[02:55] <guitarman_> unbelievable but working.
[06:52] <ragnar_123> Hi
[06:52] <ragnar_123> having trouble with a usb drive that mounts as readonly
[06:53] <diogenes_> ragnar_123, have you tried formatting it?
[06:53] <ragnar_123> No, i have data on it, that I dont want to loose
[06:54] <ragnar_123> and not enough space here, to do a backup ..
[06:54] <diogenes_> try to rename the file manage config folder
[06:54] <ragnar_123> owner is root, and i cannot change it using chmod/chgrp
[06:54] <diogenes_> and re-plug
[06:55] <ragnar_123> running caja as root makes it possible to copy at ~100kB/s
[06:55] <ragnar_123> in ~/.config ?
[06:55] <diogenes_> yes
[06:56] <diogenes_> and also re-open caja
[06:56] <ragnar_123> mbp@mbp-MacBookPro:~/.config$ mv caja caja-bak && killall -9 caja
[06:56] <ragnar_123> no difference
[06:57] <diogenes_> then you need to find where to copy the date as quick as possible until you can no longer extract it
[06:58] <ragnar_123> yeah
[07:00] <ragnar_123> but do you think a reformat will solve the ownership issues with the usb drive?
[07:01] <diogenes_> in some cases yes in others not, maybe it's a hardware issue, who knows
[07:01] <ragnar_123> the usb drive seems to work fine on windows machines -- brand new PNY 64 gigs.
[07:02] <ragnar_123> it took me 13 hours to copy 15.5 gigabytes of data, running the file manager as superuser, the other day ...
[07:03] <diogenes_> lol
[07:03] <diogenes_> on some ntfs pendrives it's like that
[07:04] <diogenes_> you probably got the cheatest one
[07:04] <ragnar_123> Say, if I am in a library using a PC, it is a really fast device. My Ubuntu just doesn't seem to like it.
[07:06] <alkisg> ragnar_123: what file system are you using? fat? ntfs? ext4?
[07:07] <ragnar_123> fat
[07:08] <alkisg> fat doesn't use permissions, so why would you ever have permission issues?
[07:08] <ragnar_123> I can only reed the files?
[07:08] <ragnar_123> read-only issue
[07:09] <ragnar_123> tried remounting, etc-
[07:10] <ragnar_123> Wondering if I can "patch it through" to a VM, running virtualbox. But also there are error messages, see https://pastebin.com/xtg7ihU3. Any ideas?
[07:14] <ragnar_123> When trying to change permissions from root to user, i get errors like "Operation not permitted"
[07:16] <ragnar_123> "Create folder" is grayed out in the file manager
[07:23] <alkisg> ragnar_123: the fat file system is mapped to a user at mount time
[07:23] <alkisg> It doesn't support users or permissions, that's why you get operation not permitted
[07:23] <alkisg> If you can only read and not write, check dmesg for file system errors or for hardware errors
[07:24] <alkisg> If you mounted as root, and are trying to write as user, of course you won't be able
[07:24] <alkisg> Because you used the wrong mount permissions
[07:24] <alkisg> You can pastebin the output of `mount` for us to see if you want
[07:28] <ragnar_123> alkisg: https://pastebin.com/raw/0hBicif3
[07:29] <alkisg> ragnar_123: and the output of this, ran as the user, not root? ls -l /media/mbp/HP_TOOLS; touch /media/mbp/HP_TOOLS/test
[07:39] <ragnar_123> Whoops, wrong paste; had another device attached for testing. https://pastebin.com/raw/reLHEpKs - and the output is https://pastebin.com/raw/70j50XNg
[07:40] <alkisg> ragnar_123: how did you manage to mount a vfat file system as root, while using udisks?!
[07:40] <alkisg> Did it automount, or did you run a mount command?
[07:40] <alkisg> ...or are you logged in as root in the desktop environment?! :D
[07:41] <ragnar_123> This time automount. I tried various rw(x) mount commands without success,
[07:41] <ragnar_123> When desperate to copy some files, yes, sudo caja & solves the issue.
[07:42] <alkisg> ragnar_123: try again as cleanly as you can: unmount everything, then just insert the stick. If at that point, ls -l /media/mbp/13FA-1E57, tells you the files are owned by root,that's the main issue
[07:42] <alkisg> Ah,sudo caja :D
[07:42] <alkisg> Yeah, big problem there, don't do that
[07:42] <alkisg> So, start over.LOGOUT first, to stop any processes from running as root
[07:42] <ragnar_123> Why, if I might ask?
[07:42] <alkisg> Then login again (or even better reboot), and just automount the stick
[07:43] <alkisg> Because of the problems you see
[07:43] <alkisg> sudo caja may even create root-owned files in your own dir
[07:43] <alkisg> Under /home/username
[07:43] <ragnar_123> oh yeah, therefore.. ;)
[07:43] <alkisg> So then, normal caja won't be able to save settings, and it will cause chaos
[07:43] <alkisg> Moment
[07:43] <alkisg> Let's make sure that didn't already happen
[07:43] <alkisg> What's the output of this command, when run as the user? find ~ -uid 0
[07:45] <ragnar_123> something that amounts to 2808 lines of filepaths and errors.
[07:45] <alkisg> Ouch, yeah, you already caused chaos :)
[07:45] <ragnar_123> ...
[07:45] <alkisg> OK, I suggest this:
[07:45] <alkisg> 1) Reboot, without any sticks or devices inserted
[07:46] <alkisg> 2) Login, run this: sudo chown -R username:username /home/username
[07:46] <alkisg> 3) Reboot again! So that now it loads with the proper permissions
[07:46] <alkisg> 4) Don't run sudo caja etc again :)
[07:47] <ragnar_123> you will probably hear back from me in an hour, if it does not work :)
[07:47] <alkisg> Hehe :)
[07:48] <ragnar_123> Thanks, I'll try :-)
[07:57] <alkisg> ragnar_123: so now, `find ~ -uid 0` returns nothing?
[07:57] <alkisg> And what's the output of ls -l media/mbp/13FA-1E57 ?
[07:57] <alkisg> Still owned by root?
[08:03] <ragnar_123> Yes
[08:04] <alkisg> ragnar_123: this is a big problem; you misconfigured something
[08:05] <alkisg> The sticks are never mounted as root automatically
[08:05] <alkisg> Try logging in as a guest user (or create a new user with `sudo adduser`), and see if the problem happens on the other user
[08:05] <alkisg> This way we'll see if the misconfiguration is system-wide, or just a user setting
[08:17] <ragnar_123> Changing user does not seem to work
[08:17] <alkisg> ragnar_123: do you mean that you couldn't log in as another user, or that the stick was still mounted as root?
[08:18] <alkisg> "does not work" is not very descriptive...
[08:20] <ragnar_123> Well, create folder is grayed out in the filemanager, as normal user, test user, but not as superuser (though i haven't done `sudo caja`, since you told me not to)
[08:20] <ragnar_123> and permissions say owner is root
[08:21] <alkisg> So you did manage to create a test user, and you logged in, and THEN inserted the stick (and not at boot or as the previous user), and ran ls -l /media/test/13FA-1E57, and it showed that the owner was root?
[08:21] <ragnar_123> ..I should probably just wipe everything and do a clean install
[08:22] <alkisg> It's strange if you managed to mess up with the udev rules to make them mount as root instead of as the user
[08:22] <ragnar_123> I will try one more time, but yes
[08:22] <alkisg> Did you ever try to follow bad tutorials about messing with udev rules?
[08:22] <ragnar_123> nope
[08:22] <alkisg> Do you have an ubuntu live cd or live usb stick?
[08:23] <ragnar_123> Dont think so
[08:23] <alkisg> Do you mind if you share your screen with me over vnc, so that I test 2-3 commands myself?
[08:24] <ragnar_123> Can't do that, sorry
[08:24] <alkisg> np
[08:24] <alkisg> I haven't ever heard of sticks automounted as root by default
[08:24] <alkisg> So I'm guessing you somehow messed up your installation
[08:25] <alkisg> If you do end up reinstalling, do avoid (1) logging in as root, and (2) running sudo caja
[08:27] <alkisg> Btw which ubuntu-mate version is that?
[08:29] <ragnar_123> 17.10
[08:29] <ragnar_123> Yeah, I probably built too many wierd versions of tools during the past three years. If desperate and it does the job (slowly), I might just do that (`sudo caja`)
[08:29] <ragnar_123> but I have upgraded (dist-upgrade) several times
[08:30] <alkisg> You haven't put anything for the sticks in /etc/fstab, right?
[08:30] <ragnar_123> nope
[08:30] <alkisg> Then it does sound like broken udev rules to me
[08:31] <ragnar_123> where can I find them?
[08:31] <alkisg> Oh it would be much easier to reinstall
[08:31] <alkisg> If you don't know how you broke them
[08:32] <ragnar_123> True. But then I would actually need to do a full backup
[08:32] <alkisg> Nah, reinstallations can keep /home
[08:32] <ragnar_123> Uh
[08:32] <alkisg> You can even just mv your installation to a different folder and keep all of it, including /usr and everything
[08:34] <ragnar_123> I will get started to prepare a live-usb image.. Hopefully dd will write to it ;)
[08:35] <alkisg> You might as well use 18.04 at this point
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[10:24] <androidfreak> hi
[13:48] <khogle> good morning fro Pennsylvania
[20:54] <xep_> Hi everybody. It's possible hide dropdown arrown on caja navigate folders when i set list view?
[20:59] <xep_> Hi everybody. It's possible hide dropdown arrown on caja navigate folders when i set list view?
[21:27] <xep_> Hi everybody. It's possible hide dropdown arrown on caja navigate folders when i set list view?
[21:46] <xep_> Hi everybody. It's possible hide dropdown arrown on caja navigate folders when i set list view?
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