[00:01] <OvenWerks> (or somehwere)
[00:18] <krytarik> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2018-April/004438.html - btw, and images are ready for us now too.
[00:37] <captain-tux> Just got the e-mail as well. I'll try to run some tests tomorrow or early next week.
[00:38] <krytarik> I hope ErichEickmeyer or Roos will be mailing a call for testing later.
[00:38] <krytarik> Or indeed, Ross. :P
[01:00] <ErichEickmeyer> I’m at work right now, so I’ll send out the call for testing as soon as I can. Probably another 60-90 minutes.
[03:59] <krytarik> You know, the notion that shipping stuff by default isn't so important anymore nowadays because there has been a shift in what installation media is being used...
[04:00] <OvenWerks> there is not much difference in price between a 2g and 16g any more.
[04:01] <OvenWerks> There is a difference in length of download though
[04:03] <krytarik> I mean the conclusion was that because CDs/DVDs aren't often used anymore, we don't have to ship as many apps.
[04:04] <OvenWerks> people still run live usb sticks.
[04:04] <krytarik> People use USB stick however, which can hold even more data.
[04:05] <OvenWerks> being able to make a custom stick would be nice.
[04:05] <OvenWerks> only include the sw one likes
[04:07] <krytarik> I mean I agree with the idea to slim down the installation image a little - but that reasoning is totally off.
[04:11] <OvenWerks> Yes, we crossed the cd/dvd bridge long ago.
[04:13] <krytarik> Well, it still fits on a DVD - but as was said, not all computers have optical drives anymore.
[04:19] <ErichEickmeyer> Perhaps I wrote that part wrong in the notes, but there's no reason not to slim-down the ISO image. I may not have crystallized those thoughts correctly.
[04:21] <OvenWerks> ErichEickmeyer: I don't think we were commenting on your exact words, just talking the merits of size in general.
[04:22] <ErichEickmeyer> Ah, okay.
[04:24] <krytarik> Yes, you didn't reflect that incorrectly.
[14:01] <eylul> I would argue that download amount is still a thing, while internet is faster true, people do have limited amount of space to do so. as for usb, if you are regularly going to use a live usb, persistent systems are better anyway at least in our use case
[14:01] <eylul> I would also ask if there is a livecd/usb use case for ubuntustudio in particular (and this is not a rhetorical question I am genuinely not certain one way or another)
[14:02] <eylul> as production usually requires a) a semi persistent setup b) quite a bit of specific hardware (so not portable to say an internet cafe environment)
[14:03] <eylul> I think this is something we do need to think about in a larger scale krytarik , ovenwerks, ericheickmeyer what exactly our use cases are, once the project is back on track. :)
[16:09] <krytarik> eylul: Yeah, I certainly don't see people running about with Live USB media with Studio on it either - but the test before install use case is still there anyway, of course.
[16:41] <OvenWerks> eylul: the big live USB drive use is preliminary mixdown on the train or perhaps some tracking. Also showing a client a partially done project on their window computer. This is not a big thing at all, a quick export would do fine for the second and just the program for the first as latency is not an issue.
[16:41] <OvenWerks> Those are just the two use cases I have heard of more than once.
[16:42] <OvenWerks> (from people who actually do these things :)
[16:45] <OvenWerks> being able to build a custom live disk for these purposes makes more sense.... and there is always AVL