[00:00] Is there a way to send files via bluetooth from my phone to my computer yet? The power is out where I am and I don't have my "charge 'n's' sync" cord with me lol. If you reply, please ping me. [02:16] [Edit] Is there a way to send files via bluetooth from my phone to my computer yet? The power is out where I am and I don't have my "charge 'n' sync" cord with me lol. If you reply, please ping me. [04:44] @amolith, bluetooth file transfer app. pair the devices first, then send files one by one. selecting multiple files works, but sending them fails for me [05:37] Is facilitate access for disabled people? [06:01] aside from some ui elements being huge by default, no [06:01] maybe install falcon launcher and set extra big icons [06:37] for some reason the messaging app does not show any messages anymore after update from a canonical image to ubports. The only log I found so far is a message in dmesg which makes no sense: [28980.687053] type=1400 audit(1524551678.738:142): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="messaging-app" name="/home/phablet/.local/share/libertine/ContainersConfig.json" pid=21234 comm="messaging-app" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=32 [06:37] 011 ouid=32011 [06:46] ZeroPointEnergy42 was added by: ZeroPointEnergy42 [07:23] @ZeroPointEnergy42, Hi Andreas, welcome. See https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started [07:40] Georg Simon was added by: Georg Simon [07:57] @advocatux thx. I'm already in the channel over IRC, but finally created a telegram account so I can see the history if the client disconnects 😉 [08:00] @ZeroPointEnergy42, Yep, I saw your alias but I didn't want to deprive you of a proper welcoming 😉 [08:01] @Georg Simon, HI Georg, welcome. Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed [10:18] maxvanceffer was added by: maxvanceffer === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [10:58] Can't install on Fairphone 2. … I use ubports-installer_0.1.12-beta_amd64.deb on Ubuntu. … All works fine until I'm asked to reboot to recovery. I do so and nothing else happens. … After a while my Fairphone shows a recovery menu and on my computer I still can see the installer message "error: device not found" again and again. [10:58] … Please help [11:08] @Georg Simon, Try on different usb ports and different cables [11:17] For fairphone I had to start the installer with sudo, and select the device manually [11:19] @opendata, I have been daily user for about 1.5 years [11:20] @dohbee, This indeed - you will not regret today, and you will regret less tomorrow... [11:21] I am facing a Problem … I saw in a docs of Halium there written that 3.1.0 kernel need … But I have 3.0.31 😔 so I can't build Ubuntu Touch [11:21] !!!!!!! === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [11:28] @maxvanceffer, Hi Maxim, welcome. See https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started [11:28] Anyone else had the problem that the messaging app did not show any messages, new and old after migration to the ubports image? I still reveice sms, but the message app shows nothing. [11:28] Anyone has any idea where it stores the data? [11:44] @ZeroPointEnergy42, Are you talking about SMS? Those are in `.local/share/history-service/history.sqlite` [11:47] ah thanks. yes that was exactly what I was looking for [11:49] 👍 [11:51] Hey folks. Quick FYI: Indeed the Arabic group was accidentally closed down (user error) and we are rebuilding the group soon. We are also looking for a 'Language Captain' immediately: someone who can simply be present in the group and speak the language. PM me if you can help. [11:56] @YougoChats, Yes, I remember remember that now. Thank you! [11:56] goloka was added by: goloka [12:38] @vince1171, Wifi is ez to port [13:07] Welcome @goloka!!! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started, we have language groups available. [13:14] @YougoChats, there are a few caveats to that: filetranfer works from Ubuntu desktop. Not from Windows (10) in my experience. Also with Ubuntu it wont work on 16.04 (yet) [13:15] to that point: is Michael Zanneti still maintaining that? [13:18] I dont have Windows, so I wouldnt know🤷🏻‍♂️ on my Ubuntu (16.ish through 17.10) I havent seen any problems, other than the multiple files thing. [13:19] I meant with a 16.04 Ubuntu phone :) [13:20] Well dont have that either🤷🏻‍♂️ [13:21] But almost no apps work on that because they all need to be recompiled [13:23] ok, so I removed the old history.sql database and let it create a new one. It seems there are differences in the schema .. 😲 is there a way to migrate to the new schema? Can't find a bug about this, very strange. Can't be that I'm the only one affected by this [13:25] @YougoChats, I am seeing improvements on that though. Some apps do, some apps dont. [13:27] Are people actively recompiling their apps or do things work by accident? [13:28] The answer is both I guess😁 [13:28] some work by accident. I get the sense that for instance straight up qml apps do not have much problems [13:32] (Photo, 400x600) https://irc.ubports.com/4SoX1ueu.png [13:32] that about sums it up yeah :) [13:45] hey friends xperia x is part of ASOP by sony, so does that make is easy to port. [13:53] You've done it? Great! [13:53] 😹😹😹 [14:14] @YougoChats, Well, I guess if they were re-compiled and published in the store, those apps would then be broken on 15.04 upon installing the update. So I hope that's not happening yet. [14:19] @dohbee, So you are saying that all apps need to be recompiled to their specific platform and none will work on another target platform? cause that doesnt appear to be so in all cases.. [14:20] There is early support in the OpenStore for double version (one for xenial one for vivid) [14:20] @matv1, No. I didn't say all anywhere in that post. [14:21] Hmm a conundrum indeed. I did read some discussion of changing the Open Store to differentiate or keep separate stores/repos depending on how a device identifies. [14:21] okay - i knew i was going to regret telling you what you said- :) [14:21] There are a lot of variables of course. Webapps and pure QML apps obviously don't need recompiled, because there is nothing to compile [14:21] Any apps with native code will need recompiling. Pure QML apps don't need recompiling (but might need changes). [14:22] Only apps that link to certain things in Qt or use C++ STL, need recompiled really. Or apps that might link to Mir directly such as some of the SDL apps [14:23] @ZeroPointEnergy42, I don't know what you are trying to do exactly, but I have copied `.local/share/history-service/history.sqlite` many times between devices and it works. It's a good idea to REBOOT the device after that [14:24] I see [14:25] (Sticker, 512x384) https://irc.ubports.com/52r0gM16.webp [14:26] you wish [14:27] I do. I really do [14:28] @TronFortyTwo, So how does that work? for the openstore to be able to deliver the correct app for the correct platform, it would have to know what platform is being connected from. Is it regestering that? [14:29] I suppose it works by looking at the framework the app supports [14:29] ubuntu-sdk-15.04 vs ubuntu-sdk-16.04 [14:29] well, there is no 16.04 framework yet is there? [14:29] @dohbee, Is there [14:29] Yeah there is now afaik [14:30] and that's a static declaration in the manifest.json, not dynamic. [14:30] hmm [14:34] @DanChapman, who maintains that? [14:41] @advocatux, I previously had a canonical image on the device. It seems that there are differences in the schema of the file compared to what ubports uses. So I copied the old sqlite file away and let it create a new one. [14:41] @ZeroPointEnergy42, there shouldn't be. i'm pretty sure nothing's changed there [14:41] When I do a 'echo ".dump" | sqlite3 ../history-service_old/history.sqlite | sqlite3 history.sqlite' I get errors like "Error: near line 16: table threads has 8 columns but 7 values were supplied" [14:42] @matv1, maintains what exactly? [14:42] @ZeroPointEnergy42, Don't dump the DDBB, just copy the whole file [14:42] @ZeroPointEnergy42, [Edit] Don't dump the DB, just copy the whole file [14:43] @DanChapman, well the framework itself [14:43] @advocatux, If I place the old file there the message app stays empty and it can't even store new messages [14:44] @matv1, "everyone" i guess. the "framework" file is just an empty file installed in the ubuntu-sdk-libs "metapackage" [14:44] @ZeroPointEnergy42 do you reboot the device? [14:44] yes [14:46] Also it obviously did not work after the migration that is why I had to look at it in the first place. That file never worked with the ubports image but it did with that from canonical [14:47] I don't know. I have copied that file between "old" UT devices, from "old" UT to UBports devices, between UBports devices... no problem [14:48] It works even in 16.04 [14:53] @ZeroPointEnergy42 how are you copying that file? who is the owner and what are the permissions of .local/share/history-service/history.sqlite ? [14:54] here is the full schema diff https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wkJHgwbc63/ [14:55] @dohbee, @matv1 yeah this ^^ . You can see the list of frameworks here https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch-meta/tree/xenial/frameworks click-reviewers-tools was also updated to allow the 16.04 frameworks. [14:55] I did not copy the file initially. I updated to ubports and the data partition staid the same [14:55] We should probably drop some of those mega old frameworks on xenial. I think they all are still getting installed [14:55] the file was already there with the same permitions as it had with the canonical image [14:56] @ZeroPointEnergy42, curious. what channel are you on exactly? [14:56] I only copied it away so that it would automatically create a new one and work again [14:56] on the stable channel [14:56] @DanChapman, i'm not sure that's correct [14:59] Should I open a bug report? It's a bit strange that no one else ever ran into this issue [15:00] yes i think you probably should [15:01] ok, will do. thx [15:05] @ZeroPointEnergy42 yes you should but keep in mind messaging-app doesn't have a maintaner … https://github.com/ubports/messaging-app/issues/1 [15:05] the issue isn't in messaging-app [15:05] it's in history-service [15:06] Ah, thank you! [15:07] I thought it's part of that app [15:13] @Wiz, echo sta > /sys/module/wlan/parameters/fwpath … make halium freeze —' [15:16] nice news [15:18] if you aren't on the News Channel, you are missing big news now. Here is a link to subscribe:https://t.me/ubports_news [15:19] (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/9GGZAqkK.webp [15:25] I know @marius but who is this Ricardo Mendoza never heard or seen him in ubports community updates?? [15:26] Ricardo is one of the earliest developers working on Ubuntu Touch, before it was even public knowledge. [15:26] @popeydc, Oh... Nice to Know that.. is he in this group?? [15:29] i don't think he's in the telegram group. he might be in irc [15:34] What is the status on OTA 3? Haven't checked in in a few months [15:35] ota 3 was released months ago [15:36] @Danjreynolds, Was released in time for Xmas [15:38] Great and anywhere I can go to see progress on https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/android-apps-on-ubuntu-touch-with-anbox-77 [15:39] join the news group, from the link in the pinned message in this group [15:40] and you can watch it for news [15:44] https://puri.sm/posts/ubports-ubuntu-touch-on-librem5-collaboration/ [15:44] Yeahh [15:44] Nice [15:44] :) [15:45] (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/ENw8Tr9X.webp [15:46] Great news about collaboration with Purism! [15:47] Excellent ! [15:49] @Sconio, finally ;) [15:52] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/y3IvpBMk.mp4 [16:06] spread the good news ^_^ [16:07] now more than ever we will need able hands to help with enablement and core development 👍 [16:48] Question for BQ aquaris M10 owners: … What is the difference between the HD and FHD version beyond the screen? … I ordered a FHD ubuntu edition but received a HD android version. The website and the purchase receipt clearly state FHD ubuntu edition. … Just checking how cheated I am, and considering how much work I’m going to put [16:48] in to getting either the FHD version as advertised or my money back [16:53] Talk to the store and have them fix it. [16:54] @YougoChats, I don't have it, but besides the screen there's like 100 Mhz clock diffrence on the CPU/GPU between the 2 versions.... [17:09] https://twitter.com/Puri_sm/status/988796338237333505?s=19 [17:09] Whoa [17:16] that 'wooah' is pinned in the news channel ;) [17:16] you should subscribe [17:16] i guess our news channel takes the fun of discovery out ;) [17:17] gomes_fdr was added by: gomes_fdr [17:19] @gomes_fdr, Hi Fabiano, welcome nice guy! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started [17:24] How well does the Bq M10 work with ubuntu [17:26] Very well albeit 16GB is rather cramped so I recommend a maximum size SD card (that's 64GB) and avoiding bloated apps to mitigate that. And regular terminal management to ensure e.g. you don't have a redundant copy of a big .mp4 file. [19:17] @S31BZ, WOW great [19:18] i m not a programmer but can i port ubuntu touch [19:19] have you ever ported any android ROM ever? [19:19] @dohbee, No [19:21] then it will probably prove quite difficult to port UT [19:26] ah! okay [19:39] Is there a way to get the stable Version oft dekko? :-/ [19:39] the version in the store is stable [19:41] I only See dekko 2 there and it doesnt really work - and it says its Experimental? [19:41] does it @DanChapman ? [19:44] Ah, i managed to receive an Email :-) But still interested to hear Wether its experimental or not! [19:46] @Fabian, It is described in OpenStore as a work in progress, though frankly that is true of any app [19:57] Ok, i was just alarmed by the word experimental... … Thank you guys! [20:09] @YougoChats I think the processor was better on the fhd one too, was yours the white one? [20:10] No. It’s a regular black HD Android version [20:10] The black one should be the fhd [20:11] The HD has 1.3 MHz, FHD has 1,5 MHz, mine has 1,3 MHz [20:11] Also it has 1280p, not 1920p [20:13] Overall there’s not too much difference, besides the screen obviously [20:13] Aw, was it a better price at least? [20:14] €150 which is a good price either way, but still it has FHD specs on the website, so that’s the the specs I paid for [20:16] I already called customer service, and they have two days to sort things out with the distributor and then will contact me. [20:16] Yep, I think it was enough diffrence to be worth having the fhd [20:17] I have 30 days to return the device, so I have time [20:17] I just can’t play with it now yet😔 [20:18] Why is there no news about ubports on omgubuntu page? [20:18] Odd... [20:20] Nah I've noticed he hasn't been reporting much on the phone stuff [20:20] Joey Sneddon has an ever-growing list of things he won’t write about because drama😙 [20:22] He has written about various Linux-on-devices, carefully not mentioning UT or Ubports [20:23] drama? i thought it was "omg ubuntu" not "linux sucks" [20:24] That’s it I’m moving to […] [20:28] Can someone add Phoronix post about ubport and purism on forum? I cannot login to ubport at the moment... [20:28] https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1163/purism-and-ubports-officially-collaborate/2 [20:29] https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Touch-Librem-5 [20:29] Thanks [20:30] @kristijantkalec, well, it all started with stuff like this: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/01/shooting-the-messenger [20:30] People got mad at him over social network [20:31] @ixavier, Thanks for the reply. I know about the history between ubports and omgubuntu. I just hoped that jurnalism should be objective... [20:32] But oh well... [20:32] It was a complicated time back then... [20:32] objective?? journalism??? c'mon [20:33] but I think he got some wounds after all [20:33] Well the idea of telling the news. Not the opinion 😃 [20:33] It's ok, we still have Phoronix, softpedia, etc [20:34] But, lets wait to see the purism and ubports news. He made a article talking about librem 5, so... [20:34] I agree, let's wait and see [20:38] hi [20:38] Yeah, I remember a guy being pretty rude with him on G+ [20:38] Is there a black bootscreen available of UBPorts for fairphone 2? [20:41] I'm trying to decide what kind of touch screen would work with ubuntu -- perhaps I need to consider particular chipsets [20:41] this is maybe not the right forum though, but I suspected maybe more experience here with the touch screens [20:42] this channel is about ubuntu on phones. for support with ubuntu on PCs, please go to #ubuntu [20:43] ubptgbot, ok -sorry ... but that's interesting though -- ehm.. which OS should I use for tablet arm devices? [20:43] i'm green on the difference between a tablet and a phone these days [20:43] and a pc :( [20:43] well, phones/tablets [20:44] ie https://ubuntu-touch.io [20:44] ok -- so if I order a device with android and arm... I could potentially install ubports [20:44] sorry ubuntu-touch [20:45] I was thinking of choosing a tablet / android device rather than a pc -- because they are cheaper first of all and lower power [20:45] a port would need to be done if it's not an already supported device [20:45] well, the batteries are also much smaller, so if you use it like a regular PC all day, the battery won't last long [20:47] yeah -- it's actually a kind of thing I would have plugged in all day... going to do some POC work for a touch data display on a boat. [20:47] it does not require cpu much power at all --- but would like python maybe kiwi widget library or gtk [20:48] *much cpu [20:49] apps built for ubuntu touch are built on qt [20:49] ok great to know [20:49]