[00:11] <CuChulaind> Hi everyone. I am running Ubuntu 18.04 on a Dell XPS 15 4K screen. To properly see the text and icons I have my screen % set to 200%, this works fine for most things, however when I use Burp Suite (a java program) the whole thing is so small I can read the text etc. What can I do to remedy this?
[00:12] <strazak> wow, you got me on that one.
[00:13] <CuChulaind> strazak, :)
[00:15] <CuChulaind> In that application itself, in the user options, I can set the font size to 40, however nothing changes
[00:24] <oerheks> cuchulaind, try <command> --force-device-scale-factor=2
[00:27] <cuddlesecks> heya all
[00:28] <cuddlesecks> my keyboard layout is US English (IBM Arabic 238_L)
[00:29] <cuddlesecks> is there a way to install it to ubuntu without manually mapping the keys one by one?
[00:30] <pragmaticenigma> cuddlesecks, are you installing ubuntu for the first time? or this is a new keyboard on an existing installation?
[00:33] <cuddlesecks> I've installed ubuntu using this keyboard. few keys were off compared to the English(US), but it wasn't that bad
[00:33] <cuddlesecks> I managed
, I don't want to keep using the en us layout though.
[00:36] <pragmaticenigma> cuddlesecks, this is for Ubuntu? Which version?
[00:36] <cuddlesecks> 16.04
[00:36] <tomreyn> sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[00:36] <yaxxino> Hi
[00:37] <tomreyn> hi yaxxino
[00:38] <yaxxino> can someone tell me whats the command to display log folder ditails like in this one here https://askubuntu.com/questions/863995/my-var-log-folder-is-taking-too-much-space
[00:38] <tomreyn> yaxxino: ls -l /var/log
[00:38] <pragmaticenigma> cuddlesecks, you can use what tomreyn just suggested or in your apps find System Settings => "Text Entry" and add the new layout there and remove the English US
[00:39] <tomreyn> yaxxino: you may want to run it with sudo in case it returns error messages.
[00:39] <cuddlesecks> tomreyn, the command shows a list of all the preinstalled models
[00:39] <cuddlesecks> localectl list-x11-keymap-models
[00:39] <pragmaticenigma> cuddlesecks, scratch the "Text Entry" area... go to the Keyboard settings in System Settings
[00:39] <cuddlesecks> this does the same
[00:39] <cuddlesecks> the problem is, my layout isn't there to begin with
[00:40]  * pragmaticenigma or i don't know how to do it in the GUI... CLI is best for me too
[00:41] <pragmaticenigma> cuddlesecks, look for Arabic 101, Arabic 102, or Arabic 102 Azerty
[00:43] <cuddlesecks> nope, no 102's there. That would've solved half the problem but oh well
[00:43] <bobdobbs> Yesterday I bought a seagate external drive for backup. I plugged it in and ubuntu found it. I started copying my homedir across before I went to bed. In the morning I discover that the drive can't be accessed.
[00:44] <bobdobbs> I unplugged it and plugged it back in. When I try to navigate it using gnomes version of explorer I get the message "unable to access 'Seagate Expansion Drive'"
[00:45] <yaxxino> tomreyn: thank you, this is my output https://pastebin.com/FGNidhNz can you tell which file to delete to free space from my var folder and whats the command line to do that. thanks again
[00:45] <bobdobbs> There's a longer message, but gnome won't let me copy and paste text from the dialogue
[00:45] <pragmaticenigma> cuddlesecks, sorry, I was expecting those options tomreyn provided to be like the keyboard selection during install
[00:46] <bobdobbs> basically I just want to plugin in an external hard drive via usb and copy stuff to it. How does one do this with ubuntu?
[00:46] <pragmaticenigma> bobdobbs, Do your files have anything other than ASCII characters in them (possibly unicode for non-english based characters)?
[00:46] <cuddlesecks> yeah, I wish to know if there's a package to install or something similar to add a new layout
[00:47] <boblamont> bobdobbbs: Is it usb2 or usb3?
[00:47] <cuddlesecks> otherwise, is manual keymapping the only way? because that'd suck
[00:47] <bobdobbs> pragmaticenigma: maybe some of them do. Like my music folder is full of non-text files
[00:47] <bobdobbs> boblamont: I don't know
[00:48] <pragmaticenigma> cuddlesecks, I found the perfect tutorial, but it's from 2010 :-( a much older version of gnome
[00:49] <pragmaticenigma> bobdobbs, file contents doesn't matter but file names do... I'm assuming the drive is formatted in NTFS, which doesn't have very good support for file names outside of the standard ASCII character set or files that contain reserved characters
[00:49] <dabba> bobdobbs, did you format it? if so, what file system did you use?
[00:49] <cuddlesecks> pragmaticenigma, do share, might help me get ideas
[00:49] <pragmaticenigma> cuddlesecks: https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/17508/add-keyboard-input-language-to-ubuntu/
[00:50] <bobdobbs> dabba: I didn't format it. I didn't think I had to: when I plugged it in for the first time it just worked. I could see the contents
[00:50] <pragmaticenigma> cuddlesecks, I think I was on the right trail with "System Settings" => "Text Entry"
[00:50] <cuddlesecks> "System Settings" => "Text Entry"
[00:51] <cuddlesecks> that was the first attempt for me
[00:51] <dabba> bobdobbs, my guess is it probably shipped with NTFS, if you don't need windows support maybe try reformatting the partition on it to ext4?
[00:51] <boblamont> bad file names shouldn't stop it from mounting the drive though,
[00:51] <cuddlesecks> like i said, it's not listed in the layout list
[00:51] <pragmaticenigma> cuddlesecks, in there you can add Arabic as an input source. When you've added the layout, there is a keyboard icon to check the layout on screen
[00:51] <bobdobbs> dabba: I guess it doesn't do any harm to format it now
[00:52] <cuddlesecks> which shows a wrong layout, trust me I've tried them all
[00:52] <cuddlesecks> all the options for both arabic and english
[00:52] <dabba> bobdobbs, thats what i'm thinking, if you were copying and not moving the contents, as in not losing data.  might play nicer with a native linux filesystem
[00:52] <pragmaticenigma> bobdobbs, it can corrupt the FAT, which is needed to mount NTFS volumes
[00:52] <bobdobbs> pragmaticenigma: damn
[00:52] <cuddlesecks> I know exactly what my layout name is, I'm just wondering where can I fetch and install it
[00:53] <cuddlesecks> if it's even possible
[00:53] <bobdobbs> pragmaticenigma: so, what's the safest possible way of making the drive accessible
[00:53] <cuddlesecks> US English (IBM Arabic 238_L), this is my layout
[00:54] <pragmaticenigma> cuddlesecks, just to verify, this doesn't work for you? https://askubuntu.com/a/298752
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[00:54] <cuddlesecks> 1 sec
[00:55] <pragmaticenigma> bobdobbs, since it is brand new. I'd start with a format. Two options here. If the drive is only for Linux, you can format it in Ext4 and copy to your hearts content. If you want acces via Windows, then format it (preferably with a windows machine) to NTFS to reset it.
[00:55] <pragmaticenigma> bobdobbs, it's also possible that a windows machine might be able to repair the drive
[00:55] <pragmaticenigma> bobdobbs, without needing to format it... when you plug it into windows, it will want to do a check disk
[00:55] <sigilbaram> How are you supposed to set the root password for mardiadb? It did not ask for one when installed.
[00:56] <bobdobbs> pragmaticenigma: what about FAT32? If I use that, will the drive be accessible to both windows and linux?
[00:56] <cuddlesecks> pragmaticenigma, haha I swear I understand the option you're pointing me to my friend. Again, I've tried every arabic and english keyboard layout on that list and previewed them all. No, mine's not there. Yes, this was the first thing I've tried
[00:56] <dabba> sigilbaram, run cmd: mysql_secure_installation
[00:56] <pragmaticenigma> sigilbaram, this should help you "reset" the mariadb password: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-reset-your-mysql-or-mariadb-root-password
[00:57] <dabba> you want to run mysql_secure_installation after install mariadb to secure it ;)
[00:57] <sigilbaram> dabba: No. That just says it changes the password. It still refuses to let me log in afterwards.
[00:57] <oerheks> bobdobbs, find out if it is ntfs of exfat or fat32 or ext3/4
[00:57] <bobdobbs> oerheks: how do I do that?
[00:57] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilesystemTroubleshooting
[00:57] <bobdobbs> thanks
[00:57] <pragmaticenigma> bobdobbs, FAT32 has a size limit, I'm assuming this is a terabyte sized drive
[00:58] <bobdobbs> pragmaticenigma: oh yeah. 2 terabytes
[00:58] <dabba> hmm, that script always works for me... after running it I can login to root as you would any mysqldb
[00:58] <pragmaticenigma> dabba, one needs to know the root password for the script to be able to run
[00:58] <dabba> not the first time pragmaticenigma
[00:59] <compdoc> pragmaticenigma, the root passwd for mysql/maria
[00:59] <dabba> he said it didn't ask on install (which it doesn't)
[01:00] <pragmaticenigma> bobdobbs, exfat does work for both windows and linux. though it still doesn't help with non-ascii file names
[01:00] <sigilbaram> pragmaticenigma: when I run mysqld_safe it exits immediately.
[01:01] <bobdobbs> pragmaticenigma: thanks
[01:02] <bobdobbs> oh. the gnome shell gives me an option for format the drive!
[01:02] <sigilbaram> oh wait it worked this time? @.@
[01:03] <boblamont> I just plugged in an external DVD/CD drive to rip a CD, but it isn't showing up. I tried lsusb, but it froze until I unplugged the USB cable from the drive, then it listed the rest of the USB stuff. Is there something that can show me what happens when I plug/unplug it?
[01:04] <dabba> boblamont, dmesg should show you device related events
[01:04] <pragmaticenigma> boblamont, you can look at /var/log/syslog and /var/log/dmesg
[01:04] <boblamont> thanks both of you, I'll take a look
[01:05] <pragmaticenigma> boblamont, also might want to try a different cable?
[01:10] <sigilbaram> pragmaticenigma: "You are using MariaDB as an anonymous user and anonymous users are not allowed to change passwords".
[01:10] <sigilbaram> This after logging in as root... :\
[01:11] <sky887> Hell!
[01:11] <sigilbaram> Someone went sooooooooooo far out of their way trying to secure this package that I can't even set it up. :\
[01:11] <pragmaticenigma> sigilbaram, the only thing I know is I've used that tutorial with MySQl when I didn't have or didn't know the root password to MySQL.
[01:11] <sky887> Hello, i meant
[01:13] <sigilbaram> pragmaticenigma: I've done these things before. I know that should work, but they aren't with this particular installation, which is brand new. T.T
[01:13] <dabba> whenever i setup mariadb, i install it, run the secure installation script, and login works fine with mysql -u root -p
[01:14] <pragmaticenigma> dabba, "works for me" type statements aren't helpful. sigilbaram tried that and it didn't appear to work
[01:15] <sigilbaram> I even deleted /var/lib/mysql and did mysql_install_db.
[01:16] <pragmaticenigma> sigilbaram, isn't there usually a file somewhere that holds the root password. I know I create one for my own user so I don't have to type the password for automatted scripts
[01:16] <sigilbaram> mysql_secure_installation says it changes the password, but it doesn't ACTUALLY change it.
[01:16] <pragmaticenigma> is mysql_secure_installation even finding mariadb?
[01:16] <sky887> I'm new to Linux. Any tips? What to do for instance?
[01:16] <dabba> if that script isn't changing the password, i'm thinking there is a problem with the install and you might want to apt --purge it and reinstall
[01:17] <sky887> Do i need to learn the terminal?
[01:17] <sigilbaram> sudo mysql --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf
[01:17] <sigilbaram> This logs in but still doesn't seem to let me change the password
[01:18] <pragmaticenigma> sky887, nope, you can use Ubuntu without ever touching the terminal.
[01:18] <pragmaticenigma> sky887, Your question is very broad, if there was a specific task you needed to complete and were unsure how to do it. It would help if you asked that specific question
[01:20] <sky887> pragmaticenigma, ok. Thanks! But what is the difference between Linux and Windows?
[01:21] <oerheks> ##windows has no trolls
[01:21] <Tin_man> :)
[01:21] <sky887> I find that I like Linux too
[01:21] <Tin_man> what a question
[01:22] <sky887> Hehe tell me in short
[01:22] <oerheks> disable your mouse and go tty https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[01:23] <sky887> OK lol
[01:23] <sky887> I'm gonna hang around here and maybe learn a thing or two! :-)
[01:24] <pragmaticenigma> sky887, that's one of the best ways to learn
[01:24] <oerheks> sure a good start
[01:24] <pragmaticenigma> sky887, just be careful of commands given to you on the web. Do not try anything you're unfamiliar with. If someone is giving you a command to use, ask them to explain the command and what to expect.
[01:25] <pragmaticenigma> sky887, also, search the web for some of those commands. and look for second opinions.
[01:25] <sky887> Yep messed up an installation previously because of that
[01:25] <sigilbaram> dabba I did apt-get purge off mariadb-* and mysql-common. removed /etc/mysql and /var/lib/mysql. apt-get intall mariadb-server. mysql_secure_install. Same issue. Doesn't actually set the password. T.T
[01:26] <pragmaticenigma> sky887, In this room especially, there are unfortunately individuals that will suggest something that is malicious. Others usually will quickly respond to bad commands
[01:26] <sky887> Lol!
[01:26] <sky887> OK
[01:27] <pragmaticenigma> sky887, watching this room you will quickly pick up the knowledge experts
[01:28] <sky887> pragmaticenigma, I'm assuming you are one!
[01:28] <dabba> sigilbaram, the secure install script completes successfully? any messages out of the ordinary?  do you select any options other than the defaults?
[01:29] <dabba> sigilbaram, also which version of ubuntu? my mariadb experience is with ubuntu 16.04
[01:30] <sigilbaram> dabba, Password updated successfully!; Reloading privilege tables ... Success!
[01:30] <sigilbaram> This is 16.04
[01:30] <dabba> are you using the ubuntu repository or the official mariadb respository?
[01:31] <sigilbaram> The only respository I added was ppa:ubuntu-toolchain-r/test
[01:31] <sky887> pragmaticenigma, i thinking learning coding a little bit too
[01:31] <sky887> I've got good resources
[01:32] <dabba> systemctl status mariadb looks good?
[01:32] <sky887> *I'm
[01:32] <Tin_man> sky887 I found this pdf several years ago.. it's a good primer on terminal. >>> http://www.linuxzasve.com/preuzimanje/TLCL-09.12.pdf
[01:33] <dabba> sigilbaram, do you have mariadb-client installed also?
[01:33] <sky887> Tin_man Thanks!
[01:33] <Tin_man> np
[01:34] <sky887> I'll check it out
[01:35] <sky887> Hm.. i won't download.
[01:36] <sigilbaram> dabba, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TQkRV4tWZh/
[01:36] <sky887> I'll Google though! Great tip!
[01:37] <sigilbaram> And yeah when I installed mariadb-server it pulled in mariadb-client and mysql-common
[01:37] <dabba> sigilbaram, that looks useful
[01:38] <dabba> sigilbaram, what authentication plugin are you using?
[01:38] <Tin_man> sky887, if you using firefox at the top of the document on the right side you see a printer and a down arrow  press the down arrow, and it will download
[01:39] <sky887> Tin_man sorry. I won't
[01:39] <sigilbaram> dabba, I don't even know what that is...
[01:39] <dabba> do you login when you just do mysql -u root?
[01:40] <sigilbaram> dabba, no it says access denied.
[01:40] <Tin_man> i doubt you want to print it out, it's 522 pages.. better to download. and leisurely read it with a pdf reader
[01:40] <sigilbaram> dabba Oh if I use sudo it works.
[01:40] <dabba> sigilbaram, https://mariadb.com/kb/en/library/authentication-plugin-unix-socket/
[01:41] <dabba> sigilbaram, bottom of that article has steps to switch to password auth if you need it
[01:42] <sigilbaram> dabba Wait so this makes it so that local users can connect to their mysql account without a password?
[01:43] <dabba> yeah, digging a little more on the docs it looks like this is enabled by default on debian versions (but shouldn't be on ubuntu) which is weird
[01:44] <dabba> well wait you aren't using the official repo
[01:44] <dabba> so if you had used the official repo the plugin wouldn't have been enabled by default (and the password would've worked from the start)
[01:44] <dabba> but the debain/ubuntu packages have this enabled at install
[01:44] <sky887> Any good casual chat channels?
[01:44] <theCommenter> hi guys, may i know does anyone here has configure their own wifi on ubuntu before? such as recompile the driver so on and forth? I have look through some of the helpful pages posted on ubuntu forum but it wasn't able to solve my problem.
[01:44] <dabba> sky887, #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[01:45] <sky887> Thanks
[01:45] <sigilbaram> The ppa I'm using is just things like gcc and g++? That shouldn't have messed with mariadb?
[01:46] <sky887> Cannot join it dabba
[01:46] <dabba> no what i'm saying is if you add the official repos for mariadb, the unix socket authentication plugin would not be enabled
[01:47] <sigilbaram> Ooooh I thought you meant the official ubuntu repos.
[01:47] <dabba> apologies for the confusion sigilbaram
[01:47] <sky887> Any others?
[01:47] <theCommenter> i'm using a wifi dongle with Ralink 5370 chipset
[01:47] <Bashing-om> !alis | sky887
[01:48] <sigilbaram> dabba No problem. This is actually kind of a neat feature. I don't mind it now that I know why passwords weren't working. Makes importing stuff easier. xD
[01:49] <dabba> sigilbaram, yeah I had used the official packages so I didn't even realize this plugin existed. seems useful.  glad we got to the bottom of it!
[01:49] <dabba> *official mariadb packages* :P
[01:50] <sigilbaram> Thanks for the help figuring out what was going on. xD
[01:50] <pragmaticenigma> sky887, to join other rooms you will need to register your nick with freenode
[01:50] <pragmaticenigma> !register | sky887
[01:51] <pragmaticenigma> sigilbaram, I had to step away... what ended up being the trouble spot?
[01:52] <sigilbaram> pragmaticenigma: https://mariadb.com/kb/en/library/authentication-plugin-unix-socket/
[01:53] <sigilbaram> lets users logged into the system use their mysql account without needing passwords, but removes password functionality.
[01:57] <sky887> Thanks!
[01:58] <srini> hello friends, i try to install dual os in HP laptop. I disable secure boot and fast boot option. after that i install ubuntu. everything fine ubuntu installed but after restarting its directly goes to windows login\ kindly suggest what i should do ?
[01:58] <dabba> srini, you may need to change the boot order in bios to first go to the ubuntu (grub) /boot partition
[01:59] <tweety_> when start ubuntu live cd (for 16.04)  get a black screen with two choices: "1." and "2." with no text description next to the numbers.  What does each choice say?
[01:59] <srini> bios i select usb,hdd,cd ordee
[01:59] <AmR|EiSa> Hello
[01:59] <AmR|EiSa> I got E: Unable to locate package linux-firmware-nonfree ?
[01:59] <AmR|EiSa> What new name ?
[01:59] <AmR|EiSa> What's new name ?*
[01:59] <pragmaticenigma> sigilbaram, what a silly plugin to install by default and not tell anyone
[02:00] <dabba> pragmaticenigma, I thought the same thing!  Learned about it tonight because I've only used the mariadb repos that don't automatically enable it
[02:00] <sigilbaram> pragmaticenigma: It's nice now that I know but... yeah... would have been nice to know... xD
[02:01] <srini> dabba ?
[02:01] <srini> i enable uefi mode also
[02:01] <dabba> srini, in bios, usually you can see options for windows/ubuntu/usb/cdrom - My laptop is lenovo though, and I have not used HP in a long time so I can't say much more than that
[02:02] <sigilbaram> It's especially interesting that mysql_secure_installation just... doesn't care... Success!?
[02:02] <srini> sql is available for ubuntu\is it free or charge ?
[02:03] <dabba> sigilbaram, yeah that should give some info on the fact that passwords are completely ineffectual lol
[02:04] <paddy> Ubuntu 18.04beta2 KDE - I have xpad installed and when I try to connect my XBOX ONE controller it only shows the the mac address and when I go to connect it won't connect
[02:04] <paddy> this was working fine on gnome desktop
[02:04] <dabba> paddy, i think you'll want to bring questions on 18.04 to #ubuntu+1
[02:04] <pragmaticenigma> dabba, sigilbaram now that you meantion it... I think the default MySQL installer does the same thing... It's been a year since I did anything with it
[02:05] <AmR|EiSa> Any help ?
[02:06] <sigilbaram> pragmaticenigma: that's possible. I vaguely remember banging my head against mysql on debian....
[02:06] <sigilbaram> I mean ubuntu maybe also debian
[02:06] <pragmaticenigma> sigilbaram, it makes sense if it were a desktop installation, but I use server. implying that the server may need remote connections (though I don't use root for those)
[02:07] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | AmR|EiSa
[02:07] <oerheks> !info linux-firmware
[02:07] <dabba> AmR|EiSa, sounds like you may need to enable the non-free repos
[02:07] <oerheks> so the -nonfree is dropped
[02:08] <AmR|EiSa> ok
[02:08] <Bashing-om> !Info linux-firmware xenial | AmR|EiSa
[02:09] <dabba> i think if you want nonfree packages that is in the multiverse now, is it not?
[02:09] <dabba> sudo apt-add-repository multiverse && sudo apt-get update
[02:10] <sigilbaram> pragmaticenigma: Well it's a per-use authentication method, so any remote servers that need to connect to MySQL could still use a password instead, while the server admin could use this password to login with ssh.
[02:10] <paradisecafe> yo
[02:12] <sigilbaram> s/admin could use this password/admin could use this plugin/
[02:15] <pragmaticenigma> sigilbaram, guess it just needs better documentation in the ubuntu wiki
[02:22] <boblamont> I think I found out what my problem with the cd/dvd drive was... it's broken. A different drive had no similar problem.
[02:24] <pragmaticenigma> boblamont, makes sense. glad to hear you solved it!
[02:37] <raynold_> halo
[02:37] <raynold_> wht is this
[02:45] <i-make-robots> hi ubuntu.  I have a 16.04 rescue disk, from which I've managed to access my busted sda1.  I can see all the files.  how can i FTP them to my NAS?  ftp only does one file at a time and I can't install ncftp.
[02:45] <i-make-robots> they're 12G, so i can't just write them to dvd. :T
[02:45] <i-make-robots> hint, please?
[02:47] <oerheks> your nas won't write faster than file-per-file
[02:47] <oerheks> you could make it one file, that could save time with scp
[02:51] <i-make-robots> i haven't the room to zip it all?
[02:51] <i-make-robots> NAS says it can create a NFS user, now i just need to figure out how to mount it on the funky box
[02:55] <i-make-robots> i tried sudo mount -t nfs 192.168.1.105:/public /mnt/temp, I get invalid fs?
[02:56] <i-make-robots> there's no /sbin/mount.nfs or /sbin/mount.cifs
[02:57] <oerheks> i would just install filezilla in the liveiso, and connect
[03:18] <dabba> i-make-robots, would rsync work?
[03:37] <i-make-robots> dabba - i get a "command not found", but when i rs<tab> it lists rsync
[03:37] <i-make-robots> same for scp
[03:37] <i-make-robots> i can ssh to the NAS.
[03:37] <i-make-robots> so idk wtf is going on
[03:38] <dabba> i-make-robots, can you use a full 16.04 live usb environment?  as opposed to the rescue disk?
[03:39] <i-make-robots> I don't think I have a usb stick big enough.  lemme check...
[03:40] <i-make-robots> i'd need a url about how to set up a usb stick as the env.  this box is so old it only responds to the ps2 keyboard
[03:41] <i-make-robots> it also says there are 25 of 27G used, then says 0% available. :T
[03:42] <dabba> well if you can use another machine to create the usb media, then booting from the usb media you should be able to access your busted sda1 and move your files.  I'm just not familiar with the rescue disk but I've done similar stuff with just the regular ubuntu 16.04 usb install running in evaluation (GUI)
[03:42] <dabba> sounds like the rescue disk you booted from is lacking some functionality that i think would be in the standard 16.04 install media
[03:50] <conjo> hey anyone know if there is a general ubuntu linux channel on freenode-want to know how to make a live install of windows with persistence on a usb from ubuntu or terminal
[04:00] <pragmaticenigma> conjo, to the best of my knowledge there is no tool in the Linux/Gnu world for that purpose. Microsoft offers a tool that is available only to Enterprise level versions of their OS. you might find help in /join #windows
[04:01] <MoonManT> what does the "stable" mean in the follow command? "cat rvm.sh | bash -s stable", maybe an argument that is passed into the script being run?
[04:02] <MoonManT> i checked the man page, the word stable is not in there, and a google search for stable is very generic
[04:05] <pragmaticenigma> MoonManT, the value "stable" is passed to the script rvm.sh ... the script rvm.sh consumes that argument
[04:06] <pragmaticenigma> MoonManT, if rvm.sh is what I think it is, it is telling the ruby installer to use the "stable" branch for install
[04:07] <pragmaticenigma> MoonManT, further information can be found here: https://rvm.io/rvm/install
[04:08] <MoonManT> pragmaticenigma: thank you
[04:21] <conjo> anyone know how to make live win usb from ubuntu
[04:22] <conjo> cant find info on how to do it from linux only how to from windows
[04:22] <marko_> #freedv
[04:23] <conjo> whats that dude
[04:24] <gogeta> conjo, a tool called woeusb or winusb is what you need
[04:24] <conjo> cant find it in the ubuntu software center and have been warned off installing from terminal
[04:25] <conjo> as repos not kept up to date and leads to security holes in system
[04:25] <conjo> please advise your logic
[04:25] <conjo> or approach to make it findable in software center
[04:26] <gogeta> conjo, sounds like your normal bad advice someone hear would give
[04:26] <conjo> mmkay
[04:26] <conjo> so what then and any thought behind that
[04:27] <gogeta> conjo, you try the built in tool
[04:27] <conjo> do you mean starup disk creator
[04:28] <gogeta> conjo, the gnome disk unilty
[04:28] <pragmaticenigma> conjo, the advice you were probably given is that this channel does not support software supplied outside of the official Ubuntu package repositories. Software obtained elsewhere is at your own risk. It is up to you to determine if the program accomplishes what you desire and is worth installing on your system.
[04:28] <conjo> yeah but no good for windows usb that i wanna boot live with persistence(like
[04:28] <gogeta> utilty
[04:29] <gogeta> conjo, you need this ppa the install winusb
[04:29] <conjo> starup disk creator is good for making my live linux usb's but not windows unless im doing something wrong(please advise)
[04:29] <gogeta> conjo, https://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/webupd8?dist=artful
[04:30] <gogeta> conjo, yea windows needs it own speical sauce
[04:30] <gogeta> conjo, using the normal dd command does not work
[04:31] <conjo> do i add it from the terminal (copy paste) or from the software and updates page(see image)
[04:32] <gogeta> conjo, copy past then apt-get install winusb
[04:32] <conjo> https://imgur.com/a/sCk4Z6A
[04:32] <gogeta> sudo apt-get instal winusb
[04:34] <Ben64> that won't get you live windows
[04:35] <conjo> hey where do i paste "https://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/webupd8?dist=artful", also do i add wget to it or anything tried in the terminal and this is my output "no such file or directory"
[04:36] <conjo> tried in the "software updates" and it wont allow me to add
[04:36] <gogeta> conjo, you copy this sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8
[04:36] <conjo> thanks
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> conjo: we dont support external ppa's here
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> gogeta: when users try to add ppa's please also inform them about the risks aka !ppa
[04:38] <pragmaticenigma> !ppa | gogeta
[04:39] <gogeta> i sware when did this turn from helping with issue to purest garbage
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> gogeta: do you know how many users come here with scramled dependecies because of adding ppa's?
[04:40] <conjo> cant install winusb it says "Unable to locate package" help
[04:40] <conjo> got the warning cheers
[04:40] <gogeta> conjo, sudo apt-get update
[04:40] <gogeta> conjo, then sudo apt-get install winusb
[04:41] <conjo> thanking you
[04:41] <Ben64> winusb doesn't even do what was requested
[04:41] <Ben64> just a big waste of time :|
[04:41] <pragmaticenigma> gogeta, when users install random stuff from all over the web, it becomes very difficult to help them. All the volunteers here know where to find documentation and resources for the items that are provided by Ubuntu. This channel has 1555 users at the moment, next week that number will like quintuple. We strive to help keep things baseline as best we can.
[04:41] <gogeta> Ben64, he whants a windows installer correct
[04:41] <Ben64> no
[04:42] <gogeta> well dam
 yeah but no good for windows usb that i wanna boot live with persistence(like
[04:42] <conjo> (got that what is <Ben64>
[04:42] <Ben64> huh?
[04:42] <gogeta> conjo, yea winusb only makes windows installers for 7 and up
[04:43] <conjo> what will allow making live usb win with persistence from linux
[04:43] <Ben64> nothing
[04:43] <conjo> surely there is a way
[04:43] <pragmaticenigma> conjo, as I stated earlier. the only way to create what you are looking for is to have a valid Windows Enterprise level installation. Which has the tool available to build a peristant windows USB live environment
[04:43] <Ben64> nope
[04:43] <Ben64> ask ##windows on ways to do it
[04:44] <conjo> can you tell me what the tool is called
[04:44] <conjo> please
[04:44] <Ben64> ask ##windows or google
[04:44] <pragmaticenigma> conjo, It is built into Windows. I do not know what it is called. Plase /join ##windows as they're more likely to have people familiar with it
[04:44] <Ben64> not on topic at all
[04:44] <conjo> also did the winusb install work think i had an error not sure-please advise
 mkay thanks
[04:45] <conjo> https://imgur.com/a/lokCLwy
 did it work see img
[04:45] <conjo> think dats n error on the install yeah? me noob
[04:46] <pragmaticenigma> conjo, it did not work. the PPA does not support Ubuntu 16.04 aparently
[04:46] <conjo> suger
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> gogeta: you see why suggesting ppa's are risks now?
[04:47] <gogeta> conjo, dam that ones down relly
[04:47] <gogeta> conjo, just remove that from your softwhere sources to fix that
[04:48] <gogeta> conjo, it did not do what you where asking anyways
[04:48] <conjo> so now i have to delete the added repo and sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade to be all good again is this correct (me noob) help me learn if i am wrong too verbose or overkill
[04:48] <conjo> just saw your answer
[04:48] <gogeta> conjo, just go to your softwhere sorces in the ui
[04:49] <conjo> re my question is that overkill
[04:49] <conjo> thanks
[04:49] <gogeta> conjo, yea that was overkill
[04:51] <conjo> i made a mistake-i needed to tick the boxes in the software sources page,i hadnt and now it is installed and launching
[04:52] <conjo> thanks for all it has been very informative for me (learning more about linux and giving me perspective as im not advanced in understanding all that has been mentioned)
[04:53] <gogeta> conjo, nice but that only makes install usb sticks
[04:53] <gogeta> conjo, not a luve usb
[04:53] <gogeta> live
[04:53] <conjo> great to hear conflicting opinions and examples of stuff so i understand
[04:53] <conjo> i know
[04:53] <conjo> but i have learned quite a bit
[04:54] <conjo> if i have to i will use a vm to do it with wsus or sumthing
[04:54] <gogeta> conjo, vm are good
[04:54] <gogeta> conjo, i do recomond downloading the deb from virtual box vs the one in the store
[04:55] <gogeta> conjo, it was usb closed source bits
[04:55] <conjo> oracle version yeah
[04:55] <conjo> got that and the addon for my externals usbs drive sharing
[04:56] <ca_cabotage> how is battery life looking in ubuntu 18.04? i'm considering swapping over my T430
[04:56] <conjo> and are there heaps of bugs?
[04:56]  * conjo wants to swap if its good
[04:57] <Bashing-om> !18.04 | ca_cabotage
[04:57] <gogeta> yea thers a channel for that
[04:58] <gogeta> its not offical uyet
[04:58] <gogeta> yet
[04:58] <ca_cabotage> yeah, for what a few more days
[04:58] <ca_cabotage> so how is battery life in 17.10?
[04:59] <pragmaticenigma> ca_cabotage, that is a question better suited for our off topic room, /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:00] <Sky887> Hi again
[05:00] <gogo> HI
[05:01] <gogo> I just dl and installed JDK in my ubuntu 16.04 usr/local/java/ but there  is no JRE inside it for me to setup the locarion of javac and java
[05:02] <gogo> do I need to install JRE separately?
[05:02] <gogeta> java is bad for your soul
[05:02] <pragmaticenigma> gogeta, that is not helpful. please keep commentary to offtopic
[05:02] <gogo> why :-(
[05:03] <pragmaticenigma> gogo, did you use apt to install java or did you download it direct from Oracle?
[05:04] <gogo> downloaded from oracle then tar xzvf
[05:04] <arjun> hii
[05:04] <gogo> did the package not incluede JRE pragmaticenigme
[05:05] <Guest42925> how to add password to folder
[05:05] <pragmaticenigma> gogo, what does the site say where you downloaded it from?
[05:08] <gogo> pragmaticenigma, nothing just commands after commands
[05:08] <gogo> cd /usr/local/java
[05:08] <gogo> $ sudo tar xzvf ~/Downloads/jdk-9.0.{x}-linux-x64_bin.tar.gz
[05:08] <gogo> pragmaticenigma, I'm having problem with this part Inform the Ubuntu to use this JDK/JRE:
[05:08] <gogo> / Setup the location of java, javac and javaws
[05:08] <gogo> $ sudo update-alternatives --install "/usr/bin/java" "java" "/usr/local/java/jdk-9.0.{x}/jre/bin/java" 1
[05:08] <gogo>       // --install symlink name path priority
[05:08] <gogo> $ sudo update-alternatives --install "/usr/bin/javac" "javac" "/usr/local/java/jdk-9.0.{x}/bin/javac" 1
[05:08] <gogo> $ sudo update-alternatives --install "/usr/bin/javaws" "javaws" "/usr/local/java/jdk-9.0.{x}/jre/bin/javaws" 1
[05:10] <gogo> I can;t Setup the location of java, javac and javaws
[05:11] <pragmaticenigma> gogo... use pastebin.ubuntu.com to post your text.
[05:12] <pragmaticenigma> gogo, also, the JDK does not come with JRE ... Oracles site states: The JDK includes tools useful for developing and testing programs written in the Java programming language and running on the Java platform.
[05:13] <pragmaticenigma> gogo, the absense of "run java applications" or the like should tell you, you need the JRE installed separetly
[05:14] <gogo> ok pragmaticeigma, how do i do it? terminal or tar?
[05:20] <pragmaticenigma> gogo, I don't understand why you are not using the package manager to install this. It would be a lot simplier and we could support it
[05:20] <gogo> yes I just did pragmaticenigma
[05:20] <gogo> using temrminal
[05:20] <gogo> ty
[05:21] <gogo> now it shows that java is installed
[05:22] <gogo> now where is it? and should I be moving it to usr/local/java ????
[05:25] <Sky887> whats the name of the ubuntu offtopic channel?
[05:25] <pragmaticenigma> gogo do not move anything
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> !ot | Sky887
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> Sky887: we also have #ubuntu-discuss for ubuntu related chat
[05:26] <pragmaticenigma> gogo, type "whereis java" to find it
[05:27] <gogo> ty pragmaticenigma keep doing the good work I apreciate . tysm
[05:27] <Sky887> okay, but i cant access the offtopic
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> Sky887: are you registered?
[05:28] <Sky887> yep i think so
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> Sky887: check the error on join?
[05:28] <Sky887> i can access it but there is 0 users
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> Sky887: mistyped?
[05:28] <pragmaticenigma> Sky887, /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:28] <Sky887> mybe
[05:29] <Sky887> probably
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> Sky887: some clients you can click on the #ubuntu-offtopic to join also
[05:30] <sky887> im using Polari
[05:30] <pragmaticenigma> sky887, oh... nicks are also case sensitive... so if you registered as sky887 instead of Sky887 that makes a difference
[05:32] <sky887> yeah
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> sky887: identified?
[05:33] <sky887> yep
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> sky887: ok, join the channel now
[05:33] <krytarik> The above statement is untrue however.
[05:34] <pragmaticenigma> !who | krytarik
[05:34] <krytarik> You, my dude! ;P
[05:35] <pragmaticenigma> thanks krytarik I'll add it to my notes... some servers are, and some aren't I've found
[05:35] <pragmaticenigma> err'd on caution side
[05:35] <krytarik> Fair enough.
[05:36] <sky887> well i dont get it to work ah well
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> sky887: its not very hard...type /j #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:36] <sky887> i have done so m'lord
[05:36] <sky887> just wont show any users
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> sky887: then your in the wrong channel
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> sky887: it has 115 users atm
[05:37] <sky887> lol ubuntu-offtopic
[05:38] <sky887> hm i think i got the answer i used my cellphone earlier maybe need to log out
[05:40] <sky887> in fact i think ill just stay in this channel
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> sky887: this channel is only for support
[05:41] <sky887> lotuspsychje: well now, aint that a-somthin
[05:41] <sky887> what about ubuntu related
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | sky887
[05:56] <luna_> Installing 18.04 RC1 now
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> luna_: welcome to the ubuntu community, #ubuntu+1 for 18.04 support if you want
[06:02] <i-make-robots> dabba - so... if i have the usb in as sda5 and i open a shell on that, i should be able to write to the media and apt-get?
[06:07] <icmpcat> Hello. I'm stuck on zesty. I do a apt-get dist-upgrade and I get a lot of errors. What are my options?
[06:09] <sky887> you got a range of options, in fact all the options in the world if you think about it!
[06:09] <icmpcat> heh
[06:09] <sky887> :))))
[06:09] <guiverc> icmpcat, zesty is EOL. when a release reaches eol its repos are moved from `archive.ubuntu.com` to old-releases.ubuntu.com - you could make this change yourself, then release-upgrade to the later version
[06:10] <icmpcat> so change all archive.ubuntu.com entries in my sources.list? that should atleast get me started?
[06:10] <kostkon> !eolupgrades
[06:10] <guiverc> you could also re-install a newer version (ideally it tries to preserve your apps & settings, but make sure you don't format or make a mistake with the install)
[06:11] <guiverc> icmpcat, note: if you had country codes (eg. au.archive.ubu..) - remove the country code as old-releases.ubuntu.com doesn;t have them
[06:15] <guiverc> icmpcat, i hope you're right. you've got it; just remember to `sudo apt update` to update your repo-lists before dist-upgrade etc
[06:17] <sky887> whats the difference beteween sudo apt upgrde and sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:18] <sky887>  except for the spelling mistake
[06:18] <sky887> ill tell ya one's got -get in it, but what else?
[06:19] <ducasse> sky887: apt has a progress indicator, that's about it
[06:19] <sky887> ok
[06:22] <sky887> *goin fer a CiG*
[06:25] <sky887> anyone stoked for the new LTS release?
[06:25] <sky887> i for sure am!
[06:30] <paddy> I can't get my xbox one controller to connect
[06:30] <paddy> The bluetooth menu in KDE only shows the mac address and it won't connect. It worked fine in gnome
[06:46] <sky887> now i've got two nicks registered nicks on all 3 channels
[07:28] <sky887_> Anyone here? Obviously, but, anyone here?
[07:29] <ducasse> !ask
[07:30] <sky887_> I have a suggestion. Once you install an irc client on Ubuntu it should direct you to a non-technical channel
[07:30] <sky887_> Or maybe both
[07:31] <edisonbulb> i have a feeling the microsoft office web app is designed to freeze up and generally provide a horrific experience on linux
[07:31] <ducasse> sky887_: file a wishlist bug
[07:32] <edisonbulb> at least that's what it feels like trying to write papers in it
[07:32] <sky887_> ducasse i wont
[07:32] <sky887_> Too laaaazy
[07:32] <sky887_> But now it's out there
[07:33] <sky887_> Maybe in fact ubuntu-discuss
[07:35] <sky887_> Ubuntu discuss is for non-technical ties, general newbie questions - am I right?
[07:36] <ducasse> check the topic
[07:36] <sky887_> That's what the channel name implies
[07:39] <sky887_> And maybe that's what it is
[07:41] <sky887_> Anyway when I started out (weeks ago) I found it hard to learn how to operate the system. And I still do. For instance i don't use the terminal very much yet
[07:42] <edisonbulb> honestly i haven't even touched my terminal since installing
[07:42] <sky887_> I come from Windows
[07:42] <edisonbulb> doin pretty good
[07:43] <sky887_> Yeah! Me too, but there's probably more to this Linux thingy
[07:44] <edisonbulb> every time i do a clean install i like to see how long i can go without opening a terminal
[07:44] <edisonbulb> it's like a game to me lol
[07:44] <sky887_> Lol
[07:50] <sky887_> A good introduction to the terminal at startup will probably do it
[07:50] <sky887_> I know nothing about it
[07:52] <sky887_> I have just copy pasted some commands
[07:52] <edisonbulb> the most important terminal commands are "ls", "cd", and "vi"
[07:52] <edisonbulb> imo
[07:53] <edisonbulb> you can get a lot done in the terminal just knowing those three commands
[07:53] <sky887_> edisonbulb well I didn't know that up until now
[07:54] <sky887_> What are they for?
[07:54] <ducasse> 'vi' is probably not the best choice for newbies, better to point them to 'nano'
[07:54] <sky887_> I know cd
[07:54] <edisonbulb> ls just lists all the files in a directory, cd changes the working directory, and vi is a text editor. ducasse is right, nano is a better choice for newbies
[07:55] <edisonbulb> i forced myself to learn vi when i was a newb because it felt almost mystical to use
[07:55] <sky887_> nano - what for?
[07:55] <techliu> ls
[07:55] <edisonbulb> nano is an easy command line test editor
[07:56] <edisonbulb> use it instead of vi
[07:56] <edisonbulb> just type "nano", it's pretty intuitive
[07:56] <sky887_> I don't follow
[07:56] <sky887_> I'm not om my computer though
[07:57] <edisonbulb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45KO4KO2DTo <-- might help with nano usage
[07:58] <edisonbulb> a text editor modifies the contents of text files, it's basically notepad
[07:58] <edisonbulb> *the equivalent of notepad
[07:58] <sky887_> Ok
[07:59] <edisonbulb> you can forget what I said about vi, it's pretty advanced
[07:59] <edisonbulb> i guess i'm just used to it
[08:00] <edisonbulb> good luck on your Linux journey :)
[08:00] <edisonbulb> i gotta go
[08:02] <simonummer> hello
[08:02] <simonummer> anyone?
[08:02] <sky887_> Hi
[08:03] <simonummer> hi
[08:03] <simonummer> so few people here
[08:04] <sky887_> There are many
[08:04] <sky887_> Not all may be active
[08:04] <simonummer> yeah
[08:05] <simonummer> my first time using hexchat
[08:05] <conjo> so does my linux ubuntu need antivirus i know windows does and servers do but i am only desktop
[08:05] <sky887_> Why choose Linux when there's Windows?
[08:06] <conjo> windows gives me headaches endlessly
[08:06] <conjo> ubuntu pain free so far....
[08:06] <ducasse> conjo: no, it doesn't
[08:07] <sky887_> I do it for fun. Of course, it's free.
[08:07] <conjo> and pain free
[08:08] <conjo> updates dont take days my major takeaway from recent change
[08:09] <simonummer> there's many tools only under linux
[08:10] <sky887_> simonummer ok, can you be more specific?
[08:11] <sky887_> Maybe Linux is for coders?
[08:11] <simonummer> such as tensorflow
[08:11] <sky887_> But it's gaining popularity I guess
[08:12] <sky887_> More and more people have taken an interest in IT
[08:12] <simonummer> that's right
[08:13] <simonummer> but turning to linux from windows can be painful at first
[08:13] <sky887_> Yeah
[08:13] <guiverc> conjo, viruses are mostly a windoze problem.  I don't use anti-virus, but I don't transfer that many files to windoze users. antivirus software mostly protects windoze users, so you don't really need protection yourself, but any you use may protect files you xfer to windoze users ... other malware can infect, you could always run clamav now & again if you're concerned, but for yourself - my 2c is nope (note: i'm no expert on malware)
[08:13] <simonummer> you'll get used to it
[08:13] <FXpro> hey ummm, hi.  I got a question.
[08:14] <FXpro> I just installed backbox which is an interesting security type distro of ubuntu.  I got fed up with all the errors of parrot os but I do like parrot.
[08:15] <guiverc> FXpro, this channel is for Ubuntu and official flavors only - i don't know parrot or backbox, but they don't sound like ubuntu (ubuntu-mate, xubuntu etc)
[08:15] <sky887_> Thus the increase in app productions - that's an indicator of the status quo
[08:16] <FXpro> oh ummm
[08:16] <FXpro> parrot os is its own thing based on debian.
[08:16] <sky887_> General public interest in IT
[08:16] <FXpro> backbox is a security release of ubuntu.
[08:16] <Ben64> no
[08:16] <Ben64> it's not ubuntu at all
[08:16] <ducasse> FXpro: backbox is not supported here
[08:16] <FXpro> they advertised it as ubuntu based.
[08:16] <ducasse> still, not supported
[08:17] <guiverc> only Ubuntu and official flavors (xubuntu, kubuntu, lubuntu, ubuntu-mate, ubuntu-budgie ... they are pretty easy to detect!)
[08:17] <FXpro> ok so let me ask you if I where using strictly ubuntu, and I made a short cut of a program to the panel, where does it put the icon?
[08:17] <guiverc> FXpro, that depends on DE or flavor used
[08:17] <kille> sup guys
[08:18] <Ben64> FXpro: try getting support from a backbox channel or in ##linux
[08:18] <ducasse> !backbox | FXpro get support here
[08:18] <FXpro> out of all those you just listed lubuntu and xbuntu I tried.
[08:19] <FXpro> ubottu, thanks for the info but I already tried.  I can not connect to their server via client or web interface.
[08:20] <FXpro> well ducasse then  :)
[08:20] <Ben64> ##linux exists on this network and is for linux in general, this channel is only for Ubuntu
[08:20] <FXpro> ubuntu is debian based right?
[08:20] <guiverc> what is your point FXpro ?
[08:21] <FXpro> or how exactly does that work.  fork of debian=ubuntu?
[08:21] <guiverc> parts of debian are supported by ubuntu, its not a fork though some parts may be
[08:21] <FXpro> ahhh, and there is an apps store?
[08:21] <gogo> where can i get indepth knowledge about Ubuntu
[08:22] <guiverc> debian is usually described as upstream of Ubuntu (particularly debian-sid)
[08:22] <gogo> I have been using it for a while but using it just for normal uses and I don't think I have tapped into the area for which it is actually built
[08:22] <sky887_> gogo: probably a book or online resources
[08:23] <gogo> sky887_ any particular one you would suggest?
[08:24] <guiverc> gogo, maybe try https://ubuntu-manual.org/ for a manual (user level stuff), if you need more technical you can use the wiki or other resources (parts of the wiki are rather old, some parts are kept up-to-date, so check dates of last update maybe)
[08:24] <sky887_> gogo I'm new to Linux. I haven't done the research
[08:25] <guiverc> gogo, in what area do you want to learn more, what do you want to accomplish (though this dicussion would be better suited for #ubuntu-discuss)
[08:28] <gogo> guiverc: I want to learn about these permissions and groups and all the technical stuff so that I don't need to google everytime I get an error in terminal. I really want to understand the language that Ubuntu talks in. I have learned to use the terminal to  do small tasks like installing or the basic commands
[08:29] <ducasse> gogo: you really just need to read docs, and it will come with experience. learn how to use the man pages.
[08:30] <gogo> alright ducasse. I'll start reading them now
[08:31] <gogo> where can I find the Java > jdk1.8.0_74 > bin path in ubuntu? I installed it using terminal and now I need to paste a code there
[08:34] <guiverc> i agree about man pages; (man=manual); its a great reference tool, particularly for jogging memory. me I like paper books, so I buy books (2nd hand to cut costs; for terminal *nix things like groups/permissions its been the same for decades; vi i learnt in the 80s is still useful, just as grep & other unix commands learnt long ago)
[08:38] <ducasse> also, 'info'. 'info bash' will give you the full bash manual.
[08:39] <guiverc> gogo, i know 0 about java, but to find out where 'java' command is you can type `whereis java`
[08:46] <Deknos> is anyone aware of a maildir/mbox importer/exporter for the recent version of Thunderbird?
 I ma trying to run git clone from an Ubuntu subsyetm on Windows. It says that it cannot handle https protocol. Has anyone encounter that problem?
[08:50] <x4i_> Is that a git issue or Ubuntu under Windows issue?
[08:50] <ducasse> !ubuwin | x4i_
[08:56] <cap> I've installed a windows program called jpegview in wine, i want to know how am i make it the default photo viewer for ubuntu? actually it wasn't installed, u just download it and run the app.
[08:57] <cap> don't have the option to browse for the app in the context menu, it just list the programs available.
[08:58] <sky887_> I want to be invited to the windows channel
[08:59] <ducasse> sky887_: ask in #freenode, not here
[09:00] <sky887_> Any general programming channels?
[09:00] <sky887_> ducasse ok thanks!
[09:00] <sky887_> Any language
[09:01] <ducasse> #freenode is irc support, #ubuntu is not
[09:01] <ducasse> !alis | sky887_ but try this
[09:10] <sky887_> ducasse thanks! Found a good channel
[09:16] <paddy> Can't connect bluetooth xbox one controller: I thought it was supposed to work by default. When I go to connect via bluetooth it just shows the mac address and doesn't connect. I tried xboxdrv but that doesn't work either.
[09:18] <thinque> hi
[09:34] <Buanka> hey guys, cant get  my software centre to open for two weeks now, any idea how to fix it?
[09:39] <sadmo> hi u all
[09:39] <sadmo> anyone there?
[09:40] <Dbugger> I have a problem. I am trying to create PHP Docker container in my machine, but for some reason it exits immediately. I know this question should go into #docker, but it turns out that the same code is working on other machines, so this makes me suspect the problem is on the OS level. Like maybe some corrupted files somewhere or something like that. Does anyone have a clue what could be the reason for this problem?
[09:40] <kostkon> sadmo, hi
[09:40] <sadmo> hi kostkon
[09:41] <sadmo> could you give me an opinion about a problem I have?
[09:42] <kostkon> sadmo, describe your problem in detail and someone might be able to help you if not me
[09:44] <sadmo> i can't install latest ubuntu 18.04 beta. I have an NVIDIA 1070 so I have a problem with drivers. I boot from usb with nomodeset, install, reboot with nomodeset, then I install the NVIDIA drivers and then I can't boot anymore even with nomodeset
[09:45] <kostkon> sadmo, #ubuntu+1 is the channel for 18.04 since it's not out yet
[09:45] <ducasse> sadmo: 18.04 support is in #ubuntu+1 until release
[09:46] <sadmo> thank you... I'll try in that chan
[09:46] <Dbugger> wow, i never knew such a channel existed :O
[09:46] <_war10ck_> !topic
[09:46] <SimonNL> Dbugger: https://hub.docker.com/_/php/       Quick reference, Where to get help      would that help ?
[09:46] <sadmo> anyway I have the same problem with all the linux distros I try to install
[09:47] <sadmo> the only one that boots is Mint.
[09:47] <Dbugger> Thanks, Ill take a look
[09:47] <SimonNL> good luck Dbugger
[09:51] <Buanka>  cant get  my software centre to open for two weeks now, any idea how to fix it? ubuntu 16.04 , default environment
[09:51] <paddy> Can't connect bluetooth xbox one controller: I thought it was supposed to work by default. When I go to connect via bluetooth it just shows the mac address and doesn't connect. I tried xboxdrv but that doesn't work either.
[09:53] <Buanka> here's what i get with sudo gnome-software                      https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7vN3bDhkSw/
[09:54] <_war10ck_> Buanka: Kill the process "gnome-software" and then Ubuntu Software is working properly again
[09:56] <_war10ck_> Buanka: pkill gnome-software and then try opening it again
[09:56] <_war10ck_> It should work out. In case there is a service running, try restarting the service
[09:58] <Buanka> _war10ck_: tried that, same output
[10:05] <Bu4nka> _war10ck_, any thoughts?
[10:14] <_war10ck_> Bu4nka: Still trying to see if there might be any other way. I had solved the same problem earlier and it worked out
[10:16] <_war10ck_> Bu4nka: Can you try this? issue killall gnome-software
[10:16] <_war10ck_> Bu4nka: Once that is done, remove the local data from ~/.local/share/gnome-software
[10:17] <_war10ck_> Bu4nka: Then try opening Ubuntu Software center from the Unity launcher
[10:27] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:27] <prabhat> Hi
[10:27] <prabhat> Guys
[10:28] <tomreyn> _war10ck_: sudo appstreamcli refresh --force --verbose
[10:29] <tomreyn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1563155
[10:29] <tomreyn> (not the exact same symptoms but it may well help)
[10:30] <_war10ck_> Bu4nka: checkout https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1563155
[10:30] <tomreyn> oh erong person, sorry ;)
[10:31] <tomreyn> *wrong
[10:37] <moestevens> Hey I was wondering if GNOME slowing to a halt after like a day's worth of use was related to that memory bug everyone's talking about
[10:43] <Rockwood> hello everyone how are you all
[10:43] <lotuspsychje> Rockwood: welcome, how can we help you?
[10:44] <Rockwood> lotuspsychje, i am face error
[10:44] <Rockwood> facing
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> Rockwood: share the details all in one line to the channel please
[10:47] <Rockwood> lotuspsychje, i am looking for error logs
[10:48] <tomreyn> moestevens: if you are referring to a 18.04 beta, just based on the symptom, this might be related. Please discuss 18.04 in #ubuntu+1 until release.
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> Rockwood: perhaps you could share, what you facing already?
[10:48] <Rockwood> error showing on menu but i am unable to copy or screen shot it
[10:49] <Rockwood> its showing some error in temaviwer package
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> Rockwood: teamviewer is not officially supported from the ubuntu repos
[10:50] <Rockwood> its shows some like file could not be parsed or opened
[10:50] <Rockwood> lotuspsychje, i want to remove that package
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | Rockwood
[10:51] <Rockwood> lotuspsychje, any way to see proper error ? by logs
[10:52] <Rockwood> just notification is how on menu that sit
[10:52] <lotuspsychje> Rockwood: when installing or uninstalling with apt, it should show errors in terminal
[10:53] <Rockwood> its installed few time back right not
[11:04] <C0ckGobbler> Hi, is there a channel for homosexual ubuntu users ? We are quite a terribly large community
[11:04] <cfhowlett> there is no ubuntu channel based on sexual preferences or race
[11:04] <C0ckGobbler> Some even say we make up the whole but thats up to a debate
[11:04] <cfhowlett> feel free to create your own
[11:05] <confluency> 95% sure this is trolling.
[11:05] <cfhowlett> ya think?
[11:05] <confluency> I mean, there's a sliver of a doubt.
[11:06] <confluency> That username certainly seems completely serious.
[11:06] <C0ckGobbler> What does your heart tell you
[11:06] <cfhowlett> .5 %
[11:06] <cfhowlett> C0ckGobbler, this is a family friendly channel.  your nick is not.  change it, please.
[11:06] <C0ckGobbler> This is pretty serious, we need to migrate to a channel where we all feel at home
[11:07] <cfhowlett> !guidelines | C0ckGobbler applies to you and everyone else
[11:07] <confluency> Nothing is stopping you.
[11:07] <C0ckGobbler> You dont know youre homosexual yet but once the truth kicks in
[11:07] <confluency> Please amuse yourself elsewhere.
[11:07] <C0ckGobbler> We will be at #ubuntu-homo
[11:07] <cfhowlett> aaaaaaaaaaaaaand you are now a proud member of my /ignore.
[11:07] <C0ckGobbler> Where all of us belong
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> C0ckGobbler: stop it please
[11:08] <C0ckGobbler> The truth is out
[11:08] <confluency> !ops | C0ckGobbler
[11:08] <C0ckGobbler> Freedom for homosexual linux users
[11:08] <C0ckGobbler> Where they wont be oppressed anymore
[11:09] <akskos> C0ckGobbler sounds like a homophobic troll
[11:09] <C0ckGobbler> You are the majority
[11:09] <C0ckGobbler> No i m not
[11:09] <C0ckGobbler> You are the 95%
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> C0ckGobbler: this is the ubuntu support channe, no place for this discussion
[11:10] <C0ckGobbler> Homosexual linux users need support and a community
[11:10] <cfhowlett> ban requested !ops
[11:10] <C0ckGobbler> Where they will feel at home
[11:10] <C0ckGobbler> You are the world, you are the future
[11:11] <BluesKaj> your sexual preference has nothing to do with ubuntu support ...get it?
[11:12] <C0ckGobbler> Ubuntu supports its majority user base that is the homosexual linux users
[11:12] <BluesKaj> idiot!
[11:12] <C0ckGobbler> It has everything to do with it
[11:13] <BluesKaj> can someone get rid of this troll please?
[11:13] <cfhowlett> !ops please ^^^
[11:13] <cfhowlett> !ops | please ^^^
[11:14] <confluency> Hopefully the ops will notice; until then, stop talking to them. It will make it easier to ignore them.
[11:33] <Bu4nka_> hey guys, how come one of my internal disks says i'm not the owner even though i formatted it on this session? ubuntu 16.04
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> Bu4nka_: are you logged in as admin of your system? how did you format?
[11:37] <Bu4nka_> lotuspsychje, Logged in as admin, formatted in ext2 with Disks
[11:37] <cfhowlett> ext2?  but why?
[11:38] <banyantree> Hi Guys
[11:39] <banyantree> i'd like to buy a new computer is there a hardware compatibility list in the internet?
[11:40] <Bu4nka_> cfhowlett, is that a good format? i was actually about to change it to ext2 encrypted
[11:40] <banyantree> and what is working better under linux nvidia or amd/ati
[11:40] <cfhowlett> !hcl | banyantree
[11:40] <banyantree> cfhowlett: hcl?
[11:40] <cfhowlett> Bu4nka_, supported, yes.  deprecated, old, unwise, also yes
[11:40] <chu> There is also this: https://certification.ubuntu.com/
[11:41] <Bu4nka_> cfhowlett, what would u suggest ?
[11:41] <lotuspsychje> Bu4nka_: try gparted, ext4
[11:41] <cfhowlett> banyantree, did you read the link?  Hardware Compatibility List.  also see above
[11:41] <cfhowlett> ext4 is the current formated, Bu4nka_
[11:41] <banyantree> cfhowlett: well thx
[11:41] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[11:41] <Bu4nka_> and then for encryption?
[11:42] <cfhowlett> banyantree, FYI, Dell, system76 sell linux with ubuntu OEM
[11:42] <banyantree> cfhowlett: I build my own systems
[11:43] <cfhowlett> Bu4nka_, yes, you can encrypt ext4
[11:43] <cfhowlett> banyantree, ah!  sorry, I misunderstood.
[11:45] <Bu4nka>  /msg NickServ identify
[11:52] <laptop> help, I need to know if there is a better driver than the mesa driver for ubuntu for an intel gma 4500 mhd, has anyone encountered similar problems using the mesa driver, it seems faster on windows
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> laptop: check ubuntu-drivers list from a terminal please
[11:53] <brainwash> laptop: it's the only one you can use
[11:55] <Bu4nka> ok formatted to etx4 with gparte . still says i am not the owner..
[11:55] <laptop> any alternatives
[11:55] <laptop> for example can I download the windows driver using wine
[11:55] <brainwash> obviously not
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> Bu4nka: is this the full harddrive or a partition part?
[11:55] <Bu4nka> lotuspsychje, full hd
[11:55] <brainwash> laptop: well, you can download it, but not used it
[11:55] <brainwash> not use
[11:56] <laptop> anyone have any experience with this driver or particular
[11:56] <laptop> intel gma 4500 mhd and noticed a difference between windows and ubuntu
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> Bu4nka: its not physically write protected or so? how is it attached on your pc?
[11:56] <brainwash> laptop: how do you even test?
[11:56] <Bu4nka> lotuspsychje, Sata
[11:57] <laptop> I loaded up windows vista and compared the same game
[11:57] <laptop> on the computer
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> !chmod | Bu4nka trh this?
[11:57] <laptop> and it was 25% faster
[11:57] <brainwash> and?
[11:57] <laptop> and did not stutter but windows vista has no support
[11:57] <brainwash> you cannot expect getting the exact same performance
[11:57] <laptop> yes but it is markedly slower
[11:58] <btp> you can expect better than vista though
[11:58] <laptop> i love ubuntu
[11:58] <Bu4nka> !chmod
[11:58] <laptop> my real question is how much is the driver really supported
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> laptop: slower graphics chipset, try lighter Os xubuntu/lubuntu?
[11:58] <brainwash> your gpu never had the best linux support
[11:58] <brainwash> ideally, you want a newer intel gpu
[11:59] <laptop> I am on lubuntu, finally I want to ask is there is an intel
[11:59] <laptop> driver chipset that will work for ubuntu vs the mesa driver
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> laptop: ubuntu chooses best layout for you
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> laptop: as told before above, ubuntu-drivers list to check
[12:00] <laptop> how do I run the terminal command
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> laptop: open a terminal and type: ubuntu-drivers list
[12:02] <lotuspsychje> laptop: to see current driver: sudo lshw -C video
[12:03] <laptop>   *-display:0
[12:03] <laptop>        description: VGA compatible controller
[12:03] <laptop>        product: Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller
[12:03] <laptop>        vendor: Intel Corporation
[12:03] <laptop>        physical id: 2
[12:03] <laptop>        bus info: pci@0000:00:02.0
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> laptop: at bottom driver=
[12:04] <laptop> is there  a better drive configuration: driver=i915 latency=0
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> laptop: looks properly loaded driver, and if your on lubuntu think its best layout for your system
[12:05] <laptop> https://www.techzim.co.zw/2017/06/tuning-intel-graphics-card-ubuntu-16-04/
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> laptop: tuning is possible yes, tweak your whole system
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> laptop: fix intel tearing, install preload,disabled unwanted services startup, clean harddisk
[12:08] <laptop> how
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> laptop: tell us first whats happening exactly with your graphics? what are you trying that does not work well?
[12:09] <laptop> playing games it will slow down in the middle
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> laptop: wich game?
[12:10] <laptop> lotro
[12:10] <lotuspsychje> laptop: lord of the rings?
[12:11] <laptop> yes
[12:11] <cfhowlett> what year is your lappy, laptop?
[12:11] <laptop> 2009
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> laptop: not a game for your chipset mate..
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> laptop: reccomended: Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460. | AMD Radeon HD 5850
[12:12] <cfhowlett> old machine, then.  you might already have squeezed the best you're going to get out of that
[12:12] <laptop> it worked before on windows other people playing it says it work with similar
[12:12] <laptop> setup, also it works well for the first 5 mins
[12:12] <laptop> and then stutters and comes back to life after like 10 min
[12:12] <laptop> the game is old from 2008
[12:13] <lotuspsychje> laptop: shadow of mordor right?
[12:14] <laptop> yes
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> laptop: def. not reccomended on that graphics
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> laptop: go for suggestion of brainwash new graphics card
[12:15] <laptop> how
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> laptop: with money?
[12:16] <laptop> ok
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> laptop: or play more softwer games on lubuntu? you like tuxracer?
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> *softer
[12:18] <sky887_> I'd like to download an iso of the 18.04 LTS release.  Where do I get it?
[12:19] <cfhowlett> it's not yet released sky887_
[12:19] <cfhowlett> !bionic | sky887_
[12:20] <sky887_> cfhowlett i can download the beta
[12:21] <cfhowlett> https://betanews.com/2018/03/09/ubuntu-linux-bionic-beaver-beta/
[12:22] <cfhowlett> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[12:22] <root____> z
[12:30] <cfhowlett> laptop, does your system experience problems ONLY with LOTR?
[12:30] <laptop> yes
[12:32] <cfhowlett> sounds like the demands of that game are straining your capabilities.  try lowering the game settings, e.g. lower quality display, etc.
[12:47] <vlt> Hello. I installed openbox and chose it sucessfully in the Ubuntu login menu. After 10 minutes the screen switches off and I have to press a key to switch it back on. How can I disable that?
[13:02] <fox1> qualcuno da roma
[13:02] <fox1> ?
[13:03] <cfhowlett> !es | fox1
[13:05] <vlt> :D
[13:06] <makiato> i have Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS and  when i start my laptop i get "The system is running in low-graphics mode" error i try to fix by renstalling ubuntu-desktop but  still the same problem, it works temporary by restarting lightdm but it is not permanent solution  the problem continues  after restarting another time any solution
[13:40] <mpo> Hello there, ladies and gentlemen. I have an inquiry that you may possibly help me with. I'm using empathy for this XMPP thingy. The chatting works, I can send quick one, two or five liners. Having the input line at the bottom is a horrible design, even though it probably works for people who have not more to say than "Hello" and "How are you?". I usually like to send messages with hundreds or thousands of words. And if I'm not completely mistaken, I
[13:40] <mpo> think, I once managed to open an external message compositer, just like the ones email clients provide. However, I cannot find out how to open this message editor, and I have absolutely no idea how I did open this useful tool last week. Could anyone of you confirm that I did not hallucinate and that there is such an editor for empathy? If so, please do tell how I may open this thing. Empathy as it is should generally discard this one-line chat-input
[13:40] <mpo> craziness, and provide a proper text input window to the left or to the right of the chat window. Thanks in advance, folks!
[13:44] <ale> hello
[13:45] <ale> Need some help with partition in usb stick
[13:45] <ale> Disk /dev/sdb: 14.9 GiB, 16025387008 bytes, 31299584 sectors
[13:45] <ale> but the disk have partition bigger than that
[13:45] <ale> I think the .img that I burned was cloned from bigger stick or something
[13:46] <mpo> ale, how much bigger should it be?
[13:46] <ale> dev/sdb3       14690304 234441647 219751344 104.8G 83 Linux
[13:46] <transhuman> well this statement requires a little "knock on wood" before being found affective but I think I just recovered a system that ran out of hard drive space (after expanding virtual drive) by issuing an init 2 & sudo apt-get install --reinstall $(dpkg  -get-selections | grep -w 'install$' | cut -f1) might be helpful for someone else in same situation , recommend a backup or san snapshot  before running it though --even better
[13:46] <transhuman> both
[13:46] <ale> I want to clone the stick but I don't know how to exclude sdb3
[13:47] <ale> the other 2 partitions are ok
[13:48] <transhuman> sorry init 2 && sudo apt ...
[13:49] <ale> any ideas mpo ?
[14:09] <sky887> i have the development version of ubuntu 18.04 installed
[14:09] <sky887> i love it :)
[14:17] <miguel2013> can anybody tell me what app should I use for a usb video capture card s-video and such  on ubuntu server is it possible without a gui
[14:18] <arm1e> Does anyone know how to theme firefox properly when using a dark gtk theme?
[14:21] <pragmaticenigma> arm1e, Firefox comes with the built in ability to apply themes. Click on the three line menu (on the top-right side of the window) and click customize
[14:22] <pragmaticenigma> miguel2013, most video applications require gui because their intention is for you to view or edit the content which requires a visual component.
[14:22] <miguel2013> pragmaticenigma but
[14:22] <miguel2013> pragmaticenigma I know dv doesn't need
[14:22] <pragmaticenigma> !enter | miguel2013
[14:22] <miguel2013> pragmaticenigma I just wanna copy and fork it to ffmpeg and apply mp4 codec to it
[14:24] <miguel2013> lol thanks
[14:24] <pragmaticenigma> miguel2013, I'm not aware of any such application/program
[14:25] <miguel2013> how about on ubuntu studio
[14:26] <pragmaticenigma> miguel2013, Ubuntu studio is just a spin of Ubuntu that highlights Audio Video applications. All of the programs and applications available in Ubuntu Studio are available to all flavors of Ubuntu
[14:28] <miguel2013> I guess I need to know if ubuntu supports my hardware is an old pinacle usb capture card
[14:29] <pragmaticenigma> miguel2013, you might cvlc (vlc for command line) might work once you can verify your capture device works. See /join #videolan for more dedicated help on VLC
[14:29] <pragmaticenigma> *you might want to check out clvc
[14:29] <pragmaticenigma> ugh
[14:29] <pragmaticenigma> *you might want to check out cvlc
[14:30] <miguel2013> I udnerstood
[14:36] <fcanela> hello
[14:37] <fcanela> I am curious about where I can see the actual discusions and problems that are being worked before releasing 18.04
[14:37] <fcanela> i though about release maillist but nothing interesting there
[14:38] <transhuman> I have a slight problem with my magic fix when I either do apt-get install --reinstall apt or do a dpkg -i <apt-package> it hangs indefinitely
[14:39] <transhuman> till I break the process
[14:41] <omi> Hello. Does anyone know why my keyboard layout is different in grub than in the OS?
[14:41] <omi> I can not for the love of me make an '=' in grub
[14:50] <realies> how does one run novnc from the rpo?
[14:50] <realies> repo*
[14:50] <realies> https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/all/novnc/filelist
[14:50] <realies> does not seem to be the whole package
[14:54] <lapaga> realies, thats just a list of whats in the iso
[14:55] <realies> iso?
[14:56] <realies> lel
[14:57] <pragmaticenigma> fcanela, see #ubuntu+1
[15:00] <pragmaticenigma> realies, novnc is a web based application. The package in the repo is meant to install along side an existing webserver installation.
[15:00] <realies> not really
[15:00] <realies> echo "/usr/bin/websockify --web /usr/share/novnc 6080 localhost:5900" > /usr/bin/novnc
[15:01] <tinch0> Hello, I have a question about installing Ubuntu Budgie 18.04 beta 2 on my laptop.
[15:01] <transhuman> anyone know what would cause the apt package to hang during reinstall?
[15:01] <realies> it's usually ran with https://github.com/novnc/noVNC/blob/master/utils/launch.sh pragmaticenigma
[15:01] <realies> it depends on websockify, so go figure ;)
[15:03] <pragmaticenigma> realies, that might be how you run it when you download it from the project site. Ubuntu has implemented it differently
[15:03] <realies> no, it hasn't, the package still depends on websockify and is meant to be used with it
[15:03] <tinch0> I've disabled secure boot in bios and fast boot in windows options. Both things you're meant to do.   On my old machine in the built in installer it would just auto-partition your HDD for you, but on this one it doesn't appear.   I'm wondering whether it's connected to ubuntu not being able to read my windows SSD and access the files.   The GUI installer comes up, but the one click "install next to windows" wizard check box does not 
[15:03] <realies> https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/novnc
[15:03] <tinch0> If anyone could help with this I'd be very grateful!
[15:03] <gareppa> has someone running 16.04 suddenly run in  “The system is running in low-graphics mode”  error this week? i'm just using the default installation, and running periodic updates. did any update break anything?
[15:04] <gareppa> btw, i can login normally after the error
[15:05] <pragmaticenigma> realies, If you want to argue, please go to #ubuntu-offtopic ... I'm trying to tell you, that the package provided by Ubuntu is implemented differently.
[15:05] <ducasse> tinch0: 18.04 support is in #ubuntu+1
[15:06] <tinch0> okay, thanks!
[15:06] <realies> pragmaticenigma, if the package provided by ubuntu is implemented differently, why does it depend on websockify?
[15:08] <pragmaticenigma> realies, because web_socket.js needs a server to point at, which for it to comply with SOP, means the server hosting novnc must also host websockify instance to work.
[15:10] <realies> and that's why you have the utilities script
[15:12] <pragmaticenigma> realies, in order to reduce redundant code, Ubuntu developers determined that they could either include the utils component or they could implement websockify, they chose the later since it can be used for other tools that leverage websockify. The components in utils are designed for a stand alone installation.
[15:15] <realies> the utils 'component' depends on websockify, not sure what you mean with 'either include the utils component or they could implement websockify'
[15:15] <pragmaticenigma> realies, on my server, if I were to install novnc. I would expect to find a simlink to /usr/share/novnc/vnc.html in my /var/www/html folder or I would find a virtual host definition in my /etc/apache2 configs. that completes the web server requirement. Apt installs websockify which completes the web proxy socket service requirement for novnc.
[15:16] <pragmaticenigma> realies, what you see on the novnc project site assumes you don't have all those pieces in place.
[15:17] <realies> you don't have them in ubuntu either, what you're saying makes no sense
[15:17] <transhuman> as an alternate is there a way to disable a reinstall of a particular package in the command sudo apt-get install --reinstall $(dpkg  -get-selections | grep -w 'install$' | cut -f1) skip a particular package which in this case is apt.1.12...
[15:17] <pragmaticenigma> realies, To save on storage, Ubuntu doesn't supply the entire novnc package, because it doesn't need to. They configured it to work with other components
[15:18] <realies> not sure what the postscript for the package is, but i don't have a simlink for vnc.html anywhere
[15:18] <transhuman> so the apt-get install --reinstall force it to ignore a package
[15:20] <transhuman> guess I could do it on the other end of the command with a if function in the bash if then skip type thing
[15:20] <realies> the file that is missing is 1.8K when zipped, I guess thanks ubuntu for saving muh space
[15:21] <pragmaticenigma> realies, Ubuntu package already has a package for websockify. Ubuntu devs use that instead of the one provided in utils. Since they use the websockify package, they have no reason to include utils.
[15:23] <sky887_> I know this isn't the appropriate channel but why the double # on some channels
[15:23] <realies> i'm not sure if you're taking the piss or you're serious
[15:23] <sky887_> ?
[15:23] <transhuman> never mind I will break it into to pieces and use an xarg on it after removing the apt_1.12 package
[15:25] <pragmaticenigma> realies, I'm serious... the whole point of package management is to reduce the amount of redundant code and software.
[15:25] <pragmaticenigma> realies, more than novnc uses websockify
[15:26] <realies> that's what i've said
[15:26] <pragmaticenigma> realies, there are tools that enable SSH through the webbrowser, that uses websockify. For an example. So if I installed novnc and webssh, you're expecting that you'd see the utils/websockify in both installations. I'm telling you instead they will not, and instead share a single installation of websockify that is installed separately
[15:26] <realies> if you've taken a look at the launch.sh script, it does run the components as a standalone novnc service, other distributions provide this as an executable novnc_server
[15:27] <pragmaticenigma> realies, and Ubuntu has websockify as it's own independent package. They are using that instead.
[15:27] <realies> all distributions use the websockify package as a dependancy
[15:28] <realies> ubuntu is missing the script that starts the service as stand-alone, which is the main use-case for novnc
[15:30] <realies> it seems the ubuntu developers have missed the point
[15:30] <pragmaticenigma> realies, If I could find documentation on this, I would have posted it long ago. Every site I've visited suggests download the git, and running it via the method you have suggested. Why don't you do that and drop it
[15:31] <realies> and the git page suggests what? why would the ubuntu developers ignore the main usecase for a piece of software?
[15:32] <SlidingHorn> realies: if the package is missing a critical script, then file a bug report.  This is beyond the scope of this channel.  Please drop it.
[15:33] <realies> SlidingHorn, trying to establish the meaning of 'critical'
[15:33] <realies> pragmaticenigma says it's not a requirement, i see it otherwise, can't we discuss?
[15:33] <pragmaticenigma> no
[15:33] <realies> why not?
[15:33] <SlidingHorn> realies: well, considering you've been arguing about it for quite a while, I'd say you believe it is...in which case, file a bug report.  Regardless, this is not the place to discuss it
[15:34] <realies> but this is the official ubuntu support channel
[15:34] <pragmaticenigma> realies, keyword there was support... not discuss
[15:35] <SlidingHorn> realies: we are not developers here. They won't be reviewing the logs, and therefore, the conversation at hand is not going to make a difference.  If you *would* like a difference to be made, then file a bug report.
[15:36] <SlidingHorn> otherwise, you're arguing for the sake of argument, and you're off topic.
[15:36] <BluesKaj> realies, think your question has a better chance of an answer in #ubuntu-devel
[15:37] <realies> SlidingHorn, before committing to 'making a difference' I would very much like to see the community's response on the 'issue'
[15:38] <SlidingHorn> realies: regardless, this isn't the place for that.
[15:38] <realies> sorry for discussing in your official channel guys, i'll make sure i only complaint about broken stuff in the future without discussing
[15:38] <BluesKaj> realies, frankly I don'think the community gives a damn
[15:39] <jmgb4> So is there an easy way to upgrade the kernel from 4.13? Coffee lake isnt really known until 4.3 I think and theres a couple of flags I think I need for kvm
[15:41] <pragmaticenigma> where are service startup scripts stored in 16.04
[15:44] <gareppa> some packages are set as autoremovable in synaptic (junit, valgrind). how do i set them as non autoremovable?
[15:45] <pragmaticenigma> gareppa, what do you mean autoremovable?
[15:46] <gareppa> synaptic flags them as safe to remove. i had installed them with the old eclipse. but i do actually use them after having removed eclipse.
[15:51] <pragmaticenigma> gareppa, I think you can use the apt-mark tool to change it's status to manual. By marking the package manual, you tell apt that you installed it and it wasn't installed as a dependency of another package Check "man apt-mark"
[15:53] <gareppa> i just found out it depends on the distro, no biggie, thanks
[15:53] <pragmaticenigma> gareppa, what do you mean?
[15:56] <gareppa> pragmaticenigma, something like this https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=228053
[15:59] <gde33> I tried to create a local network share, rebooted then it cant create tmp file
[15:59] <pragmaticenigma> gareppa, my suggestion still applies. synaptic is just a gui for aptitude. apt is the command line interface. if you mark the package manual with apt-mark, it will remove the autoremove status from the package
[15:59] <pragmaticenigma> gareppa, my suggestion still applies. synaptic is just a gui for aptitude. apt is the command line interface. if you mark the package manual with apt-mark, it will remove the autoremove status from the package
[16:02] <transhuman> apt-mark hold / apt-mark unhold seems to do the trick of preventing a package from being upgraded
[16:04] <pragmaticenigma> transhuman, they were trying to prevent auto uninstall though. They might still want the package to update
[16:10] <transhuman> pragmaticenigma, I was doing the following FYI
[16:10] <transhuman> well this statement requires a little "knock on wood" before being found affective but I think I just recovered a system that ran out of hard drive space (after expanding virtual drive) by issuing an init 2 & sudo apt-get install --reinstall $(dpkg  -get-selections | grep -w 'install$' | cut -f1) might be helpful for someone else in same situation , recommend a backup or san snapshot  before running it though --even better
[16:10] <transhuman> ran into a problem with it pragmaticenigma when it got to the apt package it just hangs , no amount of debugging seems to tell me why so its easier to force it to skip reinstalling that package
[16:11] <pragmaticenigma> transhuman, I have no idea what you are saying or attempting to do
[16:11] <transhuman> I am recovering a broken system (ran out of space ) reinstalling all packages
[16:11] <tfgbd_> When Windows runs out of space, it doesn't break.
[16:12] <pragmaticenigma> not to play grammer cop... but affective should be effective. and a lack of punctuation makes that incredibly hard to read
[16:12] <pragmaticenigma> !windows
[16:12] <tfgbd_> Sorry, just sayin
[16:13] <pragmaticenigma> tfgbd_, personal experience stories may not apply to everyone's experience. Different system configurations can play a big role in how a computer behaves when certain conditions arise.
[16:13] <transhuman> thanks for the grammar lesso n pragmaticenigma , but in my case this is a hopeless task, my brain doesn't work so well in that area ...must have been hit on the head as a child :-)
[16:13] <nlsthzn> One cannot break that which is already broken...
[16:15] <pragmaticenigma> transhuman, I think the system has bigger issues and I would spend my time backing up critical files and reinstall. I think something bigger is wrong with that installtion
[16:15] <transhuman> on that note though, pragmaticenigma, I always thought a built in grammar checker for Hexchat would be a good thing!
[16:17] <transhuman> could be but It has a lot of crap in it and I don't want to do that if I dont have to (I have a backup ) but Its a challenge to see if I can fix it ,I am thinking it has some kind of process lock or permissions problem maybe because it wont start the login service
[16:20] <transhuman> pragmaticenigma, my magic command seems to work if I skip that one package ( probably has something to do with the fact that apt cant use apt to install itself)
[16:20] <gogeta> Transfusion, did anyone suggest apt-get -f install it can recover from a broken package
[16:21] <transhuman> gogeta, tried that
[16:21] <pragmaticenigma> transhuman, apt can install itself, but I think with the way that command is being executed it's has an issue.
[16:22] <transhuman> ok good to know
[16:22] <transhuman> something like it cant link the process or to the command or something perhaps pragmaticenigma ?
[16:23] <gogeta> transhuman, are you missing a repo or something
[16:23] <gogeta> transhuman, that can make apt-get freak out
[16:24] <pragmaticenigma> transhuman, I'll put it this way. I like to think of aptitude as a self cleaning oven. It's able to manage a lot of things on it's own. If it's not able to use it's built in tool kit to fix things, it's better to cut losses early and start fresh
[16:25] <pragmaticenigma> transhuman, that magical incantation might fix some of it. But it could also be masquerading other issues with all the pipes
[16:26] <realies> https://dpaste.de/sS7A/raw
[16:26] <realies> how to fix
[16:27] <transhuman> thanks pragmaticenigma
[16:27] <gde33> I get it now... local network share initially doesn't work but helpfully installs something that uhh after reboot also doesn't work. Then one sets a password using cli. Manually install system-config-samba which also doesn't work. and then one attempts to create an empty libuser.conf using the cli as nautilus wont allow such things. 2 days later you get to access a folder.
[16:27] <realies> libqt5-default is installed
[16:27] <gde33> bah
[16:28] <gogeta> gde33, the app may be relying on a old version
[16:28] <gogeta> gde33, or even a newer version
[16:29] <gogeta> gde33, check what version you have
[16:29] <oerheks> realies, maybe this works for youtoo: The easiest way to fix this is installing the QT developer package: sudo apt-get install qt5-default
[16:29] <gde33> gogeta: it works now, just wanted to vent some frustration.
[16:29] <oerheks> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/36128645/error-on-execution-version-qt-5-not-found-required-by
[16:29] <gde33> gogeta: so many web pages that seem to all offer different approaches :/
[16:29] <realies> oerheks, 17:27 <realies> libqt5-default is installed
[16:30] <realies> i meant qt5-default by libqt5-default
[16:30] <oerheks> realies, oh oke
[16:37] <dieg> How can I reinstall the software center in ubuntu 18.04? It is always stuck when installing new software, I think reinstalling will fix it.
[16:40] <oerheks> dieg, sudo apt install --reinstall gnome-software # but seek support in #ubuntu+1 until release
[16:40] <mojtaba> Hello, I have defined a systemd service and I have enabled it using systemd enable serviceName; but when I restart the computer it does not run again, and I have to run systemd start serviceName. Does anybody know what is going on and what should I do?
[16:41] <transhuman> pragmaticenigma  found the root of my problem
[16:41] <pikapika> Hi
[16:41] <pikapika> I have some questions about upgrading
[16:41] <pragmaticenigma> what'd that be transhuman
[16:41] <transhuman> any idea how to solve failed to start create volatile files and directories?
[16:42] <oerheks> i would check remove ~/.local/share/gnome-software too, to lose the cache
[16:42] <pragmaticenigma> !ask | pikapika
[16:42] <dieg> oerheks Thanks, so it's called gnome-software now instead of software-center, I couldn't find that online, thank you.
[16:43] <oerheks> dieg, see the 2nd line too, clearing that might fix it without reinstall
[16:43] <dieg> oerheks, which second line sorry ?
[16:44] <pragmaticenigma> transhuman, that might be an indicator you're still low on drive space
[16:45] <pikapika> As in upgrading entire OS version. 1. Will upgrading reinstall "default" apps. The route I went was: started with the default Ubuntu, found the gui unsuitable for me, so I installed xfce and removed everything gnome. I have removed some other defaults too. 2. Does it preserve the settings in etc and home folder? If not does it just touch the files relevant for update, or does it delete etc and ~/.xyz folders and rewrite them? Since this might cause
[16:45] <pikapika> problems with 3rd party apps. 3. What happens to apps I installed via other means such as compiling or unzipping to a folder and adding to path?
[16:45] <dieg> Oh right, removing cache
[16:45] <dieg> will do!
[16:45] <oerheks> dieg, >> i would check remove ~/.local/share/gnome-software too, to lose the cache
[16:45] <dieg> Will try that, thanks
[16:46] <pragmaticenigma> pikapika, how are you doing this "upgrade"
[16:46] <pikapika> Lets say via the apt
[16:48] <pragmaticenigma> pikapika, an upgrade through apt will only upgrade applications that have newer versions in the new version of Ubuntu. If an application hasn't had any updates since the previous release, it will remain as is.
[16:48] <pixdamix> can you change where a program pulls its config files from with like a symlink or something if the program does not have that option?
[16:48] <pikapika> pragmaticenigma, no I mean full distro upgrade. As in like 16.04 to 17.xxx
[16:48] <pragmaticenigma> pikapika, that's what I'm referring to
[16:49] <pikapika> Oh, so its not much different from normal software upgrade via apt
[16:49] <pikapika> ?
[16:49] <miguel2018> how do I run ifup or down when the command says my nic name is not valid but it is. I haven't try changing the name of the nic
[16:49] <miguel2018> it looks like a bug to me
[16:50] <miguel2018> the name of my nick is enp2s0
[16:50] <miguel2018> its fastethernet
[16:50] <pragmaticenigma> pikapika, yes, that is how the upgrade is performed.. there are differences though
[16:52] <pikapika> Where can I read fully about this process and where is it announced about potential problems and modifications one might have to do after a dist upgrade?
[16:52] <miguel2018> ifup tells me unknown interface how to solve the bug
[16:53] <pragmaticenigma> pikapika, generally during the upgrade process you will be informed of potential breakages before applying the changes. to the best of the ability of the upgrade tool. there isn't a single source for potential problems.
[16:54] <pragmaticenigma> miguel2018, can you pastebin the command plus it's output to pastebin.ubuntu.com?
[16:54] <ducasse> pikapika: common issues will be mentioned in the release notes
[16:55] <ducasse> miguel2018: also pastebin /etc/network/interfaces, please
[16:55] <pikapika> Just to make sure again pragmaticenigma, are you referring the type of upgrade that changes the OS version and not the normal 'apt update' that updates everything from sources.list but keeps os version constant?
[16:56] <pragmaticenigma> pikapika, yes
[16:56] <pikapika> *'apt upgrade'
[16:56] <pikapika> Ok, thanks for the help then
[16:57] <pixdamix> can you change where a program pulls its config files from with like a symlink or something if the program does not have that option?
[16:59] <pragmaticenigma> !details | pixdamix, what are you trying to do? what application? :
[16:59] <quartie> Hello everyone! This is my first time connecting to this channel (new to irssi)
[17:00] <pixdamix> i just said you want me to cut and past again or you want to learn to read and come back?
[17:00] <oerheks> pixdamix, symlink it perhaps? ln -s /path/to/file /path/to/symlink
[17:00] <pixdamix> what else you want to know?
[17:01] <ducasse> pixdamix: drop that attitude if you want help here, please
[17:01] <pixdamix> i tried that but it did not transfer over to the new location
[17:01] <pixdamix> im saying if you can't read what you want me to do
[17:01] <SlidingHorn> pixdamix: hence why we would like more information...what application are you trying to change, and why?
[17:01] <SlidingHorn> it matters.
[17:02] <Brali> Hello! I attempted to do an dual-boot installation. I have W10 on one SSD drive and I then installed ubuntu on another, physical, SSD drive. After the installation I cannot get to windows, not even by overriding boot priority from BIOS. Any ideas?
[17:02] <pixdamix> SlidingHorn: doesnt matter because i want to do it on more than one..why still does not matter but since you want to be nosey i have a more private folder i would rather have the files in.
[17:02] <BluesKaj> whoa, do you expect help with that attitude ? Well, good luck to you pixdamix
[17:02] <pixdamix> any other un-useful questions people want to ask?
[17:03] <SlidingHorn> pixdamix: if you're unwilling to provide relevant information, then good luck.
[17:03] <ducasse> *plonk*
[17:03] <pixdamix> thats not revelant and I answere both of them lmao
[17:03] <pragmaticenigma> yep... we're done pixdamix ... help is a two way street
[17:04] <Brali> Since pix left, maybe someone could help me? I would be very happy if anyone could help me solve my problem
[17:05] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | Brali
[17:05] <gogeta> Brali, just got back dunno whats wrong
[17:05] <SlidingHorn> Brali: does the GRUB menu not show your Windows installation?  What exactly happens when you select it?
[17:06] <nbags_> im back disconnection..the questions you are asking does not help in answsering it..you just trying to be nosey
[17:06] <nbags_> if you don't know something dont ask a bunch of questions cause clearly you dont know
[17:06] <BluesKaj> Brali,, run sudo os-prober then sudo update-grub
[17:06] <nbags_> SlidingHorn:
[17:07] <nbags_> I even answered SlidingHorn's stupid questions what kind of shit room is this
[17:07] <pragmaticenigma> !ohmy | nbags_
[17:07] <nbags_> dumb niggas
[17:07] <BluesKaj> it must be the weekend , the jerks are out in force today ;-)
[17:07] <SlidingHorn> !ops | nbags_
[17:08] <pragmaticenigma> !ops | nbags_
[17:08] <nbags_> nigass bitches
[17:08] <nbags_> niggas be dumb
[17:10] <Brali> SlidingHorn: BluesKaj: After installing going sudo apt-get boot-repair and rebooting the system windows showed up in the grub menu, for whatever reason.. Thank you for your responses :)
[17:11] <SlidingHorn> Brali: glad it worked out for you :)
[17:13] <banyantree> Hi Guys, i'm to stupid to activate powerline
[17:13] <banyantree> can somebody help me with that?
[17:13] <pragmaticenigma> !details | banyantree
[17:15] <banyantree> i just installed powerline via aptitude - but it seems to be configured. i'm using urxvt. I think hardware information is not required, is it?
[17:16] <banyantree> *need to be configured
[17:17] <oerheks> banyantree, yes, easy to find > https://askubuntu.com/questions/283908/how-can-i-install-and-use-powerline-plugin --- https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/installing-powerline-as-quickly-as-possible/5381
[17:17] <oerheks>  edit your .bashrc etc etc
[17:18] <banyantree> thx i'll do the tutorial now
[17:18] <ducasse> banyantree: http://powerline.readthedocs.io/en/master/usage/shell-prompts.html
[17:19] <MikeRL> I wonder if those GNOME shell memory leaks will be fixed in time for 18.04. They look nasty.
[17:19] <MikeRL> I cannot believe they would allow memory leaks like that in GNOME for years and not do anything.
[17:19] <pragmaticenigma> MikeRL, please hold discussion in #ubuntu-offtopic, #ubuntu-discuss, or #ubuntu+1
[17:20] <miguel2018> pragmaticenigma: ducasse got the pastebin http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/jDqD7YGNCm
[17:20] <miguel2018> :))
[17:20] <oerheks> MikeRL, yes they are patched.
[17:21] <miguel2018> my outout of ifdown is just unknown interace enp2s0
[17:22] <ducasse> miguel2018: check that file, it has enp6s0 and em[6s0 - correct those
[17:32] <MikeRL> Oh yeah I forgot. I'll head over to the appropriate channel.
[17:34] <miguel2018> ducasse: ignore that I manualy typed it on the right laptop it names it coreclty
[17:35] <miguel2018> ducasse: everything else is coorrect
[17:35] <ducasse> miguel2018: so it has enp2s0, not enp6s0?
[17:37] <superkuh> Anyone know how to contact the Canonical people about a problem with archive.canonical.com? I've tried github (https://github.com/canonical-websites/www.canonical.com/issues/261) but they haven't responded in 2 weeks.
[17:37] <superkuh> I do not use twitter/facebook/google+.
[17:37] <superkuh> I cannot seem to find an email address anywhere. And I've spent at least 30 minutes searching.
[17:38] <miguel2018> ducasse: I think I found why is the name wrong
[17:38] <miguel2018> it's enp2s0
[17:39] <ducasse> miguel2018: yes, that's what i was asking
[17:44] <superkuh> Guess I'll try webmaster@ubuntu.com again. And if that fails I'll actually call them on monday.
[17:48] <jmgb4> Anybody running qemu in uefi? I cant seem to get the vm to boot into anything but the uefi interactive shell
[17:49] <oerheks> superkuh, i find 91.189.88.15 404 indeed, but ip checker gives 91.189.88.17 for the valid lucid oldreleases repo
[17:50] <superkuh> oldreleases works fine.
[17:50] <superkuh> And indeed archive.canonical.com would work fine too if my computer hadn't cached the bad address from the load balancer for the domain.
[17:50] <oerheks> you might post this to add it to the load balancing question
[17:50] <superkuh> It's in there already.
[17:51] <superkuh> HIT means those work.
[17:51] <superkuh> It was context showing it's not a problem with my computer or apt.
[17:51] <superkuh> But instead a problem with archive.canonical.com
[18:00] <docmur> I had a LVM Group (vides), that was across three disks.  One of the disks died, how do I, or is it possible, to get the data from that logical volume that's on the other two disks?
[18:03] <miguel2018> ducasse: it's solved now thank you so much friend!
[18:03] <slicktux> Hello, I need a specific version of gstremer. . . 0.10.36 specifically how can I go about
[18:04] <miguel2013> hey
[18:05] <laptopsinteclado> hola
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> !es | laptopsinteclado
[18:06] <laptopsinteclado> perdoname hermano
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> laptopsinteclado: only english here mate
[18:11] <CWR|11572> Hi all.. any one who can help me with resetting my mouse buttons on Ubuntu... yesterday I was trying to make my mouse on thumb button faster but now my back and forward keys har messed up.. they just scrool up and down
[18:12] <CWR|11572> still new at ubuntu/linux
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> CWR|11572: wich ubuntu release are you on mate?
[18:12] <CWR|11572> 17.10
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> CWR|11572: have you tried gnome-tweak-tool to check mouse settings?
[18:13] <laptopsinteclado> I have 12
[18:13] <CWR|11572> I upgraded it yesterday.. but now the menu is cooler to look at.. but meny functions are missing
[18:13] <tomreyn> !ask | laptopsinteclado
[18:14] <CWR|11572> no not yet... could not see any thing in the new settings and have tried alot of sites to reset my keys..
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-tweak-tool | CWR|11572
[18:16] <CWR|11572> ok nice... I'm just installing it now... thanks alot for your help... means alot.. have to go to school tomorrow and it has to work there...
[18:21] <CWR|11572> ubottu It dident work.. could not map my keys for the mouse... Do you have other options for me... ?
[18:21] <CWR|11572> lol
[18:22] <oerheks> CWR|11572, how did you make " mouse on thumb button faster " , what guide did you follow?
[18:23] <CWR|11572> oerheks I cant remember... but after I tried that line all my keys on the mouse was fucked... my left mouse was middel mouse and so on..
[18:24] <oerheks> grow up
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> CWR|11572: was it dconf related?
[18:25] <CWR|11572> the code that i tried was htis one
[18:25] <CWR|11572> logitech_mouse_id=$(xinput | grep "Logitech MX Master" | sed 's/.*id=\([0-9]\+\).*/\1/')
[18:25] <CWR|11572> logitech_mouse_id=$(xinput | grep "Logitech MX Master" | sed 's/.*id=\([0-9]\+\).*/\1/')
[18:25] <CWR|11572> logitech_mouse_id=$(xinput | grep "Logitech MX Master" | sed 's/.*id=\([0-9]\+\).*/\1/')
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> CWR|11572: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Input
[18:28] <nonow> i kinda dont like steam or other programs that might look at my hdd for cheats or whatever they look for.
[18:29] <CWR|11572> nice... thanks.. is there a way to just reset the mouse keybinding?
[18:29] <CWR|11572> back to factory
[18:29] <nonow> i think i get a 2nd acc on my pc and encrypt 1 acc
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> nonow: whats the relation to ubuntu?
[18:29] <nonow> 1acc for steam 1 for normal stuff
[18:30] <nonow> i am on ubuntu and wanna know if that is a solution
[18:31] <oerheks> 1 acc as in 1 account?
[18:31] <nonow> y
[18:31] <pragmaticenigma> nonow, please avoid acronyms and abbreviations. What makes sense to you, may not make sense to others
[18:32] <oerheks> having cheats is not the issue, they can detect running scripts while logged in @ steam
[18:33] <nonow> my idea is to seperate programs that might look at my hdd to a new account
[18:33] <nonow> and have a 2nd account encrypted with work emails etc.
[18:33] <pragmaticenigma> nonow, programs, including steam, do not randomly scan your harddrive for files. If they did, it would be making news headlines right now.
[18:35] <nonow> i thought some programs might do , windows kinda does and anti cheat software that i knew do
[18:35] <nonow> well they might be not around anymore
[18:36] <pragmaticenigma> nonow, windows doesn't do it either. again, you'd be seeing headlines in the news about antics like that.
[18:36] <SlidingHorn> nonow: they don't scan your HDD - they look at running processes
[18:36] <SlidingHorn> nonow: as well as any kind of interference with the currently running game
[18:37] <pragmaticenigma> nonow, the anticheat detection is done on the game hosts servers. they look for behavior that indicates a human is not present at the computer, or things that a human person would not be able to do in the game
[18:37] <oerheks> sure you can make a 2nd account, with an encrypted home
[18:37] <nonow> ty oerheks
[18:37] <nonow> i think it is cleaner
[18:38] <nonow> to seperate programms with other license than gpl or bsd to my normal account
[18:38] <nonow> i mean a gaming account
[18:40] <oerheks> type 'users' in dash and the tool shows up, Press Unlock in the top right corner and type in your password when prompted., then you can click "add user"
[18:41] <oerheks> after that standard or admin, nice feature
[18:44] <fishcooker> after do $ sudo ifconfig eth0 mtu 1200 should i restart the networking on 14.04?
[18:44] <fishcooker> how to restart the interface safely
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> fishcooker: sudo service network-manager restart
[18:48] <fishcooker> lotuspsychje: im on ubuntu server is # ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> fishcooker: ah, #ubuntu-server to the rescue
[18:53] <laptopsinteclado> friend I have a pccardbus usb2.0 card that I can use with no problemas in xubuntu 16.04 in 'text mode' but on ubuntu-server 12.04 it gives errors after connecting a usbdrive to the usbcard pcmcia socket. on xubuntu the drive reads and copies files find there
[18:53] <laptopsinteclado> the card is 15 years old
[18:53] <laptopsinteclado> the pen drive 5 years
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> laptopsinteclado: ubuntu 12.04 is end of life, unless you pay for ESM?
[18:55] <kostkon> laptopsinteclado, how old is the laptop
[18:56] <olivier> Hello
[18:57] <Guest3526> Algorithme R.S.A 2048 bits, codage binaire
[19:01] <crimson_king> Hi, is this page still relevant for installing the lamp stack? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[19:03] <jmgb4> Anybody upgrade to 18 yet? I follow the guide but its still not puling the update
[19:03] <brainwash> jmgb4: wrong guide probably
[19:04] <SlidingHorn> jmgb4: try #ubuntu+1 for help with the beta
[19:04] <jmgb4> SlidingHorn, Didnt even know that channel exist, thank yo
[19:04] <vbotka> jmgb4 FWIW, 18.04 will be released April 26th. ATM Beta is available.
[19:04] <jmgb4> you*
[19:04] <jmgb4> vbotka, Yeah I know that. Want to get things rolling a little early
[19:05] <vbotka> jmgb4, you can.
[19:05] <destinydriven> Hey guys I'm trying to so a simple sum link like this:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BdG5NTPb5N/    I'm stuck as to why it's not working.
[19:06] <destinydriven> $DESTDIR.$DOMAIN exists at the time command is run and would have a value like "demo.example.com"
[19:08] <destinydriven> Sym link** darn autocorrect
[19:08] <_KaszpiR_> destinydriven  try "$(readlink -e \"$/etc/nginx/sites-availabe/$DESTDIR.$DOMAIN\")" "/etc/nginx/sites-enabled/"
[19:08] <destinydriven> _KaszpiR_, ok thanks will do
[19:09] <_KaszpiR_> but I'd rahter suggest switchig to somethign like ansible
[19:09] <destinydriven> _KaszpiR_, just trying to learn a little bash. But I will look into ansible
[19:12] <destinydriven> _KaszpiR_, unfortunately, I'm getting the same error
[19:13] <destinydriven> This seems so straightforward
[19:13] <_KaszpiR_> google bash backslashes or double quote escaping
[19:14] <destinydriven> Ok thanks
[19:17] <sere_> i made alittle java/groovy script timer that outputs the value and wonder where or what questions i should be asking to import the scripts arg to be used by conky
[19:18] <_KaszpiR_> sere_ afair the best idea is to output to file and then read that file in conky
[19:18] <_KaszpiR_> or call script directly
[19:20] <sere_> _KaszpiR_: i can call it just fine its working ok but what im trying to do use the output to configure a lua circle timer.
[19:21] <sere_> _KaszpiR_: i like the idea of exporting to a file and it should be pretty easy :)
[19:21] <soc> hi, I'm trying to define a custom keyboard layout, but I can't manage to use alt as a third layer key
[19:22] <soc> here is my xkb file: https://pastebin.com/k9TDzp4S
[19:22] <_KaszpiR_> sere_ exporting output to file make things a bit simpler, but sometimes makes thing less realitime
[19:22] <soc> any ideas why pressing alt doesn not have an effect?
[19:22] <_KaszpiR_> but then much more resilient to some stupid errors
[19:25] <miguel2013> kostkon: the laptop where I can copy is 17 years the one that doesn't is 15
[19:28] <laptopsinteclado> hey aim back
[19:28] <laptopsinteclado> kostkon: it's old can u help me
[19:28] <destinydriven> How does one manage to keep a working laptop for 17 years
[19:29] <laptopsinteclado> destinydriven: they have minor problems is ok tho
[19:29] <destinydriven> Built ford tough haha. Not like the "planned obsole"
[19:29] <laptopsinteclado> anyway my problem right now is the pcmcia cardbus usb2.0 card I need to get it working on ubuntu server 12.04 is a driver issue
[19:29] <laptopsinteclado> it works fine on xubuntu 16.04
[19:30] <destinydriven> Planned obsolescence laptops of today
[19:30] <laptopsinteclado> the faster 1.8bhz p4 does'nmt have a working keyboard I use a ps2
[19:30] <laptopsinteclado> and the other one overheats so I use a fan underneath
[19:31] <laptopsinteclado> and that's it
[19:31] <Pirolocito> destinydriven: :) if you regularly clean the heat dissipator
[19:31] <Pirolocito> the laptop lasts forever
[19:31] <destinydriven> Pirolocito, but then there are other components that will ultimately fail.
[19:33] <Pirolocito> destinydriven: if you dont treat the laptop bad it keep working, however from my many years owning laptops, main cause of fail is on hinges, keyboards and sometimes board-screen cable
[19:33] <Pirolocito> batteries are consumables :)
[19:34] <destinydriven> Pirolocito, granted.
[19:34] <SlidingHorn> !precise | laptopsinteclado
[19:35] <Pirolocito> destinydriven: I remember my first laptop, somewhere around 1996, in 2004 it was still working connected to my main computer via serial cable working as terminal :D
[19:36] <destinydriven> haha
[19:36] <laptopsinteclado> SlidingHorn: is it a driver issue then
[19:36] <SlidingHorn> laptopsinteclado: I don't know.  Your version of ubuntu is no longer supported, though.
[19:38] <Pirolocito> what does dmesg says about it?
[19:40] <miguel2013> Pirolocito: it says it detects it and installs it but different results than on the xubuntu 16.04
[19:40] <Pirolocito> is it pcmcia?
[19:41] <miguel2013> I don't understnad why it needs a newer ubuntu for an old card to detect it. it is 10 years older than the 12.04 anywqa
[19:41] <miguel2013> Pirolocito: yes
[19:42] <SlidingHorn> miguel2013: that's not the point. You're running a possibly insecure system, as security updates are no longer provided.
[19:42] <SlidingHorn> miguel2013: you should upgrade to a supported version and go from there
[19:42] <Pirolocito> what is the board
[19:42] <Pirolocito> ?
[19:43] <miguel2013> Pirolocito: intel. it's a fujitsu lifebook e7110
[19:44] <SlidingHorn> miguel2013: you've already acknowledged that the device works on a newer, supported version.  Why are you insisting on running one that isn't?
[19:45] <sere_> miguel2013: 18.04 lts comes out in 3.88 days
[19:47] <miguel2013> SlidingHorn: Is just curiosity that's it
[19:48] <SlidingHorn> miguel2013: well providing support for an end-of-life release for the sake of someone's curiosity isn't on topic here.
[19:49] <miguel2013> SlidingHorn: can I just ask a question?
[19:49] <SlidingHorn> miguel2013: is the question on topic for this channel?
[19:54] <flying_sausages> Hey guys, I just got a new server and I would just like to install 18.04 already rather than upgrade in a week, is there an image somewhere I can use?
[19:54] <SlidingHorn> !bionic | flying_sausages
[19:54] <SlidingHorn> there should be a link in there...
[19:54] <flying_sausages> Cheers SlidingHorn!
[19:55] <flying_sausages> Also, I've never done this before, but how can I install ubuntu while in a generic linux recovery OS?
[19:55] <flying_sausages> ssh'd cli only, therefore
[19:55] <sere_> flying_sausages:  you can upgrade to 18.04 from the command line. i would wait to do a fresh install /img unless really needed
[19:56] <matlock> any experts on snap or snapcraft here? https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snapcraft-breaking-over-nested-cmake-not-moving-built-files-into-staging-prime-and-dependency-issues/5084
[19:56] <flying_sausages> sere_: the OS has been frozen already though, no?
[19:56] <flying_sausages> so you're going to get the same thing that should be available now
[19:56] <matlock> I am running into trouble creating a snap for an awesome rss app that's not really available for ubuntu or debian
[19:56] <flying_sausages> or not?
[19:57] <tomreyn> flying_sausages: #ubuntu+1
[19:57] <oerheks> while in a generic linux recovery OS? .. explain?
[19:57] <flying_sausages> tomreyn: is that a channel?
[19:58] <tomreyn> flying_sausages: yes, please join it for anything 18.04 related
[19:58] <flying_sausages> oerheks: the hosting company ships the box with an OS loaded into ram from their TFTP that should help people installing OSs
[19:58] <flying_sausages> I think it's based on Debian
[19:59] <flying_sausages> yeah it's deb8.10
[19:59] <sere_> flying_sausages: not sure..i upgraded a few weeks ago and im very pleased. the upgrade added 2gs for me awell.
[20:00] <flying_sausages> sere_: as in install 16.04 now and do a release upgrade, you mean?
[20:01] <oerheks> does that vendor allow upgrading like that?
[20:01] <flying_sausages> vendor offers some scripts to install OSs but they're fine if you choose your own image
[20:02] <sere_> flying_sausages: yea. thats what i did and it used up an additional 2gs.. everyone is working fine but as soon as its released im going to do a clean install
[20:02] <sere_> everything
[20:02] <tomreyn> flying_sausages: if we're tlaking about a dedicated server at hetzner, and one which does not provide KVM, then you have two options: (1) request a 'LARA' (a KVM), which is free for two hours or something, and install that way. (2) install using debootstrap from their recovery system.
[20:03] <flying_sausages> tomreyn: hah yes it's a hetzner box
[20:03] <flying_sausages> I'm currently in the second option
[20:03] <tomreyn> you could also use their installer but it's nnot very flexible.
[20:04] <flying_sausages> tomreyn: yeah that's right, I'd like to split up my /home from my / but the default just takes all disks and does a raid6
[20:06] <flying_sausages> I'm still not sure how I can install ubuntu while in the debian rescue without using their scripts though
[20:07] <sere_> conky setup with a lts release date countdown https://pasteboard.co/HhQ5b5M.png
[20:09] <jnewt> anyone know why nemo would only preview some thumbnails? (details at: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1026723/nemo-doesnt-preview-all-thumbnails-and-its-not-size-related )  If there is a better channel for this, let me know.
[20:10] <tomreyn> flying_sausages: using debootstrap
[20:11] <flying_sausages> can you possibly refer me to any guide for this if I don't want to use the installimage script?
[20:11] <flying_sausages> I'm having a hard time finding anything, and I can't really insert a USB or a CD or anything
[20:12] <tomreyn> debootrap is a package and a command you can run, with --help. there may also be a man page.
[20:12] <tomreyn> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/powerpc/apds04.html
[20:13] <tomreyn> it's not the best / cleanest way to install, i'd personally prefer the KVM one. but it works, too.
[20:13] <flying_sausages> tomreyn: what would be the kvm path?
[20:13] <flying_sausages> can I load up an ISO using their java applet?
[20:14] <tomreyn> yes
[20:14] <flying_sausages> let's just hope I can load it up from external sources...
[20:14] <tomreyn> there is also #hetzner for anything specific to them
[20:14] <flying_sausages> cheers, I know of the room but I've mostly seen it dead
[20:15] <flying_sausages> I'll resort to the standard install now and if it all goes south I guess you'll be seeing more of me ha
[20:15] <oerheks> :-)
[20:15] <flying_sausages> is it even worth having a separated /boot and / these days?
[20:16] <flying_sausages> or raid if I have 16GB of RAM?
[20:16] <oerheks> 18.04 would even give a swapfile nowadays, so no.
[20:17] <jnewt> anyone know why I can't open files with libreoffice from network locations shared by samba?   no problems with windows (mostly .xlsx files).  copying to local and then opening works fine. error is something like "basic input / output error"
[20:17] <tomreyn> separate /boot and / still makes sense in a couple scenarios
[20:18] <oerheks> opening files to edit over samba, or even indexing with thumbnails, are a drag, and not only on linux
[20:19] <flying_sausages> jnewt: oerheks is right, even on windows
[20:19] <flying_sausages> jnewt: what machine is the samba from?
[20:20] <oerheks> jnewt, please keep on cross posting
[20:20] <oerheks> :-(
[20:21] <jnewt> flying_sausages, it's running freebsd, you want hardware specs?  I have zero issues with windows clients, no complaints of slow loading.  I've tried myself and it seems fine.
[20:21] <tomreyn> https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/118967/how-can-i-get-libreoffice-to-open-files-over-a-windowssamba-connection-with-a-runusr1000gvfs-path/
[20:21] <tomreyn> might help
[20:22] <jnewt> oerheks, no problem, and you just keep minding your own business.
[20:23] <jnewt> tomreyn, ooh, that may actually be my issue.  I'm going to try the suggestions in there.  Thanks!
[20:24] <micros> hello. i am trying to compile PCRE (cross compile for ARM) but the make file is complaining that the 'me tool' is not present.  Anyone know what that tool is?  Its name is too vague and generates so many google / apt-cache results.  thanks.
[20:25] <micros> from the make file: "echo "To configure ${NAME}, the \"me\" tool is required. You can continue with a" >&2"
[20:25] <micros> and goes on to say you can use a default configuration with make if its not available.
[20:27] <TJ-> micros: are you building the Ubuntu package? It's build-depends are only debian tooling
[20:27] <micros> im just building pcre
[20:28] <micros> My approach was/is:  ./configure --enable-libmount=no --cache-file=arm-linux.cache --build=x86-64-linux-gnu --host=arm-linux --target=arm-linux --prefix=/home/developer/pcre_out --with-pcre=system && make
[20:28] <micros> which generates that error
[20:28] <tomreyn> there's #perl
[20:31] <micros> thanks ill try there
[20:48] <FishPencil> How do I start a command over SSH that will continue running after the session has ended?
[20:53] <hggdh> FishPencil: use nohup and end the line with a '&', like "nohup run-for-a-long-time &"
[20:54] <hggdh> FishPencil: or use byobu, or screen, or tmux to keep the console open
[20:57] <FishPencil> Is there a way to take back control of a nohup started command?
[20:58] <FishPencil> For example, if I SSHed, ran the command, quit SSH, came back later and wanted to bring it back up
[21:00] <oerheks> FishPencil, easyt, type 'jobs',, and choose the one: fg %1 or fg %2 .. https://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/05/unix-background-job/
[21:00] <oerheks> c/easy
[21:01] <turbo64> https://pastebin.com/b1qjw5Ee
[21:02] <oerheks> !ot > turbo64
[21:02] <CryptoSiD> I created a crontab with the following "@daily cd /home/EaseUS/SID-BEAST/Win10-x64 ; rm `ls -t | awk 'NR<2'`" but for an unknow reason it's not working
[21:02] <CryptoSiD> I'm not even seing the crontab being run in the syslogs
[21:02] <CryptoSiD> cronjob*
[21:03] <CryptoSiD> I don't understand why?
[21:05] <FishPencil> oerheks: Does Ctrl+Z keep it running after a logout?
[21:05] <oerheks> FishPencil, i think you do need nohub for that
[21:09] <yeats> FishPencil: another approach is to run the command within 'screen'
[21:10] <FishPencil> I think I might do that
[21:10] <FishPencil> Is tmux or screen "better"?
[21:10] <Midoshi27> Question: does having a long iptables file slow down the firewall? I have numerous entries in my iptables --list since I'm using fail2ban and permabanning IP addresses that fail a login.
[21:11] <yeats> FishPencil: I've only used screen and find it sufficient - others may be able to make a case for one over the other
[21:12] <FishPencil> So basically do I open screen, run the command, exit screen, and reconnect to screen later and my command will still be there?
[21:12] <miguel2013> yo
[21:13] <yeats> FishPencil: right
[21:13] <SlidingHorn> hi miguel2013 - did you upgrade your server to a supported version?
[21:13] <yeats> actually, I'm chatting from an irrsi session within screen right now
[21:13] <miguel2013> what are the services and programs needed to be restarted for gnu libc library when doing a do-osrelease-upgrade :))
[21:13] <yeats> I just reattach it after logging in
[21:14] <FishPencil> yeats: just a "screen" command right?
[21:14] <yeats> FishPencil: right
[21:14] <yeats> FishPencil: you can do 'screen -S <screenname>' too if you want multiple screens at once
[21:15] <flying_sausages> hey again, what exactly is the HWE option when installing LTS?
[21:15] <oerheks_> !hwe
[21:15] <oerheks_> you perform that after install, not during
[21:16] <yeats> FishPencil: 'Ctrl-A D' to detach, and I use 'screen -RaAd' to reattach (man page shows what the options are)
[21:16] <yeats> FishPencil: 'screen -ls' will list what screens are available
[21:23] <i-make-robots> I have a 16.04 dvd, a nearly full /dev/sda1, and network.  how do i correctly run the rescue process to fsck /dev/sda1?
[21:23] <i-make-robots> i have options to shell into sda5, which i think is a different partition on the same drive?  not sure.
[21:33] <designbybeck3> WOrking on an older Dell machine, We had Ubuntu 16.04 64bit on there, but it had been running slow. So I installed Ubuntu Mate 17.10 32bit. My question is Does running a 64bit system on an older machine make it slower? Debating on install the 64bit of Ubuntu Mate
[21:37] <brainwash> designbybeck3: how old? what are the specs?
[21:37] <designbybeck3> dell 755 optiplex?
[21:37] <designbybeck3> 2GB RAM
[21:38] <designbybeck3> brainwash: what is a good way to check the CPU in Linux?
[21:39] <oerheks> lscpu
[21:39] <designbybeck3> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E7200  @ 2.53GHz
[21:39] <designbybeck3> thanks oerheks didn't know you could just do that
[21:39] <oerheks> hostnamectl status #gives nice info too
[21:39] <miguel2013> what are the services and programs needed to be restarted for gnu libc library when doing a do-osrelease-upgrade :))
[21:40] <miguel2013> is it recomended to do osupgrade or install from scratch
[21:40] <brainwash> designbybeck3: does the current installation run slow also?
[21:41] <designbybeck3> no brainwash this Ubuntu Mate 17.10 32bit is running much better than the other install of Ubuntu 16.04 64bit
[21:41] <designbybeck3> Just had one program I was going to install but it doesn't have a 32bit download
[21:41] <designbybeck3> my buddy is an artist and he uses this computer for reference images so I was going to get him: https://www.pureref.com/download.php but on 32bit
[21:42] <brainwash> it's possible that is runs better due to being a newer ubuntu release
[21:43] <designbybeck3> was thinking that as well brainwash. I might jsut go ahead and reinstall on it, doesn't take that long
[21:43] <Ben64> more likely is that it uses a simpler desktop
[21:43] <Ben64> keep in mind that 17.10 loses support in 3 months
[21:44] <ash_guest> is there a standard why people keep track of their software installs? like, maybe just a script with all the additional repos and just an apt-get install ... \ ?
[21:47] <brainwash> ash_guest: maybe apt-clone
[21:47] <adalbert> ash_guest: dpkg -l > installed.txt (that's how I keep track)
[21:47] <oerheks> adalbert, +1
[21:48] <oerheks> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3b9SMtHdNJ/
[21:48] <ash_guest> I see, so there's not like a goto file you generally don't touch but sometimes update to get your most standard application / configurations?
[21:49] <oerheks> jups, plus any new edition comes with their own special additions.
[21:49] <oerheks> some keep complete programming lists, or gaming stuff
[21:50] <oerheks> libraries, manuals
[21:52] <ash_guest> is there anything I need to beware of when reinstalling from usb? I mean, what I'm reinstalling over uses secure boot so... I'm not going to end up with 2 partitions with 2 OSes am I?
[21:52] <Battle> hello all
[21:53] <Battle> couple of questions, i have a game server that has very little commands in the ways of admin, we cant even see IPs of those connected, which makes banning people very difficult. at present, the only way we can do this is by the offender being online at the time I am there, 'iftop', sift through IPs and manually blocking each one until i find the one that is for the offender...
[21:53] <oerheks> ash_guest, the installer gives various options, including whipe whole hdd and start over again.
[21:54] <oerheks> or replace existing install, etc etc
[21:54] <Battle> naturally this is far from ideal.... does anyone know of a way that I could perhaps 'log' packets of those joining the server in a readable text that would allow me to see the ips in a much easier way?
[21:55] <Ben64> Battle: not easily. what game is it
[21:55] <Battle> a game called 'Eco'
[21:55] <michael2> hi, I have a 32G USB, and I want convert it into a bootable live/installer. The installer only requires 1-2Gig. Is it possible to use the remaining 30 Gigs on the USB?
[21:55] <Battle> it uses 'mono' to run
[21:55] <Battle> unity based game
[21:56] <Ben64> should talk to the devs
[21:58] <sere_> Battle: you could you use cli wireshark to get the packets and then format text to a pretty print and then output to file
[22:00] <adalbert> michael, using Rufus, it is possible to add data to the live installer usb disk
[22:00] <adalbert> michael2, using Rufus, it is possible to add data to the live installer usb disks
[22:01] <sere_> michael2: fat32 max filesystem storage is 4g so it would be useless to go over that.. i believe would you want is to put your squashfs on a extern or different filesystem ext3 or ext4
[22:02] <Battle> Ben64: the devs are more focused on other things....we dont even have an unban command, administrative side is lacking quite hugely adn people have requested certain tools but their response is "oh well.... life sucks" pertty much.. lol
[22:02] <FishPencil_> So I changed my /etc/network/interfaces file to https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dgC3HSDQzM/ to assign a static ip, but now I have no connection outside. I can connect within the local network though
[22:02] <Battle> sere_ is it easy-ish to do what you suggested?
[22:02] <Battle> im not an elite  XD
[22:03] <FishPencil_> woops that gateway looks wrong
[22:03] <adalbert> FishPencil_: you're gateway is the same ip ...
[22:03] <FishPencil_> Just noticed it
[22:03] <oerheks> Battle, as it is mono, that makes it much more complicated too
[22:04] <oerheks> sparse server indeed https://eco.gamepedia.com/Setting_Up_a_Server
[22:05] <FishPencil_> Do I need a dns-nameservers entry for static assignment?
[22:06] <oerheks> or https://eco.gamepedia.com/Setting_Up_a_Server_(advanced) gives some hope ..
[22:06] <sere_> Battle: it would take some coding and im not sure if it would be ideal to use wireshark.. it uses alot of resources. a lite packet sniffer would be ideal
[22:09] <sere_> Battle: for now you could just block that ips game ports
[22:10] <Battle> yeah im blocking them as i find them
[22:10] <Battle> but its hard
[22:10] <sere_> Battle: to find or block?
[22:10] <Battle> find
[22:11] <adalbert> FishPencil_: Yes you must assign dns servers.
[22:14] <Midoshi27> Question: does having a long iptables file slow down the firewall? I have numerous entries in my iptables --list since I'm using fail2ban and permabanning IP addresses that fail a login.
[22:16] <oerheks> The theoretical upper limit of maximum number of rules for a 32-bit environment would be somewhere around 38 million ... https://serverfault.com/questions/479549/how-many-rules-can-iptables-support
[22:17] <Midoshi27> Oh wow, that's a huge amount. I'm not so worried now, I only have about 100 and some records
[22:17] <Midoshi27> thanks oerheks
[22:17] <michael2> adalbert: thanks for the tip about rufus. thats not a program im familiar with would require research and training for me to learn it
[22:18] <sere_> Battle: if your really invested you could write a algorithm that finds the negative behaviours
[22:19] <oerheks> in those comments you can find '25K rules'
[22:20] <michael2> Midoshi27: I have loaded about 5000 permanently banned addresses in iptables without problems.
[22:21] <michael2> If you go above that there is a kernel module for doing filtering of large numbers of ip addresses more efficiently
[22:21] <Midoshi27> michael2: I will keep an eye on it, if it ever does get all that large I'll manage it then.
[22:22] <miguel2013> hey friend
[22:23] <themoonisshining> is 14.04 trusty the latest for ubuntu server?
[22:24] <Ben64> no
[22:24] <tgm4883> themoonisshining: Ubuntu server has a release every ubuntu release
[22:24] <themoonisshining> does it have support
[22:24] <Ben64> until next year
[22:24] <tgm4883> !trusty
[22:24] <tgm4883> looks like it
[22:24] <Ben64> 18.04 comes out this week
[22:24] <themoonisshining> ok friend I have a question
[22:24] <themoonisshining> cool
[22:25] <themoonisshining> hey so I want to install a pcmcia support for it
[22:25] <themoonisshining> like xubuntu 16.04 has
[22:25] <Ben64> why not use 16.04
[22:25] <themoonisshining> I still can't copy files from usb drive on ubuntu server even after upgrading to 14.04
[22:25] <themoonisshining> it didn't do that far
[22:27] <miguel2013> Ben64: I may have to install xubuntu 16 on it too then
[22:29] <miguel2013> I grabed my laptop by the center and it crashed
[22:29] <miguel2013> i reboted i handle it again and it crashed again
[22:32] <FishPencil> Is the firewall enabled by default on Ubuntu server?
[22:33] <Midoshi27> FishPencil: Yes, but you have to define what you allow and block
[22:34] <miguel2013> ok I'm upgrading to 16.04
[22:34] <miguel2013> it gave me that option now
[22:35] <miguel2013> it should tecnicaly work correct? like xubuntu 16.04
[22:35] <miguel2013> what if it doesn't then is a hardware issue?
[22:35] <Midoshi27> miguel2013: you should back up before you do that
[22:35] <miguel2013> Midoshi27: my /home is on another partition
[22:35] <miguel2013> no worries
[22:36] <Midoshi27> should be fine then, but there might be complications after the backup
[22:36] <Midoshi27> after the install**
[22:37] <miguel2013> I'm looking for apps that do sync and backup too haven't done research on it yet I have unorganized backups on removable
[22:53] <miguel2013> are u all americans
[22:53]  * NaTeK squints
[22:53] <miguel2013> walk with me
[22:53] <oerheks> miguel2013, no, this is the international support room, but we do speak english :-D
[22:55] <oerheks> !info grsync
[23:13] <_Dejavu> Hello community, iI'm trying to install package thru pip but get syntax error. Could anyone take a look? https://pastebin.com/dcm6Yy1e
[23:16] <oerheks> _Dejavu, i think you want pip3, like this tutor https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-django-and-set-up-a-development-environment-on-ubuntu-16-04
[23:16] <oerheks> https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/how-to-install-django-on-ubuntu/
[23:17] <_Dejavu> thank you oerheks let me try
[23:19] <oerheks> the 2nd one might be more clear
[23:38] <DanXB> join
[23:47] <matlock> is anyone here really good with making snaps? I've run into an issue with this one, would bring a nice rss readehttps://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snapcraft-breaking-over-nested-cmake-not-moving-built-files-into-staging-prime-and-dependency-issues/5084r to ubuntu easily:
[23:48] <matlock> https://github.com/sirredbeard/FeedReader/blob/master/snap/snapcraft.yaml