[00:37] Bashing-om, stunning! [00:44] oerheks: Proud .. but in retrospect .. I do have some errors I failed to see in time :( [00:54] UWN #524 is great - well done team! [00:56] ^^ :D [04:19] good morning to all [04:23] lotuspsychje: WB :) [04:23] tnx Bashing-om [04:24] lotuspsychje: A bit brisk in main :) [04:24] coffee needed then as i feel brisky myself :p [04:26] lotuspsychje: Hehe ,, and bushy tailed, I trust . [04:27] Bashing-om: 2 days left till the bionic storm [04:29] lotuspsychje: watching in #ubuntu-release, yeah It "might" be a storm . They are working so hard ! [04:30] Bashing-om: you dont think its gonna have impact? [04:31] lotuspsychje: Sure to have an impact .. there is a large change . [04:31] yeah [04:48] lotuspsychje: Hot off the press : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue524 . [04:48] lets c [04:58] nice work Bashing-om [05:01] lotuspsychje: Thanks .. but several others get credit too :) [05:04] Bashing-om: im sure :p [05:07] lotuspsychje: I must say though that it is a pretty good wrap up of what is going on in ubuntu world this week :D [05:08] inddedy [06:06] good morning! [06:10] ducasse: WB ---- still here :) [06:11] thanks Bashing-om - how has your session been? :) [06:13] ducasse: Joined in late . but what time I was active, was good .. quieted down now. As usual . [06:16] Bashing-om: suits me fine, i need some time to wake up and get ready :) luna is happy spring is here, and is currently sprinting around the garden :) [06:18] ducasse: Hook a plow up to her ! Get a start on the garden :P [06:19] Bashing-om: don't know if i'm able to catch her or get her to stop for long enough :) [06:20] Bashing-om: uwn looks good, great job! [06:22] ducasse: We are comming along .. still geting it together - Still need all the input and help we can get . :) [06:23] Bashing-om: if my english was better i'd sign up === kallesbar_ is now known as kallesbar [06:27] ducasse: Nothing says you can not peek over our shoulders and critique as we go / The editing to get it right is a hige task . [06:27] huge* [06:31] ducasse: Also, does not need good English to insert articles of interest . The editing will come :) [06:34] Bashing-om: i'll take a look and have a think about it :) [06:35] ducasse: https://docs.google.com/document/d/18ZbtFHQq6uMj7iuRLd11VH8V5Uc_FA0IfgiRUcbMbQk/edit <- The template working copy !! [06:50] hey ducasse [06:51] morning lotuspsychje - how are you? [06:51] fine here mate and you? [06:52] ok so far :) [06:54] welcome omkarnathsingh [06:54] Hi lotuspsychje: . I am yet learning IRC. easier than what i had thought [06:55] omkarnathsingh: how you like 18.04 so far? [06:55] Its amazing. [06:56] i am using for around 15 days now. I was earlier using 17.10 and upgraded to it. [06:56] omkarnathsingh: you used -d then [06:57] I wrote a blog also on my wordpress, about it. So far so good. There were few random crash in gnome-shell and nautilus, reported those to launchpad. [06:57] lotuspsychje: No. I had fresh installed. [06:57] ah kk [06:57] whats blog url? [06:57] your name rings a bell for me [06:57] I liked colour emojis a lot. (Me is emoji fan :D) [06:58] lotuspsychje: https://omkarnathsingh.wordpress.com/2018/04/22/bionic-beaver-ubuntu-18-04-lts/ [06:58] lotuspsychje: why because its a long name? [06:59] omkarnathsingh: no, its possible i saw earlier blogs from you [06:59] possible. I used to write about Ubuntu small doubts on Quora earlier. maybe there you seen [07:01] The snappy thing is so good. Those added from a bit time. But I see lots of developers adopt it. I now try installing from snap mostly if it exist. Easier and faster to get updates . [07:01] end of session ,, later guys \o [07:02] nice blog omkarnathsingh [07:03] thanks. [07:04] so basically feature freeze has been done for 18.04. So its final what we are using now? [07:04] or a update will come again by 28th? [07:05] there are updates every day [07:05] omkarnathsingh: updates never sleep, so who knows at final [07:05] omkarnathsingh: even after final, bugs can occur and updates comes in right [07:06] omkarnathsingh: but yes, biggest lines of what you see is what will be on final [07:06] lotuspsychje: yeah. Thats why upgrade to LTS is given late when release point reaches 18.04.1. [07:08] I see it much stable than 17.10, all my softwares/hardwares are working fine. Long live xorg :) [07:08] omkarnathsingh: its april 26 by the way [07:09] omkarnathsingh: can you pastebin systemd-analyze blame plz? [07:11] omkarnathsingh: i still have slow gdm3 login to desktop boot here [11:08] Hi folks [11:10] Howdy BluesKaj [11:10] Hey guiverc [11:27] Hi all [11:30] Anyone here know a lot about snap packages? [11:30] I'm wondering if a snap package can read any file on the host system..? [11:40] my understanding is it shouldn't be able to... [11:41] i've read many bugs/complaints because of (user) snaps being unable to read theme or config files for other apps... [11:44] confinement i think is the correct term [11:44] guiverc: Hmm.. but that's the whole point of snaps, I guess. Unless running it on X11 :P [11:45] Any references? [11:46] i'm no expert on snaps; i've only read stuff for UWN purposes. confinement needs setting up, and to be used correctly; issues are mostly because it wasn't done correctly. most of my info comes from planet, insights, hub, ... [11:48] on ubuntu podcast i've listened to alan pope & martin wimpress talk about it lots etc. [11:59] needs setting up? So just installing a snap wouldn't give me that confinement? [12:06] setting up by devs (ie. when creating the snap) [12:07] I'm more interested in what CAN be exploited. To know if I am secure when installing a snap [12:08] I know there's issues with X11 [12:08] something which collides with the snap-focus and Ubuntu 18.04 still using X11 [12:08] you need someone with more knowledge than i can provide i'm sorry [12:08] guiverc: Thanks anyway [12:09] https://www.infoworld.com/article/3060246/security/ubuntu-snap-doesnt-have-the-security-issue-x11-does.html [12:10] personally i don't see the the point of snap ...I must be missing something ;-) [12:11] you haven't been reading the glowing 'reports' from canonical (insights) then :) [tongue in cheek] [12:11] heh [12:11] i do see benefit, but currently if given the choice I usually stick with debs [12:13] There might be real benefits... one being that the snap contains it's own libraries [12:13] so it doesn't clutter your OS with heaps of shared libs [12:13] universal package management of some sort I take it, but i stick with debian based OSs anyway [12:14] insights.ubuntu.com is where canonical push out there marketing info... yes they do publish useful stuff there, but its usually been in private blogs (thus on planet) [12:14] (thus on planet too) is what i meant [12:14] If it is contained within it's own folder etc, and have limited access to resources on the local drive, it makes sense [12:14] security-wise [12:17] MrM1st, i've read heaps about them, but only for purposes of deciding whether they were useful for UWN (weekly news), not for purpose of eval or work-usage, thus I could forget much of what i read. i'm no expert as I've never created a snap though i've been encourgaged to a couple of times... if I had, I may have had more info for you. [12:19] guiverc: Like your honesty :) I'm considering trying to make a snap, to get the experience myself [12:20] :) [12:22] But I want to know how it works, before installing something like Skype [12:23] guiverc: Know where to look to create a small snap package? [12:24] i understand that, i think i've actually heard skype used as an example on ubuntu.podcast (in relation to snaps), but it may have been just a quick reference (a few secs long)... [12:25] MrM1st, yes; it was a MOTU that last tried to get me creating one, i was directed somewhere for it, looking now [12:26] https://snapcraft.io/ probably, clicking 'build your first snap' [12:28] guiverc: Thanks a lot. I'll try it in an hour or so [12:29] Commuting [12:29] gotta go [12:47] just checking the new DNS service Cloudflare DNS 1.1.1.1 , seems quick enough alright. I set it up in the router DNS settings to avoid my ISP's vpn block [12:50] thanks BluesKaj - it's easy to remember like oogle's (I didn't know of it) [12:53] yeah just read about it the other day and wqas using debian and redhat supported DNS servers in Montreal (closer to my l;ocation), but thought i 's do a little experimenting. [12:54] i'd [12:54] good timing because google had problems with their 8.8.8.8 this morning [12:54] this arris router provided by my ISP is at least configurable to some degree [12:55] wreaked havoc here at work [12:56] google's DNS is okay, but I have enough google "stuff" :-) [12:57] Been using OpenDNS for almost 10 years, keeps me happy [13:06] yeah, i ran opendns for a while, but my previous ISP provided a faster dns serverso i used that for 3 yrs, My new ISP also provides a dns service but has some rstrictions like vpn block so I reconfigured the router to use a different set of IPs [13:07] I have an onsite DNS server now (well a caching DNS server, Pi-Hole) that reduces lag quite a bit [13:08] then I read about 1.1.1.1 ...seems trendy right now I suppose but it seems very quick [13:08] It forwards to OpenDNS though. I really like having onsite, since I can give my statically addressed computers friends names [13:10] 1.1.1.1 is actually a joint experiment between Cloud Flare and APNIC... APNIC has been wanting to use that address, but it's slammed with all sorts of mayhem [13:10] pi-hole was neat, but I had some problems with it, can't recall what they were off hand [13:10] 1.1.1.1 is bascially under constant attack, cloudflare is using it for a detection of internet "storms" while making it useful at the same time [13:11] My concerns is can CloudFlare really promise it's secure, when hundreds of malcious attacks are being directed at it? [13:12] well, it's becopme a big target, . I'll bet google dns was tested the same way when it was first anounced [13:12] Only issue I had with pi-hole is when I tried to run it on Rasbian x86. It's surprisingly forgiving when dependencies aren't available. Runs best under Raspian ARM, or Ubuntu. [13:13] 1.1.1.1 has always been a target, before this new dns server went live. it's litterally one of the first IP addresses on the open web [13:14] haven't tried pi-hole on raspbian yet ...maybe I will. The rpi3 has been sitting idle for a while now i'm afraid [13:15] I have pi-hole running on a first gen RPi. Since I wanted logging, I mounted an old External Spinny Hard Disk to /var [13:19] Yeah , I did something similar and transferred / to a usb connected HDD and just use microsd card for booting the system [13:21] microsd cards die quickly from too many writes after a few months , not really designed as an OS drive IMO [13:44] My SD's in my LibreELEC systems have been going quite awhile without issue. Though they use a MySQL DB for tracking Music and Video [13:48] think i wore the sd out with multiple OS installs trying to find one that suited me. [13:51] OK. May I suggest that we all do not engage trolls, even if suffering the urge to? [13:51] there, should have done that much earlier. Now I can go back to normal programming :-) [13:53] what troll hggdh? [13:53] BluesKaj: oh, not now, but previous recentish events. I did not say anything at the time so I woulnot be, ah, stoking the fire as well [13:54] it's difficult sometimes to recognize a troll with engaging them first [13:54] without [13:57] You can take me out with acid or fire - only thing that works [13:57] Em* [14:01] You can take em * [14:04] some a re entertaining on a boring day , up to a point :-) [14:08] some may say bringing up an event hours/days after is also a form of trolling. (and what I just said too, dang nab'it) [14:10] It's all trolling [14:10] Lol [14:39] welcome Gargravarr ! [14:39] thanks pragmaticenigma [14:39] * Gargravarr engages Lurk Mode :) === kostkon_ is now known as kostkon [15:26] leftyfb: how the heck did you figure that out? [15:26] google translate :) [15:27] nice [15:27] also [15:27] iptrace 114.124.245.254 [15:27] City Jakarta [15:27] Country Indonesia [15:27] State Jakarta Raya [15:27] little script I've got :) [15:28] neat [15:28] skillz [15:28] I suppose I could have looked it up in my GeoIP database [15:28] wonder how out of date that sucker is [15:28] lynx -dump http://ipaddress.ip-adress.com/$1|egrep 'City|State|Country'|egrep -v 'Communications|Code|Subnet' [15:29] I've been using this for years [15:29] why lynx and not, say, curl? [15:29] I forget ... like I said, been using it for years [15:30] :) well, if it works... [15:30] and since it always just works, haven't needed to revisit it [15:30] curl downloads the raw html, lynx will produce the rendered html [15:38] so 'Stokaz' has just DM'd me and is asking me where i'm from [15:38] Gargravarr: ignore them? [15:38] nacc: gladly [15:39] Gargravarr: :) [15:40] irssi shows his rDNS as being from Italy. dunno why he wants American support [15:40] told him i'm not in America and to ask in the main channel [15:41] #ubuntu attracks all kinds of people... it would be nice it if wasn't the default set in hexchat [15:41] agreed [15:42] funniest i've seen so far was a couple of weeks ago where someone joined and immediately asked 'any women here?' [15:54] Gargravarr, I saw that (same time or different). The person looking for "chicks" [15:55] JimBuntu: i have the quote: "14:16 < cvdd43> غis there any girl here" [15:57] leftyfb: you're up [15:57] Is that the same person or another one? [15:57] I asked for henns [15:58] That was probably a 43 year old Gargravarr [15:59] sky887: [16:00] I thought that might have been you sky887 [16:00] JimBuntu me too in fact hehe [16:01] well, properly ASCII-shifted... [16:03] On the plus side, I learned there is an #ubuntu-women , so that's cool. Some day I will have to actually look at all the interesting channels [16:04] JimBuntu: a colleague replied 'they may have been seeking information on whether any females used Ubuntu' [16:04] which i countered with, 'considering this is the internet, what are the chances of that?' [16:05] Lol. *turns around quickly, staring directly in JimBuntu 's eyes* - how many IN IT?? [16:05] idk, I figure most are dudes [16:06] Me too honestly. Or transgender *shrugs* [16:07] Lol jk ofc [16:07] the internet - where men are men, women are men, and children are the FBI [16:08] Hehe [16:12] and ops are missing [16:14] daftykins that makes me feel uncomfortable [16:14] * Gargravarr wonders how much money he could make with a subscription-model Kick-Ban-as-a-Service [16:15] why uncomfortable? [16:17] well, he just advertised that fact to the whole world... [16:17] Well considered the whole context. The situation in which we find ourselves in atm so to speak [16:18] * Gargravarr digs a trench and dons an ARP tin helmet [16:19] i think you two are stirring a bit too much imaginary drama [16:19] BluesKaj: heya \o [16:20] daftykins: is there any other kind on the internet? [16:20] sky there are ops, no worry [16:20] * Gargravarr dives for cover [16:20] yes there are far more kinds [16:23] Excellent, indeed. *feels safe, but tucked under a blanket* [16:25] I thought I had my home network all set up and working after moving this weekend, but now I can't reach my rpi via ssh. [16:25] getting connection timeouts. grrrrr [16:27] I don't understand. ports open, IP is correct, and it worked yesterday... [16:27] nicomachus: maybe it crashed? [16:27] nah it's reporting an address to the router [16:28] which I can reach (through the web portal) [16:29] finally someone posts a question per the requested instructions :) [16:30] Gargravarr: are you new here or a cloaked regular? [16:30] nicomachus: new [16:31] was invited because of trying to be too helpful to people posting invalid questions in #ubuntu [16:31] ah. welcome. [16:34] thanks [16:39] maybe SSH isn't running on the port you thought? [16:40] daftykins: it is. [16:41] nicomachus: can you ping it's ip? [16:41] or, at least, that's the only open port on the router. [16:41] so 22 -> 22 and not -> 22 ? :) [16:41] leftyfb: I can ping the router... idk if that counts as pinging the rpi [16:41] it does not [16:41] daftykins: 60717 -> 60717 [16:41] nicomachus: oh, you're talking remotely through port forwarding [16:41] if you nmap it and it shows closed, the service is not at the other end [16:41] nicomachus: are you connecting from outside your home network? has your Pi been allocated the correct IP address for the port forward? [16:41] leftyfb: how can I try to ping a specific device on the network? [16:42] nicomachus: you can't unless you can get on/inside the network [16:42] thus either the wrong host is forwarded, the daemon has crashed/is stopped - or the forward isn't working right [16:42] nicomachus: are you able to get to another machine on the same network? [16:42] router might have some diagnostic pages to ping an internal host [16:42] daftykins: firefox kept repeatedly crashing on it last night so ssh having crashed is not out of the realm of possibility. [16:42] leftyfb: no I haven't gotten other machines connected yet. [16:43] the RPI is usually my "gateway" into the network. it's the only one with an open port from the outside. [16:43] nicomachus: step #1 get on the local network the pi is on to further troubleshoot [16:43] :S [16:43] hey daftykins...was watching the local news, hence my late greeting :-) [16:43] yea I'll have to run home at lunch and check it out. [16:43] BluesKaj: np! mmm scary goings on in Toronto there [16:45] yeah , some nutbar who belongs to a so called "involuntary celibate" group...not too successful with the ladies so he takes out his anger on the population at large [16:45] :/ [16:45] i heard some folks talking about that being the reason but didn't think they were serious [16:45] nmap's response so far: Warning: 136.33.184.134 giving up on port because retransmission cap hit (6). [16:46] whoops, probably should have removed the IP. oh well. [16:46] using which switches? [16:46] yep public logged channel too :S [16:46] -A -T4 [16:46] meh. the network's secure. [16:47] but maybe I'll switch the ssh port now... [16:47] that's not the right stuff [16:47] experience states that whenever someone states 'the network is secure', they are quickly proven wrong :) [16:48] Gargravarr: probably [17:44] ugh. you're never gonna believe this. [17:44] fixed the rpi [17:45] the rpi couldn't reach anything outside the network because THE BLUETOOTH WAS ON [17:45] explain that one [17:49] do you really use it on wifi? [17:49] both are 2.4GHz and can't operate at the same time iirc, depending on module [17:50] no it's wired [17:52] nicomachus: reproducible? sure it's not just coincidence? [17:52] yes [17:52] bizarre. this a current Pi 3? [17:53] uhh... it's either a 3 or a 2b [17:53] pretty sure it's 3 [17:53] the 3 has onboard wifi+bluetooth [17:54] I could ping local addresses and could SSH in from local network, but I couldn't ping outside the network from the rpi or ssh in from outside the network when bt was on. Turned it off, and problems are gone. [17:56] that doesn't make much sense [17:56] that's what I thought. [17:56] sounds more like it had a misconfigured default route [17:56] but I didn't change any of that to fix it. [17:56] brb [17:57] depends what the Pi is running, i dislike all the automagic networking junk distros have in them these days [17:58] it's running ubuntu MATE 16.04 [17:59] 16.04.4* [18:00] now to get to what I originally wanted to get into the rpi for... figuring out why Firefox crashes every time I open it. [18:01] :S [18:02] nuke the profile from orbit, it's the only way to be sure :D [18:03] I think you mean nuke firefox from orbit [18:03] because that's what I'm doing now. [18:03] no i don't [18:03] oh, well, that's what I did first. [18:08] i would have gone with 'nuke the Pi' and reimage the SD card [18:08] Gargravarr: both wifi, bluetooth and ethernet can work at the same time [18:09] leftyfb: i never said they couldn't [18:09] leftyfb: apparently not. lol [18:09] sorry, that was daftykins [18:09] Gargravarr: nuking the pi is the next option. [18:09] they can, I've done it many times [18:10] although the Pi's USB bandwidth tends to restrict them working particularly well [18:10] leftyfb: I had to turn off bluetooth to get ethernet to allow external connections. [18:10] don't ask me why [18:10] i reckon some automagic networking kicked in and rejigged something [18:10] but maybe now we'll never know... [18:11] leftyfb: regardless, if it were a 2.4GHz wifi network in use - then bluetooth could conflict with it on a radio basis - pretty sure there was at least one adapter or one model that shared antennas between too? [18:11] i'm not a big Pi person so i can't remember anywho [18:12] daftykins: there is no conflict on the pi between bluetooth and wifi. That's ridiculous to say. [18:12] leftyfb: no it isn't, they both use the 2.4GHz band no? so on a radio basis they can affect each other [18:12] daftykins: the only time i have ever seen them interfere is on my MBP when transferring large amounts of data via wifi (11n) while using a magic trackpad [18:12] leftyfb: from experience, I can say that there is. [18:13] nicomachus: This case is ethernet, not wifi, correct? [18:13] leftyfb: I have had the issue with wifi in the past, which is why I hard-wired it. [18:14] which makes it even more bizarre how bluetooth could affect it [18:14] I agree it's extremely bizarre and unexplainable. [18:14] nicomachus: might be worth checking dmesg, see if the bluetooth adapter is throwing any hardware errors [18:14] #ubuntu is just a nuthouse today [18:14] today? i assumed this was Business as Usual [18:15] it's not normally this bad [18:16] I stand correct. I apologize. I guess wifi + BT is an issue. That's really dumb. But there should definitely be no issue with ethernet + BT and I know for a fact ethernet + wifi works just fine. [18:16] well, a few days before LTS .. [18:16] phew :) [18:17] i thought i was going to have to start linking to sources showing wifi + BT both use the same ISM band [18:17] the only common factor is the USB bus. the Pi's pretty notorious for having poor ethernet bandwidth for this reason [18:17] not impossible that misbehaving bluetooth could flood the bus and stop ethernet working properly [18:19] it's just weird that I could ping and ssh locally, but not externally [18:19] if you can reproduce it consistently, may be worth raising it with the RPi developers [18:19] still sounds a lot like misconfigured routes, do you use any VPN or Tor software with that Pi? [18:19] daftykins: no none of that. [18:20] Gargravarr: going to reproduce under a couple different conditions and document later tonight. === czesmir_ is now known as czesmir