[00:44] <BionicMac> donofrio: 
[00:44] <BionicMac>     apt has parameter full-upgrade
[00:44] <BionicMac>     apt-get has parameter dist-upgrade.
[00:44] <BionicMac> donofrio: https://askubuntu.com/questions/770135/apt-full-upgrade-versus-apt-get-dist-upgrade
[00:44] <BionicMac> same.
[00:47] <BionicMac> donofrio: If it were me I would do a fresh install. Either way. I plan on doing a fresh install again once the final image drops. I'm running Kubuntu RC-1 on a fresh install which was released yesterday.
[00:49] <BionicMac> I've had luck with running 'full-upgrade' for a month now. I just decided today in favor of a fresh install to help with testing on qatracker.
[00:52] <BionicMac> donofrio: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/389/builds 
[01:23] <jmgb4> Anybody able to get pciepassthrough going with qemu?
[01:46] <ads20000> I've ran into a bug upon upgrade to Bionic which makes Software & Updates unusable, I don't know if it's reproducible...
[01:46] <ads20000> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1766129
[01:46] <lotuspsychje> ads20000: its not reccomended yet to upgrade till final
[01:47] <lotuspsychje> ads20000: if you want to help, please try a daily iso, and see if you can reproduce that bug?
[01:47] <ads20000> lotuspsychje: yeah but it's past final freeze and I wanted to see if upgrading worked xD
[01:47] <ads20000> lotuspsychje: I wasn't aware that testing upgrades before release isn't useful?
[01:48] <lotuspsychje> ads20000: well its your system, your choice surely...but for proper bug testing we advise daily iso
[01:48] <ads20000> lotuspsychje: I'll start downloading the ISO tonight and give it a go :)
[01:48] <ads20000> lotuspsychje: yeah that's true
[01:48] <ads20000> lotuspsychje: bad decision on my part I guess :(
[01:48] <lotuspsychje> ads20000: if you can reproduce, then we surely know its a real bug
[01:48] <ads20000> lotuspsychje: Also my Xorg sessions don't seem to be working anymore (they did at first but on one boot they seem to hang at GDM) I'll test that again tomorrow
[01:49] <ads20000> lotuspsychje: and report if it remains not working, I hope there's something useful in the logs that more knowledgeable people can use?
[01:49] <lotuspsychje> ads20000: wich version did you upgrade from?
[01:49] <ads20000> lotuspsychje: 17.10
[01:50] <lotuspsychje> kk
[01:50] <lotuspsychje> on wich card ads20000 
[01:50] <mikeymop> hey, has anyone gotten arc theme to work?
[01:50] <mikeymop> I installed it and it loks really strange
[01:50] <mikeymop> also does anyone know how to get the stock gnome panel? I installed gnome-session but it still has the ambiance one
[01:51] <ads20000> mikeymop: have you changed your session to GNOME when you log in?
[01:51] <mikeymop> it wasn't available
[01:51] <lotuspsychje> mikeymop: you have gnome-tweak-tool installed? easy themes switch there
[01:51] <mikeymop> I had two options 'gnome' and 'gnome communitheme'
[01:51] <ads20000> mikeymop: that's strange
[01:51] <mikeymop> yes, however in gnome tweak tool I dont have adwaita as a shell option
[01:51] <mikeymop> default is ubuntu, I suspect they directly modified adwaita
[01:52] <ads20000> mikeymop: Your options should be Ubuntu, Ubuntu with Wayland, GNOME, GNOME with Wayland, Ubuntu with Communitheme, Ubuntu with Communitheme with Wayland (on 18.04)
[01:52] <mikeymop> I had ubuntu, ubuntu with wayland, and ubuntu on x
[01:52] <ads20000> mikeymop: assuming you used the Communitheme snap
[01:52] <ads20000> mikeymop: I don't understand why that's happening :(
[01:52] <mikeymop> i didn't use a snap, i used apt to install it
[01:52] <mikeymop> :/
[01:52] <ads20000> mikeymop: ah, don't do that
[01:53] <ads20000> mikeymop: the Apt repo for it isn't supported for it anymore
[01:53] <ads20000> mikeymop: remove it and remove the communitheme Deb, then install the snap (on 18.04)
[01:53] <mikeymop> whats the snap repo?
[01:53] <mikeymop> i'm going to uninstall it rn
[01:53] <ads20000> mikeymop: run `snap install communitheme` (optionally with `--edge`)
[01:54] <ads20000> mikeymop: restart and click Ubuntu with Communitheme and login
[01:54] <ads20000> lotuspsychje: what do you mean by 'card'? Flavour? I'm on the default Ubuntu flavour
[01:55] <ads20000> lotuspsychje: oh, graphics card
[01:55] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[01:55] <ads20000> lotuspsychje: Intel Core i5-3320M CPU (with the Ivybridge Mobile inbuilt graphics)
[01:56] <lotuspsychje> kk
[01:56] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic
[01:56] <lotuspsychje> got this kernel ads20000 ?
[01:57] <ads20000> mikeymop: Perhaps the communitheme Deb messed up your GNOME session, maybe...it is indeed forked off Adwaita (or that was the intention anyway)
[01:58] <katnip> i have a dumb question
[01:58] <ads20000> mikeymop: you might be able to fix the theme in Tweaks in the GNOME session as lotuspsychje said
[01:58] <jmgb4> So ive all but given up getting pcie passthrough going. How easy is it to redo the bl with ubuntu if I were to install windows on another drive? I am pretty sure its goign to overwrite the bootloader
[01:58] <katnip> slightly off topic
[01:58] <ads20000> lotuspsychje: yes
[01:58] <katnip> what time of the day on thursday will bionic be released? :)
[01:58] <mikeymop> ok I rebooted and thats better
[01:59] <mikeymop> I used the communitheme session and the shell isn't the old brown/grey anymore
[01:59] <mikeymop> this is okay for now, despite the random orange/blue
[01:59] <lotuspsychje> katnip: 26 april, during the day
[02:00] <katnip> just 'during the day' ? :)
[02:00] <ads20000> mikeymop: _please_ post your thoughts in https://community.ubuntu.com/t/call-for-participation-an-ubuntu-default-theme-lead-by-the-community/1545/ to influence the decisions on that! :)
[02:00] <mikeymop> ty
[02:00] <mikeymop> i missed what lotuspsychje said about fixing the theme
[02:01] <ads20000> mikeymop: Go to Tweaks, you might be able to fiddle with the theme in the GNOME session there
[02:01] <lotuspsychje> wasnt a fix
[02:01] <mikeymop> oh, yea I did all that
[02:02] <mikeymop> lol, gnome system monitor is completely transparent (:
[02:02] <ads20000> mikeymop: With the communitheme you could alternatively Like my second most recent post calling for more consistency with the blue :P But I've also written a lot of other stuff in that post that you might not agree with so maybe you'll want to make a separate point :)
[02:04] <ads20000> mikeymop: If you're on the clean install of Ubuntu 18.04 then that's a known issue and will be fixed when the snap for System Monitor 3.28 is out https://github.com/ubuntu/gtk-communitheme/issues/325#issuecomment-383084532
[02:04] <mikeymop> its strange these differences
[02:04] <mikeymop> I came from f27
[02:05] <mikeymop> hopefully I'll have a better time building aosp here
[02:05] <mikeymop> so the goal is to almost be all snap packages for the gnome apps?
[02:05] <ads20000> mikeymop: We have Android Studio via snap install ubuntu-make
[02:05] <ads20000> mikeymop: tho idk if that's what you're looking for
[02:05] <mikeymop> I install gnome-weather from apt should I use a snap?
[02:05] <ads20000> mikeymop: there's also a separate snap for Android Studio
[02:05] <mikeymop> nooo, aosp build is like 32 packages, I'm good w/ that
[02:05] <mikeymop> do you know if they're bringing back ubuntu-make?
[02:06] <mikeymop> i noticed it was dropped on 1604
[02:06] <mikeymop> well not dropped, but missing a lot of things
[02:06] <ads20000> mikeymop: GNOME upstream have rejected a few snaps but yes Ubuntu want all GNOME apps to be snapped I think (and will make them even if upstream refuses to have them in their repos): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/GNOMESnaps
[02:07] <ads20000> mikeymop: and yeah you'll get 3.30 when it's out (without having to upgrade to 18.10) if you get the snap of it and remove the Deb (though watch that you don't inadvertently remove a meta-package like ubuntu-desktop if you remove Debs...if it's going to do that then just leave the particular Deb installed)
[02:08] <mikeymop> I will be observant as I convert to mostly snaps
[02:08] <mikeymop> I love how easy ubuntu-drivers made everything post install
[02:09] <ads20000> mikeymop: fair. I should probably ask for Polari to be added to that list, I'm talking from the Nightly Flatpak atm (which doesn't update in the background like a snap would, so it's more maintenance)
[02:10] <ads20000> mikeymop: good news is that in 18.04 Flatpaks in Software actually work properly yay
[02:10] <mikeymop> oh polari looks quite nice
[02:10] <mikeymop> I've been using weechat
[02:10] <mikeymop> as in update and dont require an ubuntu account?
[02:10] <mikeymop> those were the two big complaints I read about it
[02:11] <ads20000> mikeymop: store login is not required as of August 2017!! https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/should-we-use-polkit-for-local-auth/1206/21?u=ads20000
[02:11] <mikeymop> nice, 1804 looks be have answered all of the user complaints
[02:13] <ads20000> mikeymop: not really xD snapd's two biggest complaints are the fact that it locks you into Canonical's proprietary store ( https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/external-repositories/1760 ) and that it forces you to update your snaps ( https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/disabling-automatic-refresh-for-snap-from-store/707/ )
[02:13] <mikeymop> i thought you can do user repos in snap
[02:13] <ads20000> mikeymop:  However the devs have thoroughly engaged with critics on those two issues and have kept the topics open
[02:13] <ads20000> mikeymop: no, official policy changed on that a while back, you'd have to fork snapd to make it work (as zyga, a snapd dev, says)
[02:14] <ads20000> mikeymop: or just 'sideload' with --dangerous
[02:14] <ads20000> mikeymop: also not accurate to say that 18.04 answered complaints, snapd is updated on every distro (that supports core re-execs, anyway) when a new version is out
[02:16] <ads20000> mikeymop: I still think snapd is more well-developed and automated than Flatpak but at the cost of centralization (with all its pros and cons)
[02:16] <guiverc> ads20000 fyi: i tried to re-create 1766129 - no issues for me.. (first checkbox pulled up password dialog, delay then normal)
[02:16] <ads20000> mikeymop: fortunately, you can use both!
[02:16] <ads20000> guiverc: cheers :(
[02:17] <ads20000> no idea what could've broken it but I guess I can edit sources.list manually
[02:17] <ads20000> well, tbh I need to test in a plain session, could be an issue exclusive to the communitheme one
[02:37] <mikeymop> yea glad we have so many options!
[02:47] <yousuc> any1 notice an issue with 18.04 and intel cpu/gpu causing machine to hardlock with gnome-shell fault
[02:49] <yousuc> i dont get this issue w/ nvidia gpu, only using the cpu's gpu
[02:53] <mikeymop> do you guys know if the following libs are avail under different names?
[02:53] <mikeymop> libwxgtk2.8-dev'
[02:53] <mikeymop> lib32readline-gplv2-dev
[02:53] <mikeymop> nvm i found em
[03:51] <lotuspsychje> yousuc: xorg or wayland?
[03:54] <yousuc> tried both
[03:55] <yousuc> did hardware tests all came back good
[03:55] <lotuspsychje> yousuc: clean install daily or an upgrade?
[03:55] <yousuc> clean install of latest iso
[03:55] <lotuspsychje> ok good
[03:56] <yousuc> processor is 6700k
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> yousuc: you might wanan check dmesg at intel
[03:56] <yousuc> what i seen in logs was complaining taint in gnome-shell
[03:59] <yousuc> Apr 21 00:18:23 webserv gnome-shell[2326]: Object Clutter.Clone (0x563eebec4770), has been already finalized. Impossible to set any property to it.
[03:59] <yousuc> Apr 21 00:18:23 webserv org.gnome.Shell.desktop[2326]: == Stack trace for context 0x563ee90ef040 ==
[03:59] <yousuc> yy
[03:59] <SlidingHorn> !paste | yousuc 
[03:59] <yousuc> was only going to do 2 lines
[04:00] <yousuc> the third points to tweeny.js
[04:00] <SlidingHorn> yousuc: is 2 lines more than one?
[04:00] <yousuc> yes
[04:00] <SlidingHorn> then use a pastebin.
[04:02] <yousuc> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nQYn5pvfF8/
[06:20] <krytarik> SlidingHorn: Up to 3 lines is usually fine though.
[09:51] <forester> hi. My ubuntu-mate-beta2 sometimes does download something. I have deleted unattended-upgrades. But It still does download something. It is bad when I cannot to manage the OS. What is it? What could I do?
[09:51] <forester> I have a slow internet. And in this situation it is almost impossible to serve the web.
[09:52] <forester> I have disabled the updater.
[09:53] <forester> And I can guess it is not because of browser (certifs and other things). It is a system.
[10:03] <ktechmidas> Real quick question, if I download the beta now is it possible to upgrade to the release in a few days?
[10:07] <Faux> Yes.
[10:07] <ktechmidas> ty :)
[10:17] <ads20000> ktechmidas: in fact, to upgrade to the release after upgrading to 18.04 pre-release, all you have to do is update as normal :)
[11:19] <boboma> Hello. Did something change with visudo? I try to start a program as a different user and therefor set the according options in visudo. Does not work
[11:19] <boboma> Did work with 17.10 though
[11:31] <ads20000> boboma: gksu was removed from Ubuntu in 18.04, not sure if that affects that tho
[11:32] <boboma> Hm. Maybe. So what is the proper way now to do it?
[11:33] <boboma> lets say user zzz wants to start java as user abc. In the past it was like this: zzz ALL=(abc) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/java
[11:34] <boboma> How to do this now?
[14:46] <dreadkopp83> hey guys. anyone managed to get kimchi to install on bionic ?
[14:54] <yousuc> hmm that issue yesterday with hardlock on intel cpu/gpu, turned on secure boot for sheit and giggles and no hardlocks now for almost an hour, normally cant get past 10 minutes without a hardlock
[15:02] <yousuc> well i take that back just hardlocked
[15:15] <DEac-> hi, i search for a shorter description or a name for this problem:  if i move the mouse, the graphics begins to lag (framedrops).  if i stop moving the mouse, everything works fine again.  i want to search for solutions for this problem, but jerky mouse or lag mouse do list totally different problems.
[15:46] <tda> try something about cursor performance
[16:52] <ecw> When I try to transfer files from another computer to user@10.6.1.119 (this laptop), it outputs:   ssh: connect to host 10.6.1.119 port 22: Connection refused
[16:53] <ecw> I am not seeing ssh to turn it on with "systemctl list-unit-files --all"
[16:53] <erle-> maybe incompatible ciphers?
[16:53] <ecw> How can I turn on ssh, or stop this from blocking?
[16:54] <ecw> root@headache:~# ufw status       Status: inactive
[16:55] <ecw> might have found info on the net
[16:55] <nacc> ecw: do you have ssh installed?
[16:56] <ecw> nacc: thought it would be by default, so lemesee
[16:56] <brainwash> you have to install openssh-server manually I think
[16:56] <nacc> ecw: depends on what you installed, of course
[16:56] <nacc> ecw: systemctl would definitely list ssh services if you had it installed
[16:56] <ecw> nacc: Just finished an install; you are right, it's installed ssh now.
[16:58] <ecw> nacc: that got it installed, thanks
[16:59] <nacc> ecw: yw
[17:31] <ecw> Is the release schedule update the right link to read to learn the transition from this beta to release status on the 26th?
[17:32] <nacc> ecw: which 'release schedule update'?
[17:37] <pavlushka> !isitout
[17:40] <korosanbo> Hello, is it safe to uninstall Gnome after installing Cinnammon and using it as my default desktop or are Gnome and Cinnammon too interwined with eachother?
[17:40] <boboma> Hello. Did something change with visudo? I try to start a program as a different user and therefor set the according options in visudo. Does not work.
[17:41] <boboma> Let's say user zzz wants to start java as user abc. In the past it was like this: zzz ALL=(abc) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/java
[17:41] <boboma> But this seems not to work anymore
[17:41] <boboma> what is the right procedure now?
[17:44] <nacc> boboma: what happens?
[17:45] <boboma> It seems it's not possible to use visudo anymore in the scenario when user a wants to run a program as user b
[17:45] <nacc> boboma: ... what do youy mean? you can't open the sudoers file?
[17:45] <boboma> I mean this:
[17:45] <boboma>  zzz ALL=(abc) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/java
[17:45] <nacc> boboma: visudo is just a program to edit /etc/sudoers safely. So what do you mean by 'not possible'
[17:45] <nacc> boboma: are you able to run `visudo` ?
[17:45] <boboma> yes
[17:45] <nacc> boboma: then it is possible.
[17:45] <boboma> but it seems to be ignored
[17:46] <nacc> boboma: does it do what you want? unclear, becuase you haven't said.
[17:46] <boboma> that is what I mean
[17:46] <nacc> boboma: ok, what happens?
[17:46] <boboma> yeah sorry for being unclear
[17:46] <boboma> You see that line. User zzz wants to run a program as user abc so I use visudo to configure that. But it is ignored.
[17:47] <andas> hello
[17:47] <ecw> nacc: Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule
[17:47] <nacc> boboma: what do you mean 'ignored'? Show us with a pastebin
[17:47] <andas> So I have a samsung 4k television (that is my monitor) and have problems with the graphic card
[17:47] <nacc> ecw: ah --- what's your actual question? htat is the schedule, yes
[17:48] <ecw> nacc: Question is what do I need to do for this beta2 install to become 18.04 LTS when it releases?
[17:48] <nacc> ecw: keep it update like any version of ubuntu
[17:48] <nacc> ecw: and beta2 is already out of date, so update it anyways :)
[17:48] <flocculant> :)
[17:49] <nacc> ecw: beta2 is just a point in time
[17:49] <andas> I googled on it but the ubuntuforums not working
[17:49] <boboma> nacc: What I mean with ignored is: I set this via visudo: "zzz ALL=(abc) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/java" Then I want to run "sudo -i -u abc /usr/bin/java -version"
[17:49] <boboma> But the system is asking for the password
[17:49] <andas> my graphics is very strange. low resolution and colors are maybe 256
[17:49] <boboma> it should not do that
[17:50] <boboma> it should run the command
[17:50] <boboma> it used to work like this with ubuntu 17.10
[17:50] <nacc> boboma: are you the zzz user?
[17:50] <boboma> yes
[17:51] <nacc> boboma: check syslog?
[17:51] <boboma> where is this located?
[17:52] <nacc>  /var/log/syslog
[17:52] <boboma> what should i look for?
[17:53] <nacc> boboma: errors?
[17:53] <boboma> well, no errors as far as I can see.
[17:53] <boboma> Does it work for you?
[17:53] <nacc> boboma: not trying, don't have time right now
[17:54] <nacc> boboma: possibly check /var/log/auth.log
[17:54] <boboma> To me it seems that this is broken.
[17:54] <boboma> This would be a critical bug imho
[17:55] <boboma> It says: sudo: pam_unix(sudo:auth): conversation failed
[17:55] <nacc> that would probably be the issue
[17:55] <nacc> dunno what it means
[17:55] <boboma> Seems like a regression to me
[17:56] <nacc> boboma: do either zzz or abc have passwords set?
[17:57] <boboma> zzz has a password
[17:57] <boboma> abc not sure can't remember if I set one
[17:58] <boboma> In any case it used to work until I upgraded to 18.04. 
[17:58] <boboma> Maybe it has to do with the removal of gksu?
[18:05] <boboma> nacc, user abc has a locked password according to passwd
[18:06] <nacc> boboma: i odn't know, you can file a bug against sudo
[18:07] <boboma> hm, I think I will wait until a dev is affected. I don't want to register just to file a report
[18:08] <boboma> I am pretty sure other ppl will experience that as well.
[18:08] <boboma> but thanks for your help pointing to auth.log
[18:08] <nacc> boboma: that's not a great attitude, but whatever
[18:09] <boboma> nacc, well, making ppl register for telling bugs is neither
[18:09] <boboma> *reporting
[18:10] <nacc> boboma: ... sure it is, otherwise how would you keep providing input?
[18:10] <SlidingHorn> boboma: how do you expect developers to help people with their bugs without a way to contact them, etc.
[18:10] <nacc> boboma: and it helps avoid spam
[19:33] <Gegsite> hello
[19:33] <Faux> Hi!
[19:34] <Gegsite> so I was about 2 hours ago as "andras" from my friend, who has the samsung 4K TV vs Ubuntu 18.04 problem. And I'm just curious that Why the hell is that a problem.
[19:34] <Gegsite> He bought a pretty expensive TV (4K res) and the newest ubuntu cant run on it. Probably with the AMD graphic card, but still.
[19:35] <Gegsite> I looked on google for this problem and there is a [solved] topic on ubuntuforums
[19:35] <Gegsite> which is down (server) for god sake
[19:35] <Gegsite> that is like the worst scene scenario
[19:57] <Faux> Gegsite: The reality of the world is that the drivers Ubuntu are allowed to ship on the CD aren't great, and have issues with some real graphics cards.
[19:57] <Faux> You can fix it by installing the crappy manufacturer drivers in most cases.
[19:58] <Gegsite> yeah, but Faux , when booted the live USB installer (nomodeset and acpi off) there was no problem with GPU
[19:58] <Gegsite> so it is very strange (and also pretty f..k up) that the installed system is useless
[19:59] <Faux> Yep. That's an "issue".
[19:59] <Gegsite> I wanted to spread the linux to my friend and failed so hard
[19:59] <Faux> I'm sure a bug report with software version details and hardware details would be appreciated.
[20:00] <Gegsite> I google on it and found a [solved] topic on ubnutuforums.org whis is OFF holy s...t ... everything is against me now
[20:01] <Gegsite> I'm calm now, but that is so mindblowingly bad...
[20:01] <Faux> What made you decide to install a beta on a friends' machine, as their first experience of linux?
[20:01] <Faux> That is not a useful quesiton. I'll show myself out.
[20:02] <Gegsite> last month the same happened with 16.04
[20:02] <Gegsite> and then 16.10
[20:03] <Gegsite> at least now the 18.04 beta worked fine in live mode :D yeah what a progress :)
[20:04] <leftyfb> Gegsite: please watch the (implied) language
[20:04] <Gegsite> he is a very general user. Just watching Youtube and facebook, and some torrent client. wine for a very old windows games so nothing big
[20:06] <Gegsite> My ubuntu works fine, as it should. I recommend to everybody btw.
[20:07] <jmgb4> Anybody using qemu and win10 in uefi?
[20:16] <Gegsite> anyway I'm looking forward to be able to install to my friends PC. Also to see the ubuntuforums.org working (maybe there is a good solution for this issue). Best wishes! Bye
[20:22] <katnip> 3 days!
[20:30] <kiroma> Does this channel cover flavors?
[20:33] <nacc> kiroma: official ones, yes
[20:34] <kiroma> I've been having issues with running Kubuntu on proprietary nvidia drivers, as the greeter makes screen of my laptop go black.
[20:35] <kiroma> Open Source drivers and running on Intel works fine, but I can't get nvidia to work correctly it seems.
[20:45] <yeats> kiroma: try to rule out the possibility that wayland is involved - I haven't used kubuntu in recent years, so I don't know whether that would be an issue or not
[20:47] <brainwash> kiroma: bug 1764005
[20:47] <kiroma> Oh okay, thanks.
[20:55] <kiroma> Aaand it's fixed
[20:55] <kiroma> Nice
[21:55] <flying_sausages> ayo, php5 discontinued in ubuntu 18.04?
[21:56] <flying_sausages> NOT PUBLISHED?
[21:56] <flying_sausages> caps
[21:57] <nacc> flying_sausages: ... not since 16.04
[21:58] <flying_sausages> not in the loop ha sorry
[21:58] <nacc> flying_sausages: 18.04 has php7.2
[23:50] <ekennedy80> Does anyone know why Netbeans (located in the software repo) no longer works on Ubuntu 18.04?
[23:53] <gregl> ekennedy80,  This article shows how to install it..  https://websiteforstudents.com/how-to-install-netbeans-on-ubuntu-16-04-17-10-18-04/
[23:54] <ekennedy80> So I should install it using Netbeans' install script and not the Netbeans in the Ubuntu software repo?
[23:56] <nacc> ekennedy80: it's because of java changes
[23:56] <nacc> ekennedy80: our netbeans is too old for the current java
[23:57] <nacc> there are bugs filed for it in launchpad
[23:58] <ekennedy80> I've changed the Java to JDK8 and still doesn't start
[23:58] <nacc> ekennedy80: netbeans also may need patching
[23:58] <nacc> dunno, i dug into it a bit, but it's not obvious
[23:58] <ekennedy80> It just sits there loading modules and then just disappears
[23:58] <ekennedy80> It is def not obvious
[23:58] <nacc> ekennedy80: yes that's a different bug
[23:59] <nacc> also filed in debian
[23:59] <nacc> so it's known
[23:59] <ekennedy80> okay cool
[23:59] <ekennedy80> I've been troubleshooting it without any success