[04:50] <lirodon> Okay, so my friend is installing 16.04, but the installer's stuck on "Detecting file systems"
[04:53] <well_laid_lawn> lirodon:  how long has it been stuck?
[04:53] <lirodon> 10+ minutes. She's instaalling it to a hard drive from USB media.
[04:53] <well_laid_lawn> a terabyte can take a bit of time to sus out
[04:54] <flocculant> takes a while here with 2 2Tb drives, 1 3Tb drive and the ssd it's installing on
[04:54] <flocculant> certainly takes a whole lot longer to do that than the actual install
[04:54] <well_laid_lawn> so... how large are the hard drives ?
[04:55] <lirodon> though at the bottom of the log it was mentioning starting cleanup of temporary directories
[04:56] <lirodon> and it hasn't been doing anything
[04:58] <well_laid_lawn> sounds like it is nearly installed then
[05:06] <lirodon> okay, she ended up rebooting ... and it appears to have not even done anything to her drive
[05:06] <lirodon> because Windows XP still loaded.
[05:09] <well_laid_lawn> there should be an entry in the boot menu for checking the install media - tried that ?
[05:14] <lirodon> think we figured it out. at some point, Thunar had automatically mounted and opened up her Windows file system
[05:15] <lirodon> and I forgot to mention that we had an error about it not being able to unmount it. Restarted the install but with just Install Xubuntu (without loading XFCE in the BG), and now it's working
[05:15] <flocculant> it should have given a warning, something like 'do you want us to try and unmount /dev/blah'
[05:15] <flocculant> aah right
[05:16] <lirodon> yeah. we got that, we tried, and it didn't. And then it got stuck and didn't even get to partitioning
[05:16] <lirodon> but now we're actually cooking
[05:16] <flocculant> would have got you different responses from well_laid_lawn and me if we'd known that :D
[05:33] <lirodon> anyway, she's got it going now!
[05:34] <well_laid_lawn> well done
[05:34] <well_laid_lawn> xubuntu does look good in blue ;)
[05:37] <lirodon> optiplex 745, originally came with XP from a slight refurbish
[05:37] <lirodon> had to tell her, who had only just started using this computer, that XP was unsupported and you shouldn't use it
[05:39] <well_laid_lawn> that was a good thing to do
[05:57] <lirodon> she's slowly figuring things out
[05:59] <well_laid_lawn> it doesn't take too much to adapt to using ubbuntu - some things are named differently but it is still a mouse and icons based interface
[06:00] <lirodon> especially for someone who had never heard of Linux before at all
[06:01] <lirodon> until yesterday or so
[06:02] <well_laid_lawn> using xubuntu is probably easier than the switch to a mac
[06:20] <lirodon> okay she got an error about failing to retrieve repository information when trying to use the updater
[06:20] <well_laid_lawn> is the network working ? ou can google ?
[06:21] <well_laid_lawn> s/ou/you/
[06:22] <lirodon> her chromium install from earlier worked
[06:23] <well_laid_lawn> !repos
[06:24] <well_laid_lawn> see if the last link above helps
[06:24] <well_laid_lawn> !bot
[06:24] <lirodon> She just got the "Check your internet connection" version of that error
[06:25] <well_laid_lawn> the default repos should be working - which is why I thought it might be a networking issue
[06:26] <lirodon> she was having weird internet issues with XP earlier. at one point, some sites were loading and some weren't. at another time, in Chrome, things suddenly worked again (and she was able to download all the stuff she needed for the install)
[06:28] <well_laid_lawn> generally speaking intermitent issues are mostly hardware related - check cables and open a terminal with   dmesg -w    running to see any errors
[06:28] <well_laid_lawn> software just keeps working the same
[06:41] <lirodon> wait I got her to do apt-get update on command line and she's getting that libappstream3 error
[06:53] <well_laid_lawn> try   sudo apt install --reinstall libappstream3
[06:54] <lirodon> it worked
[06:54] <well_laid_lawn> well done
[15:37] <IhrFussel> Is PAE also required if I use the 64-bit version of Xubuntu? It doesn't mention "only for 32-bit" anywhere on this page https://xubuntu.org/requirements/
[15:41] <IhrFussel> To me it looks like someone forgot to mention "32-bit" in that sentence
[16:06] <genii> PAE is 32bit specific
[16:06] <genii> It's implicit
[16:08] <IhrFussel> genii, then it should mention that PAE is only needed for 32-bit ... it doesn't do that
[16:08] <IhrFussel> Not sure if there are 64-bit CPUs without PAE but if so it would be misleading
[16:09] <GridCube> IhrFussel: pae is an extension to make 32bit processor able to use memory better, but it's embebed in 64bit hardware as far as i understand, it's soemting 64bit does by default
[16:10] <IhrFussel> GridCube, that doesn't change the fact that this sentence is misleading "Your processor needs to support PAE in order to run Xubuntu."
[16:11] <IhrFussel> Will it really not run on 32-bit with less than 3.5 GB RAM? Usually it should
[16:11] <IhrFussel> I mean without PAE*
[16:11] <GridCube> yes
[16:11] <GridCube> it will not run on a processor without PAE
[16:12] <genii> The 32bit kernel is compiled by default with Physical Address Extensions enabled, at some point in the past it was not
[16:12] <genii> Somewhere around 14.04, perhaps
[16:12] <IhrFussel> On a 32-bit CPU without PAE* ... but it should at least mention the "32-bit" bit in that sentence, don't you agree?
[16:13] <GridCube> no
[16:13] <genii> Since 64bit CPUs don't have PAE, the author likely didn't bother specifying
[16:14]  * genii wanders off to eat kebabs now
[16:14] <GridCube> but i agree that it could be edited to say "Your processor needs to be 33bit with PAE enabled or 64bits in order to run Xubuntu." or something like that
[16:15] <GridCube> if only to make things clearer
[16:18] <IhrFussel> genii, my 64-bit CPU has PAE
[16:20] <IhrFussel> At least I find it under /proc/cpuinfo
[16:21] <GridCube> yes, because it's part of it's architecture
[16:22] <IhrFussel> So can one assume *every* 64-bit CPU will have PAE listed in its features? Then the sentence is maybe not so wrong
[16:28] <genii> 64 bit CPUs are theoretically capable of addressing up to 256 terabytes of RAM by using either 48 or 42bit addressing extensions, which is built-in to it's die. 32 bit PAE extends to 36 bits which allows to 64G
[16:52] <DanniBetts> In Thunar is it possible to disable the "Delete file" entry so that files are always deleted via trash? Otherwise a user can accidentally delete a file permanently and not be able to recover it from trash
[19:34] <ubuntu_ftw>  Hello, all. I just set up a manually partitioned encrypted xubuntu install. I had to create the encrypted partitions manually, or the installer failed. So at this point everything installed fine, but I cannot boot because the root partition cannot be mounted (booting drops me to a busybox shell)
[19:34] <ubuntu_ftw> how do I tell grub to mount my encrypted partitions?
[19:35] <ubuntu_ftw> If it helps, this is my partitioning scheme: https://imgur.com/a/bbk5FAs
[19:40] <krytarik> (Crossposting from #ubuntu)
[19:54] <torv> Am I right in understanding the current daily builds are to be considered as release candidates now?
[19:55] <krytarik> Not yet.
[19:59] <genii> krytarik: release schedule shows yesterday as RC
[19:59] <krytarik> Yes, it does..
[19:59] <flocculant> genii: due over th weekend
[19:59] <genii> flocculant: Ah, thanks
[20:00] <flocculant> "We will shut down cronjobs and spin some RC images late Friday or early
[20:00] <flocculant> Saturday once the archive and proposed-migration have settled a bit,"
[20:00] <flocculant> devel-announce list
[20:01]  * genii makes a note to read those more often
[20:01] <flocculant> :p
[20:01] <genii> ..actually i think I'm only on the kubuntu-devel ml
[20:01]  * torv too ^
[20:01] <flocculant> genii: could also ask me :D
[20:01] <torv> Thanks.
[20:01] <flocculant> torv: welcome
[20:02] <flocculant> torv: as a matter of course when it get's to RC I would be asking for people to test on both our mailing lists
[20:06] <torv> Perfect fit: I'll test then. Please notify on here/~-devel too.
[20:11] <flocculant> torv: I don't mention in this channel - it's for support, but you'd need to be blind to not see me boring people to distraction in -devel :p
[20:13] <torv> flocculant: x) Alright
[20:15] <flocculant> torv: not expecting much to change between now and whne they spin the images up to be honest ;)
[20:18] <torv> flocculant: yeah, I thought so too. I am about to setup some new machines and thought to myself "release is close..wait? rc!..worst case I'll be doing some testing along but can't be to bad at this stage"
[20:19] <flocculant> well - it's up to you - but from my point of view - I would miss the information at the iso tracker
[20:19] <flocculant> and if there's not enough of that - I might not mark it ready for release
[20:19] <flocculant> and if no-one else from the release team is around then we'll release late
[20:22] <torv> just finding my way into that ;)
[20:23] <flocculant> when there is an RC it will be shown there on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[20:28] <torv> Thanks.
[20:43] <xubuntu068> hello
[20:45] <xubuntu068> have an old nvidia 3d card ,,, 9590 I think it's called ... but I have difficulties getting the drivers in :(
[20:50] <well_laid_lawn> !nvidia
[21:31] <genii> Heh, matrox
[23:34] <SlidingHorn> (crossposting from xfce) I'm having an issue where I cannot get xfce to fully load...the panel either doesn't load at all (most often) or it shows up, and is unresponsive.  if I Ctl+alt+t on my primary screen (where the panel would be) I cannot see the terminal, but it's "there" and commands work. if I ctl+alt+t on the secondary, screen, the terminal is visible.  What can I look for to diagnose the
[23:34] <SlidingHorn> problem here?