[00:08] <bugzbunny> SlidingHorn: I like to hear about this fud?
[00:10] <bugzbunny> daftykins: You mean licenses ?
[00:10] <bugzbunny> 'agenda'
[00:11] <bugzbunny> You people have a huge echo chamber
[00:12] <chu> Welcome to the Internet
[00:13] <bugzbunny> You think that's okay?
[00:14] <chu> No, but have fun trying to prevent it, or otherwise change it in any meaningful way
[00:14] <bugzbunny> Freenode is the leader of behavior
[00:14] <bugzbunny> Thats' primary source to fix the issue
[00:21]  * daftykins spots a weirdo, walks off
[00:22] <leftyfb> "you people"
[00:22] <leftyfb> bugzbunny: who is "you people"?
[00:23] <bugzbunny> SlidingHorn: daftykins oerheks
[00:45] <SlidingHorn> what do you want this time?  Why are you still here?
[00:45] <bugzbunny> I dislike you
[00:46] <SlidingHorn> well congratulations...get in line
[00:46] <bugzbunny> Is that it
[00:46] <bugzbunny> Well, people dislike me too
[00:46] <bugzbunny> I still dislike you
[00:46] <SlidingHorn> I dislike people giving people bad information and going off on unrelated tangents, yet I keep your name out of my posts
[00:47] <SlidingHorn> so what do you want?  why do you deem it necessary to tag me?
[00:47] <daftykins> goodness me, handbags at dawn, people
[00:48] <bugzbunny> You mean you comments?
[00:49] <bugzbunny> So you afraid?
[00:49] <SlidingHorn> that doesn't even make sense.
[00:50] <bugzbunny> Sure, for idiot
[00:50] <daftykins> junior trolls aren't known for grammatical accuracy :)
[00:51] <pragmaticenigma> trolls in general get off on being a nuisance.. they crave attention and always have to have the last word. even if it is to say they don't have to have the last word
[00:52] <bugzbunny> For sure when you don't want accountability.. You want to discredit, to announce for the rest room -I do no wrong-
[00:53] <leftyfb> bugzbunny: can you please just stop? Just stop. Please stop.
[00:54] <bugzbunny> no
[00:54] <bugzbunny> Ban me
[00:54] <SlidingHorn> you heard the man...
[00:54] <bugzbunny> Ban me
[00:54] <leftyfb> bugzbunny: shut up
[00:54] <leftyfb> bugzbunny: you can leave on your own
[00:54] <leftyfb> just type /part
[00:54] <bugzbunny> Ban me
[00:54] <leftyfb> just leave
[00:54] <bugzbunny> Never
[00:55] <leftyfb> why
[00:55] <leftyfb> why do you come here if you don't like anyone and nobody likes you?
[00:56] <bugzbunny> I have belief that won’t be thrown away like a piece of shit… That belief is that no matter what, we all treated as equals.
[00:57] <leftyfb> more garbage
[00:57] <bugzbunny> That belief, won't scare me away from this room because you punks think, you tougher than me
[00:57] <bugzbunny> Then ban me
[00:58] <leftyfb> bugzbunny: as usual, you don't actually listen ... to anyone. I don't have the ability to ban you or you would have been removed a long time ago
[01:00] <bugzbunny> leftyfb: That's silly when we actually every talk
[01:00] <bugzbunny> leftyfb: When or what time we ever talk?
[01:01] <leftyfb> please go away
[01:01] <bugzbunny> If you using those comments as evidence that you talk to me I never listen
[01:01] <bugzbunny> The answer is no
[01:01] <bugzbunny> No
[01:01] <Ben64> this is so confusing
[01:02] <nacc> especially if you've /ignore'd one of the conversants
[01:02] <daftykins> certainly not doing Warner Brothers' rep any good
[01:02] <daftykins> :)
[01:04] <Ben64> well, reading the scrollback helped a bit, but none of it makes sense
[01:04] <daftykins> g'night all :>
[01:04] <bugzbunny> To clear things up, as long as I am around, we treated as equals. He has my belief
[01:05] <daftykins> no, you're a loser, grow up
[01:06] <leftyfb> +1
[01:06] <bugzbunny> Yes, I see
[01:08] <bugzbunny> You don't like what I say, I am a loser
[01:08] <leftyfb> for once, you are correct
[01:08] <bugzbunny> Don't you read back what you say?
[01:09] <pragmaticenigma> I like to live in the moment... why worry about the past
[01:10] <bugzbunny> leftyfb: I never dislike you, you people SlidingHorn daftykins oerheks
[01:10] <leftyfb> We do not like you. You don't make any sense. You only speak of yourself. You are VERY damaging with your "help" in the other channel. You give people very incorrect advice and make troubleshooting more difficult for the people who actually know what they're doing and are trying to help.
[01:10] <leftyfb> That clear enough for you?
[01:10] <bugzbunny> leftyfb: Where am I damaging?
[01:11] <bugzbunny> Give examples
[01:11] <leftyfb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
[01:11] <bugzbunny> Where am I damagine
[01:12] <bugzbunny> Give examples
[01:12] <leftyfb> To speak to you is pointless. I will stop now. Please leave.
[01:12] <bugzbunny> Because you have no proof, it's pointless
[01:19] <leftyfb> "<bugzbunny> athena_: Yes, the new 18.05 I think, is the new LTS"
[01:19] <leftyfb> that was easy
[01:19] <bugzbunny> Is it?
[01:21] <pragmaticenigma> yes, because the next version of Ubuntu is 18.04 ... which has been posted all over the internet and is even in the topic of the channel that you didn't read, along with the code of conduct that you agree to by participating in Ubuntu's official IRC channels.
[01:25] <bugzbunny> chu: set the room +r
[01:25] <bugzbunny> chu: That way prevents me to come back in that room
[01:26] <chu> Or, you could just exercise self-control and save me the effort of having to deal with you.
[01:26] <bugzbunny> no
[01:26] <bugzbunny> chu: NO
[01:27] <bugzbunny> chu: Ban me, send the message for the rest of room, they be happy
[01:28] <leftyfb> bugzbunny: don't worry, you'll get your wish
[01:28] <bugzbunny> No
[01:28] <bugzbunny> I got kline 10 times
[01:28] <chu> That's not something to be proud of.
[01:28] <bugzbunny> 10 times, I am sorry, 100 times
[01:29] <leftyfb> And yet here you are, continuing with your garbage. Making life more difficult for others
[01:29] <bugzbunny> Every time, I told freenode staff members my belief
[01:30] <bugzbunny> That has change
[01:30] <bugzbunny> s/has/hasn't/
[01:30] <chu> What a productive way of spending your time.
[01:30] <bugzbunny> Yes, I will contine to spend money, my time, to continue to pursue what I believe
[01:43] <bugzbunny> So, I will continue to be here
[01:44] <bugzbunny> Out of spit 21:42 < leftyfb> quidnunc: sorry, if that's a btrfs thing, I'm not familiar with it
[02:08] <Ben64> admitting you don't know something is a good thing
[02:14] <bugzbunny> No, that's damaging for #ubuntu Ben64
[02:15] <SlidingHorn> So we should follow your example and give wrong advice when we don't know something?
[02:15] <hggdh> folks, please do not engage
[02:15] <bugzbunny> I never give wrong advice
[02:15] <SlidingHorn> then why is he still here?
[02:15] <leftyfb> LOL
[02:15] <bugzbunny> Give examples where
[02:16] <pragmaticenigma> You just gave wrong advice not more than a little bit ago with your Ubuntu 18.05 comment
[02:16] <bugzbunny> LOL
[02:16] <bugzbunny> K
[02:17] <SlidingHorn> or when you told someone that their ISP was slowing them because they werent running Windows https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/04/05/%23ubuntu.html#t07:38
[02:17] <bugzbunny> 21:18 < bugzbunny> athena_: Yes, the new 18.05 I think, is the new LTS
[02:17] <bugzbunny> This
[02:17] <bugzbunny> Is wrong advice?
[02:18] <pragmaticenigma> yeah... there is no Ubuntu 18.05... it's only been said continuously that the next version is 18.04
[02:19] <SlidingHorn> "when you don't know the answer, just make something up"
[02:20] <bugzbunny> I am sorry, I'll make sure to 17.10, oops, 18.05
[02:20] <bugzbunny> ops 17.05
[02:20] <pragmaticenigma> still wrong bugzbunny
[02:20] <bugzbunny> oops 18.85
[02:20] <bugzbunny> 18.04
[02:20] <bugzbunny> Got it
[02:20] <pragmaticenigma> there ya go...
[02:20] <SlidingHorn> no longer even hiding the fact that they're a troll
[02:23] <SlidingHorn> I have no idea why he's not fully banned at this point.  I've seen people banned for MUCH less obvious trolling.
[02:23] <bugzbunny> You complain enough
[02:23] <bugzbunny> People get banned
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:23] <SlidingHorn> morning lotuspsychje  :)
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> hey hey
[04:25] <lotuspsychje> yes gnome-shell in my updates :p
[04:25] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-shell bionic
[04:25] <ubot5`> gnome-shell (source: gnome-shell): graphical shell for the GNOME desktop. In component main, is optional. Version 3.28.1-0ubuntu1 (bionic), package size 669 kB, installed size 7390 kB
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> neat
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> !info gjs bionic
[04:28] <ubot5`> gjs (source: gjs): Mozilla-based javascript bindings for the GNOME platform. In component main, is extra. Version 1.52.1-1ubuntu1 (bionic), package size 26 kB, installed size 55 kB
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> lets reboot :p
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> lol getting an ubuntu welcome screen
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> ah its for livepatch
[05:35] <Kharma> Suggestions for a great CLI based calendar/reminder program, bonus points for colour support.
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> hey xangua
[05:40] <xangua> Hello
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> breakfast
[06:10] <SlidingHorn> Kharma: have you seen pal?
[06:10] <SlidingHorn> Kharma: (palcal.sourceforge.net) - available in the repos
[06:14] <SlidingHorn> (there's apparently a newer version in the repos than the one on that site
[06:21] <ducasse> good morning, everyone
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[07:15] <ducasse> morning lotuspsychje - how are you?
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> fine mate, how did your day started
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> 25 degrees here
[07:17] <ducasse> quiet here, but payday :)
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> cool
[07:19] <ducasse> you getting ready for work?
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> yeah got an hour :p
[07:22] <ducasse> got visitor coming in a few minutes, got to get ready for that
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> ah nice ducasse enjoy that
[07:23] <ducasse> you have fun at work, the weekend is coming soon :)
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: yeah tnx
[08:29] <Kharma> SlidingHorn:  Thanks for that! Hadn't heard about it yet!
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> bbl work time
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> have a nice1
[11:45] <guiverc> :) @ pragmaticenigma (2nd privacy policy url on other channel)
[11:46] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:48] <JimBuntu> obvious troll is obvious
[11:50] <BluesKaj> looks like alright'
[11:50] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, did you just call out their kink? That's not cool ;-)
[11:51] <pragmaticenigma> or they don't know how the internet works
[11:53] <pragmaticenigma> oh no!
[12:18] <BluesKaj> I need a decent PCI-E soundcard recommendation especially one that has decent SPDIF output specs. Was looking at this https://www.amazon.ca/Asus-Playback-Support-Xonar-DSX/dp/B007TMZ1MY
[13:23] <SlidingHorn> ha!  I just looked at the backlog to see what y'all were talking about...no kink shaming JimBuntu! :P
[13:26] <pragmaticenigma> I really wanted to tell them... then maybe you shouldn't look at that stuff if you're affraid of someone figuring it outtttt
[13:26] <pragmaticenigma> also... in this modern age, if I give my SO acceess to my computers, they get their own account. no sharing
[13:29] <JimBuntu> SlidingHorn, yeah, it's been an oddly entertaining morning. Busy with loads of quickly answered questions the other day, at least 3 trolls in the 2 channels I frequest the most today.
[13:32] <pragmaticenigma> BluesKaj, you left AmR|EiSa left hanging
[13:33] <BluesKaj> I've had a brain fart , cam't remember the method used to install that bcm driver
[13:34] <leftyfb> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[13:34] <pragmaticenigma> BluesKaj, might want to update them?
[13:46] <BluesKaj> the kernel-source driver might work for him...guess we'll find out
[13:48] <pragmaticenigma> Don't know if they know to try it
[14:14] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb, because their buddies do, and so they thought it was cool and want to do it too
[14:14] <leftyfb> it's so frustrating
[14:14] <leftyfb> sorry
[14:14] <leftyfb> dealing with another guy on another linux help channel on another network that has been refusing to look things up on their own for years
[14:17] <JimBuntu> leftyfb, please make #ubuntu-paid, lol
[14:17] <leftyfb> the other guy is getting paid for his ignorance as well
[14:17] <pragmaticenigma> right?
[14:21] <SlidingHorn> leftyfb: so this other guy is having y'all do his actual job for him?  :/
[14:22] <SlidingHorn> oh nevermind, I just saw in the main channel...wow.
[14:23] <pragmaticenigma> I don't mind helping someone do their job... but when they aren't even willing to use Google and look things up and have some simple background information is just infuriating
[14:23] <leftyfb> that person has no business setting up this environment for a job
[14:40] <BluesKaj> obviously it's been a while since I compiled that bcm driver ...hope I'm not getting too old for this stuff
[14:49] <BluesKaj> but now iguess i have to walk him thru it
[14:51] <pragmaticenigma> you can do it!
[16:11] <leftyfb> that cholby has been there quite a bit and trolled under lots of names and ip's
[16:13] <JimBuntu> So, here's an idea... there should be a thing where when an op iso-kicks you... you wind up in a mock room, there are people talking... but it's actually only copies of conversations from other rooms. The user can talk, but what they say doesn't get mirrored. There could even be a couple bots in there with generic responses to the isolated-user.
[16:15] <leftyfb> nah, that strive for the response from others
[16:15] <JimBuntu> We have applied this in radio before, everyone changed frequency, but we were running it through a repeater on the old frequency... so, the person who was trying to harass everyone kept on thinking they were... meanwhile we didn't have to deal with them any more.
[16:15] <leftyfb> mirroring/bots won't be adequate responses to their trolling
[16:16] <leftyfb> well, maybe
[16:16] <leftyfb> if the bots were pretty decent in their responses
[16:16] <leftyfb> and the mirroring was a lot of traffic
[16:18] <JimBuntu> Well, it works a bit better in radio, because one of their tactics is simply to try and transmit over-top of you and require less feedback from the talkers. Something to think about though.
[16:19] <leftyfb> keying over
[16:19] <leftyfb> you're talking CB radio right?
[16:19] <leftyfb> I used to be into that for a while
[16:20] <JimBuntu> Since this is IRC, then instead of totally isolating the user, all iso-kicked users land in the same channel... they can troll each other never knowing if the other is there for being a troll
[16:21] <JimBuntu> leftyfb, I'm specifically talking about GMRS (the licensed version, no test only a fee), but the same could be done (and was) on HAM. I haven't heard of a CB repeater, but it's totally doable.
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[16:58] <pragmaticenigma> I swear new0 just does this to run us in circles
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> how you guys like the new bionic welcome screen
[17:03] <pragmaticenigma> I don't know... I haven't seen it :-P
[17:04] <pragmaticenigma> waiting for release to install it on my spare machine
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> 2 new windows, one for livepatch/ubuntu one
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> 1 for ubuntu welcome and send statistics to canonical + help screen
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> donfluffles: welcome, #ubuntu is only for support matters
[17:06] <donfluffles> yeah the only live support of ubuntu is hexchat
[17:07] <donfluffles> well
[17:07] <donfluffles> i dont know if i should switch to windows or not
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> donfluffles: your in ubuntu here, we reccomend using ubuntu
[17:08] <JimBuntu> donfluffles, Are you looking for live support, where you can call someone and get help or have a contract for service?
[17:08] <donfluffles> no ubuntu seems to complexic for me
[17:09] <donfluffles> and no jim
[17:09] <lotuspsychje> donfluffles: complex how?
[17:09] <JimBuntu> donfluffles, what support avenues other than forums, corporate help site, IRC and YouTube is it that you are looking for then?
[17:09] <donfluffles> help site
[17:09] <donfluffles> ..
[17:10] <JimBuntu> Tried https://help.ubuntu.com/ ?
[17:10] <donfluffles> JimBuntu, im not searching for support centers i was just mocking
[17:11] <JimBuntu> Oh, sorry, not paying close attention and though you were looking for other ways to get help like documentation, wiki's tutorials, lol
[17:11] <donfluffles> wiki is helpful but not always
[17:11] <JimBuntu> There is also paid support, from a number of companies... I was about to suggest you move to RHES, lel
[17:13] <pragmaticenigma> JimBuntu, Ubuntu also has paid support through Canonical (Ubuntu's parent company)
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> !esm
[17:13] <ubot5`> Canonical offers paid extended security support for 12.04 through the Ubuntu Advantage program. For more information, see https://ubuntu.com/esm . ESM is not an Ubuntu community offering; please direct questions about it to Canonical directly.
[17:13] <donfluffles> Richmond Hill Elementary School
[17:13] <donfluffles> rude
[17:14] <donfluffles> and disrespectful
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> ?
[17:15] <donfluffles> he just called me a kid
[17:16] <donfluffles> that was a good one though
[17:16] <donfluffles> nice trick you did there
[17:16] <nacc> donfluffles: please stop trolling.
[17:17] <donfluffles> okay then
[17:17] <JimBuntu> donfluffles, come on over to #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> troolnight yayy
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: there's a user in #ubuntu+1 with kde issue
[17:28] <nacc> and it's only thursday!
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> nacc: are you prepared :p
[17:29] <JimBuntu> Thank goodness it's 4thMonday, I'm ready for Friday
[17:29] <pragmaticenigma> at least MJCD knows to just leave
[17:29] <nacc> lotuspsychje: well, on the one hand, my impetus to help is decreasing, as i leave canonical on monday :)
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> nacc: you serious?
[17:30] <pragmaticenigma> nacc, oh no
[17:30] <nacc> lotuspsychje: yeah, although i'll still be around helping as i find time, just less of a priority
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> nacc: whats you new plan in life then?
[17:30] <nacc> i'm going to digitalocean's systems performance team (kvm performance)
[17:30] <nacc> just doing something new
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> cool
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> nacc: own decide, or a canonical thing?
[17:31] <nacc> lotuspsychje: my own decision
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> we hear alot of employees leaving?
[17:31] <nacc> it seems like it again
[17:31] <JimBuntu> sweet nacc, I'll be sure to find a way to push a ticket or two your way over at DO
[17:32] <nacc> JimBuntu: please do! i've not really used it much, tbh, but I'll hopefully be able to help out
[17:32] <JimBuntu> nacc, I have used it professionally, back when they started as well as personally... we had to move to the normal players... but I still use it for some of my personal stuff.
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> reboot after update gnome-initial-setup
[17:34] <nacc> JimBuntu: cool -- so you're on AWS now?
[17:34] <JimBuntu> AWS and GCP
[17:36] <nacc> JimBuntu: cool
[17:36] <ducasse> good localtime(), everyone
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[17:36] <JimBuntu> heh, Hey there ducasse
[17:37] <ducasse> \o lotuspsychje, JimBuntu - all well today?
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> yeah great here ducasse
[17:38] <JimBuntu> 3 more hours to go and I'm still smiling, so yeah, pretty good day so far.
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> hmm seems like last update did something usefull
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> apps jump open quicker
[17:55] <pragmaticenigma> wb lotuspsychje
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[17:55] <pragmaticenigma> yo ducasse
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: lol :p
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> all fine EriC^^
[18:05] <EriC^^> :P
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> nite nite all
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> see you another twilight zone
[19:46] <JimBuntu> nite
[19:48] <SlidingHorn> pragmaticenigma: that was freudian "customer kernels don't want to leave" xD
[19:48] <pragmaticenigma> yeah
[19:48] <pragmaticenigma> been a long day
[20:54] <pragmaticenigma> it got so quiet all the sudden
[23:17] <Kharma> Opinions please..Cmus, MOC or mp3blaster?
[23:26] <oerheks> there is also pytone, sox .. if you like console based players
[23:26] <oerheks> .. i do not.
[23:27] <oerheks> i *do* like python, so i would go for pytone :-D
[23:30] <Kharma> I'm trying to replace most of my day to day GUI programs with console based options :) Not because I have a slow system, just because for whatever reason, I like them. I find them more customizable as I love eye candy.
[23:33] <daftykins> surely what little customisation there is, is of an alphanumeric type only :P
[23:41] <Kharma> LoL, so true, since most of the colourization is done using alphanumeric strings lol
[23:56] <Kharma> Is ALSA better to use vs. Pulse?
[23:56] <Kharma> Currently I use Pulse, hasn't really played around with ALSA yet, seems fancy
[23:58] <oerheks> ALSA is the kernel level sound mixer, it manages your sound card directly. ALSA by itself can only handle one application at the time .. PulseAudio is a software mixer, on top of the userland (like you'd run an app). When it runs, it uses Alsa - without dmix
[23:59] <oerheks> Firefox uses alsa solely
[23:59] <oerheks> err wrong pulseaudio solely