=== pchoo_ is now known as pchoo [02:36] any chance of updating the topic in main to say that the time of the release is unknown, and an announcement will be made? [02:36] or something of that sort? [02:50] I don't personally think it's worth the trouble. [03:08] I just ask because it's almost the only thing people are asking right now and it's every few minutes, it seems [04:06] Hi guys, just want to inquire the exact time Ubuntu 18.04 will be released? with timezone? Thank you very much. [04:08] xcraft: there isn't one. [04:09] Oh okay, just anytime of April 26? Great thanks! [05:11] Today At which time ubuntu 18.04 will be released for download [05:11] codetoaj: during the day [05:11] !party | codetoaj [05:11] codetoaj: Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, #edubuntu, and #lubuntu are support channels. To countdown to !bionic release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/3339/ [05:12] morning guys [05:12] thank lotuspsychje, ubot5 [05:19] lotuspsychje: It's a " isitoutyet" time .. Not much else going on :) [05:20] hehe [05:20] Bashing-om: think big rush tonight [05:21] lotuspsychje: Last I was aware the release team had the release window at between 12:00 and 14:00 UTC .. Seen a couple of hic ups since . [05:22] cool [05:49] good morning! [05:49] hey ducasse welcome to bionic dday [05:50] hi lotuspsychje [05:50] yeah, and a zillion people asking "when will it be out?" :-/ [05:51] yeah Bashing-om got catched those during night for us :p [05:51] ducasse: Naw .. just every 3rd one :) [05:52] hiya Bashing-om - hehe, been a long session? :) [05:55] ducasse: Morn'n .. no the session has been steady - not much dramma :P [05:55] breakfast time here [05:56] enjoy, lotuspsychje :) [05:56] tnx :p [06:42] G nite, yall can watch for bionic \o [08:31] have a nice release day, off to work [09:39] !ping [09:39] pong! [09:41] are you doing meta irc? :D [10:33] Hiyas all [10:34] gm BluesKaj [10:34] 'Morning JimBuntu [10:36] hmm, no release party chat set up yet [10:37] !party [10:37] Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, #edubuntu, and #lubuntu are support channels. To countdown to !bionic release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/3339/ [10:39] is it out yet? :-) [10:40] hi BluesKaj [10:40] not much of an upgrade Bionic this morning , just a few libs [10:40] Hi LtWorf [10:43] BluesKaj: try debian sid, that has more upgrades :p [10:45] I ran debian stretch for a while, liked the OS a lot but the support chat is full of pedantic jerks ...it's really too bad [10:46] BluesKaj, 'sid' (the kid next door in toy-story as I recall) is one-step-upstream from testing (10 days of stability in sid causes move to testing) [10:54] toy story oh lord I must be getting old, when did that become some kind of iconic movie? [10:57] oh well, i should have realized here were childish types involved with debian releases :-) [10:58] stretch, buster, potato, wheezy - debian has used names of toy-story characters since the movie; (versions before movie-name adoption just had numbers). the boy next door is how I remember that `sid` is the version that is 'dangerous' (testing currently is buster) [10:58] :) LOL !! [10:59] permanently unstable :P [10:59] * BluesKaj shrugs, that esplanation only underlines my thoughts about someof the devs behind debian [10:59] tsimonq2: i agree with SlidingHorn's earlier comments about changing the topic, can someone put a message about #ubuntu-release-party in the topic for #ubuntu? [11:00] :) [i like debian - ubuntu didn't exist way back when...] [11:00] otherwise i think the bot is going to protest at being overworked :) [11:00] guiverc: i loved Debian, right until they followed the mainstream into systemd. i run Devuan on servers now [11:01] :) [11:01] (i was somewhat disappointed by the sysd adoption; but also not surprised) [11:02] guiverc, yes I recall debian back in 2005, that's what led me to ubuntu then kubuntu [11:04] I'm sort of neutral about systemd, I hear a lot of negative comments about it and very few positive ones, but it does work ...so far [11:27] why ubuntu 18.04 still not available to download in official site, as today is the release date [11:28] codetoaj, Today is the release day, this is not the release hour though [11:28] codetoaj, it will become available when they feel confident enough with the tests based on the latest updates [11:29] can i able to download it by today? [11:31] codetoaj, depending on your timezone, you should be able to. The release schedule still shows today as the release date. [11:32] Thanks JimBuntu, expecting the release with fingers crossed, an ubuntu fan [11:32] !party | codetoaj [11:32] codetoaj: Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, #edubuntu, and #lubuntu are support channels. To countdown to !bionic release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/3339/ [11:33] ubot5`: feeling exited [11:34] ubot5`: feeling excited [11:48] Hello, Does anyone have an idea at what time will 18.04 will be released? [11:49] no [11:51] BluesKaj, "no" & "not yet" are probably going to be your most used words today ;-D [11:51] NiGHTLY, join #ubuntu-release-party that's where and when the official release anouncement is usually made [11:51] oh thanks [12:00] Typically, "it's ready when it's ready" [12:00] Wohoo! Release date! [12:01] 13 hours before and it was Release Date for me [12:01] Timezones in a nutshell [13:08] can someone do something about the 'asy*' nicks please? [13:08] Gargravarr: let them know in #ubuntu-ops or use the !ops factoid [13:09] EriC^^: thanks [13:13] 'channel emergency'? sheesh :) [13:16] :) [13:16] sound the troll alarm! [13:26] will the .torrent file for the new release show up on the mirrors before it shows up here: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads [13:27] closedAdams: time to start the ball dropping? [13:27] oh, i misread [13:28] unlikely. the mirrors will sync periodically. it will probably be a few hours before the torrents show up [13:28] ah ok. I'll be patient. I just want to get it and seed. [13:31] So I'll just refresh that page every few seconds all day today. [13:33] * SlidingHorn expects that the most impatient people asking about the release are the ones that should wait to install it [13:34] So very very true! [13:34] SlidingHorn: somehow i think you're right :) [13:35] SNT syndrome [13:38] Oh I don't want to install it. I just want to seed the torrent. Why read the book when you can just hold it? :D [13:39] the !isitoutyet should just reply with updates for the release are at #ubuntu-release-party [13:39] closedAdams: I moreso meant the folks asking repeatedly in the support channel [13:40] gotcha [13:49] I actually am hoping it drops soon also, because I'm going to be out of town for the weekend and I'd like to seed it as well closedAdams [13:50] you could set up a shell script that downloads the .torrent and puts in in a watch directory. [14:17] "I filed a bug a week ago and no one responded - why should I file again?" (did not file a bug a week ago) [14:18] and we don't get to call these people idiots because...? [14:18] (yeah, i know - coc) [14:19] ducasse, because they haven't filled out their ID10T form yet, have them fill that out first [14:19] :) [14:20] be sly and call it the id ten tee form [14:22] i'll remember that :) [14:23] dafty got banned for using that word, so best be careful [14:24] wow, I knew he got banned, didn't realize it was for that [14:25] whoever it was probably deserved it, too [14:26] gtg, going out with a friend. ttyl [14:27] have fun [15:56] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbtnOTwUwAA9XiH.jpg:large -- Is that fair-use to bring community together, or would it be a trademark issue? Re: Ubuntu in both mannerisms. [15:57] dunno if it can be trademarked since it's first and foremost and African concept [15:57] *an [16:01] NoCode: that symbol in the grass is not the ubuntu logo [16:02] daftykins: and yes, the ubuntu logo and name can be and is trademarked [16:02] https://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms-and-policies/intellectual-property-policy [16:03] But in this case with the landscaping, that is not the ubuntu logo so it doesn't matter [16:03] Okay, I won't throw a curveball at the city suggesting it could be infringement. [16:08] daftykins, leftyfb: Thanks [16:37] lol you guys waited for me? [16:39] lotuspsychje: we couldn't let you go without the constant "OMG IS IT OUT YET" annoyance :) [16:40] lol [16:40] (from people who, for the most part, shouldn't be installing the new release yet, probably) [16:40] 1723 users, i knew it would rocknroll [16:40] hi lotuspsychje, SlidingHorn [16:41] still noisy? [16:41] SlidingHorn: indeed, most users want new right away, with LTS power [16:41] hey ducasse [16:48] !releasenotes [16:48] Ubuntu 16.04 (Xenial Xerus) release notes can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes [17:02] lol party is going nuts [17:08] Well, it is a party [17:11] trolls and all [17:12] they should at least activate a flood kick? [17:12] they should add some community members to the op list since we know the devs are busy [17:13] leftyfb, there is an op.. me [17:14] but do we really need to take action ?? [17:14] * leftyfb hands oerheks some boots [17:14] ;) [17:14] ..if they start to countdown again.. [17:14] lotuspsychje: the flood bot is in there... just takes a lot to trigger it [17:14] go for it oerheks [17:14] we could have done without the countdown ... and freehugz an php_something are both clearly there to only troll [17:15] php_create [17:15] but without them...it'd be earily quiet [17:15] you'd be surprised how much trolls discourage others from bothering to post anything [17:16] mute the trolls? take away their voice [17:16] +1 [17:16] but then Bugz will complain about not being open sourcy enough :) [17:17] hey EriC^^ [17:17] evening all [17:17] hey lotuspsychje [17:18] how's your evening? [17:18] 1734 users! we did it :p [17:18] heh yeah :D [17:18] fine here what about you EriC^^ [17:18] does anyone know when bionic will be release? [17:18] :/ [17:18] oomni: during the day [17:18] oomni: it will be released on April 26th [17:18] fine here not bad [17:19] ok [17:20] !ping [17:20] pong! [17:22] oerheks: care to chime in with our friend freehUgsz's latest post? [17:23] dang, i am restricted, no ops in releaseparty :-( [17:23] it's raining here oddly enough [17:33] nuthouse [17:33] that freehughs is pepermuntjes, the famous troll in ##linux :-D [17:34] i saw him join before [17:37] so why are they allowed to be on Ubuntu channels if all they ever do is troll? [17:37] because they behave on main channels leftyfb [17:37] lonely people [17:38] I'm guessing the release party isn't a 100% offical room anyways? [17:38] leftyfb: sounds like i was mixing up copyright and trademark in my head again :> [17:38] its to avoid users spamming main [17:39] ...well that's working wonderfully /s [17:42] ok, then if trolls are welcome with open arms in there, then there's really no benefit to be there .... /part 'ed [17:42] thats true leftyfb [17:42] kinda sucks that we're sending people there who legitimately are interested in the event [17:43] a party should be fun [17:43] exactly [17:43] but it's all we can do [17:43] and yet trolls are allowed to run ramped [17:44] That's not true. Boot the trolls [17:44] who has the power? I don't dare trigger !ops to see if it works [17:44] i already tried [17:44] oerheks does [17:44] but doesn't see the value in booting the trolls [17:44] huh? [17:44] oerheks: just said they didn't have any power [17:45] doesnt have powers there leftyfb [17:45] leftyfb, there is an op.. me [17:45] but do we really need to take action ?? [17:45] what's the problem [17:45] Nope, sorry, any ubuntu channel, but #ubuntu and releaseparty :-( [17:45] Tm_T: some users flooded in party ealier mate, we discussing it [17:45] it's well beyond just the flooding [17:45] still issue? [17:45] there's blatant trolls in there [17:46] Tm_T, that freehughs is a faul-maul. i posted in -ops, but no response [17:46] Tm_T: that freehugs guy [17:46] I joined the channel and saw immediately some icky stuff [17:46] Tm_T: also php_create [17:46] = pepermuntjes, maybe that helps shed a light [17:46] seems to be a problem of unresponsive ops in general [17:47] I'm quite shocked they haven't talked about the name of the release in an immature manor [17:48] I'm stuck with family stuff so cannot help much patrolling [17:48] Tm_T: can you suggest to the rest that they need to gain fresh blood? [17:48] there's so little getting done from what i keep hearing [17:49] daftykins: it's not new issue I'm afraid [17:49] oh indeed, but doing something about it seems to be lacking [17:50] if you see something red, it is not out [17:50] curl http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ | grep beta [17:50] Tm_T: having a handful of ops who are usually too busy to monitor isn't really all that helpful. Could we petition the powers that be to add some ops to the list? Preferably in spread out timezones. [17:50] oerheks: will you be seeding again? [17:50] daftykins: I hear you, will try see if there's something I can do [17:51] leftyfb: any volunteers? [17:51] lotuspsychje, sure, seeding from pc, and upgrading laptop first [17:51] Tm_T: I most certainly would volunteer. I've been running #ubuntu on EFnet since about 2010 [17:51] oerheks: all flavors, or just ubuntu-desktop? [17:52] i think i will try all, my speed up can handle all i guess [17:52] cool [17:52] I'll be seeding when I get home tonight [17:55] I might also be testing my works software stack on 18.04 really soon. It's funny, I'm still in the process of upgrading from trusty to xenial [17:56] pragmaticenigma: tell him to file a bug report xD [17:58] part of me wants to ignore bionic and move some other stuff to xenial still [17:58] reaaaaally not fond of the way the wind is blowing on many fronts [18:06] !info uck bionic [18:06] uck (source: uck): Tool to customize official Ubuntu Live CDs. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.4.7-0ubuntu2 (bionic), package size 145 kB, installed size 384 kB [18:07] why still in repos oerheks ? [18:07] uck not supported anymore? I never know about it.... sounds useful [18:07] not sure,.. [18:08] thought it became unsupported years ago? [18:08] weren't folks burning coasters constantly... [18:08] yeah could be of those un well maintained ones [18:08] maybe the ppa is oke? https://launchpad.net/~uck-team/+archive/ubuntu/uck-stable [18:09] i have bad experience with it [18:10] last update was 2013 [18:10] and before that 2011 [18:10] that's a no-touchy project :) [18:10] indeed [18:10] i wonder why they still get into bionic then [18:10] nobody filters that? [18:11] lazy support=no more welcome to newer releases? [18:11] nobody besides someone that tries it to flag it as broken i imagine [18:12] bit bad really "look at all the software available" -> and how much works? :> [18:13] well alot of usefull packages out there, do work alot [18:13] but surely alot of stuff needed to be filtered [18:24] hmmmmm [18:24] -queuebot/#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base amd64 [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180426) [18:24] -queuebot/#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base arm64 [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180426) [18:24] -queuebot/#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base armhf [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180426) [18:24] -queuebot/#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base i386 [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180426) [18:24] -queuebot/#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base ppc64el [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180426) [18:24] -queuebot/#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Base s390x [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180426) [18:24] -queuebot/#ubuntu-release- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Bionic Final] has been marked as ready [18:24] -queuebot/#ubuntu-release- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop i386 [Bionic Final] has been marked as ready [18:24] * roelandp (~roelandp@ip-185-133-109-110.fiber.nl) has joined [18:24] -queuebot/#ubuntu-release- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180425.1) [18:24] SPAM!! [18:24] :) [18:24] -queuebot/#ubuntu-release- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop i386 [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180425.1) [18:24] -queuebot/#ubuntu-release- Builds: Lubuntu Alternate amd64 [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180426) [18:24] :p [18:24] -queuebot/#ubuntu-release- Builds: Lubuntu Alternate i386 [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180426) [18:25] !paste | oerheks [18:25] oerheks: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [18:25] oops [18:25] building in progress [18:25] lol [18:27] oerheks: we do that in #ubuntu-release-party :-P [18:28] excitement :p [19:19] Is 18.04 LTS still scheduled for release today? [19:20] JoBbZ: please join us in #ubuntu-release-party for update [19:20] thanks! [19:39] hey guys is 18.04 out yet [19:39] hey is the LTS out yet [19:40] hey why isn't 18.04 out yet [19:40] guys what the heck where's 18.04 it's like 2:00pm where I live [19:40] rinse, repeat [19:41] nicomachus: join us in #ubuntu-release-party for more information [19:41] lol - he knows...he's just making a joke about the current state of the main support channel I think [19:41] pragmaticenigma: what sorry I can't read where is 18.04???!?!?!?114 [19:42] !flood [19:42] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [19:42] I tried do-release-upgrade sudo sudo update!! and it didn't work! [19:42] try harder nicomachus [19:42] :D [19:42] 18.04 Server Build failed... nother 6 hours to wait [19:42] nacc: oh, sorry, thought you were op [19:42] nicomachus: np [19:43] daftykins: been watching much baseball this season? [19:44] not a whole lot so far, the Royals are of course barely the Royals anymore [19:44] nicomachus: was sure to get the free sub again still though ;) and they finally got an HTML5 player! no more flash rubbish [19:44] they're doing real bad [19:45] I've been watching a few games on Facebook and Twitter which I hate but at the same time it's free(ish). [19:45] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [19:45] We moved and didn't sign up for cable at the new place, so I can't watch games at home unless I bite the bullet and pay for MLB.tv [19:58] nicomachus: ah, then you'd have blackout restrictions anyway right? [19:58] probably [19:59] Ups [20:02] hey xangua [20:08] Hey [20:08] New ubuntu, bye bye unity :-( [20:08] yep [20:08] but unity will be installable [20:09] Wonder how it looks like [20:10] found few desktop shots on deviantart lately [20:12] xangua: https://www.deviantart.com/art/Unity-the-one-that-works-741497784 [20:13] https://www.deviantart.com/art/Unity-1-739160105 [20:13] lotuspsychje: that's not unity, it's the new ubuntu dock [20:13] Gnome shell + ubuntu dock [20:13] Guess I'll have to try it myself [20:14] !info ubuntu-unity-desktop bionic [20:14] ubuntu-unity-desktop (source: ubuntu-unity-meta): The Ubuntu Unity desktop system. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1 (bionic), package size 2 kB, installed size 8 kB (Only available for amd64; arm64; armhf; i386; ppc64el) [20:15] Ooh wait it is unity, I clicked the image below [20:44] desktop ISO is ready [20:44] hggdh, yeah > jibel, looks like we can mark ubuntu desktop ready [20:45] aye... [20:45] yayy [20:58] !isitout [20:58] Not yet! [20:59] Bashing-om: they testing the iso's atm [20:59] Bashing-om: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/389/builds [21:00] nite nite all [21:00] catching up tomorrows [21:00] lotuspsychje: Expected the release to be delayed :) [21:02] someone just have their VPN unbanned? [21:03] SlidingHorn: We getting spammed in main ? [21:04] no, just saw el unban (that's what -bbb is, right?) a few different IPs [21:05] SlidingHorn: Now ya want me to air my own ignorance :) [22:48] the asy* bot thing is back...