[00:08] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 18.04 - i386 - i386 built. [00:33] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 18.04 - amd64 - amd64 built. [05:12] bluesabre: did some 32 bit smoketests so we've at least got current reports against all mandatories - marked us ready [07:11] Hi! I've noticed xkb-plugin is a CPU hog. Eats up 35-40% of CPU. Should I file a bug? [07:20] In which version? [07:22] 19,04 [07:22] 18,04* [07:22] they advised talking to you guys in #ubuntu+1 [07:23] never been like that - have been using xfce for 0ver 10 yers now [07:26] Hmm, don't already see anything https://bugzilla.xfce.org/buglist.cgi?component=General&product=Xfce4-xkb-plugin&resolution=--- either. [07:31] I didn't file it yet - should I? [07:32] That is, I don't see it already filed by someone else. [07:32] You indeed could, I'd try ruling out config first though. [07:33] config is pretty straighforward in my case - Russian English with left Super as a switcher - that's all [08:00] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 18.04 - i386 - i386 built. [08:26] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 18.04 - amd64 - amd64 built. [09:28] thanks flocculant [15:13] hi everyone - i guess we aren't released yet..? :) === malysps is now known as Spass [16:39] ochosi: I'm assuminh not [16:41] flocculant: I think a respin is on the cards :( [16:41] PaulW2U_: well that's just dandy ... [16:42] Haven't got the energy for any more testing .... [16:44] PaulW2U_: I suspect I'll just smoketest [16:44] and I really didn't expect anyone to do more today - hence marking us ready at 6am ish [16:45] s/expect/need/want [16:45] I was surprised when I woke up to find all for Xubuntu was done [16:46] well - I know what the change to iso was - pretty much a caja lib and ubiquity - so did what hadn't been looked at then marked it [16:47] I obviously have been watching what's gone on for us on the tracker all week [16:48] Wimpress: you know why? rather than in the other channel - expect they're busy enough as it is ;) [16:48] There was a regression in Ubiquity. [16:48] * flocculant guesses ubiquity/wifi [16:48] hah \o/ [16:48] All flavours using dconf/gsettings were quite broken. [16:48] looked ok to me this morning *shrug* [16:49] oh right [16:49] dconf/user was owned by root and that resulted in quite the fall out. [16:49] oh miy - nice [16:49] I think Xubuntu and Lubuntu were not affected. [16:49] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntukylin/+bug/1767067 [16:49] Launchpad bug 1767067 in Ubuntu Kylin "Booting to live session fails with: at-spi-bus-launcher: unable to create file '/run/user/999/dconf/user': Permission denied." [Undecided,Confirmed] [16:49] well I did half a doen runs this morning before marking us ready :D [16:50] oh - were they not all talking about that before the previous respin? pretty sure that was the why [16:51] The a11y fixes were what trigger the issue, but it was an unexpected side affected. [16:51] right [16:51] Appearently reading keys cause the schema to get created. [16:51] And that ally fix did that in the root context. [16:51] I'll *have* to do a sanity check now - just in case the fix for 'others' breaks us :( === sorinello1 is now known as sorinello [18:03] both of the iso's were fine for me this morning as well. [18:05] yea = shouldn't affect us [18:06] fingers still crossed.. [18:10] :) [18:29] well looks like we aren't getting a respin [18:30] where/how can you see that? [18:30] yea we are - it's rebuilding [18:30] ahh not popped up on the list yet then.. [18:30] nope - it's rebuilding on tracker [18:31] mails don't go out till it's built [18:31] 6:15 PM Builds: Ubuntu Base amd64 [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180426) [18:31] 6:15 PM Builds: Ubuntu Base armhf [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180426) [18:31] 6:15 PM Builds: Ubuntu Base ppc64el [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180426) [18:31] 6:15 PM Builds: Ubuntu Base arm64 [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180426) [18:31] 6:15 PM Builds: Ubuntu Base s390x [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180426) [18:31] 6:15 PM Builds: Ubuntu Base i386 [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180426) [18:31] 6:18 PM Builds: Kubuntu Desktop i386 [Bionic Final] has been marked as ready [18:31] 6:18 PM Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Bionic Final] has been marked as ready [18:31] 6:21 PM Builds: Kubuntu Desktop i386 [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180425.1) [18:31] 6:21 PM Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180425.1) [18:31] 6:22 PM Builds: Lubuntu Alternate i386 [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180426) [18:31] 6:22 PM Builds: Lubuntu Alternate amd64 [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180426) [18:31] kkk.. will be ready with machines for testing when ready.. [18:32] umm [18:32] ok ... [18:32] biab - eating [18:36] Trying to find a download link for an Xubuntu Core 16.04 ISO [18:36] Anyone know of one that's live? [19:06] smoke testing now [19:06] getting slow download here.. 10 mins to go then testing [19:06] yea - was slow here - also need to test screen reader [19:07] 10 minutes? 3 hours remaining here... [19:09] :) [19:09] bluesabre ochosi knome - seems that screen reader doesn't work for us [19:09] no idea if it ever did [19:09] Ubuntu will be released and the download won't be finished yet [19:10] perhaps [19:13] re screenreader - or if it does, I've no idea how to trigger it for us [19:14] downloads in europe were a bit slower as well. an iso approx 45 minutes from different locations. [19:15] 64 bit done [19:15] There was a Core ISO this morning - RC or Final? [19:16] albinard: that doesn't really work for Core - there might be an updated one - might not [19:16] it's not actually Official, it's more 'Official from us' [19:17] Okay, thanks - I'll test it anyway and report [19:17] I've tested newest (from minutes ago) amd64 in VirtualBox, other than incomplete translation during the install all seems fine, but I can't test it on my laptop atm, should I submit my test or it's not really needed at this point? [19:18] FurretUber akxwi-dave - and the reason for slow will likely be people grabbing an out of date iso - not knowing that it doesn't actually work properly for some flavours - and includes Ubuntu I think [19:18] Spass: report it - thanks [19:18] albinard: yup - thanks :) [19:19] I'll skip translations issues for his one, will mark all ok, but I'll try to help fix those translations in 18.10 [19:19] right [19:20] all we need to do right now is make sure that the installer does that [19:24] 323 bit done [19:24] bit before it's time though :p [19:28] lol [19:28] (well... I still managed to crash Menu Libre easily :P I will help to investigate the issue later, it seems easy to reproduce) [19:29] lol install to lappy with SSD has finished before install on vbox on desktop.. :-) [19:29] :) [19:32] this screen shows Menu Libre crash and other issue - inconsistent panel icon size on bigger panel - https://i.imgur.com/rmPxBVi.jpg [19:36] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseAnnouncement [19:36] Is it released? [19:36] really? [19:37] 123456789 [19:37] lol helps of i click on VBox before trying to decrypt the drive [19:37] milamber [19:40] both 32 and 64 working ok on vbox and 64 tested on a thinkpad... [19:41] Newest Xubuntu Core ISO has EFI form of vmlinuz [19:42] No other info, since it won't boot on my BIOS machine [19:43] albinard: thanks for checking - I'm sure Unit193 will look :) [19:50] Is that Xubuntu Core ISO available for download? [19:52] flocculant, me neither; we definitely need an "a11y" cycle.. [19:52] knome: ack - perhaps we need to think about that soon ;) [19:52] amerigena: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/384/builds/167441/testcases [19:53] doesn't have a download link there [19:53] flocculant, we needed to think about that soon for at least 6 years now... [19:53] knome: :) [19:53] sadly I've never thought about it [19:53] i've thought about it but i have no useful insight to the issues in hand [19:54] eg. i don't know if making x-y-z toolset work is actually useful [19:54] x-y-z being something i don't even know what it is yet... [19:54] for a practical example, i don't know how useful it would be if screen reading was working because other things might not [19:54] so it might be just as useless as it is now [19:57] amerigena: link to ISO is https://unit193.net/xubuntu/core/pending/ [19:58] albinard : thank you! [19:59] flocculant, how close are we to the release? [19:59] flavours still testing [19:59] I've joined in there [19:59] right [20:00] i need to start writing the release announcement... [20:00] knome: you've certainly got time to whack together an announcement [20:00] ha ha ack :p [20:00] yeah, i wish i had "figured" this out earlier... [20:00] i'm really off the loop :( [20:00] I almost started - then realised respin [20:01] right only install i havent checked is the auto resize.. [20:02] akxwi-dave: that's cool - we only needed to make sure we didn't blow up after they reverted smething [20:02] true but at least i feel happier.. :-) [20:02] :) [20:02] well yea - so do I :) [20:10] flocculant, which issues would you mention in the announcement? [20:11] umm [20:12] uefi one - I think there's something on the main release note - checking [20:12] #1724482 ? [20:12] err [20:12] bug 1724482 [20:12] bug 1724482 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) ""Force UEFI installation" dialog has non-working Go Back/Continue buttons" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1724482 [20:12] this one? [20:13] yea - wasn't sure if there was another [20:13] the language one I'm not sure about [20:14] nvidia can be troublesome [20:14] other things are all a bit nitpicky [20:14] so to make sure we're talking about the same things: [20:14] language: bug 1706859 [20:14] bug 1706859 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Auto-selected keyboard layout no longer matches chosen region on "Where are you" page" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1706859 [20:14] nvidia: bug 1761593 [20:14] bug 1761593 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-340 (Ubuntu) "Uninstall left nouveau blacklisted" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1761593 [20:15] yea - but also I think there are some other nvidia problems [20:15] right... [20:15] I'd maybe make it a bit less specific [20:15] "there are issues with nvidia." ? [20:15] because ^^ bug # is a specific issue [20:15] yea [20:15] plus - check the main notes [20:16] yep [20:16] s/ubuntu notes that is [20:16] Unit193, around? [20:19] the ubuntu release notes do not exactly mention nvidia much [20:20] only this isue: [20:20] Systems may fail to boot when connected over DisplayPort to an external screen, on NVidia graphics hardware such as the GTX970 chipset. (1723619) [20:20] issue too [20:20] mmm [20:21] maybe - 'if you have newish nvidia card - check for bugs on launchpad' [20:21] lol [20:22] that's a bit vague [20:22] you could say that about anything [20:22] well yea - if I had a bunch of nvidia cards and machines for them I could be more specific [20:22] i didn't mean that ;) [20:22] as it is - I see lots of nvidia issues being bandied about [20:23] i meant you could say "check LP bugs if you have $manufacturer hardware" [20:23] I can't really be more specific than telling people to check the bug reports against their driver [20:23] yes, but same for non-nvidia too [20:23] I wish I could [20:24] well yea - we could 'Check launchpad for bugs' [20:24] but [20:24] what i'm saying is this isn't probably a case where we even need people to tell to use common sense [20:24] a bug in parole is unlikely to leave you without a desktop showing [20:24] yes [20:24] but are there many bugs that do that? [20:24] just write whatever you feel best [20:25] I mean the release note 'could' be 6 miles long :p [20:25] i think i'll make a generic note about making sure your hardware isn't said to blow up your head when booted [20:26] :) [20:26] I KNOW that addition drivers used to remove conf files - but doesn't now [20:26] for 1 card [20:26] it might do it for more - I don't know [20:27] yep [20:27] hence me at least listing the one I AM sure of [20:27] if nothing else - if I saw that I would at least check that it wasn't a similar issue [20:29] * knome uploads "new" documentation [20:29] ugh, if only there was a way to upload faster than this [20:29] * flocculant is glad you're here - I couldn't remember how to set the torrents :D [20:29] it's done ;) [20:30] :) [20:30] knome: you leaving 16.04.4 on the page still I hope? [20:30] on what page? [20:30] donwload [20:31] well, i don't know [20:31] i can [20:31] * knome shrugs [20:31] well [20:31] 18.04 is downloadable - but not upgradable automatically till 18.04.1 [20:31] i acknowledge [20:32] personally I would prefer we kept it till 18.04.1 is there [20:32] https://docs.xubuntu.org/1804/ [20:32] hey i didn't break everything! [20:32] (but the docs do say –2017) [20:34] * flocculant thinks in addition to thinking about screen reader etc - we should think about how crud oem looks too :p [20:34] yes, oem is another thing there has been discussions on but meh: [20:34] :) [20:34] yea hard one [20:35] would take pushing to make it worth effort I guess [20:35] yes [20:36] also who would be the target for a nice OEM? [20:36] yea [20:36] some of the orgs we cover in "xubuntu at.."? [20:36] maybe [20:36] might at least be worth an e-mail? [20:36] or do they read the blog? [20:37] no idea [20:37] i don't think the main release notes are very useful for us tbh [20:37] not so much this time [20:37] ok, so skipping linking to it then [20:37] generally they are - and they give more detail on kernel etc [20:37] preview: https://xubuntu.org/?p=4464&preview=true [20:38] knome: yea I link it in our release note [20:38] looking [20:38] i just saved a new draft, please refresh [20:39] in the first few days [20:39] for the first few [20:39] fixed [20:39] (that was copied from 17.10 announcement too...) [20:39] :D [20:40] hmm [20:40] refresh for fun [20:40] yep - that looks ok [20:40] and see the torrent dl links [20:40] should we do that? [20:40] I see no reason why not [20:41] i mean, bump that above the blah-de-blah and mention the direct downloads below that [20:41] this is one of the reasons i did this central handling of release/download links.. [20:41] yea move the torrent section above the direct download section [20:42] refresh [20:43] maybe change that to a box [20:43] hmm, i can't [20:43] i mean automatically. [20:43] that looks ok [20:43] what about now? [20:44] that looks ok as well [20:44] :p [20:44] i think it's easier to read now [20:47] time to do something else for a while to get fresh eyes [20:47] yea - I'm just waiting for the dust to settle in -release then I need to sleep [20:47] ack [20:48] sleep tight if you head out before i'm back [20:48] yep - cya later if not tonight [20:48] yup [20:48] should be around tomorrow as well.. [20:48] I'll shortly be getting my head around the tester docs stuff soon as well [20:48] nice [20:55] knome: Hi. [20:55] nvm now, i pushed the new docs already (: [21:04] knome: what's th real link to the announcement#? https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-18-04-release/ I assume [21:06] Right now that's page not found for me [21:06] albinard: it will be - we've not published it yet :) [21:06] flocculant, yes [21:06] knome: ta [21:06] Oops - jumped the gun - sorry! [21:07] heh - no worries :) [21:09] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/389/builds/171120/testcases/1301/results [21:09] haha 2 in progress [21:09] :) [21:11] :) [21:12] thanks those in channel who've tested - I'll call that a wrap [21:13] night all [21:13] nighty flocculant [21:16] Thank you all for making computers easy for people like me! [21:17] albinard: Also thanks, it's respinning now. :/ [21:28] nite [21:28] Has someone noticed http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/389/builds/171120/testcases/1301/results and http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/389/builds/171120/testcases/1300/results have basically the same text? [21:29] Mening "auto-resize" and "entire disk" has the same instructions. [21:29] I think the auto-resize test should include some step or description to pre- or post-check a resize is possible or commenced (successfully). I'd say that missing here. [21:31] Unit193: I'll keep an eye out for it. [21:31] albinard: I can ping you once I've testbooted it. [21:33] Wow, thanks! [21:38] It's the least I can do, with all the help you've been. i386 is looking fine, and64 still building. [21:41] Well, Life just intervened - got to go for now, will check your site and test when the ne one appears. [21:51] where are the "preferred applications" settings stored? [21:52] also where is the thunar "open with" setting (per filetype) stored? [21:55] could that be ~/.config/mimeapps.list? [21:55] just a shot in the dark.. [21:55] sounds likely [21:55] xfce4-mime-settings also seems related [22:04] so that's what thunar/exo-open/xdg-open all use, but not preferred applications [22:15] okay. exo uses ~/.config/xfce4/helpers.rc, which references .desktop files n ~/.local/share/xfce4/helpers/ [22:16] (or the default locations for .desktop files) [22:16] mmh [22:28] I think it's mostly fine, unless we can get someone to boot the 64bit one on EFI hardware. [22:31] the comment was mostly against the "woohoo, i'm downloading it already[, go do the same/i'm better than you]" notion [22:32] ...Sorry, I was on the last topic still. :3 [22:32] oh :P [22:57] why do fonts render slightly bigger in 18.04? [22:58] correction: some render slightly bigger, others render slightly smaller [23:08] knome: Pokepoke, release? [23:09] yup [23:09] just a sec [23:13] Unit193, i should have pressed the buttons in the right order, but just for the sake of it, do you see something i've missed? [23:13] hmm wait [23:13] release announcement [23:13] aaand that's out too [23:14] o/ [23:14] hullo pleia2 [23:15] shall we social media the things? [23:15] next let's social mediaize it [23:15] yes [23:15] i can do twitter [23:15] I'll get fb and g+ [23:18] i did a very boring update :P [23:19] haha [23:19] I did my site, topics, and nothing else. :P [23:20] I wasn't incredibly exciting either, announce, LTS basics (3 yrs) and thanks to the community [23:20] topics is good work :P [23:20] anyway, both done [23:20] well i didn't do the thanks...;) [23:20] maybe i should do another tweet [23:24] haha, nice follow up ;) [23:24] ;)