| oerheks | Bashing-om, stunning! | 00:37 |
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| Bashing-om | oerheks: Proud .. but in retrospect .. I do have some errors I failed to see in time :( | 00:44 |
| guiverc | UWN #524 is great - well done team! | 00:54 |
| Bashing-om | ^^ :D | 00:56 |
| lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 04:19 |
| Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: WB :) | 04:23 |
| lotuspsychje | tnx Bashing-om | 04:23 |
| Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: A bit brisk in main :) | 04:24 |
| lotuspsychje | coffee needed then as i feel brisky myself :p | 04:24 |
| Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: Hehe ,, and bushy tailed, I trust . | 04:26 |
| lotuspsychje | Bashing-om: 2 days left till the bionic storm | 04:27 |
| Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: watching in #ubuntu-release, yeah It "might" be a storm . They are working so hard ! | 04:29 |
| lotuspsychje | Bashing-om: you dont think its gonna have impact? | 04:30 |
| Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: Sure to have an impact .. there is a large change . | 04:31 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah | 04:31 |
| Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: Hot off the press : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue524 . | 04:48 |
| lotuspsychje | lets c | 04:48 |
| lotuspsychje | nice work Bashing-om | 04:58 |
| Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: Thanks .. but several others get credit too :) | 05:01 |
| lotuspsychje | Bashing-om: im sure :p | 05:04 |
| Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: I must say though that it is a pretty good wrap up of what is going on in ubuntu world this week :D | 05:07 |
| lotuspsychje | inddedy | 05:08 |
| ducasse | good morning! | 06:06 |
| Bashing-om | ducasse: WB ---- still here :) | 06:10 |
| ducasse | thanks Bashing-om - how has your session been? :) | 06:11 |
| Bashing-om | ducasse: Joined in late . but what time I was active, was good .. quieted down now. As usual . | 06:13 |
| ducasse | Bashing-om: suits me fine, i need some time to wake up and get ready :) luna is happy spring is here, and is currently sprinting around the garden :) | 06:16 |
| Bashing-om | ducasse: Hook a plow up to her ! Get a start on the garden :P | 06:18 |
| ducasse | Bashing-om: don't know if i'm able to catch her or get her to stop for long enough :) | 06:19 |
| ducasse | Bashing-om: uwn looks good, great job! | 06:20 |
| Bashing-om | ducasse: We are comming along .. still geting it together - Still need all the input and help we can get . :) | 06:22 |
| ducasse | Bashing-om: if my english was better i'd sign up | 06:23 |
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| Bashing-om | ducasse: Nothing says you can not peek over our shoulders and critique as we go / The editing to get it right is a hige task . | 06:27 |
| Bashing-om | huge* | 06:27 |
| Bashing-om | ducasse: Also, does not need good English to insert articles of interest . The editing will come :) | 06:31 |
| ducasse | Bashing-om: i'll take a look and have a think about it :) | 06:34 |
| Bashing-om | ducasse: https://docs.google.com/document/d/18ZbtFHQq6uMj7iuRLd11VH8V5Uc_FA0IfgiRUcbMbQk/edit <- The template working copy !! | 06:35 |
| lotuspsychje | hey ducasse | 06:50 |
| ducasse | morning lotuspsychje - how are you? | 06:51 |
| lotuspsychje | fine here mate and you? | 06:51 |
| ducasse | ok so far :) | 06:52 |
| lotuspsychje | welcome omkarnathsingh | 06:54 |
| omkarnathsingh | Hi lotuspsychje: . I am yet learning IRC. easier than what i had thought | 06:54 |
| lotuspsychje | omkarnathsingh: how you like 18.04 so far? | 06:55 |
| omkarnathsingh | Its amazing. | 06:55 |
| omkarnathsingh | i am using for around 15 days now. I was earlier using 17.10 and upgraded to it. | 06:56 |
| lotuspsychje | omkarnathsingh: you used -d then | 06:56 |
| omkarnathsingh | I wrote a blog also on my wordpress, about it. So far so good. There were few random crash in gnome-shell and nautilus, reported those to launchpad. | 06:57 |
| omkarnathsingh | lotuspsychje: No. I had fresh installed. | 06:57 |
| lotuspsychje | ah kk | 06:57 |
| lotuspsychje | whats blog url? | 06:57 |
| lotuspsychje | your name rings a bell for me | 06:57 |
| omkarnathsingh | I liked colour emojis a lot. (Me is emoji fan :D) | 06:57 |
| omkarnathsingh | lotuspsychje: https://omkarnathsingh.wordpress.com/2018/04/22/bionic-beaver-ubuntu-18-04-lts/ | 06:58 |
| omkarnathsingh | lotuspsychje: why because its a long name? | 06:58 |
| lotuspsychje | omkarnathsingh: no, its possible i saw earlier blogs from you | 06:59 |
| omkarnathsingh | possible. I used to write about Ubuntu small doubts on Quora earlier. maybe there you seen | 06:59 |
| omkarnathsingh | The snappy thing is so good. Those added from a bit time. But I see lots of developers adopt it. I now try installing from snap mostly if it exist. Easier and faster to get updates . | 07:01 |
| Bashing-om | end of session ,, later guys \o | 07:01 |
| lotuspsychje | nice blog omkarnathsingh | 07:02 |
| omkarnathsingh | thanks. | 07:03 |
| omkarnathsingh | so basically feature freeze has been done for 18.04. So its final what we are using now? | 07:04 |
| omkarnathsingh | or a update will come again by 28th? | 07:04 |
| ducasse | there are updates every day | 07:05 |
| lotuspsychje | omkarnathsingh: updates never sleep, so who knows at final | 07:05 |
| lotuspsychje | omkarnathsingh: even after final, bugs can occur and updates comes in right | 07:05 |
| lotuspsychje | omkarnathsingh: but yes, biggest lines of what you see is what will be on final | 07:06 |
| omkarnathsingh | lotuspsychje: yeah. Thats why upgrade to LTS is given late when release point reaches 18.04.1. | 07:06 |
| omkarnathsingh | I see it much stable than 17.10, all my softwares/hardwares are working fine. Long live xorg :) | 07:08 |
| lotuspsychje | omkarnathsingh: its april 26 by the way | 07:08 |
| lotuspsychje | omkarnathsingh: can you pastebin systemd-analyze blame plz? | 07:09 |
| lotuspsychje | omkarnathsingh: i still have slow gdm3 login to desktop boot here | 07:11 |
| BluesKaj | Hi folks | 11:08 |
| guiverc | Howdy BluesKaj | 11:10 |
| BluesKaj | Hey guiverc | 11:10 |
| MrM1st | Hi all | 11:27 |
| MrM1st | Anyone here know a lot about snap packages? | 11:30 |
| MrM1st | I'm wondering if a snap package can read any file on the host system..? | 11:30 |
| guiverc | my understanding is it shouldn't be able to... | 11:40 |
| guiverc | i've read many bugs/complaints because of (user) snaps being unable to read theme or config files for other apps... | 11:41 |
| guiverc | confinement i think is the correct term | 11:44 |
| MrM1st | guiverc: Hmm.. but that's the whole point of snaps, I guess. Unless running it on X11 :P | 11:44 |
| MrM1st | Any references? | 11:45 |
| guiverc | i'm no expert on snaps; i've only read stuff for UWN purposes. confinement needs setting up, and to be used correctly; issues are mostly because it wasn't done correctly. most of my info comes from planet, insights, hub, ... | 11:46 |
| guiverc | on ubuntu podcast i've listened to alan pope & martin wimpress talk about it lots etc. | 11:48 |
| MrM1st | needs setting up? So just installing a snap wouldn't give me that confinement? | 11:59 |
| guiverc | setting up by devs (ie. when creating the snap) | 12:06 |
| MrM1st | I'm more interested in what CAN be exploited. To know if I am secure when installing a snap | 12:07 |
| MrM1st | I know there's issues with X11 | 12:08 |
| MrM1st | something which collides with the snap-focus and Ubuntu 18.04 still using X11 | 12:08 |
| guiverc | you need someone with more knowledge than i can provide i'm sorry | 12:08 |
| MrM1st | guiverc: Thanks anyway | 12:08 |
| MrM1st | https://www.infoworld.com/article/3060246/security/ubuntu-snap-doesnt-have-the-security-issue-x11-does.html | 12:09 |
| BluesKaj | personally i don't see the the point of snap ...I must be missing something ;-) | 12:10 |
| guiverc | you haven't been reading the glowing 'reports' from canonical (insights) then :) [tongue in cheek] | 12:11 |
| BluesKaj | heh | 12:11 |
| guiverc | i do see benefit, but currently if given the choice I usually stick with debs | 12:11 |
| MrM1st | There might be real benefits... one being that the snap contains it's own libraries | 12:13 |
| MrM1st | so it doesn't clutter your OS with heaps of shared libs | 12:13 |
| BluesKaj | universal package management of some sort I take it, but i stick with debian based OSs anyway | 12:13 |
| guiverc | insights.ubuntu.com is where canonical push out there marketing info... yes they do publish useful stuff there, but its usually been in private blogs (thus on planet) | 12:14 |
| guiverc | (thus on planet too) is what i meant | 12:14 |
| MrM1st | If it is contained within it's own folder etc, and have limited access to resources on the local drive, it makes sense | 12:14 |
| MrM1st | security-wise | 12:14 |
| guiverc | MrM1st, i've read heaps about them, but only for purposes of deciding whether they were useful for UWN (weekly news), not for purpose of eval or work-usage, thus I could forget much of what i read. i'm no expert as I've never created a snap though i've been encourgaged to a couple of times... if I had, I may have had more info for you. | 12:17 |
| MrM1st | guiverc: Like your honesty :) I'm considering trying to make a snap, to get the experience myself | 12:19 |
| guiverc | :) | 12:20 |
| MrM1st | But I want to know how it works, before installing something like Skype | 12:22 |
| MrM1st | guiverc: Know where to look to create a small snap package? | 12:23 |
| guiverc | i understand that, i think i've actually heard skype used as an example on ubuntu.podcast (in relation to snaps), but it may have been just a quick reference (a few secs long)... | 12:24 |
| guiverc | MrM1st, yes; it was a MOTU that last tried to get me creating one, i was directed somewhere for it, looking now | 12:25 |
| guiverc | https://snapcraft.io/ probably, clicking 'build your first snap' | 12:26 |
| MrM1st | guiverc: Thanks a lot. I'll try it in an hour or so | 12:28 |
| MrM1st | Commuting | 12:29 |
| MrM1st | gotta go | 12:29 |
| BluesKaj | just checking the new DNS service Cloudflare DNS 1.1.1.1 , seems quick enough alright. I set it up in the router DNS settings to avoid my ISP's vpn block | 12:47 |
| guiverc | thanks BluesKaj - it's easy to remember like oogle's (I didn't know of it) | 12:50 |
| BluesKaj | yeah just read about it the other day and wqas using debian and redhat supported DNS servers in Montreal (closer to my l;ocation), but thought i 's do a little experimenting. | 12:53 |
| BluesKaj | i'd | 12:54 |
| leftyfb | good timing because google had problems with their 8.8.8.8 this morning | 12:54 |
| BluesKaj | this arris router provided by my ISP is at least configurable to some degree | 12:54 |
| leftyfb | wreaked havoc here at work | 12:55 |
| BluesKaj | google's DNS is okay, but I have enough google "stuff" :-) | 12:56 |
| pragmaticenigma | Been using OpenDNS for almost 10 years, keeps me happy | 12:57 |
| BluesKaj | yeah, i ran opendns for a while, but my previous ISP provided a faster dns serverso i used that for 3 yrs, My new ISP also provides a dns service but has some rstrictions like vpn block so I reconfigured the router to use a different set of IPs | 13:06 |
| pragmaticenigma | I have an onsite DNS server now (well a caching DNS server, Pi-Hole) that reduces lag quite a bit | 13:07 |
| BluesKaj | then I read about 1.1.1.1 ...seems trendy right now I suppose but it seems very quick | 13:08 |
| pragmaticenigma | It forwards to OpenDNS though. I really like having onsite, since I can give my statically addressed computers friends names | 13:08 |
| pragmaticenigma | 1.1.1.1 is actually a joint experiment between Cloud Flare and APNIC... APNIC has been wanting to use that address, but it's slammed with all sorts of mayhem | 13:10 |
| BluesKaj | pi-hole was neat, but I had some problems with it, can't recall what they were off hand | 13:10 |
| pragmaticenigma | 1.1.1.1 is bascially under constant attack, cloudflare is using it for a detection of internet "storms" while making it useful at the same time | 13:10 |
| pragmaticenigma | My concerns is can CloudFlare really promise it's secure, when hundreds of malcious attacks are being directed at it? | 13:11 |
| BluesKaj | well, it's becopme a big target, . I'll bet google dns was tested the same way when it was first anounced | 13:12 |
| pragmaticenigma | Only issue I had with pi-hole is when I tried to run it on Rasbian x86. It's surprisingly forgiving when dependencies aren't available. Runs best under Raspian ARM, or Ubuntu. | 13:12 |
| pragmaticenigma | 1.1.1.1 has always been a target, before this new dns server went live. it's litterally one of the first IP addresses on the open web | 13:13 |
| BluesKaj | haven't tried pi-hole on raspbian yet ...maybe I will. The rpi3 has been sitting idle for a while now i'm afraid | 13:14 |
| pragmaticenigma | I have pi-hole running on a first gen RPi. Since I wanted logging, I mounted an old External Spinny Hard Disk to /var | 13:15 |
| BluesKaj | Yeah , I did something similar and transferred / to a usb connected HDD and just use microsd card for booting the system | 13:19 |
| BluesKaj | microsd cards die quickly from too many writes after a few months , not really designed as an OS drive IMO | 13:21 |
| pragmaticenigma | My SD's in my LibreELEC systems have been going quite awhile without issue. Though they use a MySQL DB for tracking Music and Video | 13:44 |
| BluesKaj | think i wore the sd out with multiple OS installs trying to find one that suited me. | 13:48 |
| hggdh | OK. May I suggest that we all do not engage trolls, even if suffering the urge to? | 13:51 |
| hggdh | there, should have done that much earlier. Now I can go back to normal programming :-) | 13:51 |
| BluesKaj | what troll hggdh? | 13:53 |
| hggdh | BluesKaj: oh, not now, but previous recentish events. I did not say anything at the time so I woulnot be, ah, stoking the fire as well | 13:53 |
| BluesKaj | it's difficult sometimes to recognize a troll with engaging them first | 13:54 |
| BluesKaj | without | 13:54 |
| sky887 | You can take me out with acid or fire - only thing that works | 13:57 |
| sky887 | Em* | 13:57 |
| sky887 | You can take em * | 14:01 |
| BluesKaj | some a re entertaining on a boring day , up to a point :-) | 14:04 |
| pragmaticenigma | some may say bringing up an event hours/days after is also a form of trolling. (and what I just said too, dang nab'it) | 14:08 |
| sky887 | It's all trolling | 14:10 |
| sky887 | Lol | 14:10 |
| pragmaticenigma | welcome Gargravarr ! | 14:39 |
| Gargravarr | thanks pragmaticenigma | 14:39 |
| * Gargravarr engages Lurk Mode :) | 14:39 | |
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| pragmaticenigma | leftyfb: how the heck did you figure that out? | 15:26 |
| leftyfb | google translate :) | 15:26 |
| pragmaticenigma | nice | 15:27 |
| leftyfb | also | 15:27 |
| leftyfb | iptrace 114.124.245.254 | 15:27 |
| leftyfb | City Jakarta | 15:27 |
| leftyfb | Country Indonesia | 15:27 |
| leftyfb | State Jakarta Raya | 15:27 |
| leftyfb | little script I've got :) | 15:27 |
| pragmaticenigma | neat | 15:28 |
| Gargravarr | skillz | 15:28 |
| pragmaticenigma | I suppose I could have looked it up in my GeoIP database | 15:28 |
| pragmaticenigma | wonder how out of date that sucker is | 15:28 |
| leftyfb | lynx -dump http://ipaddress.ip-adress.com/$1|egrep 'City|State|Country'|egrep -v 'Communications|Code|Subnet' | 15:28 |
| leftyfb | I've been using this for years | 15:29 |
| Gargravarr | why lynx and not, say, curl? | 15:29 |
| leftyfb | I forget ... like I said, been using it for years | 15:29 |
| Gargravarr | :) well, if it works... | 15:30 |
| leftyfb | and since it always just works, haven't needed to revisit it | 15:30 |
| pragmaticenigma | curl downloads the raw html, lynx will produce the rendered html | 15:30 |
| Gargravarr | so 'Stokaz' has just DM'd me and is asking me where i'm from | 15:38 |
| nacc | Gargravarr: ignore them? | 15:38 |
| Gargravarr | nacc: gladly | 15:38 |
| nacc | Gargravarr: :) | 15:39 |
| Gargravarr | irssi shows his rDNS as being from Italy. dunno why he wants American support | 15:40 |
| Gargravarr | told him i'm not in America and to ask in the main channel | 15:40 |
| pragmaticenigma | #ubuntu attracks all kinds of people... it would be nice it if wasn't the default set in hexchat | 15:41 |
| Gargravarr | agreed | 15:41 |
| Gargravarr | funniest i've seen so far was a couple of weeks ago where someone joined and immediately asked 'any women here?' | 15:42 |
| JimBuntu | Gargravarr, I saw that (same time or different). The person looking for "chicks" | 15:54 |
| Gargravarr | JimBuntu: i have the quote: "14:16 < cvdd43> غis there any girl here" | 15:55 |
| Gargravarr | leftyfb: you're up | 15:57 |
| JimBuntu | Is that the same person or another one? | 15:57 |
| sky887 | I asked for henns | 15:57 |
| sky887 | That was probably a 43 year old Gargravarr | 15:58 |
| Gargravarr | sky887: <shrug> | 15:59 |
| JimBuntu | I thought that might have been you sky887 | 16:00 |
| sky887 | JimBuntu me too in fact hehe | 16:00 |
| Gargravarr | well, properly ASCII-shifted... | 16:01 |
| JimBuntu | On the plus side, I learned there is an #ubuntu-women , so that's cool. Some day I will have to actually look at all the interesting channels | 16:03 |
| Gargravarr | JimBuntu: a colleague replied 'they may have been seeking information on whether any females used Ubuntu' | 16:04 |
| Gargravarr | which i countered with, 'considering this is the internet, what are the chances of that?' | 16:04 |
| sky887 | Lol. *turns around quickly, staring directly in JimBuntu 's eyes* - how many IN IT?? | 16:05 |
| JimBuntu | idk, I figure most are dudes | 16:05 |
| sky887 | Me too honestly. Or transgender *shrugs* | 16:06 |
| sky887 | Lol jk ofc | 16:07 |
| Gargravarr | the internet - where men are men, women are men, and children are the FBI | 16:07 |
| sky887 | Hehe | 16:08 |
| daftykins | and ops are missing | 16:12 |
| sky887 | daftykins that makes me feel uncomfortable | 16:14 |
| * Gargravarr wonders how much money he could make with a subscription-model Kick-Ban-as-a-Service | 16:14 | |
| daftykins | why uncomfortable? | 16:15 |
| Gargravarr | well, he just advertised that fact to the whole world... | 16:17 |
| sky887 | Well considered the whole context. The situation in which we find ourselves in atm so to speak | 16:17 |
| * Gargravarr digs a trench and dons an ARP tin helmet | 16:18 | |
| daftykins | i think you two are stirring a bit too much imaginary drama | 16:19 |
| daftykins | BluesKaj: heya \o | 16:19 |
| Gargravarr | daftykins: is there any other kind on the internet? | 16:20 |
| oerheks | sky there are ops, no worry | 16:20 |
| * Gargravarr dives for cover | 16:20 | |
| daftykins | yes there are far more kinds | 16:20 |
| sky887 | Excellent, indeed. *feels safe, but tucked under a blanket* | 16:23 |
| nicomachus | I thought I had my home network all set up and working after moving this weekend, but now I can't reach my rpi via ssh. | 16:25 |
| nicomachus | getting connection timeouts. grrrrr | 16:25 |
| nicomachus | I don't understand. ports open, IP is correct, and it worked yesterday... | 16:27 |
| Gargravarr | nicomachus: maybe it crashed? | 16:27 |
| nicomachus | nah it's reporting an address to the router | 16:27 |
| nicomachus | which I can reach (through the web portal) | 16:28 |
| Gargravarr | finally someone posts a question per the requested instructions :) | 16:29 |
| nicomachus | Gargravarr: are you new here or a cloaked regular? | 16:30 |
| Gargravarr | nicomachus: new | 16:30 |
| Gargravarr | was invited because of trying to be too helpful to people posting invalid questions in #ubuntu | 16:31 |
| nicomachus | ah. welcome. | 16:31 |
| Gargravarr | thanks | 16:34 |
| daftykins | maybe SSH isn't running on the port you thought? | 16:39 |
| nicomachus | daftykins: it is. | 16:40 |
| leftyfb | nicomachus: can you ping it's ip? | 16:41 |
| nicomachus | or, at least, that's the only open port on the router. | 16:41 |
| daftykins | so 22 -> 22 and not <anything> -> 22 ? :) | 16:41 |
| nicomachus | leftyfb: I can ping the router... idk if that counts as pinging the rpi | 16:41 |
| leftyfb | it does not | 16:41 |
| nicomachus | daftykins: 60717 -> 60717 | 16:41 |
| leftyfb | nicomachus: oh, you're talking remotely through port forwarding | 16:41 |
| daftykins | if you nmap it and it shows closed, the service is not at the other end | 16:41 |
| Gargravarr | nicomachus: are you connecting from outside your home network? has your Pi been allocated the correct IP address for the port forward? | 16:41 |
| nicomachus | leftyfb: how can I try to ping a specific device on the network? | 16:41 |
| leftyfb | nicomachus: you can't unless you can get on/inside the network | 16:42 |
| daftykins | thus either the wrong host is forwarded, the daemon has crashed/is stopped - or the forward isn't working right | 16:42 |
| leftyfb | nicomachus: are you able to get to another machine on the same network? | 16:42 |
| daftykins | router might have some diagnostic pages to ping an internal host | 16:42 |
| nicomachus | daftykins: firefox kept repeatedly crashing on it last night so ssh having crashed is not out of the realm of possibility. | 16:42 |
| nicomachus | leftyfb: no I haven't gotten other machines connected yet. | 16:42 |
| nicomachus | the RPI is usually my "gateway" into the network. it's the only one with an open port from the outside. | 16:43 |
| leftyfb | nicomachus: step #1 get on the local network the pi is on to further troubleshoot | 16:43 |
| daftykins | :S | 16:43 |
| BluesKaj | hey daftykins...was watching the local news, hence my late greeting :-) | 16:43 |
| nicomachus | yea I'll have to run home at lunch and check it out. | 16:43 |
| daftykins | BluesKaj: np! mmm scary goings on in Toronto there | 16:43 |
| BluesKaj | yeah , some nutbar who belongs to a so called "involuntary celibate" group...not too successful with the ladies so he takes out his anger on the population at large | 16:45 |
| daftykins | :/ | 16:45 |
| daftykins | i heard some folks talking about that being the reason but didn't think they were serious | 16:45 |
| nicomachus | nmap's response so far: Warning: 136.33.184.134 giving up on port because retransmission cap hit (6). | 16:45 |
| nicomachus | whoops, probably should have removed the IP. oh well. | 16:46 |
| daftykins | using which switches? | 16:46 |
| daftykins | yep public logged channel too :S | 16:46 |
| nicomachus | -A -T4 | 16:46 |
| nicomachus | meh. the network's secure. | 16:46 |
| nicomachus | but maybe I'll switch the ssh port now... | 16:47 |
| daftykins | that's not the right stuff | 16:47 |
| Gargravarr | experience states that whenever someone states 'the network is secure', they are quickly proven wrong :) | 16:47 |
| nicomachus | Gargravarr: probably | 16:48 |
| nicomachus | ugh. you're never gonna believe this. | 17:44 |
| nicomachus | fixed the rpi | 17:44 |
| nicomachus | the rpi couldn't reach anything outside the network because THE BLUETOOTH WAS ON | 17:45 |
| nicomachus | explain that one | 17:45 |
| daftykins | do you really use it on wifi? | 17:49 |
| daftykins | both are 2.4GHz and can't operate at the same time iirc, depending on module | 17:49 |
| nicomachus | no it's wired | 17:50 |
| Gargravarr | nicomachus: reproducible? sure it's not just coincidence? | 17:52 |
| nicomachus | yes | 17:52 |
| Gargravarr | bizarre. this a current Pi 3? | 17:52 |
| nicomachus | uhh... it's either a 3 or a 2b | 17:53 |
| nicomachus | pretty sure it's 3 | 17:53 |
| Gargravarr | the 3 has onboard wifi+bluetooth | 17:53 |
| nicomachus | I could ping local addresses and could SSH in from local network, but I couldn't ping outside the network from the rpi or ssh in from outside the network when bt was on. Turned it off, and problems are gone. | 17:54 |
| daftykins | that doesn't make much sense | 17:56 |
| nicomachus | that's what I thought. | 17:56 |
| daftykins | sounds more like it had a misconfigured default route | 17:56 |
| nicomachus | but I didn't change any of that to fix it. | 17:56 |
| nicomachus | brb | 17:56 |
| daftykins | depends what the Pi is running, i dislike all the automagic networking junk distros have in them these days | 17:57 |
| nicomachus | it's running ubuntu MATE 16.04 | 17:58 |
| nicomachus | 16.04.4* | 17:59 |
| nicomachus | now to get to what I originally wanted to get into the rpi for... figuring out why Firefox crashes every time I open it. | 18:00 |
| daftykins | :S | 18:01 |
| daftykins | nuke the profile from orbit, it's the only way to be sure </Ripley> :D | 18:02 |
| nicomachus | I think you mean nuke firefox from orbit | 18:03 |
| nicomachus | because that's what I'm doing now. | 18:03 |
| daftykins | no i don't | 18:03 |
| nicomachus | oh, well, that's what I did first. | 18:03 |
| Gargravarr | i would have gone with 'nuke the Pi' and reimage the SD card | 18:08 |
| leftyfb | Gargravarr: both wifi, bluetooth and ethernet can work at the same time | 18:08 |
| Gargravarr | leftyfb: i never said they couldn't | 18:09 |
| nicomachus | leftyfb: apparently not. lol | 18:09 |
| leftyfb | sorry, that was daftykins | 18:09 |
| nicomachus | Gargravarr: nuking the pi is the next option. | 18:09 |
| leftyfb | they can, I've done it many times | 18:09 |
| Gargravarr | although the Pi's USB bandwidth tends to restrict them working particularly well | 18:10 |
| nicomachus | leftyfb: I had to turn off bluetooth to get ethernet to allow external connections. | 18:10 |
| nicomachus | don't ask me why | 18:10 |
| daftykins | i reckon some automagic networking kicked in and rejigged something | 18:10 |
| daftykins | but maybe now we'll never know... | 18:10 |
| daftykins | leftyfb: regardless, if it were a 2.4GHz wifi network in use - then bluetooth could conflict with it on a radio basis - pretty sure there was at least one adapter or one model that shared antennas between too? | 18:11 |
| daftykins | i'm not a big Pi person so i can't remember anywho | 18:11 |
| leftyfb | daftykins: there is no conflict on the pi between bluetooth and wifi. That's ridiculous to say. | 18:12 |
| daftykins | leftyfb: no it isn't, they both use the 2.4GHz band no? so on a radio basis they can affect each other | 18:12 |
| Gargravarr | daftykins: the only time i have ever seen them interfere is on my MBP when transferring large amounts of data via wifi (11n) while using a magic trackpad | 18:12 |
| nicomachus | leftyfb: from experience, I can say that there is. | 18:12 |
| leftyfb | nicomachus: This case is ethernet, not wifi, correct? | 18:13 |
| nicomachus | leftyfb: I have had the issue with wifi in the past, which is why I hard-wired it. | 18:13 |
| Gargravarr | which makes it even more bizarre how bluetooth could affect it | 18:14 |
| nicomachus | I agree it's extremely bizarre and unexplainable. | 18:14 |
| Gargravarr | nicomachus: might be worth checking dmesg, see if the bluetooth adapter is throwing any hardware errors | 18:14 |
| nicomachus | #ubuntu is just a nuthouse today | 18:14 |
| Gargravarr | today? i assumed this was Business as Usual | 18:14 |
| nicomachus | it's not normally this bad | 18:15 |
| leftyfb | I stand correct. I apologize. I guess wifi + BT is an issue. That's really dumb. But there should definitely be no issue with ethernet + BT and I know for a fact ethernet + wifi works just fine. | 18:16 |
| oerheks | well, a few days before LTS .. | 18:16 |
| daftykins | phew :) | 18:16 |
| daftykins | i thought i was going to have to start linking to sources showing wifi + BT both use the same ISM band | 18:17 |
| Gargravarr | the only common factor is the USB bus. the Pi's pretty notorious for having poor ethernet bandwidth for this reason | 18:17 |
| Gargravarr | not impossible that misbehaving bluetooth could flood the bus and stop ethernet working properly | 18:17 |
| nicomachus | it's just weird that I could ping and ssh locally, but not externally | 18:19 |
| Gargravarr | if you can reproduce it consistently, may be worth raising it with the RPi developers | 18:19 |
| daftykins | still sounds a lot like misconfigured routes, do you use any VPN or Tor software with that Pi? | 18:19 |
| nicomachus | daftykins: no none of that. | 18:19 |
| nicomachus | Gargravarr: going to reproduce under a couple different conditions and document later tonight. | 18:20 |
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