[00:12] silox: you should ask in #maas and maybe #ubuntu-server [00:12] ok, sounds good, thanks leftyfb! [00:45] both daily today for me didnd [00:45] both daily today for me didn't work [00:48] katnip: I downloaded the latest at 18h56 EST, the release was from 18h49 EST, but the file show 22h49 [00:48] so that sound like it UTC [00:49] is there some kind of changelog for ubuntu daily ? [01:12] Moc: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/bionic-changes [01:17] did anyone notice the latest daily build no longer say Development Branch in the about section? [01:18] That's because of an update to base-files. [01:18] There's one last image respin. [01:18] ah ok [01:25] can we know at which point we are with a specific daily build ? [01:25] Moc: e.g. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/pending/bionic-desktop-amd64.manifest [01:25] in that bionic-changes mailling list [01:29] Ok, so latest build seem to only be missing the last hugo package. [01:30] hard to find which package changes since the 24 on the install iso might be breaking the installer on my computer ! [01:38] I would love to know if some dev actually want me to do something or not.. [01:39] tomorrow is normaly release day... and I might not be available tomorow ! [01:53] No more progress when doing Extract Here on a file ? [01:55] ohhh, it the tiny icon that show up in the tool bar menu... [01:56] That annoying, there is a few second delay before it actually appear [01:57] Same with deleting folder, you confirm the delete, but the folder is still there with no progress what so ever that something is hapenning [01:57] I happen to start 10 video from VLC earlier because everytime I tryed to launch my video nothing happened.. === michagogo_ is now known as michagogo [02:57] Can someone tell me why many services are failing to start? [03:03] Which services? [03:09] tsimonq2: Several, wpa_supplicant, networkmanager, some others [03:21] quidnunc, Netplan is using systemd-networkd to run your network, not NetworkManager [03:30] ChmEarl: I getting errors related to networkmanager. Are you saying I shouldn't be seeing those? === edward__ is now known as eddyready === edward____ is now known as eddyready === edward__ is now known as eddyready === edward__ is now known as eddyready [05:11] today when i installed /exec -o uname -r [05:11] oops [05:11] 4.15.0-20-generic [05:13] it said i had a slight error, something about a digit before lsb_release, what does this mean [05:15] katnip: wich error, where [05:16] when i installed a kernel, it said on installation, warning= no digit in front of /etc/lsb_release [05:17] doenst seem to affect anything [05:18] katnip: hastebin what you saw please [05:19] hah, 12 hours ago with reboots, i dunno if i can find it [05:19] dpkg log === mceier is now known as mceier_ === mceier_ is now known as mceier [05:26] so many options on that lol [05:35] ubuntu 18.04 will use a swap file instead of partition ? What's new procedure for partition during clean install, for the "Something else" option ? [05:35] jbvsjdknbvksj: there is no new procedure [05:35] !partitioning | jbvsjdknbvksj [05:35] jbvsjdknbvksj: For help with partitioning a new install see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoPartition | For partitioning programs, see !GParted (recommended) or !PartitionManager. Other partitioning topics include !fstab, !home, and !swap [05:36] jbvsjdknbvksj: a minimal setup has been added, but thats a different story [05:38] jbvsjdknbvksj: if you clean install and there's no existing swap - you get a swapfile, if you clean install and a swap partition exists somewhere - it will use the existing [05:38] morning lotuspsychje :) [05:38] @jbvsjdknbvksj, nothing else has to be done, but if you use BTRFS you have to use a swap partition as BTRFS doesn't support swap file [05:39] hey flocculant [05:45] thanks [05:46] which will be better, swap file vs partition [05:46] obv. ubuntu thinks swapfile [05:46] now [05:48] jbvsjdknbvksj: Be aware though, that if the installer finds a swap partition *anywhere*, that swap will be used . [05:48] does swapfile has a fixed size? [05:48] Bashing-om: does it check for a swap signature or just look at the partition type? [05:49] kimmyk: That ^ is above my pay grade :) [05:49] (: [05:50] kimmyk: no idea either - just know that I saw no change in what happened locally - if you want to know I'd guess you would want to check the code out [05:51] wherever it is for whatever it is that does the checking [05:52] (: it might be easier to just build a vm with both kinds of swap partitions and test it. [05:53] go for it - let me know what you find [05:55] (: i have to fix my broken debian system first so i can build a vm. [05:55] and somebody said 18.04 wasn't out yet.. [05:56] it isnt yet [05:56] during the day kimmyk [06:02] !isitoutyet [06:02] Not yet! [06:02] the bot knows..... === shivam is now known as Guest36192 [06:44] hello [06:44] the image for 18.04 final, when will be available on site? [06:48] when it's ready, today [06:48] !isitoutyet [06:48] Not yet! [06:48] :) [06:57] please note that Java 11 being default JRE will break things for many users [07:39] is there even a RC available? will the release be today as planned? [07:41] hiwk: final release is today [07:41] !party [07:41] Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, #edubuntu, and #lubuntu are support channels. To countdown to !bionic release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/3339/ [07:41] hiwk, I know people who have been using the beta for weeks and are very happy with the stability. I have a hard time imaging the final release will feel rushed in any way [07:44] we had a LOT of testing this past week [07:46] nice job valorie [07:46] ok, thanks! If I want to install a 18 right now, which version would you suggest? [07:47] Kubuntu is my favorite flavor [07:52] valorie: Still up I see. =) [07:52] hiwk: if you cant wait few hours, download and install the daily iso [07:52] Hello lotuspsychje, how are you ? [07:52] BionicMac: fine tnx [08:00] BionicMac: waiting to see what's gonna happen [08:00] but .... can [08:00] t wait much longer [08:02] valorie: take a shot nap, then come back...it might take a while [08:02] short [08:03] rik can mark the images done [08:03] and the release article is already written [08:04] valorie: where will the official release article be? url? [08:04] kubuntu.org [08:04] valorie: I believe the i386 looks good. [08:04] and the release notes on teh wiki [08:04] yup [08:04] will release be at 2100 UTC or other hour? [08:05] they are finding some weird problems in the installer [08:05] fcanela: when it's done [08:05] and not before [08:05] !isitoutyet [08:05] Not yet! [08:05] It's fair, I saw there were few ubiquity bugs in launchpad [08:06] valorie: I tried Ubuntu-Desktop amd64 and the installer froze on me just now. Tried it three times to make sure. I will go report now. [08:06] good on ya! [08:06] may that mean that launching could be posponed to other day? [08:06] fcanela: I doubt it [08:07] it has never been late in all these years [08:07] thanks for the info :) [08:11] fcanela: if we can recall, mostly get released when US wakes up [08:12] lotuspsychje: that is what I supposed, but I did not knew if there was a planned hour [08:12] there isnt [08:12] fcanela: its out, when its out [08:13] the ReleaseSchedule have been like my christmas calendar these months and frozes occurs at 21:00 UTC [08:13] I supposed there should be a timed out too, but I was wrong :) === blackflo1 is now known as blackflow === akaWolf1 is now known as akaWolf [09:42] !isitoutyet [09:42] Not yet! [09:47] much fun in the release channel... being careful not to disrupt! [09:48] "atspi starting before dconf" intermittent race-condition causing fun, apparently [09:48] !isitoutyet [09:48] Not yet! [10:06] ubuntu 18.04 already released ? :) [10:07] nostrora, expected later today (UST timezone) [10:08] Do we know if 18.04.1 will be LTS too ? [10:10] nost - 18.04.1 would just be a re-spin of 18.04 (with updates...) [10:16] !isitoutyet [10:16] Not yet! [10:16] :P [10:21] I have only 2 GB RAM [10:27] guiverc: What is UST? [10:27] universal standard time (a politically correct way of saying GMT) [10:28] guiverc: Is that different from UTC? [10:28] !isitoutyet [10:28] Not yet! [10:28] okay - probably i used the wrong term - may bad sorry. [10:29] UTC is an actual implementation of UTC or something like that [10:29] of UTS* [10:29] erm, whatever, typing is hard [10:30] guiverc: Propably you didn't. I just found https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Time [10:31] :) [10:32] Will Bionic run on 2 GB RAM [10:33] arun007: I tried successfully with 1 GB. [10:33] vlt, thanks for question - I've added UTC to my '[gnome-]clocks' - which didn't know UST time ! [10:37] !party [10:37] Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, #edubuntu, and #lubuntu are support channels. To countdown to !bionic release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/3339/ [10:37] countdown? [10:38] that loco page seems sadly unupdated :( [10:40] Pitel, yeah, that one is, this one is better http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ [10:44] why isn't 'startup applications' integrated in the settings [10:48] Is it a coincidence that Ubuntu 18.04 is released on the same day as Chernobyl Disaster happened in 1986? [10:49] Or is Canonical trolling us? [10:52] or does every day in the year happened something? [10:54] lynxer: it's not a coincidence, and they're not trolling you. they're lizzard people who are controlling your mind and subconsciously reprogramming you with these apparently inocuous "coincidences". Also aliens and chemtrails. [11:13] how do i change login options on 18.04? i want to use another dm [11:14] AlexPortable: display managers are usually set from /etc/X11/default-display-manager, or by dpkg-reconfigure dm-package-name [11:15] or wm [11:15] gnome-session-flashback, what is that? i want to use it [11:15] That's a session [11:16] update-alternatives --config x-session-manager [11:16] hm nope didnt work [11:17] I don't know the UI that selects sessions in Ubuntu GNOME. It's usually saved in .dmrc and/or in /var/lib/AccountsService/users/username though. [11:18] so i have to edit that [11:18] You could; or you could wait for someone that uses GNOME :) [11:19] well isn't gnome the default interface in ubuntu? [11:19] Have you tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm3 [11:20] It's the default in Ubuntu GNOME, but there are many official flavors that have different defaults === Mutter is now known as ponderousbeaver [11:40] !isitout? [11:40] Not yet! [12:20] well, i *almost* made it to release day before i couldn't stand Ambiance any more [12:21] in the end it was the fiddly scrollbars that did me in [12:21] draget: you left the other channel before i could answer :) did anyone else anaswer you? [12:21] getting used to actually being able to click on a scrollbar easily again [12:23] I thought there was a relase but the main page hasnt been updated [12:23] tbh i can't remember the actual release date [12:23] is it today? [12:23] StrangeNoises: Fudge: it's still pending. please follow #ubuntu-release-party for updates [12:23] ah, it's today! [12:23] and yes, it's today [12:23] so i *did* make it to release-day [12:28] guessing this question has been asked a million times already today, but is there any news on the time of release for the 18.04 final? [12:28] Ghibli: #ubuntu-release-party for further updates [12:29] Thanks! [12:29] !party [12:29] Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, #edubuntu, and #lubuntu are support channels. To countdown to !bionic release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/3339/ [12:29] except the in-person party link is for Xenial :) [12:31] Ah sorry, back in here @Gargravarr :P [12:31] :) did you get an answer? [12:32] I was told that someone else had no issues creating a username with a dot. So this might be a bug. Then again, /etc/adduser.conf includes NAME_REGEX without a dot in current daily 18.04 Kubuntu. [12:32] this is correct. it's been in Ubuntu for a long time [12:33] I do not know about the betas, but I have created usernames with a dot in 16.04 without issues. [12:33] 'useradd' doesn't care about username formats [12:33] draget, i 'tested' with useradd sorry... [12:33] 'adduser' is the wrapper that uses the regex to validate username formats [12:33] Well, the adduser syntax is also applied during the installation. [12:33] i presume Ubiquity builds on top of 'adduser' [12:33] *nods* [12:33] yep. this is probably as designed [12:34] Has this really been like this for a long time? I never noticed… and kind of always use name.surname here at my company. [12:34] Okay, usually via LDAP… but was doing a local testinstall [12:35] !isitoutyet [12:35] Not yet! [12:35] yep. it's only 'adduser' for local users that enforces this. i also use LDAP here with user.name format without issues [12:36] Anyone getting screen tearing on the latest daily build? Currently running it off a Dell Latitude 7480. Don't remember seeing it on 16.04 ( Ubuntu Certified Hardware ) [12:37] eddyread1: during normal use or with fast-moving graphics? [12:37] normal use. Just moving windows around and scrolling web pages [12:38] i've got an 18.04 XPS beside me on the desktop and not seeing any screen tearing. do you have an external GPU or just onboard? [12:39] its the onboard Intel HD Graphics 620 [12:40] yeh I don't remember seeing it on 16.04 . Not enough to notice it atlease [12:40] *atleast [12:41] there are extra graphics drivers from Intel for 16.04, but the repo uses a SHA1 signature which Bionic now rejects [12:41] i see [12:45] so you might have the 01.org drivers installed on Xenial, but for the moment, there's no easy way to install them on Bionic [12:49] is/was there a similar issue with virtualbox/vmware? tried 18 in a VM over easter with poor usability [12:50] i expect it's not supported yet/then [12:50] Thanks for letting me know [12:51] !isitout? [12:51] Not yet! [12:51] When? [12:56] istr a recent story that intel are discontinuing their own driver installer for linux as superfluous. the default ones are up to date [12:57] vendor-made installers are the worst anyway [12:57] certainly no trace of tearing on this xps 13 with intel uhd graphics 620, in 4k@60 [12:57] even on Windows [12:59] i *did* get some tearing on an older machine, haswell, with hd4600. there's a single-stanza xorg.conf you can drop in that pretty much clears that up [13:00] i think this: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1522038#p1522038 [13:00] (even if you don't run arch, arch forums and wiki are often useful) [13:00] Arch Wiki is pretty much the handbook for Linux [13:09] !isitout? [13:09] Not yet! [13:10] !whenisitgoingtobeout? [13:10] xvifr: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [13:10] xD [13:23] eddyready: where shadows from other windows stayed on screen? [13:30] I just installed 18.04 desktop on a machine. Can I enable remote desktop if I am only currently able to SSH to the machine? (e.g. not possible to log in locally and enable screen sharing in the GUI.) [13:33] na2s: yes. you can either SSH-tunnel the RDP port, or you can start a VNC server remotely and use that instead [13:35] Gargravarr, the only problem is that remote desktop is not enabled yet on this machine. Wouldn't I need to have physical access to the machine to log in, start a graphical session, and enable the remote desktop server? [13:37] na2s: do you have root/admin/sudo access to the remote machine? [13:37] Gargravarr, yes [13:38] Basically I don't know how to log a user in to a gnome graphical session while connecting over SSH. [13:39] hmm, looks like Ubuntu RDP assumes a logged-in user first [13:39] your best bet may be to use VNC [13:40] VNC is low level enough that if I get it working, I'll just see the greeter/login screen and can proceed normally from there, right? It won't care about who is logged in etc [13:44] today is the 18.04 release date, correct? is there an irc channel . . . i seem to recall prior channels like #ubuntu-party or somesuch [13:44] #ubuntu-release-party [13:45] so.. what will this channel be about *tomorrow* [13:47] Norux: the release of 18.10 :) [13:47] eh, it looks like VNC starts its own X sessions; I'd really like a way to enable sharing of the same gnome environment that local users see, but I need to configure it all remotely by SSH. Any ideas? [13:47] thanks, sgiratch [13:47] na2s: before starting the VNC server from the command line (not a service): export DISPLAY=:0 [13:48] this will cause the VNC server to pick up the currently running graphical session [13:48] i never checked when the next major release will happen until now. therefore i was expecting 18.04 to be download as soon as i wake up today, but i guess i was wrong. does "released on 26th" mean it will be downloadable today at some time? [13:49] emx when it's ready [13:49] before the end of the day [13:50] ...which is UTC-12 :) [13:50] hm... k [13:50] cu tomorrow then :) [13:52] Good morning ! Any fix for the installer that wont start since the daily builds of yesterday (the 25 and 25.1) ? [13:54] Moc: in progress (and currently holding up the main release) [13:54] Ok, let me know if you want me to test a build on my laptop which the installer wont start [14:01] Is it out? [14:01] !isitout? [14:01] Not yet! [14:01] !anythingelse? [14:01] demahum: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [14:01] demahum: with the 2 latest daily build, the installer wont start on some computer [14:02] Moc: Sorry, can't help you at the moment. :) [14:02] demahum: I'm just telling you why it not out at the very lease [14:03] Moc: Oh, didn't get that part. Cool, thanks! :D [14:05] !thankyou [14:05] You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-) [14:06] How can I tell the name of the Xorg display run by the greeter? Like :0 :1 or something else? [14:07] it's in the $DISPLAY environment variable [14:09] Well, not if I ssh into the machine. I want the X display that the greeter is running on, but I want to retrieve that information with only SSH access [14:10] hello. ive update a machine to bionic few weeks ago. do i need to do something to switch to stable channel when its out? [14:10] !isitout [14:10] Not yet! [14:11] afx: no, you don't need to do anything [14:11] j1mc: thanks [14:12] as long as you haven't done any extra funky modifications to your sources.list files, you'll be on the regular build [14:12] afx: 'apt-get upgrade' would be useful to run, but that's useful to run regularly anyway :) === Moc2 is now known as Moc [14:17] yea :) [14:17] Gargravarr, I was able to get x11vnc to share an existing X session and it worked great after resolving auth issues; the vncserver package won't share an existing session. Thanks for your help with this. [14:18] na2s: np [14:18] and yes, getting separate CLI and graphical sessions to cooperate is often a pain [14:18] going to take some getting used to getting from 16.04 to 18.04 [14:19] I guess my biggest issue is with nautilus [14:21] oh great... I can't do Alt-F or any of the app menu anymore ! That really bug me now [14:22] !isitout [14:22] Not yet! [14:24] urm, alt-f work in firefox but not in the terminal [14:24] the release seems blocked [14:25] pmatulis_: the 2 latest build have installer issues on some computer (including mine) [14:28] it is being worked on [14:44] !isitout [14:44] Not yet! [14:46] demahum: not going to be releases for several hours [14:47] Moc: thanks [14:52] Haha, it's all waiting [14:52] yes [14:53] they are making us excited about the release. haha [14:55] I had to go out with my girlfriend today, so I didn't go to wait for 18.04. [14:55] thats good [15:00] !isitoutyet [15:00] Not yet! [15:01] are they going to release it today or not? [15:01] no idea [15:02] Do they know there are so many people waiting for it [15:03] wlp2s0: instsll beta 2 and upgrade, would be the same things [15:05] Moc, yes! it is the same thing but when you know that the stable release is about to come then the heart says just wait. isn't it? [15:05] ;) true, but the real wait would be for 18.04.1 [15:06] guys just go out, ride your bike for like an hour and come back, it'll be here [15:06] Moc, yes, that will be the true stable. [15:06] Well, in American Samoa it is as early as 4:05 AM, so it might not come soon and that's ok, don't wait. :) [15:07] demahum: even if it's 4am [15:07] go back to sleep [15:07] demahum, but ubuntu releases are based on London office? [15:07] loru: going to take more than 1 hours... there is no new daily build yet [15:07] rajivmars: Source? [15:07] oh [15:08] rajivmars: I don't think anyone anywhere specified the hour, especially not the timezone for the release. :) [15:08] so now how much more we will be waiting? [15:08] as long as it take [15:08] haha [15:08] Don't know, but from my perspective, as long as there is place on Earth where it's still 26th of April, it's ok. :) [15:09] yes [15:11] loru: I am not in American Samoa, just emphasizing the timezone, not waiting :D [15:13] here in India, it is 20:43. [15:23] rajivmars demahum: there was a last minute bugfix required for the ubuntu live session. the fix has only just been published, so there will be image rebuilds and some QA on those before they are released [15:24] acheronuk: thanks for the info [15:26] acheronuk, thanks:) === carla is now known as Guest85065 [15:36] acheronuk, any idea about how much time it is going to take to announce the release from now? [15:38] Can I specify in /etc/netplan/* that I want to override the DNS server provided by DHCP? I'm using the NetworkManager renderer. [15:38] rajivmars: release team have not mentioned how much testing they will want on new images, so hard to say [15:38] ok [15:40] Related: Where does NetworkManager store the config of "Wired connection 1" that is created during install? [15:41] Thanks! [15:41] i think they are not going to release it today. [15:45] acheronuk: My issue was with loading the X on the installer, not the live session... [15:57] rajivmars: I think they will. :) [15:57] demahum, i also think so [15:59] rajivmars: But you said: "i think they are not going to release it today." [15:59] yeah, hope [16:00] :) [16:06] !isitout [16:06] Not yet! [16:19] I just upgraded to 18.04 and now nothing on my system can verify SSL certs. I'm not sure what's going on. [16:21] vaindil: what's the command you're using and the exact error you're receiving? (pastebin, please) :) [16:22] SlidingHorn: Anything I do that requires an SSL cert. wget, python, openssl_s_client, everything. The errors are all that the certificate verification failed, or that a local certificate could not be found. [16:22] I updated my ca-certificates in /etc/ssl/certs, I'm fairly certain it's correct [16:22] I'm connecting to www.google.com to test [16:23] Hmm, looks like curl does work though [16:23] none of the others do [16:24] running curl with verbose shows that it's using /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt, as it should [16:24] I can't get any of the others to say where they're looking [16:28] is 18.04 released the normal channel is saying "not yet?" (geesh it's already tomorrow in Suva!!?) [16:29] donofrio: no, not yet. this is being vigorously argued in #ubuntu-release-party [16:56] I have http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ open in an auto-refresh tab. It'll be out sooner or later. [16:56] later [16:57] lol [16:57] respin due - then testing that - then herding cats - then setting it all up - then releasing [16:57] I'll be asleep probably :D === rob__ is now known as pyrobmancer [18:27] where can we get 18.04 LTS Desktop amd x86_64 [18:27] en1gma: not out yet [18:27] what about the daily release? [18:28] !party | en1gma [18:28] en1gma: Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, #edubuntu, and #lubuntu are support channels. To countdown to !bionic release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/3339/ [18:28] is that the official 18.04 LTS? [18:28] no, it's a daily release [18:28] ok. wasnt sure. someone said it was the official LTS [18:28] thanks [18:29] yup. every year people act like the most recent daily build is inevitably going to be the final release, and completely ignore all the previous times when that wasn't true [18:29] i believe we're doing respins this time too, so it'll be different this time too [18:32] i think im gonna get the daily build for 16.04 LTS. during install it asks if you want to download updates while installing. if i leave both options un-checked for 3rd party and also updates when i reboot will there be any updates showing up in apt or notifications? [18:33] !final | en1gma [18:33] en1gma: If you install a development version of Ubuntu Bionic and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of 18.04 when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade » in a terminal. [18:33] ok thanks [18:34] man its got to be getting close to realse time though. its 1:30pm my tume in central usa gmt-6 [18:39] is it going to be today? [18:39] mcveigh: yes [18:45] i was gonna dl 16.04 lts and install it over this 18.04 freeze but i think i will just wait for official 18.04lts today [18:45] tonight.... [18:45] tomorrow ....no [18:45] !isitoutnow [18:45] !isitoutnow? [18:45] erle-: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [18:45] !isitoutnow [18:45] lol [18:46] there was some command [18:47] actually there was just a respin, so more testing please [18:47] zsync and report here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/389/builds [18:47] plz [18:47] i not clicking that link :) [18:49] valorie oh maybe. so what is that? is that the latest 18.04? [18:50] last minute bug found and fixed [18:50] the slideshow wasn't completely translated [18:50] and there was a problem in some of the live sessions [18:52]