[02:15] oerheks, very insightful explanation :) [03:35] good morning to all === lotuspsychje_ is now known as lotuspsychje [06:14] good morning, everyone [06:20] morning ducasse - great sleep I hope & ready for your day (& on second++ cup of c..) [06:22] hi guiverc - still waking up here but think i'm ok, thanks, how about you? [06:25] very good thanks :) [06:39] morning ducasse :) [06:42] hi SlidingHorn - how are you today? [06:44] Not too bad :) Yourself? [06:44] i'm good, i think :) [07:02] morning ducasse guiverc SlidingHorn [07:06] Morning lotuspsychje - ready for your day I hope, hot coffee in hand :) [07:06] yeah just made one :p [07:06] morning lotuspsychje [07:08] had a nice day with your visit ducasse [07:09] yes, was out shopping last night. getting ready for the weekend? :) [07:11] yeah finally :p [07:17] lotuspsychje: any plans for the weekend? [07:22] I screwed up my sleep schedule...I think I'm gonna try to have some coffee and stay up [07:22] ducasse: yeah birthday cakes & more birthday sat & sun [07:28] lotuspsychje: your birthday? [07:29] ducasse: yeah for me and my dad, but its in may for me, early party [07:30] ah, ok. when in may? [07:30] 11 [07:33] i'll try to remember, so we can get you a cake :) [07:33] hehe [10:57] Happy Friday, April 20th, peeps! [10:59] Thanks JimBuntu & Happy Friday to you too. [11:07] Hi Folks [11:09] Great morning to you Bluekaj [11:10] Unsure why I am in a good mood, but I think I'll try to keep it. [11:11] hi JimBuntu, keep your good mood, feels better than being grumpy :) [11:12] Yeah, I think so... I also think that like being grumpy is contagious, being happy can be too... we shall see how that plays out for today. [11:13] JimBuntu, sounds good, don't turn on a tv, nor look at a newspaper, just go outside & look at the trees, wildlife etc... Sip your tea or coffee & enjoy! [11:15] ...and stay away from the trolls! [11:15] any plans for the weekend, JimBuntu? [11:16] Hey ducasse, JimBuntu [11:16] hi BluesKaj - having fun with the new connection? [11:17] well, it's what I expected and so far so good , ducasse :-) [11:19] they tried to block my vpn , but that was easily defeated by changing the DNS settings in the router [11:19] blocking your vpn - wth for? [11:20] dunno, your guess is as good as mine [11:21] trying preserve bandwidth is my guess [11:23] a lot of ISPs do that here in NA [11:25] wow, weird. sounds more like stuff they do in china. [11:27] it's a small attempt to prevent illegal downloads, most computer users with a little bit of knowledge about networking can work around it. [11:29] ISPs here in aus started blocking more sites in last few months I noticed, it was to stop illegal downloads the site the directed you to said (they caught sites unrelated to anything illegal too) [11:30] right. they're dns blocking a few torrent sites here, but it doesn't seem like the block lists are actively maintained. [11:30] Great, so they are basically helping the darknet have more reason and users... good job big brother [11:33] my isp doesn't like xubuntu-community-wallpapers ... 403 [forbidden] for 18.04 just like 17.10 & all back to (i forget when, before 12.04)... my isp must think they are X rated [11:33] most of the biggie torrent sites like piratebay, limewire, and rarbg aren't blocked here, the oddtime they get taken down by heavy traffic tho [11:35] guiverc, I would definitely be sending in bug tickets, possibly on a daily basis for blocking that [11:38] yeah I should (again!) - i haven't sent one in awhile so will... (its their local mirror only) [11:38] I just use my own wallpapers [11:38] or some from thje kde site [11:39] I normally use my own, but blocking something like xubunu-community-themes seems a little silly to me... if it's only the local mirror, maybe there are other items on the mirror causing it. [11:41] that is kind ofstrange alright [11:46] its the same files each time.. was upgrading 17.10 (ubuntu+xfce+mate+..) to 18.04 which aborted due 403 on files; i've added a non-isp-mirror to bypass for now (do it each install) http://ftp.iinet.net.au/pub/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/ & try and access xubuntu-community-artwork [403] but others no issue... i'll send em an email... [11:49] I too use my own chosen wallpaper - but I do love looking thru the defaults so I do want em. (au.archive.ubuntu.com gave me the isp-denied files) [11:50] So, it's that well known of an issue that the archive maintainers are aware and have a workaround, yeah, it's probably due to other things that resolv to the same IP/etc. [11:52] which is probably too complex for the ISP's monkeys to understand & explain to me.... should I still raise a ticket with them? [11:52] (them being isp iinet) [11:53] or lp or other? [11:54] I would raise the flag with them, they can decide what to do from there. [11:55] will do, thanks JimBuntu [11:55] trying to setup the vpn proxy in konversation, but looks like it's still buggy [11:55] brb [11:58] proxy doesn't work, even with plain old nickserv [11:59] gonna try one more change [12:01] Connection to server chat.freenode.net (port 8001) lost: Proxy host not found ....hmm [15:11] bummer... gksudo is no more in 18.04 [15:14] I never used it anyway [15:14] sudo worked fine for me [15:38] I do so much via nano when it comes to changing system files... not much use for me either. About all I used it for was launching baobab so I could scan from "/" [15:41] I always got gksudo and gksu confused anyway and felt weird using them. [15:43] leftyfb: you're not supposed to use that against GUI apps because it can screw up permissions [15:44] however if you are sudo-ing a GUI app in the first place, more often than not, you're doing something wrong :D [15:44] daftykins: I never have a problem [15:44] well we saw users with it going wrong loads, so i don't know what to tell you :) [15:46] daftykins, would you have a link to something to help explain the difference? I've always struggled to explain why a person should use gksudo versus just raw sudo [15:48] not to hand no, but it's something along the lines of it running the GUI app with your home directory but as root - so the user's ~ files can get permissions changed [15:53] been too long since i did support to remember clearly :> [15:53] (i don't use any desktop Linux) [15:54] * SlidingHorn gasps [15:54] hrmm this intel microcode updates for spectre mitigation thing is becoming a real problem imo [15:54] for example, i have an intel sandybridge (second generation) core i5 laptop here from Sony which i repaired when a client spilled a drink over it [15:55] 13", dual-core with HT, 8GB DDR3 and a cheap SSD... but it's not going to get a BIOS update at all [15:55] mind you this is only a problem for Windows i guess since you guys running a Linux natively can just have the boot-time microcode updated [15:59] on another system though, a friend helped me insert the microcode into the BIOS and then i was able to flash the result - meaning it was done for any OS [15:59] no BIOS downloads are available for this system, so i will have to have a go at whether i can dump the existing one [16:15] there we go, dumped the BIOS fine [16:41] how do you "insert the microcode into the BIOS"? wouldnt this modified bios be rejected because its signature would mismatch? [16:41] or is there just no signature check? [16:41] and how do you do it anyways (how do you find out how to insert the microcode into the firmware image) [16:42] ? [16:42] tomreyn: often there is a check yeah, you just use a secret utility switch which ignores that [16:43] there are tools out there which can read an image, identify each distinct module, then overwrite an old with a newer [17:20] daftykins: you mean binwalk? [17:20] nope [17:20] oh for the tool, i have no idea [17:21] highly doubt it's a Linux one though if that's what that is [17:21] daftykins: i'd like to read a how-to on this is there is one. or just one describing how you did it. [17:21] binwalk is linux, yes. [17:21] well as i mentioned a friend modded the image for me, so i've got no idea [17:21] all i did was dump the existing and then send it to him :) [17:21] oh i see. [17:22] if we chat again sometime i'll ask for the forum link again, he definitely linked me - i just didn't bother to learn myself [17:22] i don't know why i said no though - i'm sure any tool that can read image files will be capable [17:22] still interesting. i've seen such being done on bios modding forums, but it's always this "i dont explain how i do it because i'm an expert and don't want to share" approach. [17:23] haha yeah i know what you mean [17:23] in fact when i followed the guide it didn't work because the BIOS vendor had replaced the afudos.exe tool with one that no longer had the special switch for ignoring signatures [17:24] had to find a follow-up post which had a link to an alternative which still had it [17:24] was this uefi or legacy bios? [17:25] an Asus Q87M-E BIOS which is natively EFI, but with CSM capability [17:26] i see, nice, so a modern one. [17:27] i wonder whether we could come up with firmware manufacturer specific generic instructions for staging uefi firmware updates for installation on next boot. [17:27] highly unlikely to be safe [17:28] well if you just stage it and have the firmware check the signature on next boot then i guess it couldbe safe [17:28] either it takes it or leves it be. [17:28] but surely some of those signature checks are not entirely reliable [17:28] the tool had to be told to force flash, some people reported that some functions misbehaved afterward [17:40] tomreyn: the tool's 'force' option also does a full erase prior, so definitely an all-or-nothing approach :) [17:40] chip swaps would be the only way back out of that [17:55] you probably needed to take some extra 'precautions' since the firmware was not validy signed [17:56] nah i just went for it :D only £8 on ebay to have a guy in the Netherlands ship you a new chip with a version of your choice flashed! :D [17:56] or i could have attempted to reflash via hotswapping in another board [19:18] https://imgur.com/gallery/0jt6Sr5 [19:22] I don't think they put enough we're tracking you items in there [19:25] If I were Canonical, I would activate the camera every so often... how many people are wearing pants is an important metric. [19:26] xD [19:27] would that package be called BeaverPantSpotter ? [19:27] daftykins, Well, it would track more than pants.. could probably s/Pant// [19:27] i debated typing it as such ;) [19:28] Gotta keep it friendly. But think off all the new stats... How many Ubuntu users have beards? Now we know thanks to BeaverPantSpotter ! [19:28] \o/ [19:29] "Nose ring detected,... taking actions " [19:29] tin foil hat detected... uninstall hexchat [19:29] "Single ear detected, adjusting L-R Stereo balance" [19:29] phew :) [19:30] LOL, "Tin foil hat detected, activating double-VPNs" [19:30] first time user, freenode webchat disabled [19:30] ROFL. At least the #Ubuntu channel [19:30] indeed :> [19:30] JimBuntu, that's when it detects dimly lit room with ham radio in background [19:30] pragmaticenigma, meanie [19:31] "Kids playing in background, activating safe browsing" [19:31] * pragmaticenigma is guessing JimBuntu has Ham radio in background with dimly lit room [19:32] pragmaticenigma, it's a brightly lit room, today... it's sunny out [19:33] Single VPN mode [19:33] :-P [19:33] "Retro machine in the background detected installing quake" [19:33] SNAP time! https://uappexplorer.com/snap/ubuntu/quake-shareware [19:34] :S [19:51] tomreyn: got the link from my mate - https://www.win-raid.com/t154f16-Tool-Guide-News-quot-UEFI-BIOS-Updater-quot-UBU.html [19:51] he's taking a look at whether there is the microcode for my chosen machines BIOS right now - also an Intel ME update [19:54] bah this looks super finnicky [19:54] be glad you have friend who apparently knows his ways around the rough edges [19:54] thanks for the link though [19:55] :D np [19:55] it's still not without risk, i'd be a bit more nervous doing it to my own personal systems [19:56] i was a guinea pig with my little haswell system for him, because Asus have abandoned his motherboard which was quite rude