[00:10] <oerheks> ratio 0,3 already
[00:12] <daftykins> 2.6 on desktop and 0.36 on server
[00:13] <oerheks> 10 iso's, so average it is 0,3 iso
[00:13] <oerheks> = 3 iso's \0/
[01:43] <Pharaoh> Hi All! I am unable to upgrade to 18.04 from 17.10. Is it available now?
[01:46] <daftykins> please see the topic, this isn't a support channel - try #ubuntu
[01:51] <oerheks> upgrading will be possible in a few days ..
[01:55] <SlidingHorn> Between Bionic's desktop & studio releases, I've seeded over 12 GB so far :P
[01:55] <SlidingHorn> 13*
[01:57] <oerheks> https://imgur.com/a/4IpMDPd
[01:57] <oerheks> 0,5 not sure how many gb that is
[01:57] <SlidingHorn> wow, nice...
[01:58] <oerheks> oh, found it, that grey ball right down the windows.. 9.34 gb now
[02:03] <daftykins> :>
[02:04] <pragmaticenigma> oerheks, the ratio indicated how much was downloaded to uploaded. 0,5 means you have seeded back half of what you downloaded
[02:04] <bugzie> Huh
[02:08] <daftykins> he meant he was looking for the stats on total traffic :>
[02:09] <oerheks> half .. right https://imgur.com/a/VHeHvzM
[02:13] <pragmaticenigma> oerheks, oh... sorry didn't get that far down the screenshot
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:56] <SlidingHorn> mornin lotuspsychje
[04:56] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: WB :) .. Settling down now .. front ends running at capacity however .
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> hey SlidingHorn
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om
[06:01] <EriC^^> morning all
[06:02] <Bashing-om> Hey EriC^^ :D
[06:06] <ducasse> good morning!
[06:09] <Bashing-om> ducasse: WB :) .. settling out .
[06:10] <ducasse> Bashing-om: getting ready to call it a night?
[06:10] <NoCode> congrats!
[06:31] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Will not be long till EOD .
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> morning ducasse EriC^^
[06:34] <ducasse> Bashing-om: i'll be doing the last bionic upgrade here today - the final holdout. have a good night!
[06:34] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> no updates here
[06:37] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Awaiting all the hub bub to subside before completing updates here .
[06:37] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: grabbing the new images here
[06:38] <Bashing-om> earlier: " Reading state information... Done
[06:38] <Bashing-om> All packages are up to date."
[06:38] <ducasse> Bashing-om: i'm not sure my mirror has updated yet
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> https://imgur.com/a/jtA8gmF
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> think im gonna test minimal on few testmachines here
[06:45] <ducasse> nice screenshot, lotus. that's gnome, i expect?
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> yeah ducasse
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> and tnx
[07:09] <Bashing-om> Sad to leave good company, but I must \o
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> sleep tight Bashing-om
[07:31] <LtWorf> hello
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: gogeta is know for spreading fud
[07:44] <ducasse> typical troll, imo
[07:45] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: thanks. i'm trying to stop that from happening now. ;), ;
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> we will nail him on mistaked no sweat :p
[07:49] <tomreyn> :) thanks
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> ttyl guys
[10:40] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:36] <JimBuntu> hiya BluesKaj, warm there? Enjoying your new net connection still?
[11:39] <BluesKaj> 'Morning JimBuntu, cooling off today to 8C/47F and forecasting rain. yes my new internet connection is great, altho i do detect some throttling going on during peak hrs
[11:40] <JimBuntu> throttling is lame. 8C isn't bad though... it's 4C here right now
[11:42] <BluesKaj> yeah 8C is the forecast high
[11:42] <JimBuntu> The weather dummy says it might peak at around 16C, which would be awesome! I'm thinking it's the right day for another bon fire,,, might even take the telescope outside if I have batteries for the remote
[11:44] <BluesKaj> gawd I sure have a lot to do around this house ...it's suddenly overwhelming me today
[11:44] <JimBuntu> I am happy the release finally dropped, even if I had given up for the day by the rime it happened.
[11:46] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, unless you have visitors coming today/tomorrow... I would take a deep breath and limit how much cleaning I did to what I found to be entertaining. While I do like the look/feel of a freshly cleaned house... I also like to do other things ;-)
[11:48] <BluesKaj> but I am making some progress, so I'll carry on ...kids are coming to help in a few weeks .. lot of the "stuff" is theirs, and they can decide what to do with it ,as long as it doesn't stay here :-0
[11:50] <BluesKaj> the releaes was anticlimactic as usual , since I upgraded 3 machines yesterday with the -d option before I went out
[11:53] <JimBuntu> I'm not upgrading until the point release expected in July, lol, I was only around to enjoy the party.
[11:57] <BluesKaj> all 3 machines are fine, but I'm a home user and using my wife's old HP as a backup pc just in case
[11:58] <BluesKaj> but I do understand the logic of waiting for the point release
[11:59] <BluesKaj> it's a wise decision for "production" machines that need absolute reliability
[12:00] <JimBuntu> I only have 1 machine that I don't use for work... to some degree... and that's a recent event, before that it was my primary travel computer for work.
[12:01] <JimBuntu> 18.04 sounds stable enough, from all that I have read, so long as they have that memory leak worked out... otherwise, I would simply have to not use gnome I guess.
[12:02] <JimBuntu> I would likely have to build a number of things from source as well, not really a big deal either
[12:03] <BluesKaj> i haven't heard anything about a memory leak
[12:04] <JimBuntu> The Gnome DE has a long standing memory leak... simply ALT+TAB'ing to other programs can exploit it.
[12:05] <JimBuntu> If you didn't run into any issue in the months you have been running it. then it may require special circumstances. Do you power-off on a regular basis? I generally only reboot/power-off once a quarter or as kernel updates require
[12:11] <BluesKaj> JimBuntu, ok I'm a kde/plasma guy so not affected i guess
[12:12] <JimBuntu> That's right, plasma would explain away why you didn't run into it, I forgot about that
[12:12] <BluesKaj> i have been since 2005 iirc
[12:14] <JimBuntu> I'll have to look into plasma and if it plays nice with nvidia
[12:15] <BluesKaj> no nvidia gpu driver problems here, unless you run real hi-end gpus then there are some updates that need work
[12:16] <BluesKaj> or work-arounds
[12:17] <BluesKaj> using a gt520 here with the 390 driver and all is fine
[12:17] <JimBuntu> nothing high-end (in modern terms) in that spare laptop. My only concern is that it has a mobile GPU that I would want to be able to use. So be it... time to check out plasma :-D
[12:17] <BluesKaj> mobile gpu? usb?
[12:18] <JimBuntu> It's built in. One of the mobile-series graphics cards from NVidia
[12:18] <BluesKaj> ok
[12:19] <BluesKaj> just a name ..hate that excessive use of "mobile"
[12:19] <JimBuntu> It was high end, maybe 4-5 years ago, so I'll see if it is a problem today. It works great with the Ubuntu NVidia drivers with Unity/etc
[12:20] <BluesKaj> then it should work fine with plasma
[12:26] <BluesKaj> JimBuntu, this is a good overview of kde/plasma and what you can expect,   https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.12.0.php
[12:29] <JimBuntu> thanks! I'll check that out BluesKaj
[12:30] <BluesKaj> cool
[14:40] <TJ-> Annoying touch-pad issue. Response is eratic when hard work has roughened my finger pads, and dropping back to keyboard control in many applications/dialogs is not consistent and the input focus is often all but invisible, or doesn't use the tab/Ctrl+tab convention, grrr!
[15:34] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: recommend finding a good hand lotion to help ya out
[15:34] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: Yeah, I think that's part of the issue, the lotion is masking the moisture so the capacitance detection is iffy!
[15:36] <pragmaticenigma> one of many reasons I dislike touch sensitive input
[15:37] <nicomachus> I just don't like touchpads. period.
[15:38] <TJ-> Seems like now my fingers have got a little sweaty it's fine.
[15:39] <nicomachus> sweat usually kills it for me.
[15:42] <pragmaticenigma> I just don't like how huge the trackpads are on laptops... makes it hard to type when my palms trigger it and start interpreting clicks
[15:43] <TJ-> Not dripping, just actually got some regular moisture. I've spent the last week handling concrete/cement/sand all day
[15:48] <nicomachus> pragmaticenigma: that's why I disable mine unless I'm actually using it. luckily my laptop has a FN+F3 to enable/disable it
[15:49] <TJ-> I don't have a problem with palm detection, but then again I keep my palms on the rests either side rather than in the center
[15:51] <pragmaticenigma> I'm always affraid that I won't be able to turn it back on
[15:51] <TJ-> On this Asus transformer the touchpad is wider (for a 12" screen) then that on the Dell XPS 15", but it gives much finer control
[15:52] <nicomachus> I try to keep them to the side too but my thumb knuckle can hit it when I go for the spacebar.
[15:53] <TJ-> I find if my index fingers are on F and J respectively (usually those keys have bumps on them to aid location) they are pointing at about 45 degrees so my thumbs stay clear/above the pad
[15:57] <nicomachus> https://i.imgur.com/KaVfBP4.jpg
[16:40] <ducasse> afternoon, people
[16:42] <JimBuntu> howdy
[16:46] <ducasse> hi JimBuntu - how are you doing? gone bionic yet? :)
[16:47] <JimBuntu> I have not gone bionic yet. I'll wait until July
[16:48] <TJ-> My father has gone for a bionic knee this week!
[16:51] <ducasse> "we can rebuild him!"
[16:51] <BluesKaj> Hey ducasse, TJ-
[16:51] <ducasse> :)
[16:52] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj - how's it going?
[16:52] <BluesKaj> god thanks ducasse, and you?
[16:52] <BluesKaj> good rather
[16:52] <TJ-> LoL yeah, that has been said. "We can Rebuild Him, we have the technology" ... Lee Majors come back all is forgiven!
[16:53] <ducasse> BluesKaj: all good here, about to make dinner
[16:53] <oerheks> ratio 2,2
[16:54] <ducasse> hiya oerheks, how's life in .nl?
[16:54] <oerheks> hello guys, i am back from the fleemarket, sold my stuff and loaded with money :-D
[16:54] <TJ-> you sell fleas?
[16:54] <BluesKaj> maybe he sold his dog :-)
[16:55] <BluesKaj> hey oerheks
[16:55] <oerheks> yes, home-grown
[16:55] <oerheks> heh, i could sell Drabber several times :-D
[16:56] <ducasse> poor drabber, reduced to farming for fleas
[16:59] <oerheks> Yes, call the DLF and report him .. Drabber Liberation Front
[17:02] <ducasse> have you seen much activity on seeding the server images, oerheks? almost none here...
[17:03] <oerheks> uploaded 400/738 mb
[17:04] <oerheks> not that much server users indeed..
[17:08] <ducasse> is the plain ubuntu desktop image the one that gets the most activity?
[17:10] <kostkon> usually
[17:15] <kostkon> so many desperate people asking for help today. it's.... heartbreaking..
[17:19] <BluesKaj> lots of networking problems
[17:20] <BluesKaj> and grub
[17:20] <kostkon> and lots of teething problems due to 18.04
[17:20] <kostkon> in general
[17:20] <ducasse> noticed a few graphics issues
[17:22] <oerheks> Yes, huge number of known issues now..
[17:24] <ducasse> i bet it's all the same people who were going "is it out yet?" every five minutes yesterday :)
[17:25] <oerheks> the upgrade path is still blocked
[17:26] <kostkon> but wanted to upgrade right now anyway even though it's not advisable at all
[17:29] <BluesKaj> ugrades here resulted in no problems at all on 3 machines
[17:32] <tomreyn> have some of you tested upgrading 17.10 -> 18.04 using "update-manager -d" (as opposed to do.release-upgrade -d), yet? i'm stuck on the release notes screen after hitting the "upgrade" button.
[17:33] <tomreyn> the 17.10 was a very standard installation, fully patched.
[17:34] <tomreyn> (and hardly ever used, it's a VM)
[17:35] <tomreyn> oh, it actually wasnt stuck, just took forever to switch to the next screen. not a good UX.
[18:02] <tomreyn> duplicity is one of the packages "no longer needed", does the desktop no longe roffer to do backups with duply / duplicity then?
[18:15] <tomreyn> build-essential was also removed during upgrade, thus make, and thus the virtualbox video module wouldnt build
[18:34] <nacc> if folks do ask about d-r-u in #ubuntu, it's  not yet available for eitehr 17.10 or 16.04
[18:35] <nacc> there is at least one critical bug they are waiting to fix before it's available
[18:35] <nacc> well and 16.04 i guess would wait until 18.04.1 anyways, so that only applies to 17.10
[18:35] <Bashing-om> nacc: Thanks ,,, ^^ that is good to be aware of ! No will do that then :)
[18:36] <nacc> Bashing-om: np
[18:37] <Bashing-om> nacc: Otherwsue .. it hasd been a smooth transition ?
[18:37] <nacc> Bashing-om: afaik, yes
[18:38] <leftyfb> nacc: d-r-u?
[18:38] <kostkon> do-release-upgrade
[18:38] <leftyfb> oh
[18:39] <nacc> https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/8fcwea/well_that_is_just_cruel/
[18:39] <nacc> :)
[18:41] <nacc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_16.04_LTS_or_17.10 for more official
[18:41] <kostkon> it's not actually cruel but i guess clickbaiting is a sign of the times
[22:03] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[22:07] <nacc> kostkon: yeh