[00:08] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 18.04 - i386 - i386 built.
[00:33] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 18.04 - amd64 - amd64 built.
[05:12] <flocculant> bluesabre: did some 32 bit smoketests so we've at least got current reports against all mandatories - marked us ready
[07:11] <Volkodav> Hi! I've noticed xkb-plugin is a CPU hog. Eats up 35-40% of CPU. Should I file a bug?
[07:20] <Unit193> In which version?
[07:22] <Volkodav> 19,04
[07:22] <Volkodav> 18,04*
[07:22] <Volkodav> they advised talking to you guys in #ubuntu+1
[07:23] <Volkodav> never been like that - have been using xfce for 0ver 10 yers now
[07:26] <Unit193> Hmm, don't already see anything https://bugzilla.xfce.org/buglist.cgi?component=General&product=Xfce4-xkb-plugin&resolution=--- either.
[07:31] <Volkodav> I didn't file it yet - should I?
[07:32] <Unit193> That is, I don't see it already filed by someone else.
[07:32] <Unit193> You indeed could, I'd try ruling out config first though.
[07:33] <Volkodav> config is pretty straighforward in my case - Russian English with left Super as a switcher - that's all
[08:00] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 18.04 - i386 - i386 built.
[08:26] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 18.04 - amd64 - amd64 built.
[09:28] <bluesabre> thanks flocculant 
[15:13] <ochosi> hi everyone - i guess we aren't released yet..? :)
[16:39] <flocculant> ochosi: I'm assuminh not
[16:41] <PaulW2U_> flocculant: I think a respin is on the cards :(
[16:41] <flocculant> PaulW2U_: well that's just dandy ...
[16:42] <PaulW2U_> Haven't got the energy for any more testing ....
[16:44] <flocculant> PaulW2U_: I suspect I'll just smoketest
[16:44] <flocculant> and I really didn't expect anyone to do more today - hence marking us ready at 6am ish
[16:45] <flocculant> s/expect/need/want
[16:45] <PaulW2U_> I was surprised when I woke up to find all for Xubuntu was done
[16:46] <flocculant> well - I know what the change to iso was - pretty much a caja lib and ubiquity - so did what hadn't been looked at then marked it
[16:47] <flocculant> I obviously have been watching what's gone on for us on the tracker all week
[16:48] <flocculant> Wimpress: you know why? rather than in the other channel - expect they're busy enough as it is ;)
[16:48] <Wimpress> There was a regression in Ubiquity.
[16:48]  * flocculant guesses ubiquity/wifi
[16:48] <flocculant> hah \o/
[16:48] <Wimpress> All flavours using dconf/gsettings were quite broken.
[16:48] <flocculant> looked ok to me this morning *shrug*
[16:49] <flocculant> oh right 
[16:49] <Wimpress> dconf/user was owned by root and that resulted in quite the fall out.
[16:49] <flocculant> oh miy - nice
[16:49] <Wimpress> I think Xubuntu and Lubuntu were not affected.
[16:49] <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntukylin/+bug/1767067
[16:49] <flocculant> well I did half a doen runs this morning before marking us ready :D
[16:50] <flocculant> oh - were they not all talking about that before the previous respin? pretty sure that was the why 
[16:51] <Wimpress> The a11y fixes were what trigger the issue, but it was an unexpected side affected.
[16:51] <flocculant> right
[16:51] <Wimpress> Appearently reading keys cause the schema to get created.
[16:51] <Wimpress> And that ally fix did that in the root context.
[16:51] <flocculant> I'll *have* to do a sanity check now - just in case the fix for 'others' breaks us :(
[18:03] <akxwi-dave> both of the iso's were fine for me this morning as well.
[18:05] <flocculant> yea = shouldn't affect us
[18:06] <akxwi-dave> fingers still crossed..
[18:10] <flocculant> :)
[18:29] <akxwi-dave> well looks like we aren't getting a respin
[18:30] <TDO|Aquina> where/how can you see that? 
[18:30] <flocculant> yea we are - it's rebuilding
[18:30] <akxwi-dave> ahh not popped up on the list yet then..
[18:30] <flocculant> nope - it's rebuilding on tracker
[18:31] <flocculant> mails don't go out till it's built
[18:31] <akxwi-dave> 6:15 PM <queuebot> Builds: Ubuntu Base amd64 [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180426)
[18:31] <akxwi-dave> 6:15 PM <queuebot> Builds: Ubuntu Base armhf [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180426)
[18:31] <akxwi-dave> 6:15 PM <queuebot> Builds: Ubuntu Base ppc64el [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180426)
[18:31] <akxwi-dave> 6:15 PM <queuebot> Builds: Ubuntu Base arm64 [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180426)
[18:31] <akxwi-dave> 6:15 PM <queuebot> Builds: Ubuntu Base s390x [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180426)
[18:31] <akxwi-dave> 6:15 PM <queuebot> Builds: Ubuntu Base i386 [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180426)
[18:31] <akxwi-dave> 6:18 PM <queuebot> Builds: Kubuntu Desktop i386 [Bionic Final] has been marked as ready
[18:31] <akxwi-dave> 6:18 PM <queuebot> Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Bionic Final] has been marked as ready
[18:31] <akxwi-dave> 6:21 PM <queuebot> Builds: Kubuntu Desktop i386 [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180425.1)
[18:31] <akxwi-dave> 6:21 PM <queuebot> Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180425.1)
[18:31] <akxwi-dave> 6:22 PM <queuebot> Builds: Lubuntu Alternate i386 [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180426)
[18:31] <akxwi-dave> 6:22 PM <queuebot> Builds: Lubuntu Alternate amd64 [Bionic Final] has been updated (20180426)
[18:31] <akxwi-dave> kkk.. will be ready with machines for testing when ready..
[18:32] <flocculant> umm
[18:32] <flocculant> ok ...
[18:32] <flocculant> biab - eating
[18:36] <amerigena> Trying to find a download link for an Xubuntu Core 16.04 ISO
[18:36] <amerigena> Anyone know of one that's live?
[19:06] <flocculant> smoke testing now
[19:06] <akxwi-dave> getting slow download here.. 10 mins to go then testing
[19:06] <flocculant> yea - was slow here - also need to test screen reader
[19:07] <FurretUber> 10 minutes? 3 hours remaining here...
[19:09] <flocculant> :)
[19:09] <flocculant> bluesabre ochosi knome - seems that screen reader doesn't work for us
[19:09] <flocculant> no idea if it ever did
[19:09] <FurretUber> Ubuntu will be released and the download won't be finished yet
[19:10] <flocculant> perhaps
[19:13] <flocculant> re screenreader - or if it does, I've no idea how to trigger it for us
[19:14] <TDO|Aquina> downloads in europe were a bit slower as well. an iso approx 45 minutes from different locations.
[19:15] <flocculant> 64 bit done
[19:15] <albinard> There was a Core ISO this morning - RC or Final?
[19:16] <flocculant> albinard: that doesn't really work for Core - there might be an updated one - might not
[19:16] <flocculant> it's not actually Official, it's more 'Official from us'
[19:17] <albinard> Okay, thanks - I'll test it anyway and report
[19:17] <Spass> I've tested newest (from minutes ago) amd64 in VirtualBox, other than incomplete translation during the install all seems fine, but I can't test it on my laptop atm, should I submit my test or it's not really needed at this point?
[19:18] <flocculant> FurretUber akxwi-dave - and the reason for slow will likely be people grabbing an out of date iso - not knowing that it doesn't actually work properly for some flavours - and includes Ubuntu I think
[19:18] <flocculant> Spass: report it - thanks
[19:18] <flocculant> albinard: yup - thanks :)
[19:19] <Spass> I'll skip translations issues for his one, will mark all ok, but I'll try to help fix those translations in 18.10
[19:19] <flocculant> right
[19:20] <flocculant> all we need to do right now is make sure that the installer does that 
[19:24] <flocculant> 323 bit done
[19:24] <flocculant> bit before it's time though :p
[19:28] <akxwi-dave> lol
[19:28] <Spass> (well... I still managed to crash Menu Libre easily :P I will help to investigate the issue later, it seems easy to reproduce)
[19:29] <akxwi-dave>   lol install to lappy with SSD has finished before install on vbox on desktop.. :-)
[19:29] <flocculant> :)
[19:32] <Spass> this screen shows Menu Libre crash and other issue - inconsistent panel icon size on bigger panel - https://i.imgur.com/rmPxBVi.jpg
[19:36] <TDO|Aquina> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseAnnouncement
[19:36] <TDO|Aquina> Is it released?
[19:36] <TDO|Aquina> really?
[19:37] <akxwi-dave> 123456789
[19:37] <akxwi-dave> lol helps of i click on VBox before trying to decrypt the drive
[19:37] <akxwi-dave> milamber
[19:40] <akxwi-dave> both 32 and 64 working ok on vbox and 64 tested on a thinkpad...
[19:41] <albinard> Newest Xubuntu Core ISO has EFI form of vmlinuz
[19:42] <albinard> No other info, since it won't boot on my BIOS machine
[19:43] <flocculant> albinard: thanks for checking - I'm sure Unit193 will look :)
[19:50] <amerigena> Is that Xubuntu Core ISO available for download?
[19:52] <knome> flocculant, me neither; we definitely need an "a11y" cycle..
[19:52] <flocculant> knome: ack - perhaps we need to think about that soon ;)
[19:52] <akxwi-dave> amerigena: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/384/builds/167441/testcases
[19:53] <flocculant> doesn't have a download link there
[19:53] <knome> flocculant, we needed to think about that soon for at least 6 years now...
[19:53] <flocculant> knome: :)
[19:53] <flocculant> sadly I've never thought about it
[19:53] <knome> i've thought about it but i have no useful insight to the issues in hand
[19:54] <knome> eg. i don't know if making x-y-z toolset work is actually useful
[19:54] <knome> x-y-z being something i don't even know what it is yet...
[19:54] <knome> for a practical example, i don't know how useful it would be if screen reading was working because other things might not
[19:54] <knome> so it might be just as useless as it is now
[19:57] <albinard> amerigena: link to ISO is https://unit193.net/xubuntu/core/pending/
[19:58] <amerigena> albinard : thank you!
[19:59] <knome> flocculant, how close are we to the release?
[19:59] <flocculant> flavours still testing
[19:59] <flocculant> I've joined in there
[19:59] <knome> right
[20:00] <knome> i need to start writing the release announcement...
[20:00] <flocculant> knome: you've certainly got time to whack together an announcement
[20:00] <flocculant> ha ha ack :p
[20:00] <knome> yeah, i wish i had "figured" this out earlier...
[20:00] <knome> i'm really off the loop :(
[20:00] <flocculant> I almost started - then realised respin
[20:01] <akxwi-dave> right only install i havent checked is the auto resize..
[20:02] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: that's cool - we only needed to make sure we didn't blow up after they reverted smething
[20:02] <akxwi-dave> true  but at least i feel happier.. :-)
[20:02] <flocculant> :)
[20:02] <flocculant> well yea - so do I :)
[20:10] <knome> flocculant, which issues would you mention in the announcement?
[20:11] <flocculant> umm
[20:12] <flocculant> uefi one - I think there's something on the main release note - checking
[20:12] <knome> #1724482 ?
[20:12] <knome> err
[20:12] <knome> bug 1724482
[20:12] <knome> this one?
[20:13] <flocculant> yea - wasn't sure if there was another 
[20:13] <flocculant> the language one I'm not sure about
[20:14] <flocculant> nvidia can be troublesome
[20:14] <flocculant> other things are all a bit nitpicky
[20:14] <knome> so to make sure we're talking about the same things:
[20:14] <knome> language: bug 1706859
[20:14] <knome> nvidia: bug 1761593
[20:15] <flocculant> yea - but also I think there are some other nvidia problems
[20:15] <knome> right...
[20:15] <flocculant> I'd maybe make it a bit less specific
[20:15] <knome> "there are issues with nvidia." ?
[20:15] <flocculant> because ^^ bug # is a specific issue 
[20:15] <flocculant> yea
[20:15] <flocculant> plus - check the main notes
[20:16] <knome> yep
[20:16] <flocculant> s/ubuntu notes that is
[20:16] <knome> Unit193, around?
[20:19] <knome> the ubuntu release notes do not exactly mention nvidia much
[20:20] <knome> only this isue:
[20:20] <knome> Systems may fail to boot when connected over DisplayPort to an external screen, on NVidia graphics hardware such as the GTX970 chipset. (1723619) 
[20:20] <knome> issue too
[20:20] <flocculant> mmm
[20:21] <flocculant> maybe - 'if you have newish nvidia card - check for bugs on launchpad'
[20:21] <knome> lol
[20:22] <knome> that's a bit vague
[20:22] <knome> you could say that about anything
[20:22] <flocculant> well yea - if I had a bunch of nvidia cards and machines for them I could be more specific
[20:22] <knome> i didn't mean that ;)
[20:22] <flocculant> as it is - I see lots of nvidia issues being bandied about
[20:23] <knome> i meant you could say "check LP bugs if you have $manufacturer hardware"
[20:23] <flocculant> I can't really be more specific than telling people to check the bug reports against their driver
[20:23] <knome> yes, but same for non-nvidia too
[20:23] <flocculant> I wish I could
[20:24] <flocculant> well yea - we could 'Check launchpad for bugs'
[20:24] <flocculant> but
[20:24] <knome> what i'm saying is this isn't probably a case where we even need people to tell to use common sense
[20:24] <flocculant> a bug in parole is unlikely to leave you without a desktop showing
[20:24] <knome> yes
[20:24] <knome> but are there many bugs that do that?
[20:24] <flocculant> just write whatever you feel best
[20:25] <flocculant> I mean the release note 'could' be 6 miles long :p
[20:25] <knome> i think i'll make a generic note about making sure your hardware isn't said to blow up your head when booted
[20:26] <flocculant> :)
[20:26] <flocculant> I KNOW that addition drivers used to remove conf files - but doesn't now
[20:26] <flocculant> for 1 card
[20:26] <flocculant> it might do it for more - I don't know 
[20:27] <knome> yep
[20:27] <flocculant> hence me at least listing the one I AM sure of
[20:27] <flocculant> if nothing else - if I saw that I would at least check that it wasn't a similar issue
[20:29]  * knome uploads "new" documentation
[20:29] <knome> ugh, if only there was a way to upload faster than this
[20:29]  * flocculant is glad you're here - I couldn't remember how to set the torrents :D
[20:29] <knome> it's done ;)
[20:30] <flocculant> :)
[20:30] <flocculant> knome: you leaving 16.04.4 on the page still I hope?
[20:30] <knome> on what page?
[20:30] <flocculant> donwload
[20:31] <knome> well, i don't know
[20:31] <knome> i can
[20:31]  * knome shrugs
[20:31] <flocculant> well
[20:31] <flocculant> 18.04 is downloadable - but not upgradable automatically till 18.04.1
[20:31] <knome> i acknowledge
[20:32] <flocculant> personally I would prefer we kept it till 18.04.1 is there
[20:32] <knome> https://docs.xubuntu.org/1804/
[20:32] <knome> hey i didn't break everything!
[20:32] <knome> (but the docs do say –2017)
[20:34]  * flocculant thinks in addition to thinking about screen reader etc - we should think about how crud oem looks too :p
[20:34] <knome> yes, oem is another thing there has been discussions on but meh:
[20:34] <knome> :)
[20:34] <flocculant> yea hard one
[20:35] <flocculant> would take pushing to make it worth effort I guess
[20:35] <knome> yes
[20:36] <knome> also who would be the target for a nice OEM?
[20:36] <flocculant> yea
[20:36] <knome> some of the orgs we cover in "xubuntu at.."?
[20:36] <flocculant> maybe
[20:36] <flocculant> might at least be worth an e-mail?
[20:36] <flocculant> or do they read the blog?
[20:37] <knome> no idea
[20:37] <knome> i don't think the main release notes are very useful for us tbh
[20:37] <flocculant> not so much this time
[20:37] <knome> ok, so skipping linking to it then
[20:37] <flocculant> generally they are - and they give more detail on kernel etc
[20:37] <knome> preview: https://xubuntu.org/?p=4464&preview=true
[20:38] <flocculant> knome: yea I link it in our release note
[20:38] <flocculant> looking
[20:38] <knome> i just saved a new draft, please refresh
[20:39] <flocculant> in the first few days 
[20:39] <flocculant> for the first few 
[20:39] <knome> fixed
[20:39] <knome> (that was copied from 17.10 announcement too...)
[20:39] <flocculant> :D
[20:40] <knome> hmm
[20:40] <knome> refresh for fun
[20:40] <flocculant> yep - that looks ok
[20:40] <knome> and see the torrent dl links
[20:40] <knome> should we do that?
[20:40] <flocculant> I see no reason why not
[20:41] <knome> i mean, bump that above the blah-de-blah and mention the direct downloads below that
[20:41] <knome> this is one of the reasons i did this central handling of release/download links..
[20:41] <flocculant> yea move the torrent section above the direct download section
[20:42] <knome> refresh
[20:43] <knome> maybe change that <em> to a box
[20:43] <knome> hmm, i can't
[20:43] <knome> i mean automatically.
[20:43] <flocculant> that looks ok 
[20:43] <knome> what about now?
[20:44] <flocculant> that looks ok as well 
[20:44] <flocculant> :p
[20:44] <knome> i think it's easier to read now
[20:47] <knome> time to do something else for a while to get fresh eyes
[20:47] <flocculant> yea - I'm just waiting for the dust to settle in -release then I need to sleep
[20:47] <knome> ack
[20:48] <knome> sleep tight if you head out before i'm back
[20:48] <flocculant> yep - cya later if not tonight
[20:48] <knome> yup
[20:48] <knome> should be around tomorrow as well..
[20:48] <flocculant> I'll shortly be getting my head around the tester docs stuff soon as well
[20:48] <knome> nice
[20:55] <Unit193> knome: Hi.
[20:55] <knome> nvm now, i pushed the new docs already (:
[21:04] <flocculant> knome: what's th real link to the announcement#?  https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-18-04-release/ I assume
[21:06] <albinard> Right now that's page not found for me
[21:06] <flocculant> albinard: it will be - we've not published it yet :)
[21:06] <knome> flocculant, yes
[21:06] <flocculant> knome: ta
[21:06] <albinard> Oops - jumped the gun - sorry!
[21:07] <flocculant> heh - no worries :)
[21:09] <TDO|Aquina> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/389/builds/171120/testcases/1301/results
[21:09] <TDO|Aquina> haha 2 in progress
[21:09] <TDO|Aquina> :)
[21:11] <flocculant> :)
[21:12] <flocculant> thanks those in channel who've tested  - I'll call that a wrap 
[21:13] <flocculant> night all
[21:13] <knome> nighty flocculant 
[21:16] <albinard> Thank you all for making computers easy for people like me!
[21:17] <Unit193> albinard: Also thanks, it's respinning now. :/
[21:28] <TDO|Aquina> nite
[21:28] <TDO|Aquina> Has someone noticed http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/389/builds/171120/testcases/1301/results and http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/389/builds/171120/testcases/1300/results have basically the same text?
[21:29] <TDO|Aquina> Mening "auto-resize" and "entire disk" has the same instructions.
[21:29] <TDO|Aquina> I think the auto-resize test should include some step or description to pre- or post-check a resize is possible or commenced (successfully). I'd say that missing here.
[21:31] <albinard> Unit193: I'll keep an eye out for it.
[21:31] <Unit193> albinard: I can ping you once I've testbooted it.
[21:33] <albinard> Wow, thanks!
[21:38] <Unit193> It's the least I can do, with all the help you've been.  i386 is looking fine, and64 still building.
[21:41] <albinard> Well, Life just intervened - got to go for now, will check your site and test when the ne one appears.
[21:51] <ali1234> where are the "preferred applications" settings stored?
[21:52] <ali1234> also where is the thunar "open with" setting (per filetype) stored?
[21:55] <knome> could that be ~/.config/mimeapps.list?
[21:55] <knome> just a shot in the dark..
[21:55] <ali1234> sounds likely
[21:55] <ali1234> xfce4-mime-settings also seems related
[22:04] <ali1234> so that's what thunar/exo-open/xdg-open all use, but not preferred applications
[22:15] <ali1234> okay. exo uses ~/.config/xfce4/helpers.rc, which references .desktop files n ~/.local/share/xfce4/helpers/
[22:16] <ali1234> (or the default locations for .desktop files)
[22:16] <knome> mmh
[22:28] <Unit193> I think it's mostly fine, unless we can get someone to boot the 64bit one on EFI hardware.
[22:31] <knome> the comment was mostly against the "woohoo, i'm downloading it already[, go do the same/i'm better than you]" notion
[22:32] <Unit193> ...Sorry, I was on the last topic still. :3
[22:32] <knome> oh :P
[22:57] <ali1234> why do fonts render slightly bigger in 18.04?
[22:58] <ali1234> correction: some render slightly bigger, others render slightly smaller
[23:08] <Unit193> knome: Pokepoke, release?
[23:09] <knome> yup
[23:09] <knome> just a sec
[23:13] <knome> Unit193, i should have pressed the buttons in the right order, but just for the sake of it, do you see something i've missed?
[23:13] <knome> hmm wait
[23:13] <knome> release announcement
[23:13] <knome> aaand that's out too
[23:14] <pleia2> o/
[23:14] <knome> hullo pleia2 
[23:15] <pleia2> shall we social media the things?
[23:15] <knome> next let's social mediaize it
[23:15] <knome> yes
[23:15] <knome> i can do twitter
[23:15] <pleia2> I'll get fb and g+
[23:18] <knome> i did a very boring update :P
[23:19] <pleia2> haha
[23:19] <Unit193> I did my site, topics, and nothing else. :P
[23:20] <pleia2> I wasn't incredibly exciting either, announce, LTS basics (3 yrs) and thanks to the community
[23:20] <knome> topics is good work :P
[23:20] <pleia2> anyway, both done
[23:20] <knome> well i didn't do the thanks...;)
[23:20] <knome> maybe i should do another tweet
[23:24] <pleia2> haha, nice follow up ;)
[23:24] <knome> ;)