[04:22] <EriC^^> morning all
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:47] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[06:32] <ducasse> good morning, people
[06:52] <JimBuntu> Great Morning ducasse , all is well?
[06:53] <ducasse> hi JimBuntu! all is well here, thanks, how about you?
[06:55] <JimBuntu> ducasse, It may be a bit early to tell, but everything seems fine so far. As is usual, a bit cold this early.
[06:58] <ducasse> well, i can't really tell either, but i'm awake and not crying so i assume things are good.
[06:58] <JimBuntu> That is a fair measure, awake and not in disorder, thing must be acceptable to some degree X-D
[06:59] <JimBuntu> Shucks, Harry Anderson ( Night Court ) died last night :-(
[07:00] <ducasse> unfamiliar to me, i'm afraid
[07:01] <JimBuntu> ducasse, It was an oddball, late-night U.S. TV Show from the late 1980s. Probably unfamiliar to many
[07:01] <Ben64> /proc/cpuinfo isn't giving me correct cpu speeds
[07:01] <Ben64> cpu MHz		: 1116.903
[07:02] <Ben64> :(
[07:03] <JimBuntu> Ben64, I think that output could be affected by the governor, what are your ondemand/power settings?
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> morning JimBuntu ducasse Ben64
[07:22] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje - getting ready for work?
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> yeah :p
[07:23] <ducasse> not happy about it? :)
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> well i told them the news, so im curious what will happen today
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> im curious how long i will still need to go
[07:27] <ducasse> they'll just have to start looking for someone, then - hope it doesn't take too long
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: yeah exactly
[07:28] <JimBuntu> No worries lotuspsychje , we can all pretend to be good candidates... then fail to show up, lol.
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> i was hoping that already you would travel overseas thousands of miles for me..
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> after that we can have that 'bionic beaver' houseparty
[07:30] <ducasse> :)
[07:31] <TJ-> Shouldn't that be the Bionic Beaver Dam Buster of a party?
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: first party, then bug afterparty lol
[07:38] <JimBuntu> gm lotuspsychje
[07:39] <JimBuntu> Oh, y'all know about the release party, right?
[07:39] <JimBuntu> !party
[07:39] <ubot5`> Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, #edubuntu, and #lubuntu are support channels. To countdown to !bionic release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/3339/
[07:40] <lotuspsychje> 6 guys know :p
[07:40] <gogeta> lol
[07:42] <JimBuntu> So few people in that channel... I wanna take it over, unsure of the rules or meaness of the ops
[07:43] <TJ-> I shall be taking a convenient vacation! all those nvidia/wayland/gnome/netplan/ifupdown/snap/PPA upgrade hell bugs can be someone elses... I'd suggest forwarding them all to SABDFL
[07:44] <TJ-> JimBuntu: you misunderstand... ubuntu-release-party is for when you're finally released from all bugs!
[07:45] <JimBuntu> TJ-, lol, all the bugs... that will be a while
[07:46] <TJ-> JimBuntu: here's how to make your fortune ... for every bug from the list I wrote above, invoice Canonical since most of them are directly caused by incomplete projects
[07:47] <JimBuntu> lolololololololol. They wouldn't pay.
[07:47] <JimBuntu> Upgrade bugs? Those don't exist, it's all user error,... all user error X-D
[07:48] <TJ-> I don't think there's a channel/forum for dealing with snap bugs is there? that's left to the user effectively, to contact each individual snap author? Do we have a way to easily determine when an executable/package is a snap?
[07:49] <TJ-> With 600+ engineers you'd think Canonical would assign some of those to fix support and bug fixing, not creating them!
[07:50] <JimBuntu> TJ-, at the rate of attrition, I think you can remove the "+" now... oh wait, now you can probably swap the 6 gor a 5... oh, and now... ;-)
[07:50] <TJ-> :)
[07:52] <TJ-> on an unrelated note - I've figured out how to confuse the Huskies. I've just put a single slice of over-ripe bacon on top of a fence post in strong winds... noses in the air but they can't figure out where it's coming from :p
[07:53] <akik> fixing bugs will get so much more effective with the data collection, right?
[07:55] <gogeta> akik, lol
[07:56] <JimBuntu> if Ubuntu could only 1+ their efforts, on a facebook/analytica scale, bigs would be eradicated overnight, right?
[07:57] <TJ-> akik: Actually yes. Back when we used popcon properly it would reveal trends quickly and focus on bugs followed. It's because a wider audience could quickly see where problems were arising, not just the (few) who were maintaining the problem packages
[07:59] <TJ-> In the next cycle's 'Chaotic' developer conference I'm going to suggest the primary thrust be not releasing new features but spending the time clearing the masses of bugs. In many cases bug reports are no longer relevant and can be closed/expired, but in others (regressions, feature requests, etc.) it would benefit the entire Ubuntu project to get them fixed
[08:00] <TJ-> It's got to the point where in many cases it doesn't look like the package maintainers check the bug reports; it's becoming like the wiki pages
[08:00] <gogeta> TJ-, hahahahah
[08:01] <gogeta> TJ-, its ubuntu they always chose the worst options they can
[08:01] <TJ-> It used to be I'd cross paths with other bug-control team members all the time whilst triaging bugs. Now, I feel like I'm in a desert - I never have that happen (either too many bugs, or other bug-control members have given up)
[08:02] <gogeta> TJ-, well with unity bugs they did give up
[08:03] <JimBuntu> TJ-, Are there others, I feel like it's only you now, lol. Sorry to laugh really, I know how that must feel. Either way, you are fighting the good fight, we all thank you, albeit without words most of the time.
[08:05] <TJ-> JimBuntu: no, there are others, but the bug-control team is a Launchpad entity. I don't think most members have ever focused on IRC. I do, because it's like having a pulse on problem areas in real-time. Many users don't want to go to the 'hassle' of reporting a bug to LP but will spend hours on IRC complaining/trying to fix
[08:06] <JimBuntu> TJ-, end-users complaining on IRC about things they wont report properly, surely you jest ;-D
[08:07] <TJ-> It's understandable ... many don't have the formal, procedural, mindset required for bug triage
[08:07] <TJ-> but IRC is a very good way to see the trends
[08:08] <TJ-> Likewise forums although I stopped focusing there about 7 years ago because of users failing to respond. At least on IRC you know instantly if a user abandons you in mid-investigation
[08:10] <JimBuntu> TJ-, I am still shocked at the number of people who come to IRC looking for help, after all these years and so many other ways... makes me wanna check out usenet groups again, lol.
[08:11] <TJ-> Yeah, I used to love NNTP - still do in fact. It's a great 'shared email' type system. lightweight, easy to distribute, etc.
[08:12] <TJ-> Used to be an ISP was judged on how good it's NNTP relay feeds were
[08:13] <JimBuntu> those days are gone, sadly.
[08:14] <TJ-> Might be coming back. The realisation of the detrmental effects of data-horders (Facebook, Google, et al) and the new European GDPR is pushing a lot of organisations into considering different solutions. Like fashion - what comes around, goes around
[08:16] <JimBuntu> That would be cool. Let IRC make a comeback, wait... no, stay that... I don't want to deal with the masses here. Usenet/newsgroups in general, that's ok.
[08:18] <TJ-> non real time help is in most cases preferably - time to organise thoughts, test potential solutions - which is what bug reports on LP are supposed to do
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys work
[08:20] <JimBuntu> lotuspsychje, cya
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> ,)
[08:20] <ducasse> ttyl lotuspsychje
[08:21] <JimBuntu> Agreed, I don't like the "help me now" mentality. I prefer to issue various things to try and await results. Often, I think I spend more time waiting for someone to find the keys, commands than listening to results... geez, that has to be all the time if I am honest
[08:23] <TJ-> Yes, or users that think they have to interpret or selectively issue the precise commands they're given, but don't tell you - so you end up wondering why results are different to what you'd expect
[08:23] <TJ-> That's what frustrates me most - something that should take 5 minutes can drag out for hours
[08:23] <TJ-> I think we should introduce a time-based fee!
[08:23] <TJ-> "First 15 minutes free, after which £1 a minute!"
[08:24] <TJ-> JimBuntu: do you do much programming?
[08:25] <JimBuntu> TJ-, about 10% of my professional time, maybe 1% of my off-time any more.
[08:33] <TJ-> JimBuntu: I'm developing a tool of the LXC suite focusing on automatically creating application containers. It will work by using an strace analyse of the files an executable and it's children access then building an LXC config to match. As part of that it needs to analyse an strace log. I'm planning on have it launch strace itself if necessary too.
[08:34] <TJ-> JimBuntu: in that case, I can either 1) call out to strace via execve() and run the tool like the user would or 2) embed the same strace functionality via library calls. Can't decide which to use. What would be your vote?
[08:37] <JimBuntu> us the user would will probably involve less work, library calls will allow for more control, I figure... I would probably go with the option that provides details in a similar fashion to how the user would as it will be the same kind of format when automated as if directly requested later when troubleshooting.
[08:40] <TJ-> yeah... it's lighter to call out since the package doesn't need additional library dependencies too, but feels a bit unclean/hackish :)
[08:41] <JimBuntu> TJ-, external exec commands will always feel hackish, lol, but at times they are actually less hackish as they provide exactly what's needed.
[08:47] <TJ-> yeah. I got stymied in the function where I was adding the execve() call and then got depressed thinking of the extra work required to be a purist and do library calls!
[08:48] <TJ-> now all I need do it pre-check the strace executable is available and suggest what to do if it isn't :)
[08:48] <TJ-> Right! time for a Husky run. Thanks for that. Chat later.
[09:34] <Ben64> JimBuntu: whatever the settings are, i get weird values in frequency
[09:36] <Ben64> gpu passthrough doesn't seem to work anymore either
[09:36] <Ben64> wonky bios updates?
[09:57] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:01] <JimBuntu> g'Morn BluesKaj
[10:01] <BluesKaj> 'Morning JimBuntu
[10:48] <BluesKaj> I should know better than to try dealing with admin types ...I seem to forget they aren't home users like me. My mistake on that one.  ;-)
[10:49] <JimBuntu> You mean that clueless user?
[11:09] <BluesKaj> yes
[12:27]  * slidinghorn yawns & frantically searches for coffee
[13:09] <BluesKaj> 63
[13:12] <BluesKaj> random
[13:13]  * BluesKaj empties the coffee pot
[13:41] <JimBuntu> and Gopal is back.
[13:41] <pragmaticenigma> JimBuntu, ??
[13:42] <JimBuntu> s10gopal in main.
[13:42] <kostkon> for the 99th time
[13:47] <slidinghorn> I was wondering what the policy was with that kind of thing
[13:47] <kostkon> he managed to get his bug report triaged. good job i say
[13:48] <kostkon> and 'in progress'
[14:11] <pragmaticenigma> slidinghorn, technically cross posting is limited to the askubuntu and irc channels... However, I saw quite a bit contributed to the bug ticket that I felt it was unnecessary for them to continue plugging it in the channel.
[14:38] <pragmaticenigma> feel like I'm talking to a wall
[14:39] <slidinghorn> pragmaticenigma: lol you pretty much are.  I almost wish he'd picked a different distro just to find out it didn't work there either
[14:39] <slidinghorn> but that's mean...
[14:40] <pragmaticenigma> it's one of those... if it's not in the documenation... why do you think a newer version is going to suddenly have it... they are probably writing their code in Visual Studio (or Visual Studio Code) and it's "helper" has it because MS compiler offers that function
[14:41] <slidinghorn> when people "threaten" to use a different distro I'm tempted to post the willy wonka "stop, don't, come back" meme
[14:42] <pragmaticenigma> In a way... wish there was a wall of shame for those that threaten so we can remember them when they inevitably come back
[14:42] <slidinghorn> lol
[14:43] <pragmaticenigma> if for nothing more to remember how rude they were
[14:43] <pragmaticenigma> sorry... my brain is fogged from a very long (and snowy) weekend
[14:44] <slidinghorn> No apologies needed here
[14:46] <pragmaticenigma> I think I'm ready to respond to those questions with, Have you googled this? Have you read the documentation? Have you triaged this on your own in anyway? If not, go do that and then we can help
[14:47] <pragmaticenigma> but that wouldn't be very nice
[15:04] <BluesKaj> not every user has acheived googlefoo or eben know how to go about reading documentataion or even heard of launchpad
[15:07] <slidinghorn> true, but (especially) in that case, it's no reason to be rude to folks trying to help
[15:08] <BluesKaj> the hi level questions that seem to outnumber the basic new user questions are scaring off the new users IM, and we do want new users.
[15:18] <BluesKaj> earlier this morning i apologized for a misinterpretation of an admins issue and he couldn'r wait to pounce and start throwing insults..how does that look to or encourage new users?
[15:19] <slidinghorn> BluesKaj: I don't think admins like that care.  They want *their* issue fixed, and to hell with anyone else
[15:22] <BluesKaj> slidinghorn, well yeah that's pretty obvious, but I'm disappointed in the ops , because i've been kicked for less attitude than that
[15:22] <pragmaticenigma> admins are a pain to deal with... I think they read too many BOFH stories and sort of take on that persona
[15:22] <JimBuntu> That person this morning sure didn't care if you were trying to help them BluesKaj , I think they changed their tone though
[15:23] <BluesKaj> it's not just him JimBuntu ..Ive sen quite few other cases lately
[15:31] <BluesKaj> yeah, pragmaticenigma , have you visited the debian chat lately? Now they have some very good examples of BOFHs :-)
[15:36] <pragmaticenigma> I used to read the stories when I was in college... I thought they were funny, until I caught myself thinking about doing something to a customer at my job as a CSR for an ISP... I had to stop reading
[15:39] <leftyfb> I LOVED BOFH
[15:40] <leftyfb> would never do any of the things he did to customers/clients, but man ... I was in tears at work one day reading them for the first time
[15:44] <JimBuntu> I just finished reading an awesome one... about a totally hip marketing suit
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[16:37] <JimBuntu> sup lotuspsychje
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> just got home from work JimBuntu
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> you want my headache? lol
[16:38] <JimBuntu> No thank you, I get enough of my own.
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> just took 2 pills, now 30min watching trolls
[16:39] <nacc> fun pills
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> lol nacc
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> nacc: yeah got them from JimBuntu those special kinda pills 'bionic beavers'
[16:40] <pragmaticenigma> you mean that only #ubuntu DOESN'T require registration :-(
[16:40] <nacc> lotuspsychje: :)
[16:41] <slidinghorn> pragmaticenigma: yeah that's not very sensical
[16:41] <JimBuntu> Hey, I thought we were saving these for the release rave?
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> saving saving...we only have one life :p
[16:43] <BluesKaj> release dates are an anti climax for us testers :-)
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/what-s-new-in-ubuntu-18-04-lts-bionic-beaver-since-ubuntu-16-04-lts-520726.shtml
[16:44] <BluesKaj> been running bionic in various stages since november...quite stable now for kde/plasma users
[16:44] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: seems like we got a bunch of good volunteers in here to take em all this time
[16:45] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje,  indeed :-)
[16:46] <pragmaticenigma> When does Deluge become the default torrent client?
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> !info deluge bionic
[16:46] <ubot5`> deluge (source: deluge): bittorrent client written in Python/PyGTK. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.15-2 (bionic), package size 20 kB, installed size 81 kB
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> optional
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> i always use qbittorrent pragmaticenigma
[16:47] <BluesKaj> yup, qbittorrent is my fav too
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> with a search function
[16:48] <pragmaticenigma> I used qbittorrent... but either my management technique or something about the torrents I used kept causing it crash ... and when it crashed it lost all local tracking history. So my Ratio goals would get lost
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: and you got it better in deluge now?
[16:49] <pragmaticenigma> haven't had any issues that I'm aware of
[16:49] <BluesKaj> pragmaticenigma, were you using it on private torrent sites?
[16:49] <pragmaticenigma> what do you mean BluesKaj
[16:51] <BluesKaj> the sites where you have to register and keep a certain ratio of up loads and downloads in oder to qualify for more
[16:52] <BluesKaj> like that defunct UK site ," The Box"
[16:52] <BluesKaj> haven't seen many of those around much anymore tho
[16:52] <pragmaticenigma> I'm talking distro ISOs... I download distros via torrent, and then contribute to 4 or 5 times the amount I download before I pull the plug
[16:52] <BluesKaj> ok
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: cool, oerheks also feeds torrents like that not sure wich client his on
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> think transmission
[16:56] <pragmaticenigma> What I liked about qbitorrent was it carried the tradition of showing you what segment/block you had downloaded
[16:57] <BluesKaj> well, I'm officially a "cord cutter" now, cable/sattv are gone from this household. So I'm now watching tv via my attic antenna or on the internet
[16:57] <pragmaticenigma> I've just gotten so used to the features of deluge, I haven't really considered changing them. Features I desire are watched folders (I wrote my own pythons script to pull and drop .torrent), scheduling and remote management
[16:57] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, did they get your internet squared away?
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: sounds cool, never tested deluge myself
[16:58] <pragmaticenigma> haven't had cable or sat since 2006. I think I started the trend :-P
[16:59] <BluesKaj> JimBuntu, not til tomorro, and I suspect that old coax cable that was buried in 1976 is faulty..
[16:59] <pragmaticenigma> i like it, very similar to uTorrent and qBittorrent lotuspsychje
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> kk
[17:00] <pragmaticenigma> BluesKaj, 1976?! cable probably isn't sheiled well enough
[17:00] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, hopefully they put it in good conduit so they can pull new cable through quick and easy
[17:01] <BluesKaj> JimBuntu, think it might be a month before I have cable internet here...til spring actually arrives
[17:01] <BluesKaj> looking outside one would swear it's the middle of January today
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> belgium 25 degrees..what has the world come to
[17:02] <pragmaticenigma> JimBuntu, you give cable companies too much credit... they take path of least resistance and least amount of effort
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> where is that wifi tru light when you need it :p
[17:04] <BluesKaj> goig to be +13C/55F and sunny on the weekend so there's hope  :-)
[17:06] <JimBuntu> Yeah, depends on the installer a lot of the time, hopefully you had good ones back then.
[17:10] <BluesKaj> I wasn't home when it was installed  and wife didn't pay much attention since she was lbusy looking after our youngest who was 3-4  months old
[17:14] <BluesKaj> I'm old, youngest grandchild is 17
[17:38] <slidinghorn> pragmaticenigma: I didn't watch it...should we non-chalantly fill the channel?
[17:38] <pragmaticenigma> Yes, I think that would be wise
[17:38] <pragmaticenigma> carefully though, we got to stay on topic
[17:43] <pragmaticenigma> slidinghorn, I haven't watched it either. I assumed that was potentially NSFW and didn't need something to potentially offend others in the office on my screen
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> https://www.deviantart.com/art/Black-style-740850278
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> another beaver showing up
[18:41] <lotuspsychje> grabbin neofetch
[18:42] <JimBuntu> use neofetch for the MOTD
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> https://imgur.com/a/Tz3SJ
[18:44] <JimBuntu> that was quick
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> :p im on an ssd
[18:45] <JimBuntu> Don't ya love the 8 second boot time?
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> grrr no on this beaver
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> JimBuntu: Startup finished in 6.118s (kernel) + 25.987s (userspace) = 32.106s
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> graphical.target reached after 25.933s in userspace
[18:46] <JimBuntu> Makes me want to go check my lappy on SSD
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> JimBuntu: your also on beaver?
[18:47] <JimBuntu> I am not
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> on unity was much faster
[18:48] <JimBuntu> Yeah, I'm signed in and at my desktop in 8
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> neat
[18:48] <JimBuntu> I mean, I don't think it matters much, because I don't really turn off the computers, especially the laptops
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> yeah then i understand bootup doesnt matter much
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> but im very paranoia
[18:49] <JimBuntu> Although, I got tired of waiting for the default status stuff to come up when I ssh in, so I went and stripped down all of the MOTDs
[18:49] <EriC^^> same here, it's on 24/7
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> i dont like a machine alive when im afk
[18:51] <JimBuntu> Uptime: 46 days, 7 hours, 27 mins... and that's probably the most recent boot
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> wow
[18:52] <EriC^^> mine gets rebooted sometimes, mostly battery drains in the bathroom
[18:52] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: what are you doing with a laptop in your bathroom :p
[18:52] <JimBuntu> neofetch defaults are pretty nice, even displays motherboard, hadn't looked closely at that
[18:53] <JimBuntu> "that's nasty"
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> me neither JimBuntu
[18:53] <EriC^^> lol i always take the laptop to the bathroom, i get bored without anything
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> electronics and bathroom steam dont match well
[18:54] <EriC^^> i end up sitting there for i dont know how long in the morning
[18:54] <JimBuntu> this thing is gettin old, GA-Z87X-UD5H
[18:54] <EriC^^> when i was little i used to take gaming magazines
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> cool EriC^^
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> i still buy those sometimes
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> linux magazine & PCM
[18:55] <daftykins> xD
[18:55] <daftykins> i'm the same with my RSS feeds for news
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: you mean hooked?
[18:56] <daftykins> spend too long in the bathroom reading news on the phone :D
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> i understand reading news, but why in the bathroom?
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> or you have a waterproof iphone?
[18:56] <EriC^^> taking dumps is boring
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> for under the shower lol
[18:57] <EriC^^> you just sit there waiting
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> ah the toilet..
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> a girl from work dropped her iphone in the toilet once
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> so i asked same question :p
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> the rice trick fixxed it again
[18:57] <JimBuntu> If I take my phone into the bathroom, it goes in a ziplock.
[18:58] <daftykins> xD
[18:58] <JimBuntu> I have little kids using that bathroom
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> can a smartphone camera be used as webcam on ubuntu? anyone tested that?
[19:00] <JimBuntu> I don't think I tried that one before
[19:00] <daftykins> be a bit wasteful really, i think there are android apps that might permit it
[19:05] <BluesKaj> suspend shut this pc down and had to use alt+prtscn SUB to boot,  seemed to go into suspend after I turned the power back on. it didn't respond to wakeup from the enter key
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: on beaver?
[19:06] <BluesKaj> yes
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> got the same on my desktop BluesKaj
[19:06] <BluesKaj> ok lotuspsychje, good to know
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> boot desktop==gdm3==afk==screen off== cant get out
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> so i have to hard reset and login again
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> didnt check logs yet on that
[19:08] <lotuspsychje> on netbook it works
[19:09] <EriC^^> i was having some suspend issues on the lenovo laptop, newer kernel fixed them
[19:09] <BluesKaj> I just shut this pc down before going to bed at night , don't see the point of sleep etc .
[19:09] <BluesKaj> or suspend
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> i never liked hibernate either
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> dont use, shutdown why take the risk
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: was that on beaver?
[19:11] <EriC^^> no 16.04
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> ah
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: you have a help page on hibernate acpi issues?
[19:11] <BluesKaj> besides it 's a ssd so there's no spinup and moving parts except the fans whcich seldom turn since the cpu has a cooler on it
[19:11] <EriC^^> nope
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> we got alot of those in #ubuntu
[19:11] <EriC^^> yup
[19:12] <EriC^^> i'll be adding more stuff to it later
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: looks pretty neat already with the red highlighted text
[19:12] <EriC^^> having some fun with making icons and stuff now
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> cool
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> ttyl
[19:32] <BluesKaj> well, time to call it a day...take care
[19:54] <pragmaticenigma> Is there an op anywhere?
[19:56] <daftykins> ask in their channel?
[19:56] <pragmaticenigma> I did... no response
[19:57] <daftykins> tried the trigger to highlight them all? or check idle status manually
[19:57] <pragmaticenigma> ??
[19:58] <pragmaticenigma> the ops trigger in main room... no... don't need to feed the troll any further
[20:21] <daftykins> no do it in the ops channel.
[20:38] <oerheks> tomreyn, new0 again :-D
[20:38] <tomreyn> oerheks: indeed. not for long, though, i'm hungry. ;)
[20:39] <daftykins> never let a help-ee get in the way of a good meal :D
[20:40] <tomreyn> :)
[20:52] <pauljw> hi everyone
[20:54] <daftykins> wb \o
[20:55] <pauljw> :)