[06:55] <AuroraAvenue> knightwise : current situation [ https://imgur.com/GyILbYC ] Hotel in Burnley on hoel wifi - no there's no talcum powder in the room.
[07:14] <SuperMatt> happy *buntu day!
[07:24] <zmoylan-pi> another day, another distro... :-P
[07:31] <AuroraAvenue> whats is that subreddit about cassette culture named again ? I s it the Alt-J relaxer cassette ?
[07:46] <zmoylan-pi> i would have thought it would be named something like, bring_your_own_pencil :-)
[07:48] <AuroraAvenue> zmoylan-pi, so you're a belgian rebel with a pecil, hey ? Huh ...
[07:55] <AuroraAvenue> https://youtu.be/_rsycfDliZU?t=4s
[08:30] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:39] <AuroraAvenue> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiMXd4U8kFQ | how mu ch a plastic squirrel these days ?
[08:40] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[08:50] <brobostigon> o/
[08:53]  * zmoylan-pi waits patiently for xubuntu so it will be a while yet...
[08:54] <BionicMatt> You can probably just upgrade now without any issues
[08:57] <brobostigon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseAnnouncement seems release has happened.
[09:02] <ali1234> that's early
[09:02] <ali1234> isnt it normally released at like 4pm?
[09:02] <brobostigon> no idea.
[09:03] <ali1234> also isn't it normally official when that mail is sent to ubuntu-devel list?
[09:05] <ali1234> lenovo have finally released a stand alone update iso for x250 bios, so i'll be applying that first... when i figure out how to boot it from USB
[09:09] <knightwise> hey peeps
[09:10] <brobostigon> hi
[09:10] <knightwise> hey brobostigon how are you dude
[09:11] <brobostigon> half asleep, and you?
[09:12] <knightwise> at work, trying to make the day go by faster
[09:13] <brobostigon> good luck.
[09:24] <knightwise> yeah ..
[09:24] <knightwise> been trying out ubuntu 18.04 over the last  week
[09:25] <knightwise> looks realy good
[09:25] <knightwise> broke my install yesterday by trying out the community theme
[10:45] <psutton> hi all
[10:46] <brobostigon> hi
[10:47] <psutton> just waiting for the 18.04 release
[10:47] <brobostigon> :)
[10:47] <psutton> i have 4 labels printed out ready too
[10:48] <zmoylan-pi> a badly scribbled label with a sharpie on a dvd not good enough? :-)
[10:49] <psutton> i have printed lables off
[10:49] <psutton> as i have pressit label kit
[10:49] <psutton> so just need to burn dvd, test it then stick a label on
[10:50] <zmoylan-pi> whatever happened to the tech that allowed you to print pics on the data side of the discs...
[10:50] <psutton> zmoylan-pi: hand written labels are good for personal use,  looks bad if giving out cds / dvds
[10:50] <psutton> zmoylan-pi: lightscribe
[10:50] <psutton> or is that differet
[10:51] <zmoylan-pi> ppppftttt... i sent critical security patches on reformatted aol floppies back in the day :-D
[10:51] <psutton> lol
[10:51] <psutton> i remember installing slackware from floppy
[10:51] <psutton> used rawrite from MSDOS to create the disk sets
[10:52] <zmoylan-pi> install instructions written in pencil on a post-it... a really professional organisation... :-)
[10:52] <psutton> oddly that was havng to copy to the floppy disks from cdrom as linux didn't quite support cd drives as well back then
[10:53] <psutton> i am guessing 18.04 isn;t out yet,
[10:54] <psutton> looking at the website, i do get old sites caught up in the cache sometimes,
[10:54] <zmoylan-pi> i think it is... i'm waiting for the xubuntu flavour...
[10:54] <psutton> ok
[10:54] <zmoylan-pi> i never got on with unity
[10:54] <psutton> i think ubuntu uses gnome now
[10:56] <zmoylan-pi> except for a few months when i had a laptop that resisted removing windows 8 and when i finally got ubuntu on after a few months it was less unpleasent than win 8 for a few months... :-)
[10:56] <psutton> i use x/lubuntu on netbooks
[10:56] <psutton> and mint on main desktop
[10:56] <zmoylan-pi> less of a memory hog
[10:56] <psutton> however given how well suported both ubuntu and mint are,  sometimes it is good to go with what is well supported
[10:56] <psutton> yeah xubuntu is nice
[10:57] <psutton> esp when installing for others
[10:57] <psutton> debian is another option, for installs
[10:58] <knightwise> i have been running the final beta since the beginning of the week , very pleased with it so far
[10:59] <psutton> i am also waiting for the server release for my od PC which I am using as a server
[10:59] <psutton> or want to stick 18.04 server on and hve a go with stuff
[10:59] <psutton> mainly put the assault cube back on
[10:59] <zmoylan-pi> xubuntu has a nice win2000 ui feel that i like
[11:00] <psutton> yeah
[11:00] <psutton> i remember getting boxes of ubuntu cd's from people on here
[11:01] <zmoylan-pi> i just bought linux mags with the discs on the front and if anyone asked i'd pass them along
[11:02] <psutton> i am guessing the next issues will have ubuntu 18.04 on anyway
[11:02] <psutton> which is handy for the various flavours
[11:02] <zmoylan-pi> before broadband it was often the easiest way...
[11:02] <psutton> mint 19 is out may / june as that is based on ubuntu
[11:03] <psutton> i am hoping warzone2100 will work, it crashes on my main system when run
[11:04] <zmoylan-pi> give me a browser, a text editor and a terminal to steer them by...
[11:05] <psutton> i also have a stack of flash disks that are going to need updating
[11:06] <psutton> thankfully the tech jam is taking a few months off
[11:06] <psutton> so i have time to make up resources like that
[14:28] <zleap> hi maxam9
[14:44] <maxam9> zleap: hi
[14:46] <zleap> hows you ?
[14:46] <maxam9> ok thanks
[14:46] <zleap> cool
[14:47] <zleap> i like the sound of the minimal install feature in 18.04
[14:49] <zmoylan-pi> lots of chromebooks getting an install with less storage for just the os i suppose
[15:09] <zleap> well chromebooks use google apps don't they,  great if you have a good internet connection and want to sign up to google
[15:10] <daftykins> Swedish guy in another channel works at a school or similar and is pushing chromebooks out for everything, can't help but feel i'd feel very restricted on such a device
[15:10] <daftykins> makes sense for the students who are highly likely to regularly break them though
[15:11] <zmoylan-pi> yes, but you can also wipe chromeos and put crouton on and use linux :-)
[15:12] <daftykins> yeah i've done it for people - it was a real abortion of an implementation
[15:12] <zmoylan-pi> chromebooks are _great_ for schools. cheap and easy to centrally manage
[15:13] <zleap> yeah
[15:13] <zleap> i have heard of crouton
[15:13] <zmoylan-pi> and isn't there a new option that's even better than crouton that means the chromebook doesn't even need to be in developer mode?
[15:14] <zmoylan-pi> so turns the chromebook into a netbook
[15:14] <daftykins> sounds like something someone recently said, i forget the detail though
[15:15] <zmoylan-pi> crostini
[15:16]  * zmoylan-pi pats newsbeuter for been a keystroke away on my rasp pi... :-)
[15:16] <daftykins> beuter o0
[15:17] <zmoylan-pi> https://liliputing.com/2018/04/googles-crostini-lets-you-run-gnu-linux-apps-on-chromebooks-without-enabling-developer-mode.html
[15:22] <daftykins> now the limited storage space will become even more of a problem!
[15:23] <zleap>  i am guessing they used an ssd
[15:24] <zleap> can internal storage be upgraded, i am sure the acer aspire ones (or eeepcs) could be upgraded
[15:24] <daftykins> no they didn't
[15:25] <zmoylan-pi> on the windows /chromebook/ i got, no panel at bottom to upgrade ram or drive so i'm guessing it's soldered on
[15:25] <daftykins> they're eMMCs typically so a lot more limited i think, but then there are a lot of models of chromebook so who knows what the higher end ones are
[15:25] <zleap> i guess you need to do a lot of research on em
[15:26] <zleap> I have a few netbooks (HP 10" screens) they seem to run chromium
[15:26] <zleap> i think chromium is a OSS version of chromeOS
[15:27] <zleap> hp Mini 210
[15:27] <zmoylan-pi> i thought chromium was a degoogled chrome browser
[15:27] <daftykins> i think that's the browser on its' own
[15:27] <daftykins> the open source project Google Chrome the browser is based upon
[15:27] <daftykins> !info chromium-browser
[15:27] <zmoylan-pi> i have a hp mini 210... great little netbook
[15:27] <lubotu3`> chromium-browser (source: chromium-browser): Chromium web browser, open-source version of Chrome. In component universe, is optional. Version 65.0.3325.181-0ubuntu0.17.10.1 (artful), package size 51346 kB, installed size 183040 kB
[15:27] <zleap> dunno., i think these things get intgerchanged, and it gets confusing what people are refering to
[15:27] <daftykins> ^
[15:28] <zleap> ok so running chromeOS then, one of the young people downloaded something to make netbook in to a chrome book
[15:28] <zleap> zmoylan-pi: i have a stack of em the school I worked at
[15:29] <zleap> they run lubuntu really nicely so some of them have that onm,  the others are awaiting an OS
[15:29] <zmoylan-pi> and the hp mini 210 could be upgraded from 1gb it was shipped with to 2gb
[15:30] <zleap> yeah I need to do that with the one I use
[15:30] <daftykins> i wouldn't consider 2GB practical now
[15:30] <zleap> well 2gb is better than 1gb
[15:30] <zleap> i think if you are careful what you install you're fine with em
[15:30] <zmoylan-pi> i only stopped using the 1gb hp a year or two back as my main system :-)
[15:30] <daftykins> and a thrown out netbook is better than a netbook :>
[15:30] <zleap> yeah
[15:31] <zleap> actually they run the Raspbian desktop really well
[15:31] <zleap> now there is gpip extender it is possible to plkug in a raspberry pi and get access to the GPIO
[15:31] <daftykins> i think standards vary a lot, the minute you put modern websites or a youtube video near a device that's a real test of whether it'll sink or swim
[15:32] <zleap> but that also depends on your internet speed / connection quality
[15:32] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, the hp was great as long as you didn't use the web... :-)
[15:32] <zleap> mine is ok
[15:32] <zleap> granted I don't do much intensive stuff,  on it
[15:32] <zleap> runs weechat nicely
[15:32] <zmoylan-pi> then it was okish as long as you only had a few pages open and those not too busy with css/video etc.
[15:32] <zleap> yeah
[15:33] <zleap> i will upgrade mine to 2gb
[15:33] <daftykins> and heavily adblock :P
[15:33] <zmoylan-pi> lynx as your main browser... :-)
[15:33] <daftykins> hah
[15:34] <zleap> lynx, alpine and irc
[15:34] <zleap> weechat or irssi what else do ya need
[15:34] <zmoylan-pi> and don't forget newsbeuter for rss :-)
[15:34] <zleap> yeah
[15:34] <zleap> tmux for multi desktops
[15:34] <zmoylan-pi> tytter for twitter
[15:34] <zmoylan-pi> sc for spreadsheets
[15:34] <daftykins> well when you look on ebay and can get a 12 or 14" Lenovo Thinkpad with an i5 4th gen (haswell), 8GB RAM and 256GB SSD for £200 it begs the question why limit yourself
[15:34] <zleap> and stuff lke cmatrix, and top to scrare the heck out of the general public
[15:35] <zmoylan-pi> nano for text or vim
[15:35] <zleap> oh and cat /dev/random (or what ever it is)
[15:35] <zleap> anyone looking over your sholder things you some uber hacker trying to break in to something
[15:35] <zleap> ping -100 localhost :D
[15:35] <zleap> ping - t 100 localhost :D
[15:35] <daftykins> -c 100
[15:35] <zleap> yeah
[15:36] <daftykins> zleap noted user of hackertyper.com ;)
[15:36] <zleap> what is that
[15:36] <zleap> i just get a blank page
[15:36] <daftykins> start hitting keys
[15:37] <zmoylan-pi> right, time to limp to the shops... o/
[15:37] <daftykins> enjoy o/
[15:37] <zleap> that is good
[15:38] <zleap> esp if you hit the keyboard really fast
[15:38] <zleap> :D
[15:39] <zleap> daftykins: what do people think when the see you using that site ?
[15:40] <daftykins> haha i was told about it by a woman from the Netherlands, i don't feel the need to pretend :P
[15:42] <zleap> ah
[15:42] <zleap> it could get people in to trouble at school though
[15:43] <zleap> teachers are paranoid, (esp the clueless ones)
[15:49]  * zleap wonders when 18.04 is going to be out today
[19:17] <zleap> how is the last min bug squishing going ? :)
[19:18] <zmoylan-pi> is it anything like starship troopers? do you want to know more? :-)
[19:20] <zleap> just asking how it was going,  aparently they found a critcal bug at the last minute
[19:20] <zleap> hats off to teh testing team i guess :)
[19:21] <zmoylan-pi> it can be a very hard decision to put the brakes on at the very last moment before release
[19:24] <zleap> yeah
[19:24] <zleap> must have been something very serious
[19:25] <zmoylan-pi> or embarrassing... someone mispelled ubuntu... :-P
[19:25] <zleap> i have written a script that will download the iso,  download the MD5SUMS file and runs a check on the iso
[19:25] <zleap> once downloaded
[19:27] <zmoylan-pi> i usually wait for xubuntu, then wait a week more in case there's trouble then give it a bash...
[19:27] <zleap> yeah
[19:27] <zleap> i got a script ready either way
[19:27] <zleap> i can modify that for what ever i want
[19:28]  * zmoylan-pi goes back to seeing if i can get street view working on my shiny nokia 3310... :-)
[19:29] <zleap> ok
[19:29] <zmoylan-pi> huzzah, i just missed the option
[19:30] <zleap> ah :) so it works
[19:30] <zmoylan-pi> yes, it looks bizzare to see what is essentially a dumbphone wuth street view... :-)
[19:31] <zleap> ah
[19:32] <zleap> dumbphone, oh non smart phone thing
[19:32] <zleap> iirc you can buy the screens for 3310s for artduino projects
[19:38] <zmoylan-pi> https://twitter.com/angryearthling/status/989589439935647745
[19:41] <zleap> i replied as @dcglug
[19:41] <zleap> cool
[19:42] <zleap> hi AuroraAvenue
[19:43] <AuroraAvenue> I don't want to e that guy, sorry.
[19:43] <AuroraAvenue> **be
[19:44] <zleap> be who ?
[19:44] <AuroraAvenue> the guy who has vodka at a funeral.
[19:44] <zleap> ok
[19:45] <zmoylan-pi> poitín it is... :-P
[19:46] <zleap> i was just replying to the tweet about streetview on a nokia
[19:46] <AuroraAvenue> streetview - it needs a mask
[19:46] <AuroraAvenue> does anything else do streetview, (not a game tho)
[19:46] <AuroraAvenue> ^ ?
[19:48]  * AuroraAvenue grips a packet of Brie And Cranberry Crisps.
[19:49] <zleap> there is open street map, and openstreetview
[19:50] <zleap> very much work in progress and user contributions
[19:50] <zmoylan-pi> sadly they have no java client for dumbphones...
[19:50] <zmoylan-pi> i have looked
[19:50] <zleap> is there an api
[19:50] <zleap> someone could write one
[19:50] <zmoylan-pi> number of people writing apps for dumbphones now is fairly low...
[19:51] <zleap> yeah
[20:00] <AuroraAvenue> so much for winter !
[20:11] <zleap> it is summer in the UK now
[20:12] <zmoylan-pi> i believe i did see a forecast today that mentioned snow...
[20:13] <zleap> they mentioned hail
[20:13] <zleap> but hail and thunderstorms are possible anyway
[20:13] <zmoylan-pi> and summer in uk i thought was june, july, august
[20:13] <zleap> we are on british summer time
[20:14] <zleap> gmt+1 i think
[20:14] <zleap> probaby still spring i kinda lost track
[20:14] <zleap> esp given the weather is weird
[20:28] <zleap> ok i will see if I can download 18.04 in the morning
[20:28] <zleap> chat later
[20:29] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[20:29] <AuroraAvenue> http://www.wttr.in/wales