| waltman | yay! | 00:18 |
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| swift110 | hey all | 00:43 |
| waltman | I'm thinking I might wait a few days before I upgrade. | 00:46 |
| teddy-dbear | Morning peoples, critters and everything else | 09:50 |
| Pennth | One of these rounds I'll remember that you need the -d flag to do-release-upgrade even if going from semiannual to LTS | 15:14 |
| waltman | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_16.04_LTS_or_17.10 # OK, guess I'm waiting a bit. | 15:23 |
| waltman | I thought for prior releases it prompted me when the new release was available. | 15:23 |
| waltman | So as that page says, they're waiting a few days before they open up 17.10 to 18.04. I guess I can wait. | 15:33 |
| waltman | Let the early adopters find the bugs! | 15:33 |
| waltman | I already went through the switch back to gnome for 17.10, so hopefully that's the biggest change. | 15:34 |
| pleia2 | yeah, they do try to land the big changes in the release before the LTS to work out the biggest bugs on the smaller community of people who use the 6 month releases | 15:38 |
| waltman | Nod. But I think I can wait a few more days for the bugs to get worked out. | 15:40 |
| waltman | Have you updated yet? | 15:40 |
| pleia2 | no, I'm flying to Copenhagen tomorrow for a conference, history shows it's best not to upgrade 2 days before big int'l trip ;) | 15:45 |
| waltman | Q: When are you *not* 2 days befor a big int'l trip? :) | 15:46 |
| pleia2 | it is a problem | 15:46 |
| Pennth | holy wtf? I'm already in the middle of an update! | 16:13 |
| Pennth | (from 17.10) | 16:14 |
| Pennth | Also, if you lock your GUI during the upgrade you may not be able to get back in, but you can still get into a plain shell and 'tail -f /var/log/dpkg.log' to monitor progress | 16:14 |
| Pennth | Think I'll switch the little stream to a fresh install of https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/ubuntu-mate-bionic-final-release/ minimal because it really doesn't have space for an upgrade | 16:18 |
| waltman | Pennth: I think the issue is mainly in prompting you to do the upgrade | 17:20 |
| waltman | what's the "little stream"? | 17:21 |
| waltman | I think I'll wait at least until Pennth finishes updating :) | 17:23 |
| ChinnoDog | How do you submit ideas for Ubuntu release names? I found the wiki page but it is marked immutable. | 17:28 |
| waltman | C should be Crabby Crab | 17:32 |
| Pennth | I have a desktop again, have to do more testing after I finish my hoagie. :) | 17:32 |
| waltman | What kind of hoagie goes well with an ubuntu install? | 17:33 |
| Pennth | waltman, the 11" HP stream notebook, the blue one, that stopped being my daily carry when I got the i7 | 17:33 |
| waltman | ah | 17:33 |
| Pennth | Also, a Wawa italian with pepperoni, spinach and tomato | 17:33 |
| waltman | a bold choice! | 17:34 |
| Pennth | ChinnoDog, I've seen contests/open recommendations announced on OMGUbuntu. IIRC, they happen about four months before the next release is due | 17:34 |
| waltman | Today I opted for the Wegmans oriental salad mix thingy that had been sitting in my fridge all week. | 17:34 |
| waltman | So there's still hope for Despicable Dingo? | 17:35 |
| Pennth | Any salad that sits more than a day in the fridge is a bold choice too | 17:35 |
| waltman | Well, it's all wrapped up. Its good-until date was May 2. | 17:36 |
| waltman | It was all cruchy cabbage stuff so I guess it keeps longer? | 17:36 |
| Pennth | Yeah, dingos are endangered, so for sure. | 17:36 |
| waltman | Deceitful Dodo? | 17:37 |
| Pennth | Can't already be extinct, or next one would be Crunchy Coelocanth | 17:37 |
| waltman | Coelacanths aren't extinct! | 17:39 |
| ChinnoDog | Yea. They are alive and kicking. | 17:39 |
| ChinnoDog | ... so to speak | 17:39 |
| Pennth | OIC. Since there are only two species of coelacanth and both are threatened, it is the most endangered order of animals in the world. The West Indian Ocean coelacanth is a critically endangered species. | 17:39 |
| Pennth | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coelacanth | 17:40 |
| Pennth | Well, I know my vote for 18.10 then :) | 17:40 |
| ChinnoDog | I bet there is room on pleia2's shelf for a stuffed coelacanth. | 17:40 |
| Pennth | Coelacanths were thought to have become extinct in the Late Cretaceous, around 66 million years ago, but were rediscovered in 1938 off the coast of South Africa | 17:41 |
| waltman | I think they're just hard to find because they live in the deep ocean | 17:42 |
| ChinnoDog | Not sure how they can be rediscovered in 1938. I remember reading about the cooelacanth in dinosaur books when I was a kid. | 17:48 |
| Pennth | Like most things, thought missing or dead until found | 17:49 |
| pleia2 | there is no contest or feedback for release names, that's all Mark | 17:49 |
| pleia2 | the wiki page is just immutable if you aren't in the launchpad group that grants edit access | 17:50 |
| waltman | ChinnoDog: They knew about them from fossils and assumed they'd been dead for millions of years. | 17:50 |
| Pennth | So I guess the OMG Ubuntu pages were just for "whatchawant" | 17:51 |
| pleia2 | (too much spam having it open like a proper wiki) | 17:51 |
| pleia2 | Pennth: yeah, and there are wallpaper contests | 17:51 |
| ChinnoDog | waltman: My books were much more recent than 1938 though. The world must not have noticed they were still alive until much later. | 17:52 |
| waltman | It was pretty famous that they found them | 17:52 |
| Pennth | Well, I have 18.04 running, still with Unity and my 2x2 workspace switcher as before, but with the new files app | 17:53 |
| waltman | Wait, you still have a 2x2 switcher? | 17:54 |
| Pennth | totem opens pretty speedily but is using 4g memory :p | 17:54 |
| waltman | Did you have to install anything to get that? | 17:54 |
| waltman | I went from 2x2 to 1xn in the 17.10 update and I'm still a little unhappy about that. | 17:54 |
| Pennth | waltman, I somehow managed to keep unity without it getting zilla-stomped by gnome | 17:54 |
| waltman | huh! | 17:55 |
| Pennth | Yeah, been that way since I installed artful | 17:55 |
| waltman | My unity got trashed. | 17:55 |
| Pennth | s/4g memory/25% of cpu/ | 17:55 |
| r00t^2 | waltman: have you tried ctrl-alt-shift-dwn? | 18:06 |
| r00t^2 | gnome3 by default uses dynamic virtual desktops | 18:06 |
| r00t^2 | (ctrl-alt-up/dwn to switch between them) | 18:07 |
| waltman | what does ctrl-alt-shift-down do? | 18:07 |
| waltman | The problem with ctrl-alt-up/down is that it doesn't scale well beyond 2 or 3 desktops. | 18:09 |
| waltman | Also gnome likes to helpfully dynamically add and remove virtual desktops. If I have chrome on 2, close it, and leave that desktop, it moves desktops 3-n up to 2-n-1 | 18:11 |
| r00t^2 | i'd say it does; you can just hold down ctrl-alt and hit up/down to flip between them. but if you like having an overview, you can hit the special key (usually the "windows" key) and then you have a nice little preview on the right side | 18:12 |
| waltman | Bah. I know what my setup is. I'd like a faster way to switch between them. | 18:13 |
| waltman | And I'd like them to stay where I put them, dammit. | 18:13 |
| r00t^2 | which you haven't specified what you'd like to *do* | 18:13 |
| r00t^2 | but also, | 18:13 |
| r00t^2 | you can set static virtual desktops with gnome-tweak-tools. | 18:13 |
| r00t^2 | err, renamed to gnome-tweaks in newer releases, it seems | 18:13 |
| r00t^2 | on arch, anyways | 18:14 |
| waltman | I typically have 1) terminal and other stuff, 2) chrome, 3) another terminal, 4) slack | 18:14 |
| r00t^2 | yeah. you can set that to be static. | 18:14 |
| waltman | But then if I want to, say, run matlab on 5, I can't do that with static. | 18:14 |
| waltman | at least on 2x2 I could get from slack back to 1 in 2 steps instead of 3. | 18:15 |
| r00t^2 | well, you can just increase the number of virtual desktops, then. | 18:15 |
| waltman | I went through all this when I installed 17.10. I'm used to its quirks. Doesn't mean I *like* them. | 18:15 |
| waltman | Yes, I know how it works, thanks. | 18:16 |
| waltman | Can it give me 2x2 again? It seemed not. | 18:16 |
| waltman | Can I switch to them by number like I can on macOS? | 18:16 |
| r00t^2 | as for switching from like, the task bar or whatever it's called, that should be a bundled gnome extension | 18:16 |
| r00t^2 | included as part of gnome | 18:16 |
| r00t^2 | you can bind your own custom shortcuts. | 18:17 |
| waltman | I assume I need the mouse for that? Way less useful than keyboad control. | 18:17 |
| r00t^2 | ^^^ | 18:17 |
| r00t^2 | https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/OS/KeyboardShortcuts | 18:17 |
| waltman | Thanks. What's the Super key? | 18:21 |
| waltman | Ah, it seems to be my Mac Cmd key | 18:22 |
| Pennth | The trouble (imho but I'm not alone) is that the dynamic desktops are vertical-only | 18:40 |
| Pennth | Found my first glitch in 18.04. Bluetooth headphones connect but are not being used for sound, not listed in sound profile | 18:41 |
| waltman | yeah, the default behavior with dynamic desktops leaves a lot to be desired. I mean, it's great you can tweak it, but I wish they'd put more effort into making the default behavior less hateful. | 18:43 |
| jthan | "hateful?" | 18:55 |
| jthan | Pennth: I had the same issue on Arch with a recent update. You might try connecting them before launching any applications after a fresh login, then launch spotify/firefox/whatever and see if they show up | 18:57 |
| jthan | I don't think it's Ubuntu specific, though | 18:58 |
| waltman | jthan: Well, hateful to *me* :) | 20:02 |
| Pennth | jthan, good to know. I'll do more testing when I get home from work | 20:06 |
| Pennth | And if you've been used to having 2x2 workspaces for 20 years, then suddenly going 1xN without even the benefit of atarispace is definitely a PITA | 20:07 |
| Pennth | for years I had (0,0) Job and browsing; (0,1) Music; (1,0) Programming; (1,1) Games. | 20:08 |
| waltman | also there are at least 2 different levels of hacking it -- ubuntu, gnome hacks, and I think some third deeper way | 20:09 |
| waltman | On my mac they go across, but it doesn't matter because I can easily switch between them with ctrl-1, ctrl-2, etc. | 20:10 |
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