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| vlt | Hello. On MATE I switched from 16.04 to 18.04 and found a regression in the volume control. The master slider only has an effect when pulling it to "0" (which seems to enable "mute"), any higher value causes -0 dB attenuation on my output. | 06:53 |
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| lotuspsychje | vlt: as in upgrade? | 06:53 |
| vlt | The volume sliders in the "applications" tab work. | 06:53 |
| vlt | lotuspsychje: No, fresh install, same hardware. | 06:53 |
| lotuspsychje | vlt: ok, have you doublechecked !sound | 06:54 |
| * vlt will | 06:54 | |
| lotuspsychje | vlt: perhaps also a pavucontrol testing | 06:55 |
| vlt | lotuspsychje: Thank you. | 06:55 |
| katnip | does this +1 channel cover all the flavors till thursday? | 08:02 |
| katnip | what is shim signed and does it require a reboot? | 10:25 |
| stickyboy | I'm doing some due dilligence, testing some of my deployment scripts against Ubuntu 18.04, and I notice that there's something weird going on with maven's Java dependencies. | 13:17 |
| stickyboy | I'm kinda lost in the depends and provides loop, trying to figure out if it's an error or if I should report it. | 13:18 |
| stickyboy | I want to use openjdk-8-jre-headless. The tomcat8-common package is ok with this, but maven seems to always pull in Java 10. | 13:18 |
| stickyboy | Ah, openjdk-8-jre-headless provides java7-runtime-headless, and maven depends on java7-runtime-headless. | 13:29 |
| stickyboy | So it must be one of maven's dependencies that is pulling in Java 10. | 13:30 |
| ekennedy80 | which version of maven? | 13:30 |
| stickyboy | ekennedy80: System default maven, currently 3.5.2-2. | 13:36 |
| ekennedy80 | from the maven project: "Maven 3.3+ require JDK 1.7 or above to execute " | 13:54 |
| ekennedy80 | I don't think Java 10 is a direct dependancy | 13:54 |
| stickyboy | ekennedy80: Yeah, it's an Ubuntu dependency issue. :) | 14:05 |
| stickyboy | I think something changed in the last two weeks, because I had been testing this recently and it worked. | 14:05 |
| stickyboy | And according to `aptitude why openjdk-11-jre-headless` I see maven indeed is the one that pulled in openjdk-11-jre-headless, despite it depending on: default-jre-headless (>= 2:1.7) | java7-runtime-headless | 14:07 |
| stickyboy | And openjdk-8-jre-headless actually provides java7-runtime-headless, so that should suffice. | 14:07 |
| stickyboy | Must be a bug. | 14:07 |
| nacc | stickyboy: what did you specify to install? | 14:08 |
| nacc | stickyboy: you have to specify explicitly openjdk-8-jre-headless, or it will use 11 | 14:08 |
| stickyboy | nacc: I installed openjdk-8-jdk-headless (JDK) which depends on openjdk-8-jre-headless (JRE) which provides java7-runtime-headless. | 14:10 |
| nacc | stickyboy: right, but your default jre is 11 | 14:10 |
| stickyboy | nacc, but I'm installing openjdk-8-jdk-headless manually. | 14:11 |
| nacc | stickyboy: to get maven to use java8 probably requires you to update-alternatives at a minimum | 14:11 |
| stickyboy | Err, explicitly. | 14:11 |
| nacc | stickyboy: so? | 14:11 |
| nacc | stickyboy: what does `java -version` say? | 14:11 |
| stickyboy | Wait, but first, doesn't this mean a logical OR for maven's depends: default-jre-headless (>= 2:1.7) | java7-runtime-headless | 14:12 |
| stickyboy | I don't want to have to install Java 8 and Java 10 and then update-alternatives. The openjdk-8-jre-headless satisfies maven's dependency. That's why I think there's a packaging bug. | 14:13 |
| nacc | it means either of those packages provide the necessary dependency for that stanza | 14:13 |
| nacc | it doesn't mean if you pick one or the other that's what the package will use | 14:13 |
| nacc | since default-jre-headless is probalby *also* installed | 14:14 |
| stickyboy | nacc: Right, I'm not talking about what maven will use. | 14:14 |
| stickyboy | I'm talking about maven pulling in Java 11. | 14:14 |
| nacc | then I don't know what you're talking about stickyboy | 14:14 |
| nacc | stickyboy: what was the explicit apt-get line you used? | 14:14 |
| stickyboy | apt install openjdk-8-jdk-headless maven | 14:14 |
| nacc | stickyboy: ok ... read the dependencies again and read what you wrote again | 14:17 |
| nacc | jdk vs. jre | 14:17 |
| stickyboy | nacc: JDK pulls in JRE, and the JRE satisfies the java7-runtime-headless dependency of maven. | 14:18 |
| nacc | hrm, that may not be it | 14:18 |
| stickyboy | :) | 14:18 |
| nacc | stickyboy: when i try to run it, i don't get any reference to 11 | 14:18 |
| stickyboy | Totally a bug. Now I know I'm not crazy. | 14:18 |
| nacc | also default-jre is 10 in ubuntu | 14:18 |
| stickyboy | nacc: Ok, let me do one more thing: lemme clean up my apt sources. | 14:18 |
| nacc | stickyboy: oh i do see it pulling in default-jre-headless, though | 14:19 |
| stickyboy | I'm running through my normal Ansible provisioning scripts for our stack. The same ones I've been using since 12.04, 14,04, 16.04, etc. | 14:19 |
| stickyboy | BTW there's definitely something brewing with Java versions in Ubuntu 18.04: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2018-February/004275.html | 14:19 |
| stickyboy | And this was working two weeks ago. | 14:20 |
| nacc | yes, we will be SRUing in newer versions | 14:20 |
| stickyboy | Awesome, you're "we" (Ubuntu). :P | 14:20 |
| stickyboy | Basically, I want to run Tomcat 8 with OpenJDK 8. It was working two weeks ago when I first started porting our playbooks. The app was running. | 14:21 |
| stickyboy | I technically don't mind if Java 11 is sitting there unused on the system, though it seems erroneous and wasteful if I have Java 8 and did not explicitly pull in Java 11. | 14:22 |
| stickyboy | I know we have to take pre-releases with a grain of salt, too, so I usually just wait a few days and apt update and try again. | 14:22 |
| stickyboy | Hold that thought, BRB. | 14:26 |
| stickyboy | I'm back, nacc, if you're still around. | 14:46 |
| nacc | stickyboy: ack, although i'm on the phone | 14:47 |
| nacc | stickyboy: i'm trying to see why default-jre-headless is getting pulled in, it's some other dep, i think | 14:48 |
| stickyboy | No problem. | 14:48 |
| nacc | stickyboy: intersting | 14:49 |
| nacc | i installed opejdk-8-jdk-headless first | 14:50 |
| nacc | then maven | 14:50 |
| nacc | and it dtrt | 14:50 |
| nacc | so it seems like, possibly a bug in apt? | 14:50 |
| nacc | let me ask around | 14:50 |
| stickyboy | nacc: What's 'dtrt'? | 14:54 |
| stickyboy | Typo or ubuntu dev slang? :P | 14:54 |
| nacc | do the right thing | 14:55 |
| stickyboy | Ah ok. | 14:55 |
| stickyboy | Ah, you're right. If I install opejdk-8-jdk-headless first then maven does not pull in Java 11. | 14:58 |
| stickyboy | nacc: ^ | 14:59 |
| nacc | stickyboy: ack, i'm arguing with the dev | 14:59 |
| stickyboy | LOL | 14:59 |
| stickyboy | nacc: Also, I just purged everything and tried with aptitude. It does the right thing. | 15:02 |
| nacc | stickyboy: strange | 15:04 |
| nacc | stickyboy: ok, so this seems to be one of those thing sthat 'can happen' -- you can look for apt bugs on it, or you can just use the workaround i suggested, which shoiuld always work | 15:07 |
| stickyboy | nacc: Yeah, I'm already adding a workaround in my Ansible playbooks so that openjdk-8-jdk-headless is installed first in a separate transaction. | 15:08 |
| nacc | stickyboy: yep, that should always be safe, and resolves the dependency tree outside of the single command | 15:08 |
| nacc | which was probably just 'ahppening' to work in older releases where java8 was the only option | 15:08 |
| stickyboy | Thanks for helping me track it down. | 15:09 |
| nacc | stickyboy: np | 15:09 |
| nacc | stickyboy: sorry for dismissing it as PEBCAK at first :) | 15:09 |
| nacc | tbh, java in 18.04 appears to be a mess | 15:09 |
| nacc | stickyboy: apt developer says they can't find the bug, so if you do want to file one, that'd be great -- it's definitely an unexpected behavior | 15:09 |
| boboma | hello. i filed a bug on launchpad. how can i set it as a regression bug? | 15:10 |
| nacc | boboma: as in an update to an existing release? | 15:10 |
| nacc | boboma: there are no 'regressions' in bionic, because it hasn't release yet | 15:11 |
| nacc | *released | 15:11 |
| boboma | a regression between 17.10 and 18.04 | 15:11 |
| nacc | there's an sru-regression (or regression-update) tag | 15:12 |
| nacc | but not sure if there is one for releases | 15:12 |
| boboma | hm. ok. how long does it usually take until somebody responds to bug reports? | 15:13 |
| boboma | i mean the maintainer of the program that has the bug for example | 15:13 |
| stickyboy | nacc: I could be inclined to file a bug about the apt dependency issue. Never done it for Ubuntu, though. Is it through Launchpad? | 15:14 |
| nacc | stickyboy: yes | 15:20 |
| nacc | boboma: ... often there is not 'the maintainer' | 15:20 |
| nacc | boboma: and it depends on the package involved | 15:20 |
| nacc | stickyboy: ok, got more clarifcation | 15:21 |
| nacc | you can hold off on the bug | 15:21 |
| nacc | it is what i said originally | 15:21 |
| nacc | you need to specify the jre explicitly | 15:21 |
| nacc | if you don't, the dependency resolution order is undefined | 15:22 |
| nacc | ith appened to be ok for you before, because probably there was only 8 | 15:22 |
| nacc | and 8 happened to be the default | 15:22 |
| stickyboy | nacc: Ok. | 15:22 |
| sveinse | What is the pratical difference between running docker via apt vs via snap ? | 15:23 |
| sveinse | What would you choose? | 15:25 |
| nacc | stickyboy: so the 'right' way is to specify openjdk-8-jre-headless rather than jdk-headless, i think | 15:25 |
| nacc | stickyboy: and confirmd, no 11 instllation | 15:25 |
| nacc | sveinse: practical? not much i'd assume. docker snap will update more frequently | 15:27 |
| stickyboy | nacc: I need JDK though. :) | 15:54 |
| nacc | stickyboy: ok, but not for maven itself | 15:55 |
| nacc | stickyboy: so then you'd also install that separately (i think) (or it could be on the same line as maven, but it doesn't have to dow ith maven) | 15:55 |
| stickyboy | nacc: Ah, I see this does work: apt install openjdk-8-jre-headless openjdk-8-jdk-headless maven | 15:56 |
| stickyboy | Because I guess it happens in the same transaction. | 15:56 |
| nacc | stickyboy: right, that's what i was saying before (the only bit that matters is the first and last packages) | 15:57 |
| nacc | openjdk-8-jdk-headless is an entirely separate package tree | 15:57 |
| stickyboy | nacc: Logically, though, openjdk-8-jdk-headless brings in openjdk-8-jre-headless, which satisfies maven's dependencies. | 15:58 |
| stickyboy | So that's frustrating. :P | 15:58 |
| nacc | stickyboy: as I said, it's about "when" dependencies are resolved | 15:59 |
| nacc | stickyboy: apt doesn't go to that level of recursion, I think | 15:59 |
| stickyboy | Yah, that's a hard problem to solve. | 16:00 |
| stickyboy | I don't mind working around it. | 16:00 |
| stickyboy | Like you said, though, I never ran into this before because I was already using Java 8. | 16:00 |
| nacc | well, because java 8 was the defeault | 16:01 |
| nacc | so you actually were installing a second pacakge (default-jre) | 16:01 |
| nacc | it just happened to be the same as what you wanted | 16:01 |
| stickyboy | I was using Oracle (!) Java actually, but yes. | 16:01 |
| stickyboy | Enough with Oracle binary crap. | 16:01 |
| stickyboy | Open source, reproducible packages for the mf win. | 16:02 |
| Volkodav | I've made a partial upgrade and it now starts without X, startx logs me in Gnome session and I can't figure how can I get to my login screen so I can log in XFCE session which I normally run | 16:07 |
| Volkodav | logout kills X again and gets me to tty1 | 16:08 |
| brainwash | Volkodav: sudo systemctl start lightdm | 16:19 |
| brainwash | or gdm3 (maybe without the 3) | 16:19 |
| BionicMac | join #nextcloud | 16:34 |
| sveinse | if I install docker with snap, how do I setup access for a user? I notice that there is no /var/lib/docker* nor is there a docker user/group to add oneself to, so I'm kinda stuck what to do next | 16:48 |
| tda | whts the default filesystem in bionic? | 16:58 |
| nacc | tda: ext4 | 16:59 |
| tda | nacc: still? thanks | 16:59 |
| nacc | tda: ... why would it change? | 17:00 |
| tda | a few other distros switched over to xfs. i usually use it to due to it just working and generally having fewer problems | 17:02 |
| nacc | tda: ext4 also 'just works' and ... I can't remember the last time I had a filesystem problem on Linux | 17:02 |
| nacc | tda: xfs is great for large files, but historically had issues with small files (which is the much more common case on desktops) | 17:02 |
| nacc | tda: in any case, I don't think there is any driving impetus to move to anything else | 17:03 |
| donofrio | (I use ntfs - I'll go back to mute) | 17:03 |
| nacc | lol | 17:03 |
| tda | lol | 17:03 |
| tda | anyone try flash friendly? | 17:03 |
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| pepermuntjes | hi | 19:48 |
| pepermuntjes | how do i hide the firefox top bar? | 19:48 |
| tda | file, edit, view, etc...? | 19:48 |
| pepermuntjes | why does the gnome software center installs another version of firefox (the snap one) | 19:53 |
| pepermuntjes | why is there no vlc in apt? | 20:03 |
| SlidingHorn | pepermuntjes: there is - https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/vlc | 20:05 |
| pepermuntjes | thanks, forgot to enable that repo | 20:05 |
| pepermuntjes | whats better from repo or snap package? | 20:05 |
| SlidingHorn | pepermuntjes: honestly, I think it's subjective. I'm not really up-to-speed on the whole snap idea, which may contribute to what disdain I do have for it... | 20:06 |
| nacc | pepermuntjes: you forgot to enable the ubuntu repo? | 20:07 |
| SlidingHorn | nacc: universe | 20:07 |
| nacc | pepermuntjes: ah, so not a default install | 20:07 |
| pepermuntjes | doing some testing using a live disk on a virtual machine | 20:08 |
| en1gma | if i install ubuntu 18.04 "freeze" will there be anything different from the 18.04 LTS coming out tomorrow? | 21:34 |
| SlidingHorn | !final | en1gma maybe a couple small bug fixes | 21:38 |
| ubottu | en1gma maybe a couple small bug fixes: If you install a development version of Ubuntu Bionic and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of 18.04 when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade » in a terminal. | 21:38 |
| en1gma | ok. gonna grab a daily build then "Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (Bionic Beaver) Daily Build" | 21:42 |
| en1gma | will the software updater to tell me to do it also? | 21:43 |
| SlidingHorn | en1gma: I'm don't know if there would be any notification if you're already running the beta | 21:45 |
| SlidingHorn | s/I'm/I * | 21:46 |
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| ayee | For some reason the hidraw kernel module isn't loaded on the VM I'm running. I can't figure out why. I can see hidraw compile flag was set to yes, but lsmod doesn't show hidraw. I'm on bionic latest, with the latest updates, etc | 22:23 |
| ayee | Is the latest bionic kernel missing the hidraw kernel module? | 22:23 |
| hggdh | ayee: I cannot see this module on the current an previous kernels | 22:38 |
| ayee | hggdh: The weird thing is this: ➜ /boot cat config-4.15.0-19-generic|grep -i hidraw; uname -r CONFIG_HIDRAW=y 4.15.0-19-generic | 22:42 |
| ayee | It seems like it gets compiled in? | 22:42 |
| Guest57550 | Hi all, the unstable release broke my computer :P | 22:47 |
| Guest57550 | More specifically, I suspend my Kubuntu 18.04 RC 1 install on actual hardware, resume it, and my trackpad goes totally nuts. Touches respond erratically and also type gibberish into any focused text field. | 22:49 |
| hggdh | ayee: doesn't that mean it is compiled *in* the kernel? | 22:49 |
| hggdh | ayee: as opposed to CONFIG_HIDRAW=m | 22:49 |
| hggdh | ayee: yes, it is built in the kernel, not as a module | 22:50 |
| kus | will I automatically get the latest gnome if I upgrade from 17.10 to 18.04? Is there a way to upgrade "cleanly"? I have multiple accounts on this computer and would prefer to not reformat and reinstall if possible. I am on artful 17.10 at the moment. Thanks | 22:50 |
| hggdh | kus: you will get (mostly) Gnome 3.28 | 22:52 |
| hggdh | oh, even evolution is 3.28 | 22:53 |
| kus | oh wow nice | 22:54 |
| kus | but I have learned to never ever enter my google information in evolution. #neveragain | 22:54 |
| hggdh | heh | 22:54 |
| kus | It fills up all usable memory with all my useless Google junk | 22:54 |
| kus | I mean yeah I should clean up my Google account but I am lazy | 22:55 |
| valorie | Guest57550: have you filed a bug report? | 23:03 |
| valorie | `ubuntu-bug packagename` in the commandline from the computer that gets the problem | 23:04 |
| valorie | packagename will be synaptic or libinput *I think* | 23:04 |
| valorie | apt policy synaptic (or apt-cache policy) will tell you if that is installed | 23:05 |
| Guest57550 | Well, the computer is out of commission :P | 23:06 |
| Guest57550 | I can boot in recovery mode but if I try to enable networking it also starts Xorg | 23:06 |
| valorie | and? | 23:07 |
| Guest57550 | and I can't type any more because I don't have libinput or networking :P | 23:07 |
| valorie | oh | 23:07 |
| Guest57550 | so I can't reinstall it | 23:07 |
| valorie | hmmm | 23:07 |
| valorie | you should be able to reinstall..... | 23:07 |
| Guest57550 | Yeah, I thought the package would be cached at least | 23:07 |
| Guest57550 | but no dice | 23:08 |
| valorie | did you have problems before with this machine? | 23:08 |
| valorie | I don't recall anyone mentioning such a problem before | 23:08 |
| Guest57550 | There's variations on it in the bug tracker already, some of which are quite old | 23:09 |
| Guest57550 | It's a Thinkpad X1 Yoga 2018 | 23:09 |
| valorie | strangeness | 23:09 |
| valorie | what happens when you try to reinstall? | 23:09 |
| Guest57550 | I've forgotten the package name but I'm using 'apt install', and it tries to update the index | 23:10 |
| valorie | no, no, I mean, with a USB try a NEW install | 23:10 |
| valorie | maybe not of ubuntu, but perhaps something else that might have the driver you obv. need | 23:10 |
| valorie | did you have an Ubuntu install on that computer before? | 23:11 |
| Guest57550 | well, I can reproduce the issue in NixOS | 23:11 |
| Guest57550 | But that allegedly uses synaptics anyway | 23:11 |
| valorie | so, not an ubuntu problem, but a driver problem | 23:11 |
| Guest57550 | And potentially power management problem >_< | 23:11 |
| valorie | my son used to buy new gaming laptops and have a heckuva time finding a distro that had suitable drivers | 23:12 |
| valorie | always different | 23:12 |
| valorie | mandriva, manjaro, ubuntu, arch | 23:12 |
| Guest57550 | "Get a thinkpad" they said, "they are easier to use with linux", they said... | 23:12 |
| valorie | did you try it with a live session? | 23:13 |
| valorie | and again, did you already have linux installed on this laptop before, that was working | 23:13 |
| Guest57550 | Yeah, the live session worked except I didn't notice the inability to resume. NixOS' previous release worked too | 23:13 |
| Guest57550 | I'd like to get this issue into the tracker for the Kubuntu LTS release, but I'm not even sure which component is to blame :P | 23:14 |
| valorie | it's probably the kernel /driver and other than that I dunno | 23:15 |
| valorie | perhaps comment on one of those old bugs instead | 23:15 |
| valorie | and maybe try the next spin which will have a new kernel | 23:16 |
| valorie | I think | 23:16 |
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