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flocculant | bluesabre: did some 32 bit smoketests so we've at least got current reports against all mandatories - marked us ready | 05:12 |
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Volkodav | Hi! I've noticed xkb-plugin is a CPU hog. Eats up 35-40% of CPU. Should I file a bug? | 07:11 |
Unit193 | In which version? | 07:20 |
Volkodav | 19,04 | 07:22 |
Volkodav | 18,04* | 07:22 |
Volkodav | they advised talking to you guys in #ubuntu+1 | 07:22 |
Volkodav | never been like that - have been using xfce for 0ver 10 yers now | 07:23 |
Unit193 | Hmm, don't already see anything https://bugzilla.xfce.org/buglist.cgi?component=General&product=Xfce4-xkb-plugin&resolution=--- either. | 07:26 |
Volkodav | I didn't file it yet - should I? | 07:31 |
Unit193 | That is, I don't see it already filed by someone else. | 07:32 |
Unit193 | You indeed could, I'd try ruling out config first though. | 07:32 |
Volkodav | config is pretty straighforward in my case - Russian English with left Super as a switcher - that's all | 07:33 |
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bluesabre | thanks flocculant | 09:28 |
ochosi | hi everyone - i guess we aren't released yet..? :) | 15:13 |
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flocculant | ochosi: I'm assuminh not | 16:39 |
PaulW2U_ | flocculant: I think a respin is on the cards :( | 16:41 |
flocculant | PaulW2U_: well that's just dandy ... | 16:41 |
PaulW2U_ | Haven't got the energy for any more testing .... | 16:42 |
flocculant | PaulW2U_: I suspect I'll just smoketest | 16:44 |
flocculant | and I really didn't expect anyone to do more today - hence marking us ready at 6am ish | 16:44 |
flocculant | s/expect/need/want | 16:45 |
PaulW2U_ | I was surprised when I woke up to find all for Xubuntu was done | 16:45 |
flocculant | well - I know what the change to iso was - pretty much a caja lib and ubiquity - so did what hadn't been looked at then marked it | 16:46 |
flocculant | I obviously have been watching what's gone on for us on the tracker all week | 16:47 |
flocculant | Wimpress: you know why? rather than in the other channel - expect they're busy enough as it is ;) | 16:48 |
Wimpress | There was a regression in Ubiquity. | 16:48 |
* flocculant guesses ubiquity/wifi | 16:48 | |
flocculant | hah \o/ | 16:48 |
Wimpress | All flavours using dconf/gsettings were quite broken. | 16:48 |
flocculant | looked ok to me this morning *shrug* | 16:48 |
flocculant | oh right | 16:49 |
Wimpress | dconf/user was owned by root and that resulted in quite the fall out. | 16:49 |
flocculant | oh miy - nice | 16:49 |
Wimpress | I think Xubuntu and Lubuntu were not affected. | 16:49 |
Wimpress | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntukylin/+bug/1767067 | 16:49 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1767067 in Ubuntu Kylin "Booting to live session fails with: at-spi-bus-launcher: unable to create file '/run/user/999/dconf/user': Permission denied." [Undecided,Confirmed] | 16:49 |
flocculant | well I did half a doen runs this morning before marking us ready :D | 16:49 |
flocculant | oh - were they not all talking about that before the previous respin? pretty sure that was the why | 16:50 |
Wimpress | The a11y fixes were what trigger the issue, but it was an unexpected side affected. | 16:51 |
flocculant | right | 16:51 |
Wimpress | Appearently reading keys cause the schema to get created. | 16:51 |
Wimpress | And that ally fix did that in the root context. | 16:51 |
flocculant | I'll *have* to do a sanity check now - just in case the fix for 'others' breaks us :( | 16:51 |
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akxwi-dave | both of the iso's were fine for me this morning as well. | 18:03 |
flocculant | yea = shouldn't affect us | 18:05 |
akxwi-dave | fingers still crossed.. | 18:06 |
flocculant | :) | 18:10 |
akxwi-dave | well looks like we aren't getting a respin | 18:29 |
TDO|Aquina | where/how can you see that? | 18:30 |
flocculant | yea we are - it's rebuilding | 18:30 |
akxwi-dave | ahh not popped up on the list yet then.. | 18:30 |
flocculant | nope - it's rebuilding on tracker | 18:30 |
flocculant | mails don't go out till it's built | 18:31 |
akxwi-dave | 6:15 PM <queuebot> Builds: Ubuntu Base amd64 [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180426) | 18:31 |
akxwi-dave | 6:15 PM <queuebot> Builds: Ubuntu Base armhf [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180426) | 18:31 |
akxwi-dave | 6:15 PM <queuebot> Builds: Ubuntu Base ppc64el [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180426) | 18:31 |
akxwi-dave | 6:15 PM <queuebot> Builds: Ubuntu Base arm64 [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180426) | 18:31 |
akxwi-dave | 6:15 PM <queuebot> Builds: Ubuntu Base s390x [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180426) | 18:31 |
akxwi-dave | 6:15 PM <queuebot> Builds: Ubuntu Base i386 [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180426) | 18:31 |
akxwi-dave | 6:18 PM <queuebot> Builds: Kubuntu Desktop i386 [Bionic Final] has been marked as ready | 18:31 |
akxwi-dave | 6:18 PM <queuebot> Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Bionic Final] has been marked as ready | 18:31 |
akxwi-dave | 6:21 PM <queuebot> Builds: Kubuntu Desktop i386 [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180425.1) | 18:31 |
akxwi-dave | 6:21 PM <queuebot> Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180425.1) | 18:31 |
akxwi-dave | 6:22 PM <queuebot> Builds: Lubuntu Alternate i386 [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180426) | 18:31 |
akxwi-dave | 6:22 PM <queuebot> Builds: Lubuntu Alternate amd64 [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180426) | 18:31 |
akxwi-dave | kkk.. will be ready with machines for testing when ready.. | 18:31 |
flocculant | umm | 18:32 |
flocculant | ok ... | 18:32 |
flocculant | biab - eating | 18:32 |
amerigena | Trying to find a download link for an Xubuntu Core 16.04 ISO | 18:36 |
amerigena | Anyone know of one that's live? | 18:36 |
flocculant | smoke testing now | 19:06 |
akxwi-dave | getting slow download here.. 10 mins to go then testing | 19:06 |
flocculant | yea - was slow here - also need to test screen reader | 19:06 |
FurretUber | 10 minutes? 3 hours remaining here... | 19:07 |
flocculant | :) | 19:09 |
flocculant | bluesabre ochosi knome - seems that screen reader doesn't work for us | 19:09 |
flocculant | no idea if it ever did | 19:09 |
FurretUber | Ubuntu will be released and the download won't be finished yet | 19:09 |
flocculant | perhaps | 19:10 |
flocculant | re screenreader - or if it does, I've no idea how to trigger it for us | 19:13 |
TDO|Aquina | downloads in europe were a bit slower as well. an iso approx 45 minutes from different locations. | 19:14 |
flocculant | 64 bit done | 19:15 |
albinard | There was a Core ISO this morning - RC or Final? | 19:15 |
flocculant | albinard: that doesn't really work for Core - there might be an updated one - might not | 19:16 |
flocculant | it's not actually Official, it's more 'Official from us' | 19:16 |
albinard | Okay, thanks - I'll test it anyway and report | 19:17 |
Spass | I've tested newest (from minutes ago) amd64 in VirtualBox, other than incomplete translation during the install all seems fine, but I can't test it on my laptop atm, should I submit my test or it's not really needed at this point? | 19:17 |
flocculant | FurretUber akxwi-dave - and the reason for slow will likely be people grabbing an out of date iso - not knowing that it doesn't actually work properly for some flavours - and includes Ubuntu I think | 19:18 |
flocculant | Spass: report it - thanks | 19:18 |
flocculant | albinard: yup - thanks :) | 19:18 |
Spass | I'll skip translations issues for his one, will mark all ok, but I'll try to help fix those translations in 18.10 | 19:19 |
flocculant | right | 19:19 |
flocculant | all we need to do right now is make sure that the installer does that | 19:20 |
flocculant | 323 bit done | 19:24 |
flocculant | bit before it's time though :p | 19:24 |
akxwi-dave | lol | 19:28 |
Spass | (well... I still managed to crash Menu Libre easily :P I will help to investigate the issue later, it seems easy to reproduce) | 19:28 |
akxwi-dave | lol install to lappy with SSD has finished before install on vbox on desktop.. :-) | 19:29 |
flocculant | :) | 19:29 |
Spass | this screen shows Menu Libre crash and other issue - inconsistent panel icon size on bigger panel - https://i.imgur.com/rmPxBVi.jpg | 19:32 |
TDO|Aquina | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseAnnouncement | 19:36 |
TDO|Aquina | Is it released? | 19:36 |
TDO|Aquina | really? | 19:36 |
akxwi-dave | 123456789 | 19:37 |
akxwi-dave | lol helps of i click on VBox before trying to decrypt the drive | 19:37 |
akxwi-dave | milamber | 19:37 |
akxwi-dave | both 32 and 64 working ok on vbox and 64 tested on a thinkpad... | 19:40 |
albinard | Newest Xubuntu Core ISO has EFI form of vmlinuz | 19:41 |
albinard | No other info, since it won't boot on my BIOS machine | 19:42 |
flocculant | albinard: thanks for checking - I'm sure Unit193 will look :) | 19:43 |
amerigena | Is that Xubuntu Core ISO available for download? | 19:50 |
knome | flocculant, me neither; we definitely need an "a11y" cycle.. | 19:52 |
flocculant | knome: ack - perhaps we need to think about that soon ;) | 19:52 |
akxwi-dave | amerigena: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/384/builds/167441/testcases | 19:52 |
flocculant | doesn't have a download link there | 19:53 |
knome | flocculant, we needed to think about that soon for at least 6 years now... | 19:53 |
flocculant | knome: :) | 19:53 |
flocculant | sadly I've never thought about it | 19:53 |
knome | i've thought about it but i have no useful insight to the issues in hand | 19:53 |
knome | eg. i don't know if making x-y-z toolset work is actually useful | 19:54 |
knome | x-y-z being something i don't even know what it is yet... | 19:54 |
knome | for a practical example, i don't know how useful it would be if screen reading was working because other things might not | 19:54 |
knome | so it might be just as useless as it is now | 19:54 |
albinard | amerigena: link to ISO is https://unit193.net/xubuntu/core/pending/ | 19:57 |
amerigena | albinard : thank you! | 19:58 |
knome | flocculant, how close are we to the release? | 19:59 |
flocculant | flavours still testing | 19:59 |
flocculant | I've joined in there | 19:59 |
knome | right | 19:59 |
knome | i need to start writing the release announcement... | 20:00 |
flocculant | knome: you've certainly got time to whack together an announcement | 20:00 |
flocculant | ha ha ack :p | 20:00 |
knome | yeah, i wish i had "figured" this out earlier... | 20:00 |
knome | i'm really off the loop :( | 20:00 |
flocculant | I almost started - then realised respin | 20:00 |
akxwi-dave | right only install i havent checked is the auto resize.. | 20:01 |
flocculant | akxwi-dave: that's cool - we only needed to make sure we didn't blow up after they reverted smething | 20:02 |
akxwi-dave | true but at least i feel happier.. :-) | 20:02 |
flocculant | :) | 20:02 |
flocculant | well yea - so do I :) | 20:02 |
knome | flocculant, which issues would you mention in the announcement? | 20:10 |
flocculant | umm | 20:11 |
flocculant | uefi one - I think there's something on the main release note - checking | 20:12 |
knome | #1724482 ? | 20:12 |
knome | err | 20:12 |
knome | bug 1724482 | 20:12 |
ubottu | bug 1724482 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) ""Force UEFI installation" dialog has non-working Go Back/Continue buttons" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1724482 | 20:12 |
knome | this one? | 20:12 |
flocculant | yea - wasn't sure if there was another | 20:13 |
flocculant | the language one I'm not sure about | 20:13 |
flocculant | nvidia can be troublesome | 20:14 |
flocculant | other things are all a bit nitpicky | 20:14 |
knome | so to make sure we're talking about the same things: | 20:14 |
knome | language: bug 1706859 | 20:14 |
ubottu | bug 1706859 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Auto-selected keyboard layout no longer matches chosen region on "Where are you" page" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1706859 | 20:14 |
knome | nvidia: bug 1761593 | 20:14 |
ubottu | bug 1761593 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-340 (Ubuntu) "Uninstall left nouveau blacklisted" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1761593 | 20:14 |
flocculant | yea - but also I think there are some other nvidia problems | 20:15 |
knome | right... | 20:15 |
flocculant | I'd maybe make it a bit less specific | 20:15 |
knome | "there are issues with nvidia." ? | 20:15 |
flocculant | because ^^ bug # is a specific issue | 20:15 |
flocculant | yea | 20:15 |
flocculant | plus - check the main notes | 20:15 |
knome | yep | 20:16 |
flocculant | s/ubuntu notes that is | 20:16 |
knome | Unit193, around? | 20:16 |
knome | the ubuntu release notes do not exactly mention nvidia much | 20:19 |
knome | only this isue: | 20:20 |
knome | Systems may fail to boot when connected over DisplayPort to an external screen, on NVidia graphics hardware such as the GTX970 chipset. (1723619) | 20:20 |
knome | issue too | 20:20 |
flocculant | mmm | 20:20 |
flocculant | maybe - 'if you have newish nvidia card - check for bugs on launchpad' | 20:21 |
knome | lol | 20:21 |
knome | that's a bit vague | 20:22 |
knome | you could say that about anything | 20:22 |
flocculant | well yea - if I had a bunch of nvidia cards and machines for them I could be more specific | 20:22 |
knome | i didn't mean that ;) | 20:22 |
flocculant | as it is - I see lots of nvidia issues being bandied about | 20:22 |
knome | i meant you could say "check LP bugs if you have $manufacturer hardware" | 20:23 |
flocculant | I can't really be more specific than telling people to check the bug reports against their driver | 20:23 |
knome | yes, but same for non-nvidia too | 20:23 |
flocculant | I wish I could | 20:23 |
flocculant | well yea - we could 'Check launchpad for bugs' | 20:24 |
flocculant | but | 20:24 |
knome | what i'm saying is this isn't probably a case where we even need people to tell to use common sense | 20:24 |
flocculant | a bug in parole is unlikely to leave you without a desktop showing | 20:24 |
knome | yes | 20:24 |
knome | but are there many bugs that do that? | 20:24 |
flocculant | just write whatever you feel best | 20:24 |
flocculant | I mean the release note 'could' be 6 miles long :p | 20:25 |
knome | i think i'll make a generic note about making sure your hardware isn't said to blow up your head when booted | 20:25 |
flocculant | :) | 20:26 |
flocculant | I KNOW that addition drivers used to remove conf files - but doesn't now | 20:26 |
flocculant | for 1 card | 20:26 |
flocculant | it might do it for more - I don't know | 20:26 |
knome | yep | 20:27 |
flocculant | hence me at least listing the one I AM sure of | 20:27 |
flocculant | if nothing else - if I saw that I would at least check that it wasn't a similar issue | 20:27 |
* knome uploads "new" documentation | 20:29 | |
knome | ugh, if only there was a way to upload faster than this | 20:29 |
* flocculant is glad you're here - I couldn't remember how to set the torrents :D | 20:29 | |
knome | it's done ;) | 20:29 |
flocculant | :) | 20:30 |
flocculant | knome: you leaving 16.04.4 on the page still I hope? | 20:30 |
knome | on what page? | 20:30 |
flocculant | donwload | 20:30 |
knome | well, i don't know | 20:31 |
knome | i can | 20:31 |
* knome shrugs | 20:31 | |
flocculant | well | 20:31 |
flocculant | 18.04 is downloadable - but not upgradable automatically till 18.04.1 | 20:31 |
knome | i acknowledge | 20:31 |
flocculant | personally I would prefer we kept it till 18.04.1 is there | 20:32 |
knome | https://docs.xubuntu.org/1804/ | 20:32 |
knome | hey i didn't break everything! | 20:32 |
knome | (but the docs do say –2017) | 20:32 |
* flocculant thinks in addition to thinking about screen reader etc - we should think about how crud oem looks too :p | 20:34 | |
knome | yes, oem is another thing there has been discussions on but meh: | 20:34 |
knome | :) | 20:34 |
flocculant | yea hard one | 20:34 |
flocculant | would take pushing to make it worth effort I guess | 20:35 |
knome | yes | 20:35 |
knome | also who would be the target for a nice OEM? | 20:36 |
flocculant | yea | 20:36 |
knome | some of the orgs we cover in "xubuntu at.."? | 20:36 |
flocculant | maybe | 20:36 |
flocculant | might at least be worth an e-mail? | 20:36 |
flocculant | or do they read the blog? | 20:36 |
knome | no idea | 20:37 |
knome | i don't think the main release notes are very useful for us tbh | 20:37 |
flocculant | not so much this time | 20:37 |
knome | ok, so skipping linking to it then | 20:37 |
flocculant | generally they are - and they give more detail on kernel etc | 20:37 |
knome | preview: https://xubuntu.org/?p=4464&preview=true | 20:37 |
flocculant | knome: yea I link it in our release note | 20:38 |
flocculant | looking | 20:38 |
knome | i just saved a new draft, please refresh | 20:38 |
flocculant | in the first few days | 20:39 |
flocculant | for the first few | 20:39 |
knome | fixed | 20:39 |
knome | (that was copied from 17.10 announcement too...) | 20:39 |
flocculant | :D | 20:39 |
knome | hmm | 20:40 |
knome | refresh for fun | 20:40 |
flocculant | yep - that looks ok | 20:40 |
knome | and see the torrent dl links | 20:40 |
knome | should we do that? | 20:40 |
flocculant | I see no reason why not | 20:40 |
knome | i mean, bump that above the blah-de-blah and mention the direct downloads below that | 20:41 |
knome | this is one of the reasons i did this central handling of release/download links.. | 20:41 |
flocculant | yea move the torrent section above the direct download section | 20:41 |
knome | refresh | 20:42 |
knome | maybe change that <em> to a box | 20:43 |
knome | hmm, i can't | 20:43 |
knome | i mean automatically. | 20:43 |
flocculant | that looks ok | 20:43 |
knome | what about now? | 20:43 |
flocculant | that looks ok as well | 20:44 |
flocculant | :p | 20:44 |
knome | i think it's easier to read now | 20:44 |
knome | time to do something else for a while to get fresh eyes | 20:47 |
flocculant | yea - I'm just waiting for the dust to settle in -release then I need to sleep | 20:47 |
knome | ack | 20:47 |
knome | sleep tight if you head out before i'm back | 20:48 |
flocculant | yep - cya later if not tonight | 20:48 |
knome | yup | 20:48 |
knome | should be around tomorrow as well.. | 20:48 |
flocculant | I'll shortly be getting my head around the tester docs stuff soon as well | 20:48 |
knome | nice | 20:48 |
Unit193 | knome: Hi. | 20:55 |
knome | nvm now, i pushed the new docs already (: | 20:55 |
flocculant | knome: what's th real link to the announcement#? https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-18-04-release/ I assume | 21:04 |
albinard | Right now that's page not found for me | 21:06 |
flocculant | albinard: it will be - we've not published it yet :) | 21:06 |
knome | flocculant, yes | 21:06 |
flocculant | knome: ta | 21:06 |
albinard | Oops - jumped the gun - sorry! | 21:06 |
flocculant | heh - no worries :) | 21:07 |
TDO|Aquina | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/389/builds/171120/testcases/1301/results | 21:09 |
TDO|Aquina | haha 2 in progress | 21:09 |
TDO|Aquina | :) | 21:09 |
flocculant | :) | 21:11 |
flocculant | thanks those in channel who've tested - I'll call that a wrap | 21:12 |
flocculant | night all | 21:13 |
knome | nighty flocculant | 21:13 |
albinard | Thank you all for making computers easy for people like me! | 21:16 |
Unit193 | albinard: Also thanks, it's respinning now. :/ | 21:17 |
TDO|Aquina | nite | 21:28 |
TDO|Aquina | Has someone noticed http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/389/builds/171120/testcases/1301/results and http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/389/builds/171120/testcases/1300/results have basically the same text? | 21:28 |
TDO|Aquina | Mening "auto-resize" and "entire disk" has the same instructions. | 21:29 |
TDO|Aquina | I think the auto-resize test should include some step or description to pre- or post-check a resize is possible or commenced (successfully). I'd say that missing here. | 21:29 |
albinard | Unit193: I'll keep an eye out for it. | 21:31 |
Unit193 | albinard: I can ping you once I've testbooted it. | 21:31 |
albinard | Wow, thanks! | 21:33 |
Unit193 | It's the least I can do, with all the help you've been. i386 is looking fine, and64 still building. | 21:38 |
albinard | Well, Life just intervened - got to go for now, will check your site and test when the ne one appears. | 21:41 |
ali1234 | where are the "preferred applications" settings stored? | 21:51 |
ali1234 | also where is the thunar "open with" setting (per filetype) stored? | 21:52 |
knome | could that be ~/.config/mimeapps.list? | 21:55 |
knome | just a shot in the dark.. | 21:55 |
ali1234 | sounds likely | 21:55 |
ali1234 | xfce4-mime-settings also seems related | 21:55 |
ali1234 | so that's what thunar/exo-open/xdg-open all use, but not preferred applications | 22:04 |
ali1234 | okay. exo uses ~/.config/xfce4/helpers.rc, which references .desktop files n ~/.local/share/xfce4/helpers/ | 22:15 |
ali1234 | (or the default locations for .desktop files) | 22:16 |
knome | mmh | 22:16 |
Unit193 | I think it's mostly fine, unless we can get someone to boot the 64bit one on EFI hardware. | 22:28 |
knome | the comment was mostly against the "woohoo, i'm downloading it already[, go do the same/i'm better than you]" notion | 22:31 |
Unit193 | ...Sorry, I was on the last topic still. :3 | 22:32 |
knome | oh :P | 22:32 |
ali1234 | why do fonts render slightly bigger in 18.04? | 22:57 |
ali1234 | correction: some render slightly bigger, others render slightly smaller | 22:58 |
Unit193 | knome: Pokepoke, release? | 23:08 |
knome | yup | 23:09 |
knome | just a sec | 23:09 |
knome | Unit193, i should have pressed the buttons in the right order, but just for the sake of it, do you see something i've missed? | 23:13 |
knome | hmm wait | 23:13 |
knome | release announcement | 23:13 |
knome | aaand that's out too | 23:13 |
pleia2 | o/ | 23:14 |
knome | hullo pleia2 | 23:14 |
pleia2 | shall we social media the things? | 23:15 |
knome | next let's social mediaize it | 23:15 |
knome | yes | 23:15 |
knome | i can do twitter | 23:15 |
pleia2 | I'll get fb and g+ | 23:15 |
knome | i did a very boring update :P | 23:18 |
pleia2 | haha | 23:19 |
Unit193 | I did my site, topics, and nothing else. :P | 23:19 |
pleia2 | I wasn't incredibly exciting either, announce, LTS basics (3 yrs) and thanks to the community | 23:20 |
knome | topics is good work :P | 23:20 |
pleia2 | anyway, both done | 23:20 |
knome | well i didn't do the thanks...;) | 23:20 |
knome | maybe i should do another tweet | 23:20 |
pleia2 | haha, nice follow up ;) | 23:24 |
knome | ;) | 23:24 |
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