[02:15] <pragmaticenigma> oerheks, very insightful explanation :)
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:14] <ducasse> good morning, everyone
[06:20] <guiverc> morning ducasse - great sleep I hope & ready for your day (& on second++ cup of c..)
[06:22] <ducasse> hi guiverc - still waking up here but think i'm ok, thanks, how about you?
[06:25] <guiverc> very good thanks :)
[06:39] <SlidingHorn> morning ducasse  :)
[06:42] <ducasse> hi SlidingHorn - how are you today?
[06:44] <SlidingHorn> Not too bad :)  Yourself?
[06:44] <ducasse> i'm good, i think :)
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> morning ducasse guiverc SlidingHorn
[07:06] <guiverc> Morning lotuspsychje - ready for your day I hope, hot coffee in hand :)
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> yeah just made one :p
[07:06] <ducasse> morning lotuspsychje
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> had a nice day with your visit ducasse
[07:09] <ducasse> yes, was out shopping last night. getting ready for the weekend? :)
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> yeah finally :p
[07:17] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: any plans for the weekend?
[07:22] <SlidingHorn> I screwed up my sleep schedule...I think I'm gonna try to have some coffee and stay up
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: yeah birthday cakes & more birthday sat & sun
[07:28] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: your birthday?
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: yeah for me and my dad, but its in may for me, early party
[07:30] <ducasse> ah, ok. when in may?
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> 11
[07:33] <ducasse> i'll try to remember, so we can get you a cake :)
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[10:57] <JimBuntu> Happy Friday, April 20th, peeps!
[10:59] <guiverc> Thanks JimBuntu & Happy Friday to you too.
[11:07] <BluesKaj> Hi Folks
[11:09] <JimBuntu> Great morning to you Bluekaj
[11:10] <JimBuntu> Unsure why I am in a good mood, but I think I'll try to keep it.
[11:11] <ducasse> hi JimBuntu, keep your good mood, feels better than being grumpy :)
[11:12] <JimBuntu> Yeah, I think so... I also think that like being grumpy is contagious, being happy can be too... we shall see how that plays out for today.
[11:13] <guiverc> JimBuntu, sounds good, don't turn on a tv, nor look at a newspaper, just go outside & look at the trees, wildlife etc...  Sip your tea or coffee & enjoy!
[11:15] <ducasse> ...and stay away from the trolls!
[11:15] <ducasse> any plans for the weekend, JimBuntu?
[11:16] <BluesKaj> Hey ducasse, JimBuntu
[11:16] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj - having fun with the new connection?
[11:17] <BluesKaj> well, it's what I expected and so far so good , ducasse :-)
[11:19] <BluesKaj> they tried to block my vpn , but that was easily defeated by changing the DNS settings in the router
[11:19] <ducasse> blocking your vpn - wth for?
[11:20] <BluesKaj> dunno, your guess is as good as mine
[11:21] <BluesKaj> trying preserve bandwidth is my guess
[11:23] <BluesKaj> a lot of ISPs do that here in NA
[11:25] <ducasse> wow, weird. sounds more like stuff they do in china.
[11:27] <BluesKaj> it's a  small attempt to prevent illegal downloads, most computer users with a little bit of knowledge about networking can work around it.
[11:29] <guiverc> ISPs here in aus started blocking more sites in last few months I noticed, it was to stop illegal downloads the site the directed you to said  (they caught sites unrelated to anything illegal too)
[11:30] <ducasse> right. they're dns blocking a few torrent sites here, but it doesn't seem like the block lists are actively maintained.
[11:30] <JimBuntu> Great, so they are basically helping the darknet have more reason and users... good job big brother
[11:33] <guiverc> my isp doesn't like xubuntu-community-wallpapers  ... 403 [forbidden] for 18.04 just like 17.10 & all back to (i forget when, before 12.04)...   my isp must think they are X rated
[11:33] <BluesKaj> most of the biggie torrent sites like piratebay, limewire, and rarbg aren't blocked here, the oddtime they get taken down by heavy traffic tho
[11:35] <JimBuntu> guiverc, I would definitely be sending in bug tickets, possibly on a daily basis for blocking that
[11:38] <guiverc> yeah I should  (again!) - i haven't sent one in awhile so will...  (its their local mirror only)
[11:38] <BluesKaj> I just use my own wallpapers
[11:38] <BluesKaj> or some from thje kde site
[11:39] <JimBuntu> I normally use my own, but blocking something like xubunu-community-themes seems a little silly to me... if it's only the local mirror, maybe there are other items on the mirror causing it.
[11:41] <BluesKaj> that is kind ofstrange alright
[11:46] <guiverc> its the same files each time..  was upgrading 17.10 (ubuntu+xfce+mate+..) to 18.04 which aborted due 403 on files; i've added a non-isp-mirror to bypass for now (do it each install)   http://ftp.iinet.net.au/pub/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/  & try and access xubuntu-community-artwork [403] but others no issue...  i'll send em an email...
[11:49] <guiverc> I too use my own chosen wallpaper - but I do love looking thru the defaults so I do want em.  (au.archive.ubuntu.com gave me the isp-denied files)
[11:50] <JimBuntu> So, it's that well known of an issue that the archive maintainers are aware and have a workaround, yeah, it's probably due to other things that resolv to the same IP/etc.
[11:52] <guiverc> which is probably too complex for the ISP's monkeys to understand & explain to me.... should I still raise a ticket with them?
[11:52] <guiverc> (them being isp iinet)
[11:53] <guiverc> or lp or other?
[11:54] <JimBuntu> I would raise the flag with them, they can decide what to do from there.
[11:55] <guiverc> will do, thanks JimBuntu
[11:55] <BluesKaj> trying to setup the vpn proxy in konversation, but looks like it's still buggy
[11:55] <BluesKaj> brb
[11:58] <BluesKaj> proxy doesn't work, even with plain old nickserv
[11:59] <BluesKaj> gonna try one more change
[12:01] <BluesKaj> Connection to server chat.freenode.net (port 8001) lost: Proxy host not found ....hmm
[15:11] <pragmaticenigma> bummer... gksudo is no more in 18.04
[15:14] <leftyfb> I never used it anyway
[15:14] <leftyfb> sudo worked fine for me
[15:38] <pragmaticenigma> I do so much via nano when it comes to changing system files... not much use for me either. About all I used it for was launching baobab so I could scan from "/"
[15:41] <nicomachus> I always got gksudo and gksu confused anyway and felt weird using them.
[15:43] <daftykins> leftyfb: you're not supposed to use that against GUI apps because it can screw up permissions
[15:44] <daftykins> however if you are sudo-ing a GUI app in the first place, more often than not, you're doing something wrong :D
[15:44] <leftyfb> daftykins: I never have a problem
[15:44] <daftykins> well we saw users with it going wrong loads, so i don't know what to tell you :)
[15:46] <pragmaticenigma> daftykins, would you have a link to something to help explain the difference? I've always struggled to explain why a person should use gksudo versus just raw sudo
[15:48] <daftykins> not to hand no, but it's something along the lines of it running the GUI app with your home directory but as root - so the user's ~ files can get permissions changed
[15:53] <daftykins> been too long since i did support to remember clearly :>
[15:53] <daftykins> (i don't use any desktop Linux)
[15:54]  * SlidingHorn gasps
[15:54] <daftykins> hrmm this intel microcode updates for spectre mitigation thing is becoming a real problem imo
[15:54] <daftykins> for example, i have an intel sandybridge (second generation) core i5 laptop here from Sony which i repaired when a client spilled a drink over it
[15:55] <daftykins> 13", dual-core with HT, 8GB DDR3 and a cheap SSD... but it's not going to get a BIOS update at all
[15:55] <daftykins> mind you this is only a problem for Windows i guess since you guys running a Linux natively can just have the boot-time microcode updated
[15:59] <daftykins> on another system though, a friend helped me insert the microcode into the BIOS and then i was able to flash the result - meaning it was done for any OS
[15:59] <daftykins> no BIOS downloads are available for this system, so i will have to have a go at whether i can dump the existing one
[16:15] <daftykins> there we go, dumped the BIOS fine
[16:41] <tomreyn> how do you "insert the microcode into the BIOS"? wouldnt this modified bios be rejected because its signature would mismatch?
[16:41] <tomreyn> or is there just no signature check?
[16:41] <tomreyn> and how do you do it anyways (how do you find out how to insert the microcode into the firmware image)
[16:42] <tomreyn> ?
[16:42] <daftykins> tomreyn: often there is a check yeah, you just use a secret utility switch which ignores that
[16:43] <daftykins> there are tools out there which can read an image, identify each distinct module, then overwrite an old with a newer
[17:20] <tomreyn> daftykins: you mean binwalk?
[17:20] <daftykins> nope
[17:20] <daftykins> oh for the tool, i have no idea
[17:21] <daftykins> highly doubt it's a Linux one though if that's what that is
[17:21] <tomreyn> daftykins: i'd like to read a how-to on this is there is one. or just one describing how you did it.
[17:21] <tomreyn> binwalk is linux, yes.
[17:21] <daftykins> well as i mentioned a friend modded the image for me, so i've got no idea
[17:21] <daftykins> all i did was dump the existing and then send it to him :)
[17:21] <tomreyn> oh i see.
[17:22] <daftykins> if we chat again sometime i'll ask for the forum link again, he definitely linked me - i just didn't bother to learn myself
[17:22] <daftykins> i don't know why i said no though - i'm sure any tool that can read image files will be capable
[17:22] <tomreyn> still interesting. i've seen such being done on bios modding forums, but it's always this "i dont explain how i do it because i'm an expert and don't want to share" approach.
[17:23] <daftykins> haha yeah i know what you mean
[17:23] <daftykins> in fact when i followed the guide it didn't work because the BIOS vendor had replaced the afudos.exe tool with one that no longer had the special switch for ignoring signatures
[17:24] <daftykins> had to find a follow-up post which had a link to an alternative which still had it
[17:24] <tomreyn> was this uefi or legacy bios?
[17:25] <daftykins> an Asus Q87M-E BIOS which is natively EFI, but with CSM capability
[17:26] <tomreyn> i see, nice, so a modern one.
[17:27] <tomreyn> i wonder whether we could come up with firmware manufacturer specific generic instructions for staging uefi firmware updates for installation on next boot.
[17:27] <daftykins> highly unlikely to be safe
[17:28] <tomreyn> well if you just stage it and have the firmware check the signature on next boot then i guess it couldbe safe
[17:28] <tomreyn> either it takes it or leves it be.
[17:28] <tomreyn> but surely some of those signature checks are not entirely reliable
[17:28] <daftykins> the tool had to be told to force flash, some people reported that some functions misbehaved afterward
[17:40] <daftykins> tomreyn: the tool's 'force' option also does a full erase prior, so definitely an all-or-nothing approach :)
[17:40] <daftykins> chip swaps would be the only way back out of that
[17:55] <tomreyn> you probably needed to take some extra 'precautions' since the firmware was not validy signed
[17:56] <daftykins> nah i just went for it :D only £8 on ebay to have a guy in the Netherlands ship you a new chip with a version of your choice flashed! :D
[17:56] <daftykins> or i could have attempted to reflash via hotswapping in another board
[19:18] <kostkon> https://imgur.com/gallery/0jt6Sr5
[19:22] <pragmaticenigma> I don't think they put enough we're tracking you items in there
[19:25] <JimBuntu> If I were Canonical, I would activate the camera every so often... how many people are wearing pants is an important metric.
[19:26] <daftykins> xD
[19:27] <daftykins> would that package be called BeaverPantSpotter ?
[19:27] <JimBuntu> daftykins, Well, it would track more than pants.. could probably s/Pant//
[19:27] <daftykins> i debated typing it as such ;)
[19:28] <JimBuntu> Gotta keep it friendly. But think off all the new stats... How many Ubuntu users have beards? Now we know thanks to BeaverPantSpotter !
[19:28] <daftykins> \o/
[19:29] <JimBuntu> "Nose ring detected,... taking actions "
[19:29] <pragmaticenigma> tin foil hat detected... uninstall hexchat
[19:29] <JimBuntu> "Single ear detected, adjusting L-R Stereo balance"
[19:29] <daftykins> phew :)
[19:30] <JimBuntu> LOL, "Tin foil hat detected, activating double-VPNs"
[19:30] <daftykins> first time user, freenode webchat disabled
[19:30] <JimBuntu> ROFL. At least the #Ubuntu channel
[19:30] <daftykins> indeed :>
[19:30] <pragmaticenigma> JimBuntu, that's when it detects dimly lit room with ham radio in background
[19:30] <JimBuntu> pragmaticenigma, meanie
[19:31] <JimBuntu> "Kids playing in background, activating safe browsing"
[19:31]  * pragmaticenigma is guessing JimBuntu has Ham radio in background with dimly lit room
[19:32] <JimBuntu> pragmaticenigma, it's a brightly lit room, today... it's sunny out
[19:33] <pragmaticenigma> Single VPN mode
[19:33] <pragmaticenigma> :-P
[19:33] <kostkon> "Retro machine in the background detected installing quake"
[19:33] <kostkon> SNAP time! https://uappexplorer.com/snap/ubuntu/quake-shareware
[19:34] <daftykins> :S
[19:51] <daftykins> tomreyn: got the link from my mate - https://www.win-raid.com/t154f16-Tool-Guide-News-quot-UEFI-BIOS-Updater-quot-UBU.html
[19:51] <daftykins> he's taking a look at whether there is the microcode for my chosen machines BIOS right now - also an Intel ME update
[19:54] <tomreyn> bah this looks super finnicky
[19:54] <tomreyn> be glad you have friend who apparently knows his ways around the rough edges
[19:54] <tomreyn> thanks for the link though
[19:55] <daftykins> :D np
[19:55] <daftykins> it's still not without risk, i'd be a bit more nervous doing it to my own personal systems
[19:56] <daftykins> i was a guinea pig with my little haswell system for him, because Asus have abandoned his motherboard which was quite rude