know there was a channel for bash specifically. I'll head over there right now and see how it goes. Thanks you two, you guys are great!
[15:09] <leftyfb> zamanf: FAT32
[15:09] <zamanf> FAT 32 doesnt support big files
[15:09] <zamanf> I am surprised you don't know that
[15:09] <leftyfb> zamanf: sorry, in the middle of a meeting, missed the last part :)
[15:10] <leftyfb> zamanf: ntfs
[15:10] <zamanf> oh
[15:10] <zamanf> ok
[15:13] <new0> any solution?
[15:24] <mdm_> test
[15:36] <lotuspsychje> new0: when you get errors like that, you can unfold details to see what crashed exactly
[15:40] <Bundestrojaner> good evening. How can i grant my user acces to /dev/rfcomm0?
[15:40] <Bundestrojaner> some google-hits say group bluetooth, some say group dialout. I added my user to both, still "permission denied". Do i have to re-login or reboot?
[15:41] <TJ-> Bundestrojaner: check the ownership/permissions with "ls -l /dev/rfcomm0" and set the user account accordingly
[15:42] <jjbuggle> how do I make the resize grips larger?  They seem like a mere pixel wide, and I would like them larger.  I'm running xubuntu and xubuntu vm
[15:43] <TJ-> jjbuggle: that's been a bit of a bug-bear for a while; if I recall correctly it's down to the theme definitions
[15:43] <Pinkamena_D> Hello, I have unity package installed on ubuntu 17.10. I also have ccsm installed. When I try to enable or disable any plugin on compiz, the desktop flickers for a second, and the box reverts to its previous state. I am guessing there is some permission problem somewhere or something, but running ccsm in the terminal does not show any errors.
[15:44] <Bundestrojaner> TJ-: crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 216, 0 Apr 16 17:34 /dev/rfcomm0 - so it's dialout.
[15:44] <Bundestrojaner> do i have to re-login for a new group to take effect?
[15:44] <TJ-> Bundestrojaner: yes
[15:44] <Bundestrojaner> TJ-: Thx for your help :)
[15:45] <lotuspsychje> Pinkamena_D: after setting a ccsm setting, have you tried a reboot that is also known problem on some plugins
[15:45] <jjbuggle> TJ-: I hate this.  I think you are right, but it is confusing.  I just want \it to work, and I've found a bug report where upstream is being an a-hole
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> Pinkamena_D: like in the past if i enabled wobbly windows, got system hang and needed reboot first
[15:50] <Pinkamena_D> The system has been rebooted and I tried it again, the problem remains
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> Pinkamena_D: ok, how about starting ccsm from terminal, see if you can find usefull errors, perhaps also load a tail -f /var/log/syslog while you playing around
[15:53] <comoseabien> Hello everyone!
[15:54] <Orbitor> hello
[15:54] <lotuspsychje> comoseabien: welcome to ubuntu support, how can we help you?
[15:55] <comoseabien> I just had one question, I don't know if this is the right place.
[15:56] <Orbitor> comseabien: If it's about ubuntu 14.04, 16.04, or 17.10, this is the right place.
[15:56] <comoseabien> I've recently installed Ubuntu Mate 18.04 beta 2, when the LTS comes out, would I be able to upgrade to that one? is that recommended? or a clean install
[15:57] <lotuspsychje> !final | comoseabien
[15:58] <comoseabien> Will do, thank you very much.
[15:58] <comoseabien> Is this the porpuse of the chat?
[15:59] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | comoseabien feel free to join us
[16:02] <peter2222> hi folks!
[16:02] <peter2222> anybody familiar with swami soundfont editing?
[16:03] <leftyfb> peter2222: try #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:03] <manjaro-user--> manjaro is much better than ubuntu
[16:03] <peter2222> thank you leftyfb
[16:04] <leftyfb> manjaro-user--: please troll elsewhere
[16:04] <nicomachus> manjaro-user--: thanks for the opinion. feel free to share it in the manjaro channel.
[16:06] <MoonManT> has the tool netstat and net-tools been replaced by something else? what tool should i use now for checking open ports on my system?
[16:07] <KeyboardNotFound> Can I install ubuntu on Mac computers ?
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> !mac | KeyboardNotFound yes
[16:08] <KeyboardNotFound> lotuspsychje: this looks like really old guide, what about newer models ?
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> KeyboardNotFound: we have users confirming installing xenial and bionic on macs recently
[16:10] <KeyboardNotFound> lotuspsychje: does all mac hardware work good with ubuntu ?
[16:10] <KeyboardNotFound> and can I dual boot
[16:10] <KeyboardNotFound> or I have to delete the mac os ?
[16:10] <JimBuntu> KeyboardNotFound, some web cam issues and I think there was a display issue for rather "old" iMacs
[16:10] <KeyboardNotFound> ok, thank you :)
[16:10] <JimBuntu> KeyboardNotFound, you can multi-boot. Check out reFind
[16:12] <JimBuntu> Keep the refind installer handy, the recent macOS updates have a tendency to stop it from working, so you have to boot into macOS (only choice) and re-run it. In my case, it's always found the old config and is basically a 1 minute task.
[16:24] <MoonManT> what program should i use to check for open/listening ports on my local computer? has netstat and nettools been replaced by something newer?
[16:25] <leftyfb> MoonManT: nmap
[16:25] <leftyfb> and lsof
[16:25] <pragmaticenigma> MoonManT, those are still the tried and true libraries for local network probing
[16:36] <TJ-> MoonManT: 'ss'
[16:37] <mkal001> hey guys..i am on ubuntu 18.04 beta .when i tried to install build essential ,the process is asking me to mount some disc .PLz tell me what to do
[16:37] <TJ-> MoonManT: 'ss' can do things like 'ss -tnlp sport = 80' to report services listening on source port 80 (HTTP)
[16:38] <ducasse> !18.04 | mkal001
[16:39] <leftyfb> TJ-: wouldn't lsof be better for that?
[16:39] <leftyfb> since it tells you the exact service/PID
[16:39] <TJ-> well the question was about a successor to netstat, which is what ss is
[16:53] <Vic2> Hello ... new to Ubuntu 16.04, longtime 14.04 user here ... I tried to install nginx and failed.  Any suggestions please?  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/s95jTk2m8t/
[16:55] <Bashing-om> Vic2: "and 179 not upgraded." Try ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ' then try nginx install again .
[16:57] <Vic2> Bashing-om: discovered that apache was running on system.  Removed it and seemingly all is fine now.  But that leads to the question of how to install both ?
[16:58] <Bashing-om> Vic2: 1st order is to get that system updated to current packageing. then see if there are then any issues .
[16:58] <TJ-> Vic2: have then bind to different interfaces/IP-address/port combinations, or run 1 as a proxy in front of the other
[16:59] <TJ-> s/then/them/
[17:03] <black_13_> when i try to set up openssh i get the following errors https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xvPPS5ppQS/
[17:05] <Fleetwood> Well i had this computer for 7-8 years and had a bsd os on it, and i never knew it had a wifi card it because it was never detected mbefore
[17:05] <sgraham_> I need to automount a davfs share on user login. I got this working with fstab but the suggested way of mounting is to use the rc.local file.  This is not working and requires the user to log in a second time for those shares. I need a pam authentication module for davfs but i cant seem to find one.
[17:05] <Fleetwood> i just install ubuntu and it detected the wifi card, yes i am happy
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> !yay | Fleetwood
[17:12] <Fleetwood> lotuspsychje: yes thank you
[18:09] <Buanka> Hey guys, anyone out there can give me a hand?  I got Ubuntu 16.04 and the disks aplication stopped opening.. cant find anything on forums about it
[18:10] <Buanka> (19:09:22) Buanka: Hey guys, anyone out there can give me a hand?  I got Ubuntu 16.04 and the disks aplication stopped opening.. cant find anything on forums about it
[18:12] <tgm4883> Buanka: try opening 'gnome-disks' from the command line and see if it throws any errors
[18:15] <Buanka>  tgm4883: Thanks, it worked!  any idea how to get the icon link working again?
[18:16] <tgm4883> Buanka: weird, if you opened it from the cmd line fine, the icon should work
[18:17] <Buanka>  tgm4883: Now it works! ;)
[18:17] <Buanka> thanks
[18:17] <tgm4883> Buanka: weird. I blame Gremlins :)
[18:22] <Buanka> Now i just need to figure out why one of my hd's does not mount automatically every few boots
[18:23] <tgm4883> Buanka: internal HD?
[18:23] <Buanka>  tgm4883: Yes
[18:26] <Buanka>  tgm4883: dual boot with windows 8.1 .. i get a blackout where it doesnt mount the linux disk on the windows environment and same with the windows disk in ubuntu
[18:27] <Buanka>  tgm4883: And in ubuntu instead of the disk icon i get a floppy0
[18:29] <tomreyn> sounds like a hardware issue. you could post the HTTP address returned by "dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999" here if you'd like someone to review your logs.
[18:55] <ice9> which ubuntu core image can run on virtualbox?
[18:56] <jkemppainen> ice9: try these http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/
[19:00] <leftyfb> ice9: https://kyrofa.com/posts/ubuntu-core-on-virtualbox
[19:02] <texla> Using dd to zero a 16gb usb thumb drive: What numbers do I use in bs= and count=
[19:02] <teward> texla: you leave count alone.  bs will vary based on the infrastructure, though I usually use 512 or 1k.
[19:02] <teward> "count" is the number of bs-sized blocks to write, and if you want to write to the entire device you leave count alone and don't specify.
[19:04] <crimson_king> Does higher bs="" mean faster writing to device?
[19:04] <crimson_king> Because if I write an .iso without specifying "bs", it's slow af
[19:06] <leftyfb> texla: why do you need to zero it? Can't just format it?
[19:07] <brainwash> crimson_king: the default value is just too low
[19:08] <texla> leftyfb, Formatting does not erase the data on the disc
[19:08] <leftyfb> texla: sort of
[19:08] <texla> teward, DD want a number in count=
[19:09] <Ben64> don't even use count
[19:10] <texla> leftyfb, When I format then download and install an o/s I have two o/s
[19:10] <Ben64> what?
[19:10] <leftyfb> texla: Then you're doing something wrong
[19:10] <Ben64> how does that relate to the usb drive at all
[19:16] <texla> leftyfb, Using bs=1k and not using count then running blkid no longer shows the sda1 parition is my usb clean
[19:16] <leftyfb> texla: still doesn't mean whatever you were doing was correc
[19:16] <leftyfb> t
[19:18] <texla> leftyfb, sudo dd if/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb1 bs=1k  is this the proper command
[19:19] <leftyfb> texla: nevermind
[19:20] <hio> hi, how do I downgrade my valgrind on 17.10 from 3.13.0 to 3.12.0?
[19:22] <JimBuntu> For clearing an entire block device, I would expect someone to dd the entire device. bs=1k seems like it will be unnecessarily slow, happy to be corrected if I am wrong
[19:23] <texla> JimBuntu, what should I use in bs=
[19:24] <leftyfb> hio: sudo apt install valgrind=<insert version here>
[19:25] <leftyfb> hio: though I doubt it'll be available
[19:25] <hio> E: Version '3.12.0' for 'valgrind' was not found
[19:25] <JimBuntu> texla, You can use 1k, but depending on your system, much larger values may prove faster... like bc=4M
[19:25] <leftyfb> you need the full version
[19:25] <JimBuntu> oops. bs=4M
[19:26] <leftyfb> hio: why do you need to downgrade it?
[19:26] <hio> leftyfb: it has a bug that makes it unusable with qtcreator
[19:26] <JimBuntu> I guess technically, it may be best to use the same size as some multiple of the memory page size?!
[19:27] <JimBuntu> But that's probably me being too picky and trying to save every read-write duty I can
[19:28] <leftyfb> hio: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/valgrind/1:3.12.0~svn20160714-1ubuntu2/+build/10602185 maybe. But that's getting into dirty territory
[19:30] <hio> leftyfb: i already installed it from source
[19:30]  * tomreyn concurs, an unpatched valgrind from ~2 years ago probably does more bad than good.
[19:30] <crimson_king> don't you have to use && sync at the end of the command?
[19:30] <new0> hi everyone, i have a problem with samba. every time i am trying to access it from Windows7 it's a different problem...
[19:31] <new0> also, i am getting very different of error messages when i boot up my system.. "Ubuntu" Sorry, Ubuntu 14.04 has experienced an internal error.
[19:31] <new0> any troubleshooting i can do?
[19:33] <xamithan> Well the first thing I'd do is upgrade to a release that is still supported and see if you get the same errors
[19:33] <ioria> trusty is still supported
[19:33] <xamithan> Oh yeah it is isn't it
[19:33] <tomreyn> new0: about th einternal error, that's a process failing (crashing, segmentation fault) usually. you can check /var/crash for details on the crashes.
[19:33] <ioria> !14.04
[19:34] <new0> tomreyn, tnx.
[19:34] <ioria> new0, you can have a look in /var/crash
[19:35] <tomreyn> new0: you can show your system log to us, if you like: dmesg -T | nc termbin.com 9999    # and post the address returned here.
[19:35] <new0> ioria, i am looking and seeing varies files
[19:35] <JimBuntu> crimson_king, you don't "have to", but you don't want to yank the drive before the system has synced at some point. I manually sync after long flashdrive operations... flash/sd/whatever
[19:36] <new0> tomreyn, is that includes the 999? at the end/
[19:36] <tomreyn> new0: 9999, yes, that's the last part of the command
[19:36] <ioria> new0, you can unpack that report but it's a bit complicated ; apport-unpack report_file   ; then  use gdb
[19:37] <Randolf> I'm using Ubuntu Linux 16.04 LTS.  When I type "apt show apache2" I see that it refers to version 2.2.  I couldn't find 2.4 though, even trying "apache24" and "apache2.4" -- is there a different name I need to try?  Thanks.
[19:37] <tomreyn> new0: dmesg actually returns the kernel ring buffer log, not the system log, which resides in /var/log/syslog. but the kernel log should be useful.
[19:37] <new0> tomreyn, command not found
[19:38] <tomreyn> new0: which one?
[19:38] <new0> tomreyn, sorry.. forgot about nc
[19:38] <Randolf> Also, I need to get PHP 5, but "apt show php" seems to indicate version 7.  Trying "apt show php5" couldn't find it.
[19:38] <new0> tomreyn, and to your all http://termbin.com/fuqi
[19:39] <kostkon> !info apache2 xenial
[19:39] <new0> Randolf, why not use LAMP?
[19:39] <tomreyn> new0: this kernel was built 2015. you never patched your ubuntu 14.04
[19:39] <kostkon> Randolf, 2.4. where did you see 2.2?
[19:40] <Randolf> kostkon:  When I typed "apt show apache2" it showed 2.2.  I'm just running "apt update" right now, and I'll try again...
[19:40] <new0> tomreyn, meaning?
[19:40] <Randolf> Ah, now it shows Apache 2.4.18.
[19:40] <ioria> new0, uname -r
[19:41] <Randolf> new0:  Is that a bundle of the packages I'm after?
[19:41] <new0> ioria, yea got it 3.13.0-53-generic #89-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 20 10:34:39 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:41] <tomreyn> new0: you must be running outdated, insecure, buggy software, and it would be a waste of time to try to diagnose this further until you updated.
[19:41] <ioria> !info linux-generic trusty
[19:41] <ioria> new0,  current is 3.13.0.144
[19:42] <new0> Randolf, mmm about the PHP? i think so. PHP, Apache, MySQL, etc.. also, Ubuntu community support it
[19:42] <Randolf> new0:  We need PHP 5 though.  Is LAMP on PHP 5?
[19:42] <Randolf> I will also need MySQL, and "apt show mysql" comes up with nothing.
[19:42] <Randolf> It can't find it.
[19:42] <Randolf> I'm new to apt, so it's probably me.
[19:43] <new0> ioria, you mean that i have a very old version? so... what is my process to fix my issues? hopfully i can learn from it if you have the time. but i rather fixing it first ;)
[19:43] <new0> Randolf, i think that you can choose between the two
[19:43] <new0> Randolf, in WAMP i can choose
[19:44] <Randolf> Hmm, "apt show wamp" comes up as not found as well.
[19:44] <new0> Randolf, do you know your self around Ubuntu?
[19:44] <ioria> new0,  you simply need to update your system, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:44] <new0> Randolf, WAMP IS FOR WINDOWS which LAMP is for Linux
[19:44] <Randolf> I'm fairly new to Ubuntu, but I have a lot of experience with NetBSD running internet servers on it since the late 1990s.
[19:44] <Randolf> Then I'm not interested in WAMP.
[19:44] <Randolf> I don't use Windows for serious server stuff.
[19:45] <new0> ioria, really? simplyy?
[19:45] <ioria> new0,  yes
[19:46] <new0> Randolf, of course you are not in WAMP but for startup i suggest LAMP and of course you can play around with it untill u will get familiar with PHP MYSQL, etc...
[19:46] <new0> ioria, ok.. tnx!!!
[19:46] <tomreyn> Randolf: ubuntu 16.04 comes with php7. if you *really* require php5, you could look for a ppa.
[19:46] <tomreyn> !ppa | Randolf
[19:46] <Randolf> Thanks tomreyn.
[19:46] <new0> ioria, btw how long experience do you have in Ubuntu?
[19:47] <ioria> new0,  please stay on topic
[19:47] <tomreyn> Randolf: not supported here, but probably your best choice if you have to have php5 on 16.04 https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php
[19:47] <new0> ioria, sure. just want to confirm that this is 99% of the case
[19:48] <new0> ioria, no disrespect of course
[19:48] <Randolf> tomreyn:  I have to get this working for a friend.  They have too much code in PHP 5 and can't move to version 7 yet.
[19:48] <ioria> new0,  if you are running 3.13.0-53 there is few to discuss
[19:49] <new0> ioria, understand. so instead of discussing it you simply saying this is the 99% solution for me!! go tit
[19:49] <new0> *got it
[19:49] <ioria> new0,  for that ? yes
[19:49] <tomreyn> Randolf: your friend had plenty of time to plan for the upgrade / migration and should have been done by now. you'll be doing extra work for them.
[19:50] <Randolf> Oh, I see, MySQL is called "mysql-server" on this system.
[19:51] <new0> ioria, what is the dist-upgrade for?
[19:51] <tomreyn> Randolf: but it's kind that you're supporting them. so give this PPA a try, i guess it'lll be fine.
[19:51] <ioria> !dist-upgrade
[19:51] <new0> ioria, yes :) for all those crashess lol
[19:51] <Randolf> tomreyn:  Well, the long-term plan is to get things moved over to PHP 7.
[19:52] <Randolf> In NetBSD the firewall is "pf" from OpenBSD.  Does Ubuntu have this option too?  Or is there a different firewall?  I've heard that "iptables" is the common one.
[19:52] <tomreyn> Randolf: besides mysql-server (oracles' community edition) there are also the common forks available.
[19:53] <Randolf> tomreyn:  Are the forks better-supported and more common?
[19:53] <new0> ioria, well.. i can tell you that from time to time my system popup the Ubuntu Update window for me and i ignore that
[19:53] <tomreyn> Randolf: right, you'll usually use iptables / netfilter on linux. i think there are some pf ports, but i dont think anything reliable.
[19:53] <Randolf> Okay, I'll look into iptables and netfilter.  I guess these are competing options?
[19:54] <new0> tomreyn, wow 231M will be added
[19:54] <new0> Randolf, can i ask why do you still using PHP5?
[19:55] <Randolf> new0:  I don't.  I don't do any PHP programming at all, actually (I'm using mod_perl2 for most of my projects).  It's the person I'm supporting who needs PHP 5 at this time.
[19:55] <tomreyn> Randolf: i guess the mysql server forks (mariadb percona) roughly get the same level of support, maybe a bit better. most bug reports still go to oracle and when they decide to patch them 2 y<ears later the forks will do the same with a week.
[19:55] <Randolf> tomreyn:  Oh, wow.  That's a huge difference in turn-around time.
[19:56] <tomreyn> Randolf: this is just me personally speaking there, and i'll not continue voicing my opinion on this now.
[19:56] <tomreyn> (OT here)
[19:56] <new0> tomreyn, i am curious to know is there a way when i am logging / logout to/from Ubuntu to see/view all the boot messages instead of the Ubuntu logos?
[19:56] <Randolf> tomreyn:  It's very helpful though.  Thank you.  I'm going to look into mariadb and percona.
[19:57] <new0> Randolf, got it. yea, sound to me good bundle will do the trick
[19:57] <tomreyn> Randolf: I exxagerated, but you get the idea. form your own opinion, please.
[19:58] <Randolf> new0:  I've already got the other things I need installed.  I support a number of servers with PHP developers, and nearly all of them are on PHP 7 now.
[19:58] <Randolf> tomreyn:  I will.  That's why I'll look into them.  You've given me some things to look into which is helpful.
[19:58] <tomreyn> new0: if you'd like to see messages on screen during boot you can remove the "splash" option off /etc/default/grub and run update-grub
[19:59] <new0> Randolf, well i am on PHP5 still. but what you mean the other things?
[19:59] <Randolf> new0:  Apache HTTPd v2.4 and MySQL 7.
[19:59] <tomreyn> Randolf: you're welcome, good luck.
[19:59] <Randolf> Plus some other stuff.
[19:59] <new0> tomreyn, wow, tnx. let me try
[20:00] <new0> tomreyn, via nano?
[20:00] <tomreyn> new0: sorry this was incorrect, let me find the proper answer
[20:00] <new0> tomreyn, ok. tnx
[20:01] <tomreyn> new0: actually it was correct: https://askubuntu.com/questions/33416/how-do-i-disable-the-boot-splash-screen-and-only-show-kernel-and-boot-text-inst/33420
[20:02] <new0> Randolf, MySQL7? wow, seems like i am very un-updated
[20:03] <new0> tomreyn, but only in boot time! right?
[20:03] <tomreyn> new0: yes, i didn't understand the part about logout / login
[20:03] <Randolf> new0:  Whoops, MySQL 5.7.
[20:03]  * Randolf laughs at himself
[20:03] <new0> tomreyn, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" to "splash"
[20:04] <akik> new0: quiet too
[20:04] <tomreyn> new0: if you keep the splash screen you wont have readable messages.
[20:04] <new0> tomreyn, lol ho yea. you want a HINT look at my nick name hehe .... in boot time and logout time! just not the runtime of course i still want GUi
[20:05] <DK2> i need a pxekernel 4.9 atleast for ubuntu preseed. all official repos only offer 4.4
[20:05] <DK2> how can i build a own one with 4.0?
[20:05] <DK2> 4.9*
[20:05] <new0> Randolf, ok. that's make more sense
[20:05] <tomreyn> DK2: which ubuntu release are yu referring to?
[20:06] <tomreyn> new0: so i guess you just want GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=''
[20:06] <DK2> 16.04
[20:07] <new0> tomreyn, akik, sorry i lost you a bit! if it's the quiet splash it will be with logos. and if splash it will be black screen up to runtime (not boot-time)? so i need to have quiet? or...?
[20:08] <new0> tomreyn, ok.... mmmm where is the link? because i think that i am driving you and me a little bit fuzzy
[20:08] <tomreyn> DK2: correct, ubuntu 16.04 LTS only offers hte general availability kernel, version 4.4 and then there are also !hwe kernels which are currently at 4.13.
[20:09] <Randolf> tomreyn:  Thanks, by the way, for the hint about PPA.  I'm using this to install PHP5 now:  https://linuxhint.com/install-php5-ubuntu/
[20:09] <DK2> tomreyn, so anyway to build a ubuntu 16.04 preseed installation with 4.9 or higher?
[20:09] <crimson_king> Randolf, ufw is an easier firewall application (gufw for GUI), but not as flexible as good old iptables
[20:09] <tomreyn> new0: https://askubuntu.com/questions/248/how-can-i-show-or-hide-boot-messages-when-ubuntu-starts
[20:09] <tomreyn> new0: just read it. slowly.
[20:10] <tomreyn> DK2: so higher is fine?
[20:10] <Randolf> crimson_king:  I'll take a look at that too.  Thanks!
[20:10] <new0> tomreyn, sure thing boss. tnx :D
[20:11] <DK2> tomreyn: yes
[20:11] <nacc> DK2: just use the hwe stack?
[20:12] <tomreyn> DK2: pick the desired archiecture form the lower section (HWE kernel): http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/netboot/xenial/
[20:12] <tomreyn> !hwe | DK2
[20:14] <tomreyn> DK2: you'll find the kernel and a matching initrd in the  ubuntu-installer/ subdirectory
[20:15] <DK2> thanks!
[20:16] <tomreyn> DK2: actually netboot.tar.gz should contain all you need (which varies by architecture)
[20:23] <new0> tomreyn, what is the different between update-grub and update-grub2?
[20:24] <tomreyn> new0: here's how you can find out: readlink -f $(which update-grub) && readlink -f $(which update-grub2)
[20:26] <tomreyn> this is a set of two commands. it looks up where the update-grub and update-grub2 commands are and follows them to the source (through symbolic links / aliases).
[20:26] <new0> tomreyn, i got 2 line the same /usr/sbin/update-grub
[20:26] <tomreyn> new0: so you got your answer
[20:26] <tomreyn> new0: same thing
[20:26] <Butterfly|> !offtopic test
[20:26] <Butterfly|> !offtopic new0
[20:26] <new0> tomreyn, tnx
[20:27] <Butterfly|> why don't it work ? :)
[20:27] <tomreyn> hi bugzbunny.
[20:27] <akik> Butterfly|: you can use /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:27] <tomreyn> welcome, new0
[20:27] <new0> tomreyn, is Butterfly| a bot?
[20:27] <Butterfly|> akik : but wasn't there an off-topic bot command ?
[20:27] <Butterfly|> !off-topic akik
[20:28] <Butterfly|> just testing :)
[20:28] <tomreyn> new0: i don't think so
[20:28] <akik> Butterfly|: yea, no testing
[20:28] <new0> tomreyn, btw, after i did the update && upgrade && dist-upgrade i got this message..
[20:28] <new0> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[20:28] <Butterfly|> !ot akik
[20:28] <Butterfly|> !ot
[20:28] <akik> Butterfly|: you can priv msg ubottu or read ubottu.com
[20:28] <Butterfly|> that's it!
[20:28] <tomreyn> !botabuse | Butterfly|
[20:28] <Butterfly|> that's what i needed, sorry
[20:29] <Butterfly|> your bot is great, and i want to get that in another channel, i just needed an example :)
[20:29] <Pinkamena_D> Hey All, I installed unity package on ubuntu 17.10 but I cannot enable or disable plugins in compiz. Here is the system log output after attampting to enable the plugin 'put': https://bpaste.net/show/be7865c8ae7b   --- Any idea how I could proceed with a fix?
[20:29] <new0> Butterfly|, so you just want to test on me offtopic? lol (!GoodOne)
[20:29] <tomreyn> !botclone | Butterfly|
[20:30] <new0> tomreyn, any idea why i got this message? E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[20:30] <jim__> ello
[20:30] <new0> tomreyn, mmm also i think this is the time to shutodnw -r?
[20:30] <tomreyn> new0: no. but i could try and help you find out if the suggestions proivided there were not helpful, yet?
[20:31] <tomreyn> new0: i don't know when it's time to reboot for your system.
[20:32] <new0> tomreyn, mmm i know with linux most of the time there is no need for reboot. but after grub update only reboot will show me result. but about the update & upgrade & dist-upgrade should it been reboot?
[20:33] <new0> tomreyn, yea. i supply the steps i just did. which i am not sure i need one right now
[20:34] <tomreyn> new0: yes, only a reboot will show whether you changes to the grub configuration have succeeded / provide the intended effect. please od not mix up "update-grub" and "apt update" / "apt-get update", they do entirely differnet things.
[20:34] <new0> tomreyn, is there a way to publish the log of those cmd?
[20:34] <tomreyn> !pastebinit | new0
[20:35] <tomreyn> alternatively, without having to install new software, this also works: command | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:35] <new0> tomreyn, ok
[20:36] <Butterfly|> tomreyn : i have no intention to clone the bot, i have had a bot with 1,5 million lines of script, and ubottu just can't compare at this moment, it's limited in certain ways :) , i'm not saying it isn't good at what it does, but my goals and intentions are higher, more in the directions of semi-AI
[20:36] <new0> tomreyn, so what cmd i need to order to show you the update upgrade dist-upgrade result?
[20:36] <tomreyn> Butterfly|: cool (but not a topic for this channel). good luck.
[20:36] <new0> and if there is any failure?
[20:37] <Butterfly|> new0 : sorry for the trouble, i tried some random name, but it didn't work, so i thought it maybe needed some name that was in the channel, and you were one of the most recent ones that talked, so i choose you :)
[20:39] <new0> Butterfly|, wow. i am the choosen one :) neo (Matrix) no problem keep having fun. but keep in mind the channel rules they like to be on topic. (must be a reason behind it!!)
[20:41] <new0> tomreyn, so.. what is the command that i need to run in order to see what is the problem with those updates? so i can pipe it into nc termbin.com
[20:41] <tomreyn> new0: just post the output of this to a pastebin: lsb_release -ds; apt update; apt -f install
[20:41] <tomreyn> !paste | new0
[20:42] <tomreyn> new0: piping the output of multiple commands into netcat or pastebinit does not always work reliably
[20:43] <new0> tomreyn, got it
[20:43] <Butterfly|> new0 : i wasn't ever planning on abusing the bot, i have had a bot that was active in over 600+ channels... i just wanted to get one bot response as an example, that's all :)
[20:44] <new0> tomreyn, let me guess. those command need sudo! right?
[20:44] <new0> Butterfly|, no problem :)
[20:44] <tomreyn> new0: yes, sorry, the two apt commands do
[20:45] <tomreyn> new0: so make it:    lsb_release -ds; cat /proc/version; sudo apt update; sudo apt -f install; apt-cache policy
[20:47] <new0> tomreyn, np. retyping
[20:47] <Randolf> Apparently the "iptables" configuration is stored in a file under /etc/sysconfig/iptables but I'm not finding "sysconfig" under /etc.  Is this stored in a different location in Ubuntu?
[20:47] <tomreyn> new0: you can just copy and paste from / to your terminal
[20:48] <tomreyn> Randolf: /etc/sysconfig is a path you'll find on Redhat derivatives, Debian derivates such as Ubuntu do not use this path.
[20:48] <Randolf> tomreyn:  Ah, that explains it.  What's the path for Ubuntu?
[20:50] <tomreyn> Randolf: iptables is not a daemon, so it's a bit special in a couple ways. for example, it doesn't have a persistent configuration unless iptables-save and iptables-restore are used.
[20:50] <Randolf> Oh, okay.
[20:50] <tomreyn> (for persistence across reboots that is)
[20:50] <Randolf> So, I need a persistent configuration.
[20:51] <Randolf> With "pf" I had /etc/pf.conf to configure things persistently.  That's the sort of thing I'm after now with Ubuntu.
[20:51] <tomreyn> Randolf: there are a couple options for an iptables frontend if you prefer a little improved usability there.
[20:52] <Randolf> I prefer a text file for configuration.  Is that what you had in mind?
[20:52] <tomreyn> Randolf: for desktop systems, and optionally for servers, there is "ufw"
[20:52] <Randolf> Someone else mentioned ufw a bit earlier.
[20:52] <new0> tomreyn, on pastebin what is the best highlighting syntex is good for terminal output?
[20:52] <tomreyn> Randolf: it's plain textual, using configuration files (though there is gufw as a graphical frontend). ufw is not a good match for complex configurations, though.
[20:53] <Randolf> My needs are fairly straight-forward...
[20:53] <tomreyn> new0: sorry, i dont understand, can you rephrase?
[20:53] <tomreyn> !ufw
[20:54] <Randolf> First policy:  Block everything.  Second policy:  Make exceptions for TCP and UDP ports that I specifically want to allow, and be able to limit some of them (e.g., TCP port 22) to be accessible only from certain IP addresses.
[20:54] <new0> tomreyn, on pastebin after i paste the code from the terminal. what would be best color to highlight the text?
[20:54] <tomreyn> Randolf: see what ubottu just told you.
[20:54] <Randolf> Yeah, I'm looking at that now.  Thank you.
[20:55] <tomreyn> new0: any that contrasts the other colors well, i guess.
[20:55] <Randolf> Okay, so "ufw" works in tandem with iptables.
[20:56] <tomreyn> Randolf: yes, it's an iptables frontend.
[20:56] <nitzan2611> \join Undernet
[20:57] <Randolf> nitzan2611:  Try it like this...
[20:57] <new0> tomreyn, this is the first result https://pastebin.com/7gDG4kqa
[20:57] <Randolf> /join Undernet
[20:57] <tomreyn> Randolf: if you're happy with pf and don't mind learning another firewalling syntax, maybe you'll acttually prefer working with iptables directly, though. YMMV.
[20:57] <Randolf> tomreyn:  I'm happy to learn iptables.  But apparently it's not persistent, and that's what ufw can provide?
[20:58] <tomreyn> Randolf: yes, ufw can proivide it, or the iptables-save and -restore commands.
[20:58] <Randolf> It appears that ufw comes stock with Ubuntu.
[20:58] <tomreyn> (all of which have man pages, i assume you will be into this concept and may actually appreciate it.)
[20:59] <Randolf> I'm just looking at /etc/ufw/ufw.conf at the moment.
[20:59] <Randolf> Oh yeah.  The man pages are generally quite good for almost everything.
[20:59] <tomreyn> so do iptables and its utility scripts
[20:59] <tomreyn> (come stock with ubuntu, that is)
[20:59] <new0> tomreyn, this is the last command line you told me to run: https://pastebin.com/LBWtEmfj
[21:01] <Randolf> Interesting.  A lot of the ufw commands look similar to pf.
[21:01] <tomreyn> new0: generally: you are running an outdated point release of ubuntu 14.04 LTS, naely 14.04.2. you need to update it to get support here. i understand that there is this issue which may prevent you from working with apt, and we can continue diagnosing this for now.
[21:02] <new0> tomreyn, apt-get maybe. not sure what or about apt
[21:03] <Dro> Hello, any idea how to fix this please? cuda-9-0 : Depends: cuda-toolkit-9-0 (>= 9.0.176) but it is not going to be installed
[21:03] <new0> tomreyn, have u looked at pastebin?
[21:03] <tomreyn> new0: i'm on it
[21:04] <new0> tomreyn, ok. tnx
[21:04] <Dro> (trying sudo apt-get install cuda)
[21:06] <tomreyn> new0: can you run: pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:08] <tomreyn> new0: you have a couple warnings there but no errors. you should be able to install the 502 pending updates just fine.
[21:09] <new0> tomreyn, currently not installed. installing
[21:09] <tomreyn> new0: sudo apt udate; sudo apt dist-upgrade
[21:10] <tomreyn> Dro: did you run: apt update
[21:10] <tomreyn> Dro: which ubuntu release is this? lsb_release -ds
[21:11] <tomreyn> Dro: do your current apt sources provide cuda-toolkit-9-0 version 9.0.176 or greater? apt-cache policy cuda-toolkit-9-0
[21:12] <new0> tomreyn, i think i paste you 2 time same terminal
[21:13] <new0> tomreyn, this is the last command you told me to run: https://pastebin.com/3LEy2wp5
[21:14] <new0> tomreyn, this is from the source.list: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KPcnywhnVZ/
[21:14] <djamal> hi
[21:15] <tomreyn> new0: thanks, looking
[21:16] <new0> tomreyn, btw do u mean apt update and dist-upgrade or apt-get update & dist-upgrade?
[21:17] <tomreyn> new0: apt is fine if you prefer it over apt-get. either should work.
[21:17] <new0> tomreyn, ok. because i am using apt-get
[21:17] <tomreyn> new0: and i was wrong, you do have errors there.
[21:18] <new0> tomreyn, yes. but i don't think you were wrong. i think this is the result of the later command you told me to run with something with -cache-policy something
[21:18] <djamal> sudo cd command not found
[21:19] <Dro> tomreyn: apt-cache policy cuda-toolkit-9-0 : https://pastebin.com/tBc5YmNj
[21:19] <new0> djamal, not sure if u neeed sudo for cd
[21:19] <nacc> tomreyn: being on specifically 14.04.2 is also odd
[21:19] <Dro> (its in french: "Installé => installed" and (aucun) => none
[21:19] <nacc> tomreyn: implies not up to date?
[21:19] <Sven_vB_> djamal, "cd" as a program wouldn't make enough sense to warrant it. you probably want to do something in the directory after you cd to it, right?
[21:20] <ash_worksi> I am so confused
[21:20] <ash_worksi> I am kinda randomly missing some programs
[21:20] <Orbitor> ash_worksi: oh?
[21:20] <Sven_vB> djamal, if you use sudo because your shell can't cd, use "sudo -s" to spawn a root shell; that shell can then cd.
[21:21] <ash_worksi> I just come across it when I try to open them
[21:21] <ash_worksi> inkscape was gone
[21:21] <djamal> in fact i want source command
[21:21] <ash_worksi> and now kdiff3
[21:21] <ash_worksi> very confused
[21:21] <ash_worksi> Orbitor: o/
[21:21] <djamal> i did sudo source
[21:21] <confluency> ash_worksi: look at your apt log, and see if you uninstalled something that also uninstalled lots of things that depended on it.
[21:22] <djamal> and i get source command not found
[21:22] <ash_worksi> confluency: that's what I thought might've happened
[21:22] <nacc> djamal: source is a shell builtin
[21:22] <nacc> djamal: you are doing something wrong, what are you trying to do?
[21:22] <tomreyn> new0: can you comment out the deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list for now? also remove the trailing slashes (on the URLs) in lines 15 to 18 of http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KPcnywhnVZ/
[21:22] <ash_worksi> but I'm not skilled in the art of apt... just `apt log` ? or is this a file location?
[21:22] <new0> tomreyn, can try to
[21:22] <djamal> source meta-agl/scripts/aglsetup.sh -m raspberrypi3 agl-demo agl-netboot agl-appfw-smack
[21:23] <djamal> i am going to build with bitbake
[21:23] <djamal> and not allowed me to do it as root
[21:23] <Sven_vB> djamal, then how about you bake it as a normal user?
[21:23] <tomreyn> nacc: yes, new0's system is not up to date, we're working on changing this.
[21:24] <nacc> tomreyn: ah ok
[21:24] <nacc> ash_worksi: /var/log/apt/
[21:24] <Sven_vB> djamal, if you have insufficient permissions on the files, don't escalate your privileges; instead grant your user account the proper permissions.
[21:24] <new0> tomreyn, great. tnx. in process/progress :)
[21:24] <confluency> ash_worksi: /var/log/apt/history.log is the latest one.
[21:24] <nacc> djamal: sounds like you are trying to follow a tutorial?
[21:24] <djamal> yes
[21:25] <new0> tomreyn, btw.. how can i tell if system is up to date?
[21:25] <tomreyn> Dro: so basedno the output, you have cuda-toolkit-9-0 installed locally, no apt source is available for it, and only the one version which is too old to do the upgrade you planned to do.
[21:25] <djamal> when i do it as normal user i get permission denied
[21:26] <tomreyn> Dro: actually the version is not too old, but incompatibly named.
[21:26] <Dro> tomreyn: what solution do u suggest?
[21:26] <Sven_vB> djamal, do you know about file system permissions? also could you show us the tutorial?
[21:27] <ash_worksi> yep `apt-get remove python2.7`
[21:27] <tomreyn> new0: once you have full yupdated, lsb_release -sd will report the latest 14.04.X version listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[21:27] <confluency> ash_worksi: I'm amazed anythign still works, then.
[21:27] <tomreyn> Dro: it's not an official package. check with who provided it.
[21:27] <new0> tomreyn, assuming that 3.13.0-53-generic is not up to date
[21:28] <confluency> ash_worksi: reinstall *everything* that you see uninstalled in that log entry.
[21:28] <djamal> when i do source command with root
[21:28] <confluency> ash_worksi: I'm going to give you the command for generating the list of package names automatically from the list you can see there.
[21:28] <tomreyn> new0: also, for the kernel, the latest version is the one listed on https://packages.ubuntu.com/linux-image-generic
[21:28] <ash_worksi> yeah, I see how my brain was working... I had manually installed an older version of python to help somebody temporarily and thought that was it without looking at anything
[21:28] <djamal> it is work normal but he told me that i can use bitbake as root
[21:29] <djamal> the whole operation
[21:29] <tomreyn> new0: once you're fully updates you can also run "sudo ubuntu-support-status" to get an idea of your systesm's state.
[21:29] <ash_worksi> I vaguely remember that I smartly ran that in a container... I very stupidly forgot
[21:29] <djamal> is to do two command first source command and the second bitbake command
[21:29] <tomreyn> that is, from here on, once you installed all the pending updates.
[21:30] <Dro> tomreyn: I got it from nvidia official site https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fdeveloper.nvidia.com%2Fcuda-90-download-archive%3Ftarget_os%3DLinux%26target_arch%3Dx86_64%26target_distro%3DUbuntu%26target_version%3D1604%26target_type%3Ddeblocal&h=ATOJsaTWab7o2wN65C2u-ChDAxsT4rjxpEfZF9MliNMbSKNUrJHxHvXU_frH-1LCY6C37FDGfy9N2df_cGDoWgy08mrcFSwVZCnSmlUciJE
[21:30] <Dro> (sorry for the link) :/
[21:30] <djamal> Sven_vB are you still with me
[21:31] <new0> tomreyn, ok
[21:31] <ash_worksi> thanks confluency
[21:32] <new0> tomreyn, may i ask why commenting deb-src lines? and why removeing trailing slashes?
[21:32] <new0> *removing
[21:33] <confluency> ash_worksi: OK, copy the comma-separated list of packages which looks something like package1:amd64 (some stuff), package2:amd64...
[21:33] <tomreyn> Dro: right, so not installed from an apt repository, and not one supported here. you manually installed this package, accepting that you have no upgrade / pathcing path for it at the time.
[21:33] <Sven_vB> djamal, I'm here but it seems like at least one of us has a huge delay sending or receiving the other's messages.
[21:33] <confluency> ash_worksi: and paste it in between the quotes of echo "PASTE IN HERE" | sed -r 's/:[^ ]* \([^)]*\),?//g'
[21:33] <Dro> tomreyn: u're right, what do u suggest to solve this?
[21:34] <tomreyn> Dro: i suggest you check whether nvidia provides those packages via an apt repository and use them instead. or better: use those ubuntu provides (if any, check https://packages.ubuntu,com )
[21:34] <confluency> ash_worksi: that should output a space-separated list of just the package names.
[21:34] <confluency> ash_worksi: which you can paste after sudo apt-get install
[21:34] <MoonManT> which should i learn tmux or screen?
[21:34] <Sven_vB> MoonManT, tmux
[21:34] <MoonManT> Sven_vB: why please?
[21:35] <tomreyn> new0: just reducing complexity for now. this makes it easier to spot and fix the actual issue. the trailing slashes should not have been there in the first place.
[21:35] <confluency> ash_worksi: moral of the story: when apt says "are sure you want to uninstall <a million packages>?", say no.
[21:35] <ash_worksi> confluency: yeah ._.
[21:35] <ash_worksi> thanks confluency
[21:36] <confluency> ash_worksi: don't feel bad; I've seen people do this before. At least you still had a functioning system that let you reinstall things.
[21:36] <new0> tomreyn, ok. done
[21:36] <confluency> ash_worksi: good luck!
[21:36] <new0> tomreyn, now what?
[21:36] <Sven_vB> MoonManT, tmux does all that screen can, just better, and has additional useful features. the only reason I don't learn it is that I already invested the effort to learn screen years ago, and it still works kinda "good enough" most of the time.
[21:36] <tomreyn> new0: "sudo apt update" and "apt-cache policy" and show its output again, please
[21:36] <MoonManT> Sven_vB: thanks, are both still in development?
[21:36] <Sven_vB> MoonManT, I even pay for this laziness by doing stuff manually that I know I could automate if I used tmux.
[21:36] <Dro> tomreyn: I can't find the exact package "cuda-toolkit-9" there, but I found this https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/nvidia-cuda-toolkit it works too?
[21:37] <Sven_vB> MoonManT, dunno, but screen seems so dead (and dead-ended) that I guess tmux is at least as maintained as screen.
[21:37] <MoonManT>  Sven_vB: thanks dude i will do some more research but i think i will learn tmux, i dont know either and i needed some advice from someone who elses this kind of stuff
[21:38] <Sven_vB> MoonManT, if you can spare the time to learn tmux, it's absolutely the better route.
[21:38] <djamal> Sven_vB this is the tutorial i am follow it http://docs.automotivelinux.org/docs/getting_started/en/dev/reference/machines/raspberrypi.html
[21:38] <MoonManT> Sven_vB: any other tips/software i can use for being more productive at the terminal? learning vim already, i also do a lot of coding so anything in that area
[21:38] <Sven_vB> MoonManT, also, once you learn tmux, you can learn screen within a few minutes
[21:39] <MoonManT> Sven_vB: nice, im sold i will start learning tmux now
[21:39] <Sven_vB> MoonManT, I heard good things about the korn shell and zsh. also tiling window managers.
[21:39] <tomreyn> Dro: what works probably depends on what you want to make work, which i do not know. i suspect that the nvidia-cuda-toolkit package in ubuntu may provide the same functionality as the cuda-toolkit-9-0 package you currently have installed. it is version 8.0 rather than 9.0, though, as you may have noticed.
[21:39] <new0> tomreyn, is apt-cache policy need sudo? also can i just use sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get cache-policy?
[21:39] <confluency> Sven_vB: if you use byobu, you can easily get tmux with screen keybindings.
[21:40] <MoonManT> Sven_vB: thanks again
[21:40] <confluency> (I learned screen first, and it would be really annoying to relearn the keybindings now.)
[21:40] <Sven_vB> confluency, thanks! I have byobu on my learn list as well.
[21:41] <confluency> There's nothing to learn, really. It's just a pretty layer on top of screen or tmux. Tmux is now the default backend; the first time you hit ctrl-a it will ask if you want screen-like bindings.
[21:41] <confluency> But I'm getting offtopic now. :)
[21:42] <tomreyn> new0: running "apt-cache policy" does not require sudo. other than that you can run the two commands as listed (being aware that the second command will not run if the first one runs into any errors).
[21:42] <new0> tomreyn, got it. tnx
[21:43] <tomreyn> Dro: i should also note that i'm not paricularly interested in supporting nvidia products.
[21:43] <new0> tomreyn, anyway, i just did: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-cache policy | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:44] <tomreyn> new0: if the first command exited without an error, this would cause the standard output of the second command to be posted to thembind.com
[21:44] <djamal> hi
[21:45] <tomreyn> * termbin.com
[21:45] <tomreyn> hello djamal
[21:45] <Dro> tomreyn: I see :P
[21:46] <Dro> thanks for your help anyway
[21:46] <confluency> Dro: if you're using the NVidia repo, use the instructions on NVidia's site.
[21:46] <tomreyn> Dro: you're welcome.
[21:46] <confluency> Dro: you may also want to ask questions in NVidia's forums.
[21:48] <jk^> !audacity
[21:48] <new0> tomreyn, well, i start to see errors. and while i writing this i have URL :)
[21:48] <new0> tomreyn, http://termbin.com/eeln9
[21:49] <djamal> tomreyn Error: TEMPLATECONF value points to nonexistent directory '/root/workspace_agl/meta-agl/templates/base'
[21:49] <tomreyn> new0: new0 the termbin.com post shows no errors, but i assume you see some on your terminal. maybe you can post again with errors included?
[21:50] <tomreyn> new0: sudo apt update 2>&1 | pastebinit; apt-cache policy 2>&1 | pastebinit
[21:51] <new0> tomreyn, why r u using sudo apt all the time? do you mean apt or apt-get?
[21:51] <tomreyn> djamal: are you asking me a question?
[21:51] <new0> tomreyn, and np
[21:52] <tomreyn> new0: either is fine. i will use apt-get form now on if you prefer
[21:52] <djamal> yes i have this error doing source meta-agl/scripts/aglsetup.sh -m raspberrypi3 agl-demo agl-netboot agl-appfw-smack
[21:52] <tomreyn> new0: actually i may be wrong, 'apt' probably does not exist on ubuntu 14.04, sorry.
[21:53] <new0> tomreyn, either is fine :) but it got me a bit confused. anyway either it's ok. i will just use apt-get. the thing is apt-cache policy i am not sure what it is belong to
[21:53] <tomreyn> djamal: which ubuntu release is this (lsb_release -ds; cat /proc/version), which ubuntu package?
[21:53] <new0> tomreyn, lol hehe good one
[21:54] <new0> tomreyn, don't worry about it. at least now i know. btw from which version it's exists?
[21:54] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: Best I recall apt was introduced in 14.04 .https://mvogt.wordpress.com/2014/04/04/apt-1-0/ <- apt 1.0
[21:54] <djamal> the release is 16.04
[21:55] <new0> djamal, are u referring to me? 16.04 apt exists?
[21:55] <tomreyn> new0: 16.04 and later surely have it, i'm not sure when (read: in which ubuntu release) 'apt' as a more user friendly frontend to apt-get was first introduced.
[21:55] <tomreyn> Bashing-om: maybe not installed by default, yet
[21:56] <new0> tomreyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Dt9wD5XKXT/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/q3wJdMbhr4/ btw what is all the 2>&1 ??
[21:56] <djamal> i am referring to tomreyn
[21:56] <new0> djamal, tnx for the info. and np :)
[21:56] <tomreyn> djamal: << see how i'm addressing you here? you can do so, too, when responding (type "tomreyn: ...", this helps telling apart who is talking to whom.
[21:57] <new0> tomreyn, so.. apt is the new edge of apt-get? or aptitude (rest in peace)?
[21:57] <Sven_vB> djamal, there's most probably a flaw in your strategy, so let's find a better strategy. if you have a tutorial, give us a link to it so we can see what it's about.
[21:57] <new0> tomreyn, in the terminal of course
[21:58] <tomreyn> new0: please read the ubuntu 16.04 release notes before upgrading and you'll know the details. ;-)
[21:58] <tomreyn> new0: ... about apt vs apt-get vs aptitude
[21:58] <new0> tomreyn, mmm nice. i am just not sure if my system (Hardware) support it
[21:58] <tomreyn> djamal: that's not the output of the command i provided, though
[21:58] <djamal>  Sven_vB:the tutorial is http://docs.automotivelinux.org/docs/getting_started/en/dev/reference/machines/raspberrypi.html
[21:59] <new0> tomreyn, maybe i will install apt here
[21:59] <tomreyn> new0: let's not discuss too many topics at once, shall we? :)
[22:00] <new0> tomreyn, sure :) sorry got enthusiastic ;
[22:00] <new0> ;)
[22:00] <Sven_vB> djamal, when you ran the commands from chapter "Setting up the build environment", did you run them as root?
[22:01] <tomreyn> new0: "2>&1" is so-called "output redirection". it ensures error messages go through the pipe and end up on termbin.com / paste.ubuntu.com.  read up on this and "stadard output" (stdout), "standard error" (stderr) sometime
[22:01] <tomreyn> new0: now i'll read up on your pastes
[22:02] <new0> tomreyn, sure tnx :) btw i know a bit about stdout from PHP programming/Development but i am sure i can always learn more
[22:03] <djamal> Sven_vB: https://pastebin.com/KF82HkH9
[22:04] <Sven_vB> djamal, yeah that looks like you ran the preparation steps as root.
[22:04] <Sven_vB> djamal, probably the easiest fix is to delete the workspace directory and start again from chapter 1, as a normal user.
[22:05] <Sven_vB> djamal, if you're lucky and file permissions are the only problem, this command can help: sudo chown --reference --changes ~ --recursive ~/workspace_agl/
[22:05] <tomreyn> new0: very well. now, do this to get rid of the google apt signing key error: wget -q -O - https://dl.google.com/linux/linux_signing_key.pub | sudo apt-key add -       # <<< and dont miss the trailing dash there
[22:05] <tomreyn> new0: these instrcutions are from https://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/
[22:06] <Sven_vB> djamal, sorry wrong command, I meant: sudo chown --reference ~/ --changes --recursive ~/workspace_agl/
[22:07] <tomreyn> new0: also, are you aware there is chromium-browser in ubuntu? it's a free alternative to chrome.
[22:07] <tomreyn> ...and available from ubuntu itself.
[22:08] <djamal> Sven_vB, i did the command and what i will do after that
[22:09] <Sven_vB> djamal, try the source command then
[22:09] <tomreyn> new0: by the way, are you acttually typing commands you see on the monitor into a different computer there? and the other way around?
[22:10] <tomreyn> new0: unless there are security reasons for this airgap i guess you could just use ssh, if so.
[22:10] <new0> wget -q -O - https://dl.google.com/linux/linux_signing_key.pub | sudo apt-key add -  ::result OK
[22:11] <tomreyn> new0: pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list; sudo apt-get update | pastebinit
[22:12] <new0> yes, i know about chromium-browser! why>? it's not installed at my pc?
[22:12] <djamal> Sven_vB:https://pastebin.com/0GHgbKaa
[22:12] <djamal> Sven_vB the same thing
[22:13] <new0> tomreyn, not really typing into diff computer but yes. i less using copy & paste. why? how u figure?
[22:13] <tomreyn> new0: i just brought up chromium-browser because you also seem to have chrome installed, which may seem redundant, and the worse choice (at least if you care about privcy and software licensing as i do). but you may have different needs and preferences.
[22:13] <new0> what do you mean airgap? and where can i use ssh on?
[22:14] <new0> pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list; sudo apt-get update | pastebinit result::
[22:14] <Sven_vB> djamal, maybe you have to regenerate the config then. add -f before the -m option.
[22:14] <tomreyn> new0: i was asking whether you need ot manually retype those commands since it seems to take you some effort to do so, and human errors can be the result (they would be if i had to).
[22:15] <new0> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CS9Zbd3CFy/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4TQYvYzVKj/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/J4HgVHXjZC/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/J4xnpbm9BC/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vmDSFxb8ZZ/ now i get: W: Failed to fetch http://il.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-backports/main/binary-amd64/Packages  Bad header line and the last link: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TTDQjsN3RZ/
[22:16] <tomreyn> new0: so i guess it would be a lot more convenient to just be able to copy and paste commands and (single line) command output. but if this is all local it must be your preference to retype, and this works for me.
[22:16] <djamal> <Sven_vB,
[22:16] <new0> tomreyn, mmm well all the command you send me beside sudo apt-get, etc.. i did copy & paste. specially lately
[22:17] <djamal> Sven_vB,https://pastebin.com/JAMhmr6t
[22:17] <tomreyn> new0: alright, cool, i was just trying to make things easier for you. no need then.
[22:18] <tomreyn> new0: reading...
[22:18] <new0> tomreyn, if it's a known command i will just type those. but there are not many. and you know a lot
[22:18] <new0> tomreyn, np sure thing. you are a really good man. Thanks. nice readying...
[22:18] <new0> *reading
[22:19] <Sven_vB> djamal, looks like you'll need to get rid of the broken files and start over from the beginning.
[22:20] <tomreyn> new0: thanks. you still have the trraling slashes in /etc/apt/sources.list and here http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CS9Zbd3CFy/ (lines 25-28, 35-36)
[22:20] <Sven_vB> djamal, also restart your shell/terminal before you try anew, to make it forget the old source command.
[22:23] <djamal> Sven_vB:plz sir told me where can i start
[22:23] <djamal> Sven_vB:i spend the whole week to build agl
[22:25] <djamal> i want to build agl for raspberri pi
[22:25] <tomreyn> new0: once this is fixed, i think you can try installing the updates again: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -f install && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:26] <djamal> Sven_vB sorry i know i ask a lot but i have to do it
[22:27] <Sven_vB> djamal, I'm trying to figure out a plan how you can use the existing files
[22:28] <Sven_vB> djamal, did you read there are ready-made AGL images? could you use them instead of building your own image?
[22:28] <Sven_vB> https://download.automotivelinux.org/AGL/snapshots/master/latest/
 i dont know this
[22:28] <new0> tomreyn, so... to remove all the trailing slashes in source.list?
[22:29] <Sven_vB> djamal, the link is from http://docs.automotivelinux.org/docs/getting_started/en/dev/reference/source-code.html . below the bullet list on top it says "For convenience, the resulting development images are made available Here"
[22:30] <new0> tomreyn, because there is 2 of there (the first two from up) in the file that you didn't mention
[22:30] <tomreyn> new0: you're right, these should be removed as well
 i dont know how to download it
[22:30] <tomreyn> new0: you can probably edit the file using: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:32] <Sven_vB> djamal, ok… what's the output of?: env | grep AGL_
[22:33] <djamal> Sven_vB it is empty
[22:33] <new0> tomreyn, not a problem
[22:37] <Sven_vB> for reading later, djamal's source command script can be viewed here: https://gerrit.automotivelinux.org/gerrit/gitweb?p=AGL/meta-agl.git;f=scripts/aglsetup.sh;hb=HEAD
[22:38] <Sven_vB> … and it invokes https://gerrit.automotivelinux.org/gerrit/gitweb?p=AGL/meta-agl.git;f=scripts/.aglsetup_genconfig.bash;hb=HEAD
[22:38] <tomreyn> new0: how are we coming?
[22:38] <howarth> Anyone know why JupyterLab isn't packaged for ubuntu?
[22:39] <new0> tomreyn, mmm it's on the gist-upgrade path now
[22:39] <new0> tomreyn, really thanks man. i really appreciate it
[22:40] <new0> i did the pastebinit so it will take a while. for now i have 2 links since u asked
[22:40] <new0> tomreyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/j5rRGdKrr5/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QGDMM7Xmyt/
[22:40] <oerheks> :-)
[22:40] <tomreyn> new0: you're welcome. ;-) no hurry, 500 packages DO need some time.  i was just wondering whether it's succeeding for now.
[22:41] <new0> tomreyn, wow 500 wow
[22:41] <tomreyn> new0: i mean 703 ;)
[22:42] <new0> tomreyn, hooo man. ok
[22:42] <tomreyn> new0: that's according to http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QGDMM7Xmyt/
[22:42] <tomreyn> new0: but there are more problems we need to fix.
[22:42] <kostkon> that's a new record
[22:42] <oerheks> fresh lists can do this, as you could not get fresh lists for a while
[22:42] <new0> tomreyn, really?
[22:42] <new0> kostkon, it is very old installation
[22:43] <oerheks> 14.04.2 goes to 14.04.5
[22:43] <tomreyn> oerheks: would you offer to guide new0 through replacing his sources.list by a fresh copy?
[22:43] <new0> and i didn't even wanted to install this one. because low hardware
[22:43] <oerheks> there is always a saved copy, sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list.save /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:43] <new0> why replacing and not update it via some command?
[22:44] <Sven_vB> djamal, what does it say for: which repo
[22:45] <oerheks> this is the secure way to restore the sources.list, AFIK
[22:45] <tomreyn> new0: because of lines 51-86 and 103-139 of http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/j5rRGdKrr5/
[22:45] <djamal> <Sven_vB nothing
[22:46] <tomreyn> new0: we can always backup the current one first, though
[22:46] <new0> tomreyn, yep like oerheks suggest
[22:47] <oerheks>  sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.old &&  sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list.save /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:47] <oerheks> and reboot && update
[22:47] <Sven_vB> djamal, how about these: head -n 1 ~/bin/repo ~/workspace_agl/.git/HEAD
[22:47] <tomreyn> why reboot?
[22:48] <tomreyn> i assume no updates were installed, yet.
[22:48] <tomreyn> new0: were updates installed, yet?
[22:49] <tomreyn> *any
[22:49] <new0> tomreyn, dunno i did the stdout
[22:49] <new0> 2>&1
[22:49] <djamal> Sven_vB : pi@raspberrypi:~ $  head -n 1 ~/bin/repo ~/workspace_agl/.git/HEAD
[22:49] <djamal> head: cannot open '/home/pi/bin/repo' for reading: No such file or directory
[22:49] <djamal> head: cannot open '/home/pi/workspace_agl/.git/HEAD' for reading: No such file or directory
[22:49] <new0> to pastebinit
[22:50] <tomreyn> new0: ok. i had thjose commands for updating packages linked with logical AND, so the later commands did not get to run.
[22:50] <Sven_vB> djamal, then somehow your downloads got lost. follow this guide: http://docs.automotivelinux.org/docs/getting_started/en/dev/reference/source-code.html
[22:51] <tomreyn> new0: so once you replaced sources.list you can run this again: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -f install && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:51] <new0> tomreyn, thjose commands?
[22:53] <new0> tomreyn, ok. i need to run those commands after replacing the source.list np! just not sure yet what is thjose commnads are
[22:59] <tomreyn> new0: the ones i just reposted
[22:59] <tomreyn> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -f install && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:00] <new0> tomreyn, got it
[23:00] <new0> tomreyn, still waiting for dist-upgrade
[23:01] <tomreyn> oh so this actually Is working, ok
[23:01] <katnip> is there a difference between dist- and full- ?
[23:02] <root_> Sven_vB
[23:03] <root_> Sven_vB
[23:05] <tomreyn> katnip: on 16.04 LTS, apt-get(8) is aware of dist-upgrade but not full-upgrade, apt(8) is aware of full-upgrade but not dist-upgrade.
[23:05] <tomreyn> apt would pass commands it does not know of on to apt-get, though, i think. so i guess if you use 'apt' then both should work.
[23:06] <tomreyn> ...which a test prooves to be correct (on 16.04)
[23:06] <katnip> i was curious since i have used both on 18.04
[23:08] <katnip> i didnt know if one pulls something the other wouldnt
[23:09] <tomreyn> actually "apt-get full-upgrade" also works
[23:09] <oerheks> you could do a dry-run with the -d option
[23:10] <katnip> sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade is what i've usually run
[23:10] <tomreyn> ...or watch idle fish in an aquarium, whichever you find more entertaining.
[23:10] <katnip> i like watching my dog :)
[23:11] <tomreyn> new0: good luck there, you know how to proceed, and i need to catch some sleep.
[23:12] <new0> tomreyn, sure thing. tnx so much for all you have done so far
[23:12] <new0> :)
[23:13] <tomreyn> new0: effectively: not much. ;-) and you're welcome.
[23:13] <new0> tomreyn, is there anyone else who can continue from where u left?
[23:13] <new0> tomreyn, regardless it's good. and no problem
[23:13] <new0> tomreyn, i hope to be at least in your level in up coming future :D
[23:14] <tomreyn> new0: sum up the issue here and provide the latest output of the commands i last provided, and if there's someone who feels like taking on it they will.
[23:14] <new0> tomreyn, sure thing. tnx
[23:16] <new0> hi everyone i just did the apt-get update : http://termbin.com/0h8v3 and this is the result
[23:16] <new0> but still get some errors in the terminal. any help?
[23:18] <tomreyn> reboot, run series of commands again, post output with error messages
[23:18]  * tomreyn over + out
[23:18] <kostkon> new0, i don't see any errors
[23:19] <oerheks> hit and Ign are oke
[23:19] <oerheks> Ign means that the list is up2date
[23:20] <new0> kostkon, tnx for trying to help. yes this is the output from apt-get update but there are some error in the terminal. is there a command that i can do in order u to see it/
[23:20] <kostkon> new0, c/p it
[23:23] <new0> kostkon, ok
[23:25] <new0> kostkon, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8YPgxKhfVd/
[23:26] <kostkon> new0, are you sure you have edited the file correctly
[23:26] <oerheks> line 92 .. main/binary-i386/Packages .. google stopped support for i386
[23:27] <new0> kostkon, why? i copy paste it
[23:27] <kostkon> new0, i meant your sources.list
[23:27] <akik> new0: to include errors in pastebinit, use "command |& pastebinit"
[23:28] <kostkon> new0, you didn't remove all the lines
[23:28] <new0> oerheks, mmm about that issue (only that for now) i found a resource https://askubuntu.com/questions/743814/unable-to-find-expected-entry-main-binary-i386-packages-chrome
[23:28] <new0> akik tnx
[23:29] <new0> kostkon, what do u mean didn't remove.. what do i need to remove?
[23:30] <new0> kostkon, akik, this is the last sudo apt-get update http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cyy8VGmjqS/
[23:30] <kostkon> new0, oh so you replaced your sources.list
[23:30] <kostkon> new0, but you are still getting the same errors
[23:31] <new0> kostkon, i did some comment and fix to source.list. but the google error it's different source.list. check the url i just send you from ask ubuntu
[23:32] <new0> this is the same as last pastebinit but with |& like akik told to do http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Js3Z67XktN/
[23:32] <new0> just not sure what is the different akik
[23:32] <akik> new0: no errors
[23:33] <new0> akik what do u mean? that it's only output text with no errors?
[23:33] <oerheks> that google list is in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ folder, and that last paste is not complete..
[23:33] <kostkon> new0, we are not seeing any errors
[23:33] <new0> akik if so i do need to produce the errors if those are exists
[23:34] <new0> oerheks, yes the sources.list.d but not sure what not complete. would u like me to do troubleshooting again? just dunno what cmd i need
[23:38] <new0> it's seems like i have just run sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get install -f with no problem
[23:39] <new0> let's see how i will do with sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:45] <gabefair> Is @flocculant here? His https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM page has not been updated since Ubuntu switched to systemd rather than Upstart
[23:47] <Bashing-om> gabefair: See if you can ping flocculant in the #ubuntu+1 channel .
[23:47] <gabefair> Thanks
[23:49] <new0> akik, kostkon, oerheks, tomreyn, it's seem like gist-upgrade start to work finally :)
[23:49] <make91> exit
[23:50] <kostkon> new0, reboot afterwards because it's a hell of an update
[23:51] <new0> kostkon, update? so why it's called dist-upGrade?
[23:52] <kostkon> new0, man apt-get :P
[23:52] <new0> kostkon, and np. now i understand that after dist-upgrade i need to reboot. unlike update
[23:52] <new0> kostkon, tnx
[23:53] <kostkon> new0, no it's just that a 700 package update is bound to make some changes to your system (most likely also install a new kernel) so it's better you reboot after it finishes
[23:54] <new0> kostkon, so.. it's not required but very highly seggested
[23:54] <new0> *suggested
[23:54] <kostkon> new0, something like that
[23:54] <new0> kostkon, tnx
[23:55] <new0> kostkon, at least it's not windows that 99% reboot solve problem or fix one just like antibiotic
[23:55] <kappa1> hi
[23:55] <kostkon> new0, windows will forcefully reboot your system anyway
[23:56] <kappa1> I can connect to a server via ssh, but then I cannot ping hostnames from that server
[23:56] <kostkon> new0, or i think it asks you now if you want to reboot. i hope that is the case
[23:56] <kappa1> what can I do to diagnose the problem?
[23:57] <new0> kostkon, well.. let's see. either case we are going to be more experience user now hehe
[23:57] <kostkon> new0, you've learned something today yep
[23:58] <new0> kostkon, and wow this dist-upgrade taking it's time
[23:59] <kostkon> new0, 703 packages is a lot to process
[23:59] <new0> kostkon, yea. a lot. but the big problem is that i don't use ubuntu much like win7 beacuse low hardware. but still better using git and php development with ubuntu. really prefer OS
[23:59] <new0> *preferred
[23:59] <new0> kostkon, so i heard. but where do u see it?
[23:59] <new0> plz teach me
[23:59] <new0> how can u tell?