[00:18] yay! [00:43] hey all [00:46] I'm thinking I might wait a few days before I upgrade. [09:50] Morning peoples, critters and everything else [15:14] One of these rounds I'll remember that you need the -d flag to do-release-upgrade even if going from semiannual to LTS [15:23] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_16.04_LTS_or_17.10 # OK, guess I'm waiting a bit. [15:23] I thought for prior releases it prompted me when the new release was available. [15:33] So as that page says, they're waiting a few days before they open up 17.10 to 18.04. I guess I can wait. [15:33] Let the early adopters find the bugs! [15:34] I already went through the switch back to gnome for 17.10, so hopefully that's the biggest change. [15:38] yeah, they do try to land the big changes in the release before the LTS to work out the biggest bugs on the smaller community of people who use the 6 month releases [15:40] Nod. But I think I can wait a few more days for the bugs to get worked out. [15:40] Have you updated yet? [15:45] no, I'm flying to Copenhagen tomorrow for a conference, history shows it's best not to upgrade 2 days before big int'l trip ;) [15:46] Q: When are you *not* 2 days befor a big int'l trip? :) [15:46] it is a problem [16:13] holy wtf? I'm already in the middle of an update! [16:14] (from 17.10) [16:14] Also, if you lock your GUI during the upgrade you may not be able to get back in, but you can still get into a plain shell and 'tail -f /var/log/dpkg.log' to monitor progress [16:18] Think I'll switch the little stream to a fresh install of https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/ubuntu-mate-bionic-final-release/ minimal because it really doesn't have space for an upgrade [17:20] Pennth: I think the issue is mainly in prompting you to do the upgrade [17:21] what's the "little stream"? [17:23] I think I'll wait at least until Pennth finishes updating :) [17:28] How do you submit ideas for Ubuntu release names? I found the wiki page but it is marked immutable. [17:32] C should be Crabby Crab [17:32] I have a desktop again, have to do more testing after I finish my hoagie. :) [17:33] What kind of hoagie goes well with an ubuntu install? [17:33] waltman, the 11" HP stream notebook, the blue one, that stopped being my daily carry when I got the i7 [17:33] ah [17:33] Also, a Wawa italian with pepperoni, spinach and tomato [17:34] a bold choice! [17:34] ChinnoDog, I've seen contests/open recommendations announced on OMGUbuntu. IIRC, they happen about four months before the next release is due [17:34] Today I opted for the Wegmans oriental salad mix thingy that had been sitting in my fridge all week. [17:35] So there's still hope for Despicable Dingo? [17:35] Any salad that sits more than a day in the fridge is a bold choice too [17:36] Well, it's all wrapped up. Its good-until date was May 2. [17:36] It was all cruchy cabbage stuff so I guess it keeps longer? [17:36] Yeah, dingos are endangered, so for sure. [17:37] Deceitful Dodo? [17:37] Can't already be extinct, or next one would be Crunchy Coelocanth [17:39] Coelacanths aren't extinct! [17:39] Yea. They are alive and kicking. [17:39] ... so to speak [17:39] OIC. Since there are only two species of coelacanth and both are threatened, it is the most endangered order of animals in the world. The West Indian Ocean coelacanth is a critically endangered species. [17:40] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coelacanth [17:40] Well, I know my vote for 18.10 then :) [17:40] I bet there is room on pleia2's shelf for a stuffed coelacanth. [17:41] Coelacanths were thought to have become extinct in the Late Cretaceous, around 66 million years ago, but were rediscovered in 1938 off the coast of South Africa [17:42] I think they're just hard to find because they live in the deep ocean [17:48] Not sure how they can be rediscovered in 1938. I remember reading about the cooelacanth in dinosaur books when I was a kid. [17:49] Like most things, thought missing or dead until found [17:49] there is no contest or feedback for release names, that's all Mark [17:50] the wiki page is just immutable if you aren't in the launchpad group that grants edit access [17:50] ChinnoDog: They knew about them from fossils and assumed they'd been dead for millions of years. [17:51] So I guess the OMG Ubuntu pages were just for "whatchawant" [17:51] (too much spam having it open like a proper wiki) [17:51] Pennth: yeah, and there are wallpaper contests [17:52] waltman: My books were much more recent than 1938 though. The world must not have noticed they were still alive until much later. [17:52] It was pretty famous that they found them [17:53] Well, I have 18.04 running, still with Unity and my 2x2 workspace switcher as before, but with the new files app [17:54] Wait, you still have a 2x2 switcher? [17:54] totem opens pretty speedily but is using 4g memory :p [17:54] Did you have to install anything to get that? [17:54] I went from 2x2 to 1xn in the 17.10 update and I'm still a little unhappy about that. [17:54] waltman, I somehow managed to keep unity without it getting zilla-stomped by gnome [17:55] huh! [17:55] Yeah, been that way since I installed artful [17:55] My unity got trashed. [17:55] s/4g memory/25% of cpu/ [18:06] waltman: have you tried ctrl-alt-shift-dwn? [18:06] gnome3 by default uses dynamic virtual desktops [18:07] (ctrl-alt-up/dwn to switch between them) [18:07] what does ctrl-alt-shift-down do? [18:09] The problem with ctrl-alt-up/down is that it doesn't scale well beyond 2 or 3 desktops. [18:11] Also gnome likes to helpfully dynamically add and remove virtual desktops. If I have chrome on 2, close it, and leave that desktop, it moves desktops 3-n up to 2-n-1 [18:12] i'd say it does; you can just hold down ctrl-alt and hit up/down to flip between them. but if you like having an overview, you can hit the special key (usually the "windows" key) and then you have a nice little preview on the right side [18:13] Bah. I know what my setup is. I'd like a faster way to switch between them. [18:13] And I'd like them to stay where I put them, dammit. [18:13] which you haven't specified what you'd like to *do* [18:13] but also, [18:13] you can set static virtual desktops with gnome-tweak-tools. [18:13] err, renamed to gnome-tweaks in newer releases, it seems [18:14] on arch, anyways [18:14] I typically have 1) terminal and other stuff, 2) chrome, 3) another terminal, 4) slack [18:14] yeah. you can set that to be static. [18:14] But then if I want to, say, run matlab on 5, I can't do that with static. [18:15] at least on 2x2 I could get from slack back to 1 in 2 steps instead of 3. [18:15] well, you can just increase the number of virtual desktops, then. [18:15] I went through all this when I installed 17.10. I'm used to its quirks. Doesn't mean I *like* them. [18:16] Yes, I know how it works, thanks. [18:16] Can it give me 2x2 again? It seemed not. [18:16] Can I switch to them by number like I can on macOS? [18:16] as for switching from like, the task bar or whatever it's called, that should be a bundled gnome extension [18:16] included as part of gnome [18:17] you can bind your own custom shortcuts. [18:17] I assume I need the mouse for that? Way less useful than keyboad control. [18:17] ^^^ [18:17] https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/OS/KeyboardShortcuts [18:21] Thanks. What's the Super key? [18:22] Ah, it seems to be my Mac Cmd key [18:40] The trouble (imho but I'm not alone) is that the dynamic desktops are vertical-only [18:41] Found my first glitch in 18.04. Bluetooth headphones connect but are not being used for sound, not listed in sound profile [18:43] yeah, the default behavior with dynamic desktops leaves a lot to be desired. I mean, it's great you can tweak it, but I wish they'd put more effort into making the default behavior less hateful. [18:55] "hateful?" [18:57] Pennth: I had the same issue on Arch with a recent update. You might try connecting them before launching any applications after a fresh login, then launch spotify/firefox/whatever and see if they show up [18:58] I don't think it's Ubuntu specific, though [20:02] jthan: Well, hateful to *me* :) [20:06] jthan, good to know. I'll do more testing when I get home from work [20:07] And if you've been used to having 2x2 workspaces for 20 years, then suddenly going 1xN without even the benefit of atarispace is definitely a PITA [20:08] for years I had (0,0) Job and browsing; (0,1) Music; (1,0) Programming; (1,1) Games. [20:09] also there are at least 2 different levels of hacking it -- ubuntu, gnome hacks, and I think some third deeper way [20:10] On my mac they go across, but it doesn't matter because I can easily switch between them with ctrl-1, ctrl-2, etc.