[07:43] <user|32382> HI
[07:44] <user|32382> Hello
[10:24] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:24] <ryks31792> hello.have issue to install kubuntu on win 10
[10:25] <ryks31792> maded all the partitions corectly
[10:25] <ryks31792> but doesn t start
[10:25] <ryks31792> on boot ot s jumps directly to 10
[10:29] <BluesKaj> ryks31792, installed Kubuntu beside W10? Did you disable secure and fast boot in the UEFI/BIOS?
 @ryks31792, You need to set the boot order
 You can load  kubuntu by entering BIOS
[11:23] <ryks31792> no
[11:23] <ryks31792> i didn t
[11:24] <BluesKaj> didn't what?
[11:24] <ryks31792> from the grub menu when i click kubuntu ,it s take me to win 10
[11:26] <ryks31792> if i remamner well in ubuntu ,has a option -says install ubuntu side by side with win 10
[11:26] <ryks31792> kubuntu does nt have that chioce
[11:26] <Kon-> ryks31792, to configure a dual boot with Windows, it's best to arrange your disk partitions yourself
[11:27] <ryks31792> i did
[11:27] <ryks31792> googled on youtube
[11:27] <ryks31792> i will try again
[11:27] <ryks31792> i miss linux
[11:28] <ryks31792> ok,must go .see you soon on the other side i  hope
[11:31] <Kon-> I thought the "side by side" option automatically created a single partition and added an MBR entry
[11:32] <Kon-> I don't know if that would work properly on UEFI
[11:32] <BluesKaj> Kon-, it used to , but since UEFI/Bios the /boot UEFI partiton has replaced it
[11:34] <Kon-> Cool, that keeps it easy. But I'd still never trust an installer to autosize my partitions
[11:34] <BluesKaj> also depends on your BIOS. ...my MSI mobo has a hybrid which can use either UEFI/GPT or BIOS /dos..very cool
[11:35] <BluesKaj> yeah , i always prepartition , then use maunual partitioning during the install
[11:37] <austin316> Hi all. just trying out the RC for 18.04. Is any there any way to make GTK emacs work with the global menu applet? The menus show up within the window.
[11:38] <BluesKaj> however the auto-install did work properly on my laptop with UEFI/GPT
[11:39] <BluesKaj> austin316, GTK emacs inb kubuntu?  why?
[11:39] <Kon-> I was going to be nice and not say anything, but my thoughts exactly
[11:40] <Kon-> Kubuntu doesn't seem like the type of distro I'd associate with a hardcore emacs user
[11:41] <austin316> BluesKaj: emacs doesn't support Qt. It's a GTk (or terminal) application
[11:41] <austin316> Kon-: "hardcore", lol. it's a text editor.
[11:41] <Kon-> I use Kate :)
[11:42] <BluesKaj> austin316, yes I understand that, but are you on Kubuntu or Ubuntu , seems you might want to ask that question in #ubuntu
[11:43] <Kon-> I think he's in Kubuntu and emacs isn't working as expected with global menu in Plasma
[11:43] <austin316> Kon-: yes exactly
[11:44] <quaru> Yeah, ut I imagine a lot of people in here won't know.  :p
[11:44] <diogenes_> austin316, send as a screenshot of it
[11:46] <BluesKaj> whoa, i don't even see emacs in the Bionic menu
[11:49] <BluesKaj> Most users use Kate afaik, emacs is foreign to most home users I think
[11:49]  * diogenes_ uses gedit with all the appropriate extensions
[11:50] <austin316> diogenes_: here's a screenshot https://imgur.com/a/TWtAZFa
[11:51] <austin316> diogenes_: it's not that dire :) I was just wondering if this was an known bug.
[11:53] <diogenes_> austin316, I guess that kind of global menu does not support emacs
[12:14] <BluesKaj> it's odd austin316, I recall emacs in the kmenu, but it's no longer there, obviously not installed by default either
[12:18] <austin316> BluesKaj: it's in Discover. A full install of emacs is around 100MB, so it's not suprising it wouldn't come by default.
[12:19]  * BluesKaj nods
[12:36] <austin316> *facepalm* it's not just emacs, it's all GTK programs. Shows how extensive KDE is :P
[12:36] <austin316> 18.04 will have 5.12 version of Plasma, and it seems 5.13 will add support for GTK in appmenu.
[12:40] <Kon-> austin316, now that you mention it, I believe that's correct
[12:40] <Kon-> Global menu is a relatively recent feature in its own right
[12:41] <BluesKaj> yes, Bionic has plasma 5.12 ..I'm running it
[12:41] <Kon-> You can get the bleeding edge Plasma version in Kubuntu with the Kubuntu backports PPA
[12:41] <Kon-> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[12:42] <austin316> Kon-: I'll have to add that to my list of things to try.
[12:42] <austin316> thanks
[12:44] <Kon-> I was going to tell him that beta doesn't hit for another 3 weeks
[12:46] <BluesKaj> he seems quite knowledgeable and on top of things, so I'm sure he's aware of the Bionic release date
[12:47] <BluesKaj> Kon-, what beta?
[12:48] <BluesKaj> the release date is actually in 3 days afaik
[12:48] <Kon-> Plasma 5.12.95, the beta for 5.13
[12:48] <BluesKaj> I see
[12:48] <Kon-> The feature he wants is new in 5.13
[12:49] <BluesKaj> well, it's not new...it's just back
[14:06] <CoJaBo> So, I installed the beta. So far, it's less buggy than 17.10 stable =D
[14:07] <CoJaBo> Display is only modestly corrupt with the nouvaeue driver, which made the install quite a large number of times easier lol
[14:09] <CoJaBo> main bug so far is there is still no sound support :/
[14:25] <kab0m> Hi together :)
[14:26] <BluesKaj> CoJaBo,which audio chip?
[14:27] <kab0m> As i am new to kubuntu/linux i just wondered if just install the 18.04 Beta 2 if i can then simply just update to the final lts release when its out at 26th of april or if i have to do some magic tricks or reinstall the system to get from the beta to the lts later on?
[14:27] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: 00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation CM238 HD Audio Controller (rev 31)
[14:28] <bodiro> kab0m: Install 18.04. beta, it will automatically update to the final version.
[14:28] <kab0m> Nice, i thank you very much for the info bodiro ;)
[14:28] <BluesKaj> kab0m, just keep updating/upgrading and the final release will be automatically installed
[14:29] <bodiro> kab0m: your're welcome
[14:29] <CoJaBo> kab0m: FWIW, for some reason, the "download updates" option in the installer didn't seem to download updates during installation; I had to do it manually afterwards. Not really a problem, just remember to do that on first boot
[14:29] <kab0m> perfect :) i really looking forward how linux will change my life. have a nice day everyone
[14:30] <BluesKaj> CoJaBo, ok, open alsamixer in the konsole and disable automute on the far right for starters
[14:32] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: didn't see to do anything; what does that do, and does it take effect immediately or does it need something else?
[14:34] <BluesKaj> CoJaBo, use the left/right arrow keys to navigate in alsamixer, the up down arrow keys to disable/enable the automute control
[14:34] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: It shows disabled, but nothing seemed to happen
[14:35] <BluesKaj> then run sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel, and reboot
[14:36] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: It looks like that's mainly for headphones tho?
[14:37] <BluesKaj> no, it's for all the audio outpts
[14:37] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: This is the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1672822
[14:39] <BluesKaj> CoJaBo, just run the above command and reboot, believe me
[14:39] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: Is that specfic to that card? And if so, will it break automatically muting when headphones are plugged in?
[14:41] <BluesKaj> no, the autmute is enabled by default to prevent accidental overloading of your sound devices when booting your pc
[14:41] <BluesKaj> and your ears :-)
[14:43] <BluesKaj> when booting the pc for the first time after a new install
[14:44] <yawylnhly> hey how do you enable beta updates? like you could in the ubuntu software settings.
[14:45] <BluesKaj> just update and upgrtade normally if you run Bionic
[14:46] <BluesKaj> in kubuntu it's called discover
[14:46] <yawylnhly> yeah is there such an option there?
[14:46] <BluesKaj> software center
[14:48] <BluesKaj> are yolu on Bionic?, then updating and upgrading will bring you to whatever level the repos are at
[14:48] <yawylnhly> yep im on bionic.. thx :)
[14:48] <BluesKaj> right
[14:49] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: AFAICT, it doesn't do anything; is there a page saying it should fix output on this card?
[14:50] <BluesKaj> yawylnhly, there's a freeze on atm, normal for the week before the official release
[14:51] <BluesKaj> what doesn't do anything, CoJaBo?
[14:51] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: Changing that setting; the problem remains
[14:51] <BluesKaj> have you turned up the controls in alsmixer and pavucontrol ?
[14:51] <yawylnhly> right.. btw why is qupzilla called falkon?
[14:52] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: In my case, I don't even get actual "sound" thru the subwoofer, mostly just static and clicking; which is probably because the volume is wrong for output to a subwoofer
[14:52] <BluesKaj> yawylnhly, no idea
[14:53] <BluesKaj> CoJaBo, did you check the controls like I mentioned?
[14:53] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: Yes
[14:54] <yawylnhly> ah its called falkon now I guess lol: There will be no more QupZilla releases, please switch to Falkon.
[14:54] <BluesKaj> make sure there's no MM in the boxes at the bottom, that means muted, CoJaBo
[14:55] <BluesKaj> in alsamixer
[14:55] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: It's not muted; it's trying to output sound to something that isn't a normal speaker
[14:55] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1672822
[14:56] <yawylnhly> im not sure i understood properly, but I think you should make the right thing the default speaker @cojabo
[14:56] <CoJaBo> yawylnhly: That's the bug; there's no way to change that
[14:57] <BluesKaj> CoJaBo, that's for 16.10 are you using 16.10?
[14:57] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: Problem remains in 17.10 and 18.04
[14:58] <BluesKaj> I have the same intel driver, don't opbsess about an old bug that probly doesn't apply anymore
[14:58] <BluesKaj> I don't have it
[14:58] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: what does it show as in lspci for you?
[14:58] <BluesKaj> show me yours firrst
[14:59] <BluesKaj> !pastebin | CoJaBo
[14:59] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: 00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation CM238 HD Audio Controller (rev 31)
[15:01] <CoJaBo> There's a Realtek driver it's possible to load and hack, that will redirect sound to one of the rear channels, but the sound quality is still poor, mono, and it completely breaks headphones, so it's actually worse than the default one :/
[15:04] <CoJaBo> ..wow. this version of vlc can seek. this is amazing
[15:07] <BluesKaj> realtek uses the intel chip and driver ..now how are you connecting and what audio devices are connecting?
[15:09] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: It's an Acer Predator 17 laptop, 4.1 builtin speakers
[15:09] <CoJaBo> BluesKaj: It works fine with headphones, but the internal speakers are not usable at all due to the bug.
[15:11] <BluesKaj> oh laptop audio is even worse on linux than regular pcs ...I should have asked sooner
[15:11] <CoJaBo> This is the only one I've ever had sound issues with :/
[15:12] <CoJaBo> Ironically, this is the first laptop I've had where I *didn't* have wifi issues <_<
[15:12] <BluesKaj> I don't even bother with the speakers on my laptop , just plugin a regular set of pc speakers , so i have no experience with that'
[15:13] <CoJaBo> I'm trying to get bluetooth ones to work, considering that bug is likely to never be fixed, but I can't for the life of me seem to get them to stay connected
[15:14] <CoJaBo> Tried 2 different speakers, and even borrowed some bluetooth headphones. It connects, but as soon as they're turned off or even left idle for a bit, they lose all track of pairing. Stupid..
[15:15] <CoJaBo> Anyway.. is there a way I can check to make sure automatic updates is off? It defaulted to on in 17.10, which breaks things horrificly; I can't remember where the setting is tho
[15:18] <BluesKaj> it's called unattended upgrades, but it's essentail to update/upgrade afew times /wk if you uninstall that
[15:18] <BluesKaj> for security updates/upgrades
[15:19] <CoJaBo> Since it requires a reboot, I need to do it manually; I can't just have the system randomly break without warning while I'm using it lol
[15:20] <CoJaBo> There was a setting to just turn it off, but I suppose uninstalling it is fine too and probably easier anyway..
[15:20] <BluesKaj> BBL
[15:40] <tnss> hello
[15:40] <tnss> I am excited for 18.04
[15:46] <CoJaBo> Just installed it on my laptop
[15:47] <CoJaBo> was planning to wait to final, but somehow my 17.10 install got ruined this morning <_<
[15:48] <tnss> eh, my laptop has a damaged female charger port, and will take 1-3 weeks (they didn't say whether or not they were business days, if they are, then it would be 2-3 weeks, if not, 1-2 weeks. I might get Kubuntu 18.04 LTS when I get it back
[15:49] <tnss> I have a Dell Inspiron 15 5566 with a Core i3 2.3 GHz, 6 GB DDR4 RAM, a touch screen, resolution of 1366x768, and integrated Intel HD Graphics 620
[15:51] <tnss> I bet everyone who is on this IRC that uses Kubuntu would use the kubuntu-backports PPA
[15:52] <tnss> I saw the Kubuntu 18.04 LTS Second Beta
[15:52] <tnss> and the KDE Plasma desktop looks more custom
[15:53] <tnss> it comes with a custom "Kubuntu" workplace theme, that is less of the stock "Breeze" Theme, and more Breeze Dark
[15:56] <tnss> so for the next 10 days I am stuck with an old Compaq Presario CQ61 laptop
[15:57] <tnss> It has 2 GB RAM, has an AMD64 (it is really AMD) AMD Athlon II M320 Processor, with a resolution of 1366x768
[16:01] <CoJaBo> The dark theme looks really nice
[16:02] <CoJaBo> It's actually possible to tell which tabs are selected
[16:02] <tnss> yeah
[16:02] <CoJaBo> And the clock is readable
[16:02] <tnss> if only it had GTK integration (Firefox would match with the titlebar, instead of being white
[16:03] <CoJaBo> Also, the main menu logo doesn't default to some stupid swirly thing like 17.10 did
[16:03] <tnss> and it works better with apps than GNOME's Adwaita Dark, which can cause appearance problems with Firefox
[16:04] <CoJaBo> The file-section dialog for gtk is still horribly awful
[16:05] <tnss> Remember when KDE SC 4 was the most resource-hungriest DE out of all of them
[16:05] <tnss> even more than GNOME 3 and Unity
[16:06] <CoJaBo> I've never had problems with the main DE part being bloated. All the extra apps suck to have to remove/disable, but hey there's finally a minimal install
[16:06] <CoJaBo> Only thing I had to disable was search
[16:06] <tnss> you can see when you are transferring files in Nautilus with the Ambiance theme in Ubuntu 17.10 that it looks white at first
[16:07] <tnss> and gnome-sushi doesn't really look well on Ubuntu either
[16:07] <CoJaBo> I don't think I've used the file manager since KDE4 beta
[16:07] <tnss> Ubuntu Studio is essentially a bloated Xubuntu with extra modifications
[16:08] <CoJaBo> I don't even remember what the name of it is anymore lol
[16:08] <CoJaBo> Also, egads does xubuntu (xfce, whatever) suck <_<
[16:09] <tnss> it was called either d3lphin or Konqueror
[16:10] <tnss> the kde community doesn't really support konqueror anymore, at least until Kubuntu 14.04's support ends
[16:11] <CoJaBo> Konqueror sucked.
[16:11] <tnss> yeah
[16:11] <tnss> it is just as bad as Epiphany
[16:11] <CoJaBo> Glad they switched back to firefox lol
[16:12] <tnss> why does elementary even use it
[16:12] <CoJaBo> saves one more app having to manually install every single time
[16:12] <tnss> once their users figure out that they can't do much wiith it
[16:13] <CoJaBo> I hate that so many things do stuff when scrolled over in KDE
[16:13] <CoJaBo> That's my main annoyance with the default settings
[16:13] <acheronuk> CoJaBo: the stupid swirly thing is still there in the stock plasma themes, but I decided to replace it with the old 'K' gear for Kubuntu's
[16:13] <CoJaBo> acheronuk: Because the swirly thing sucks? :P
[16:14] <acheronuk> and the K could be KDE, but could be Kubuntu
[16:14] <tnss> the other thing i hate is that in order to actually game by enabling the touchpad while typing, i needed to install the xf86-synaptics-touchpad drivers
[16:14] <tnss> and remove the libinput ones
[16:14] <CoJaBo> I'm very happy its a K as default, because I was too lazy to change it myself on 17.10
[16:14] <tnss> and apparently the changes don't work until you reboot
[16:15] <diogenes_> tnss, it's not advisable to remove libinput
[16:15] <diogenes_> you just install synaptic and it will use it
[16:15] <CoJaBo> Libinput sucks.
[16:15] <tnss> oh, sory
[16:15] <tnss> my computer doesn't work well with them
[16:15] <CoJaBo> It can't middle-click on mine
[16:15] <diogenes_> CoJaBo, it might suck but nevertheless it's the future and synaptic is legacy already
[16:16] <CoJaBo> diogenes_: Would've thought that would be fixed by now, it's been a year :/
[16:16] <tnss> sure it is outdated, but it works better than libinput
[16:16] <tnss> for me at least
[16:16] <diogenes_> agree, synaptic works better for me too
[16:16] <CoJaBo> Sound has been broken now for 3 years on this chipset. Linux distros still don't care about laptop support :/
[16:17] <diogenes_> CoJaBo, I would not blame linux devs
[16:17] <diogenes_> I'd blame the manufacturers
[16:17] <tnss> except Ubuntu, they spoil Dell
[16:17] <diogenes_> they don't care about their customers freedom
[16:17] <diogenes_> I mean the manufacturers^^^
[16:18] <tnss> I think Dell only provides support for Ubuntu 14.04 and (ironically) 15.04
[16:18] <tnss> i checked the drivers page
[16:18] <diogenes_> just buy yourself a system76 and you gonna have everything boringly working just fine
[16:19] <tnss> except Pop!_OS kinda gives me a eyesore
[16:19] <tnss> bye
[16:19] <diogenes_> no one forced you to use pop os :)
[16:21] <BluesKaj> what laptops need is simple well designed analog audio output stage
[16:43] <ZetFury> does kubuntu release its lts same date as regular ubuntu?
 yes
[16:48] <BluesKaj> all flavours
[16:49] <ZetFury> ok thx
[18:00] <tnss> hi
[18:35] <R13ose> I am getting this dialog message to show up: Configuration file "/home/test/.config/kreadconfig5rc" not writeable.  How do I fix this?
[18:37] <diogenes_> try: chmod 777 /home/test/.config/kreadconfig5rc
[20:51] <tabu> Hello, does anyone know what's happening with http://hydrogen-music.org???
[21:47] <user|33664> hey is there anybody out there that can help me with a small problem?
[21:47] <user|33664> It is about ocamlfuse and a google drive
[21:48] <user|33664> i've already connected all, but i cannot make changes on my files. it says i am not allowed to change files
[21:58] <user|33664> ?
[22:46] <oerheks> maybe you need to go online, in google dash, to allow this new entry to gdrive