[14:56] <tribaal> o/
[14:58] <sil2100> o/ (a few minutes too early for waving!)
[14:59] <xnox> ooooh
[15:00] <juliank> \o\
[15:00] <juliank> /o/
[15:00] <juliank> \o/
[15:00]  * slangasek waves
[15:00] <philroche> \o
[15:01] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Apr 19 15:01:07 2018 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:01] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[15:01] <gaughen> o/
[15:01] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e slangasek bdmurray xnox tdaitx doko sil2100 rbalint infinity cyphermox mwhudson rcj philroche Odd_Bloke tribaal fginther juliank)
[15:01] <slangasek> bdmurray mwhudson juliank slangasek rcj infinity sil2100 Odd_Bloke fginther philroche rbalint xnox tdaitx cyphermox doko tribaal
[15:02] <bdmurray> submitted RT regarding removing core files from swift
[15:02] <bdmurray> found more bugs indicating issues with ubiquity upgrade (LP: #1152399)
[15:02] <bdmurray> committed a bug pattern regarding the ↑ issue
[15:02] <bdmurray> submitted ubiquity MP re dropping of upgrade option (LP: #1756862)
[15:02] <bdmurray> retraced an apt apport crash report which was directly upload to LP 😕
[15:02] <bdmurray> sent an email to ubuntu-devel re gnome-software and metapackages
[15:02] <bdmurray> reviewed mwhudson's subiquity install docs
[15:02] <bdmurray> investigation into failed queue retracer backlog
[15:02] <bdmurray> discovered the failed queue retracers aren't retracing the failed queue‼
[15:02] <bdmurray> resurrected apport for trusty in my PPA to fix apport's autopkgtests
[15:02] <bdmurray> investigation into meta-release file cacheing and how it might go bad
[15:02] <bdmurray> emailed doc team and ubuntu quality regarding removal of ubiquity upgrade option
[15:02] <bdmurray> uploaded avahi SRU for LP: #1760128 (lots of dupes)
[15:02] <bdmurray> research into ca-certificates bug LP: #1764848
[15:02] <bdmurray> triage of apport-package bionic bug reports
[15:02] <bdmurray> pinged kubuntu team about bug LP: #1622499
[15:02] <bdmurray> digging in update-notifier and systemd user jobs kind of like bug LP: #1761841
[15:02] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:03] <bdmurray> juliank:
[15:03] <juliank> * apt:
[15:03] <juliank>   - landed hook support for snap integration
[15:03] <juliank>   - landed zstd support
[15:03] <juliank>   - released apt and python-apt 1.6; opened 1.7 branches :)
[15:03] <juliank> * networkd-dispatcher:
[15:03] <juliank>   - MIR
[15:03] <juliank>   - dropped iw|wireless-tools depends to suggests
[15:03] <juliank>   - made it read hooks from /usr/lib instead of /etc (bug 1765152)
[15:03] <juliank> * fixing ftbfs page to only show main stuff in team lists (pending merge)
[15:04] <juliank> * seeded pv and socat in supported-cloud
[15:04] <juliank> (done)
[15:04] <juliank> odd weechat
[15:04] <slangasek>  * one week from release and I feel fine
[15:04] <slangasek>  * review of inbound last minute kernel packaging changes
[15:04] <slangasek>  * review of shim-signed changes
[15:04] <slangasek>  * misc FTBFS fixes
[15:04] <slangasek>  * misc archive cleanup (priority-mismatch, component-mismatch)
[15:04] <slangasek>  * reached out to web team for download page changes
[15:04] <slangasek>  * fixed ubiquity VT conflict properly LP: #1763739
[15:04] <slangasek>  * network stack design discussions
[15:04] <slangasek>  * FFe reviews
[15:04] <slangasek>  * prep for roadmap sprint the week after release
[15:04] <gaughen> slangasek, is your first line meant to be sung?
[15:04] <slangasek> (done)
[15:04] <slangasek> gaughen: /all/ my lines are meant to be sung
[15:04] <gaughen> lol
[15:04] <slangasek> rcj:
[15:04] <rcj> rcj:
[15:04] <rcj> * ✋HIGHLIGHT: google-cloud-sdk shipping in Bionic as a snap rather than deb package in Google Compute Engine images
[15:04] <rcj> * cloud-image test improvements / fixes
[15:04] <rcj> ✓ done
[15:05]  * doko turns down the volume
[15:05] <gaughen> woot!
[15:05] <gaughen> rcj, should we put that in the release notes?
[15:05] <sil2100> Ok, no infinity here
[15:05] <gaughen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes
[15:05] <sil2100> Let me go
[15:06] <sil2100> - SRU reviews and releases
[15:06] <sil2100> - FFe reviews
[15:06] <sil2100> - A lot of bionic queue reviews
[15:06] <sil2100> - Investigating and resolving the debian-installer broken non-latin locale (thanks Colin!)
[15:06] <sil2100> - Investigating and fixing ubiquity not pre-selecting the keyboard layout per locale
[15:06] <sil2100> - NEW review of lightdm-settings
[15:06] <sil2100> - grub2:
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Sending auto-nvram patch for upstream review
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Adjusting patch verbosity and preparing patch and preparing git-dpm branch for merge
[15:06] <sil2100> - Some short fun with security britney2 juju charm
[15:06] <sil2100> - Spinning new base language-packs for bionic
[15:06] <sil2100> - Stressed with incoming release
[15:06] <sil2100> (done)
[15:06] <slangasek> Odd_Bloke:
[15:06] <Odd_Bloke> * Back from vacation, so mostly catching up
[15:06] <Odd_Bloke> * Vanguard for cloud image build system, largely in preparation for bionic release
[15:06] <Odd_Bloke> * Started work on cloud-specific model assertions for cloud images
[15:07] <Odd_Bloke> (done)
[15:07] <Odd_Bloke> fginther:
[15:07] <fginther> * Refactored xenial GCE image to the new build system
[15:07] <fginther> * Worked with IS to enable updated jenkins slaves
[15:07] <fginther> * Testing of new automation for partner cloud image publication
[15:07] <fginther> * Fixed the jenkins log analyser to correctly fetch logs in our production jenki
[15:07] <fginther> ns environments
[15:07] <fginther> (done)
[15:07] <philroche> * Deliver early preview of Bionic to public clouds
[15:07] <philroche> * Cloud image build system vanguard
[15:07] <philroche> (done)
[15:07] <fginther> philroche:
[15:07] <gaughen> slangasek, infinity, sil2100 should we call out the snapped agents in the release notes
[15:09] <sil2100> gaughen: we could, but not sure if we had such cloud-specific changes in the release notes before
[15:09] <tdaitx> Short week: 1.5 days off due to personal issues
[15:09] <tdaitx> * OpenJDK 10 as default JDK
[15:09] <tdaitx>   - libcommons-lang3-java, gradle, groovy fixes (ongoing)
[15:09] <tdaitx>   - javah, invalid source/target, ant default to --release, doclets
[15:09] <tdaitx> * OpenJDK 8 security update
[15:09] <tdaitx>   - applied s390x fix (from upstream)
[15:09] <sil2100> But maybe I was just unlucky with artful not having those
[15:09] <tdaitx> (done)
[15:10] <cyphermox> - [HIGHLIGHT] netplan 0.35 - 'netplan try' landed, fixed mii-monitor-interval, etc.
[15:10] <cyphermox> - MIR reviews
[15:10] <cyphermox> - ubiquity release 18.04.6
[15:10] <cyphermox> - lots of examples, docs updates to website / git thanks to powersj
[15:10] <cyphermox> - uploaded shim-signed, dkms changes to self-sign DKMS modules
[15:10] <cyphermox> - reviewed initramfs-tools netplan integration changes
[15:10] <cyphermox> - started SRUs for netplan breadcrumbs, mii-monitor-interval fixes
[15:10] <gaughen> sil2100, thanks. I'm not sure we'll call it out then - as it's not a new package in the image but a move to a snap
[15:10] <cyphermox> - started SRUs for DKMS+shim-signed u-s-p changes to xenial, artful
[15:10] <cyphermox> - discussed netplan YAML syntax checking updates with dja
[15:10] <cyphermox> (done)
[15:10] <rbalint> o/
[15:10] <xnox> Worked on rax-nova-agent, xe-guest-utilities, and progressing with maas/livecd-rootfs/subiquity.
[15:10] <xnox> Talking about IPv6 RA, and SCSI scans.
[15:10] <xnox> ✅ done.
[15:11] <tribaal> * Travel to Iceland
[15:11] <tribaal> * Worked on Minimal builds
[15:11] <tribaal> * Handover task to other team members (I'm leaving :/)
[15:11] <tribaal> * Thanks for all the good times and for being awesome.
[15:11] <tribaal> (done)
[15:12] <rbalint> * new unattended-upgrades release
[15:12] <rbalint> * finalizing and uploading dpkg zstd support
[15:12] <rbalint> * things i can't report yet (i think)
[15:12] <rbalint> (done)
[15:13] <slangasek> doko:
[15:13] <doko> - gcc-7 / gcc-8 updates
[15:13] <doko> - python 2.7.15rc1 update
[15:13] <doko> - java related syncs
[15:13] <doko> - investigate issues likely to be caused by the --push-state --no-as-needed --popstate usage
[15:13] <doko> - fix some ftbfs
[15:13] <doko> - process some MIRs
[15:13] <doko> (done)
[15:14] <slangasek> questions on status?
[15:14] <slangasek> forgot to mention, I'm off tomorrow
[15:15] <bdmurray> I'm out on Monday
[15:16] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[15:16] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Bugs
[15:16] <tdaitx> doko you mentioned additional java relarted failures on update_excuses, under what packages are those?
[15:17] <bdmurray> there are still a bunch of bugs targetted for bionic
[15:17] <bdmurray> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:18] <doko> tdaitx: search for csvjdbc and all down to libpdfbox2-java
[15:18] <tdaitx> doko: ack, thanks
[15:18] <slangasek> bdmurray: any of these we should highlight for fixing before GA vs. being candidates for SRU?
[15:19] <bdmurray> xnox: are you still working on bug 1749199?
[15:20] <tdaitx> doko: is there any I should be aware that is not listed under "Maintainer: Debian Java Maintainers"?
[15:20] <doko> tdaitx: I didn't check. LO still seems to build
[15:21] <bdmurray> Also is there a hold up on bug 1761630? its Fix Committed
[15:22] <xnox> bdmurray, yes, still working. Specifically, i dislike that if things are chosen to be deconfigured and deinstalled as part of the upgrade, they are not purged/removed later on. Only leaf things end up purged. So I'm working on improving the transaction to ensure things chosen for removal mid-upgrade, are purged, and not just removed.
[15:22] <slangasek> bdmurray: the fix for that is stuck in bionic-proposed due to libfastjson MIR
[15:22] <xnox> bdmurray, not sure if I should be stashing / remembering removed things, in case of an upgrade failure, and only purging them upon successful upgrade.
[15:23] <bdmurray> xnox: Are you doing it in ubuntu-release-upgrader? If so did you look at PostUpgradeQuriks?
[15:23] <slangasek> xnox: upstart is already unsupported in xenial except for upgrades; I think you should not overengineer
[15:23] <doko> slangasek, xnox: do we want to include libfastjson in the rsyslog source?
[15:23] <slangasek> doko: is that the MIR and security team's guidance?
[15:24] <doko> the MIR team doesn't dislike that
[15:24] <doko> and the security team doesn't dislike it either
[15:24] <xnox> slangasek, it's not just upstart. And upstart is totally supported and required on xenial, since on xenial it is the user-session init.....
[15:25] <slangasek> xnox: is this about system-level conffiles?
[15:25] <xnox> slangasek, yes.
[15:25] <slangasek> xnox: that are unused for the user session?
[15:26] <xnox> the upgrade bugs area bout system-level conffiles; user session init does not use system-level conffiles; but in xenial it was shipped in the same binary package....
[15:27] <xnox> *are about
[15:27] <slangasek> xnox: right - so I think there's no significant impact from just rm -f'ing the conffiles from whatever's doing this cleanup
[15:30] <bdmurray> cyphermox: it looks like there is an MP for bug 1741690.
[15:31] <cyphermox> bdmurray: aye
[15:33] <slangasek> bdmurray: any others?
[15:34] <bdmurray> slangasek: Oh maybe we should talk about the screen upgrade issue
[15:34] <bdmurray> bug 1761997
[15:36] <bdmurray> It needs 775 in Xenial and 777 in Bionic.
[15:36] <slangasek> bdmurray: two options to fix it: set perms in the preinst, or handle the perms of screen itself via dpkg-statoverride instead of shipping the current upgrade-incompatible perms in the package
[15:37] <gaughen> are we agreed we need to fix this one for release, bdmurray ?
[15:37] <bdmurray> gaughen: I agree with myself
[15:37] <gaughen> :-)
[15:37] <slangasek> bdmurray: does it affect artful->bionic?
[15:38] <bdmurray> slangasek: No, it doesn't because artful has it as 777
[15:38] <slangasek> bdmurray: then the deadline is 18.04.1, right?
[15:38] <bdmurray> slangasek: Oh, I see.
[15:38] <bdmurray> Yes
[15:43] <bdmurray> that's it then from me
[15:44] <slangasek> ok
[15:44] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:44] <slangasek> anything else?
[15:45] <rbalint> slangasek: can we retarget LP: #1488620 to 18.04.1, too?
[15:45] <rbalint> (it was not allowed to 18.04.0)
[15:46] <slangasek> rbalint: you can target it, yes ;)
[15:46] <rbalint> \o/ :-)
[15:46] <slangasek> rbalint: (doesn't mean I consider it a priority for 18.04.1, but we would at least consider it for SRU)
[15:47] <rbalint> :-\
[15:55] <slangasek> sounds like there's no other business
[15:55] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:55] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Apr 19 15:55:48 2018 UTC.
[15:55] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2018/ubuntu-meeting.2018-04-19-15.01.moin.txt
[15:55] <slangasek> thanks!
[16:06] <sil2100> Thanks!
[16:43] <elopio> wxl: jose: marcoceppi: ahoneybun: we start in 15 minutes.
[17:00] <elopio> wxl: jose: marcoceppi: ahoneybun: elacheche: meeting time. Who's online?
[17:00] <elopio> where's flexiondotorg?
[17:01] <jose> o/
[17:01] <Wimpress> elopio: I've changed nick :-)
[17:01] <Wimpress> Or rather, using a different alias.
[17:01] <elopio> Wimpress: oh, good!
[17:02] <elopio> do we wait for one more person, or should we start now?
[17:03] <jose> I'd say we wait for quorum
[17:03] <jose> I think Aaron is here?
[17:04] <elopio> ahoneybun?
[17:05] <elopio> elacheche said he would arrive late. I heard no word from the rest.
[17:08] <jose> if anything, I can only be here for the first hour
[17:14] <ahoneybun> elopio, Yes here.
[17:16] <elopio> ok. Wimpress, jose: are you here too? If so, I will start.
[17:16] <jose> in and out but yes
[17:17] <elopio> jose: in and out is not good enough. These meetings have been scheduled since we started :/
[17:19] <jose> well, I have to work too. if you prefer to not count me in, feel free to, but I'll still be watching and responding.
[17:19] <elopio> I prefer to count only the people who is in the meeting.
[17:19] <elopio> we asked before if we should move the time in case people were busy, and nobody has proposed a different time.
[17:20] <Wimpress> Here
[17:20] <elopio> This is getting very very boring. We knew about these meetings when we proposed ourselves to the council.
[17:21] <ahoneybun> elopio, people have work and life to work around. Please try to understand that. This is a volunteer position.
[17:22] <elopio> ahoneybun: this is not any volunteer position. All the info was upfront before the election.
[17:22] <elopio> and if this is not a good time, we can move it to a better time. But instead, people decide just not to show (without giving any notice), or to show and not participate.
[17:25] <ahoneybun> elopio, not getting paid makes it a volunteer position: https://www.google.com/search?ei=8tDYWoKvGojgjwTD2p_4Bg&q=volunteering+definition&oq=voluteering+de&gs_l=psy-ab.1.1.0i10k1l7.2821.3379.0.4696.3.3.0.0.0.0.76.202.3.3.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.3.201....0.mEnKGZ7pAW0
[17:25] <ahoneybun> I'm sorry : http://www.dictionary.com/browse/volunteer
[17:25] <elopio> it is not *any* volunteer position
[17:26] <elopio> it is one where you get a lot of commitments
[17:27] <ahoneybun> My biggest commitment is keeping my job. I'm sorry but some days it's not busy and I can watch IRC all day and some days I don't.
[17:27] <jose> okay, let's call this meeting off for now. we'll reconvene and discuss this later. thanks, everyone.
[17:27] <elopio> ahoneybun: you can at least let us know. And you can suggest a better time.
[17:27] <elopio> or you can work async, to make up for the meetings you miss
[17:28] <elopio> or so many other possible options.
[17:28] <elopio> the choice of not doing nothing is not one I will understand.
[17:29] <ahoneybun> I understand that I was defending that jose did explain it.
[17:30] <Wimpress> Is this meeting time not suitable for everyone?
[17:30] <Wimpress> We have just chosen to follow what previous CCs did.
[17:31] <Wimpress> This topic of turning up and participating is occupying a lot of our time when we get together.
[17:32] <elopio> I'm happy to meet at (almost) any other time.
[17:32] <Wimpress> I'd prefer we were not navel-gazing when we meet.
[17:33] <ahoneybun> Wimpress, the time is fine for me most of the time. It really depends on how busy I am at work.
[17:33] <elopio> I'm also happy to just meet with whoever is present, and consider that quorum even if it's two people.
[17:34] <Wimpress> Me too ^
[17:35] <elopio> let's start then, Wimpress.
[17:35] <Wimpress> #startmeeting
[17:35] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Apr 19 17:35:50 2018 UTC.  The chair is Wimpress. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:35] <elopio> #startmeeting Community Council meeting: 20180419
[17:35] <meetingology> elopio: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.
[17:36] <Wimpress> #startmeeting Community Council meeting: 20180419
[17:36] <meetingology> Wimpress: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.
[17:36] <Wimpress> #endmeeting
[17:36] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Apr 19 17:36:11 2018 UTC.
[17:36] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2018/ubuntu-meeting.2018-04-19-17.35.moin.txt
[17:36] <elopio> :)
[17:36] <Wimpress> #startmeeting Community Council meeting: 20180419
[17:36] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Apr 19 17:36:15 2018 UTC.  The chair is Wimpress. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:36] <elopio> So, we start with Wimpress and elopio present, jose and ahoneybun in and out. elacheche excused himself, wxl and marcoceppi haven't reported themselves
[17:37] <jose> wxl said he's attending to a medical emergency
[17:37] <elopio> noted.
[17:37] <elopio> #topic Progress from last meeting
[17:38] <elopio> #subtopic Bold bug triaging - jose and Wimpress
[17:38] <elopio> can you please tell us how did that go?
[17:39] <Wimpress> I am perhaps under the incorrect assumption jose was dealing with that?
[17:39] <Wimpress> I offered to help but I think jose was onit?
[17:40] <jose> I emailed about it and had no response, I will re-email about it
[17:40] <Wimpress> jose: Thanks. Who did you mail?
[17:40] <elopio> jose was on it but you said you would sync with him and help if needed.
[17:41] <jose> lemme check
[17:41] <Wimpress> jose: Just forward me the email and I'll chase it.
[17:42] <jose> wgrant
[17:42] <jose> gotcha
[17:42] <jose> will do that later on
[17:42] <Wimpress> fwd the mail and I'll talk to wgrant
[17:42] <Wimpress> Thanks.
[17:43] <elopio> #action jose will forward the email to Wimpress, Wimpress will follow up.
[17:43] <meetingology> ACTION: jose will forward the email to Wimpress, Wimpress will follow up.
[17:43] <elopio> thank you. Next
[17:43] <elopio> #subtopic Triage CoC bug - all CC.
[17:43] <Wimpress> Haven't looked at all, sorry.
[17:44] <elopio> I didn't do it. I made some progress about CoC, that I will tell you about on a future topic. And I'm not going to take any actions today, I will just focus on CoC
[17:44] <elopio> jose: ahoneybun?
[17:44] <Wimpress> Wise
[17:45] <jose> I haven't checked CoC bugs - I though we were going to set times for us to group-review them?
[17:46] <ahoneybun> reading.
[17:46] <elopio> on the previous meetings, we have said that all the issues need triaging first, and that we should all take a few
[17:47] <elopio> none of us have done it, so it remains for the next meeting.
[17:47] <ahoneybun> Sounds good.
[17:47] <elopio> #subtopic Clearly define governance seats, terms, and quorum. @elacheche
[17:47] <elopio> elacheche: please update the status on the community hub post for this meeting.
[17:48] <elopio> #subtopic Contact the liri and enlightenment community, to start with those two. @Wimpress
[17:48] <Wimpress> I have done the discovery.
[17:48] <Wimpress> Have contacts from Bohdi Linux and an Ubuntu community contributor maintaining a PPA for E21.
[17:48] <Wimpress> Also have several contacts for Liri, two also with LP active accounts.
[17:49] <Wimpress> Have sent emails yet.
[17:49] <Wimpress> Will send emails in the next day or two.
[17:49] <Wimpress> Bit crazy with the 18.04 release around the corner.
[17:49] <elopio> #action Wimpress will send the emails to liri and enlightenment contacts
[17:49] <meetingology> ACTION: Wimpress will send the emails to liri and enlightenment contacts
[17:49] <elopio> thank you. Next
[17:50] <elopio> #subtopic Make a post on the hub about the guerrilla marketing campaign. @Wimpress
[17:50] <Wimpress> I have started a draft, it isn't finished.
[17:50] <Wimpress> I'll get around to finishing and posting this after 18.04 and UbuCon Europe.
[17:50] <Wimpress> So probably the week of our next CC meeting.
[17:51] <elopio> Wimpress: I will have time in may, if you need a hand with it. Should I keep the same action?
[17:51] <jose> can we put it in a gdoc or etherpad? that way maybe we can all contribute and get it off the door asap
[17:51] <Wimpress> Yes, keep the action.
[17:51] <Wimpress> I post in a gist and share with you.
[17:51] <Wimpress> Or a gdoc or whatever. Sure.
[17:51] <Wimpress> I will circulate the draft.
[17:51] <elopio> #action Make a post on the hub about the guerrilla marketing campaign. Share the draft. @Wimpress
[17:51] <meetingology> ACTION: Make a post on the hub about the guerrilla marketing campaign. Share the draft. @Wimpress
[17:52] <Wimpress> But it won't be this week or next week.
[17:53] <elopio> I think we are in no hurry with that one. It would be nice for 18.10
[17:53] <elopio> so start anytime next month should be more than enough.
[17:53] <jose> sounds great :)
[17:53] <elopio> #subtopic Talk to the translations coordinators and the launchpad team to join the discussion on the hub. @elopio
[17:54] <elopio> one of the translations coordinator was already participating in the hub discussion.
[17:54] <elopio> let me paste the link here for later reference
[17:54] <elopio> https://community.ubuntu.com/t/reconcidering-workflows/4656
[17:54] <elopio> my point there is to work closer with upstreams, and less with launchpad.
[17:55] <elopio> gunnarhj said that has been always the idea. I didn't now this, at all. If that's the case, maybe we can close launchpad translations for all the packages that are not patched in ubuntu, and things like that, to make it clearer.
[17:56] <elopio> I'm not sure where the discussion will lead, but it's good to have it. Feel free to leave your thoughts in there.
[17:56] <elopio> #subtopic Figure out how to do a private backlog on the hub or on launchpad @elacheche, @Wimpress
[17:57] <elopio> anything happening there?
[17:57] <Wimpress> Sorry, no.
[17:57] <elopio> I don't think that elacheche collected the actions of the previous 3 meetings, so I'm not sure if this is going to work.
[17:58] <elopio> elacheche: please report on the topic on the hub.
[17:58] <elopio> ok, that's what we have from the previous meeting.
[17:58] <elopio> something else to report about the work of the past two weeks?
[17:58] <Wimpress> Not from me.
[17:59] <Wimpress> FYI - final freese for 18.04 today.
[17:59] <Wimpress> *freeze even.
[17:59] <elopio> \o/ awesome!
[17:59] <elopio> Let's jump to the next point on the agenda.
[17:59] <Wimpress> I'm looking forward to getting to bed before 3am again :-)
[18:00] <elopio> :) please don't burn out Wimpress, we need you!
[18:00] <elopio> #topic Add a section about inclusiveness to the code of conduct - @elopio
[18:01] <elopio> sorry, I phased out.
[18:02] <elopio> I was at an interesting event on the weekend. We were learning from Mozilla about enforcing the code of conduct.
[18:02] <elopio> that's very relevant for us, because we have had three reports already. And we have responded, but it's always hard to know how to do it.
[18:03] <elopio> they are forming a community of communities, to discuss about these issues. Their next call is going to be on may 4th.
[18:04] <elopio> I'll join for sure. And I'll send you the details in case somebody else wants to join.
[18:04] <elopio> That's one thing. The other is that on our first meeting we talked about being more inclusive, but we didn't have a clear idea of how to do it.
[18:04] <Wimpress> Sounds interesting.
[18:05] <Wimpress> I'd be interested in joining to.
[18:05] <elopio> we can get some good ideas from the Mozilla team, because they are doing an awesome job there.
[18:05] <Wimpress> Yep.
[18:05] <elopio> my first goal is to add a section about inclussiveness into our code of conduct. Probably, copying what mozilla has on their contributor guidelines.
[18:06] <elopio> For that, I first need to convince you that we need it. So I will work on finding data to support it, and planning the next steps to make it more than letter in a website.
[18:06] <Wimpress> Do we need to make proposals to change the CoC and get sign off from Mark or are we the custodians?
[18:06] <elopio> so, I don't have a lot to tell yet, but I will have in the upcoming meetings.
[18:07] <elopio> Wimpress: I think should get a sign off even if it's not required. And I have no idea how it works for the people who have already signed it, I saw something about versions on lauchpad
[18:07] <elopio> but that's part of the work to do, figure out all the details.
[18:08] <Wimpress> OK, so we need to find out what the process is.
[18:08] <elopio> any questions? suggestions?
[18:08] <Wimpress> I have no objection to updating the CoC.
[18:08] <Wimpress> Just want to learn what the correct process for doing so is.
[18:09] <jose> I think in the past it's been discussion, review, and merge into the CoC branch in LP
[18:09] <elopio> I will also consult with Jono, because I know this was not added by design. I think we will disagree, but it would be good to have his opinion.
[18:10] <Wimpress> Yep.
[18:10] <elopio> ok, feel free to join me if you want to help. Next.
[18:10] <elopio> #topic Member for life, the wrong policy - @om26er
[18:10] <elopio> I don't think omer is around
[18:12] <elopio> a short summary is that he's making two proposals: first, do not let people renew their membership after it expires. Second, make a check with the current members (every two years I think) to see if their ar still active.
[18:12] <elopio> I guess the actions for us is to get involved in that topic
[18:12] <jose> I think Mark had a said on that a while ago, saying something around the words of 'if you had valuable contributions to Ubuntu once, we thank you for them and consider you a member for life', I think it'd be worth consulting with Mark
[18:12] <elopio> https://community.ubuntu.com/t/member-for-life-the-wrong-policy/5257/1
[18:13] <Wimpress> Peoples circumstances change.
[18:13] <elopio> I live being a member for life. But the discussion is interesting.
[18:13] <Wimpress> I was active in the Ubuntu community from 2004 to 2009. Then dissappeared until 2014.
[18:13] <Wimpress> Because I started a family.
[18:14] <elopio> Let's make this action
[18:14] <elopio> #action If people from the CC have opinions about the topic, join the discussion on the hub.
[18:14] <meetingology> ACTION: If people from the CC have opinions about the topic, join the discussion on the hub.
[18:14] <Wimpress> I think people who acheived membership in the past and elect to renew their membership should be permitted to do so.
[18:14] <Wimpress> It is possible they will once again become active, as I did.
[18:14] <elopio> then, if there's something actionable related to membership status, we can discuss here again, and involve Mark.
[18:15] <elopio> I would like to take this as an opportunity to start thinking about ways to get new members and recover the old ones.
[18:16] <elopio> on the post, I used the communitheme as an example. How do we get all that energy into people signing the code of conduct, planning for future activities with their communities, and being proud members?
[18:17] <Wimpress> I've replied on the Hub.
[18:17] <elopio> but, I said I would take no actions this meeting, so I will push it to may, unless somebody else wants to do something about it now.
[18:17] <Wimpress> Well the flavour bootstrapping is my idea to get some new members.
[18:17] <elopio> yes, and the guerrilla marketing. Those are great.
[18:21] <elopio> ok, the last topic was the review of actions with elacheche. So, there's nothing left.
[18:21] <Wimpress> Any other business?
[18:22] <Wimpress> I need to go and read bedtime stories. So...
[18:22] <Wimpress> 5...
[18:22] <elopio> I'm still angry, so I would like to point out: ahoneybun: you have taken no actions on this meeting. jose: your only action is to forward an email.
[18:22] <Wimpress> 4...
[18:22] <Wimpress> 3...
[18:23] <elopio> the problem is not only the meeting, to me. We can discuss more in the next one.
[18:23] <Wimpress> 2...
[18:23] <Wimpress> OK
[18:23] <Wimpress> 1..
[18:23] <Wimpress> Right, that's all folks. See you in two weeks.
[18:23] <Wimpress> #endmeeting
[18:23] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Apr 19 18:23:37 2018 UTC.
[18:23] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2018/ubuntu-meeting.2018-04-19-17.36.moin.txt
[18:23] <elopio> bye, have a nice weekend.
[18:23] <Wimpress> And you.
[18:26] <ahoneybun> elopio, I did not have any actions.
[18:28] <elopio> That's the problem ahoneybun. What are you doing as part of the CoC?
[18:28] <ahoneybun> elopio, you mean CC ?
[18:29] <elopio> yes.
[18:29] <ahoneybun> Don't worry I've sent an email to the mailing list.