| pragmaticenigma | oerheks, very insightful explanation :) | 02:15 |
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| lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 03:35 |
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| ducasse | good morning, everyone | 06:14 |
| guiverc | morning ducasse - great sleep I hope & ready for your day (& on second++ cup of c..) | 06:20 |
| ducasse | hi guiverc - still waking up here but think i'm ok, thanks, how about you? | 06:22 |
| guiverc | very good thanks :) | 06:25 |
| SlidingHorn | morning ducasse :) | 06:39 |
| ducasse | hi SlidingHorn - how are you today? | 06:42 |
| SlidingHorn | Not too bad :) Yourself? | 06:44 |
| ducasse | i'm good, i think :) | 06:44 |
| lotuspsychje | morning ducasse guiverc SlidingHorn | 07:02 |
| guiverc | Morning lotuspsychje - ready for your day I hope, hot coffee in hand :) | 07:06 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah just made one :p | 07:06 |
| ducasse | morning lotuspsychje | 07:06 |
| lotuspsychje | had a nice day with your visit ducasse | 07:08 |
| ducasse | yes, was out shopping last night. getting ready for the weekend? :) | 07:09 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah finally :p | 07:11 |
| ducasse | lotuspsychje: any plans for the weekend? | 07:17 |
| SlidingHorn | I screwed up my sleep schedule...I think I'm gonna try to have some coffee and stay up | 07:22 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: yeah birthday cakes & more birthday sat & sun | 07:22 |
| ducasse | lotuspsychje: your birthday? | 07:28 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: yeah for me and my dad, but its in may for me, early party | 07:29 |
| ducasse | ah, ok. when in may? | 07:30 |
| lotuspsychje | 11 | 07:30 |
| ducasse | i'll try to remember, so we can get you a cake :) | 07:33 |
| lotuspsychje | hehe | 07:33 |
| JimBuntu | Happy Friday, April 20th, peeps! | 10:57 |
| guiverc | Thanks JimBuntu & Happy Friday to you too. | 10:59 |
| BluesKaj | Hi Folks | 11:07 |
| JimBuntu | Great morning to you Bluekaj | 11:09 |
| JimBuntu | Unsure why I am in a good mood, but I think I'll try to keep it. | 11:10 |
| ducasse | hi JimBuntu, keep your good mood, feels better than being grumpy :) | 11:11 |
| JimBuntu | Yeah, I think so... I also think that like being grumpy is contagious, being happy can be too... we shall see how that plays out for today. | 11:12 |
| guiverc | JimBuntu, sounds good, don't turn on a tv, nor look at a newspaper, just go outside & look at the trees, wildlife etc... Sip your tea or coffee & enjoy! | 11:13 |
| ducasse | ...and stay away from the trolls! | 11:15 |
| ducasse | any plans for the weekend, JimBuntu? | 11:15 |
| BluesKaj | Hey ducasse, JimBuntu | 11:16 |
| ducasse | hi BluesKaj - having fun with the new connection? | 11:16 |
| BluesKaj | well, it's what I expected and so far so good , ducasse :-) | 11:17 |
| BluesKaj | they tried to block my vpn , but that was easily defeated by changing the DNS settings in the router | 11:19 |
| ducasse | blocking your vpn - wth for? | 11:19 |
| BluesKaj | dunno, your guess is as good as mine | 11:20 |
| BluesKaj | trying preserve bandwidth is my guess | 11:21 |
| BluesKaj | a lot of ISPs do that here in NA | 11:23 |
| ducasse | wow, weird. sounds more like stuff they do in china. | 11:25 |
| BluesKaj | it's a small attempt to prevent illegal downloads, most computer users with a little bit of knowledge about networking can work around it. | 11:27 |
| guiverc | ISPs here in aus started blocking more sites in last few months I noticed, it was to stop illegal downloads the site the directed you to said (they caught sites unrelated to anything illegal too) | 11:29 |
| ducasse | right. they're dns blocking a few torrent sites here, but it doesn't seem like the block lists are actively maintained. | 11:30 |
| JimBuntu | Great, so they are basically helping the darknet have more reason and users... good job big brother | 11:30 |
| guiverc | my isp doesn't like xubuntu-community-wallpapers ... 403 [forbidden] for 18.04 just like 17.10 & all back to (i forget when, before 12.04)... my isp must think they are X rated | 11:33 |
| BluesKaj | most of the biggie torrent sites like piratebay, limewire, and rarbg aren't blocked here, the oddtime they get taken down by heavy traffic tho | 11:33 |
| JimBuntu | guiverc, I would definitely be sending in bug tickets, possibly on a daily basis for blocking that | 11:35 |
| guiverc | yeah I should (again!) - i haven't sent one in awhile so will... (its their local mirror only) | 11:38 |
| BluesKaj | I just use my own wallpapers | 11:38 |
| BluesKaj | or some from thje kde site | 11:38 |
| JimBuntu | I normally use my own, but blocking something like xubunu-community-themes seems a little silly to me... if it's only the local mirror, maybe there are other items on the mirror causing it. | 11:39 |
| BluesKaj | that is kind ofstrange alright | 11:41 |
| guiverc | its the same files each time.. was upgrading 17.10 (ubuntu+xfce+mate+..) to 18.04 which aborted due 403 on files; i've added a non-isp-mirror to bypass for now (do it each install) http://ftp.iinet.net.au/pub/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/ & try and access xubuntu-community-artwork [403] but others no issue... i'll send em an email... | 11:46 |
| guiverc | I too use my own chosen wallpaper - but I do love looking thru the defaults so I do want em. (au.archive.ubuntu.com gave me the isp-denied files) | 11:49 |
| JimBuntu | So, it's that well known of an issue that the archive maintainers are aware and have a workaround, yeah, it's probably due to other things that resolv to the same IP/etc. | 11:50 |
| guiverc | which is probably too complex for the ISP's monkeys to understand & explain to me.... should I still raise a ticket with them? | 11:52 |
| guiverc | (them being isp iinet) | 11:52 |
| guiverc | or lp or other? | 11:53 |
| JimBuntu | I would raise the flag with them, they can decide what to do from there. | 11:54 |
| guiverc | will do, thanks JimBuntu | 11:55 |
| BluesKaj | trying to setup the vpn proxy in konversation, but looks like it's still buggy | 11:55 |
| BluesKaj | brb | 11:55 |
| BluesKaj | proxy doesn't work, even with plain old nickserv | 11:58 |
| BluesKaj | gonna try one more change | 11:59 |
| BluesKaj | Connection to server chat.freenode.net (port 8001) lost: Proxy host not found ....hmm | 12:01 |
| pragmaticenigma | bummer... gksudo is no more in 18.04 | 15:11 |
| leftyfb | I never used it anyway | 15:14 |
| leftyfb | sudo worked fine for me | 15:14 |
| pragmaticenigma | I do so much via nano when it comes to changing system files... not much use for me either. About all I used it for was launching baobab so I could scan from "/" | 15:38 |
| nicomachus | I always got gksudo and gksu confused anyway and felt weird using them. | 15:41 |
| daftykins | leftyfb: you're not supposed to use that against GUI apps because it can screw up permissions | 15:43 |
| daftykins | however if you are sudo-ing a GUI app in the first place, more often than not, you're doing something wrong :D | 15:44 |
| leftyfb | daftykins: I never have a problem | 15:44 |
| daftykins | well we saw users with it going wrong loads, so i don't know what to tell you :) | 15:44 |
| pragmaticenigma | daftykins, would you have a link to something to help explain the difference? I've always struggled to explain why a person should use gksudo versus just raw sudo | 15:46 |
| daftykins | not to hand no, but it's something along the lines of it running the GUI app with your home directory but as root - so the user's ~ files can get permissions changed | 15:48 |
| daftykins | been too long since i did support to remember clearly :> | 15:53 |
| daftykins | (i don't use any desktop Linux) | 15:53 |
| * SlidingHorn gasps | 15:54 | |
| daftykins | hrmm this intel microcode updates for spectre mitigation thing is becoming a real problem imo | 15:54 |
| daftykins | for example, i have an intel sandybridge (second generation) core i5 laptop here from Sony which i repaired when a client spilled a drink over it | 15:54 |
| daftykins | 13", dual-core with HT, 8GB DDR3 and a cheap SSD... but it's not going to get a BIOS update at all | 15:55 |
| daftykins | mind you this is only a problem for Windows i guess since you guys running a Linux natively can just have the boot-time microcode updated | 15:55 |
| daftykins | on another system though, a friend helped me insert the microcode into the BIOS and then i was able to flash the result - meaning it was done for any OS | 15:59 |
| daftykins | no BIOS downloads are available for this system, so i will have to have a go at whether i can dump the existing one | 15:59 |
| daftykins | there we go, dumped the BIOS fine | 16:15 |
| tomreyn | how do you "insert the microcode into the BIOS"? wouldnt this modified bios be rejected because its signature would mismatch? | 16:41 |
| tomreyn | or is there just no signature check? | 16:41 |
| tomreyn | and how do you do it anyways (how do you find out how to insert the microcode into the firmware image) | 16:41 |
| tomreyn | ? | 16:42 |
| daftykins | tomreyn: often there is a check yeah, you just use a secret utility switch which ignores that | 16:42 |
| daftykins | there are tools out there which can read an image, identify each distinct module, then overwrite an old with a newer | 16:43 |
| tomreyn | daftykins: you mean binwalk? | 17:20 |
| daftykins | nope | 17:20 |
| daftykins | oh for the tool, i have no idea | 17:20 |
| daftykins | highly doubt it's a Linux one though if that's what that is | 17:21 |
| tomreyn | daftykins: i'd like to read a how-to on this is there is one. or just one describing how you did it. | 17:21 |
| tomreyn | binwalk is linux, yes. | 17:21 |
| daftykins | well as i mentioned a friend modded the image for me, so i've got no idea | 17:21 |
| daftykins | all i did was dump the existing and then send it to him :) | 17:21 |
| tomreyn | oh i see. | 17:21 |
| daftykins | if we chat again sometime i'll ask for the forum link again, he definitely linked me - i just didn't bother to learn myself | 17:22 |
| daftykins | i don't know why i said no though - i'm sure any tool that can read image files will be capable | 17:22 |
| tomreyn | still interesting. i've seen such being done on bios modding forums, but it's always this "i dont explain how i do it because i'm an expert and don't want to share" approach. | 17:22 |
| daftykins | haha yeah i know what you mean | 17:23 |
| daftykins | in fact when i followed the guide it didn't work because the BIOS vendor had replaced the afudos.exe tool with one that no longer had the special switch for ignoring signatures | 17:23 |
| daftykins | had to find a follow-up post which had a link to an alternative which still had it | 17:24 |
| tomreyn | was this uefi or legacy bios? | 17:24 |
| daftykins | an Asus Q87M-E BIOS which is natively EFI, but with CSM capability | 17:25 |
| tomreyn | i see, nice, so a modern one. | 17:26 |
| tomreyn | i wonder whether we could come up with firmware manufacturer specific generic instructions for staging uefi firmware updates for installation on next boot. | 17:27 |
| daftykins | highly unlikely to be safe | 17:27 |
| tomreyn | well if you just stage it and have the firmware check the signature on next boot then i guess it couldbe safe | 17:28 |
| tomreyn | either it takes it or leves it be. | 17:28 |
| tomreyn | but surely some of those signature checks are not entirely reliable | 17:28 |
| daftykins | the tool had to be told to force flash, some people reported that some functions misbehaved afterward | 17:28 |
| daftykins | tomreyn: the tool's 'force' option also does a full erase prior, so definitely an all-or-nothing approach :) | 17:40 |
| daftykins | chip swaps would be the only way back out of that | 17:40 |
| tomreyn | you probably needed to take some extra 'precautions' since the firmware was not validy signed | 17:55 |
| daftykins | nah i just went for it :D only £8 on ebay to have a guy in the Netherlands ship you a new chip with a version of your choice flashed! :D | 17:56 |
| daftykins | or i could have attempted to reflash via hotswapping in another board | 17:56 |
| kostkon | https://imgur.com/gallery/0jt6Sr5 | 19:18 |
| pragmaticenigma | I don't think they put enough we're tracking you items in there | 19:22 |
| JimBuntu | If I were Canonical, I would activate the camera every so often... how many people are wearing pants is an important metric. | 19:25 |
| daftykins | xD | 19:26 |
| daftykins | would that package be called BeaverPantSpotter ? | 19:27 |
| JimBuntu | daftykins, Well, it would track more than pants.. could probably s/Pant// | 19:27 |
| daftykins | i debated typing it as such ;) | 19:27 |
| JimBuntu | Gotta keep it friendly. But think off all the new stats... How many Ubuntu users have beards? Now we know thanks to BeaverPantSpotter ! | 19:28 |
| daftykins | \o/ | 19:28 |
| JimBuntu | "Nose ring detected,... taking actions " | 19:29 |
| pragmaticenigma | tin foil hat detected... uninstall hexchat | 19:29 |
| JimBuntu | "Single ear detected, adjusting L-R Stereo balance" | 19:29 |
| daftykins | phew :) | 19:29 |
| JimBuntu | LOL, "Tin foil hat detected, activating double-VPNs" | 19:30 |
| daftykins | first time user, freenode webchat disabled | 19:30 |
| JimBuntu | ROFL. At least the #Ubuntu channel | 19:30 |
| daftykins | indeed :> | 19:30 |
| pragmaticenigma | JimBuntu, that's when it detects dimly lit room with ham radio in background | 19:30 |
| JimBuntu | pragmaticenigma, meanie | 19:30 |
| JimBuntu | "Kids playing in background, activating safe browsing" | 19:31 |
| * pragmaticenigma is guessing JimBuntu has Ham radio in background with dimly lit room | 19:31 | |
| JimBuntu | pragmaticenigma, it's a brightly lit room, today... it's sunny out | 19:32 |
| pragmaticenigma | Single VPN mode | 19:33 |
| pragmaticenigma | :-P | 19:33 |
| kostkon | "Retro machine in the background detected installing quake" | 19:33 |
| kostkon | SNAP time! https://uappexplorer.com/snap/ubuntu/quake-shareware | 19:33 |
| daftykins | :S | 19:34 |
| daftykins | tomreyn: got the link from my mate - https://www.win-raid.com/t154f16-Tool-Guide-News-quot-UEFI-BIOS-Updater-quot-UBU.html | 19:51 |
| daftykins | he's taking a look at whether there is the microcode for my chosen machines BIOS right now - also an Intel ME update | 19:51 |
| tomreyn | bah this looks super finnicky | 19:54 |
| tomreyn | be glad you have friend who apparently knows his ways around the rough edges | 19:54 |
| tomreyn | thanks for the link though | 19:54 |
| daftykins | :D np | 19:55 |
| daftykins | it's still not without risk, i'd be a bit more nervous doing it to my own personal systems | 19:55 |
| daftykins | i was a guinea pig with my little haswell system for him, because Asus have abandoned his motherboard which was quite rude | 19:56 |
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