[00:37] <oerheks> Bashing-om, stunning!
[00:44] <Bashing-om> oerheks: Proud .. but in retrospect .. I do have some errors I failed to see in time :(
[00:54] <guiverc> UWN #524 is great - well done team!
[00:56] <Bashing-om> ^^ :D
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:23] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: WB :)
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> tnx Bashing-om
[04:24] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: A bit brisk in main :)
[04:24] <lotuspsychje> coffee needed then as i feel brisky myself :p
[04:26] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Hehe ,, and bushy tailed, I trust .
[04:27] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: 2 days left till the bionic storm
[04:29] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: watching in #ubuntu-release, yeah It "might" be a storm . They are working so hard !
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: you dont think its gonna have impact?
[04:31] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Sure to have an impact .. there is a large change .
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[04:48] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Hot off the press : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue524 .
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> nice work Bashing-om
[05:01] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Thanks .. but several others get credit too :)
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: im sure :p
[05:07] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: I must say though that it is a pretty good wrap up of what is going on in ubuntu world this week :D
[05:08] <lotuspsychje> inddedy
[06:06] <ducasse> good morning!
[06:10] <Bashing-om> ducasse: WB ---- still here :)
[06:11] <ducasse> thanks Bashing-om - how has your session been? :)
[06:13] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Joined in late . but what time I was active, was good .. quieted down now. As usual .
[06:16] <ducasse> Bashing-om: suits me fine, i need some time to wake up and get ready :) luna is happy spring is here, and is currently sprinting around the garden :)
[06:18] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Hook a plow up to her ! Get a start on the garden :P
[06:19] <ducasse> Bashing-om: don't know if i'm able to catch her or get her to stop for long enough :)
[06:20] <ducasse> Bashing-om: uwn looks good, great job!
[06:22] <Bashing-om> ducasse: We are comming along .. still geting it together - Still need all the input and help we can get . :)
[06:23] <ducasse> Bashing-om: if my english was better i'd sign up
[06:27] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Nothing says you can not peek over our shoulders and critique as we go / The editing to get it right is a hige task .
[06:27] <Bashing-om> huge*
[06:31] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Also, does not need good English to insert articles of interest . The editing will come :)
[06:34] <ducasse> Bashing-om: i'll take a look and have a think about it :)
[06:35] <Bashing-om> ducasse: https://docs.google.com/document/d/18ZbtFHQq6uMj7iuRLd11VH8V5Uc_FA0IfgiRUcbMbQk/edit <- The template working copy !!
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[06:51] <ducasse> morning lotuspsychje - how are you?
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> fine here mate and you?
[06:52] <ducasse> ok so far :)
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> welcome omkarnathsingh
[06:54] <omkarnathsingh> Hi lotuspsychje: . I am yet learning IRC. easier than what i had thought
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> omkarnathsingh: how you like 18.04 so far?
[06:55] <omkarnathsingh> Its amazing.
[06:56] <omkarnathsingh> i am using for around 15 days now. I was earlier using 17.10 and upgraded to it.
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> omkarnathsingh: you used -d then
[06:57] <omkarnathsingh> I wrote a blog also on my wordpress, about it. So far so good. There were few random crash in gnome-shell and nautilus, reported those to launchpad.
[06:57] <omkarnathsingh> lotuspsychje: No. I had fresh installed.
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> ah kk
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> whats blog url?
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> your name rings a bell for me
[06:57] <omkarnathsingh> I liked colour emojis a lot. (Me is emoji fan :D)
[06:58] <omkarnathsingh> lotuspsychje: https://omkarnathsingh.wordpress.com/2018/04/22/bionic-beaver-ubuntu-18-04-lts/
[06:58] <omkarnathsingh> lotuspsychje: why because its a long name?
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> omkarnathsingh: no, its possible i saw earlier blogs from you
[06:59] <omkarnathsingh> possible. I used to write about Ubuntu small doubts on Quora earlier. maybe there you seen
[07:01] <omkarnathsingh> The snappy thing is so good. Those added from a bit time. But I see lots of developers adopt it. I now try installing from snap mostly if it exist. Easier and faster to get updates .
[07:01] <Bashing-om> end of session ,, later guys \o
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> nice blog omkarnathsingh
[07:03] <omkarnathsingh> thanks.
[07:04] <omkarnathsingh> so basically feature freeze has been done for 18.04. So its final what we are using now?
[07:04] <omkarnathsingh> or a update will come again by 28th?
[07:05] <ducasse> there are updates every day
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> omkarnathsingh: updates never sleep, so who knows at final
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> omkarnathsingh: even after final, bugs can occur and updates comes in right
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> omkarnathsingh: but yes, biggest lines of what you see is what will be on final
[07:06] <omkarnathsingh> lotuspsychje: yeah. Thats why upgrade to LTS is given late when release point reaches 18.04.1.
[07:08] <omkarnathsingh> I see it much stable than 17.10, all my softwares/hardwares are working fine. Long live xorg :)
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> omkarnathsingh: its april 26 by the way
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> omkarnathsingh: can you pastebin systemd-analyze blame plz?
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> omkarnathsingh: i still have slow gdm3 login to desktop boot here
[11:08] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:10] <guiverc> Howdy BluesKaj
[11:10] <BluesKaj> Hey guiverc
[11:27] <MrM1st> Hi all
[11:30] <MrM1st> Anyone here know a lot about snap packages?
[11:30] <MrM1st> I'm wondering if a snap package can read any file on the host system..?
[11:40] <guiverc> my understanding is it shouldn't be able to...
[11:41] <guiverc> i've read many bugs/complaints because of (user) snaps being unable to read theme or config files for other apps...
[11:44] <guiverc> confinement i think is the correct term
[11:44] <MrM1st> guiverc: Hmm.. but that's the whole point of snaps, I guess. Unless running it on X11 :P
[11:45] <MrM1st> Any references?
[11:46] <guiverc> i'm no expert on snaps; i've only read stuff for UWN purposes.  confinement needs setting up, and to be used correctly; issues are mostly because it wasn't done correctly.  most of my info comes from planet, insights, hub, ...
[11:48] <guiverc> on ubuntu podcast i've listened to alan pope & martin wimpress talk about it lots etc.
[11:59] <MrM1st> needs setting up? So just installing a snap wouldn't give me that confinement?
[12:06] <guiverc> setting up by devs (ie. when creating the snap)
[12:07] <MrM1st> I'm more interested in what CAN be exploited. To know if I am secure when installing a snap
[12:08] <MrM1st> I know there's issues with X11
[12:08] <MrM1st> something which collides with the snap-focus and Ubuntu 18.04 still using X11
[12:08] <guiverc> you need someone with more knowledge than i can provide i'm sorry
[12:08] <MrM1st> guiverc: Thanks anyway
[12:09] <MrM1st> https://www.infoworld.com/article/3060246/security/ubuntu-snap-doesnt-have-the-security-issue-x11-does.html
[12:10] <BluesKaj> personally i don't see the the point of snap ...I must be missing something ;-)
[12:11] <guiverc> you haven't been reading the glowing 'reports' from canonical (insights) then :)  [tongue in cheek]
[12:11] <BluesKaj> heh
[12:11] <guiverc> i do see benefit, but currently if given the choice I usually stick with debs
[12:13] <MrM1st> There might be real benefits... one being that the snap contains it's own libraries
[12:13] <MrM1st> so it doesn't clutter your OS with heaps of shared libs
[12:13] <BluesKaj> universal package management of some sort I take it, but i stick with debian based OSs anyway
[12:14] <guiverc> insights.ubuntu.com is where canonical push out there marketing info... yes they do publish useful stuff there, but its usually been in private blogs (thus on planet)
[12:14] <guiverc> (thus on planet too) is what i meant
[12:14] <MrM1st> If it is contained within it's own folder etc, and have limited access to resources on the local drive, it makes sense
[12:14] <MrM1st> security-wise
[12:17] <guiverc> MrM1st, i've read heaps about them, but only for purposes of deciding whether they were useful for UWN (weekly news), not for purpose of eval or work-usage, thus I could forget much of what i read.  i'm no expert as I've never created a snap though i've been encourgaged to a couple of times... if I had, I may have had more info for you.
[12:19] <MrM1st> guiverc: Like your honesty :) I'm considering trying to make a snap, to get the experience myself
[12:20] <guiverc> :)
[12:22] <MrM1st> But I want to know how it works, before installing something like Skype
[12:23] <MrM1st> guiverc: Know where to look to create a small snap package?
[12:24] <guiverc> i understand that, i think i've actually heard skype used as an example on ubuntu.podcast (in relation to snaps), but it may have been just a quick reference (a few secs long)...
[12:25] <guiverc> MrM1st, yes; it was a MOTU that last tried to get me creating one, i was directed somewhere for it, looking now
[12:26] <guiverc> https://snapcraft.io/  probably, clicking 'build your first snap'
[12:28] <MrM1st> guiverc: Thanks a lot. I'll try it in an hour or so
[12:29] <MrM1st> Commuting
[12:29] <MrM1st> gotta go
[12:47] <BluesKaj> just checking the new DNS service Cloudflare DNS 1.1.1.1 , seems quick enough alright. I set it up in the router DNS settings to avoid my ISP's vpn block
[12:50] <guiverc> thanks BluesKaj - it's easy to remember like oogle's  (I didn't know of it)
[12:53] <BluesKaj> yeah just read about it the other day and wqas using debian and redhat supported DNS servers in Montreal (closer to my l;ocation), but thought i 's do a little experimenting.
[12:54] <BluesKaj> i'd
[12:54] <leftyfb> good timing because google had problems with their 8.8.8.8 this morning
[12:54] <BluesKaj> this arris router provided by my ISP is at least configurable to some degree
[12:55] <leftyfb> wreaked havoc here at work
[12:56] <BluesKaj> google's DNS is okay, but I have enough google "stuff" :-)
[12:57] <pragmaticenigma> Been using OpenDNS for almost 10 years, keeps me happy
[13:06] <BluesKaj> yeah, i ran opendns for a while, but my previous ISP provided a faster dns serverso i used that for 3 yrs, My new ISP also provides a dns service but has some rstrictions like vpn block so I reconfigured the router to use a different set of IPs
[13:07] <pragmaticenigma> I have an onsite DNS server now (well a caching DNS server, Pi-Hole) that reduces lag quite a bit
[13:08] <BluesKaj> then I read about 1.1.1.1 ...seems trendy right now I suppose but it seems very quick
[13:08] <pragmaticenigma> It forwards to OpenDNS though. I really like having onsite, since I can give my statically addressed computers friends names
[13:10] <pragmaticenigma> 1.1.1.1 is actually a joint experiment between Cloud Flare and APNIC... APNIC has been wanting to use that address, but it's slammed with all sorts of mayhem
[13:10] <BluesKaj> pi-hole was neat, but I had some problems with it, can't recall what they were off hand
[13:10] <pragmaticenigma> 1.1.1.1 is bascially under constant attack, cloudflare is using it for a detection of internet "storms" while making it useful at the same time
[13:11] <pragmaticenigma> My concerns is can CloudFlare really promise it's secure, when hundreds of malcious attacks are being directed at it?
[13:12] <BluesKaj> well, it's becopme a big target, . I'll bet google dns was tested the same way when it was first anounced
[13:12] <pragmaticenigma> Only issue I had with pi-hole is when I tried to run it on Rasbian x86. It's surprisingly forgiving when dependencies aren't available. Runs best under Raspian ARM, or Ubuntu.
[13:13] <pragmaticenigma> 1.1.1.1 has always been a target, before this new dns server went live. it's litterally one of the first IP addresses on the open web
[13:14] <BluesKaj> haven't tried pi-hole on raspbian yet ...maybe I will. The rpi3 has been sitting idle for a while now i'm afraid
[13:15] <pragmaticenigma> I have pi-hole running on a first gen RPi. Since I wanted logging, I mounted an old External Spinny Hard Disk to /var
[13:19] <BluesKaj> Yeah , I did something similar and transferred  / to a usb connected HDD and just use microsd card for booting the system
[13:21] <BluesKaj> microsd cards die quickly from too many writes after a few months , not really designed as an OS drive IMO
[13:44] <pragmaticenigma> My SD's in my LibreELEC systems have been going quite awhile without issue. Though they use a MySQL DB for tracking Music and Video
[13:48] <BluesKaj> think i wore the sd out with multiple OS installs trying to find one that suited me.
[13:51] <hggdh> OK. May I suggest that we all do not engage trolls, even if suffering the urge to?
[13:51] <hggdh> there, should have done that much earlier. Now I can go back to normal programming :-)
[13:53] <BluesKaj> what troll hggdh?
[13:53] <hggdh> BluesKaj: oh, not now, but previous recentish events. I did not say anything at the time so I woulnot be, ah, stoking the fire as well
[13:54] <BluesKaj> it's difficult sometimes to recognize a troll with engaging them first
[13:54] <BluesKaj> without
[13:57] <sky887> You can take me out with acid or fire - only thing that works
[13:57] <sky887> Em*
[14:01] <sky887> You can take em *
[14:04] <BluesKaj> some a re entertaining on a boring day , up to a point :-)
[14:08] <pragmaticenigma> some may say bringing up an event hours/days after is also a form of trolling. (and what I just said too, dang nab'it)
[14:10] <sky887> It's all trolling
[14:10] <sky887> Lol
[14:39] <pragmaticenigma> welcome Gargravarr !
[14:39] <Gargravarr> thanks pragmaticenigma
[14:39]  * Gargravarr engages Lurk Mode :)
[15:26] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb: how the heck did you figure that out?
[15:26] <leftyfb> google translate :)
[15:27] <pragmaticenigma> nice
[15:27] <leftyfb> also
[15:27] <leftyfb> iptrace 114.124.245.254
[15:27] <leftyfb>             City          Jakarta
[15:27] <leftyfb>           Country         Indonesia
[15:27] <leftyfb>            State          Jakarta Raya
[15:27] <leftyfb> little script I've got :)
[15:28] <pragmaticenigma> neat
[15:28] <Gargravarr> skillz
[15:28] <pragmaticenigma> I suppose I could have looked it up in my GeoIP database
[15:28] <pragmaticenigma> wonder how out of date that sucker is
[15:28] <leftyfb> lynx -dump http://ipaddress.ip-adress.com/$1|egrep 'City|State|Country'|egrep -v 'Communications|Code|Subnet'
[15:29] <leftyfb> I've been using this for years
[15:29] <Gargravarr> why lynx and not, say, curl?
[15:29] <leftyfb> I forget  ... like I said, been using it for years
[15:30] <Gargravarr> :) well, if it works...
[15:30] <leftyfb> and since it always just works, haven't needed to revisit it
[15:30] <pragmaticenigma> curl downloads the raw html, lynx will produce the rendered html
[15:38] <Gargravarr> so 'Stokaz' has just DM'd me and is asking me where i'm from
[15:38] <nacc> Gargravarr: ignore them?
[15:38] <Gargravarr> nacc: gladly
[15:39] <nacc> Gargravarr: :)
[15:40] <Gargravarr> irssi shows his rDNS as being from Italy. dunno why he wants American support
[15:40] <Gargravarr> told him i'm not in America and to ask in the main channel
[15:41] <pragmaticenigma> #ubuntu attracks all kinds of people... it would be nice it if wasn't the default set in hexchat
[15:41] <Gargravarr> agreed
[15:42] <Gargravarr> funniest i've seen so far was a couple of weeks ago where someone joined and immediately asked 'any women here?'
[15:54] <JimBuntu> Gargravarr, I saw that (same time or different). The person looking for "chicks"
[15:55] <Gargravarr> JimBuntu: i have the quote: "14:16 < cvdd43> غis there any girl here"
[15:57] <Gargravarr> leftyfb: you're up
[15:57] <JimBuntu> Is that the same person or another one?
[15:57] <sky887> I asked for henns
[15:58] <sky887> That was probably a 43 year old Gargravarr
[15:59] <Gargravarr> sky887: <shrug>
[16:00] <JimBuntu> I thought that might have been you sky887
[16:00] <sky887> JimBuntu me too in fact hehe
[16:01] <Gargravarr> well, properly ASCII-shifted...
[16:03] <JimBuntu> On the plus side, I learned there is an #ubuntu-women , so that's cool. Some day I will have to actually look at all the interesting channels
[16:04] <Gargravarr> JimBuntu: a colleague replied 'they may have been seeking information on whether any females used Ubuntu'
[16:04] <Gargravarr> which i countered with, 'considering this is the internet, what are the chances of that?'
[16:05] <sky887> Lol. *turns around quickly, staring directly in JimBuntu 's eyes* - how many IN IT??
[16:05] <JimBuntu> idk, I figure most are dudes
[16:06] <sky887> Me too honestly. Or transgender *shrugs*
[16:07] <sky887> Lol jk ofc
[16:07] <Gargravarr> the internet - where men are men, women are men, and children are the FBI
[16:08] <sky887> Hehe
[16:12] <daftykins> and ops are missing
[16:14] <sky887> daftykins that makes me feel uncomfortable
[16:14]  * Gargravarr wonders how much money he could make with a subscription-model Kick-Ban-as-a-Service
[16:15] <daftykins> why uncomfortable?
[16:17] <Gargravarr> well, he just advertised that fact to the whole world...
[16:17] <sky887> Well considered the whole context.  The situation in which we find ourselves in atm so to speak
[16:18]  * Gargravarr digs a trench and dons an ARP tin helmet
[16:19] <daftykins> i think you two are stirring a bit too much imaginary drama
[16:19] <daftykins> BluesKaj: heya \o
[16:20] <Gargravarr> daftykins: is there any other kind on the internet?
[16:20] <oerheks> sky there are ops, no worry
[16:20]  * Gargravarr dives for cover
[16:20] <daftykins> yes there are far more kinds
[16:23] <sky887> Excellent, indeed. *feels safe, but tucked under a blanket*
[16:25] <nicomachus> I thought I had my home network all set up and working after moving this weekend, but now I can't reach my rpi via ssh.
[16:25] <nicomachus> getting connection timeouts. grrrrr
[16:27] <nicomachus> I don't understand. ports open, IP is correct, and it worked yesterday...
[16:27] <Gargravarr> nicomachus: maybe it crashed?
[16:27] <nicomachus> nah it's reporting an address to the router
[16:28] <nicomachus> which I can reach (through the web portal)
[16:29] <Gargravarr> finally someone posts a question per the requested instructions :)
[16:30] <nicomachus> Gargravarr: are you new here or a cloaked regular?
[16:30] <Gargravarr> nicomachus: new
[16:31] <Gargravarr> was invited because of trying to be too helpful to people posting invalid questions in #ubuntu
[16:31] <nicomachus> ah. welcome.
[16:34] <Gargravarr> thanks
[16:39] <daftykins> maybe SSH isn't running on the port you thought?
[16:40] <nicomachus> daftykins: it is.
[16:41] <leftyfb> nicomachus: can you ping it's ip?
[16:41] <nicomachus> or, at least, that's the only open port on the router.
[16:41] <daftykins> so 22 -> 22 and not <anything> -> 22 ? :)
[16:41] <nicomachus> leftyfb: I can ping the router... idk if that counts as pinging the rpi
[16:41] <leftyfb> it does not
[16:41] <nicomachus> daftykins: 60717 -> 60717
[16:41] <leftyfb> nicomachus: oh, you're talking remotely through port forwarding
[16:41] <daftykins> if you nmap it and it shows closed, the service is not at the other end
[16:41] <Gargravarr> nicomachus: are you connecting from outside your home network? has your Pi been allocated the correct IP address for the port forward?
[16:41] <nicomachus> leftyfb: how can I try to ping a specific device on the network?
[16:42] <leftyfb> nicomachus: you can't unless you can get on/inside the network
[16:42] <daftykins> thus either the wrong host is forwarded, the daemon has crashed/is stopped - or the forward isn't working right
[16:42] <leftyfb> nicomachus: are you able to get to another machine on the same network?
[16:42] <daftykins> router might have some diagnostic pages to ping an internal host
[16:42] <nicomachus> daftykins: firefox kept repeatedly crashing on it last night so ssh having crashed is not out of the realm of possibility.
[16:42] <nicomachus> leftyfb: no I haven't gotten other machines connected yet.
[16:43] <nicomachus> the RPI is usually my "gateway" into the network. it's the only one with an open port from the outside.
[16:43] <leftyfb> nicomachus: step #1 get on the local network the pi is on to further troubleshoot
[16:43] <daftykins> :S
[16:43] <BluesKaj> hey daftykins...was watching the local news, hence my late greeting :-)
[16:43] <nicomachus> yea I'll have to run home at lunch and check it out.
[16:43] <daftykins> BluesKaj: np! mmm scary goings on in Toronto there
[16:45] <BluesKaj> yeah , some nutbar who belongs to a so called "involuntary celibate" group...not too successful with the ladies so he takes out his anger on the population at large
[16:45] <daftykins> :/
[16:45] <daftykins> i heard some folks talking about that being the reason but didn't think they were serious
[16:45] <nicomachus> nmap's response so far: Warning: 136.33.184.134 giving up on port because retransmission cap hit (6).
[16:46] <nicomachus> whoops, probably should have removed the IP. oh well.
[16:46] <daftykins> using which switches?
[16:46] <daftykins> yep public logged channel too :S
[16:46] <nicomachus> -A -T4
[16:46] <nicomachus> meh. the network's secure.
[16:47] <nicomachus> but maybe I'll switch the ssh port now...
[16:47] <daftykins> that's not the right stuff
[16:47] <Gargravarr> experience states that whenever someone states 'the network is secure', they are quickly proven wrong :)
[16:48] <nicomachus> Gargravarr: probably
[17:44] <nicomachus> ugh. you're never gonna believe this.
[17:44] <nicomachus> fixed the rpi
[17:45] <nicomachus> the rpi couldn't reach anything outside the network because THE BLUETOOTH WAS ON
[17:45] <nicomachus> explain that one
[17:49] <daftykins> do you really use it on wifi?
[17:49] <daftykins> both are 2.4GHz and can't operate at the same time iirc, depending on module
[17:50] <nicomachus> no it's wired
[17:52] <Gargravarr> nicomachus: reproducible? sure it's not just coincidence?
[17:52] <nicomachus> yes
[17:52] <Gargravarr> bizarre. this a current Pi 3?
[17:53] <nicomachus> uhh... it's either a 3 or a 2b
[17:53] <nicomachus> pretty sure it's 3
[17:53] <Gargravarr> the 3 has onboard wifi+bluetooth
[17:54] <nicomachus> I could ping local addresses and could SSH in from local network, but I couldn't ping outside the network from the rpi or ssh in from outside the network when bt was on. Turned it off, and problems are gone.
[17:56] <daftykins> that doesn't make much sense
[17:56] <nicomachus> that's what I thought.
[17:56] <daftykins> sounds more like it had a misconfigured default route
[17:56] <nicomachus> but I didn't change any of that to fix it.
[17:56] <nicomachus> brb
[17:57] <daftykins> depends what the Pi is running, i dislike all the automagic networking junk distros have in them these days
[17:58] <nicomachus> it's running ubuntu MATE 16.04
[17:59] <nicomachus> 16.04.4*
[18:00] <nicomachus> now to get to what I originally wanted to get into the rpi for... figuring out why Firefox crashes every time I open it.
[18:01] <daftykins> :S
[18:02] <daftykins> nuke the profile from orbit, it's the only way to be sure </Ripley> :D
[18:03] <nicomachus> I think you mean nuke firefox from orbit
[18:03] <nicomachus> because that's what I'm doing now.
[18:03] <daftykins> no i don't
[18:03] <nicomachus> oh, well, that's what I did first.
[18:08] <Gargravarr> i would have gone with 'nuke the Pi' and reimage the SD card
[18:08] <leftyfb> Gargravarr: both wifi, bluetooth and ethernet can work at the same time
[18:09] <Gargravarr> leftyfb: i never said they couldn't
[18:09] <nicomachus> leftyfb: apparently not. lol
[18:09] <leftyfb> sorry, that was daftykins
[18:09] <nicomachus> Gargravarr: nuking the pi is the next option.
[18:09] <leftyfb> they can, I've done it many times
[18:10] <Gargravarr> although the Pi's USB bandwidth tends to restrict them working particularly well
[18:10] <nicomachus> leftyfb: I had to turn off bluetooth to get ethernet to allow external connections.
[18:10] <nicomachus> don't ask me why
[18:10] <daftykins> i reckon some automagic networking kicked in and rejigged something
[18:10] <daftykins> but maybe now we'll never know...
[18:11] <daftykins> leftyfb: regardless, if it were a 2.4GHz wifi network in use - then bluetooth could conflict with it on a radio basis - pretty sure there was at least one adapter or one model that shared antennas between too?
[18:11] <daftykins> i'm not a big Pi person so i can't remember anywho
[18:12] <leftyfb> daftykins: there is no conflict on the pi between bluetooth and wifi. That's ridiculous to say.
[18:12] <daftykins> leftyfb: no it isn't, they both use the 2.4GHz band no? so on a radio basis they can affect each other
[18:12] <Gargravarr> daftykins: the only time i have ever seen them interfere is on my MBP when transferring large amounts of data via wifi (11n) while using a magic trackpad
[18:12] <nicomachus> leftyfb: from experience, I can say that there is.
[18:13] <leftyfb> nicomachus: This case is ethernet, not wifi, correct?
[18:13] <nicomachus> leftyfb: I have had the issue with wifi in the past, which is why I hard-wired it.
[18:14] <Gargravarr> which makes it even more bizarre how bluetooth could affect it
[18:14] <nicomachus> I agree it's extremely bizarre and unexplainable.
[18:14] <Gargravarr> nicomachus: might be worth checking dmesg, see if the bluetooth adapter is throwing any hardware errors
[18:14] <nicomachus> #ubuntu is just a nuthouse today
[18:14] <Gargravarr> today? i assumed this was Business as Usual
[18:15] <nicomachus> it's not normally this bad
[18:16] <leftyfb> I stand correct. I apologize. I guess wifi + BT is an issue. That's really dumb. But there should definitely be no issue with ethernet + BT and I know for a fact ethernet + wifi works just fine.
[18:16] <oerheks> well, a few days before LTS ..
[18:16] <daftykins> phew :)
[18:17] <daftykins> i thought i was going to have to start linking to sources showing wifi + BT both use the same ISM band
[18:17] <Gargravarr> the only common factor is the USB bus. the Pi's pretty notorious for having poor ethernet bandwidth for this reason
[18:17] <Gargravarr> not impossible that misbehaving bluetooth could flood the bus and stop ethernet working properly
[18:19] <nicomachus> it's just weird that I could ping and ssh locally, but not externally
[18:19] <Gargravarr> if you can reproduce it consistently, may be worth raising it with the RPi developers
[18:19] <daftykins> still sounds a lot like misconfigured routes, do you use any VPN or Tor software with that Pi?
[18:19] <nicomachus> daftykins: no none of that.
[18:20] <nicomachus> Gargravarr: going to reproduce under a couple different conditions and document later tonight.