[03:00] <Bashing-om> !backbox
[03:00] <ubot5`> Backbox Linux is not a supported derivative of Ubuntu and is thus not supported in #ubuntu. Please use #backbox on irc.autistici.org or https://forum.backbox.org/ for help with it.
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> !kylin
[04:32] <ubot5`> Ubuntu Kylin is a variant of Ubuntu that focuses on Chinese users. It is an official part of Ubuntu. For more information, see http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/ubuntukylin
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> bah
[04:34] <pragmaticenigma> what are you looking for there lotuspsychje
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> all the factoids i try to change and suggest never get fixxed
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: <lotuspsychje> !kylin is please update url 404, add channel tnx
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[04:37] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Your startup bug. My issue does not seem to be related. My blame log: http://termbin.com/l4zg . super fast, no ?
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> lets check
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: yes thats very quick
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> not sure why it hangs on my side..
[04:39] <kostkon> http://bbcsfx.acropolis.org.uk/  search for "computer" and enjoy the background hum..
[04:39] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: I do have something that takes a long time to start the desktop . Not taken the time yet to investigate ... 12 seconds !
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: systemd-analyze critical-chain
[04:42] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Will see in the AM before I get all fired up :)
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> okay mate
[04:47] <pragmaticenigma> ugh... I dislike... just install so-in-so's ppa help in main
[04:47] <pragmaticenigma> and then they go silent when it doesn't work
[04:48] <Ben64> yep
[04:48] <Ben64> dude didn't even listen to the original request either, it doesn't solve the issue
[04:49] <kostkon> especially that PPA which contains loads of package and can mess up your system. im pretty sure if you run apt-get update apt-get upgrade after adding that PPA it'll update half your packages
[04:49] <Ben64> yeah those are annoying
[04:50] <kostkon> that's why i only add official ppas which contain only the project packages usually 1 or 2
[04:51] <Ben64> i have a few ppas... one for youtube-dl, google chrome, and wine
[04:51] <kostkon> and now i find myself using snaps whenever i can
[04:51] <kostkon> yep
[04:51] <Ben64> made my own ppa but couldn't get it to build properly so it has nothing in it, but i added that one too :D
[04:52] <pragmaticenigma> I use PPAs after really looking hard at what they provide
[04:52] <Ben64> https://launchpad.net/~ben64/+archive/ubuntu/virtualization
[04:52] <Ben64> it's really confusing :(
[04:52] <kostkon> you'll get it eventually it's not that hard
[04:53] <Ben64> i can't figure out dependencies
[04:53] <pragmaticenigma> right now I have the one that provides Nvidia drivers from the Graphics Driver Team at Canonical (repackaged Nvidia drivers with proper Ubuntu configurations)
[04:53] <kostkon> well it's got one package already
[04:54] <Ben64> failed to build
[04:54] <kostkon> pragmaticenigma, that's from canonical should be safe indeed
[04:57] <pragmaticenigma> kostkon, yeah... I got frustated with the propritary bundle in the main repo... was getting wicked tearing on video playback
[04:58] <pragmaticenigma> kostkon, part of it I blame on Unity and compiz... really hate that the "eye candy" affects performance so greatly
[04:59] <kostkon> you can set it to low-fx now if you want the've added the option
[05:00] <pragmaticenigma> kostkon, I've tried various tweaks, which end up with a finiky experience
[05:01] <pragmaticenigma> with 18.04 around the corner I'm being optomisitc that Gnome desktop will result in a better experience
[05:02] <kostkon> lol i wouldn't count on that
[05:02] <kostkon> gnome shell is even more finicky i believe
[05:03] <pragmaticenigma> I feel it has a bigger team on it... not just canonical
[05:05] <pragmaticenigma> It's my opinion that Canonical should have stuck with Gnome Desktop through and through. I know it didn't work well for mobile/touch platforms. It just has more experience behind it I feel
[05:08] <kostkon> yeah that's true but if you consider the fact that they still haven't managed to fix that major memory leak bug it offers some perspective on the limits and what the gnome team can generally accomplish in the given timeframe whatever this is i don't know how often they churn out major versions
[05:09] <kostkon> unity is a good DE. and if you actually think about it they've never abandoned gnome
[05:10] <kostkon> they never finished unity8 and unity7 is gnome based
[05:10] <Bashing-om> kostkon: Interesting article - fixed the memory leak - maybe : https://feaneron.com/2018/04/20/the-infamous-gnome-shell-memory-leak/ .
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> in 18.04 ppa adding will be even more easy i read
[05:12] <kostkon> Bashing-om, good to hear and let me say.. finally
[05:13] <Bashing-om> kostkon: +10 -
[05:13] <pragmaticenigma> kostkon, they figured out the memory leak
[05:14] <pragmaticenigma> kostkon, they just don't have an elegant fix yet. They're brute forcing at the moment till
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: yeah i think the gnome guys are happy ubuntu taking over alot og bugs now
[05:15] <Bashing-om> Note that Gnome gave our Will Cook a pat on the back .
[05:16] <pragmaticenigma> My thought is that KDE and Gnome are the two mainstays of the community. If there is ever any hope of making Linux + Gnu a chance at becoming the average users option, we need to stick to what we know and what has the largest adoption
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell
[05:17] <kostkon> pragmaticenigma, theyre doing a lot of gc it seems im ok with it as long as it works decently
[05:17] <pragmaticenigma> kostkon, the memory leak came from them deleating the root of the tree, instead of finding the root and deleting from its branches back down to root
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> we got all kinds of flavor lovers and new distro's comming out every day
[05:18] <pragmaticenigma> lotuspsychje, yes, but nearly every new distro that has had staying power has always choosen Gnome or KDE
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> true or xubuntu based
[05:20] <Bashing-om> Well; this flavor lover is going to call an end to this session .. \o
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> haha
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> bed lover
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> nite nite Bashing-om we take over from here now
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: type sudo halt
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> -p
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> now
[05:22] <pragmaticenigma> hibernate is more apropos?
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> :p
[05:25] <kostkon> or use rtcwake
[05:26] <pragmaticenigma> think it's also time for me to go to hibernate
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> sleep well pragmaticenigma
[05:27] <Bashing-om> hibernate LOL ...laters .
[05:27] <pragmaticenigma> though I took a 5 hour nap earlier this afternoon which is really messing with my sleep desire now
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: thats a good idea to feel real twilighted
[05:31] <pragmaticenigma> mm hmm
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> =p
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> i rather wakeup too early then in-between-naps
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> otherwise i feel too zombie
[05:37] <kostkon> it's lotuspsychje's turn to bail :P
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> he troll on us :p
[05:38] <kostkon> :(
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> !releasenotes
[05:38] <ubot5`> Ubuntu 16.04 (Xenial Xerus) release notes can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes
[05:38] <kostkon> needs... updating
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> they gonna have so much work at final release..
[05:39] <kostkon> in a couple of days
[05:39] <kostkon> it's gonna be a good release
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> finally big changes :p
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> did you see the new welcome screen kostkon ?
[05:40] <kostkon> yeah good stuff
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> great for the newcommers :p
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> the livepatch...might skare a bit
[05:42] <kostkon> i hope so. livepatch a bit technical yeah they should have left it out
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> sky887: you see if you want, you can!
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> kostkon: yeah or some enable/disable in options right?
[05:43] <sky887> yep
[05:43] <sky887> but the offtopic channel THATs what really boggles me
[05:43] <kostkon> lotuspsychje, yep in system settings somewhere maybe in software settings or whatever it's called nowadays
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> sky887: register, identify
[05:44] <kostkon> !register
[05:44] <ubot5`> For information on registering your IRC nick, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration - For any further help, ask in #freenode.
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> kostkon: found systemoptions/privacy/send info to canonical
[05:44] <sky887> NickServ	You are now identified for sky887.
[05:45] <kostkon> lotuspsychje, it's in there as well?
[05:45] <sky887> im using Polari, IS THAT A PROBLEM?
[05:45] <kostkon> or just the send your system info to canonical thingy?
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> kostkon: yes, aha found it livepatch is in software&sources now
[05:46] <kostkon> ah
[05:46] <kostkon> good
[05:46] <sky887> maybe a BANNED!
[05:46] <sky887> maybe im*
[05:46] <sky887> *weeps*
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> sky887: when joining a channel you should have error in the freenode status window
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> sky887: cannot join channel because...blabla
[05:48] <sky887> i cant access the freenode status window
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> why's that?
[05:48] <sky887> dunno 'ow rly
[05:48] <sky887> POLAAARiiiii
[05:48] <sky887> hehe :)
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> sky887: your not trolling on us now are you?
[05:48] <sky887> nope
[05:49] <kostkon> which channel are we talking about
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> he wants offtopic
[05:49] <kostkon> oh
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> thats registered?
[05:50] <sky887> what happend?
[05:50] <sky887> i want it
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> sky887: about what?
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> sky887: how about you install hexchat and try again
[05:51] <ducasse> good morning
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[05:51] <sky887> i really dont know how to see status msgs in Polari, maybe i should use another client - which ones are you using folkz?
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> sky887: i just suggested one
[05:51] <sky887> okay
[05:51] <sky887> ill do that then
[05:52] <sky887> but then i dont get the popups (or DO i?)
[05:52] <kostkon> polari? never heard of it
[05:52] <sky887> 'NOME
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> sky887: hexchat shows a nice freenode status window yes
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> sky887: then we will see why you cant join offtopic
[05:53] <sky887> Key, Ex-Chat it is
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> !xchat
[05:53] <ubot5`> xchat and xchat-gnome have not had stable releases in years. xchat was removed from Ubuntu for 16.04. Consider using hexchat instead, which is actively developed and available in 14.04 onwards.
[05:53] <sky887> Ok
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> ok
[05:53] <kostkon> sky887, lol no. hexchat. xchat is obsolete
[05:53] <sky887> !polari
[05:54] <sky887> yes ofc ofc i MEANT Hexchat
[05:54] <kostkon> of course you did
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> sky887: ok now less talk and action! :p
[05:55] <sky887> see ya soon!
[05:55] <sky887> im ON it
[05:55] <kostkon> where are you going :S
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> lol
[05:55] <kostkon> let's hope he rejoins
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> i specially invited him in discuss :p
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> its my new system, to avoid ramble in main...here we can take them right kostkon
[05:56] <kostkon> lol
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> haha
[05:59] <ducasse> morning lotuspsychje, how are you today?
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> great here ducasse
[05:59] <sky887> MADE it!
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> sky887: we can see it!
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: cakes & coffee today :p
[06:00] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: have a fun b-day party :)
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> ty ducasse
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> ttyl guys
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> and have a nice day
[06:33] <guiverc> sky887, re: question in #ubuntu & 18.04 (not really a support issue, why I'm answering here) .. i suspect a few of us already use 18.04; at least on one machine..
[10:27] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:34] <ducasse> morning, BluesKaj - all well today?
[10:36] <BluesKaj> hey ducasse. well i have a cold, but otherwise ok
[10:36] <BluesKaj> how are you doing?
[10:37] <ducasse> ooof, hope you get better soon. i'm good thanks, thinking of taking a nap :)
[10:38] <sky887_> Hi all!
[10:38] <BluesKaj> thanks ducasse, it'll just have to run it's course...have a good nap...naps are good :-)
[10:38] <sky887_> :-):-)
[10:39] <BluesKaj> hi sky887_
[10:40] <ducasse> there's not much else to do, so thought i'd grab the opportunity
[10:43] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[10:43] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje - how are you doing? party finished?
[10:43] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: no, we cleaned up now chill till party :p
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> cakes are here from bakery :p
[10:45] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: hows your day so far?
[10:45] <ducasse> cakes! \o/
[10:45] <ducasse> all quiet here, mate
[10:45] <lotuspsychje> raspberry PI cake and ananas cake
[10:46] <BluesKaj> Hey lotuspsychje
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> http://handmadehelen.nl/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Chocolade-frambozen-mousse-taart-2.png
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> something like this
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> did you have welcome screen on kde on bionic?
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> just got it after updates on desktop here
[10:48] <BluesKaj> justthe plymouth "kubuntu" logo
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: how about livepatch screen?
[10:50] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, not that I'm aware
[10:50] <BluesKaj> i can reboot to have a look
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: well actually makes sense, as the welcome screen is gnome related
[10:50] <BluesKaj> i'll check
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> so i presume only on ubuntu-desktop
[10:52] <BluesKaj> nope mjuat the regular K fanciful logo after the login
[10:52] <lotuspsychje> kk
[10:52] <BluesKaj> just
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: so found out livepatch settings are now in software&sources
[10:54] <BluesKaj> which one /
[10:54] <BluesKaj> ?
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: tab updates
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: 'use canonical livepatch to...
[10:55] <BluesKaj> ppa?
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: no, built in from canonical now
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: wait lemme screenshot
[10:57] <BluesKaj> I use muo -legacy for app references, the new discovery one is awful
[10:57] <BluesKaj> muon
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: https://imgur.com/a/x5jCf8g
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: that livepatch popup screen also asks to enable/disable send system info the canonical
[11:01] <BluesKaj> no, don'[t have anything like that here
[11:06] <BluesKaj> I found the livepatch in the software center , but i prefer to do my  own updates/upgrades min the konsole, kde/plasma does do auto updates with the unattended upgrades app
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> hmm activities button got more cool now
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> mouse hover show all apps open
[11:30]  * BluesKaj uses the icons only taskbar for that
[11:31] <BluesKaj> well icons only task manager
[11:32] <sky887_> Is 18.04 released?
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> !isitoutyet
[11:32] <ubot5`> Not yet!
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> sky887_: but you can test/help bug the daily iso in #ubuntu+1
[11:33] <JimBuntu> !party
[11:33] <ubot5`> Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, #edubuntu, and #lubuntu are support channels. To countdown to !bionic release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/3339/
[11:34] <sky887_> Ok
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> sky887_: final release at 26 april
[11:37] <sky887_> Ok
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> sky887_: ltsupgrade from xenial, reccomended wait till june 18.04.1
[11:39] <sky887_> I won't wait :-)
[11:41] <lotuspsychje> sky887_: your the boss of your system
[11:42] <sky887_> I'm waiting til it arrives on the ubuntu site
[11:42] <sky887_> Oh I was mistaken. I do it just by the book
[11:43] <sky887_> *Scared*
[11:44] <sky887_> It arrives 26th of April on Ubuntu.com am I right?
[11:44] <lotuspsychje> sky887_: during the day yes
[11:45] <JimBuntu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes
[11:46] <lotuspsychje> nice page that
[11:46] <lotuspsychje> we should have it on trigger..
[11:46] <sky887_> Cool :-) lookin forward to it.  I have a pending or der on a new desktop PC as well. I'll install it instead of windowd
[11:46] <JimBuntu> "Python 2 is no longer installed by default. Python 3 has been updated to 3.6. This is the last LTS release to include Python 2 in main." <-- Me no likey
[11:47] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[11:47] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@R00TB0X:~$ apt-cache policy python2.7
[11:47] <lotuspsychje> python2.7:
[11:47] <lotuspsychje>   Geïnstalleerd: 2.7.15~rc1-1
[11:48] <JimBuntu> I remember you mentioned it was installed lotuspsychje , I still don't like the release note. I'll find out for myself if it's in the live system shortly.
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[11:57] <sky887_> Woo hoo it's released!!!!!
[11:57] <sky887_> *gotcha *
[11:57] <sky887_> For a sec anyhow
[12:01] <sky887_> Just being silly. Hehe
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> we almost believe you wow
[12:02] <sky887_> Yep for a sec cuz I'm the autorithy on this matter
[12:02] <sky887_> (NOT)
[12:05] <sky887_> Hm.. If i download it now. Will it be updated to its final version and beyond automatically?
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> !final | sky887_ no joke
[12:05] <ubot5`> sky887_ no joke: If you install a development version of Ubuntu bionic and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of 18.04 when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade » in a terminal.
[12:05] <sky887_> I might just do that
[12:06] <sky887_> Ah interesting I'll copy that
[12:08] <sky887_> I'm on it!
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> good boy
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> another soul sold to ubuntu :p
[12:11] <sky887_> Ah heck yeah!
[12:16] <sky887_> I'd like to download am iso of the 18.04
[12:17] <sky887_> Where do I get it?
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> sky887_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[12:19] <sky887_> Thanks
[17:08] <ducasse> what a special little snowflake
[17:09] <SlidingHorn> lol
[17:09] <ducasse> i'm guessing he gets to be pretty lonely
[17:10] <oerheks> i thought i gave the good direction..
[17:10] <oerheks> maybe one needs to logout/login for a ln to get active?
[17:11] <oerheks> never really got my hands dirty on that.
[17:12] <pragmaticenigma> oerheks, no... what they were trying to do was pointless.. moving the files to another folder and symlinking is the same as having the config file in the original place
[17:12] <pragmaticenigma> it doesn't hide anything
[17:13] <pragmaticenigma> oerheks, it's my guess... they are up to no good (!warez) and wanted our help in covering their tracks
[17:16] <ducasse> i can think of a reason, but i'm no longer very inclined to get involved :)
[17:17] <pragmaticenigma> is curious what ducasse thinks... oh well
[17:19] <ducasse> if you have an encrypted folder in your home, you might want to keep certain things like keys or config files with passwords etc there
[17:20] <pragmaticenigma> ducasse, but symlinking there would bypass that, no?
[17:20] <pragmaticenigma> ducasse, assuming the folder is unlocked
[17:21] <ducasse> yes, while the folder is unlocked it is just as accessible, but you can easily lock it
[17:22] <pragmaticenigma> but then the application wouldn't behave as expected since it's lost the ability to find it's config file
[17:23] <ducasse> true
[17:24] <ducasse> i'm not saying it's ideal, i'm considering it as a possibility
[17:24] <pragmaticenigma> yeah, I guess for the paranoid, there is a reason there is tails
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[17:54] <SlidingHorn> howdy lotuspsychje
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> hey there SlidingHorn
[17:55] <ducasse> \o lotuspsychje
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse chill day?
[17:56] <ducasse> yup, making dinner now
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> cool bon apetit ducasse
[17:57] <ducasse> thanks :) how was your party? good cake? :)
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> yeah it was nice, and bread & sandwiches afterwards
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> sunny day again here
[18:25] <oerheks> no more warning for dirty languages :_D
[18:27] <pragmaticenigma> wha? oerheks
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: cwr swearing
[18:29] <pragmaticenigma> lotuspsychje, oerheks - I'm not following what you're saying/meaning
[18:29] <oerheks> besides "I cant remember... " he used not welcome language
[18:30] <pragmaticenigma> yeah, but I don't follow how the "no more warning"
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> might mean he got enough of the swearing users :p
[18:34] <pragmaticenigma> I dunno... my head hurts too much to think further on it
[18:34] <pragmaticenigma> and the conspiracy topic in main is making it hurt more
[18:35] <lotuspsychje> what do you mean conspiracy pragmaticenigma ?
[18:35] <oerheks> oh that steamy guy ?
[18:36] <lotuspsychje> wauw dconf-editor pretty neat on bionic
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> !info dconf-editor bionic
[18:37] <ubot5`> dconf-editor (source: dconf-editor): simple configuration storage system - graphical editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.28.0-1 (bionic), package size 392 kB, installed size 2122 kB
[18:38] <SlidingHorn> lol oerheks - "you know what?  Fine.  Have at it."
[23:49] <bugzbunny> Have you people get over being upset me being here?
[23:57] <oerheks> yes, lets make you an Op
[23:59] <bugzie> My new nick will bugzie