[00:00] <retran> that's a vm command, raidghost
[00:01] <retran> the term "bind" is kinda weird
[00:01] <luxio> Does Ubuntu install the bootloader on /dev/sda regardless of the drive the OS is installed on?
[00:02] <centopeia> oi
[00:02] <leozimgameplays> oi
[00:02] <luxio> oi
[00:02] <leozimgameplays> td bem
[00:02] <centopeia> td bem
[00:02] <leozimgameplays> quem eh luxio?
[00:02] <raidghost> retran: What? how?
[00:02] <centopeia> tc de onde gata
[00:02] <centopeia> ?
[00:02] <leozimgameplays> hello world
[00:02] <centopeia> rsrsrs
[00:03] <retran> raidghost, what vm system? virtualbox?
[00:03] <raidghost> retran: for me to use the 2 last tvtunercards the 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Sky Lake PCIe Controller (x16) (rev 05)
[00:03] <raidghost> retran: libvirt (kvm)
[00:03] <leozimgameplays> o/
[00:03] <luxio> !pt | leozimgameplays
[00:04] <leozimgameplays> centopeia
[00:04] <leozimgameplays> entra no ubuntu-br
[00:04] <raidghost> Since only 1 of the 3 cards working (its because its connected to the motherboard (pci) and not pci-e
[00:04] <gravataflorida> pavlos, its a fresh install. i'm trying ubuntu looking for nvidia-prime pkg
[00:05] <retran> raidghost, you should be looking up instructions specifically how to do a PCI passthru (for TV tuner cards) in kvm
[00:05] <retran> PCI is different from USB
[00:05] <h31_> Hello. https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads BitTorrent link for 18.04 Server is incorrect.
[00:05] <h31_> Please, fix it.
[00:05] <raidghost> retran: Its not that easy. When the 3 devices is 6 devices in lspci (due to 2x2 tuners each card)
[00:06] <raidghost> retran: To get all the tvcards running i need to put the SKY Lake pcie controller into guest and not host
[00:07] <raidghost> iommu is not making it easy.
[00:07] <energizer> Whenever I press Win+P accidentally, my display settings are destroyed and i have to go into Displays and reset them. I'm trying to disable this shortcut. But when i go to capture it in Keyboard Shortcuts, .... it just destroys my display settings again (while im trying to disable the shortcut).
[00:08] <Nautilus> is there any place to find out if ubuntu will work on a Thinkpad X230 (wifi included)?
[00:08] <luxio> Nautilus: it will
[00:09] <Nautilus> luxio: how sure, and why?
[00:09] <luxio> 99% sure, because ubuntu runs on pretty much everything
[00:09] <Nautilus> cant seem to get wifi (non-free) going with debian
[00:10] <Nautilus> yea but I might be that 1% :(
[00:10] <gravataflorida> well, i'm facing problems with my new notebook =)
[00:10] <ani> Bashing-om: I disabled all PPAs, am using no proprietary drivers according to Additional Drivers menu and do-release-upgrade -d says "Checking for a new Ubuntu release Upgrades to the development release are only available from the latest supported release"
[00:11] <ani> Everything is updated
[00:11] <luxio> Nautilus: it will install, can't guarantee wifi will work
[00:11] <luxio> looks like other people have been facing problems
[00:11] <gravataflorida> i think the problem is with nvidia gtx 1050ti mobile + intel hd graphics 630
[00:11] <luxio> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2281885
[00:11] <luxio> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1048430
[00:11] <Bashing-om> ani: Sorry, do not know .. I had expected that ^ to be good :(
[00:11] <gravataflorida> optimus setup, i think
[00:12] <Nautilus> luxio: yea, in fact I think the drivers are running (shows up in "ip a"), but the Fn key to turn on WiFi is what seems to be broken
[00:12] <energizer> ive tried all of these but none help https://askubuntu.com/questions/68463/how-to-disable-global-super-p-shortcut
[00:13] <phoenix_firebrd> ‎ I am trying to upgrade from 17.10 to 18.04, I am getting a message "No new release found."
[00:14] <ani> Hm if I switch "LTS only" mode to "All versions" mode it shows the 18.04 upgrade, guess that works
[00:14] <Bashing-om> ani: Check /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades as to what is set for the upgrade path .
[00:15] <phoenix_firebrd> ani: I did that, still it says "No new release found."
[00:16] <ani> Prompt=normal
[00:17] <teward> phoenix_firebrd: ani: i believe this might be a 'known issue' that isn't yet fixed but is on the radar of the release team.  can't confirm, but I have seen chatter about it.
[00:17] <phoenix_firebrd> teward: I am on kubuntu
[00:17] <teward> phoenix_firebrd: it's a global issue.  not related to any specific flavor
[00:17] <teward> (that is, ubuntu, kubuntu, lubuntu, server, etc. all have the same issue)
[00:17] <phoenix_firebrd> teward: does the sever follow a queuing system to serve updates?
[00:18] <phoenix_firebrd> teward: I remember something like that
[00:18] <teward> phoenix_firebrd: i don't know the technical side of the servers, so I can't answer that, sorry.  (I'm not part of the Release team or the Canonical IS teams sorry)
[00:18] <teward> s/of the servers/of the d-r-u 'system' underneath the hood/
[00:19] <oerheks> maybe changing mirror is the fix
[00:19] <phoenix_firebrd> oerheks: I am on the main server
[00:25] <phoenix_firebrd> ani, teward, oerheks . ‎acheronuk in #kubuntu said "upgrades don't get enabled for a day or two."
[00:25] <jonathanchang> hey, folks
[00:26] <phoenix_firebrd> hi
[00:26] <Markdown1_> Delaying is better than Buggy software.
[00:26] <jonathanchang> hey , folks
[00:27] <acheronuk> yeah. release team said " We'll give it a day or three to see if any critical upgrade bugs trickle in that we should be SRUing for before opening the flood gates."
[00:27] <luxio> wasn't ubuntu supposed to get a new gtk theme in 18.04?
[00:27] <pavlos> gravataflorida: see if the install works with nouveau, then add nvidia
[00:27] <oerheks> acheronuk, thank you
[00:28] <operator-error> I just did "sudo do-release-upgrade" in the terminal and it reported "No new release found."  I'm currently using 16.04.  What gives?
[00:29] <ani> fair enough, I managed to upgrade though
[00:29] <Markdown1_> operator-error wait couple more hours.
[00:29] <Markdown1_> operator-error like 72 hours.
[00:29] <operator-error> Markdown1_: Ah, ok.  Thanks.
[00:30] <Markdown1_> Delayed Stable Update > Fast Buggy Update
[00:31] <operator-error> Markdown1_: Basically, wait for 18.04.1?
[00:31] <Markdown1_> operator-error no
[00:31] <Markdown1_> operator-error I mean not that long :P it will be provided soon enough.
[00:31] <Markdown1_> thats why I said couple of hours.
[00:32] <operator-error> Gotcha.
[00:34] <waltman> Is 18.04 server ready yet? I'm getting an error when I try to grab the torrent.
[00:34] <kyrofa> I'm trying to install 18.04 on a UEFI machine, with full disk encryption other than the ESP partition, and the installer won't let me "You have selected the root file system to be store on an encrypted partition. This feature requires a separate /boot partition..."
[00:34] <kyrofa> Isn't that what ESP is for?
[00:35] <retran> waltman, the published torrent link is wrong
[00:35] <oerheks> waltman, which one?
[00:35] <oerheks> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[00:35] <waltman> retran: ah!
[00:36] <Markdown1_> Torrent link from the Download page leads to 404.
[00:37] <oerheks> .. there are 5 server isos, i am seeding 2 of them, amd64 and the live
[00:37] <Bashing-om> Markdown1_: Fixing the link is a work in progress :) ..
[00:38] <oerheks> oh wait, html page, not the torrent list
[00:38] <Markdown1_> I actually got it from here http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[00:39] <Markdown1_> Bashing-om Thanks!
[00:39] <waltman> Same here. Thanks, oerheks.
[00:39] <Markdown1_> for some reason today I am encountering too many 404 links all over the internet
[00:39] <Markdown1_> hmm
[00:40] <oerheks> manually set dns?
[00:41] <Markdown1_> Ubuntu Server amd64 http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/file?info_hash=%18%85%5D%EC%AE0%92/%A7ij%2A%9D%A0%94IO%91%F3%13
[00:44] <oerheks> that one should work fine ..
[00:45] <Markdown1_> oerheks no just random FOSS projects.
[00:45] <Markdown1_> :P
[00:45] <luxio> My ~/.bash_profile isn't working
[00:45] <luxio> It's not running the commands in there
[00:46] <luxio> it was working fine on Ubuntu 17
[00:46] <brianherman2> Is there release channel here
[00:51] <de-facto> !isitout | brianherman2
[00:53] <wscott> installed 18.04 on a machine that was running 16.04.  The USB image boots fine and works on my dual displays.  But after installing a rebooting, the kernel freezes right after grub changes the screen mode.  I assume it is frozen because the keyboard no longer responds
[00:53] <wscott> how do I go about debugging?
[00:54] <wscott> guessing tweaking the grub cmdline.
[00:55] <wscott> btw this is a fresh install where I repartitioned the disk, so no leftovers from the previous install.
[00:56] <jonathanchang> hey, folks
[00:57] <jonathanchang> hey, folks
[00:58] <jonathanchang> when i use apt, i got Writing more data than expected
[00:58] <Shibe> when will i be able to upgrade to 18.04 from 17.10?
[00:58] <jonathanchang> i have done everything i could, still can't going through this, anybody who could give me a hand ?
[01:00] <jonathanchang> I've fixed this when i was using 17.10, But I forgot that
[01:01] <jonathanchang> can anybody help me?
[01:01] <Smal> Hey, so I just installed ubuntu 18.04 followed by the gnome-sessions DE, logged in to vanilla gnome and tweak tool does not display the global dark theme option. Am I missing something?
[01:03] <SlidingHorn> jonathanchang: It sounds like you're updating from a mirror that's still updating itself - happens a lot during releases.  I'd suggest waiting an hour and seeing if it's fixed
[01:05] <shadow98> gufw I don't see it logging anything anyone have ideas.  I want to see what it is dropping and allowing.
[01:06] <shadow98> I checked /var/log/gufw.log and that is just the settings log.  I also looked at ufw.log
[01:09] <KombuchaKip> Can someone please point me to the alternate installer for Ubuntu 18.04? I need it because the release notes say to use that version if you need RAID setup which I do.
[01:09] <jonathan_> sorry, pal, my irc client crashes
[01:09] <jonathan_> i haven't got what you told me
[01:09] <SlidingHorn> jonathan_: It sounds like you're updating from a mirror that's still updating itself - happens a lot during releases.  I'd suggest waiting an hour and seeing if it's fixed
[01:10] <jonathanchang> nope, i've already change my sources
[01:10] <Vector_> I'm fed up with windows 10. Seeing the new update for Ubuntu everywhere. How difficult is it for a Linux newbie?
[01:10] <jonathanchang> it doesn't work
[01:10] <vktr33> if i download & install KDE, does it matter i'm running xubuntu (instead of regular ubuntu)?
[01:11] <jonathanchang> i think remove all the md5sum stuff and redownload them would be ok
[01:11] <vktr33> Vector_: not difficult at all, first days you might need to get used to it
[01:11] <SlidingHorn> vktr33: no, if you install the kubuntu desktop meta package you should just be able to choose which DE you want to use when you log in
[01:12] <Vector_> Is there any issues gaming with it? I know steam supports it.
[01:12] <vktr33> SlidingHorn: no difference in the core OS, right?
[01:12] <SlidingHorn> Vector_: if the games run on linux, then no, there won't be any issues.
[01:12] <SlidingHorn> vktr33: correct
[01:12] <Tin__man> linux and ubuntu have come a long way with games, but not up to speed to compete with windows
[01:12] <jonathanchang> but I don't know how to remove the apt md5sum cache stuff
[01:12] <vktr33> Vector_: Steam does work well on ubuntu. your choice in games is much more limited though
[01:13] <vktr33> SlidingHorn: ok, thanks
[01:13] <Vector_> Hm, okay then. I'll start it in a new partition and see how it goes I guess. Dual boot.
[01:13] <SlidingHorn> Tin__man: I'd disagree heartily, but that's not a discussion for this channel...
[01:13] <Vector_> Appreciate the help.
[01:14] <vktr33> Vector_: welcome. dual boot is a good idea if you're not sure. if you want to game it's recommendable (maybe necessary) to install proprietary driver, which is very easy in ubuntu. but for now, AMD doesn't have them i believe
[01:16] <KombuchaKip> Can someone please point me to the alternate installer for Ubuntu 18.04? I need it because the release notes say to use that version if you need RAID setup which I do.
[01:17] <eelstrebor> is there some kind of trick to make ubuntu mainline kernels 4.16.4 or 4.16.5 work?
[01:18] <vktr33> KombuchaKip: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
[01:18] <pragmaticenigma> KombuchaKip, https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads - at the bottom of the page is the link to the alternate installer
[01:19] <oerheks> the mainline repo, eelstrebor , up to 4.16.5 .. and 17 rc http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.16.5/
[01:19] <oerheks> !mainline
[01:20] <oerheks> see that you installed the right debs in the correct order, then just boot it from grub
[01:21] <KombuchaKip> vktr33 & pragmaticenigma: It goes to the following link but I don't see an ISO labelled as alternate. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/18.04/release/
[01:22] <pragmaticenigma> KombuchaKip, That is because server edition is the alternative installer
[01:22] <maskeddriver> has anybody been able to upgrade from software updater yet?
[01:22] <pragmaticenigma> KombuchaKip, in the title above the link it says "Alternative Ubuntu Server installer"
[01:22] <SlidingHorn> maskeddriver: that's not a thing until the .1 update I believe
[01:22] <pragmaticenigma> maskeddriver, updating through software updater will not be available until the 18.04.1 rollup release
[01:23] <maskeddriver> oh. when's that?
[01:23] <pragmaticenigma> maskeddriver, Scheduled for July
[01:23] <maskeddriver> ok
[01:23] <oerheks> i guess you want the mini iso .. http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[01:23] <oerheks> alternate installer is long gone
[01:23] <maskeddriver> gotcha
[01:23] <RoadRunner> can anyone help with a booting/memory issue?
[01:24] <pragmaticenigma> oerheks, Server took over for alternatives I thought. Since that is also where MINI points to for UEFI isntallations
[01:24] <maskeddriver> it's weird that the upgrade instructions include that, then
[01:24] <oerheks> pragmaticenigma, sounds plausible, mini iso is not suitable for UEFI
[01:24] <eelstrebor> oerheks, unable to remove the latest kernels: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:25] <eelstrebor> i couldn't remove them with synaptic either
[01:26] <pragmaticenigma> maskeddriver, the upgrade instructions are written for the majority case. since they also apply for moving from 14.04 to 16.04 and 12.04 to 16.04
[01:26] <maskeddriver> gotcha
[01:26] <vktr33> KombuchaKip: there's no "alternate" option or advanced options in partitioning for RAID in the regular installer? Also, are you Khmer (not relevant, just curious)?
[01:26] <nowprovision> Okay, gnome 3 on ubuntu 18.04 lts, keyboard shortcuts, open settings app, how do I navigate the left sidebar menu, at the moment I have to press ctrl+f and then enter, before up and down arrows work?
[01:26] <pragmaticenigma> maskeddriver, if you can wait, I'd suggest waiting until it's made available. If not, there are ways to get the upgrade to trigger sooner
[01:27] <pragmaticenigma> maskeddriver, advantages of waiting include most importantly, major bug fixes will have been addressed
[01:27] <maskeddriver> pragmaticenigma, I'll definitely wait on my work machine. On my "media" laptop that I'm playing on now, it's pretty much a base install, I may just pop the live cd in and update
[01:28] <maskeddriver> speaking of media. time to watch last night's Expanse
[01:28] <pragmaticenigma> maskeddriver, that would work too
[01:28] <maskeddriver> catch you guys tomorrow. good work Ubuntu team
[01:28] <KombuchaKip> pragmaticenigma: Ok, but there is a server iso and a live server iso. Compare http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/18.04/release/ to http://releases.ubuntu.com/bionic/
[01:29] <KombuchaKip> oerheks: The 18.04 server release notes actually tell user to use alternate installer if they need RAID.
[01:30] <KombuchaKip> vktr33: No I'm not Khmer
[01:30] <KombuchaKip> vktr33: No alternate method in regular installer for configuring linux raid.
[01:31] <enjoi> ahoy!
[01:31] <bongripper666> Xubuntu 18.04: Screentearing : The Distro
[01:32] <bongripper666> seriosly why? in 2018 why does it still come with screentearing outa the box?
[01:32] <enjoi> So I am converting some xml files to csv, was just wondering before I make myself go through hell if there were any good recent tools added which might assist with this that I maybe haven't stumbled upon yet
[01:33] <enjoi> I could of course just python it out
[01:33] <bongripper666> gnode is a shit de too, wtf is this shit made for fucking tablets?
[01:33] <Qwet> Why does my installer hang at boot with starting holds snappy daemon refresh?
[01:33] <enjoi> but if there were any tools in particular on the linux side which could assist with this that would be awesome
[01:33] <Qwet> Is there a way to boot the ISO image in safe mode?
[01:34] <vktr33> KombuchaKip: i think you should be able to set it up with manual partitioning, but honestly don't know how either
[01:34] <pragmaticenigma> KombuchaKip, perhaps it may be best to wait a few days while all the documenation is updated to reflect the currently available installation media
[01:35] <pragmaticenigma> KombuchaKip, https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/advanced-installation.html
[01:35] <KombuchaKip> pragmaticenigma: It looks like the server iso and server live iso are different. The former has the traditional ncurses based installer.
[01:36] <leftyfb> !language | bongripper666
[01:36] <pragmaticenigma> KombuchaKip, see the installation instructions I just posted. That is the limit of my knowledge
[01:37] <de-facto> hmm so got used to pushing the mouse to upper left corner for expose of the windows. why did ubuntu disable that and where can i enable it again?
[01:37] <pragmaticenigma> de-facto, 18.04 no longer uses Unity, It now uses a Ubuntu Customized version of Gnome Desktop
[01:38] <de-facto> can i somehow completely delete all canonical specific changes to gnome shell and get the default behaviour?
[01:38] <vktr33> de-facto: you can download the "stock" gnome3
[01:39] <vktr33> de-facto: otherwise just download tweaks, and tweak it
[01:39] <pragmaticenigma> de-facto, yes, installing gnome-session will enable the option in the login screen to use Gnome without Ubuntu Customization
[01:39] <rsmith31415> Hi guys... anyone else noticed 2GB of memory usage on startup in Ubuntu MATE?
[01:39] <rsmith31415> (18.04)
[01:40] <pragmaticenigma> rsmith31415, you will need to be more specific. Different computers result in different behaviors for everyone
[01:41] <cryptz_> anyone having issues with openssh-server not running on 18.04 after upgrade from prev version (17.10 in my case) service will not start even after re-install
[01:41] <rsmith31415> pragmaticenigma:  64 bits, Ubuntu MATE 18.04 ... uhm, what other specification is needed?
[01:44] <Pharaoh>  Hi All! I am unable to upgrade to 18.04 from 17.10. Is it available now?
[01:45] <gogeta> woot woot 18.04 lol
[01:46] <Markdown1_> Pharaoh wait couple more Hours.
[01:46] <Markdown1_> join #ubuntu-release-party
[01:46] <Pharaoh> @Markdown1_ Wow! The update manager just told me 18.04 is available, upgrading now
[01:47] <cryptz_> apt-g:q
[01:47] <Markdown1_> Pharaoh good luck
[01:47] <gogeta> Pharaoh, repos probly are gonna crash
[01:47] <jahtemg> That traffic
[01:48] <Pharaoh> @gogeta, @Markdown1_ - I will wait till tomorrow if you say so.
[01:48] <Pharaoh> no big deal
[01:49] <cryptz_> fyi i resolved my issue with ssh after upgrade, didnt like one of the ciphers in the config file
[01:50] <Markdown1_> Pharaoh well , new releases may have bugs.
[01:50] <Markdown1_> I am doing fresh installs, so dunno about Upgrades.
[01:51] <vktr33> if i install kubuntu now via terminal, i'll get 18.04 or still 16.04?
[01:51] <Markdown1_> was not Kubuntu upgrade delayed by 2 days?
[01:52] <oerheks> any upgrader should look seriously to the releasenotes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#Known_issues
[01:52] <Markdown1_> at this rate I am seeding torrents, my ISP may give me a call :)
[01:53] <pragmaticenigma> Markdown1_, all official ubuntu flavors were released today
[01:54] <Markdown1_> pragmaticenigma I mean Upgrade, not the ISO releases.
[01:54] <Markdown1_> Upgrade from older version that is.
[01:55] <texla> Why is not the software updater show the new ones
[01:55] <pragmaticenigma> Markdown1_, with the release, the repos are available as well... the software manager may take a few days to identify there is a new release
[01:56] <DevilTiger_> i've got 18 on a usb. i selected to install it but it's not really giving me the option to choose where. its just going to install it on the usb right?
[01:56] <qwet> My installer hangs at boot on something like "starting snap daemon"
[01:56] <Markdown1_> IDK, someone was saying here that Upgrade of Kubuntu was delayed due to some bugs, but ISO for fresh installs were available, IDK if that is right or wrong.
[01:57] <jonathanchang> $ sudo do-release-upgrade
[01:57] <jonathanchang> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[01:57] <jonathanchang> No new release found.
[01:57] <Markdown1_> jonathanchang wait couple more hours then.
[01:57] <pragmaticenigma> Markdown1_, the ISOs are built from the packages in the repos... hard to build a house, without the parts
[01:57] <jonathanchang> yep, i am waitting
[01:58] <qwet> Is there a fallback mode on the installer?
[01:59] <booterror> is there anyone here familiar with ubuntu boot issues
[02:00] <booterror> is there anyone here
[02:01] <booterror> hi _s4mur4i
[02:01] <pragmaticenigma> !ask | booterror
[02:01] <Bashing-om> booterror: Ask the real question.
[02:02] <sysfault> i dropped an ice cude on my touchpad. the mouse stopped working on my ubuntu system for a second. i dried it turned my system off and after hours i am not starting it up. in gdm the mouse works fine but once i login the touchpad doesnt respond. did some mechanism get enabled once the ice cube hit the touchpad in my desktop environment? it is obviously working since it works in gdm before i login.
[02:02] <pragmaticenigma> qwet, Once installed, there is not an easy way to downgrade back to the previous release of Ubuntu
[02:02] <pragmaticenigma> qwet, the installer does not provide a downgrade option
[02:03] <qwet> pragmaticenigma: That's not what I'm asking. I want to know if there is a way to boot the installer if it doesn't boot
[02:03] <qwet> by default
[02:03] <booterror> Is anyone familiar with an issue with ubuntu booting into a busybox shell right after it decrypts the drive?
[02:03] <de-facto> just tried to install skype from software, it installed but is not avail under synaptc... how can i get rid of that snap thingy?
[02:04] <de-facto> i want only deb packages, nothing else
[02:04] <sysfault> anyone have any idea?
[02:04] <booterror> ive already searched askubuntu and havent found a solution
[02:05] <booterror> otherwise this system is completely screwed and my wife has lost all of her data
[02:05] <pragmaticenigma> qwet, that question makes no sense to me
[02:06] <pragmaticenigma> de-facto, "sudo apt-get purge skype"
[02:06] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | sysfault
[02:06] <kus> when will we get bionic beaver for artful people in do-release-upgrade?
[02:07] <qwet> pragmaticenigma: I boot the iso image but it hangs
[02:07] <pragmaticenigma> kus, you're software updater will let you know when it is ready
[02:07] <qwet> pragmaticenigma: what do I do?
[02:07] <jjbuggle> is bionic out?
[02:07] <de-facto> pragmaticenigma, yes i WISH that would work. its the new snap magic, so that does not work
[02:07] <gogeta> !isitout
[02:07] <de-facto> "dpkg --get-selections | grep skype " is empty
[02:07] <pragmaticenigma> de-facto, did you try it?
[02:07] <booterror> if you type exit in the prompt it tries to mount /sys then /proc and fails giving a kernel panic stack trace
[02:07] <de-facto> es
[02:07] <kus> pragmaticenigma, I shouldn't do it over ssh for desktop?
[02:07] <jjbuggle> gogeta: thanks!
[02:07] <sysfault> pragmaticenigma: heh im trying to use my system bro. its killing me
[02:08] <pragmaticenigma> kus, you should avoid performing system updates remotely
[02:08] <de-facto> im gonna uninstall all that snap thingy's
[02:08] <jjbuggle> kus: usually the do-release-upgrade command is delayed in the delivery, but I think you can add the -c option to make it now
[02:09] <booterror> i can post a screenshot of the kernel panic if someone can help
[02:09] <jjbuggle> [q] can I convert an old lubuntu install to xubuntu?  Also, how much longer is 14.04 being supported?
[02:09] <pragmaticenigma> de-facto, try "snap remove skype"
[02:09] <pragmaticenigma> de-facto, rather "sudo snap remove skype"
[02:09] <jjbuggle> booterror: sure
[02:10] <de-facto> ok that worked
[02:10] <booterror> jjbuggle pm?
[02:10] <pragmaticenigma> de-facto, yay!
[02:10] <pragmaticenigma> !pm | booterror
[02:10] <jjbuggle> booterror: no
[02:11] <booterror> ok well this is going to take a minute
[02:11] <pragmaticenigma> booterror, as you were told... Patience... we are all volunteers here, if someone knows a solution or can help, they will reach out. until then, wait
[02:13] <booterror> ?
[02:13] <sysfault> i dropped an ice cude on my touchpad. the mouse stopped working on my ubuntu system for a second. i dried it turned my system off and after hours i am just starting it up. in gdm the mouse works fine but once i login the touchpad doesnt respond. did some mechanism get enabled once the ice cube hit the touchpad in my desktop environment? it is obviously working since it works in gdm before i login. obviously the ribbon cable
[02:13] <sysfault> that attaches the etrackpad to the mobo is fine since the touchpad works in gdm3 just not in my unity environment. the spill happened when i was in my env
[02:13] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | sysfault
[02:13] <leftyfb> sysfault: your issue is hardware
[02:14] <Bashing-om> jjbuggle: Yes, for the xubuntu ' sudo apt install xubuntu-desktop ' . 14.04 main has support until 2019, The xubuntu pieces went out of support in 2017 ( support for 3 years ) .
[02:14] <jonathanchang> @sysfault, i think you need to heat the touchpad let it totally dry
[02:14] <sysfault> the icecube was on the tgouchpad for a few seconds
[02:15] <sysfault> but why does it work in gdm3 then
[02:15] <jjbuggle> sysfault: maybe it is the disable touchpad while typing, and I would also support giving is a long time to dry
[02:15] <booterror> jjbugle http://oi68.tinypic.com/t8w2g1.jpg
[02:15] <jjbuggle> Bashing-om: thanks
[02:15] <sysfault> jjbuggle: how do i reenable it
[02:15] <sysfault> jjbuggle: as soon as i login it stops working
[02:16] <sysfault> jonathanchang: this sucks it works before i login fine
[02:16] <sysfault> cursor completely stops once im logged in
[02:16] <jonathanchang> give it more time
[02:16] <jonathanchang> the touchpad need it
[02:17] <pragmaticenigma> sysfault, use the guest mode and see if the same problem exists.
[02:17] <jjbuggle> booterror: I don't know this stuff that well, but I'm not sure that is the relevant error.  You are already dropped into that shell, and the error is happening after you exit?  Seems like there may have been an error earlier.  That's my guess.  I'm working actually, so better to ask your qquestion to the room, as I won't help you further
[02:18] <Ricohga> hi
[02:19] <sysfault> how do i get to guest mode?
[02:19] <booterror> yes
[02:19] <booterror> it drops into that immediately after decrypting the disk
[02:19] <sysfault> it even works in my windows 7 partition on the same system
[02:20] <booterror> i can show you a shot of what happens with the recovery boot
[02:20] <sysfault> just not in unity
[02:20] <booterror> it does the same thing but there might be more information
[02:21] <jjbuggle> booterror: that seems more like it, but again, I need to stop paying attention as I am working on something else.  Ideally you can find an error right before it drops you into that shell
[02:21] <booterror> i just did
[02:22] <booterror> im about to upload it
[02:22] <sysfault> its obviously my ubuntu desktop
[02:22] <sysfault> the touchpad works fine in gdm and in my windows 7 partition
[02:22] <sysfault> on the same system
[02:22] <sysfault> so what the heck happened that im missing here
[02:23] <booterror> this is the error http://oi66.tinypic.com/15s68tz.jpg
[02:23] <booterror> just before it drops into the shell
[02:24] <de-facto> oh, are you sure that disk is fine? looks like it has some hw issues... check with SMART maybe?
[02:25] <booterror> SMART?
[02:26] <de-facto> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T.
[02:27] <AmR|EiSa> Hello
[02:27] <AmR|EiSa> What is gcc ver in ubuntu 18.04 ??
[02:27] <de-facto> not sure about your setup, but I/O error, dev sda, sector ... does not read good imho...
[02:28] <jjbuggle> booterror: actually, you may be in enormous trouble right now.  Your harddrive is about to die, and you are about to lose all your data.  It's weird because I was beta testing bionic and I had that same error, ended up recovering all my data, but I bought a new drive
[02:28] <Bashing-om> !info gcc bionic | AmR|EiSa
[02:29] <booterror> how did you recover the data?
[02:30] <jjbuggle> booterror: I tried several things, and what I ended up doing was booting with a live cd, disabling swap immediately.  Buying an external drive, and using ddrescue to copy all the data to that external drive.  Mount the image
[02:31] <booterror> how do you disable swap
[02:31] <xamithan> swapoff ?
[02:34] <booterror> ok so with ddrescue you would need a whole hard drive, you couldnt use a flash and just get the relevant information?
[02:38] <rsmith31415> Uhm... I'm definitely experiencing a worst performance in Ubuntu MATE 18.04 compared to 16.04
[02:39] <rsmith31415> Admittedly, my hardware is very old (8 year-old laptop)...
[02:39] <xamithan> What kind of worst performance
[02:41] <Bashing-om> rsmith31415: I run a dual Athlon system from 2007. with xubuntu I have real decent performance :)
[02:41] <rsmith31415> High memory usage (2GB on startup), lag in Java applications, several error messages about processes (although that is common in new installations)
[02:42] <xamithan> That seems pretty normal,  java is memory hungry
[02:42] <rsmith31415> xubuntu is more lightweight than MATE, right?
[02:42] <rsmith31415> xamithan: Yes. However, I'm comparing MATE 18.04 vs MATE 16.04
[02:43] <rsmith31415> I don't see the same lag in Java application with 16.04.
[02:44] <rsmith31415> Could it be that hardware acceleration is the main cause of that behavior?
[02:44] <rsmith31415> Maybe they are relying more heavily on hardware acceleration
[02:45] <sysfault> could anyone tell me why this mouse isnt working in unity but works in gdm and in my win7 partition fine on the same system ever since i dropped the ice cube on the touchpad?
[02:45] <jjbuggle> rsmith31415: it could be a bug, in which case I would either file a bug report or wait a month
[02:46] <rsmith31415> jjbuggle: If I remember correctly, I noticed the issue with Java since 17.04, but back then I thought this would be fixed in the stable release :-P
[02:49] <rsmith31415> Probably I just need to buy a new laptop and keep this one running on 16.04. It is very difficult to maintain performance in old hardware.
[02:49] <rsmith31415> Or change distributions as Bashing-om suggested.
[02:52] <jjbuggle> rsmith31415: Im on xubuntu myself.  I'm happy with that.  I don't see the point in giving performance to the desktop environment.
[02:53] <Bashing-om> rsmith31415: Several things one can do to gain performance . To be honest .. the best performance I gained was a minimal install with xfce as the DE. Faster on a spinning hard drive than a full install of xubuntu on a SSD .
[02:53] <bannakaffalatta> Anyone aware if the vagrant cloud ubuntu/bionic64 v20180426.2.0 the release version or is it the bad version? It says it was updated 20 hours ago.
[02:54] <rsmith31415> Interesting. Yes, I will take a look at other lightweight distributions.
[02:54] <vktr33> i installed kubuntu on top of xubuntu. but on log in kubuntu (or KDE) isn't showing in DE options. any advice?
[02:54] <jjbuggle> vktr33: what command did you use?
[02:54] <vktr33> jjbuggle: just terminal
[02:55] <jjbuggle> vktr33: so apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[02:56] <Markdown1_> Ubuntu Mate is lightweight as well and Lubuntu.
[02:56] <vktr33> jjbuggle: yes, after adding PPA and updating, trying to find the website with explanation i followed
[02:56] <Markdown1_> Kubuntu is lighter than Ubuntu btw, as Plasma uses less resources than Gnome.
[02:56] <jjbuggle> Markdown1_: really?  That's interesting
[02:56] <vktr33> jjbuggle: https://www.linuxbabe.com/ubuntu/install-kde-plasma-5-7-ubuntu-16-04-ubuntu-16-10
[02:57] <Markdown1_> jjbuggle yes tested it.
[02:58] <jjbuggle> vktr33: I'm not sure, but Im curious what you picked, lightdm or ssdm?
[02:58] <vktr33> jjbuggle: didn't get any prompt to pick WM. hadn't thought about it to be honest
[03:00] <vktr33> jjbuggle: upgrading now, maybe that'll help ?
[03:00] <Markdown1_> also don't forget Ubuntu Budgie guys :) its an official derivative as well https://ubuntubudgie.org/
[03:01] <Markdown1_> its like that Kid everyone forgets about.
[03:01] <Markdown1_> replaced Lubuntu in that position ;)
[03:09] <vktr33> jjbuggle: i'm installing again, now i'm prompted Lightdm or sddm. so, which is best?
[03:10] <jjbuggle> vktr33: my knowledge is outdated on that.  I would choose lightdm since that used to be the standard
[03:11] <vktr33> jjbuggle: sticking to what's known to work? i'd go with that
[03:11] <jjbuggle> yup, but like I said, im outdated.  It's been a few years since I followed ubuntu stuff
[03:11] <Markdown1_> vktr33 what DE are you installing?
[03:13] <vktr33> Markdown1_: Kubuntu, on top of xubuntu
[03:13] <Markdown1_> vktr33 for anything KDE/LXQt SDDM is recommended but LightDM works too.
[03:14] <vktr33> Markdown1_: already went with lightdm, any way to change after installing?
[03:14] <Markdown1_> vktr33 there is, but no need to worry about it anyways, it it works fine you are good to go.
[03:15] <Markdown1_> vktr33 they are just display managers, both works fine generally.
[03:15] <vktr33> Markdown1_: k, thanks
[03:23] <Markdown1_> wait what happened to Lubuntu?
[03:24] <jjbuggle> what happened to lubuntu?
[03:24] <Markdown1_> I mean the download links are not up yet.
[03:24] <genewitch> is there anything like registax for ubuntu?
[03:24] <genewitch> where it stacks video frames into an image
[03:25] <viktor01330> i get a lot of err msg and broken packages trying to install kubuntu DE https://pastebin.com/NwiZhHhG
[03:28] <viktor01330> https://pastebin.com/N4dPmKNx
[03:28] <viktor01330> maybe i'm better of installing kubuntu from scratch and xfce (GUI only) on top of that? I'd like to have Kubuntu and xfce as sort of a leaner back-up
[03:28] <jjbuggle> viktor01330: might be an issue with the ppa, try removing kde-l10n-th
[03:29] <viktor01330> jjbuggle: okay, but i'll need it later. won't i run into the same problem?
[03:30] <jjbuggle> viktor01330: you can add it back in later, I think it is an issue with the ppa.  Maybe remove the ppa
[03:31] <qwet> Is there a reason the installer crashes if the root partition is not empty?
[03:31] <sky887> !isitoutyet
[03:31] <guiverc> Markdown1_, the lubuntu.me will be corrected shortly
[03:32] <sky887> #ubuntu-release-party
[03:32] <Markdown1_> also what is up with Lubuntu having 2 websites?
[03:33] <guiverc> Markdown1_, you're probably best asking on #lubuntu for that  (where I went to get answers on web site & downloads)
[03:50] <Alives> going from 17.10 to 18.04, why do i need -d on do-release-upgrade which is for a devel release?
[03:59] <Bashing-om> Alives: The updater retains the development designation until the .1 release .
[04:00] <Alives> Bashing-om: interesting... curious why that is?  is the .1 release happening soon to fix any during launch bugs?
[04:00] <Alives> if i migrate to -d is it the release or a devel nightly from prior to today's release?
[04:03] <eNkrypt_> Is anyone else having issues with upgrading? Lsb_release shows 17.10 as latest. Looks like meta hasn't been updated yet? http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release
[04:05] <noisyb> 'ello, i'm trying to upgrade to 18.04 and three different approaches i've taken seem to hang my xps 15: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (doesn't find upgrade), sudo do-release-upgrade -d (hangs on "reading cache"), and one other i can't find in my hist now which bought up the upgrade settings UI, any suggestions?
[04:05] <Bashing-om> Alives: Best of my memorance -- the 18.04 schedule calls for the .1 release in July (?) , and no when you upgrade your will have the release. updates will continue on this normal release .
[04:05] <Tegu> so, it kinda feels like a develpment version until .1, and only then it becomes a "stable" version?
[04:05] <Alives> ya strange to me too
[04:06] <noisyb> i'm on 17.10
[04:06] <Alives> same
[04:06] <guiverc> the 18.04.1 release date is expected july 26 according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule Alives
[04:06] <eNkrypt_> I think the reason you are having issues upgrading is similar to my issue. Check the meta http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release
[04:06] <eNkrypt_> May take a few days for them to add 18.04 to that.
[04:06] <Alives> interesting
[04:07] <Alives> curious what do-release-upgrade is checking
[04:07] <Tegu> was this .1 upgrade only a thing with LTS releases?
[04:07] <noisyb> sudo do-release-upgrade -d seems to find bionic beaver though
[04:07] <Markdown1_> Tegu no
[04:07] <noisyb> but it hangs
[04:07] <eNkrypt_> Pretty sure it checks the meta release
[04:07] <Tegu> Markdown1_: oki
[04:07] <eNkrypt_> Mine does not find bionic beaver
[04:08] <eNkrypt_> This has happened before and I just had to wait a few days
[04:08] <noisyb> ok!
[04:08] <Markdown1_> but LTS releases are supported longer so more version number is normal.
[04:08] <noisyb> i was keen because on my xps 15 17.10 hangs on shutdown
[04:08] <eNkrypt_> Weird. You might be having a separate issue
[04:08] <Alives> eNkrypt_: ya i think youre right... stracing do-release upgrade shows it hitting that ip
[04:08] <noisyb> i heard this is a problem with the nvidia drivers, but the nvidia driver tool, hangs
[04:08] <noisyb> lol
[04:08] <guiverc> Tegu, 17.10.1 existed (for iso purposes); but the .1/.2/.. usually only applies to LTS releases
[04:09] <Markdown1_> noisyb maybe do a fresh install? try Kubuntu or Ubuntu Mate or something.
[04:09] <eNkrypt_> I prefer KDE =)
[04:10] <eNkrypt_> Kubuntu is what I use. But it's all really the same hehe
[04:10] <Alives> eNkrypt_: so yeah its pulling that url to check... so maybe you're right
[04:10] <Alives> [pid 31058] sendto(3, "GET /meta-release HTTP/1.1\r\nAcce"..., 224, 0, NULL, 0) = 224
[04:11] <eNkrypt_> Yeah I was pretty sure that was the case. Sometimes it takes a while for it to get added. Probably some sysadmin is busy with their day job ha
[04:11] <noisyb> bless all y'all
[04:11] <Alives> eNkrypt_: with -d you get: [pid 32343] sendto(3, "GET /meta-release-development HT"..., 236, 0, NULL, 0) = 236
[04:11] <eNkrypt_> Good idea with strace ;)
[04:12] <Alives> the urls on that page look fine though
[04:12] <Alives> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com//meta-release-development
[04:12] <Alives> so i guess its fine
[04:12] <eNkrypt_> Right but 18.04 isn't listed
[04:12] <eNkrypt_> Curl cat 18
[04:12] <vivsoni> Error in GnuTLS initialization: Failed to acquire random data.
[04:12] <Alives> it is
[04:12] <eNkrypt_> Whoops curl it and grep for 18
[04:12] <Alives> its there
[04:12] <Alives> Version: 18.04
[04:12] <Alives> in -development
[04:13] <Alives> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com//meta-release-development
[04:13] <eNkrypt_> Hmm  hasn't propagated to me yet
[04:13] <Alives> odd
[04:13] <Guest46581> I am trying to follow https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-how-to-verify-ubuntu?_ga=2.203640147.234101688.1524653950-1154737902.1524210656#3
[04:13] <Guest46581> but getting error
[04:13] <Alives> lol no fuckin way
[04:13] <Alives> look at this shit
[04:13] <Guest46581> gpg: keyserver receive failed: No keyserver available
[04:13] <Alives> Dist: artful
[04:13] <Alives> Name: Artful Aardvark
[04:13] <Alives> Version: 17.10
[04:13] <Alives> Date: Thu, 19 October 2017 17:10:00 UTC
[04:13] <eNkrypt_> Haha nvm it is in Dev for me
[04:14] <SlidingHorn> Alives: flood bot got you...use a pastebin for multiple lines :)
[04:14] <Markdown1_> vivsoni seems like a problem with your local/regional repository, wait for few hours, it will probably be fixed.
[04:14] <noisyb> yeah im trying with -d and it hangs on reading cache
[04:14] <vivsoni> Markdown1_: automatically
[04:14] <Alives> SlidingHorn: ya i know
[04:15] <Alives> but
[04:15] <Alives> my point is
[04:15] <Alives> look at the date/timestamp of the release
[04:15] <Alives> artful, 17.10... Date: Thu, 19 October 2017 17:10:00 UTC
[04:15] <guiverc> (i thought it was language Alives - watch many lines + language)
[04:15] <Alives> bionic, 18.04, Date: Thu, 26 April 2018 18:04:00 UTC
[04:15] <Alives> shoulda known
[04:15] <Alives> so they just delay until the time matches
[04:15] <Alives> thats cool
[04:16] <Markdown1_> vivsoni yes probably, its your country/region's server that may have issues now due to excess server load, wait for a few hours and try again, otherwise you can ask here again.
[04:16] <vivsoni> Markdown1_: ok
[04:16] <Alives> anyway
[04:16] <SlidingHorn> Alives: (also, try not to use enter as punctuation - not to come down on you with all the rules @ once, haha)
[04:16] <Alives> time to dd sda and try this out
[04:16] <guiverc> Alives, no they don't - I watched the builds & can guess the timestamp was just a filled field... - i think it's cute anyway
[04:16] <Alives> SlidingHorn: ya i know.. im just used to it sorry
[04:16] <eNkrypt_> Bahahahahahha
[04:16] <Guest46581> HELP ?
[04:16] <Alives> guiverc: ah damn oh well :)
[04:17] <SlidingHorn> !ask | Guest46581 (also, change your nick to something more unique so we can better help you )
[04:17] <Guest46581> I did ask above ^
[04:17] <Guest46581> I am trying to follow https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-how-to-verify-ubuntu?_ga=2.203640147.234101688.1524653950-1154737902.1524210656#3
[04:17] <Guest46581> but getting error
[04:17] <Guest46581> gpg: keyserver receive failed: No keyserver available
[04:19] <eNkrypt_> Explain why you are following that and what your Ultimate goal is guest
[04:20] <eNkrypt_> Perhaps we can help if we know what you are trying to do
[04:20] <Guest46581> I want to verify torrent download
[04:20] <guiverc> Guest46581, part of difficulty answering you is your name (many many guest as logged in - why you were requested to change nickname). what OS are you running currently?
[04:20] <Guest46581> of 18.04
[04:21] <eNkrypt_> Are you just trying to get a checksum of a file?
[04:21] <jturek> Congratulations on 18.04!
[04:21] <Guest46581> yes
[04:21] <Guest46581> I don't know how verification works, so tried the tutorial
[04:22] <eNkrypt_> Why not just do a sha256  checksum?
[04:23] <Guest46581> I don't know that, can you explain /
[04:23] <guiverc> if you have download.iso; you can get its sha256 sum with `sha256sum download.iso` which you can compare to the sha256 list you downloaded - less automatic but pretty easy
[04:23] <Guest46581> ok, trying
[04:23] <Tegu> well, checksum is one thing but it does not check authenticity (which gpg signature would do)
[04:23] <SlidingHorn> Guest46581: The keyserver might just be down or overloaded.  The keys are also available at https://pgp.mit.edu   try using that instead of hks://keyserver.ubuntu.com
[04:24] <Guest46581> ok, thanks
[04:24] <eNkrypt_> This is true. But he said all he needed was a checksum.
[04:24] <guiverc> :) tegu - Guest46581 read SlidingHorn & tegu's responses too please
[04:24] <SlidingHorn> eNkrypt_: he's gotten that far through the tutorial already...might as well let him finish it ;)
[04:25] <eNkrypt_> Haha I agree. Learning is good!
[04:25] <Tegu> eNkrypt_: he said he wanted to verify ubuntu and you asked about checksums
[04:25] <Tegu> :)
[04:25] <eNkrypt_> I asked if all he needed was checksum and he said yes. Perhaps he doesn't know what he needs ;)
[04:25] <Guest46581> SlidingHorn, got this : -         gpg: keyserver receive failed: General error
[04:26] <Tegu> yup, it's hard to say if you don't know the difference. and it's fine because it can be learned
[04:26] <eNkrypt_> This is the best place to learn =)
[04:27] <enkrypr> Whoops ha
[04:27] <enkrypr> Weird my nick must already be in use =(
[04:28] <Guest46581> how to change nick ?
[04:28] <enkrypr> Any who. Thanks guys. I will await for meta release
[04:28] <enkrypr> Use /nick
[04:28] <enkrypr> *yay*
[04:29] <enkrypr> Will we get banned here for ehugs? I know the bsd code of conduct changed and people are getting banned =P
[04:29] <shv> ok, so I wanted to verify 18.04 torrent download
[04:29] <shv> I am trying to follow https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-how-to-verify-ubuntu?_ga=2.203640147.234101688.1524653950-1154737902.1524210656#3
[04:29] <shv> but doesn't work
[04:30] <shv> gpg: keyserver receive failed: No keyserver available
[04:30] <SlidingHorn> shv: use the same address I gave you, except replace https:// with hkps://
[04:30] <shv> ok
[04:31] <shv> smae error
[04:31] <shv> same*
[04:31] <shv> gpg: keyserver receive failed: General error
[04:32] <shv> this is the command I typed:  gpg --keyserver hkps://pgp.mit.edu/ --recv-keys 0x46181433FBB75451 0xD94AA3F0EFE21092
[04:32] <SlidingHorn> shv: can you please post the full command and output in a pastebin?
[04:32] <parclytaxel> Hello?
[04:32] <shv> ok
[04:32] <frew> Can anyone give tips on fixing an ubuntu boot setup to correctly prompt for a password to decrypt an encrypted disk?
[04:32] <parclytaxel> I'm not sure
[04:33] <parclytaxel> 18.04 has not landed for me yet?
[04:33] <SlidingHorn> shv: try just using the last 8 characters of each of those keys
[04:33] <parclytaxel> I'm in Singapore
[04:33] <F^3> Hey hey.
[04:33] <frew> I have everything installed, and even after chrooting and running `update-initramfs -u -k all` it still fails to even prompt
[04:33] <F^3> How can I set the DPI scaling on my 4k monitor without effecting my other two displays?
[04:34] <F^3> When adjusting the settings through displays it will scale all 3 screens
[04:34] <parclytaxel> Hello again?
[04:34] <shv> same error again
[04:34] <SlidingHorn> parclytaxel: It just came up that some of the front-ends for the cdimages pages are out of space...give it a little bit and try again (like 30 minutes
[04:34] <parclytaxel> Well, I just did the first of my four final exams for this semester at NUS
[04:34] <parclytaxel> Lunch to follow
[04:35] <SlidingHorn> F^3: which video drivers are you using?
[04:35] <SlidingHorn> shv: I'm searching for what to do next...
[04:36] <F^3> SlidingHorn, The default drivers from 18.04. I tried the amdgpu-pro drivers, but that resulted in a black screen on 17.10 a few days back.
[04:36] <shv> ok
[04:36] <AmR|EiSa> How To be updated in ubuntu I like use last ver like gcc and programing tools ?
[04:37] <SlidingHorn> shv: paste this into your terminal    gpg --keyserver hkps://pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 0xFBB75451 0xEFE21092
[04:38] <shv> SlidingHorn: gpg: keyserver receive failed: General error
[04:39] <SlidingHorn> F^3: I think you can just edit an xorg.conf file (/etc/X11/xorg.conf) to explicitly set a DPI option for that specific display
[04:40] <shv> SlidingHorn: here's the paste https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/79zBfWNy6v/
[04:43] <SlidingHorn> shv: alright, we're just going to try manually downloading and importing them...just a sec and I'll give you a pastebin of what to do...
[04:43] <shv> ok
[04:46] <SlidingHorn> shv: https://pste.ubuntu.com/p/CrGx4cxm6y
[04:46] <SlidingHorn> paste**
[04:46] <SlidingHorn> not pste
[04:46] <shv> ok
[04:47] <shv> error
[04:47] <shv> gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. gpg: Total number processed: 0
[04:49] <shv> SlidingHorn: here's the paste https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Ggq9mZcjYF/
[04:52] <SlidingHorn> hmm...nothing's being transferred from the keyservers for some reason.
[04:55] <segersjerry> AmR|EiSa, ubuntu has long term support versions that get security updates for I think 2 years. If you want to be one step behind, use 16.04.
[04:55] <shv> SlidingHorn: so now ?
[04:56] <SlidingHorn> shv: I'm not sure what to do from here
[04:56] <shv> ok
[04:57] <shv> lotuspsychje: can you help with this ?  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/79zBfWNy6v/
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> shv: tell us what you did please?
[04:58] <shv> https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-how-to-verify-ubuntu?_ga=2.203640147.234101688.1524653950-1154737902.1524210656#3
[04:58] <shv> I am trying to verify 18.04 torrent download
[04:58] <shv> with this tutorial
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> !md5 | shv
[04:59] <shv> but getting errors
[05:03] <shv> ok, done checking md5
[05:03] <shv> thanks
[05:03] <F^3> SlidingHorn, Sorry for the delay. I had to take a quick call. I don't have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:04] <shv> lotuspsychje: so i don't need to do sha256 thing ? from the tutorial ?
[05:06] <linurandy> hello to everyone, i've a doudbt about Ubuntu 18.04 LTS, and encrypt partitions during the installer, when i going to create a /home encrypt partitions fail, 'cause i don't have a ram's encrypted partition, but is the installer, how could i do that?
[05:07] <harris> so i installed ubuntu 18.04 on my windows 10 laptop..
[05:08] <harris> i had to run boot repair and it added a bunch of extra entries to the grub
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> F^3: xorg has moved to other dir now
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> !encrypt | linurandy
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> harris: are you singlebooting or dualbooting?
[05:10] <coolchris> in 18.04 how can i blank the screen without having it shut off?
[05:11] <coolchris> i need the screen on cause its my speakers
[05:11] <harris> lotuspsychje, dual
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | harris start here
[05:11] <F^3> lotuspsychje, Looks like gnome may be overriding xorg settings for dpi scaling according to the arch wiki
[05:13] <harris> lotuspsychje, i have it working... its just that boot repair added a bunch of exta windows entries
[05:24] <linurandy> sorry that i need is during the instalation that let me encrypt whatever i want.
[05:24] <linurandy> i wnt just encrypt /home, swap and other disk that i've
[05:27] <fxnoob> !isitoutyet
[05:27] <fxnoob> great
[05:36] <fragtastic> Not sure if anyone else is having this problem, I've looked around and haven't seen anything. If I use the scroll wheel to scroll down, or up, in a terminal while already at the edge it'll very quickly make the sound and then crash after continually scrolling for a short period
[05:37] <SlidingHorn> fragtastic: not something I've come across - which flavor & version of ubuntu are you using, and which terminal?
[05:37] <fragtastic> By crash I mean the audio hardware/software will stop working until a reboot
[05:38] <wabznasm> Just checking on moving /home from a dying HD to a new one. Can it be done whilst /home is mounted using rsync, or is it best to boot from live USB?
[05:38] <fragtastic> Linux version 4.13.0-39-generic (buildd@lgw01-amd64-038) (gcc version 7.2.0 (Ubuntu 7.2.0-8ubuntu3.2)) #44-Ubuntu SMP Thu Apr 5 14:25:01 UTC 2018
[05:39] <fragtastic> SlidingHorn, Happened in both 17.04 & 17.10, this happens in lxterminal, whatever the default for ubuntu 17.04/17.10 is, and tilix
[05:40] <fragtastic> The terminal bell sounds happen VERY quickly together like a drum roll and then audio just stops
[05:40] <fragtastic> I'm scrolling using my trackpad BTW
[05:41] <fragtastic> Happens while using vim, man, and other things
[05:42] <fragtastic> looking at the end of dmsg doesn't show any errors there
[05:47] <SlidingHorn> how about your X logs?  /var/log/Xorg.*.log  or /var/log/syslog ?
[05:50] <luna_> 18.04 är ute  nu
[05:50] <luna_> 18.04 is out now
[05:50] <wabznasm> luna_: yes
[05:50] <wabznasm> !isitout | luna
[05:50] <USERNAME00> Domo goto bionic beaver
[05:52] <ZetFury> I'm getting "no new release found." when I do do-release-upgrade (trying to upgrade to 18 lts), currently on 17.10 and release-upgrades set to normal
[05:52] <ZetFury> anyone have same issue?
[05:52] <Markdown1_> ZetFury wait a few hours.
[05:52] <USERNAME00> If you change you setting to latest LTS releases and then close it should scan and find
[05:53] <ZetFury> tried that, didn't help
[05:53] <ZetFury> but I guess I'll wait til later today and try again
[05:53] <wabznasm> ZetFury: you could manually check your source to see if it's replicated yet
[05:54] <ZetFury> how do I do that?
[05:55] <wabznasm> ZetFury: Just navigate to whatever URL shows in /etc/apt/sources.list and drill down, eg: http://th.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/dists/
[05:55] <USERNAME00> ZetFury,  https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-upgrading-ubuntu-desktop#0
[05:59] <ZetFury> wabznasm, bionic is available there
[05:59] <wabznasm> ZetFury: so waiting for later today may not fix the issue. Maybe your approach isn't quite right
[06:01] <kllbll> hi there everyone
[06:02] <asamkhya> will the do-release-upgrade from 16.04 LTS to 18.04 work only after the point release in July?
[06:03] <asamkhya> kllbll: hi
[06:03] <kllbll> I am having a hard time executing the command "mkdir -p {0..9}" through bash "#!/bin/bash".
[06:03] <kllbll> it makes folder {0..9} only
[06:04] <kllbll> instead of 0 through 9
[06:04] <wabznasm> kllbll: what do you expect it to do?
[06:04] <kllbll> to make folders 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9
[06:04] <kllbll> not {0..9}
[06:05] <Torr> maybe use csh instead of bash?
[06:05] <EriC^^> kllbll: are you quoting it or something?
[06:06] <kllbll> Torr: ok, but why is bash doing thing?
[06:06] <kllbll> EriC^^: no man, just making the assertion that it is a command
[06:06] <EriC^^> what?
[06:06] <Torr> oh nevermind, I tried it in bash and it works for me
[06:06] <wabznasm> kllbll: Fine here - paste your script in a pastebin
[06:06] <kllbll> Torr: really?
[06:07] <kllbll> wabznasm: you sure???
[06:07] <kllbll> ok
[06:07] <kllbll> thanks guys
[06:07] <wabznasm> !paste | kllbll
[06:07] <Torr> yep
[06:07] <kllbll> God Damn!
[06:07] <kllbll> mayeb doing something wrong
[06:07] <kllbll> thanks anyways
[06:07] <Torr> did you put #!/bin/bash at the head of your scipt?
[06:07] <kllbll> Torr: sure!
[06:08] <wabznasm> kllbll: paste it so we can see it...
[06:08] <Torr> hrm, lemme try it in a script
[06:08] <wabznasm> Torr: already did - fine
[06:08] <pavlos> how do you execute the script?
[06:08] <EriC^^> kllbll: what do you mean by 'just making the assertion blabla'?
[06:08] <DeusExMaximum> Hey, I'm wondering if I can play DVDs on my laptop using ubuntu.
[06:08] <wabznasm> !dvd | DeusExMaximum
[06:08] <EriC^^> DeusExMaximum: sure
[06:08] <Torr> hep, it works fo rme
[06:08] <Torr> yep
[06:08] <NoCode> New Ubuntu out?!
[06:08] <wabznasm> !isitout | NoCode
[06:08] <DeusExMaximum> I just put it in and nothing's happening. I should probably get out of i3 and into my Gnome desktop...
[06:09] <DeusExMaximum> Right?
[06:09] <kllbll> http://pasted.co/d35b3a67
[06:09] <kllbll> EriC^^: :)
[06:09] <DeusExMaximum> Let me actually get out of here first and into Gnome...
[06:09] <kllbll> EriC^^: I meant I am not quoting bro!
[06:09] <wabznasm> kllbll: do you know what -p does with mkdir?
[06:09] <kllbll> wabznasm: it makes sure the parents are ok I guess
[06:10] <kllbll> parent folders
[06:10] <asamkhya> lol
[06:10] <kllbll> asamkhya: ?
[06:10] <EriC^^> kllbll: heh
[06:10] <wabznasm> kllbll: so all that's needed in that script is mkdir -p x/{0..9}/{0..9} - tested here and works fine
[06:10] <kllbll> EriC^^: what you hehing about there?
[06:10] <asamkhya> Your phrasing was freudian
[06:11] <kllbll> LOL
[06:11] <kllbll> I like freud as long as he is about sex!!!!
[06:11] <wabznasm> kllbll: "parents are fine" - yes, it creates all dirs if they don't exist
[06:12] <kllbll> gotta fucking go
[06:12] <kllbll> see you nice guys around
[06:12] <Randolf> ...to the ##philosophy channel...
[06:12] <Torr> bye kllbll
[06:13] <pavlos> how do I resize the icons when I click on apps? they appear bigger than those on the launcher?
[06:20] <Pitel> What's the difference between normal "server" and "live-server"?
[06:21] <wabznasm> Pitel: in what context?
[06:22] <Pitel> The iso image.
[06:23] <DeusExMaximum> Hey guys, so I'm in Gnome now trying to get the dvd to work and I saw the DVD in Videos so I clicked on it and it needed me to install software to play videos, so I did. Now I can see all my other videos. The problem is that whenever I click on the dvd it says "an error occurred".
[06:23] <DeusExMaximum> It isn't letting me play it :(
[06:23] <ducasse> Pitel: live-server uses the new subiquity installer, server uses d-i
[06:24] <DeusExMaximum> https://imgur.com/a/BhtM0B0
[06:24] <wabznasm> Pitel: the live server "will enable simpler installation in the common cases" https://askubuntu.com/questions/864742/ubuntu-server-live-usb with a link for more
[06:25] <wabznasm> DeusExMaximum: did you follow the instructions posted earlier?
[06:25] <DeusExMaximum> Oh... I didn't see any instructions...
[06:25] <wabznasm> !dvd | DeusExMaximum
[06:25] <DeusExMaximum> Ah!
[06:26] <meonkeys> aww, borked my ubuntu 16.04 laptop trying to upgrade to 18.04. Anyone have tips on how I might fix apt / dpkg? https://gist.github.com/meonkeys/838fb540e71d1e0920ab92055bd42364
[06:28] <wabznasm> meonkeys: my approach to the last failed upgrade (12.04 to 14.04 IIRC) was to force install individual broken packages until something worked that allowed everything else to install. Ugly and potentially dodgy.
[06:29] <meonkeys> wabznasm: well, I'm game for that... I'd love to rescue this thing if possible. But where to start? find and force install a libgnutls30 >= 3.5.6 .deb file?
[06:30] <wabznasm> meonkeys: python=apt was broken but had no dependencies. I would start of that BUT it's not my computer. Your risk
[06:30] <wabznasm> meonkeys: python3-apt
[06:30] <DeusExMaximum> wabnazm: HOLY SNAP IT'S WORKING
[06:30] <DeusExMaximum> THANK YOU
[06:30] <meonkeys> wabznasm: I'll give it a shot, thanks. Nothing to lose, I'll just reinstall 18.04 if I can't fix it.
[06:30] <DeusExMaximum> I'M WATCHING SPIDERMAAAAAAN
[06:30] <GatoLoko> DeusExMaximum: do not write in all caps, it is against the rules. Next time you will be expelled.
[06:30] <wabznasm> DeusExMaximum: following instructions can often have that side effect
[06:30] <ducasse> meonkeys: from reading that list, you are probably better off just doing a reinstall
[06:31] <wabznasm> meonkeys: since my failed upgrade I've always clean installed. More faffy but safer in the long run I find
[06:31] <meonkeys> ok, thanks ducasse and wabznasm. I'll try a short walk down the painful path first and see what shakes out. :)
[06:31] <wabznasm> meonkeys: good luck
[06:33] <ducasse> meonkeys: just so you know, you can often force deinstall of packages with dpkg when apt won't remove them
[06:33] <meonkeys> ducasse: ah, I did not... ok
[06:33] <BlueShark> !isitoutyet
[06:50] <meonkeys> ugh, I give up. Gonna fresh install 18.04 and copy over my home dir.
[06:52] <Pitel> Can I somehow force update from 17.10 to 18.04? Update Manager is not offering it at the moment.
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> !upgrade | Pitel
[06:54] <infectiious> anyone know if it should be possible to upgrade ubuntu server to 18.04 using do-release-upgrade as of yet?
[06:54] <SagelessFox> hello, I am installing ubuntu 18.04 however, it's on a SSD and the memory is quite large, so I dont want to set up a swap. Encryption automatically sets up a swap for me. so if I want encryption without swap, what do I do?
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> infectiious: whats your current server version?
[06:54] <infectiious> 16.04 LTS
[06:54] <infectiious> and 17.10
[06:54] <infectiious> multiple systems
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> infectiious: we dont reccomend lts to lts upgrade yet till 18.04.1 in june
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> !partitioning | SagelessFox
[06:55] <infectiious> lotuspsychje: ok thanks, I will rebuild systems with 18.04 as base.
[06:56] <ducasse> Pitel: wait for your mirror to update
[06:57] <SagelessFox> ubottu my problem is not about partitioning. its about encrypt a partition without setting up a swap in the installation program
[06:58] <SagelessFox> u b o t t u is a bot? duh impressive
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> !encrypt | SagelessFox can this help?
[07:01] <SagelessFox> entire disk encryption since 18.04? as far as I know dir encrption is removed in 18.04. so I am setting up an entire disk encruption :/  lotuspsychje
[07:01] <SagelessFox> encyption*
[07:01] <SagelessFox> duh
[07:01] <SagelessFox> cryption
[07:02] <SagelessFox> eww
[07:02] <SagelessFox> gave up
[07:03] <ducasse> SagelessFox: it will just set up a swapfile, not a partition, so should be easy to remove
[07:05] <SagelessFox> ducasse and how can I remove it? :/
[07:06] <ducasse> SagelessFox: just comment it out of /etc/fstab and /etc/crypttab, then turn off swap and delete the file
[07:07] <NaTeK> Ubuntu 18.04 Screenshots?
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | NaTeK
[07:08] <ducasse> NaTeK: do that in #ubuntu-release-party or #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:09] <SagelessFox> "[15:06] <ducasse> SagelessFox: just comment it out of /etc/fstab and /etc/crypttab, then turn off swap and delete the file" hmm how am I supposed to turn off swap plz? ducasse
[07:10] <ducasse> SagelessFox: either 'swapoff /path/to/swapfile' or just reboot
[07:11] <SagelessFox> thanks ducasse
[07:15] <zetheroo> reports of people doing in-place upgrades from 16.04 to 18.04?
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: we reccomend lts to lts upgrades in june at 18.04.1
[07:16] <zetheroo>  lotuspsychje: Ok 👍
[07:16] <zetheroo> interested in people's attempts :)
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | zetheroo talk abouts
[07:16] <zetheroo> k
[07:17] <zetheroo> support question: can people still use Unity with 18.04, or is that no longer an option?
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: yes, unity package is installable from repos
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> !info ubuntu-unity-desktop bionic | zetheroo
[07:20] <dbugger> Hello everyone
[07:21] <dbugger> I tried to upgrade from 17.10, but for some reason nothing new comes up when I "sudo apt dist-upgrade". Why could this be?
[07:23] <ducasse> dbugger: your mirror might not be updated yet, just wait
[07:24] <dbugger> ducasse, oh, ok
[07:26] <mjayk> o/
[07:27] <zprd> happy release day
[07:28] <kubast2> Yo ,does nvidia-390 driver works in 18.04 beta2?
[07:28] <kubast2> At least it doesn't work for me with an gtx 940mx
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> kubast2: beta2 is changed to final now
[07:28] <kubast2> Gdm is restarting
[07:29] <kubast2> Can't access shell either shrugs
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> kubast2: did you update your system to final yet?
[07:29] <kubast2> Nope can't
[07:29] <kubast2> Would had to download iso
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> kubast2: try recoverymode or !nomodeset to get in your system
[07:31] <kubast2> F2 was it to show up gub
[07:31] <kubast2> Grub
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> kubast2: holding shift
[07:32] <zetheroo> lotuspsychje: ok thanks
[07:32] <gluon> should there be an opt-out checkbox for the data collection at install time? what happened to that?
[07:32] <gluon> shouldn't*
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> gluon: system options/privacy
[07:33] <gluon> lotuspsychje: thanks
[07:34] <HoloIRCUser> good morning peeps, if I've been running 18.04 beta apt-get dist-upgrade is all I need to do to ensure I'm running the final right?
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> gluon: wich flavor did you install and you did not see it @ setup?
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> !final | HoloIRCUser
[07:35] <HoloIRCUser> How do I make sure I stay on 18.04?
[07:36] <antgel> HoloIRCUser: You don't upgrade
[07:36] <geirha> the factoid should've said 18.04
[07:36] <geirha> instead of 18.10
[07:36] <HoloIRCUser> thanks, that makes sense
[07:37] <tomreyn> HoloIRCUser: upgrading is a special process, you will get a series of special prompt before it happens. you should, however, still install security patches, that's actually important.
[07:38] <HoloIRCUser> so on a server that's just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade on a regular basis?
[07:39] <tomreyn> HoloIRCUser: "apt-get dist-upgrade" even
[07:39] <conjo> hi all was wondering if someone could please tell me how to use ifdown. I assume use is "ifup/down + interface name from ifconfig output;in my case enp6s0".) please see img below
[07:39] <conjo> https://imgur.com/a/SJjfyCf
[07:39] <gogeta> HoloIRCUser, lol these guys will walk you off a cliff
[07:40] <tomreyn> gogeta: what makes you say so?
[07:41] <gogeta> HoloIRCUser, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_16.04_LTS_or_17.10
[07:41] <HoloIRCUser> gogeta: how do you mean?
[07:41] <gogeta> HoloIRCUser, thers a server huide on there
[07:41] <gogeta> guide
[07:41] <gogeta> HoloIRCUser, these kids are to used to there gui and totaly ignored you said server
[07:42] <natten> conjo: https://serverfault.com/questions/880950/network-issue-ifup-says-unknown-interface?answertab=votes#tab-top
[07:43] <tomreyn> gogeta: i'm not sure whom you are referring to, but i did not ignore the fact that HoloIRCUser is inquiring about a server.
[07:43] <natten> conjo: Or use "ip link set enp6s0 down"
[07:43] <gogeta> tomaw, thers no ui so no pop up will say thers a update lol
[07:44] <tomreyn> gogeta: right, in the case of a server the "special prompt" will be at login
[07:44] <tomreyn> next to motd
[07:45] <conjo> any way to change the name to eth0 ppl? just curious
[07:45] <conjo> thanks <natten>
[07:46] <natten> conjo: you can change the name by adding a rule to /etc/udev/rules.d/
[07:46] <natten> https://askubuntu.com/questions/767786/changing-network-interfaces-name-ubuntu-16-04?answertab=votes#tab-top
[07:46] <conjo> couldn't get it going when i tried "ifdown iface enp0s3 inet dhcp"
[07:46] <conjo> the later worked thougn
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> !rootirc | root__
[07:47] <dbugger> zprd, happy release day
[07:47] <tomreyn> HoloIRCUser: so, unless you modify your apt sources to point to unsupported / bad / incompatible (to your 18.04 release) sources, you can safely continue using "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" on your server.
[07:47] <root__> hallo
[07:48] <tomreyn> HoloIRCUser: and it will not trigger an upgrade to the next ubuntu release.
[07:48] <HoloIRCUser> gogeta: thanks!
[07:48] <mrton3b4ll> thanks sir!
[07:49] <kubast2> lotuspsychje: and just apt update && apt upgrade?
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> kubast2: yeah
[07:50] <kubast2> After starting NManager serviceservice
[07:55] <rajivmars> hello guys, how to install the required multimedia codecs to play music and videos in ubuntu 18.04?
[07:55] <mrton3b4ll> knpa ente?
[07:56] <ducasse> !restricted | rajivmars
[07:56] <rajivmars> ok
[07:56] <rajivmars> restricted-extras?
[07:56] <mrton3b4ll> thanks sir
[07:57] <rajivmars> thanks!
[07:57] <Skaface82> im trying to upgrade to 18, via sudo do-release-upgrade   and it says no new release found?
[07:58] <tomreyn> Skaface82: if you're currently on 16.04 and are trying to upgrade to 18.04, that's not supported, yet.
[07:58] <Blondie101010> Rockwood is trying to install a package and he's getting "mysql_upgrade: Got error: 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) while connecting to the MySQL server
[07:58] <Blondie101010> Upgrade process encountered error and will not continue.
[07:58] <Blondie101010> " while mysql server is running and functional, how can that be solved?
[07:58] <Skaface82> im on 17
[07:58] <Rockwood> after this 'nitin@cyberia:~$ sudo apt-get install giggle' mysql is stopping
[07:58] <Blondie101010> (sorry for the unexpected multi-line paste)
[07:59] <tomreyn> Skaface82: there's not "ubuntu 17", there is ubuntu 17.10 and there used to be ubuntu 17.04
[07:59] <Rockwood> tomreyn, hi
[07:59] <Skaface82> sorry 17.1 i should have said
[07:59] <ducasse> Skaface82: your mirror might not have it yet, just wait a bit
[07:59] <Rockwood> i am coming with another issue today
[07:59] <tomreyn> hi Rockwood
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> Skaface82: doublecheck your: lsb_release -a
[08:00] <mrton3b4ll> tomreyn: hay sir
[08:00] <Skaface82> ok no worries, so do-release-upgrade is the current way to upgrade once my mirror has it?
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> mrton3b4ll: can we help you with something?
[08:00] <Skaface82> yeah lsb_release reports 17.10
[08:00] <ducasse> Skaface82: yes
[08:00] <tomreyn> Skaface82: i would expect 17.10 to already support upgrades to 18.04 as discussed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_16.04_LTS_or_17.10
[08:01] <tomreyn> Skaface82: oh duscasse is right, it might be your mirror does not have it, yet.
[08:01] <Skaface82> well thats what i assumed.. I am using the australian mirror though so maybe it hasnt updated yet.. i'll try changing to a different mirror... thanks
[08:03] <tomreyn> Skaface82: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors provides an overview. click on the very miurror to see release specific details.
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> sajoupa: ^
[08:03] <Skaface82> oh thank you tomreyn
[08:04] <tomreyn> you're welcome :)
[08:04] <sajoupa> lotuspsychje: thanks - catching up with backscroll
[08:04] <ducasse> Skaface82: in all honesty, better to let your mirror get it than everyone hammering the archive servers at once, though
[08:05] <Skaface82> yeah i understand that, ill switch to aarnet anyway, they have always been fastest for me
[08:07] <Skaface82> interesting... its still reporting that there are no newer versions available, but I know that aarnet has it
[08:07] <Rockwood> tomreyn,
[08:07] <Rockwood> can you help me
[08:07] <Rockwood> please
[08:08] <tomreyn> Blondie101010 / Rockwood: is the mysql upgrade issue still relevant to you? if so, which ubuntu release is this ("lsb_release -ds")? which mysql server ("dpkg -l mysql-server\*")?
[08:08] <Skaface82> i might just change sources.list and update as I have previously in debian
[08:09] <Rockwood> 16.04.4 LTS
[08:09] <GatoLoko> Rockwood: do not write in all caps, it is against the rules. Next time you will be expelled.
[08:09] <ducasse> Skaface82: check that Prompt is set to 'normal' in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[08:09] <ducasse> GatoLoko: disable your bot, please
[08:10] <Skaface82> yes its set to normal
[08:10] <Rockwood> GatoLoko, do have confusion
[08:10] <GatoLoko> ups, perdon
[08:10] <GatoLoko> sorry
[08:10] <Rockwood> np
[08:10] <V-A> hey
[08:10] <V-A> fuck you
[08:10] <Blondie101010> GatoLoko is a bit paranoid
[08:11] <Metraf> Hi, sorry I'm not really used to Linux but I have a question
[08:12] <ducasse> Metraf: go ahead and ask
[08:12] <Skaface82> oh im using software in a 3rd party repository, if they havent updated their packages for bionic as well, maybe thats why the upgrade is not working
[08:12] <oomni_> I installed ubuntu18.04-desktop-x64
[08:12] <oomni_> I  have some issue on GDM!
[08:12] <oomni_> something is wrong with characters on GDM!
[08:13] <oomni_> user name is blank
[08:13] <oomni_> white circles won't show during enter password
[08:13] <oomni_> and buttons text is nonsense!
[08:13] <Silmarilion> !isitout
[08:13] <Metraf> I just received a new M.2 SSD and I wanted to copy my ubuntu budgie (yet installed on a partitioned HDD) to it, is it enough to copy the whole root file to an EXT4 partition of the SSD ?
[08:14] <oomni_> any has GDM problem?
[08:15] <Metraf> (knowing that I have 3other OSs installed on my HDD)
[08:15] <ducasse> Silmarilion: no, do-release-upgrades will just disable 3d-party repos
[08:15] <ducasse> Skaface82: ^^
[08:15] <ducasse> sorry, Silmarilion
[08:15] <Silmarilion> np
[08:16] <tomreyn> Metraf: you will need to copy the boot sector, and the file systems mounted at / and /boot (after partitioning)
[08:16] <Skaface82> hmm ok
[08:16] <tomreyn> Metraf: or just install grub to it using grub-install
[08:16] <Metraf> tomreyn but the bootsector is in /boot right ? so if I just copy / it's ok ?
[08:17] <tomreyn> Metraf: the boot sector is on the first bytes of the raw device, not in /boot
[08:17] <Metraf> tomreyn, I don't want to replace my HDD, just only to add a SSD, so there will still be grub right ?
[08:18] <StuckAsF> Hi
[08:18] <tomreyn> Metraf: oh you just wnt to *add* the ssd, then i misunderstood you indeed (le me read what you wrote again)
[08:19] <oomni_> HI :)
[08:19] <StuckAsF> I'm upgrading from Ubuntu 16.04.4 MATE to 18.04 and its stuck at Setting up php-common
[08:19] <StuckAsF> Any idea what to do?
[08:20] <Blondie101010> Metraf, what do you call "the whole root file"?
[08:20] <tomreyn> Metraf: so, you wrote you want to "copy my ubuntu budgie (yet installed on a partitioned HDD) to [the SSD]". which device do you want to boot from in the future?
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> StuckAsF: we dont reccomend upgrading lts to lts yet, wait till june on 18.04.1
[08:20] <Rockwood> tomreyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TKTPVDPcTs/
[08:21] <Rockwood> Blondie101010, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TKTPVDPcTs/
[08:21] <Metraf> Blondie101010 well the / of this linux
[08:21] <Metraf> tomreyn I don't really care
[08:22] <Blondie101010> Metraf, do you mean the partition image or something else?
[08:22] <Metraf> It's easier if the HDD boots it but actually it does more noise, and it's a laptop so maybe the SSD is better tomreyn
[08:23] <Metraf> Oh yeah Blondie101010 ! that's right, theres a backup and restore partition image tool in gdisk
[08:23] <Metraf> Could be useful
[08:23] <tomreyn> Metraf: yes, probably. you can just install grub to it, it's safe anyways (as long as you provide the correct device to install to, check "lsblk")
[08:23] <Rockwood> tomreyn, have seen my logs ?
[08:23] <Rockwood> tomreyn, have you seen my logs ?
[08:24] <tomreyn> Rockwood: i saw your dpkg -l output, did you post logs as well?
[08:24] <SagelessFox> question: is the default ubuntu installation partitioner 4k alligned?
[08:24] <Blondie101010> Metraf, I'd simply make a partition on the new SSD of the exact same size as the original one and `dd` it
[08:24] <Rockwood> just that output lol
[08:25] <Metraf> dd ? Blondie101010 ?
[08:25] <Metraf> Ok so grub-install will ask me to chose the partition tomreyn ?
[08:25] <ducasse> SagelessFox: yes, all partitioning tools are
[08:25] <SagelessFox> ty for the info
[08:25] <Rockwood> tomreyn, i  just  posted dpkg -l output
[08:25] <Rockwood> nohting else
[08:25] <Rockwood> nothing
[08:26] <tomreyn> Metraf: no, you provide the storage device (not partition) to install grub to as an argument to the grub-install command
[08:26] <tomreyn> Rockwood: okay, so there's this matching bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-5.7/+bug/1605948
[08:27] <tomreyn> Rockwood: actually that's a duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-5.7/+bug/1592669
[08:27] <Metraf> Ok thanks tomreyn
[08:27] <Metraf> And then a simple Copy paste of the root directory to an ext4 partition tomreyn ?
[08:28] <tomreyn> Rockwood: be sure to backup your mysql data before you try to recover
[08:28] <Rockwood> whole db backup ?
[08:30] <tomreyn> Rockwood: yes, but it depends on what you'll be doing. if you'll purge mysql as some of these posts on the bug report suggest you may loose all of /var/lib/mysql (i.e. all your databases), thus my recommendation
[08:30] <Blondie101010> Metraf, no, don't do a recursive copy of the partition, that will cause loads of issues
[08:32] <Rockwood> tomreyn, okay doing backup
[08:32] <tomreyn> Rockwood: can you show the output of "tail -n200 /var/log/apt/term.log" and "tail -n100 /var/log/apt/history.log" as well? i'm trying to understand which mysql version you're trying to upgrade from (unless you already know?)
[08:32] <Metraf> Blondie101010 what should I do then ?
[08:35] <Blondie101010> Metraf, like I said earlier, partition your SSD with the root partition the same size as the one you have on the HDD, then `dd` the partition from one disk to the other
[08:35] <Blondie101010> Metraf, once that is done, in a few hours possibly, you will need to tell grub where to boot from
[08:36] <Metraf> Yeah but I didn't understand d
[08:36] <Metraf> dd
[08:36] <Metraf> How so ?
[08:36] <Blondie101010> Metraf, `dd if=/dev/sda2 of=/dev/sdb2 bs=8M` where sda2 would be the source partition and sdb2 the destination
[08:37] <Metraf> Thanks
[08:37] <Blondie101010> np
[08:37] <tomreyn> maybe Metraf would have an easier time doing it using gnome-disks
[08:37] <Rockwood> tomreyn, taken
[08:37] <Metraf> But how so for telling grub where to boot from ? isn't grub-update enough ?
[08:37] <Blondie101010> Metraf, just be careful to put the right device!
[08:37] <tomreyn> Rockwood: good. hopefully you create mysql and system backups ona  regular basis anyways!
[08:38] <Blondie101010> Metacity,  well grub does use a bit of magic but that remains to be seen
[08:38] <Rockwood> tomreyn, first time taken backup lol
[08:38] <tomreyn> Rockwood: so apparently you dont mind loosing your data
[08:39] <Metraf> Haha
[08:39] <Rockwood> tomreyn, now ?
[08:40] <tomreyn> Rockwood: i'd like to see the outputs of the commands i posted above.
[08:43] <Rockwood> tomreyn, http://dpaste.com/3NBZP05
[08:43] <Rockwood> tomreyn, http://dpaste.com/3NBZP05 "tail -n200 /var/log/apt/term.log"
[08:45] <Rockwood> tomreyn, http://dpaste.com/21N9V03   history.log
[08:45] <mjoseph> Does anyone know how to get netplan working with SR-IOV VFs?  it seems to delete all existing VFs when netplan apply is run
 maybe Metraf would have an easier time doing it using gnome-disks <- how so ?
[08:46] <tomreyn> okay so the upgrade is mysql-server-core-5.7 version 5.7.21-0ubuntu0.16.04.1 to 5.7.22-0ubuntu0.16.04.1 (whereas the bug report states it was fixed version 5.7.21-1ubuntu1
[08:47] <Blondie101010> Metraf, it might be easier to avoid stupid mistakes like choosing the wrong device file
[08:47] <Metraf> Oh don't worry I'll be careful haha
[08:47] <tomreyn> Metraf: gnome-disks is a graphical frontend, it may just be easier to do it there, depending on your preferences.
[08:48] <Blondie101010> Metraf, then get going already :P
[08:48] <velizar> Running `do-release-upgrade -c` tells me that 17.10 is the latest available version.
[08:48] <Metraf> Haha, yeeey x)
[08:48] <velizar> Does this mean I need to wait more?
[08:48] <velizar> And is there a way to get 18.04 without waiting, on Linux subsystem for Windows?
[08:49] <Blondie101010> velizar, how about 20.04 while to be ahead of the development plans?
[08:49] <tomreyn> Rockwood: i suggest you try what https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-5.7/+bug/1592669/comments/22 suggests nevertheless
[08:49] <velizar> I mean Windows subsystem for Linux
[08:49] <ducasse> !ubuwin | velizar
[08:50] <velizar> In general, is it possible to change where do-release-upgrade points to?
[08:51] <ducasse> velizar: we don't support wsl here
[08:51] <velizar> ducasse: I'm not asking for wsl
[08:52] <velizar> I also have a Ubuntu running on my other machine, which is also getting upgraded and gets the same results
[08:52] <velizar> though it says "No new release found.", since it's already on 17.10
[08:54] <tomreyn> velizar: your apt mirrors may not have 18.04 availbale, yet. it's pretty young, give it another day or two.
[08:54] <Skaface82> im having that issue with an installed 17.10 system.. ive just manually updated packages.list, am about to reboot actually
[08:54] <Ool> To jump with do-release-upgrade we need to wait 18.04.1
[08:54] <velizar> Ahh, then I need to find mirrors which have it?
[08:54] <Skaface82> it seems to have upgraded fine by manually editing sources.list even though do-release-upgrade reported that theres no new versions available
[08:54] <Ool> if you don't want to wait you can try with the -d (develop branch) option
[08:55] <velizar> Huh, "-d" says that 18.04 is available
[08:55] <velizar> Would that be the real 18.04, or the beta version?
[08:55] <ducasse> velizar: it will be the latest your mirror has
[08:56] <Skaface82> ok rebooting into 18, wish me luck
[08:57] <tomreyn> Skaface82: manually editing sources.list as a means of upgrading is not supported here, i would think. you should always use do-release-upgrade.
[08:58] <tomreyn> Rockwood: any luck?
[09:00] <Kon-> How much does location on the hard disk matter for a boot partition? Is 100 MB at the start of the disk enough space, or would it be better to make a 500 MB partition near the middle of the disk?
[09:00] <Skaface82> yay it worked
[09:00] <shv> should /home partition be "primary" or "logical" ? I am setting up dual boot with windows 10
[09:01] <shv> I saw different answers on google
[09:01] <Multbrelch> Kon-, it depends where you put home
[09:01] <Multbrelch> is it a separate partition?
[09:01] <Rockwood> tomreyn, in reinstall the mysql ?
[09:01] <ducasse> shv: doesn't matter
[09:01] <blackflow> Kon-: 100MB is not enough for /boot
[09:01] <Kon-> Multbrelch, yes
[09:01] <shv> ok
[09:02] <Multbrelch> Kon-, sorry, I see now "boot partition"! Sorry, I muisunderstood
[09:02] <blackflow> Kon-: go with 500MB. My /boot on 17.10 currently is 284MB
[09:03] <Multbrelch> If you talk about "/" without /home and /media/<user>/somedrives then 50 GB are sufficient for /
[09:03] <blackflow> hmm... apparently there's 4 kernel versions in there... cleanup time...
[09:04] <Rockwood> tomreyn, i was chking my back data properly that why busy in it
[09:04] <Kon-> Okay, thanks guys. Every time I do a clean install, I spend the most time thinking of the best partition setup
[09:05] <Skaface82> Kon-: i used to do that, until i gave up and made 1 single partition the size of the hard drive :-)
[09:05] <tomreyn> Rockwood: oh that's fine, make sure your backup worked first of all.
[09:05] <Rockwood> so whats for me know
[09:06] <Rockwood> now*
[09:06] <tomreyn> Rockwood: still the same: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-5.7/+bug/1592669/comments/22
[09:06] <Metraf> I have troubles making partitions on my new SSD, I cant remove one or create and resize
[09:06] <blackflow> Kon-: nowadays on non-zfs systems I go with 20GB root and rest for /home. of course along with a 500MB /boot because I run LUKS'd root.
[09:06] <Rockwood> just backup done
[09:06] <Rockwood> nothing else
[09:06] <Metraf> Do you know why it is ?
[09:07] <Kon-> Skaface82, I would do that, but I'm not sure how many things still require swap space and not a simple swap file
[09:07] <Rockwood> now upgrade ?
[09:07] <Blondie101010> Metraf, what errors do you get?
[09:08] <Metraf> Blondie101010 theres none, just on gparted I con't click the option
[09:08] <Rockwood> tomreyn, should i upgrade mysql now ?
[09:09] <Kon-> blackflow, I might just roll with that, thanks
[09:09] <Metraf> it's the same on gdisk
[09:09] <Metraf> also
[09:10] <blackflow> Kon-: keeping /home separate allows you full reinstallation of the OS for whatever reason, without losing your data files.
[09:10] <tomreyn> Rockwood: i (still) suggest that you install the mysql-server package update using the process discussed on the post i linked to twice,
[09:11] <Blondie101010> Metraf, do you use GPT or MBR?
[09:11] <Metraf> I think MBR, but how do I know ?
[09:12] <user__> how can i install ncat? not netcat, i want the newer version from the nmap guys
[09:12] <sajoupa> Skaface82: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/3.186.1 was released 2 days ago, and may explain what you were seeing (actually, not seeing ;))
[09:12] <Blondie101010> Metraf, in gdisk you see the HDD's partition properly?
[09:12] <tomreyn> Rockwood: i can quote it here if it helps? " Edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.7.postinst and put a simple 'exit 0' at the top after '#!/bin/bash' ; Run 'apt-get -f install' "
[09:13] <Kon-> Metraf, if your BIOS has 16 colors and no mouse support, you have MBR
[09:13] <Metraf> Yup Blondie101010
[09:13] <Metraf> It has mouse support
[09:13] <boxmein> user__: it comes with nmap afaik
[09:13] <Rockwood> tomreyn, apt-get -f install run this
[09:13] <Rockwood> only
[09:13] <boxmein> user__: sudo apt install nmap, comes wit hthat
[09:13] <user__> boxmein: thanks
[09:13] <tomreyn> Rockwood: i do not understand what you mean by "apt-get -f install run this only"
[09:14] <Metraf> Kon- it has mouse support
[09:14] <nitocris> can anyone help  with isinga?
[09:14] <Blondie101010> Rockwood, did you edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.7.postinst?
[09:15] <Rockwood> no yet
[09:15] <Rockwood> but doing
[09:16] <nitocris> icinga
[09:17] <Rockwood> this path /var/lib/dpkg/info is empty
[09:18] <Rockwood> nothing like this
[09:18] <Rockwood> mysql-server-5.7.postinst
[09:19] <Rockwood> info is the last folder in chain
[09:19] <Skaface82> you know what would be a nice feature... when you drag a program to the right, it takes up the right half of the screen, drag an application to the left and it takes up the left half..... if only you could grab the middle point and adjust the width of both sides at once
[09:19] <Skaface82> like in android
[09:20] <stratour>  /join plone
[09:20] <stratour>  /join #plone
[09:20] <Blondie101010> stratour, are you kidding?
[09:21] <Rockwood> Blondie101010, my info folder is empty
[09:21] <tomreyn> Rockwood: are you sure that /var/lib/dpkg/info is empty? what is the output of "ls -1 /var/lib/dpkg/info | wc -l" ?
[09:22] <stratour> sorry wrong canal
[09:22] <Rockwood> nitin@cyberia:~$ ls -1 /var/lib/dpkg/info | wc -l
[09:22] <Rockwood> 10838
[09:22] <tomreyn> Rockwood: so it's not empty.
[09:22] <Blondie101010> :)
[09:22] <Rockwood> why not showing anything there
[09:22] <Rockwood> ?
[09:22] <Rockwood> hide ?
[09:22] <Rockwood> hidden by anything
[09:23] <tomreyn> Rockwood: how are you looking at it?
[09:23] <Rockwood> lol found it
[09:23] <Rockwood> late coming
[09:24] <Rockwood> i think its heavy that why slow
[09:24] <EriC^^> !ping
[09:25] <tomreyn> Rockwood: so does /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.7.postinst exist? ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.7.postinst
[09:25] <Rockwood> tomreyn, got it but permission issue
[09:26] <NaTeK> !google raspberry pi ubuntu
[09:26] <Skaface82> ok disregard my comment before, the midpoint does adjust! hah is that new?
[09:26] <tomreyn> Rockwood: use sudo then
[09:26] <Rockwood> wait i have to give it permission
[09:26] <Rockwood> i opened it in my gedit
[09:27] <tomreyn> Rockwood: you should *not* change the file system permissions (using chmod or file properties on your GUI)
[09:28] <Rockwood> chmod -R folder name hope its not make any problem to me
[09:28] <Rockwood> chmod -R 777 folder name hope its not make any problem to me
[09:28] <tomreyn> Rockwood: dont do this
[09:28] <Rockwood> then
[09:28] <NaTeK> !help
[09:28] <NaTeK> !commands
[09:28] <NaTeK> !info
[09:29] <tomreyn> NaTeK: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[09:29] <NaTeK> I just want to see what commands ubottu can use
[09:29] <uebera||> Hi. What is the equivalent of "apt-file list <package-name>" for displaying the contents of a snap package (e.g., "nextcloud") without having to install it first? (I'm using Ubuntu Xenial.)
[09:30] <NaTeK> http://ubottu.com/
[09:30] <tomreyn> NaTeK: right, please use the website
[09:31] <Blondie101010> so Rockwood, did you do the small change in the file?  did it give an error to save it?
[09:35] <SagelessFox> hmm whats the user name and password of the live installation session plz?
[09:35] <eddyready> Does anyone know whether entering Microsoft Exchange account information under the Online Accounts populates the calendar and message tray?
[09:35] <SagelessFox> I need to chrrot into the target system to chang something before booting it up
[09:36] <SagelessFox> chroot*
[09:37] <SagelessFox> oh I am in. usr: ubuntu passwd:*blank*
[09:42] <isokee> hi everyone, what's the best way to run a command before shutdown in ubuntu?
[09:42] <dreadkopp> hey guys. i have some virtual machines running ubuntu server 16.04 which run into a full disk. so i resized the disk images from 10 to 20 gb. then started the vms up again and ran 'resize2fs -p' on the root partition (/dev/vda1)
[09:42] <EriC^^> isokee: make a service file for it?
[09:43] <dreadkopp> that reports that it is already  resized to 20GB, however a 'df -h' still reports that the partition is only 9ish GB and heavily used ?
[09:43] <isokee> hi EriC^^, thanks for the reply. Ok, will try to look it up. thanks. :)
[09:43] <Eightynine> Hello. When installing Ubuntu I've noticed it was installing some packages and after system installation removing them. Why? And some packages were Python 2 and i386
[09:44] <EriC^^> Eightynine: some stuff it doesn't need so it removes them depending on your options plus other cleaning up
[09:45] <EriC^^> dreadkopp: what does sudo parted -ls show for the partition table
[09:46] <dreadkopp> EriC^^ https://hastebin.com/xopapabure.sql
[09:47] <Eightynine> By the way congratulations to Canonical with new release and successfully fixing anoying bug caused them to delay release.
[09:47] <EriC^^> dreadkopp: you need to remove the swap partition and extend the partition of vda1 then resize
[09:47] <dreadkopp> EriC^^ okay. resizing then again using resize2fs i guess ?
[09:47] <EriC^^> yes
[09:48] <Rockwood> tomreyn, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GtZ3Dn35fq/
[09:48] <Rockwood> sudo apt-get -f install
[09:48] <Rockwood> done this command
[09:50] <tomreyn> Rockwood: what does this report now? ls -ld /var/lib/dpkg/info
[09:50] <Rockwood> tomreyn, nitin@cyberia:~$ ls -ld /var/lib/dpkg/info
[09:50] <Rockwood> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 561152 Apr 27 15:16 /var/lib/dpkg/info
[09:51] <tomreyn> Rockwood: okay, so you did not run the chmod / chown commands? that's good, if you did not.
[09:52] <Blondie101010> apparently not
[09:52] <Rockwood> no run those command
[09:52] <Rockwood> not run
[09:52] <tomreyn> Rockwood: so run: sudo mysql_upgrade
[09:53] <Zajt> How do you check which modules are available/active? Like which files in /etc/apache2/sites-available that are active?
[09:54] <Rockwood> tomreyn, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8PrjFSzwJy/
[09:54] <eddyready> quit
[09:54] <tomreyn> Rockwood: sudo mysql_upgrade -p
[09:55] <Rockwood> yes
[09:55] <tomreyn> Rockwood: it will prompt for the mysql "root" users' password then (not the ubuntu 'root' users' password)
[09:56] <Rockwood> mysql password is root
[09:56] <Rockwood> so now ?
[09:56] <tomreyn> Rockwood: you type the password and have the command run.
[09:56] <Rockwood> like hows ?
[09:56] <Blondie101010> Rockwood: like tomreyn said, run: sudo mysql_upgrade -p
[09:57] <EriC^^> Zajt: a2query -s   / a2query -m
[09:57] <Rockwood> Blondie101010, i have just tried that
[09:57] <Rockwood> Blondie101010,  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8PrjFSzwJy/
[09:58] <Blondie101010> Rockwood, with the `-p`
[09:59] <Rockwood> okay
[09:59] <Rockwood> Blondie101010, i am very careless lol
[10:00] <Rockwood> Blondie101010, tomreyn https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MCwkpc8ZFZ/
[10:02] <tomreyn> Rockwood: undo the edit to /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.7.postinst - then you're done.
[10:02] <Rockwood> ok
[10:03] <Rockwood> done
[10:03] <tomreyn> Rockwood: you may want to purge mysql-server-5.5
[10:05] <tomreyn> Rockwood: so "sudo apt-get purge  mysql-server-5.5" - but make sure you have /etc/mysql backed up beforehand, and *don't* delete /var/lib/mysql in case you'll be prompted
[10:05] <Zajt> thanks EriC^^
[10:05] <EriC^^> Zajt: np
[10:06] <tomreyn> Rockwood: it seems like your system went through a non -clean upgrade from ubuntu 14.04 at some point. you should consider a clean reinstall of 16.04 or a clean installation of 18.04 (and migration of your data from 16.04) at some point.
[10:08] <dm_> hi I have many broken packages in my /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log.....When i run do-release-upgrade it says Cannot Calclate Update
[10:09] <Rockwood> ubuntu upgrade too ?
[10:09] <Rockwood> tomreyn,
[10:09] <SCHAPiE> nice, my server upgrade is finally complete and error-free, after some manual hackage
[10:09] <SCHAPiE> those new openvpn systemd files are acting a bit weird
[10:09] <dm_> yes i m trying to upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04
[10:09] <SCHAPiE> decided to just uninstall the package and compile it from source, and just use the sysv generator thing
[10:10] <SCHAPiE> otherwise it keeps on trying to restart already-started server configs
[10:10] <SCHAPiE> and spams my logs
[10:10] <tomreyn> Rockwood: i do not understand "ubuntu upgrade too ?". please write your question as a complete sentence, providing any details as needed.
[10:10] <ylwghst> Hi
[10:11] <ylwghst> any alternative of Adobe Indesign for linux?
[10:11] <tomreyn> dm_: what have you done soe far, how are you upgrading (since there is no supported upgrade path from 16.04 to 18.04, yet)?
[10:12] <tomreyn> ylwghst: https://www.osalt.com/search?q=Adobe+Indesign
[10:12] <dm_> tomreyn: I am using the -d flag for update....I am strying to fix all the broken packages
[10:13] <dm_> I am removing the broken packages
[10:13] <Tegu> ylwghst: I have heard bout Scribus, but I have also heard that it's not that good compared to InDesign.. but as I don't have own experience, I guess I should not say more. see for yourself
[10:14] <tomreyn> dm_: what happened after you ran "do-release-upgrade -d"? can you show the output?
[10:17] <dm_> thanks all I solved it
[10:17] <dm_> had to remove all the broken packges
[10:17] <dm_> i did it with apt autoremove
[10:20] <zetheroo> why does avahi-daemon break DNS in the web browser (and other places)? I am entering domain-name=ourdomain.local and restarting the service - but this breaks DNS.
[10:20] <zetheroo> And it seems this is still the case in 18.04
[10:22] <Gargravarr> so as expected, upgrading to 18.04 broke a few things, mostly things i can handle on my own, but has anyone run into a situation where Cinnamon won't install due to package conflicts? as best i can tell, it somehow depends on libcjs0 and libcjs0f, where the latter is marked as Conflicts with the former, and thus APT gets itself in a knot
[10:23] <Eightynine> For some reason scrolling is not smooth in Firefox on my PC. Probably something with drivers? I'm using Intel HD and i915 driver.
[10:23] <Gargravarr> Eightynine: have you checked the 'Preferences' -> 'Advanced' tab and that Smooth Scrolling and Hardware Acceleration are enabled?
[10:24] <brainwash> Gargravarr: I would check "apt-cache policy libcjs0 libcjs0f"
[10:24] <brainwash> Gargravarr: maybe one of those is/was provided by a different repository
[10:25] <Eightynine> I see that Smooth scrolling is ebabled. Will check if Hardware Acceleration is enabled.
[10:25] <Gargravarr> brainwash: seems so: https://pastebin.com/ddeL3Grw
[10:26] <Gargravarr> however, i've tried removing the PPA and it still does it. something to do with /var/lib/dpkg/status?
[10:26] <brainwash> Gargravarr: sudo apt-get install libcjs0f=3.6.1-0ubuntu1
[10:27] <brainwash> to force a "downgrade" to the ubuntu version
[10:27] <Gargravarr> brainwash: not found for the -f suffix
[10:27] <weillisterd> Does anyone know the command to fix an encrypted file system? It was something along the lines of ecryptfsck
[10:27] <Gargravarr> did you mean the -0 suffix? this is confusing :)
[10:28] <Eightynine> Can't find Hardware Acceleration
[10:28] <Gargravarr> weillisterd: ecryptfs is not so much a filesystem in its own right as an overlay on top of an existing
[10:28] <Gargravarr> i.e. you should fsck.ext4
[10:28] <weillisterd> I remember reading a command which fixed my issue 
[10:28] <Rockwood> tomreyn, okay
[10:29] <weillisterd> It was fsck but for encrypted partition
[10:29] <brainwash> Gargravarr: well, it does not let you install the -0 one, right?
[10:30] <Gargravarr> brainwash: if i try your command with the -0, it offers to remove both cjs and libcjs0f
[10:30] <brainwash> Gargravarr: I guess you want that
[10:30] <ChunkzZ> Hi there. where do I report bugs with 18.04?
[10:30] <Gargravarr> 'apt-cache depends cinnamon' shows that it depends on -0
[10:30] <brainwash> right
[10:31] <Gargravarr> ChunkzZ: https://bugs.launchpad.net/
[10:31] <Gargravarr> brainwash: the further complexity is thus:
[10:31] <Gargravarr> 'cinnamon' depends on 'cjs' as well
[10:31] <Rockwood> tomreyn, updates are by default always on in my ubuntu then should i required upgarde in 18.04 ?
[10:31] <Gargravarr> and 'cjs' depends on 'libcjs0f'
[10:32] <brainwash> Gargravarr: easiest way would be to remove all cinnamon related packages, and then reinstall it
[10:32]  * Gargravarr crosses fingers
[10:32] <juacar> hola
[10:33] <juacar> ghŕthj
[10:33] <joragu> ola
[10:33] <joragu> 123456789
[10:33] <joragu> AE
[10:33] <juacar> AE
[10:33] <joragu> ola guapis
[10:33] <juacar> REIS
[10:33] <joragu> np
[10:33] <juacar> ME ENCANTAN LAS POLLAS NEGRAS
[10:37] <Rockwood> tomreyn, unable to log you your requirement
[10:37] <carvil> ban %s
[10:38] <juacar> VIA HITLER
[10:38] <juacar> JRJEJHEDFqrgj
[10:38] <Gargravarr> brainwash: hasn't helped :( https://pastebin.com/bn3TQFR4
[10:38] <blackflow> ikonia: beep!
[10:39] <freehUgsz> whats up with the 20 minute suspend bug?
[10:39] <Gargravarr> brainwash: gah, okay, got it. i deleted the embrosyn PPA
[10:40] <rousooo> HOLA
[10:40] <carvil> hoola
[10:40] <DalekSec> juacar: Please quit playing around.
[10:40] <rousooo> QUIENES SOIS?
[10:40] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:40] <Gargravarr> brainwash: thanks for your help, it's installing now :)
[10:40] <brainwash> Gargravarr: nice :)
[10:41] <juacar> bryan mggag<wgç
[10:41] <juacar> scadvAgfssgaqqe
[10:41] <carvil> juan
[10:41] <juacar> a diago le gustan las pollas
[10:42] <Gargravarr> thank you sir
[10:42] <blackflow> heh, three hits with one ip regex? nice one.
[10:44] <DalekSec> Same user, or location.
[10:44] <Gargravarr> indeed, just a wildcard
[10:44] <Rockwood> what is the "do-release-upgrade -d"
[10:45] <Gargravarr> Rockwood: that upgrades you to the next 'development' release
[10:45] <Gargravarr> one that is not finished yet
[10:45] <Blondie101010> Rockwood's question is about whether he'll lose data or not
[10:45] <Gargravarr> (and doesn't exist at the moment, it will point to 18.10 eventually)
[10:45] <Rockwood> Gargravarr, by mistake i run this command
[10:46] <Rockwood> its an accident if i lost my data
[10:46] <Gargravarr> Rockwood: as best i understand, that is not a bad thing because it will have upgraded you to 18.04
[10:46] <Rockwood> and data ?
[10:46] <BluesKaj> Rockwood, amd didn't lose your data
[10:46] <Gargravarr> in theory, it should not have been touched
[10:47] <Rockwood> amd ?
[10:47] <BluesKaj> and rather
[10:47] <Gargravarr> others probably know more than me, i'm just answering your immediate question
[10:47] <Blondie101010> Rockwood, I doubt you have reason to worry about the data
[10:47] <Blondie101010> but learn to make backups
[10:47] <Silmarilion> anyone done the upgrade from 17.10 with luks/lvm setup? Did it run smoothly?
[10:47] <Gargravarr> ^ this cannot be stated enough
[10:48] <Rockwood> dam my hands
[10:48] <Gargravarr> Silmarilion: have done so from 16.04 with LUKS/LVM, can't comment on 17.10
[10:48] <blackflow> Silmarilion: just ran one with root on zfs on luks.
[10:48] <Rockwood> Blondie101010, i have backup mostly but few of em are not backuped
[10:48] <BluesKaj> Rockwood, i just upgraded 3 machines yesterday before the release because I had to go our so i used the -d option and I didn't lose anything
[10:49] <Silmarilion> ok tnx for the info
[10:49] <BluesKaj> our=out
[10:49] <Gargravarr> Rockwood: what data are you worried you may have lost? MySQL?
[10:49] <zetheroo> the only way for local domain DNS to work properly is for avahi-daemon to be disabled - has anyone successfully setup avahi-daemon?
[10:50] <blackflow> zetheroo: by "local domain DNS" you mean .local zone?
[10:50] <zetheroo> blackflow: exactly
[10:50] <Blondie101010> zetheroo, what you said sounded like: does anyone know how to setup this thing that I will not use
[10:50] <_rosco_> I've got huge boot problems with the latest update on ubuntu 16 lts. the boot process doesn't always crash at the same time. I managed to recover a station by booting with a live usb stick and doing manipulation, but does anyone knows if there is a problem with the last update?
[10:50] <Rockwood> nitin@cyberia:~$ do-release-upgrade -d  god some positive wit me lol
[10:51] <Rockwood> something, with
[10:51] <Gargravarr> _rosco_: are any of the machines using LDAP auth with sssd?
[10:51] <_rosco_> I guess it's related to ldap authentication and lightdm but it's still unclear.
[10:51] <Rockwood> Gargravarr, system data
[10:51] <_rosco_> gargravarr: yes
[10:51] <blackflow> zetheroo: hmm, I'm using localhost bind, with resolved disabled, no problem.
[10:51] <Rockwood> mysql backup i have Gargravarr
[10:52] <Rockwood> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZBPxwjnVZh/
[10:52] <Gargravarr> _rosco_: i ran into problems with intel-microcode. the problem is a lock conflict between AppArmor and the kernel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/intel-microcode/+bug/1759920?comments=all
[10:52] <Gargravarr> Rockwood: what is 'system data'?
[10:53] <Rockwood> my local folder and files
[10:53] <Rockwood> Gargravarr,
[10:53] <Gargravarr> Rockwood: okay, most of us would not call that 'system' data, but still, an upgrade will not touch your /home folder
[10:53] <Rockwood> i have saved lots of important
[10:53] <zetheroo> blackflow: I'm just wondering why this avahi-daemon is installed by default and yet we have for years been needing to disable it, and it's still the case in 18.04
[10:53] <blackflow> zetheroo: isn't that for zeroconf thing?
[10:53] <blackflow> LAN autodiscovery etc...
[10:54] <Rockwood> what about downloads folder ? Gargravarr
[10:54] <Gargravarr> _rosco_: if you recently updated intel-microcode, this may be your problem. an updated kernel is available that should fix the issue
[10:54] <Shibe> so i switched from the ubuntu pakistan mirror to the main server, but do-release-upgrade says no new releases?
[10:54] <Gargravarr> Rockwood: please listen. anything in /home and below will not be touched by an upgrade
[10:54] <zetheroo> blackflow: Something like that, yeah, and LAN auto-discovery would be nice to have ... :/
[10:55] <Rockwood> Gargravarr, thanks
[10:55] <blackflow> zetheroo: I don't think it's avahi messing with .local, but systemd-resolved. I could be wrong tho'. I've been disabling resolved on each new installation since 16.10.
[10:55] <Gargravarr> Shibe: if you're on Xenial, it won't until the 18.04.1 point release
[10:55] <Shibe> Gargravarr: im on 17.10
[10:55] <Gargravarr> Shibe: this is how LTS upgrades work (and i found out yesterday)
[10:55] <Gargravarr> okay, pass then :)
[10:56] <blackflow> Shibe: you need -d for do-releaes-upgrade, to upgrade from 17.10 to 18.04
[10:56] <Shibe> Gargravarr: its an issue with the mirror i think but im on the main server now
[10:56] <_rosco_> gargravarr: thanks, very interesting. I'm moving between nslcd and ssssd but I didn't suspected the intel microcode. I'll have a look at that
[10:56] <Shibe> blackflow: ah its working now
[10:56] <Shibe> thanks
[10:56] <zetheroo> blackflow: we use PBIS to join the Linux (Ubuntu) systems to the Windows Domain, and PBIS will not join the domain so long as avahi-daemon is running.
[10:56] <Gargravarr> blackflow: be careful advising that without explaining what it does. '-d' is a 'development' release and should not be used habitually
[10:57] <zetheroo> blackflow: So we do 'domain-name=.alocal' and restart the avahi service, which fails to restart (good) and then we can join the local domain just fine.
[10:57] <blackflow> Gargravarr: I thought "to upgrade from 17.10 to 18.04" was specific enough
[10:57] <blackflow> Gargravarr: besides, on LTS -d wouldn't work, without also changing /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[10:57] <milicatTK> upgrade to 18.04, my document will be deleted or  not?
[10:57] <zetheroo> it's a pain that something like this is still an issue - since maybe further back than 14.04
[10:58] <Gargravarr> milicatTK: upgrades do not touch your user data under /home, your data will be safe unless you store it elsewhere
[10:58] <milicatTK> thank you:)
[10:58] <Gargravarr> np
[10:58] <mpeg> milicatTK: If you are just upgrading from a lower version, no deliting will happen
[10:58] <blackflow> zetheroo: unfortunately I don't have any experience with that (zeroconf and avahi). But it wouldn't suprise me if that messed up something with windows networking
[11:00] <Gargravarr> _rosco_: there is a technical explanation in comment #47. took me a lot of hair-pulling to figure it out because it produced no error messages, just froze
[11:01] <Tecan> gnome/mate clock/calendar needs a better calendar for event planning
[11:01] <mpeg> Something wrong with mu wifi... all of a sudden i cant connect to wifi..i \am using a cable now
[11:01] <mpeg> what could be wrong?
[11:02] <Gargravarr> mpeg: check /var/log/syslog
[11:02] <Gargravarr> there should be some output from network-manager about why it disconnected
[11:03] <rajrajraj> i am gettin the error "Err:13 http://ppa.launchpad.net/boost-latest/ppa/ubuntu xenial Release  404  Not Found" in ubuntu 16.04, after doing apt update
[11:07] <SCHAPiE> looks like puppetserver from the official package from the website, needs to use the openjdk-8-jre binary to function
[11:07] <SCHAPiE> doesn't work yet with 18.04's openjdk-11-jre
[11:07] <MonkeyDust> rajrajraj  xenial is not there ... http://ppa.launchpad.net/boost-latest/ppa/ubuntu/dists/
[11:07] <rajrajraj> MonkeyDust:  what do i do then
[11:08] <MonkeyDust> rajrajraj  depends on what the ppa is for
[11:08] <rajrajraj> MonkeyDust:  i just need latest boost
[11:08] <MonkeyDust> rajrajraj  define 'latest boost'
[11:09] <rajrajraj> MonkeyDust:  https://dl.bintray.com/boostorg/release/1.67.0/source/boost_1_67_0.zip
[11:09] <rajrajraj> this
[11:09] <rajrajraj> i meant https://dl.bintray.com/boostorg/release/1.67.0/source/boost_1_67_0.tar.gz
[11:10] <rajrajraj> the previous link is for windows
[11:10] <ninjabytes> hello
[11:10] <MonkeyDust> rajrajraj  but  what does it do
[11:10] <ninjabytes> why ubuntu 18.04 creates a swapfile in the installation?
[11:11] <SagelessFox> yet another question: after installed 18.04 on my ssd, do I need enable trim manually?
[11:11] <JimBuntu> They switched to swap files instead of a swap partition
[11:11] <MonkeyDust> rajrajraj  maybe you don't need the ppa
[11:11] <SagelessFox> need to*'
[11:11] <Mr_Pan> JimBuntu, no is automatic ...
[11:11] <ninjabytes> swapfile vs swap partition? speed?
[11:11] <rajrajraj> MonkeyDust:  what do i need then
[11:11] <JimBuntu> Right, automatic... because THEY (canonical) decided to switch to a FILE instead of a PARTITION
[11:12] <ninjabytes> is the only distro doing this?
[11:12] <MonkeyDust> rajrajraj  again, depends on what you want to do
[11:12] <Mr_Pan> JimBuntu, sorry ... my error
[11:12] <JimBuntu> I believe this is even stated in the release notes
[11:12] <rajrajraj> MonkeyDust:  just need boost 1.67
[11:12] <Mr_Pan> SagelessFox, trim is automatic
[11:12] <rajrajraj> MonkeyDust:  how do i get it using apt
[11:12] <SagelessFox> okay thanks Mr_Pan
[11:12] <JimBuntu> no worries Mr_Pan
[11:12] <Mr_Pan> ;)
[11:13] <MonkeyDust> rajrajraj  what's the name of the package ... we're going in circles
[11:13] <ninjabytes> in a VM we need swap?
[11:13] <MonkeyDust> !find boost
[11:14] <rajrajraj> MonkeyDust:  libboost-all-dev
[11:14] <MonkeyDust> !find libboost
[11:15] <ninjabytes> swapfile can be fragmented easily
[11:15] <JimBuntu> ninjabytes, you never *need* swap. Even in a VM, swap can be beneficial to the user experience, depending on conditions
[11:15] <MonkeyDust> rajrajraj  better contact the owner of the ppa, read the README file or so, if there is one
[11:15] <ninjabytes> jim never?
[11:16] <ninjabytes> why tjis?
[11:16] <ninjabytes> this?
[11:16] <rajrajraj> MonkeyDust:  ok
[11:17] <JimBuntu> ninjabytes, Under what condition would you *require* (as in need) swap? Perhaps if you didn't have enough RAM at all for a program to operate, but outside of that....?
[11:17] <ninjabytes> jim i5 with 4GB RAM
[11:18] <ninjabytes> and VM 2GB RAM
[11:18] <ninjabytes> 50%
[11:19] <ninjabytes> Apple MacBook Air 13.3" (Intel Core i5 1.8 GHz/ 128GB SSD)
[11:19] <JimBuntu> ninjabytes, sounds like you are starving the operating system of RAM in general, but I would expect both the host and the client to be capable of running, depending on what you are trying to run... as in, if you aren't trying to run anything that blatantly states it requires more RAM than you have...
[11:20] <ninjabytes> an example Backbox 5.1 based on ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[11:20] <JimBuntu> For example, 18.04 is stated to run with only 2GB of RAM.
[11:21] <JimBuntu> Don't expect a zippy user experience if you are feeding the OS the bare minimums though. No more so than expecting a human that is starving to be zippy
[11:21] <ninjabytes> 18.04 with gnome need a lot of resources
[11:21] <ninjabytes> xfce is much better
[11:22] <JimBuntu> 18.04 with Gnome has a 2GB RAM bare requirement
[11:22] <enyc> JimBuntu: what about Budgie and MATE ?
[11:22] <ninjabytes> mate works good
[11:23] <enyc> ninjabytes: ram needs???
[11:23] <dbugger> ninjabytes, beware how you use "better", or you might start the next World War ;)
[11:23] <ninjabytes> lol dbugger
[11:23] <ninjabytes> funny
[11:23] <JimBuntu> enyc, I am unsure about those flavors as I do not follow them.
[11:24] <JimBuntu> I too prefer xfce4 if I want to reduce the required resources.
[11:25] <ninjabytes> i also had problems with airport wifi booting a live usb with ubuntu 17.10
[11:26] <ninjabytes> Broadcom BCM43224
[11:28] <enyc> JimBuntu: fine =)... on xubuntu 16.04  i had a lot of annoyances/niggles/bugs  , sillyness with multimonitor display settings and stuff..
[11:28] <Gargravarr> brainwash: if you're still around, i just rebooted after installing Cinnamon, but now i've got a weird issue with logging in
[11:29] <Gargravarr> it seems like selecting Cinnamon is causing it to not like decrypting my home folder, seeing entries in syslog about the ecryptfs key not being found
[11:29] <ninjabytes> checking Ubuntu Studio 18.04 in a VM
[11:30] <Gargravarr> yet, it IS actually doing the decrypt and mount, because after dumping me back at the login screen (screen goes black and flashes several times, then back to greeter), if i log in from a TTY, my home folder is mounted
[11:30] <johnnyap0l> Gargravarr: apt-get install ecryptfs-utils ?
[11:30] <Tin__man> wonder why they decided to place the darn trashcan right on a nice clean desktop on the new 18.04 .. then require gnome tweaks to remove it..
[11:30] <johnnyap0l> i think they depreciated home folder encryption in this release
[11:30] <Gargravarr> johnnyap0l: already installed
[11:31] <johnnyap0l> ah gotcha
[11:31] <Gargravarr> johnnyap0l: wait what? why would they do that?
[11:31]  * Gargravarr adds that to the list to check
[11:31] <EriC^^> Gargravarr: can you pastebin the errors from dmesg?
[11:31] <Gargravarr> EriC^^: i can try. i'm logged in from the TTY right now :)
[11:31] <johnnyap0l> they recommend LUKS / full disk encryption now. when i booted up the gnome installation there was no option to encrypt home folder
[11:31] <EriC^^> Gargravarr: dmesg | nc termview.me 9999
[11:31] <JimBuntu> enyc, that is interesting. With regular Ubuntu 16.04, using 3 monitors... I didn't run into issues. May depend on the video card or other factors. Knowing how each display adds to the RAM requirements depending on the resolution
[11:32] <EriC^^> Gargravarr: or from here /exec -o dmesg | nc termview.me 9999
[11:32] <enyc> JimBuntu: it seemed to worked wone configured but the xfce frontend monitors tool was clearly buggy
[11:33] <JimBuntu> enyc, Ah, I have not used xfce4 with multiple monitors. I only use that on what are basically headless systems, when I want to slap a head on it temporarily (via rdp)
[11:34] <enyc> JimBuntu: *generally* i've found MATE to work and be plenty low-enough resource usage.  but I have no doubt things will have changed/improved.
[11:34] <Gargravarr> EriC^^: or pastebinit, but i would like to sanitise first :)
[11:34] <Gargravarr> i'm seeing a lot of these errors, could these be related? Apr 27 12:12:55 M3520 gnome-shell[6928]: g_array_unref: assertion 'array' failed
[11:35] <JimBuntu> enyc, Improved... in general, sure. I am not a fan of the rising base requirements in general for most distros. 25GB stated as a required amount of disk space for a "normal" 18.04 desktop install seems a little heavy. Luckily, we aren't limited to that install X-D
[11:35] <EriC^^> Gargravarr: is ~/.Xauthority owned by you?
[11:36] <JimBuntu> anyway, I have wondered a bit offtopic, ceasing now.
[11:37] <EriC^^> Gargravarr: i dont think it's a ecryptfs kind of issue, does it only happen with the cinnamon de? or other de's work?
[11:40] <ninjabytes> ubuntu studio 18.04 crashes in a VM, ubuntu mate works well
[11:41] <Gargravarr> EriC^^: it didn't happen on Gnome earlier
[11:41] <Gargravarr> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XXZ8bw3z87/
[11:41] <Zajt> Hey! I am trying to compile fmem on Ubuntu 16.04(through USB, I chose Try ubuntu without installing), but when I run make, I get these errors: https://pastebin.com/YypyG2gg
[11:41] <Gargravarr> and yes, ~/.Xauthority is owner/group me
[11:41] <Zajt> Is there any way I can solve this?
[11:42] <cfhowlett> i/o error Zajt.  seems you don't have permission to write to your boot medium or your out of space on said medium.
[11:42] <Gargravarr> JimBuntu: so long as it stays below the 40GB base requirements for Windows, i don't care...
[11:43] <EriC^^> Gargravarr: if you try again to use cinnamon now that you've logged in the tty does it work?
[11:43] <Gargravarr> EriC^^: nope, same thing happens
[11:43] <JimBuntu> Gargravarr, lol, I'm with you on that, simply prefer less. 40GB. You think that's bad, how about 12GB simply to install XCode on macOS... 1 program... 12GB
[11:44] <EriC^^> Gargravarr: odd, does the guest account for cinnamon work?
[11:44] <Gargravarr> JimBuntu: you don't need to tell me, i run a mixed Ubuntu/macOS LAN here, i know about Xcode
[11:45] <Gargravarr> EriC^^: i have guest accounts disabled. i just tried switching back to Gnome and it logged in successfully, so it's specific to Cinnamon
[11:45] <EriC^^> aha'
[11:45] <rajrajraj> I have installed boost in a separate directory but how do i make cmake to search in that directory when it does find_package()
[11:47] <ioria> Gargravarr, encrypted home not working with cinnamon but only with gnome-shell ?   if so it's an old encryptfs bug
[11:48] <Gargravarr> ioria: it's my best guess so far, judging from the ecryptfs errors in syslog (and i've seen this behaviour before when passwords come out of sync), but it may not be
[11:48] <ioria> Gargravarr, switch to console run 'ecryptfs-manager' and select 4 (Exit) and try again to log in cinnamon
[11:50] <Gargravarr> ioria: didn't work
[11:50] <Gargravarr> same thing happened
[11:51] <ioria> Gargravarr, it comas back to the login screen ^
[11:51] <ioria> *comes
[11:51] <Les1> Hi! If I install Bionic on my laptop, do the release notes mean that after watching a movie for 20 minutes, it will suspend, regardless of my settings?
[11:51] <Gargravarr> might as well be 'coma'
[11:52] <Gargravarr> correct. password successful -> screen goes black -> flashes black (backlight off/on) several times -> back to the login screen
[11:53] <ioria> Gargravarr,  and if you ls -al /home$USER from tty, you see your home still encrypted ?
[11:53] <Gargravarr> ioria: no, my home folder stays mounted, unencrypted
[11:53] <ioria> Gargravarr,  ah, so i was wrong
[11:54] <EriC^^> doesn't logging into the tty decrypt it?
[11:54] <Gargravarr> EriC^^: it does, but i logged in as root and saw my home folder was still mounted
[11:54] <ioria> yes, usually not always
[11:54] <ioria> another bug
[11:55] <ioria> should be umounted at logout
[11:55] <Gargravarr> ioria: that assumes the correct logout sequence is actually running
[11:55] <ioria> Gargravarr,  maybe you need a reboot
[11:55] <Gargravarr> it seems like something is dying during the login sequence and gdm is recovering
[11:56] <kubast2> Yo uhm gdm doesn't work on 3rd reboot with nvidia-390 driver lmao
[11:56] <kubast2> What do I do now
[11:56] <Gargravarr> ioria: i can try, but my experience is that there are very few Linux problems that are solved with a simple reboot
[11:56] <kubast2> 18.04
[11:57] <_rosco_> gargavarr: I seems to be stable with kernels 4.13.0.39 and above, but the video drivers have problems now, seems like xorg can only load vesa. Did you update other packages as well ? I upgraded linux-image and linux-tools
[11:57] <Gargravarr> _rosco_: do you have external GPUs? all my machines are just Intel onboard
[11:57] <_rosco_> gargavarr: no, just intel
[11:57] <Gargravarr> but sounds like it was the microcde problem after all
[11:58] <EriC^^> Gargravarr: try making another user account to try with cinnamon, perhaps its mounting everything then segfaulting and not unmounting anything
[11:58] <Gargravarr> _rosco_: in short, no, i didn't encounter any problems with the graphics drivers
[11:58] <Gargravarr> EriC^^: i can try logging in as another user, sure
[12:01] <Gargravarr> EriC^^: nope, same thing happened. so it's not specific to my user account either
[12:01] <EriC^^> Gargravarr: aha
[12:02] <EriC^^> anything in ~/.xsession-errors ? dmesg | grep -iE "segfault|segv" ?
[12:02] <andrex> what kind of cpu or gpu? The drivers on the old Intel cards are built into the core if the memory does not change to me. and the current from them 0. Well, or I missed something))
[12:05] <Gargravarr> EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MgFZKmdX23/ .xession-errors
[12:05] <Gargravarr> note this is from about an hour ago, not from the most recent attempt to log in
[12:06] <Gargravarr> also, yes, there's one dmesg entry for 'segfault': [  328.936841] gnome-shell[6767]: segfault at 20 ip 00007fa0506aa55d sp 00007ffd713ba6b0 error 4 in libmutter-2.so.0.0.0[7fa0505bc000+156000]
[12:14] <ioria> Gargravarr, are you on 18.04 ?
[12:14] <Gargravarr> ioria: yes
[12:16] <ioria> Gargravarr, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1012087/cinnamon-session-crashing-login-from-greeter
[12:16] <Gargravarr> ioria: running non-graphically, could you give me the gist of that perchance? :)
[12:17] <ioria> Gargravarr, sudo apt-get purge gnome-user-share
[12:17] <ioria>  and reboot
[12:17] <Gargravarr> i'll try
[12:18] <ioria> Gargravarr, you can use liks2, btw  (not graphical browser)
[12:18] <ioria> *links
[12:19] <HexaByte> Hi guys. Till now i've always used PHP with Apache via proxy to PHP-FPM. Now I wand to use and install python for use under apache. What is the best way to do it? Is there something like PHP-FPM pools which I use now for each user, or should I look for something like mod_php but for python? Maybe via fastcgi?  I'm on 18.04 now BTW
[12:19] <HexaByte> I just need the basic recommendation, I can sort out the details by myself.
[12:20] <Gargravarr> ioria: you sir are a genius, it worked :D
[12:21] <ioria> Gargravarr, not me, thanks that guy :þ
[12:21] <Gargravarr> HexaByte: WSGI is the standard approach
[12:21] <HexaByte> WSGI
[12:21] <HexaByte> OK will look into that now
[12:23] <HexaByte> Gargravarr: thank you
[12:24] <Gargravarr> HexaByte: welcome
[12:24] <HexaByte> Which WSGI server do you recommend (which allows for user privilege separation)?
[12:25] <Gargravarr> i generally run under Apache because that's the one i know best
[12:25] <Gargravarr> others may have better suggestions
[12:25] <HexaByte> so you use mod_wsgi?
[12:25] <Gargravarr> oh right, yes, that one
[12:35] <SCHAPiE> finally an up to date krb5, in bionic
[12:36] <Rockwood> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/y42Xkyc9RF/ what should i do ?
[12:36] <Rockwood> yes or no
[12:38] <cfhowlett> default Rockwood
[12:38] <Rockwood> no then ?
[12:38] <HexaByte> Rockwood: D
[12:39] <HexaByte> if you have not modified it by hand then you can just overwrite it with new default one
[12:39] <HexaByte> look at the differences with D :-)
[12:40] <Blondie101010> ok, so it's what I thought
[12:43]  * kubast2 Saves xorg.conf via nvidia x settings reboots ,doesn't work anymore /shrugs\
[12:45] <Multbrelch> Hello. I'm quite impressed: pdftk does not exist in (L)Ubuntu 18.04?
[12:45] <Multbrelch> Why?
[12:45] <cfhowlett> !info pdftk | Multbrelch
[12:46] <spreeuw> boy this default wm is not my thing
[12:46] <Multbrelch> cfhowlett, so what does it mean?
[12:46] <cfhowlett> Multbrelch, it means you can easily install it
[12:46] <Multbrelch> I have to activate 'artful'?
[12:47] <cfhowlett> activate?  what?
[12:47] <Multbrelch> cfhowlett, I tried via apt
[12:47] <cfhowlett> Multbrelch, sudo apt install pdftk | pastebinit
[12:47] <Multbrelch> cfhowlett, look also here: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=pdftk
[12:48] <Multbrelch> cfhowlett, it sad that it does not exist in Lubuntu
[12:48] <cfhowlett> what are you on about?  not every linux package is included in ANY distro.  if you want it, install it.
[12:49] <ioria> !info pdftk bionic
[12:49] <Multbrelch> cfhowlett, I tried via apt install
[12:50] <cfhowlett> Multbrelch, per ioria's msg above, it appears it may not be available in bionic
[12:50] <Multbrelch> okay -- nevertheless impressive :-)
[12:52] <quiaz> what is Minimal Desktop Install in ubuntu 18.04 ?
[12:52] <cfhowlett> https://christiandietze.de/pdftk-with-ubuntu-bionic-18-04/  Multbrelch
[12:52] <Multbrelch> cfhowlett, ioria probably they will (hopefully) include it: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+source/pdftk
[12:53] <LordDragon> hey all
[12:54] <LordDragon> so when i try to cp a file that is currently open and being slowly written to by ftpd, the file it produces cannot be transferred
[12:54] <Multbrelch> cfhowlett, ah okay, thanks for the link! This clarifies ...
[12:54] <LordDragon> is there a flag with cp i can use to make a closed file with whatever the current contents of an open file is?
[12:55] <anzipex> Hey, i have Firefox 59.0.2 (32-bit) on my Ubuntu (x86) 14.04.5 LTS Desktop OS. When i watching youtube or else media with html5 support it causes crash
[12:56] <anzipex> Can someone help me figure out why this is happening?
[12:57] <parclytaxel> Hello, I'm still not getting 18.04 ready for upgrade even though I switched to the main British server
[12:57] <LordDragon> ok i figured it out. i used cp -b
[12:57] <cfhowlett> parclytaxel, and you won't until 18.4.1
[12:57] <parclytaxel> Which is when
[12:57] <cfhowlett> 6 months
[12:58] <parclytaxel> Why this delay
[12:58] <cfhowlett> there is no delay.
[12:58] <parclytaxel> OK, what's the difference between the 18.04 that is out and 18.4.1?
[12:58] <parclytaxel> Why the need to separate things like this?
[12:59] <cfhowlett> it's set up so that the first round of fixes are applied before the upgrade.
[12:59] <JimBuntu> parclytaxel, huh? What's the difference between what's out now and an updated version that hasn't been determined yet?
[13:00] <cfhowlett> parclytaxel, you can always download the .iso, make a boot USB and clean install.  personally, I think it better to wait but that's just like my opinion, man.
[13:00] <JimBuntu> and... cfhowlett , 18.04.1 is due/expected on July 26th. 3 months
[13:00] <cfhowlett> ah,sorry!  thanks for correcting me
[13:01] <Norux> why isn't it called 18.06 then, JimBuntu?
[13:01] <JimBuntu> no worries cfhowlett,
[13:01] <cfhowlett> year, month or release, norux.  18.04.1 is the first POINT release
[13:01] <Norux> oh, 18.07 i mean of course
[13:01] <JimBuntu> Norux, because it's a point release, not a "full" release.
[13:01] <parclytaxel> The reason for such "point releases" may be found on Ask Ubuntu
[13:01] <Norux> ohh, okay.
[13:02] <parclytaxel> I am currently using 17.10
[13:02] <JimBuntu> YY.MM.version
[13:05] <parclytaxel> Why don't they immediately let existing users upgrade to 18.04? Is there any reason?
[13:05] <MrM1st> Hi all
[13:06] <parclytaxel> Hi
[13:06] <cfhowlett> you CAN upgrade immediately.  clean install, parclytaxel
[13:06] <MrM1st> I'm installing 18.04 now, but wayland doesn't show in the login screen as an option
[13:06] <MrM1st> Is there some dependency I need to install?
[13:06] <parclytaxel> No, I'm asking about why there is no option to upgrade through the Software Updater
[13:06] <parclytaxel> (as of this point, of course)
[13:07] <parclytaxel> Is it a gradual transition to the 18.04 packages that is being implemented?
[13:07] <JimBuntu> parclytaxel, because it's an LTS... long term service... it's expected to be stable. The initial releases aren't as stable as the xx.xx.1 release.
[13:07] <brainwash> MrM1st: aren't you using the nvidia driver?
[13:08] <MrM1st> brainwash: Yes, that's true
[13:08] <MrM1st> brainwash: why?
[13:08] <JimBuntu> parclytaxel, by the time it reaches the xx.xx.1, it *should* be safe for auto-updates on production equipment.
[13:08] <parclytaxel> Eh, OK
[13:08] <brainwash> MrM1st: it's likely that wayland support is still missing for the nvidia driver
[13:09] <spreeuw> you could wait a week to let others try
[13:09] <parclytaxel> So I presume they're going to iron out any post-release bugs during these three months JimBuntu?
[13:09] <leshl> daynu!!
[13:09] <brainwash> MrM1st: and therefore the option is hidden
[13:09] <leshl> 8[13:09] <spreeuw> apt install xubuntu-desktop
[13:09] <MrM1st> brainwash: cat'ing syslog, and grep'ing for wayland gives me:
[13:09] <leshl> 8[13:09] <spreeuw> oy veh had to shut this weird desktop down
[13:10] <MrM1st> brainwash: gnome-shell[1037]: JS WARNING: [resource:///org/gnome/shell/ui/windowManager.js 1468]: reference to undefined property "MetaWindowXwayland"
[13:10] <JimBuntu> parclytaxel, that is how it has been historically managed. We wouldn't need this if there were more users testing the release during the ~9 months it's available as pre-release and reporting back any and all bugs... and if there were also enough people writing patches/etc
[13:10] <thxffo> is there any negative impact if i remove snapd
[13:10] <leshl> дауны
[13:10] <Gargravarr> MrM1st: just a note, you don't need to cat and grep, you can do grep <pattern> <filename> :)
[13:10] <leshl> ебливые
[13:10] <cfhowlett> thxffo, yes.  can't use any snaps.
[13:10] <cfhowlett> !ru | leshl
[13:10] <leshl> хули вы тут хуйнёй страдаете??
[13:10] <brainwash> MrM1st: switch to the open source driver, and see if you can use the wayland session
[13:10] <MrM1st> Gargravarr: heh. Yep. Old habits die hard :P
[13:11] <leshl> на завод науй!!!
[13:11] <MrM1st> brainwash: The nouveau driver?
[13:11] <brainwash> MrM1st: yes
[13:11] <Norux> leshl: type /join #ubuntu-ru
[13:11] <leshl> дрочеры клавишные!!!
[13:11] <MrM1st> brainwash: But that freezes my system with spotify. At least it used to..
[13:11] <spreeuw> SHOULD OPENSSH SERVER BE running after install on ubuntu?
[13:11] <JimBuntu> spreeuw, if you installed it, yes
[13:11] <spreeuw> strange
[13:12] <spreeuw> maybe after reboot it will be ok
[13:12] <Gargravarr> spreeuw: try 'service ssh status'
[13:12] <skype_grtrip> hi
[13:12] <brainwash> MrM1st: for best performance/compatibility you want to stay with the nvidia driver anyway, especially if you have a recent nvidia gpu
[13:12] <MrM1st> brainwash: Mm.. but what's that js error message?
[13:12] <Gargravarr> spreeuw: it will give you any log entries that might mean it's not running because of a problem
[13:13] <brainwash> MrM1st: it's a warning message
[13:13] <spreeuw> claims to be running
[13:13] <Gargravarr> !ask | skype_grtrip
[13:13] <spreeuw> does ubunti come with a firewall per default?
[13:13] <JimBuntu> UFW
[13:13] <MrM1st> brainwash: Could it be a symptom? How can I see if the wayland libraries are installed at all?
[13:13] <cfhowlett> it does, MrM1st but it's disabled by default
[13:13] <cfhowlett> !ufw | MrM1st
[13:13] <brainwash> MrM1st: it mentions xwayland
[13:14] <brainwash> MrM1st: "XWayland is a fully fledged X server implementation that act as a proxy between X11 clients and a Wayland compositor."
[13:14] <parclytaxel> Wait up
[13:15] <thxffo> @cfhowlett i see it spawning on all my hyper threaded cores. my install of 16.04 is for bro intrusion detection system. not sure if i need snaps, what do they do?
[13:15] <parclytaxel> JimBuntu, 18.04 JUST landed in the repos apparently
[13:15] <JimBuntu> parclytaxel, yes, released yesterday sometime
[13:15] <cfhowlett> snaps does nothing until/unless you install a snap, thxffo
[13:15] <parclytaxel> Issued update-manager from the terminal
[13:15] <MrM1st> cfhowlett: I think you triggered the wrong user. I'm not asing about any firewall stuff. I'm struggling to get wayland to run
[13:15] <Gargravarr> thxffo: snaps are fully packaged applications and all their dependencies
[13:15] <cfhowlett> doh
[13:15] <cfhowlett> !ufw | spreeuw,
[13:15] <Gargravarr> thxffo: https://snapcraft.io/
[13:15] <cfhowlett> sorry MrM1st
[13:16] <thxffo> ok cool
[13:16] <MrM1st> Aaah.. so Xwayland actively translatex X11 to Wayland?
[13:17] <MrM1st> cfhowlett: np :)
[13:17] <brainwash> MrM1st: otherwise you would not be able to use X11 apps in a wayland session
[13:17] <brainwash> MrM1st: found this https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1552649
[13:18] <parclytaxel> OK, upgrading to 18.04 now
[13:18] <parclytaxel> Cross my fingers…
[13:18] <Gargravarr> parclytaxel: godspeed, sir
[13:18] <brainwash> MrM1st: the warning could be caused due to poor coding
[13:18] <brainwash> MrM1st: maybe it's worth to forward it to the gnome devs
[13:18] <Gargravarr> brainwash: i have yet to see any JS-based application run without producing some kind of unset-variable error ;)
[13:18] <MrM1st> brainwash: Mm. As is often the case with warnings like that
[13:19] <brainwash> Gargravarr: :D
[13:19] <Gargravarr> and just carry on regardless
[13:19] <MrM1st> brainwash: But I was thinking it might have something to do with wayland not being installed correctly or something
[13:19] <MrM1st> Anyone here running 18.04, With nvidia, and using wayland??
[13:20] <tomreyn> is that actually possible now?
[13:21] <Gargravarr> tomreyn: anything is possible. probable? that's another question :D
[13:21] <brainwash> bug 1753127
[13:21] <MrM1st> brainwash: I'm not trying 390 though
[13:22] <MrM1st> I'm on 384
[13:22] <brainwash> that is probably a big reason why 18.04 uses xorg by default
[13:22] <brainwash> MrM1st: not relevant I'd think
[13:23] <MrM1st> brainwash: what's not relevant? That I'm using a older version?
[13:23] <crimson_king> 'f*** you nvidia' --Linus Torvalds
[13:23] <MrM1st> crimson_king: hehe
[13:23] <Gargravarr> crimson_king: s/nvidia/*/
[13:24] <Gargravarr> MrM1st: the resolution may still be the same
[13:24] <brainwash> MrM1st: I mean it's not very likely that an older version offers the needed support for wayland
[13:24] <Gargravarr> or that
[13:24] <MrM1st> brainwash: But I was using the 384 driver with wayland on 17.10
[13:24] <brainwash> out of the box?
[13:24] <MrM1st> the lastest kernel
[13:24] <MrM1st> yep
[13:24] <brainwash> hybrid graphics?
[13:25] <MrM1st> nvidia quadro
[13:25] <Gargravarr> side note - hybrid graphics are a nightmare
[13:26] <MrM1st> Gargravarr: What do you mean by hybrid graphics?
[13:26] <Gargravarr> MrM1st: laptops that dynamically switch between Intel onboard GPUs to save power, and a nVidia or AMD external GPU for performance
[13:27] <MrM1st> Gargravarr: Aah. I see. Nope, I'm on Xeon, so no onboard GPU
[13:28] <MrM1st> But what's your advice? Jump back to 17.10 until the support is enabled?
[13:28] <brainwash> did you maybe set "nvidia-drm modeset=1"?
[13:30] <brainwash> https://askubuntu.com/a/929189
[13:30] <MrM1st> brainwash: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-390/+bug/1752739
[13:30] <Gargravarr> MrM1st: PRIME is relevant only to hybrid graphics
[13:31] <MrM1st> Gargravarr: But I don't know why stuff is failing now..
[13:31] <MrM1st> is it a better idea trying to find it in my system logs or something?
[13:31] <brainwash> and we don't understand how it worked in the first place
[13:31] <brainwash> :)
[13:31] <Gargravarr> brainwash: the only thing worse than 'it doesn't work and i don't know why'
[13:32] <MrM1st> Gotta continue on monday :) Thanks for the help this far thogh
[13:32] <Gargravarr> good luck MrM1st
[13:33] <MrM1st> Gargravarr: thanks :)
[13:33] <amis> Hello! I installed Ubuntu MATE 18.04 and the analog output of my integrated soundcard is no longer recognized. What can I do about this? It shows only HDMI/DisplayPort as audio out only. It worked on 16.04.
[13:33] <MrM1st> And good luck here as well. Gotta be a LOT of questions to handle the next days
[13:33] <amis> This is a fresh install, not an upgrade
[13:33] <MrM1st> brainwash: Thanks a lot.
[13:33] <Gargravarr> amis: does 'lspci' show a sound device?
[13:33] <brainwash> you're welcome MrM1st
[13:33] <ass-hao> hey
[13:33] <MrM1st> bye
[13:34] <amis> Gargravarr, two, one Intel and one Nvidia. I guess both are the HDMI output (I have an integrated and a dedicated video card)
[13:35] <Gargravarr> theamcan you pastebin the results of 'alsa-info'?
[13:36] <Gargravarr> whoops, amis ^
[13:37] <Adro> Hello, does anyone know what's up with hydrogen advanced drum machine site www.hydrogen-music.org??? There is a dancing Spiderman and a message saying "home of the popez
[13:37] <Gargravarr> Adro: probably been hacked, nothing us in #ubuntu can do about it
[13:37] <amis> Gargravarr, https://pastebin.com/ptE8g6cv
[13:37] <rajivmars> hi all. what is the command to install something from the snap store in ubuntu 18.04?
[13:38] <Gargravarr> rajivmars: sudo snap install <package>
[13:38] <rajivmars> Gargravarr, thanks
[13:38] <Adro> I thought that, too bad, thanks Gargravarr
[13:39] <Gargravarr> Adro: perfectly normal state for a site in the 2010s :)
[13:40] <rajivmars> Adro, why?
[13:40] <Gargravarr> amis: hmm, everything looks normal there. it seems to show the analog outputs. must be Pulse that isn't recognising it. unfortunately that's about where my knowledge ends
[13:41] <Rockwood> Gargravarr, what should i do here --> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=fxxook&s=9#.WuMoSXWFMx8
[13:41] <pai> where can I found the checksum of 18.04?
[13:42] <cfhowlett> !md5sum | pai
[13:42] <Gargravarr> Rockwood: considering it's a desktop distro, unless you have specifically modified it, you can Install the package maintainer's version
[13:42] <eclipse_> help
[13:42] <amis> Gargravarr, thanks. I'll try tinkering with it then until it magically works. Just like always :)
[13:42] <Gargravarr> !ask | eclipse_
[13:43] <Gargravarr> amis: try 'alsamixer' as a place to start. i can't recommend anything specific but it might point you in the right direction
[13:44] <Gargravarr> cfhowlett: shouldn't Ubuntu be using at least sha256sums by now?
[13:44] <cfhowlett> it does
[13:44] <Adro> rajivmars: I was trying to read some forum posts an such
[13:44] <cfhowlett> !info sha256
[13:45] <rajivmars> Adro,:)
[13:45] <crimson_king> Gargravarr, http://releases.ubuntu.com/bionic/
[13:45] <Gargravarr> crimson_king: fair enough, just that the bot's link specifically mentions MD5
[13:46] <crimson_king> !sha256sum
[13:47] <pai> where can I download the 18.04 minimal?
[13:49] <crimson_king> pai, the minimal install is an option within the normal installer
[13:49] <Gargravarr> pai: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/18.04/
[13:50] <Adro> rajivmars, I love it and use it a lot
[13:51] <rajivmars> Adro, nice
[13:51] <pai> oh ok thank you
[13:51] <leftyfb> Gargravarr: that's the netboot installer. Not really what they're asking.
[13:52] <Gargravarr> leftyfb: that's what i traditionally know as the minimal installer
[13:52]  * Gargravarr remembers now
[13:52] <Gargravarr> ...oh, 18.04 includes a Minimal install mode now, doesn't it
[13:52] <leftyfb> Gargravarr: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-18.04-Minimal-Desktop
[13:53] <krytarik> Since there is no separate image for the minimal install option,...
[13:53] <Gargravarr> fair enough. those of us who came to Ubuntu from Debian would probably make the same mistake :)
[13:54] <Gargravarr> pai: that isn't what you need, please download the standard ISO
[13:54] <Adro> rajivmars, you know it?
[13:55] <Rockwood> Gargravarr, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/z93RStshvn/  should i remove these ?
[13:55] <krytarik> Gargravarr: "download the 18.04 minimal" - so I think you made the right conclusion anyway.
[13:56] <Gargravarr> Rockwood: you don't need to ask me directly. and your paste does not tell me much. the answer is 'most likely'. these are packages that APT has identified will not be used by your new installation
[13:57] <nicolas17> de.archive.ubuntu.com seems to be down or intermittent
[13:57] <Rockwood> but in old may be
[13:57] <Rockwood> Gargravarr, sorry
[13:57] <transhuman> Hi! I am trying to fix a system. it cant find lib/modules/<kernel>/dkms anyone know how to install dkms packages , there is a very small package called dkms in repository, but its awful small and would have expected something bigger, this is a ubuntu 17.10 guest on a centos system under kvm...thanks in advance
[13:58] <Rockwood> should i remove those or not ?
[13:58] <Gargravarr> transhuman: DKMS is a system for building and installing kernel modules. DKMS itself is quite small, the modules that it builds are what are missing
[13:58] <MonkeyDust> nicolas17  works fine here
[13:58] <Gargravarr> Rockwood: without knowing what packages APT intends to remove, i can't say. does it list the packages it wants to remove?
[13:58] <pai> why Gargravarr
[13:59] <transhuman> Gargravarr, thanks for the reply, how do i tell what module it is thats missing, nothing shows in logs
[13:59] <nicolas17> 141.30.62.26 always works, the other IPs it resolves to work only sometimes
[13:59] <Gargravarr> pai: see comments above from leftyfb
[14:00] <Rockwood> from where i can see the list of those ?
[14:01] <Rockwood> Gargravarr, not related to php in the list
[14:01] <transhuman> grandfso, there is a dkms package for vmware and for virtualbox but I dont see one for kvm
[14:01] <Rockwood> nor for php neither mysql in it
[14:02] <Gargravarr> Rockwood: then i would say it is safe to say Yes
[14:02] <Rockwood> nah
[14:02] <Rockwood> my eye hows ignore php7.0-json php7.0-mbstring php7.0-mcrypt php7.0-mysql   php7.0-opcache php7.0-readline php7.0-xml python-magic
[14:03] <Rockwood> is it possible remove one by one ?
[14:03] <Gargravarr> Rockwood: and this is why asking us to answer a yes/no question for you may not actually help you :)
[14:04] <Rockwood> one by one removal is possible ?
[14:05] <tomreyn> nicolas17: /join #ubuntu-mirrors
[14:05] <Rockwood> i am again stuck on some thing
[14:07] <Rockwood> tomreyn, wb
[14:07] <Gargravarr> Rockwood: one by one, yes. answer No to that question, then 'apt-get remove <package1> <package2>...' etc.
[14:11] <pinnerup> After a fresh install of bionic (18.04) today, the computer stalls during boot, specifically on the splash screen with the progress dots just after the mouse pointer appears. It just hangs and does not respond to any input, I cannot switch to TTY's or anything. If I use "nomodeset" in GRUB, I can boot, but only with low resolution. Any idea what to do?
[14:11] <Gargravarr> pinnerup: nVidia GPU?
[14:12] <pinnerup> Gargravarr: I don't think so. It's an onboard GFX-thingie.
[14:12] <EriC^^> pinnerup: what does 'sudo ubuntu-drivers devices' give?
[14:12] <pinnerup> 'lspci' says '00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82Q35 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)'
[14:13] <pinnerup> EriC^^: Let me check.
[14:13] <Rockwood> means i can skip it
[14:13] <Rockwood> thanks Gargravarr and tomreyn
[14:14] <pinnerup> EriC^^: It gives literally no output.
[14:15] <zzarr> hello! I have a problem in 18.04, I have 3 monitors including the internal on the laptop, but Ubuntu don't remember the position and orientation of them
[14:15] <zzarr> not when I reboot I mean
[14:17] <ass-hao> night
[14:25] <pinnerup> EriC^^ / Gargravarr: I just installed lightdm, and now it boots fine. I guess the problem is caused by gdm.
[14:25] <khaos> hi any idea how to solve the following : "Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.27-3ubuntu1) ...
[14:26] <khaos> /sbin/ldconfig.real: Warning: ignoring configuration file that cannot be opened: /etc/ld.so.conf.d/i386-linux-gnu_EGL.conf: No such file or directory"
[14:26] <MonkeyDust> zzarr  is this useful (14.04) ... http://calgorithms.com/blog/2014/07/30/fixing-multiple-monitor-position-in-ubuntu-gnome-14-dot-04/
[14:29] <rtp2342> khaos: look to me more like a warning
[14:31] <rtp2342> khaos: if you just want to suppress the message, you could create the file with zero length: sudo touch /etc/ld.so.conf.d/i386-linux-gnu_EGL.conf
[14:31] <khaos> @rtp2342 yes it appears when I install something from the package manager: https://pastebin.com/Lr1ty6mN can i solve it?
[14:31] <khaos> rtp2342, ok! i will do it as you can see in my above pastebin there are two files
[14:32] <rtp2342> khaos: does this happen during any package install?
[14:32] <khaos> rtp2342, yes but now after creating null files its gone
[14:33] <khaos> rtp2342, i did the dirty fix :p
[14:34] <khaos> rtp2342, ty
[14:34] <ELFrederich> just installed 18.04, any idea how I can bind a keyboard/mouse combo to move a window?  On Gnome or Cinnamon I knot here are always ways to set ALT+Left Mouse Drag  or CTRL+Left Mouse Drag to move a window
[14:34] <ELFrederich> ... without going all the way to the top bar to grab, you can grab anywhere in the window
[14:36] <tda> when i used startup disc creator in 14.04 to make an installer from 18.04 live server, the installer kept failing verification near the end. did any one else encounter this? or did the other version of the installer work?
[14:36] <MonkeyDust> ELFrederich  alt-F7
[14:38] <Rockwood> now i wanna install mysql 5.7 version my ubuntu 18.04
[14:39] <Rockwood> any active to help me
[14:41] <Rockwood> help me guyz please
[14:41] <MonkeyDust> !info mysql-client bionic
[14:41] <Gargravarr> Rockwood: please google for installation instructions. there are many tutorials online
[14:42] <ELFrederich> MonkeyDust, that works, but I was looking a keyboard button to use in combination with a mouse drag
[14:42] <Rockwood> but they didn't write anything about version
[14:42] <ELFrederich> MonkeyDust, ahh... found it, it's "Super" key by default
[14:42] <ELFrederich> I installed gnome-tweak-tool
[14:43] <Gargravarr> Rockwood: because there are few significant differences in installation between point-revisions e.g. 5.5 vs 5.7
[14:43] <Rockwood> https://websiteforstudents.com/install-phpmyadmin-apache2-and-mysql-on-ubuntu-18-04-lts-beta-server/ i found this but mysql version is not mentioned
[14:43] <Gargravarr> ^ for the reason mentioned above
[14:44] <Gargravarr> 'mysql-server' and 'mysql-client' are essentially aliases to the current 'stable' version for that release
[14:46] <pragmaticenigma> Rockwood: We only support the MySQL versions that are provided within the Ubuntu Package Repositories. That is why the tutorials do not mention version numbers
[14:47] <pragmaticenigma> !info mysql-common bionic | Rockwood
[14:48] <pragmaticenigma> !info mysql-serer bionic
[14:48] <pragmaticenigma> !info mysql-server bionic
[14:52] <tda> what is the difference between the live-server and server iso? which one is supposed to be used for a usb installer. it looks like both are too big to burn to cd
[14:52] <davison> Looking for some help.  Colleague upgraded from 16.xx to 18, and doesn't have settings available to make dock visible
[14:53] <davison> in the settings tab, the `dock` menu is completely blank...no auto hide option or anything
[14:53] <davison> ensured that he's logged in with an Ubuntu (not Ubuntu Wayland or Unity) session
[14:55] <rytry> Hello. I'm using 17.10, shouldn't I have been prompted to upgrade by now?
[14:57] <EriC^^> rytry: maybe it's just when 18.04.1 gets released
[14:57] <EriC^^> sudo do-release-upgrade -d should work though
[14:57] <rytry> hmm
[14:57] <rytry> Well I'll wait a couple more days
[14:57] <rytry> thanks
[14:58] <Rockwood> thanks now i am feeling bit safer side
[15:00] <pragmaticenigma> rytry: the best thing to do is wait for it, Ideally, waiting until 18.04.1 is best since major bugs will have been fixed (schedule for July)
[15:02] <rytry> Alright, thanks =)
[15:03] <Asad2005> ubuntu 18.04 wired network not working please help
[15:03] <Rockwood> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/23s2V4fwCX/  why its not asked password for set
[15:04] <Rockwood> on this command  sudo apt install mysql-server mysql-client
[15:05] <BluesKaj> Asad2005, is this a VM?
[15:05] <nemo_> a
[15:05] <nemo_> test
[15:05] <BluesKaj> nemo_, yes we see you
[15:05] <pragmaticenigma> Rockwood: The newer install has a feature where you use the unix socket to communicate with the server doesn't require a password... you can then add users for external access
[15:06] <Rockwood> actually i am using phpmyadmin
[15:06] <pikapika> Is it normal for the Ubuntu version reported by uname -a to be in discrepancy with /etc/issue, hostnamectl, etc?
[15:07] <Rockwood> and i am unable access from there
[15:07] <pikapika> uname says its 16.04.1 all the latter state 16.04.4
[15:08] <MonkeyDust> pikapika  upgrade the kernel
[15:09] <TJ-> pikapika: uname is showing the *build system* release (the system the kernel image was built on)
[15:09] <Asad2005> BluesKaj: no
[15:09] <tomreyn> pikapika: uname -a reports the kernel version, not the ubuntu release version (though an ubuntu release verison may be found in a kernel version string)
[15:10] <TJ-> pikapika: e.g. I'm on 18.04 but it's kernel was built on a 16.04.1 host: "Linux T300CHI 4.15.0-13-lowlatency #14~16.04.1-Ubuntu "
[15:10] <pikapika> So that means the kernel is older and uname is telling me the one that was available during that time, and the rest are showing the actual number?
[15:10] <BluesKaj> Asad2005, is the OS totally installed?
[15:12] <pikapika> Er and any information about the kernel upgrade process? I'm afraid this thing is new to me
[15:12] <Asad2005> BluesKaj: actually the os was on a system with an old pc then transfered to the new pc network is connecting to my router but no internet
[15:12] <pragmaticenigma> Rockwood: Setup phpmyadmin to use Unix Socket instead
[15:12] <TJ-> pikapika: what does uname actually show? it shows the kernel version followed by a # then the *build system* that was used to build the kernel
[15:12] <FurretUber> Hi, I have noticed I have a few .crash files in /var/crash that weren't uploaded. Two are from external repositories. Is there a way to upload the five .crash files from official repositories?
[15:12] <TJ-> pikapika: "16.0.41" is *not* a kernel kernel version
[15:13] <pikapika> Linux person 4.13.0-39-generic #44~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Thu Apr 5 16:43:10 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:13] <pikapika> This is what it says
[15:13] <TJ-> pikapika: so the running kernel version is 4.13.0-39-generic which was built on an ubuntu 16.04.1 host
[15:13] <pikapika> Oh okay
[15:13] <Asad2005> BluesKaj: the software updater says system uptodate
[15:13] <pikapika> I think I understand now
[15:14] <BluesKaj> Asad2005, run sudo dhclient in the console too see if that will connect
[15:14] <BluesKaj> to see rather
[15:14] <Gargravarr> BluesKaj: sudo dhclient <eth0>
[15:14] <TJ-> pikapika: :) the Ubuntu build servers will never be running the most recent release, they are built for stability and predictability, so the build OS version will always show an older release
[15:15] <BluesKaj> Gargravarr, sudo dhclient works
[15:15] <Gargravarr> BluesKaj: really? it usually tells me to specify the interface
[15:16] <pikapika> Another question, I currently wont upgrade, but when a higher point release is available...will apt-get dist-upgrade take me to the new LTS or just whichever is the latest? I prefer to go from current LTS to new LTS
[15:16] <BluesKaj> never seen that Gargravarr , just file exists
[15:16] <Gargravarr> (that's a surprised 'really?' not a disbelieving 'really?' btw :)
[15:17] <Gargravarr> pikapika: when 18.04.1 is released, do-release-upgrade will upgrade you
[15:17] <tda> pikapika: it will take you to the next one, not current. i don't think theres an upgrade path to skip
[15:17] <BluesKaj> Gargravarr, but your eth0 oprion probly works too. I just never tried that.
[15:17] <pikapika> tda, no I mean will it take me to the lts even if say 18.10 normal version is available?
[15:17] <pikapika> I dont want the non lts one
[15:18] <Gargravarr> pikapika: if you are on an LTS release (which 16.04 is), by default do-release-upgrade will only offer you the next LTS release
[15:18] <pikapika> Ok
[15:18] <Gargravarr> apt-get dist-upgrade requires you to manually set the sources.list to the relevant release
[15:19] <Gargravarr> do-release-upgrade will handle everything for you
[15:19] <pikapika> Thanks, I didnt know about do-release-upgrade before now
[15:19] <Rockwood> what is the motive of sudo mysql_secure_installation ?
[15:19] <Gargravarr> if you have Ubuntu on a graphical machine, it will also appear in the update manager when 18.04.1 is released
[15:20] <yetitwo> hello! i'm wanting to upgrade to 18.04, and the release date has theoretically passed, but I haven't received a notification of a new release being available and `sudo do-release-upgrade` tells me that no new release is available. I'm on 17.10. is there something I'm missing?
[15:20] <Gargravarr> yetitwo: literally just mentioned, do-release-upgrade will only offer it when it reaches the .1 release
[15:20] <Gargravarr> if you want to upgrade, you'll need to pass the -d flag to do-release-upgrade
[15:20] <Rockwood> yetitwo, dont forget to use -d at the end
[15:21] <yetitwo> Gargravarr: I just hopped on the channel. Got it. I didn't realize that this was considered a dev release. Thanks!
[15:21] <Gargravarr> Rockwood: there is a reason that flag is optional, it should not be used unless you know what it means
[15:21] <Gargravarr> yetitwo: not so much 'dev' any more, but LTS standard practise is to hold off until the first point release
[15:22] <Rockwood> i am in trouble now
[15:22] <Rockwood> my phpmyadmin is not working now
[15:22] <yetitwo> so it's behaving differently because i'm currently on an LTS release?
[15:22] <Gargravarr> yetitwo: this is correct
[15:22] <Rockwood> how can make it back on track
[15:23] <Gargravarr> Rockwood: PHPMyAdmin uses TCP/IP to communicate with MySQL server, so it seems the Unix socket auth pragmaticenigma mentioned will not work with it until you set up user accounts. you will need to use the mysql command-line application to add a user
[15:23] <Rockwood> okay adding
[15:23] <yetitwo> that's frustrating. does the `-d` flag knock me off of the LTS release cycle? I understand that there are stability differences between LTS and non-LTS, and i'm not as concerned about those, as this is a personal machine. Is there anything else that `-d` implies?
[15:25] <Gargravarr> yetitwo: my current understanding is that it links to 'devel', which is equivalent to 'testing' in Debian. at the moment, 'devel' is still Bionic. it will become 18.10 eventually
[15:25] <yetitwo> got it. thanks!
[15:25] <BluesKaj> yetitwo, not if you have LTS only flag enabled in your package manager the -d won't matter
[15:26] <yetitwo> BluesKaj: where would I check that?
[15:26] <Kon-> Hey, I'm doing a clean install of Kubuntu on an MBR/BIOS system and at the end of the installation it tells me 'grub-efi' failed to install. Did it try to do an UEFI install?
[15:26] <BluesKaj> yetitwo,  your package manager
[15:27] <BluesKaj> software center or whatever ubuntu calls it these days
[15:27] <Gargravarr> you can also check in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[15:27] <TJ-> Kon-: apparently yes!
[15:28] <waltman> I'm running 17.10. By default am I also waiting for .1 before I'm prompted to install 18.04?
[15:28] <Kon-> How can I force it to install for BIOS/MBR?
[15:28] <TJ-> Kon-: is the system actual UEFI but (you thought) it booted in CSM/Legacy mode?
[15:28] <tomreyn> waltman: no, but a few more days
[15:28] <Kon-> In my BIOS settings it says that Legacy mode is enabled. I also have a working MBR install of Win7 in the system
[15:29] <waltman> tomreyn: Ah, ok. I saw this but thought I'd check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_16.04_LTS_or_17.10
[15:29] <tomreyn> waltman: the idea is to make sure 18.04 gets positive feedback from new installations before upgraders are also pushed to it
[15:29] <Gargravarr> Kon-: interesting. you may need to drop to a TTY and install grub-legacy manually
[15:29] <waltman> tomreyn: Makes sense!
[15:30] <waltman> Another question -- is the -d flag the --download-only flag to apt-get, or is it something different?
[15:30] <BluesKaj> Kon-, the you shouldn't need uefi unless your partition table is gpt
[15:30] <pragmaticenigma> Gargravarr, : for future reference you are able to setup phpmyadmin with socket. In the config file you set cfg['Servers'][$i]['socket'] https://docs.phpmyadmin.net/en/latest/config.html#cfg_Servers_socket
[15:31] <tomreyn> waltman: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man8/do-release-upgrade.8.html
[15:31] <BluesKaj> the=then
[15:31] <waltman> I don't think I'm going to force it. Just curious about the process and if I'm reading the right manpage.
[15:31] <Gargravarr> waltman: if you want to download the .deb of a package, use apt-gte download
[15:31] <Kon-> BluesKaj: Yes, I think the installer didn't detect my setup properly
[15:31] <TJ-> Kon-: right, but it's a UEFI system, and its boot menu will offer both UEFI and Legacy boot options for removable media, or ot may prefer the UEFI mode for hybrid media such as the Ubuntu ISOs
[15:31] <Gargravarr> pragmaticenigma: i suspected it might be possible, but i seemed to remember it used IP by default. thanks
[15:31] <waltman> tomreyn: thanks again!
[15:31] <TJ-> Kon-: the installer has no say in it. It will install GRUB appropriate to how the installer image was booted by firmware
[15:32] <pragmaticenigma> Gargravarr: yeah, be default it's setup to use the TCP method, annoying since the default install of MySQL now uses the socket connection for root access
[15:32] <Gargravarr> Kon-: the easy way to tell - when you first ran the installer, was the first screen black or purple?
[15:32] <Kon-> TJ-: Can I troubleshoot this in BIOS or do I need to install GRUB manually?
[15:32] <Gargravarr> black = UEFI, purple = BIOS
[15:32] <pragmaticenigma> Gargravarr: there is a plugin to remove that restores older authentication methods, I just don't recall what the plugin name is
[15:32] <waltman> I see, there are several ways to do the upgrade.
[15:32] <Kon-> Gargravarr: The first screen for the LiveUSB, or the first screen after clicking "Install Kubuntu?"
[15:32] <johndoe00_> Hey guys, I just installed Spotify via Snap but I can't seem to find it on the desktop or the menu, so each time I need to run from the terminal. Does anyone know the path of the executable file?
[15:33] <Gargravarr> for the LiveUSB
[15:33] <Vamp898> Hi there, question about the linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04. This is a 4.13 Kernel which is EOL since November 2017. How is it updated by the maintainer? There are a few thousands of contributors on a kernel release, i doubt the Ubuntu Devs can take over that work so what work is done and what not?
[15:33] <Kon-> Good question. Probably closer to black
[15:33] <TJ-> Kon-: if the ISO is booted in UEFI mode it uses GRUB, and you see the grub menu and title (black with white text)... in BIOS/LEgacy mode it uses syslinux/isolinux which has a purple-themed splash screen/menu
[15:34] <Kon-> Oh, that
[15:34] <nicomachus> I have a MATE 16.04 install that seems to have a VERY slow download speed in apt. Only in apt. Speedtest on it shows 90-100Mbps up and down, but apt is averaging closer to 70kbps download. which means it took 10 minutes to install the chromium-browser package... Any idea why apt would be bottlenecked like that when the system is getting perfectly good speeds otherwise?
[15:34] <Kon-> It used GRUB when the LiveCD launched
[15:34] <Kon-> Interesting
[15:34] <enyc> nicomachus: could it be your ubunut-mirror just VERY busy now with too many people doing 18.04 updates/installs?
[15:34] <Gargravarr> nicomachus: which country are you in and which mirrors are you using?
[15:34] <rcl> hi folks - a silly question: why do-release-upgrade on 17.10 says "No new release found" ?
[15:35] <johndoe00_> Hey guys, I just installed Spotify via Snap but I can't seem to find it on the desktop or the menu, so each time I need to run from the terminal. Does anyone know the path of the executable file?
[15:35] <nicomachus> I'm in the US and it's default mirrors...
[15:35] <enyc> rcl: possibly, its not supposed to offer 18.04 yet, possibly not until 18.04.1 is out.
[15:35] <nicomachus> enyc: this has been over the last few days, so I'm not sure if it's 18.04 related but could be I suppose.
[15:35] <TJ-> Kon-: if you're using the "Try Ubuntu" method, or have got the installer menu option to drop to a shell, you can manually install "grub-pc"
[15:35] <tomreyn> Vamp898: it's EOL upstream, not ubuntu's. security patches are backported, not functional ones.
[15:35] <Gargravarr> rcl: early adopters are still giving feedback before it goes to general release
[15:35] <enyc> rcl: "do-release-upgrade -d" will almost certainly allow it.  question is if this is a good idea.
[15:35] <rcl> enyc: ah thanks. I didn't know that
[15:35] <rcl> gotcha
[15:35] <Gargravarr> enyc: the .1 restriction is for LTS folks
[15:35] <raul_> hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[15:35] <enyc> Gargravarr: yes, hence my "possibly"
[15:36] <raul_> topuuuuuuuuu
[15:36] <Gargravarr> enyc: i saw, just clarifying :)
[15:36] <nicomachus> raul_: stop.
[15:36] <raul_> uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[15:36] <Kon-> TJ-: Just through apt-get? And how do I specify the location to install GRUB?
[15:36] <enyc> rcl: still, if your 17.10 is working for you and its' an important-system i'd be tempted to leave it some weeks or so, possibly not until 18.04.1 out (2018-07-something??)
[15:36] <Kon-> I'm typing this from the LiveCD right now, so I have the shell
[15:36] <Gargravarr> Kon-: 'apt-get install grub-pc; grub-install --target=bios /dev/sda' <- adapt the latter as necessary
[15:37] <Gargravarr> ah, in the live environment, you will need to chroot
[15:37] <Kon-> Thanks Gargravarr, I did want /dev/sda anyway
[15:37] <raul_> i dont have the password of my pc heeeeeeeeelp
[15:37] <Kon-> Hmm
[15:37] <Gargravarr> Kon-: here's what you need to do:
[15:37] <johndoe00_> Hey guys, I just installed Spotify via Snap but I can't seem to find it on the desktop or the menu, so each time I need to run from the terminal. Does anyone know the path of the executable file?
[15:37] <rcl> enyc: thanks, I will. I have some other machines to install 18.04. I was trying to estimate how fast 18.04 will spread (relevant for UE4 support)
[15:37] <TJ-> Kon-: as long as you know the installation device, it'd be "sudo apt install grub-pc" and it's auto-configure script should pop up a menu offering all the possible bootabnle devices, where you use space-bar to check the appropriate entries. If that doesn't happen then e.g. "sudo grub-install /dev/sdX; sudo update-grub" will do it
[15:38] <rcl> enyc: it's helpful to know that the prompts to upgrade are going to be somewhat delayed
[15:38] <enyc> rcl: yes, but not sure when until...
[15:38] <enyc> rcl: [for 17.10 users]
[15:38] <Gargravarr> mount /dev/sda1 <or whatever your rootFS is> /mnt; mount /dev/sda2 <if you have a separate boot device> /mnt/boot; mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev; mount -o bind /sys /mnt/sys; mount -o bind /proc /mnt/proc; chroot /mnt; apt-get install grub-pc...
[15:38] <raul_> help me pleasee read the message up
[15:38] <enyc> rcl: apparently 16.04.x users will be suggested update at the same date as 18.04.1
[15:38] <Gargravarr> !patience | raul_
[15:39] <raul_> im spanish
[15:39] <nicomachus> raul_: try ##security
[15:39] <Gargravarr> !es | raul_
[15:39] <johndoe00_> Hey guys, I just installed Spotify via Snap but I can't seem to find it on the desktop or the menu, so each time I need to run from the terminal. Does anyone know the path of the executable file?
[15:39] <Gargravarr> !patience | johndoe00_
[15:39] <Kon-> I just opened the partition manager and noticed it did install, but nothing is mounted. My intended / is mounted to /target and has a lock icon on it
[15:39] <rcl> would anyone know what nvidia (binary) drivers are suggested by default in 18.04 ?
[15:39] <Kon-> "it" being the distro
[15:39] <enyc> johndoe00_: since you know the command, use the 'which' command
[15:40] <nicomachus> johndoe00_: if it's open, you should be able to lock the icon onto your dock (if you use one).
[15:40] <enyc> rcl: i suspcet it depends on the video card ...  question mori is what are included in ubuntu-packaging...
[15:40] <j1mc> the 18.04 release notes direct people to use the beta-2 installer if they want to install a server which uses LVM or RAID . . . but the image for beta 2 no longer exists on cdimage.ubuntu.com (i.e., the link they provide is dead). Where should I file a bug for this (under which project)?
[15:40] <Vamp898> tomreyn: but what security patches are backported? All of them?
[15:41] <j1mc> `Server installer
[15:41] <j1mc> The next generation Subiquity server installer, brings the comfortable live session and speedy install of Ubuntu Desktop to server users at last.
[15:41] <j1mc> N.B., If you require LVM, RAID, multipath, vlans, bonds, or the ability to re-using existing partitions, you will want to continue to use the alternate installer which can be downloaded from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/18.04/beta-2/`
[15:41] <tomreyn> nicomachus: maybe you are using a busy (or generally slow) mirror? also, right now, with many people upgrading, mirrors are probably more busy than usually.
[15:41] <Gargravarr> Kon-: ah, if /target is still mounted, that makes things simpler. if you open up Terminal and type 'mount', does it show /target as ro or rw?
[15:41] <enyc> j1mc: thats a very good question, might just be outdated link
[15:41] <rcl> enyc: right you are. Let me rephrase: would you know what is the latest nvidia-xxx driver version that one can install in 18.04 without resorting to adding PPAs ?
[15:41] <nicomachus> tomreyn: as I said above, this has been happening over the last few days. and their ARM packages so that shouldn't be slowed by the general LTS upgrade business
[15:41] <nicomachus> s/their/they're/
[15:42] <Gargravarr> nicomachus: if it's all on the same server, it can be
[15:42] <enyc> j1mc: might be that 'alternate installer' IS -server- image, or maybe not...  you might ask in #ubuntu-release, or they might say "no release is dona already don't ask here ;p"
[15:42] <TJ-> Kon-: right, so you need to 'chroot' into /target/ - as in "for n in proc sys dev dev/pts /etc/resolv.conf; do sudo mount --bind /$n /target/$n; done" then "chroot /target" and *then* "apt install grub-pc" possibly followed by "grub-install /dev/sdX; update-grub" then "exit" back to installer and "for n in etc/resolv.conf dev/pts dev sys proc; do sudo umount --lazy /target/$n; done"
[15:42] <enyc> nicomachus: yes it might slow  because all sharing the same package server
[15:43] <Gargravarr> nicomachus: try a different mirror. if you open up Software Sources, there is an option in there to select the fastest mirror
[15:43] <Kon-> TJ-: Gargravarr /dev/sda3 on /target type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered
[15:43] <j1mc> enyc - thanks for your reply. the beta-2 installer was there yesterday . . . appears to have been removed as part of the release (which would normally make sense).
[15:43] <Gargravarr> Kon-: okay, good. i wasn't sure what the padlock logo meant
[15:43] <Gargravarr> Kon-: TJ- has posted some very clear instructions, i recommend using those
[15:43] <enyc> j1mc: still tempted to asu nicely in #ubuntu-release  somebody from right teams might be there.
[15:43] <johndoe00_> nicomachus: I'm using ubuntu mini with LXQt
[15:43] <enyc> j1mc: even though release is done, be respectful =)
[15:44] <j1mc> that particular issue is particular to the server only.
[15:44] <nicomachus> johndoe00_: ok?
[15:44] <Kon-> Gargravarr: There was also 30-something lines of tmpfs and cgroup - normal?
[15:44] <Kon-> When I ran mount
[15:44] <Gargravarr> perfectly normal
[15:44] <Gargravarr> Ubuntu makes good use of tmpfs (RAM disks)
[15:44] <j1mc> ok - i will give that a try.  thank you.
[15:44] <Kon-> Alright, thanks
[15:44] <TJ-> Kon-: in your case your grub-install command would be: "grub-install /dev/sda" (note: *not* /dev/sda3 !)
[15:44] <johndoe00_> nicomachus: I can't lock the icon to the dock
[15:45] <nicomachus> johndoe00_: ah, ok. the path should be /snap/bin/spotify
[15:45] <Kon-> TJ-: How do I get into chroot?
[15:45] <MoL0ToV> howto disable efi install mode when installing ubuntu from a usb stick?
[15:45] <Gargravarr> Kon-: make sure you have mounted all the things TJ- said first, then 'chroot /target'
[15:46] <TJ-> Kon-: ^^ as above ^^ follow those commands *exactly*
[15:46] <johndoe00_> nicomachus: thanks
[15:46] <MoL0ToV> installation fails woth efi
[15:46] <TJ-> Kon-: I gave you the exact working commands
[15:46] <Rockwood> i added a user now can i use phpmyadmin ?
[15:46] <Gargravarr> Rockwood: try it
[15:47] <tomreyn> Vamp898: hopefully so. https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/linux-hwe.html
[15:48] <Gargravarr> Vamp898: the LTS kernels receive security updates for 5 years after the OS release
[15:48] <Gargravarr> they don't get new features though
[15:49] <Rockwood> my phpmyadmin theme is going and its shows something like http://dpaste.com/20PX325
[15:49] <Rockwood> gone
[15:49] <tomreyn> Vamp898: search http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-hwe/linux-hwe_4.13.0-39.44~16.04.1/changelog for "CVE"
[15:49] <MoL0ToV> howto disable efi install mode when installing ubuntu from a usb stick?
[15:49] <MoL0ToV> installation fails woth efi
[15:49] <Kon-> TJ-: After the first set of commands, I tried to get into /target and -- chroot: cannot change root directory to '/target': Operation not permitted
[15:49] <Rockwood> what should eb the cause abt it
[15:49] <Rockwood> be
[15:49] <Gargravarr> MoL0ToV: you will need to get into your BIOS. how you do this depends entirely on your computer. you may need to search for instructions
[15:49] <Kon-> Oh, I guess I need to sudo it
[15:50] <TJ-> Kon-: sorry, yes, "sudo ..." required
[15:50] <TJ-> Kon-: I'm so used to doing those operations in containers where I'm 'root' already (I test commands I'm giving in IRC in a container) I forgot to add 'sudo' for you
[15:51] <Rockwood> how can i get it back ?
[15:51] <Rockwood> my phpmyadmin is crashed
[15:51] <Rockwood> lol
[15:51] <Gargravarr> Rockwood: for problems with PHPMyAdmin, please start here: https://www.phpmyadmin.net/support/
[15:51] <nicomachus> the rpi-update process on this machine is going just as slowly as apt... hmm... that's a completely different mirror and AFAIK doesn't use apt.
[15:51] <Gargravarr> nicomachus: maybe your ISP is throttling you
[15:52] <nicomachus> Gargravarr: doubtful. :)
[15:53] <Vamp898> I dont really understand that. There is an 4.14 LTS Kernel and the HWE kernels are 4.13 and 4.15.... it looks like this was done on purpose
[15:53] <Vamp898> Like you can get verything _but_ an LTS Kernel :D
[15:53] <Gargravarr> Vamp898: welcome to Linux :)
[15:53] <Kon-> TJ-: I installed GRUB to /dev/sda in its installer, and then apt finished up. But at the end it gave me "Adding boot menu entry for EFI firmware configuration"
[15:53] <Kon-> W: APT had planned for dpkg to do more than it reported back (21 vs 25).
[15:53] <Kon->    Affected packages: shim-signed:amd64
[15:54] <TJ-> Kon-: did you do "apt install grub-pc" first? Because that should have forced removal of grub-efi packages
[15:54] <Vamp898> Gargravarr: You mean welcome to ubuntu :D i am doing this for a customer, i am actually a senior gentoo admin
[15:54] <Gargravarr> Kon-: uh-oh :) if you do fdisk -l /dev/sda, what does it show the partition table as?
[15:54] <Vamp898> Gargravarr: there i can just choose whatever kernel i want
[15:54] <Kon-> TJ-: Yes, when I got into chroot I only ran install grub-pc
[15:55] <Kon-> Gargravarr: Disklabel type: dos
[15:55] <TJ-> Kon-: that is rather strange since those packages conflict. Can you do (in the chroot) "apt install pastebinit" then "pastebinit <( apt list grub* )"
[15:56] <Kon-> TJ-: Gargravarr http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SR2kTbtcnF/
[15:57] <Kon-> No grub-pc
[15:57] <Kon-> Wait, it is there
[15:57] <Kon-> I have both grub-pc and grub-efi
[15:58] <TJ-> Kon-: OK, I see what the issue is. In the chroot "apt purge grub-efi-amd64-bin grub-efi-amd64"
[15:59] <TJ-> Kon-: then redo "grub-install /dev/sda" and it /should/ be correctly done
[15:59] <Gargravarr> Vamp898: with a slight risk of https://xkcd.com/456/
[15:59] <j1mc> enyc: that server / installer url issue is fixed. thanks for directing me to the right spot!
[16:00] <Kon-> TJ-: shim-signed was purged but not shim. It's no longer required. Get rid of it?
[16:00] <Vamp898> Gargravarr: :D :D :D
[16:00] <TJ-> Kon-: sure, that's for UEFI Secure Boot support
[16:01] <Gargravarr> UEFI - one of those things that really introduces far more problems than it solves...
[16:01] <Kon-> And TJ- does grub-efi use the same conf files as grub-pc? I got 2 instances of
[16:01] <Kon-> Association belongs to grub-pc, not grub-efi-amd64;Aborting
[16:03] <TJ-> Kon-: hmmm, looks like the two modes of GRUB have got confused. Within the chroot I'm now thinking it'd be simpler to purge all grub related packages and then install grub-pc 'cleanly' - want to do that?
[16:03] <milehigh> Hey guys, I have a system with a couple Geforce 1050 and a NVS310 in it, and was trying to install 16.04, desktop version would install but then when booted my monitor would say no signal, installed server version, configured nvidia drivers, and installed destop packages
[16:03] <TJ-> Kon-: I've never had issues with the 2 side-by-side and I'm a grub developer, so not quite sure why you see that issue.
[16:03] <milehigh> now when I login, I get the desktop background but no menus/panels/etc., what can I check?
[16:04] <enyc> milehigh: very good question, i dn't know.
[16:04] <enyc> milehigh: I'd be *tempted* to just install 18.04 now, it *might* just fix your issue.
[16:04] <Kon-> TJ-: I just ran grub-install and the only status update was to say there were no errors
[16:05] <milehigh> enyc: not possible unfortunately
[16:05] <Kon-> But do I really want the i386-platform? I thought that was 32-bit
[16:05] <enyc> milehigh: NVS thingie no longer supported?
[16:05] <milehigh> enyc: no, 16.04 is a strict requirement from above
[16:05] <trekkie1701c> Unless you have a really old computer you probably want AMD64
[16:05] <enyc> milehigh: this sort of thing is why i finalyl just found an ATI card that does my 3-deahs and rotation ok-enough with no funny driver dependencies ;p.
[16:05] <TJ-> Kon-: Yay! that's what we want. If you want to see all the gory details you could run that with the "--verbose" option but there's a LOT gets reported
[16:05] <andreww> hi everyone, i'm trying to configure 2 network interfaces on a virtual box vm with ubuntu server 18.04 with netplan. One interface is NAT with dhcp to reach internet, the other is host-only. Host is Win 10 , guest is ubuntu server 18.04. Thanks
[16:05] <TJ-> Kon-: do a "update-grub" just to be sure
[16:06] <Kon-> TJ-: seems I still have grub-efi http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vQg4zYMNJS/
[16:06] <Kon-> A different version now
[16:06] <TJ-> Kon-: you might also want to remove the Ubuntu entry from the system'd UEFI boot menu too, use "efibootmgr -v" to see if it is there
[16:06] <trekkie1701c> andreww:  I've only had luck if they have a separate subnet, but otherwise it works out of the box.
[16:06] <Gargravarr> Kon-: 'i386' is just a legacy naming convention, it'll work fine with x64
[16:06] <zuhaitz> Hi, I upgraded Ubuntu 16.04 to 18.04 and I cant have my nvidia card working, only intel. My nvidia is GM108M / M840, I tried nvidia-390, nvidia-340, but no way... Any known reason please?
[16:06] <zuhaitz> Please :(
[16:07] <Gargravarr> zuhaitz: what happens when you try to use the GPU, do you get any output, blank screen, freeze?
[16:07] <TJ-> Kon-: no you're fine - notice the only packages marked [installed] are for grub-pc or common. Use "apt list --installed grub*" to filter the list to just installed packages
[16:07] <zuhaitz> Gargravarr, gdm restarts continously
[16:07] <zuhaitz> with blacn screens, then tty, continuously
[16:07] <Kon-> TJ-: I just did update-grub and it gives me "Adding boot menu entry for EFI firmware configuration
[16:08] <Gargravarr> Kon-: deja-vu...
[16:08] <andreww> trekkie1701c: what do you mean? they are pretty separate things...my host only network has NO dhcp and static address of 192.168.71.1. I want to give the address 192.168.71.20 to my second interface enp0s8
[16:08] <[itchy]> hey, i'm trying to install latex on ubuntu and running into some errors. https://pastebin.com/r8pY0hHR i tried apt-get update and apt-get -f install. i've also tried various versions of latex as recommended by the #latex channel
[16:08] <enyc> zuhaitz: what nvidia-??? did you have before?
[16:08] <zuhaitz> 304
[16:08] <[itchy]> uname -a gives me this Latitude-E6430 4.13.0-26-generic #29~16.04.2-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jan 9 22:00:44 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[16:08] <TJ-> Kon-: show us "pastebinit <( efibootmgr -v )" so we can create a command to remove the entry, then we can deal with stopping that happening
[16:08] <zuhaitz> enyc, 304
[16:09] <lars_t_h_> andrew, you would be better off to go to https://ubuntuforeums.org and ask you question there as you question requires more information and responses with a lot of text.
[16:09] <enyc> zuhaitz: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/340.102/README/supportedchips.html
[16:09] <enyc> zuhaitz: is your cart supported with 340 driver?
[16:09] <Kon-> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mBSj499SsN/
[16:09] <lars_t_h_> andrew, typo in link, use: https://ubuntuforums.org/
[16:09] <andreww> lars_t_h_: ok, thanks
[16:09] <nicomachus> andreww: you can also try ##networking. This channel is just very full today
[16:09] <Atomix2> hey, I'm having an issue with what I can assume is alsa. Headphone volume doesn't actually control the headphone volume, PCM does, and I don't know what PCM is
[16:10] <TJ-> Kon-: well, Ubuntu isn't there in the boot menu so that's good.
[16:10] <nicomachus> Atomix2: pulse control module, IIRC
[16:10] <Gargravarr> Atomix2: PCM is a generic name for analog audio
[16:10] <enyc> zuhaitz: that same page shows you the 304.xx and so on older driver lists  too...
[16:10] <Kon-> And here I have no idea what I'm looking at. Is this Ubuntu's EFI manager, or my motherboard's entries?
[16:10] <Kon-> TJ-:
[16:10] <zuhaitz> enyc, is there in the list: GeForce 840M	0x1341	E
[16:10] <enyc> zuhaitz: okies. thats a godo start.
[16:10] <enyc> zuhaitz: I don't know!
[16:11] <h8v8> is there a supported method for upgrading from 17.10 to 18.04 yet? If so, what is it?
[16:11] <enyc> zuhaitz: i do know 18.04 is only JSUT out and i wouldn't upgrade a working 16.04 system until 18.04.1 myself.
[16:11] <Atomix2> well, neither of the headphone volumes actually adjust the headphone volume. PCM controls the headphone volume, and when the master volume is 0, I still get headphone volume if it isn't actually muted
[16:11] <Gargravarr> h8v8: please wait a few days. early adopters are giving feedback for the time being
[16:11] <enyc> h8v8: sort-of, you can "sudo do-release-upgrade -d" BUT you may be better to wait for some weeks/month , let 18.04 get teething-problems out the way.
[16:11] <zuhaitz> enyc, so I should return again and reinstall?
[16:11] <zuhaitz> ufff
[16:11] <zuhaitz> :|
[16:11] <enyc> zuhaitz: maybe, you MAY find a solution
[16:12] <TJ-> Kon-: those are the entries in the motherboard's UEFI boot menu. The OS asks the firmware to add an entry there using 'efibootmgr'
[16:12] <enyc> zuhaitz: the do-release-upgrade shouldn't have offered you 18.04 yet
[16:12] <andreww> nicomachus: thanks!
[16:12] <Kon-> And now I have to purge grub-efi again and run update-grub one more time? TJ- Sorry for the pings, but this is out of my depth. I didn't even know think I had UEFI support on this machine. It's Ivy Bridge
[16:12] <zuhaitz> enyc, Im journalist and 3d animator, I need 3D Maya to work so I need nvidia working... XD
[16:12] <h8v8> enyc: Thanks, Im actually testing it, so im hoping to see problems if they exist. thanks
[16:12] <TJ-> Kon-: so we've ensured Ubuntu isn't there so you can remove the package from the chroot with "apt remove efibootmgr"
[16:12] <enyc> zuhaitz: /var/log/X11/xorg.0.log may give a clue
[16:12] <zuhaitz> but I dont know how to find a solution
[16:12] <enyc> zuhaitz: then I wouldn't upgrade 'production' machines without pre-testing new version on a spare system disk
[16:12] <Gargravarr> Kon-: UEFI was introduced with the Core Duos back in 2005-6-ish, it's been with us for a while :)
[16:13] <Gargravarr> another glorious revolution we can thank Apple for...
[16:13] <Kon-> TJ-: removing efibootmgr also took out fwupdate. Not sure if that was supposed to happen
[16:14] <Gargravarr> Kon-: that's fairly safe as well, that's for UEFI firmware
[16:14] <TJ-> Kon-: Yes
[16:14] <enyc> zuhaitz: experience (and news of issues almost delaying release etc)-says I'd tend to wait for 18.04.1 or Mint-19 variant,  not update-to 18.04 on a 'production' system.
[16:14] <zuhaitz> enyc, could I try something before?
[16:14] <Kon-> Okay, nice. I might be getting closer to a bootable system
[16:14] <TJ-> Kon-: fwupdate is an EFI-only service for motherboards
[16:14] <enyc> zuhaitz: yes, find nvidia channels and otherwise. and be patient.
[16:14] <enyc> zuhaitz: find error message if you can.
[16:14] <enyc>  zuhaitz: /var/log/X11/xorg.0.log may give a clue
[16:14] <TJ-> Kon-: did we remove the shim* packages? I've lost track!
[16:14] <john38> hello mate screensaver is not working???
[16:14] <Kon-> TJ-: Yes
[16:14] <enyc> john38: ask in #ubuntu-mate channel
[16:14] <TJ-> Kon-: "apt list --installed shim*"
[16:14] <Kon-> shim and shim-signed
[16:14] <zuhaitz> enyc, thanks
[16:15] <Kon-> TJ-: No results
[16:15] <enyc> zuhaitz: and give a clear, concise problem description of  *HOW* its' "not working" -- what is the error etc etc
[16:15] <TJ-> Kon-: OK, let's re-run the commands 1 time more to be sure everything is in place: "grub-install /dev/sda; update-grub"
[16:15] <parclytaxel> Success
[16:15] <parclytaxel> I have upgraded to 18.04 - https://twitter.com/Parcly_Taxel/status/989884511369351168
[16:15] <Gargravarr> TJ-: with appropriate goat sacrifices? ;)
[16:15] <[itchy]> i can't install latex :( i can't seem to run "sudo apt-get -f install" which is what it recommends. https://pastebin.com/P1H6Bmqz
[16:16] <Kon-> TJ-: Adding boot menu entry for EFI firmware configuration
[16:16] <john38> i dont think theres anybody in there?
[16:16] <Gargravarr> !patience | [itchy]
[16:16] <[itchy]> Gargravarr: my last question was 5 mins ago.
[16:17] <TJ-> Kon-: Apparently, ducasse has told me, that message is simply because the system is currently in EFI mode. It's a bit of GRUB dumbness you can safely ignore. Eventually, when the system has been rebooted into the installed OS you should do "sudo update-grub" 1 time and that operation won't be done (since the system booted in Legacy mode)
[16:18] <Kon-> TJ-: Ah, great! Should I try to boot?
[16:18] <TJ-> Kon-: So I think it's ready for a reboot test. Just need to do some unmounting first, so "exit" the chroot then "for n in etc/resolv.conf dev/pts dev sys proc; do sudo umount --lazy /target/$n; done" then reboot!
[16:19] <jeroenpraat> OK, who know how to solve my problem, I can't start GDM and login into Gnome3 (only Lightdm and fallback). GDM error is: kernel: [ 2333.410289] gnome-shell[7027]: segfault at 1fffffff9 ip 0...d sp 0...0 error 4 in libc-2.27.so[7...0] ?
[16:19] <Atomix2> I think I found my issue, anyone here know about the anlog-output configuration for alsamixer?
[16:19] <Atomix2> *analog
[16:19] <jeroenpraat> * after upgrading from 17.10 to 18.04
[16:20] <BluesKaj> Atomix2, what's you alsamixer issue ?
[16:20] <Kon-> TJ-: Should my partitions still not be mounted except as /target?
[16:20] <designbybeck_> I've never tried Ubuntu on a Chromebook, but I just ordered this one to try it on: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074FLKWSX/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[16:20] <BluesKaj> your
[16:20] <TJ-> Kon-: the installer mounted that so let it clean it up
[16:20] <Atomix2> can I pm you?
[16:20] <trekkie1701c> Everyone is talking about 18.04, and I'm over here installing 4.10 :(
[16:20] <trekkie1701c> https://i.imgur.com/435f5eK.png
[16:20] <Kon-> TJ-: Run the installer again or just reboot?
[16:20] <TJ-> Kon-: the OS/kernel will correctyl unmount everything for you
[16:20] <TJ-> Kon-: reboot
[16:20] <Kon-> Okay, hopefully I'll be back on the system in a minute
[16:21] <BluesKaj> Atomix2, it's best to discuss problems here sao other can contribute
[16:21] <Atomix2> kk.
[16:21] <designbybeck_> Has anyone tried Ubuntu or any other Linux on a Chromebook?
[16:21] <BluesKaj> others
[16:21] <TJ-> Kon-: GRUB will wait 10 seconds then auto-start Ubuntu. If you press a key you'll see the GRUB menu
[16:21] <Gargravarr> trekkie1701c: retro
[16:21] <TJ-> Kon-: press the 'Esc' key I should have said
[16:21] <Kon-> TJ-: Take out the LiveCD, right? Been a while since I installed
[16:22] <Gargravarr> designbybeck_: not really what Chromebooks are designed for tbh, the OS benefits from being very heavily locked down
[16:22] <TJ-> Kon-: yes, it should tell you to do that too :)
[16:22] <Kon-> Okay, brb hopefully
[16:22] <designbybeck_> Right but I know people have put Linux on a Chromebook Gargravarr
[16:22] <designbybeck_> Gargravarr, I guess I just want to play with it and experiment
[16:23] <TJ-> designbybeck_: Linux is already on Chromebooks; I guess you mean a GNU/Linux userspace like Ubuntu?
[16:23] <Atomix2> My issue is that if I have alsamixer set to this, I still get headphone audio
[16:23] <Atomix2> https://prnt.sc/jaws1q
[16:23] <designbybeck_> Correct TJ-
[16:23] <Atomix2> @BluesKaj
[16:23] <Gargravarr> designbybeck_: that's fair enough, just figured it would be a fair warning :)
[16:23] <designbybeck_> Oh I fully expect to void every and all warranty day one Gargravarr
[16:24] <TJ-> designbybeck_: I've not done it but I've read Chrome has to be put in a 'developer' mode to do such things, forstly
[16:24] <designbybeck_> yeah I need to revisit the install process now that I'm actually getting one
[16:25] <Gargravarr> designbybeck_: https://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/zoom/8f52_void_warranties_fb.jpg
[16:25] <baumy> is there a ppa for a recent zsh release? i can't seem to find one
[16:25] <Atomix2> It's very faint, but I can still hear it. I need to actually press the mute button on my keyboard in order to actually mut sound.
[16:26] <designbybeck_> heehee very nice Gargravarr
[16:27] <Atomix2> and so what I'm thinking is that for [Element PCM], I should change it from volume = merge to volume = ignore
[16:27] <BluesKaj> Atomix2, laptop or pc, and which audio chip?
[16:27] <Atomix2> laptop, and the chip is realtek ALC3254
[16:27] <Atomix2> the card is HDA intel PCH
[16:27] <jordan4ibanez> Hello, I have created an ubuntu installer usb multiple times over multiple usb drives and I always get this kernel panic. https://i.imgur.com/AvFf4tZ.png
[16:27] <Kon-> TJ-: Bad news. I got GRUB with a blue background and System setup was the only entry. I let it idle until it tried to boot and failed all fallback options
[16:28] <Kon-> And I did have GRUB on the LiveCD, so I'm still in UEFI apparently
[16:28] <jordan4ibanez> I even used one of my spare hard disks as usb and I still get the panic, I'm using a z400 workstation with xeon 1366 processor and gtx 750 ti
[16:28] <BluesKaj> Atomix2, no idea, never encountered that before ..sorry
[16:29] <Atomix2> :|
[16:29] <Atomix2> I'm going to try it
[16:29] <antjose> hi all
[16:29] <TJ-> Kon-: OK, try another installer reboot and this time access the system's manual boot menu and try to ensure you choose the non-EFI ISO mode mode (with LEgacy/CSM enabled it /should/ offer both UEFI and Legacy for the same device)
[16:29] <jeroenpraat> After upgrading from 17.10 to 18.04: I can't start GDM and login into Gnome3 (only Lightdm and fallback). GDM error is: kernel: [ 2333.410289] gnome-shell[7027]: segfault at 1fffffff9 ip 0...d sp 0...0 error 4 in libc-2.27.so[7...0]. Can someone please help me?
[16:29] <Gargravarr> Kon-: go into your BIOS and make sure it's set to Legacy mode
[16:29] <TJ-> Kon-: if that boots select the "Try Ubuntu" mode so we can use chroot to fix things
[16:29] <Gargravarr> if anything mentions UEFI, kill it :)
[16:30] <TJ-> Kon-: personally, I'd have installed Ubuntu in UEFI mode since I consider it a better way to handle multiple OS booting
[16:30] <Kon-> TJ-: Which manual boot menu?
[16:30] <Gargravarr> TJ-: i still prefer Legacy and letting grub handle it
[16:31] <TJ-> Kon-: The motherboard's - at early POST time the screen should display a hint as to what key to press to access the manual boot menu - often it is F10 or F12
[16:31] <Kon-> Ah the BIOS
[16:31] <Kon-> Okay
[16:31] <TJ-> Gargravarr: not for multiple OS - they step on each other's toes. UEFI avoids all that
[16:31] <Kon-> But how will the BIOS help me figure out which mode the ISO is using?
[16:31] <Kon-> Or is there a setting in the mobo that determines which mode is read?
[16:31] <TJ-> Kon-: often you have to read the optins it offers very carefully to figure out which is the EFI mode and which the BIOS/LEgacy, for the same device
[16:32] <Kon-> TJ-: So am I looking for the active mobo mode or a thing about how to read bootable media?
[16:32] <TJ-> Kon-: on the menu you'll likely see TWO entries for the device you're booting the installer from. it should be possible to determine one is for EFI and the other for BIOS mode, but sometimes that is hard (depends on manufacturer)
[16:33] <Kon-> Ahhh, okay
[16:33] <TJ-> Kon-: unfortunately there is no standard way it is shown, and I've seen some really obtuse ways of doing it
[16:33] <Gargravarr> TJ-: only if you have Windows in the mix. multiple Linux distros? easy peasy. Windows doesn't like to share
[16:34] <TJ-> Gargravarr: can be the same with multiple Linux/GRUB OSes too; each one taking over the boot strap sector and/or core image spare sectors (on MBR)
[16:34] <Kon-> Heh, okay, I'll take a look. I'll also confirm that I'm not running the mobo in UEFI. Even though I have like 4 colors and no mouse. You never know
[16:35] <TJ-> Kon-: it must be UEFI, we know that. BIOS/Legacy is just a layer on top when enabled
[16:35] <RoadRunner> could someone help me with a booting/memory issue?
[16:36] <zaapiel> can someone make sure ssh is off for me
[16:36] <TJ-> Gargravarr: I think I know why Kon's update-grub didn't work correctly. I *think* he's set a separate /boot/ file-system and we didn't "mount -a" from within the chroot to ensure it was mounted
[16:36] <zaapiel> ssh 104.63.38.137
[16:36] <zaapiel> please i want to try with an outside box
[16:36] <ducasse> RoadRunner: best way to find out is to just ask with details
[16:37] <Netmage> Did someone check the owncloud tool after installing ubuntu 18.04. I received the message that a key wallet was not found.
[16:37] <nicomachus> zaapiel: timed out.
[16:37] <zaapiel> nicomachus: ty
[16:37] <Netmage> It asks me again for password when restart
[16:37] <RoadRunner> Xubuntu 16.04 comp stoped booting https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FNbJQVwfVy/
[16:39] <fernie> so.. whats the point in manual partitioning in this new server installer when you cannot make esp partition and so not bootable system..
[16:40] <TJ-> RoadRunner: classic symptoms of either 1) separate /boot/ file-system out of space or 2) file-system used all inodes (seen with 'df -i') ... if (1) then boot using the oldest installed kernel from the Advanced menu. If that works then you can sort things out. The reason it *should* work is that the older initrd.img-$VERSION files should be complete, whereas the most recent one is likely truncated
[16:40] <EriC^^> fernie: did you boot the installer in uefi mode?
[16:40] <TJ-> fernie: ask in #ubuntu-server
[16:40] <fernie> EriC^^: yes
[16:40] <TJ-> fernie: someone else reported that a few weeks ago I recall
[16:41] <fernie> TJ-: tried that when it was in beta to point out it. no answer
[16:41] <fernie> TJ-: maybe me :)
[16:41] <TJ-> fernie: maybe you!
[16:41] <Kon-> TJ-: Good news. I disabled UEFI boot order entirely and the LiveCD has now booted into MBR mode (or at least not GRUB)
[16:41] <TJ-> fernie: the system disk currently has no EFI-SP on it then?
[16:42] <TJ-> Kon-: Great, can/did you start "Try Ubuntu" mode?
[16:42] <fernie> oh well, server images with the old installer are still produced so can use those
[16:42] <Kon-> You're right, I didn't realize it was capable of booting UEFI devices even in Legacy
[16:42] <Kon-> TJ-: I'm typing from Try mode
[16:42] <TJ-> Kon-: 'legacy' is an option on top of UEFI modes
[16:42] <Kon-> Should I run the installer again entirely, or is this purely a GRUB issue?
[16:43] <TJ-> Kon-: oh, cool. after you'd gone I think I realised why it failed. When you installed did you create a seperate file-system for /boot/ ?
[16:43] <Kon-> Yes, but I still put the bootloader at the top of dev/sda
[16:43] <TJ-> Kon-: because we didn't mount one in the chroot /target/ so update-grub wouldn't have found any kernels to add to the boot menu!
[16:43] <TJ-> Kon-: aha! My fault then, I should have told you to do "mount -a" first thing after entering the chroot
[16:43] <Kon-> Ahh, it needed the kernel
[16:43] <TJ-> Kon-: so, let's fix it ...
[16:44] <nostrora> Hi! i'm looking for documentation for make a mirror ZFS for my sda and sdb. i'm using Ubuntu LTS 18.04
[16:44] <TJ-> Kon-: Open a terminal then do "sudo mkdir /target" then "sudo mount /dev/sda3 /target" (it *was* sda3 wasn't it? )
[16:44] <Kon-> Yes, sda3
[16:45] <Kon-> But TJ- I now have another issue - nothing is mounted as /target
[16:45] <fernie> nostrora: zpool create mirrorpool mirror sda sdb
[16:45] <RoadRunner> TJ-: wish I thought of that bfr trying the BootRepair liveUSB; now I don't have any older kernel versions showing... Would like to understand though, why/how such an out of space situation could arise in the first place?
[16:45] <TJ-> Kon-: now do "for n in proc sys dev dev/pts etc/resolv.conf; do sudo mount /$n /target/$n; done"
[16:45] <Kon-> Oh, I see. That's the first command you gave me
[16:45] <ducasse> nostrora: zfs is not supported for your root fs
[16:45] <davide136> hi guys, please take a look https://chiedi.ubuntu-it.org/questions/58596/direct-rendering-nvidia-340
[16:46] <fromvenus> Hai, everyone..
[16:46] <TJ-> Kon-: now do "sudo chroot /target" then immediately do "mount -a" and check you see some kernel files with "ls -l /boot/" (files like vmlinuz-$VERSION, initrd.img-$VERSION and others)
[16:46] <fernie> ducasse: or root on nvme what ever
[16:46] <TJ-> RoadRunner: usually the (2) inode issue is lots of very small files that use up the inode entries but not all the space
[16:46] <Kon-> TJ-: mount: /target/run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf: /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf is not a block device; try "-o loop".
[16:47] <Kon-> And various other "is not a block device" messages
[16:47] <kostkon> fromvenus, hi
[16:47] <TJ-> Kon-: let me reread my typing!
[16:47] <nostrora> ducasse: i have never said it's for root ?
[16:47] <ducasse> nostrora: it was just fyu
[16:47] <ducasse> *fyi
[16:47] <TJ-> Kon-: missed the --bind option! do  "for n in proc sys dev dev/pts etc/resolv.conf; do sudo mount --bind /$n /target/$n; done"
[16:48] <davide136> hi guys, please take a look https://chiedi.ubuntu-it.org/questions/58596/direct-rendering-nvidia-340 direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
[16:48] <nostrora> ducasse: Thanks :) my root is on nvme0n1p3
[16:48] <Gargravarr> nostrora: most of us still assume /dev/sda is the boot disk :)
[16:49] <Kon-> TJ-: I have the kernel. 4.15 :)
[16:49] <BluesKaj> davide136,rather than post a huge page for supporters to read, why not just state your problem
[16:49] <RoadRunner> TJ-: how would either (1) or (2) situations arise and how to fix issue (2)?
[16:49] <TJ-> Kon-: great, so "update-grub" and you should see something like "Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-4.15.0-15-lowlatency" in the messages
[16:50] <Kon-> TJ-: I also notice an "efi" file in /boot/
[16:50] <davide136> because i printed all the needed logs to solve the problem, so it's easier for helpers
[16:50] <ubuntu_user_894> love the new LTS release! feels much smoother and more stable. i picked the minimal option when i installed
[16:51] <TJ-> RoadRunner: well (1) is common in seperate /boot/file-systems will multiple kernels and their attendent initrd.img-$VERSION files being left in place (sounds like you've deleted those). For (2) you'd need to locate all the small files using command line expressions to 'find' to locate them and decide what to do with them
[16:51] <BluesKaj> davide136, it's not, tell us what you are trying to do first
[16:51] <Kon-> TJ-: It found everything! Even Windows!
[16:51] <TJ-> Kon-: which is what it should have done originally. When you reported you saw the "Adding boot menu entry for EFI firmware configuration" I assumed you were reporting only the last message update-grub wrote, not everything it wrote!
[16:52] <Kon-> Haha, no, it didn't show any entries before
[16:52] <davide136> recap, useful data here (https://chiedi.ubuntu-it.org/questions/58596/direct-rendering-nvidia-340) , problem is that direct rendering is disabled, checked everything and can't get it to work...can somebody help me?
[16:53] <TJ-> Kon-: right, so it's fixed! "exit" then "for n in etc/resolv.conf dev/pts dev sys proc; do sudo umount --lazy /target/$n; done" and reboot test again
[16:53] <PigDude> Hi, should I be able to upgrade to 18.04 from 17.10 without running `update-manager -d`? Regular updates still aren't presenting the system upgrade
[16:53] <PigDude> I figured by now 18.04 was released to everybody
[16:54] <Kon-> TJ-: Thanks for the help and the learning experience. I'll have to look up how "for n in" works later. That seems really useful :)
[16:54] <RoadRunner> TJ-: in either 1 or 2 would df not show lack of space on disk?
[16:54] <Kon-> brb fingers crossed
[16:55] <TJ-> Kon-: it's just saving on lots of typing
[16:55] <TJ-> RoadRunner: "df -i" will report inode usage, "df" on it's own only space
[16:56] <Gargravarr> ubuntu_user_894: that's great to hear, glad you're enjoying it!
[16:56] <Gargravarr> PigDude: it's being held back from mainstream for a few days while early adopters give feedback
[16:57] <davide136> hey guys...useful data here (https://chiedi.ubuntu-it.org/questions/58596/direct-rendering-nvidia-340) , problem is that direct rendering is disabled, checked everything and can't get it to work...can somebody help me? thank you
[16:58] <beterraba> Guys, how do I know which graphic card is being used? I've typed 'lspci | grep VGA' and I see two results. How do I know which one is active?
[16:58] <davide136> try glxinfo
[16:59] <baumy> is there any way to force apt to mass downgrade packages?
[16:59] <RoadRunner> TJ-: if df -i would show that inodes in some  file system are used up, would df -h then not show lack of space in that file system?
[16:59] <Gargravarr> baumy: no, and it's not recommended either
[16:59] <Kon-> TJ-: I still get blue UEFI GRUB with no entries on boot
[16:59] <baumy> i'm on xenial, added bionic repo to sources.list cause i'm dumb, now things are broken and i'd like to go back
[16:59] <baumy> it's a newly imaged machine, i can just nuke it without losing much
[16:59] <mancman3> beterraba: ubuntu-drivers devices
[16:59] <Gargravarr> baumy: it will be considerably less painful to nuke it
[17:00] <baumy> okey dokes, nuking it
[17:00] <Gargravarr> APT is not designed to mass-downgrade packages
[17:00] <baumy> lesson learned lol
[17:00] <Gargravarr> well, as long as you learn something :)
[17:00] <beterraba> mancman3: thanks. I also see which driver is installed! :)
[17:01] <mancman3> :) yup
[17:01] <Kon-> TJ-: Should I wipe my Ubuntu partitions and reinstall with the MBR LiveCD?
[17:01] <Kon-> Well, I guess the problem is the bootloader still, which is in /dev/sda
[17:01] <RoadRunner> TJ-: if as you say, there may still be space but no more inodes, and there are very many small files using up inoded; how to find /rm them all manually?
[17:03] <davide136> hey guys...useful data here (https://chiedi.ubuntu-it.org/questions/58596/direct-rendering-nvidia-340) , problem is that direct rendering is disabled, checked everything and can't get it to work...can somebody help me? thank you
[17:03] <nikhilweee> How do I upgrade to bionic from a development release? `do-release-upgrade` doesn't help :(
[17:03] <kostkon> baumy, backup and do a fresh install or for the fun of it run do-release-upgrade -d  it's gonna bomb but it might give you a few secs of entertainment
[17:03] <kostkon> nikhilweee, it need its -d
[17:04] <dlam> how do i reduce rsync memory usage?  i have this nightly job which does a big backup and it got 'Cannot allocate memory' overnight  =(
[17:04] <EriC^^> nikhilweee: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  should get you up to date
[17:04] <EriC^^> as if you installed bionic
[17:04] <PigDude> Gargravarr, thanks!
[17:04] <TJ-> Kon-: no entries makes no sense since we know update-grub adding them. Are you sure /dev/sda is the boot device?
[17:05] <Kon-> TJ-: /dev/sda is the only hard drive. /dev/sdb was my USB, which I removed
[17:05] <TJ-> Kon-: if the PC has multiple storage devices it's possible the 'BIOS' is starting from the wrong one
[17:06] <Kon-> Kon-: Does MBR GRUB still have a black background or do they all have blue now?
[17:06] <Kon-> I pinged myself
[17:07] <compdoc> i hate when that happens
[17:07] <Kon-> I think what I'm seeing is still grub-efi TJ-
[17:07] <TJ-> Kon-: hmmm, so the way it works at boot time is this PC > BIOS > disk sector 0 (GRUB boot-strap code) > GRUB core image (spare sectors before partition #1, or for GPT, BIOS Boot partition) > reads grub.cfg from /boot/grub/grub.cfg > boots automatically/displays OS boot menu
[17:07] <TJ-> Kon-: you seem to be reporting that the contents of the grub.cfg are *not* those we know *update-grub* wrote
[17:09] <Kon-> Yes, the only entry was "System setup" and then when I let the menu idle, it said it failed all fallback entries (there seemingly were none)
[17:09] <TJ-> Kon-: Really? and we checked there was no Ubuntu entry so the only other possibility is a removable-media path in the EFI-SP
[17:09] <TJ-> Kon-: so to get it to boot correctly into the install /once/ you need to use the BIOS's manual boot menu again, to ensure you select the hard disk /and/ in BIOS mode, not EFI.
[17:10] <Kon-> TJ-: You think putting the hard disk at the top of the boot order will do it? Even when USB is empty?
[17:12] <kNo_> Hi all, I've just upgrade from 17.10 to 18.04 and my laptop doen't boot now. I've started in fail safe mode and change to not use wayland, but still doesn't boot. In fail safe mode the wifi doen't work
[17:13] <Kon-> brb, going to try to force to boot from the disk
[17:15] <en1gma> is there something similar to windows add/remove programs that keeps track of everything i manually install through 'apt install'
[17:16] <MonkeyDust> en1gma  cat /var/log/dpkg.log | grep "\ install\ "
[17:16] <TJ-> Kon-: boot order won't matter when no USB device is connected. The problem is, even with the boot order set, it is giving preference to an EFI boot mode if the disk has an EFI System partition on it. We could just wipe that but I don't want to do that until we've triple-checked it truly is only there due to Ubuntu install, and nothing else.
[17:18] <ducasse> en1gma: 'apt-mark showmanual'
[17:18] <Kon-2> TJ- I force booted SATA0 slot in legacy mode specifically and still got grub-efi looking for fwupdate
[17:19] <tomreyn> kNo_: by "fail safe mode", do you mean fail safe graphics or recovery? either way, booting seems to work, just the graphical login doesn't, right?
[17:20] <TJ-> Kon-2: did you miss what I typed about boot order and EFI-SP?
[17:21] <Kon-2> TJ- No, I saw. If there is one, it must be Ubuntu
[17:22] <TJ-> Kon-2: OK, so we can safely zap the EFI-SP then
[17:22] <Kon-> TJ-: Wipe all Ubuntu partitions and reinstall?
[17:22] <TJ-> Kon-2: you're working from the LiveISO again?
[17:23] <Kon-> Yes, it booted in MBR mode
[17:23] <Kon-> No GRUB
[17:24] <TJ-> Kon-: OK, so let's check which partition has the EFI-SP. install the tool "sudo apt install pastebinit" in the Live env, then "pastebinit <( sudo blkid /dev/sda* )"
[17:25] <Kon-> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xnyzxMwYFv/
[17:26] <TJ-> Kon-: according to that, there is no EFI-SP on there
[17:26] <Kon-> Yes, dev/sda/ says DOS
[17:26] <TJ-> Kon-: are you sure there's no other storage device where it could be hiding?
[17:26] <Kon-> TJ-: CD drive?
[17:26] <TJ-> Kon-: no, that's the 'DOS' Master boot record partition table
[17:26] <Kon-> Yeah, and that's what I want it to be, no?
[17:27] <TJ-> Kon-: right, but /dev/sda is not a partition, it's the table OF partitions
[17:27] <Kon-> Ah, understood
[17:27] <TJ-> Kon-: we'd expect to see a something like e.g. "/dev/sda1: LABEL="SYSTEM" UUID="1CAC-4496" TYPE="vfat" PARTLABEL="EFI system partition" PARTUUID="1469a3b5-f931-4744-9936-acb05e35f890""
[17:28] <Kon-> So the good news is that one of my partitions is definitely causing the problem, and not the top level device itself?
[17:28] <TJ-> Kon-: an EFI-SP /has/ to be a FAT file-system; all those reported on sda are ext* (Linux) except for Windows NTFS itself
[17:29] <TJ-> Kon-: so I think this rules out the system booting into an alternate EFI GRUB menu (from sda at least)
[17:30] <compdoc> anyone know if Gimp will update itself thru apt? or do i have to install manually?
[17:30] <TJ-> Kon-: which means we need to re-investigate where/what update-grub (from the chroot) is writing to.
[17:30] <Kon-> TJ-: There was formally a FAT HP_TOOLS partition on this machine when I got it, but it was removed by Partition Manager and both Partition Manager and Windows' Disk Management recognized nothing left of it. Just unallocated space
[17:30] <ducasse> compdoc: see what 'apt policy gimp' says
[17:31] <compdoc> thanks
[17:31] <kostkon> compdoc, use the snap version
[17:32] <akem> Hey, i have sound crackling and skip glitches with Ubuntu 17.10, audio "Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP HD Audio" with snd_hda_intel drivers, any idea about this? It is marked as certified hardware for Ubuntu on the website but for Dell/Lenovo laptops, i'm on a HP.
[17:32] <TJ-> Kon-: you're in the Try Ubuntu environment right now?
[17:32] <Kon-> TJ-: Yes
[17:32] <compdoc> cant tell if it will update, and no mention of the new one released recently
[17:32] <compdoc> snap is great. which all apps had snap versions
[17:32] <compdoc> *wish
[17:32] <TJ-> Kon-: shall I repeat the chroot mount procedure for you or do you have it memorised by now?! :d
[17:33] <ubuntu_user_894> snap has improved much since it was introduced
[17:33] <ubuntu_user_894> i now prefer snap packages when i used to hate them
[17:33] <Kon-> I need it one more time. I'm logged into my phone now so I should be able to see it after I reboot :)
[17:34] <TJ-> Kon-: Open a terminal then do "sudo mkdir /target" then "sudo mount /dev/sda3 /target" (it *was* sda3 wasn't it? )
[17:34] <TJ-> Kon-:  do  "for n in proc sys dev dev/pts etc/resolv.conf; do sudo mount --bind /$n /target/$n; done"
[17:34] <TJ-> Kon-: then "sudo chroot /target" and "mount -a"
[17:35] <Kon-> I'm in
[17:36] <TJ-> Kon-: first let's investigate the installed grub.cfg, see if it has linux menu entries. "grep menuentry /boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[17:36] <cimenta> hi, I have just instelled ubuntu 14.04 on OpenNebula and there are no nameservers. I added them to  /etc/network/interfaces but it didn't help. Any idea what to do to make it work?
[17:36] <cimenta> I can ping ip but domain name
[17:37] <TJ-> cimenta: what does "cat /etc/resolv.conf" report?
[17:37] <gaudreal> Hello all. I'm looking for help reporting a bug on ubiquity in 18.04 live iso.
[17:38] <Kon-> TJ-: I see the correct menu entries but there's a lot of flags and such. Not sure if they're properly activated
[17:38] <cimenta> TJ-, https://i.imgur.com/UMTj70N.png
[17:39] <webwobbob> what is a nice way to reduce power usage in ubuntu?
[17:39] <TJ-> Kon-: that's fine, it's the menu entries we need to confirm since you were getting the system setup option only at boot - that is correct isn't it?
[17:39] <webwobbob> I am on 18.04
[17:39] <transhuman> "/lib/modules/4.13.0-39/updates" does not exist on my system, what gives? Anyone?
[17:39] <Kon-> TJ-: correct
[17:40] <gaudreal> getting a consistent crash in the installer but arbt is also crashing when attempting to send
[17:40] <kostkon> !bug | gaudreal
[17:40] <nacc> transhuman: do you have that kernel installed?
[17:40] <Kon-> webwobbob: If you only care about battery life, you could try messing with the CPU governor
[17:40] <transhuman> nacc yes!
[17:40] <webwobbob> Kon-: Also temperature... This thing gets too hot for my liking.
[17:40] <nacc> transhuman: and it would be /lib/modules/4.13.0-39-generic/
[17:41] <n1amr> Hello I cannot get the new 18.04 update through 'do-release-upgrade' command?
[17:41] <TJ-> cimenta: looks like the nameservers aren't working or aren't accessible. Did you configure a firewall that is blocking UDP port 53 ?
[17:41] <TJ-> Kon-: let's remove any EFI remnants in /boot/ too, as a precaution: "rm -r /boot/efi"
[17:41] <transhuman> nacc, my bad that would be correct, it doesnt exist though
[17:41] <cimenta> TJ-, fresh install, I did not configure anything
[17:42] <TJ-> Kon-: can you show be "pastebinit <( blkid; lsblk -f )"
[17:42] <n1amr> n1amr: It outputs 'No new release found.'
[17:42] <cimenta> TJ-, I am able to ping the nameservers using their IP
[17:42] <nacc> n1amr: are you on 16.04?
[17:42] <Kon-> TJ-:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FjzPsrX4vS/
[17:42] <nacc> n1amr: the upgrade isn't offered until 18.04.1, iirc
[17:42] <kostkon> gaudreal, the package name for the installer is 'ubiquity'. i hope it still is, that is
[17:43] <nacc> transhuman: pastebin `ls /lib/modules` and `uname -a`
[17:43] <TJ-> cimenta: do the DNS servers respond directly if you use "dig www.google.com @<ip-address-of-DNS-server>" ?
[17:43] <Kon-> hmm what is loop0?
[17:43] <n1amr> nacc: I'm on Ubuntu 17.10 x86_64
[17:43] <ubuntu_user_894> it's a loopback device
[17:43] <nacc> n1amr: are you using a mirror?
[17:43] <TJ-> Kon-: that's the mount for the LiveISO's squashfs
[17:43] <Kon-> Ah
[17:43] <lapaga> Why a fresh install of 14.04?
[17:44] <n1amr> nacc: I don't think so. How can I ensure?
[17:44] <ubuntu_user_894> loopback devices are usually used to mount files as if they were a device
[17:44] <ubuntu_user_894> used to use them for hobby osdev
[17:44] <TJ-> Kon-: right, let's collect some info! "grub-install -v /dev/sda |& tee /tmp/grub-install.log" then "pastebinit /tmp/grub-install.log"
[17:44] <transhuman> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mgB63PcpJX     http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3y3YrWRCJ2/
[17:45] <Kon-> Well, they weren't lying. That was verboes
[17:45] <spotter> is their a command one can run to determine what packages on a system are providing a specific virtual package?
[17:45] <nacc> n1amr: look in /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:45] <Kon-> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hQZVDpRhCn/
[17:45] <nacc> transhuman: ... so the directory is there?
[17:46] <cimenta> TJ-, https://i.imgur.com/cgPZX5t.png I don't understand the output
[17:46] <spotter> example, one wants to programatically determine how tomcat is installed on a system and it depends on Depends: default-jre-headless | java8-runtime-headless | java8-runtime, libtomcat8-java (>= 8.5.21-1ubuntu1) so one wants to print how that or clause is being satisfied
[17:46] <nacc> transhuman: oh wait, you are looking for some updates sub-directory? why?
[17:46] <nacc> transhuman: there is no such directory
[17:47] <MonkeyDust> spotter  try apt-cache show [package]
[17:47] <nacc> spotter: for virtual symbols like that, you have to dig down relatively low. See grep-dctrl
[17:47] <TJ-> cimenta: there is no IP address being returned for www.google.com so there's the problem. Wrong DNS servers, or they are badly confugured
[17:47] <transhuman> no the updates subdirectory doesnt exist
[17:47] <TJ-> cimenta: try some of the other DNS server IP addresses, maybe that one is bad
[17:47] <nacc> transhuman: right, why would it?
[17:48] <transhuman> my gpu-manager logs are complaining about it not existing
[17:48] <nacc> transhuman: pastebin the error?
[17:49] <TJ-> transhuman: ../updates/ is only there if DKMS is in use
[17:49] <TJ-> nacc: ^^^ DKMS ^^^ parent directory
[17:49] <nacc> TJ-: oh
[17:49] <nacc> transhuman: so possibly you don't need it/
[17:50] <TJ-> Kon-: bear with me; currently preparing a meal as well :)
[17:50] <transhuman> nacc maybe I am trying to figure out why x windows wont start http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9dzCWJJW5k
[17:50] <transhuman> last k is  capital K
[17:51] <Kon-> TJ-: I don't blame you :)
[17:51] <transhuman> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9dzCWJJW5K
[17:51] <webwobbob> What is better? Gnome or ssh?
[17:52] <nacc> webwobbob: those are not comparables
[17:52] <webwobbob> nacc: they are both software?
[17:52] <TJ-> Kon-: that's a perfect grub-install for grub-pc - so now we focus on the grub.cfg being generated
[17:53] <ducasse> webwobbob: better for what?
[17:53] <nacc> webwobbob: they don't relate to each other, one is a service for connecting to networked machines, one is a graphical destkop environment
[17:53] <cimenta> TJ-, you are right. I used 8.8.8.8 and it works. thank you so much
[17:53] <nacc> transhuman: the gpu-manager warnings about /etc/modprobe.d and dkms can be ignored. I don't know about the update-alternatives. How are you trying to start x?
[17:54] <TJ-> Kon-: "pastebinit <( ls -latr /boot/grub/ ; update-grub ; ls -latr /boot/grub/ ; cat /boot/grub )"
[17:54] <webwobbob> ducasse: whatever it is you need to do
[17:54] <nacc> webwobbob: this is the ubuntu support channel, not random relatively unclear questions channel :)
[17:54] <transhuman>  nacc, I know this isn't very descriptive but six ways to sunday I have tried, other vm guests (ubuntu's on KVM on CentOS run fine) this one ran out of space
[17:55] <Kon-> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/77T79m5JKP/
[17:55] <nacc> transhuman: I don't follow -- so your VM is out of disk space?
[17:55] <Kon-> It notified me that it wrote the correct entries for 4.15 and Windows
[17:55] <TJ-> Kon-: gah! I missed off a vital command! "pastebinit /boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[17:55] <n1amr> nacc: I turned out I am using a mirror. Now I cannot change server from 'Software & Updates' app.
[17:55] <transhuman> it ran out of disk space and I had to fix like 100 errors to get everything working (except x windows still wont run)
[17:56] <Kon-> That'll probably help :)
[17:56] <oceanmanor> bionic beaver is really good
[17:56] <Kon-> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DxSv9bnrYy/
[17:56] <nacc> n1amr: i don't know what that means in this case. You can just edit /etc/apt/sources.list if you want
[17:56] <nacc> n1amr: i'm assuming your mirror is just a bit behind, so you can also just wait
[17:57] <nacc> transhuman: i don't think gpu-manager is your problem, especially if it's a vm
[17:57] <transhuman> sigh,ok thanks for the input
[17:57] <beefjoe> What was the package to display that fancy ubuntu icon and system specs in the terminal ?
[17:57] <webwobbob> nacc: that is rude
[17:57] <ducasse> beefjoe: neofetch?
[17:57] <webwobbob> i asked a simple question
[17:58] <transhuman> even if its a loss I have learned a lot about systemd on the way and systemctl and things...ah well
[17:58] <spotter> ok, here's a weird question about dependencies.  why does default-jre (which depends on openjdk) provide the virtual dependencies, why doesn't it just rely on the fact that they are provided by the openjdk packages?
[17:58] <n1amr> nacc: Thank you. I'll wait.
[17:58] <oceanmanor> beefjoe screenfetch
[17:58] <beefjoe> screenfetch ! thanks
[17:59] <anibic> Hi, I am unable to configure ADSL broadband on 18.04. Its different from 16.04
[17:59] <anibic> Plz help
[17:59] <spotter> the main think I can thin of is to get the "default" package to satisfy the virtual dependency instead of openjdk so it can be "easily" switched (but that in some ways would seem bad experience for the user, they don't neccessarily realize that they are using "default-jre" instead of openjdk-jre
[17:59] <anibic> My ADSL router in bridge mode
[17:59] <oceanmanor> anibac no router in between?
[17:59] <anibic> nope
[18:00] <oceanmanor> there's yer problem
[18:00] <anibic> only modem-router
[18:00] <oceanmanor> oh combo
[18:00] <anibic> yeah
[18:00] <TJ-> Kon-: that grub.cfg is also perfect and no sign of any system firmware setup option
[18:00] <oceanmanor> I think you need a dsl package iirc
[18:00] <TJ-> Kon-: so I
[18:00] <anibic> have to create a new wired connection
[18:01] <oceanmanor> apt-cache search dsl | network
[18:01] <oceanmanor> apt-cache search dsl | grep network
[18:01] <fernie> for what you need dsl
[18:01] <fernie> he said that he has the modem in bridge mode
[18:01] <fernie> ethernet + dhcp
[18:01] <nacc> spotter: default-jre is mostly there to ensure smooth upgrades
[18:01] <anibic> what should I do . I am a noob
[18:01] <fernie> should work out of the box
[18:02] <anibic> guide me step by step
[18:02] <TJ-> Kon-: so at this point I need to understand more clearly *exactly* what you see at boot time, as various messages from the power on self test onwards show up, and what you see finally when a menu is presented. I think we/I am missing something here
[18:02] <Kon-> TJ-: What am I actually seeing when I boot? Is it grub-efi or grub-pc?
[18:02] <ImageJPEG> So my Ubuntu nas server up right refuses to use the IPv6 address I've given it. It was working then after an update and restart it refuses to use it. Instead, it picks one of those fe80 addresses...
[18:02] <nacc> webwobbob: your question is not sensible. Ask a better question. In other words, your question is similar to "What is better, vi or firefox?" They do different things. Finally, it is not a support topic to ask what is "better". Use a more appropriate channel.
[18:04] <Kon-> TJ-: I see my BIOS logo, and then I see blue pixels slowly draw from the bottom to the top of the screen. Then I get GRUB 2.02 with a black border around the blue area. Then it just has "*System setup" in white.
[18:05] <n1amr> nacc: I changed server to 'us.archive.ubuntu.com' and still I cannot see a new release
[18:05] <nacc> n1amr: you did an update, etc.?
[18:05] <sveinse> ImageJPEG: Be adviced that per ipv6 standards a NIC shall have multiple addresses, including link local like fe80::
[18:05] <nacc> n1amr: you *might* need to clear the local cache for the release upgrader
[18:05] <sveinse> ImageJPEG: Use ip addr to show them all
[18:05] <Kon-> TJ-: The menu times out after only a few seconds, and then the screen goes black except for a line about searching for fwupdate. Then it fails and looks for a fallback device. The same thing happens. It goes back to the blue menu, and I power off
[18:05] <ImageJPEG> Right, however, it doesn't have the one I've given it.
[18:05] <ImageJPEG> eno2 only has one ipv6 address and it's that fe00
[18:06] <ImageJPEG> fe80*
[18:06] <nacc> n1amr: e.g., rm -rf ~/.cache/update-manager-core/; and then try again
[18:06] <nacc> n1amr: (probably don't need the -f)
[18:07] <TJ-> Kon-: And you've removed the installer device (it's a USB device, correct?)
[18:07] <Kon-> TJ-: Yes, this is with the LiveISO USB removed
[18:08] <TJ-> Kon-: because you see GRUB we know somewhere the firmware is finding an EFI system partition, and because there wasn't an entry shown by efibootmgr, that must be a removable-media boot path (/EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI) being used to find GRUB.
[18:08] <oceanmanor> anibic usually you want to install the dsl package so you can see it as an option when starting a new wired connection
[18:08] <TJ-> Kon-: saft question but... you've not left a bootable DVD/CD in the DVD drive?
[18:08] <n1amr> nacc: It didn't work for me :(
[18:08] <oceanmanor> I would duckduckgo search for ubuntu 16 dsl connection
[18:08] <anibic> how to do that ?
[18:08] <anibic> plz guide
[18:08] <Kon-> TJ-: I just looked. Nothing in the CD drive
[18:09] <archerstirling> How can I ungroup icons in the launcher in 18.04?
[18:09] <nacc> n1amr: even clearing the cache first?
[18:09] <anibic> they had it in 16.04
[18:09] <Kon-> TJ-: I've also disabled ALL UEFI boot options in my BIOS
[18:09] <TJ-> Kon-: right now I'm seriously confused; firmware can't/won't do an EFI boot unless there is an EFI SP (which must be FAT formatted) and we know that doesn't exist
[18:09] <crimson_king> archerstirling, through GNOME Software, by going to the Installed tab
[18:09] <ubuntu_user_894> i was gonna say drag 'em out of the group but to my horror that doens't actually work...
[18:09] <pbaker> n1amr: I cannot do a 'do-release-upgrade' either. I'm on 17.04, trying to update to 18.04.
[18:09] <nacc> n1amr: what does `grep Prompt /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades`
[18:10] <nacc> pbaker: you are on an EOL release, you need to eol uprade to 17.10 first
[18:10] <crimson_king> There is a button there that allows selecting applications and changing their groups
[18:10] <TJ-> Kon-: it's almost like that PC has a small hidden system partition somewhere
[18:10] <nacc> pbaker: or jut reinstall 18.04
[18:10] <TJ-> Kon-: what make/model is the PC?
[18:10] <nacc> !eolupgrade > pbaker
[18:10] <n1amr> nacc: Prompt=normal
[18:10] <archerstirling> crimson_king: I can't see this
[18:10] <nacc> n1amr: hrm
[18:10] <pbaker> nacc: Sorry, I typed incorrectly. I'm on 17.10.
[18:10] <Kon-> TJ-: Is it at all possible that something from the old HP_TOOLS partition survived even though I unallocated the space and then repartitioned and reformatted over it?
[18:10] <ubuntu_user_894> firefox won't detect my flash plugin
[18:11] <ubuntu_user_894> i did "sudo apt install flashplugin-installer"
[18:11] <nacc> pbaker: n1amr: oh they haven't updated the metadata yet
[18:11] <ubuntu_user_894> not showing up in the plugin list
[18:11] <kostkon> ubuntu_user_894, did you restart firefox
[18:11] <nacc> pbaker: let me ask the devs
[18:11] <crimson_king> archerstirling, see this https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/add-app-folders-gnome-shell-overview
[18:11] <ubuntu_user_894> yes
[18:11] <pbaker> That's what I'd heard. Do we know when http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release will be updated?
[18:11] <MonkeyDust> Archer Serling FTW
[18:12] <MonkeyDust> t
[18:12] <archerstirling> crimson_king: That's not what I am after
[18:12] <nacc> pbaker: asking
[18:12] <archerstirling> If I open two cmd instances then it groups them as one in the taskbar
[18:12] <archerstirling> I do not want that
[18:12] <Kon-> TJ-: This is an HP 6300 Pro SFF - let me grab the manual
[18:12] <Torpedo_Smash> hi, I need help to setup MySQL Workbench on Ubuntu 18.04. After the installation of it and mysq-server I recive this error message every time I try to setup a connection tu localhost:
[18:12] <Torpedo_Smash> Failed to Connect to MySQL at localhost:3306 with user root
[18:13] <crimson_king> archerstirling, oh, that. Maybe through extensions that modify GNOME. Search for one. But I don't know for sure.
[18:13] <compdoc> you have apache installed?
[18:13] <archerstirling> AAARGGHHHHHH STUPID GNOME
[18:13] <ubuntu_user_894> hehe
[18:13] <nacc> pbaker: n1amr: they are hoping to fix a critical upgrade bug before changing the metadata
[18:13] <Kon-> TJ-: This looks like it might be the problem http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c03470023
[18:13] <ubuntu_user_894> i'm more of an xfce person myself
[18:13] <Torpedo_Smash> compdoc, Are you talking to me?
[18:14] <pbaker> nacc: Thanks for checking.  Appreciate it!
[18:14] <compdoc> Torpedo_Smash, yes
[18:14] <Torpedo_Smash> compdoc, no, I haven't. How can I install it?
[18:14] <crimson_king> archerstirling, Unity did the same. Maybe you'll like Ubuntu MATE a lot more.
[18:15] <compdoc> Torpedo_Smas, when I need mysql, I usually install LAMP, which integrates everything you need
[18:15] <nacc> pbaker: n1amr: so I'd just wait, your systems are doing "the right thing" -- if you wanted to force it with -d you could but then you might hit known bugs
[18:15] <Kon-> TJ-: But it shouldn't be it, because I've disabled that feature in BIOS. I checked on the last reboot
[18:15] <kNo_> @tomreyn recovery works, safe graphics mode no. Not only the graphic mode, when normal boot is selected, the console is not available (the system hangs)
[18:16] <pbaker> I can wait. No rush, just curious. :)
[18:16] <crimson_king> compdoc, how do you install LAMP? I only saw an outdated page about it. I wanna know what package or group you install.
[18:16] <ioria> archerstirling, https://chrisirwin.ca/posts/multiple-instances-of-gnome-terminal/
[18:17] <Torpedo_Smash> compdoc, OK. I know this command: sudo apt install lamp-server^
[18:17] <Torpedo_Smash> It's good?
[18:17] <TJ-> Kon-: Great sleuthing! That looks like the issue. Are you able to disable the feature as described and test?
[18:18] <compdoc> Torpedo_Smas, does MySQL Workbench open a webpage to work, normally? Im not familure
[18:18] <TJ-> Kon-: oh, you said you disabled it. Even with it though, it can't affect how GRUB works
[18:19] <Kon-> TJ-: I'm not sure what can be done if it's already set to disabled
[18:19] <n1amr> pbaker: nacc: I'll wait. Hope it will be fixed soon.
[18:19] <Kon-> TJ-: I'm curious as to why GRUB is able to run in UEFI mode if I purged grub-efi and installed grub-pc?
[18:20] <TJ-> Kon-: It might not /be/ EFI mode, but it looks like it is reading the grub.cfg that was created earlier when only the "Adding boot menu entry for EFI firmware configuration" message was seen - as if it's ignoring the new grub.cfg
[18:23] <RoadRunner> TJ-: read up on inodes and file removal by inode but still not clear on : 1. how to tell garbage inodes  from the usefull ones and 2. if there is a way to "automate" removal of a large number of inodes? (ie: if there is a 1000 bad inodes and you have to fingure out each manually, it may be faster to reinstall and reconfigure the OS and apps - or am I missing something)
[18:24] <TJ-> RoadRunner: the inodes wouldn't be 'bad' - just in use by lots of small files. A file-system has a limit on how many inodes it can hold set when the file-system is created. It could be it's hit that limit
[18:24] <Kon-> TJ-: If I were to erase sda3, would that remove GRUB completely?
[18:25] <tda> grub is the first few hundred bytes of sda
[18:26] <Kon-> So it's there in sda but calls its config from /boot
[18:26] <tda> dont go too far or you will hit the partition table
[18:26] <RoadRunner> TJ-: I get that, but how tell tell which small system files are useless?
[18:26] <Kon-> I know there's an app to install the Windows MBR from Linux. Worst comes to worst, I might try that and hope I can knock out the broken GRUB
[18:27] <RoadRunner> *to tell...
[18:27] <Kon-> Then I could add Ubuntu as a boot entry there
[18:29] <john__> j #python
[18:30] <TJ-> Kon-: erasing sda3 would wipe the OS, but there are also the grub parts in sda4 which is the separate /boot/ file-system I think
[18:30] <Kon-> TJ-: could a TPM security module be at fault here? The LiveCD gives me 2 TPM errors at startup and I do have a BIOS setting called "Allow OS manageement of TPM"
[18:31] <TJ-> Kon-: I'm going to have to take a break now; meal is ready. The issue is GRUB reading the 'wrong' grub.cfg. could be something weird set in /boot/grub/grubenv maybe
[18:31] <TJ-> Kon-: I don't think TPM would affect BIOS boot mode nor GRUB in particular
[18:31] <tda> probably not. i get a couple errors on boot regarding TPM too but no problems. i don't use TPM though
[18:31] <kubast2> yo how can I change the top panel theme ?
[18:31] <RoadRunner> TJ-: for example, I don't know for sure that in my attempts to rebuild Grub2, I've actually deleted all old kernels, maybe the booter is just repaired incorectly and old kernels aren't listed but are still occupying space. In this case, how do I find, access and delete those files?
[18:33] <transhuman> nacc , this is my Xorg.0.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vBzscPtXY7
[18:33] <Kon-> Thanks for the help TJ- - I just hope MBR mode isn't perma broken. From what you just said, it seems like reinstall might be a way out
[18:34] <nacc> transhuman: no obvious errors there
[18:34] <TJ-> Kon-: in principle the solution is simple! find out where this mythical grub.cfg is and how the heck GRUB is using it!
[18:34] <Kon-> SecureBoot and FastBoot are disabled, MBR security is disabled
[18:35] <Kon-> It did somehow get set to only accept HP-signed keys, but that shouldn't even be applicable to legacy, right?
[18:35] <TJ-> Kon-: it's past those though
[18:35] <transhuman> nacc, yeah I am a little interested in the VMware mouse, not sure why its trying to use a vmware mouse with kvm tried removing open-vm-tools but it does the same thing
[18:35] <Torpedo_Smash> compdoc, I've installed Apache, but the problem isn't resolved. Your connection attempt failed for user 'root' from your host to server at localhost:3306:
[18:35] <nacc> transhuman: i think that's a red herring andwouldn't keep x from working
[18:35] <nacc> transhuman: i'd check syslog
[18:36] <compdoc> Torpedo_Smas, does MySQL Workbench open a webpage to work, normally? Im not familur
[18:36] <Kon-> I'll try to check for grub stuff on sda4
[18:36] <en1gma> does ubuntu 18.04 have something similar to windows backup/restore? i want to make a backup image right after i do a fresh install and 'apt update' and 'apt-upgrade' so if i do some building or installing i can revert to that exact same restore point where there is no left over files from any install or building i have done
[18:36] <TJ-> Kon-: and Secure Boot etc., only apply to EFI boot. Tell you what, reboot it into this weird mode, then use the 'c' key to enter GRUB's command mode so we can find out where it thinks it is! You'll need another IRC connection of course so we can communicate
[18:36] <TJ-> Kon-: I'm at the dining table so will be delayed in responding but I hope I can help you solve it nontheless
[18:37] <compdoc> Torpedo_Smas, yes, it does. do you have PHP installed too?
[18:37] <leftyfb> en1gma: no
[18:37] <en1gma> so best thing to do is maybe create a backup and restore thing with something like acronis?
[18:37] <compdoc> Torpedo_Smas, i have to go to the post office. bbl
[18:37] <tda> maybe you can use lvm snapshots. linux tends not to mess up and require those like windows does
[18:38] <Torpedo_Smash> compdoc, no
[18:38] <Kon-2> TJ- Thanks. I've got my phone here too
[18:38] <compdoc> thats what lamp is all about
[18:38] <tda> theres also a program that tracks changes to /etc with git. i forget what it's called and don't use it myself
[18:39] <nacc> tda: etckeeper
[18:39] <MyS3lf> hello, i have ubuntu 17.10, how can i update it to ubuntu 18.04 sice was released yesterday?
[18:39] <tda> nacc: that sounds familiar
[18:39] <Rubiksmomo> Ubuntu seems to handle Sixaxis (PS3 gamepad) R2 as a button. Is there any way to use it as an axis?
[18:39] <compdoc> Torpedo_Smash, youre typing in localhost:3306 on the same computer as myswl workbench
[18:39] <compdoc> ?
[18:39] <nacc> MyS3lf: it will be available for upgrdaes in a bit, there are some critical upgrade errors to fix
[18:40] <MyS3lf> so i have to wait some days for the upgrade, right?
[18:40] <nacc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_16.04_LTS_or_17.10
[18:40] <nacc> MyS3lf: --^
[18:40] <Edgan> Anyone know when the 18.04 amis are likely to come out?
[18:40] <transhuman> nacc , http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cjVH2nRpXB/
[18:40] <nacc> Edgan: i'd ask in #ubuntu-server
[18:41] <Torpedo_Smash> compdoc, yes
[18:41] <MyS3lf> nacc: oh ok, thanks :)
[18:41] <nacc> transhuman: lightdm is failing to start
[18:42] <ubuntu_user_894> you can't grep a book
[18:42] <transhuman> no at the bottom it shows it started
[18:42] <nacc> transhuman: so you get the greeter?
[18:42] <transhuman> black flashing screen
[18:42] <ubuntu_user_894> i want this saying framed and put on the wall over my desk
[18:42] <nacc> transhuman: i really don't know, sorry
[18:43] <Torpedo_Smash> compton, Now I need to go. Thanks
[18:43] <transhuman> its ok, I have been at it for a week and I cant figure it out but thanks for trying
[18:43] <transhuman> question does a problem with .gvfs sound like it might be  root cause
[18:43] <ubuntu_user_894> actually i think the saying is "You can't grep a dead tree"
[18:44] <nacc> transhuman: seems unlikely, but possible
[18:44] <nacc> transhuman: have you tried just making a new VM?
[18:44] <tda> Edgan: i dont know amazons policy on that, but i'm guessing not until after 18.04.1
[18:45] <transhuman> I notice that .gvfs is owned by ????? even after a dismount ,delete and restart and(therefor a recreation)
[18:45] <transhuman> ah yes new vms start fine
[18:45] <transhuman> same ubuntu version
[18:45] <nacc> transhuman: ok ... so just get rid of the bad VM?
[18:45] <Kon-> TJ-: You won't believe it, but I bootd! GRUB started in the same mode, but this time it had the memtest and Windows 7 options. No Linux kernels. But it auto-ran Advanced Setup before I could react, spat out a bunch of lines before I could read any, and I landed on the Ubuntu desktop eventually.
[18:45] <nacc> transhuman: do you need to get data off of it or soething?
[18:45] <transhuman> I can do that but I have put so much work into it I hate to spend 3 weeks rebuilding
[18:46] <transhuman> no recent backups, my boo boo
[18:46] <TJ-> Kon-: but that's expected! usually GRUB doesn't display a boot menu (it's hidden unless you tap Esc key)
[18:46] <TJ-> Kon-: default timeout is 10 seconds
[18:46] <compdoc> Torpedo_Smash, what happens if you type in http://localhost  by itself?
[18:47] <transhuman> its a monumental task, sadly
[18:47] <snulken> i need help with booting from usb - it takes me to something called "grub4dos" i have never had this issue before
[18:47] <TJ-> Kon-: but it sounds like it's now got itself sorted out. You should test the Windows option too, ensure that is working
[18:47] <transhuman> have to go and cry for a couple hours, thanks for the help nacc
[18:47] <nacc> transhuman: i mean you stil have access to the disk
[18:47] <Kon-> I guess something must have clicked the last time you had me run grub-update Advanced Setup and memtest/windows weren't even there last time.
[18:47] <Kon-> TJ-:
[18:48] <nacc> transhuman: so you havent lost anyting, just the desktop -- you can probably ssh in, or even just mount the disk into the new vm
[18:48] <Kon-> I'll try booting again, brb
[18:48] <TJ-> Kon-: well, test again to be sure then we can close the issue :)
[18:49] <roothorick> How do I get WINS/NBT resolution working on 18.04? Is systemd-resolved not capable of it and I need to go back to dnsmasq?
[18:51] <snulken> how come my usb takes me to grub when i try to install?
[18:52] <TJ-> snulken: probably because the installer is booting in UEFI mode, which uses GRUB
[18:52] <TJ-> snulken: what is more important is what's listed on the GRUB menu
[18:52] <snulken> TJ-, i am choosing the option from bios called "generic usb" and not the one with "uefi"
[18:53] <snulken> TJ-, it doesnt show me anything but takes me straight to a prompt called "grub4dos"
[18:53] <Kon-> TJ-: Ubuntu and Windows both boot. Only oddity is the mode GRUB launches in, Ubuntu's listing is a generic GNU/Linux label, and the Ubuntu splash screen isn't there on system boot.
[18:53] <TJ-> snulken: I have no idea what grub4dos is from, but it's not Ubuntu
[18:54] <Kon-> grub4dos comes from trying to add a Linux system to the Windows bootloader via EasyBCD - I've made that mistake before
[18:54] <Kon-> snulken:
[18:54] <TJ-> Kon-: splash screen after GRUB is another issue, possibly related to plymouth and the GPU and graphic modes
[18:55] <snulken> TJ-, i think i know what cause this - i think i got it from that stupid lilo usb creator
[18:55] <TJ-> Kon-: on some UEFI systems, regardless of boot mode, the video mode support in firmware is broken
[18:55] <Kon-> heh, good to know. RIP grub-customizer
[18:55] <TJ-> Kon-: but it sounds like we  - finally - solved the issue :)
[18:56] <TJ-> Kon-: I'll celebrate with freshly cut Rhubarb and Custard crumple :)
[18:56] <Kon-> TJ-: Thank you very much for your help. GRUB complexities is way out of my league
[18:59] <vmenezes> Is there a specific command that would help me to analyze disk use on terminal like "Disk Usage Analyzer" or I should just use a mixin of "df -h" and "sudo du -h -d 1 /"?
[18:59] <roothorick> howto-style information on systemd-resolved is practically nonexistent... I just want WINS to work
[19:00] <roothorick> LLMNR and mDNS are not acceptable due to there being Windows hosts on the network
[19:01] <ducasse> vmenezes: 'ncdu' is nice
[19:02] <roothorick> Every search I've tried mostly just turns up blogposts ranting about how systemd-resolved sucks
[19:02] <roothorick> Nothing actually useful
[19:03] <TJ-> roothorick: try asking in #systemd ?
[19:05] <roothorick> well, looks like MS thinks you shouldn't use WINS, but then fails to provide an alternative... maybe they've decided decentralized name resolution in and of itself is bad and nobody should do it
[19:06] <RoadRunner> TJ-: please don't give up on me :)
[19:06] <TJ-> RoadRunner: sorry, I've not been paying close attention aside from Kon's issue
[19:07] <RoadRunner> TJ-: its as in Star Wars: Obi One, you are my only hope :)
[19:07] <pavlos> vmenezes: there are scripts that will show you top 10 file usage ... I'll try to find it
[19:07] <TJ-> RoadRunner: when in doubt boot a liveISO installer in "Try Ubuntu" mode, then use that and a chroot environment to diagnose and fix
[19:08] <RoadRunner> TJ-: done that, please refer to my earlier paste where I describe what happened
[19:08] <pavlos> vmenezes: as root, du -a / | sort -n -r | head -n 10
[19:10] <sourav> hello
[19:10] <TJ-> RoadRunner: I did earlier, let me re-read
[19:11] <TJ-> RoadRunner: "sudo chroot /mnt" suggests that sda1 is NOT the OS's root file-system, since /bin/bash should always exist in it.
[19:12] <TJ-> RoadRunner: if you're in the Try ubuntu session can you do "pastebinit <( sudo blkid /dev/sda* )"
[19:13] <vmenezes> ducasse: Thanks! `apt install ncdu` was a really nice & easy option!
[19:14] <bumblefuzz> hi, i'm trying to follow the instructions at the bottom of this page for securely verifying my .iso file
[19:14] <bumblefuzz> I'm getting output that I don't understand
[19:15] <sourav> why 16.04.4 is getting update as late as july
[19:15] <Fjorgynn> awesome
[19:16] <Fjorgynn> bumblefuzz: md5?
[19:16] <bumblefuzz> sha256sum
[19:16] <transhuman> nacc, yes, but its all the web server packages for things like regis and things that are in it with apache mysql database, and such its going to be a big pain
[19:16] <bumblefuzz> https://ubuntu-mate.org/how-to-verify-downloads/
[19:17] <howudodat> I need some help diagnosing a problem on my dell laptop running 16.04.4  suspend on lid closed used to work.  at some point it stopped working.  If I close the lid while on AC it will suspend, and resume on open very quickly.  If I close the lid while on battery it will power off. I know an image is not ideal, but this shows tweak, dconf and logind.conf all in one shot: https://pasteboard.co/HiAVple.png
[19:17] <vmenezes> pavlos: thanks... yeah sorting/filtering `du` is always an option
[19:18] <RoadRunner> TJ-: if sda1 was not the root file-system, can you tell what was from my df -h printout (https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kbYM4CPSPv/) ?
[19:18] <TJ-> RoadRunner: looks like /dev/mapper/xubuntu--vg-root is the root file-system
[19:19] <TJ-> RoadRunner: sda1 is 472M which looks like a separate /boot/file-sytem
[19:19] <RoadRunner> TJ-: that's the one on the HD - the one that wouldn't mount on boot...
[19:20] <RoadRunner> TJ-: the 472mb one I am guessing to be the one from the live cd
[19:21] <TJ-> RoadRunner: sdb1 mentions KINGSTON which suggests a USB device
[19:21] <bumblefuzz> I apologize, I'm trying to use pastebinit but it says I'm trying to send an empty document'
[19:21] <bumblefuzz> the command I'm trying to run is:
[19:21] <bumblefuzz> 'gpgv --keyring=/usr/share/keyrings/ubuntu-archive-keyring.gpg SHA256SUMS.gpg SHA256SUMS'
[19:21] <RoadRunner> TJ-: sdb1 was just by back up and ref files
[19:22] <bumblefuzz> the output I'm receiving is
[19:22] <bumblefuzz> gpgv: Signature made Thu 01 Mar 2018 02:44:02 PM EST gpgv:                using DSA key 46181433FBB75451 gpgv: Can't check signature: No public key gpgv: Signature made Thu 01 Mar 2018 02:44:02 PM EST gpgv:                using RSA key D94AA3F0EFE21092 gpgv: Good signature from "Ubuntu CD Image Automatic Signing Key (2012) <cdimage@ubuntu.com>"
[19:22] <TJ-> RoadRunner: your pastebin confirms that sda1 is the /boot/ file-system http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/D5rRkb3gsr/
[19:22] <bumblefuzz> it says can't check signature but then it says good signature
[19:23] <TJ-> RoadRunner: sda5 is LVM, which will host the LVM VG xubuntu which contains the LV vg-root
[19:23] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: "can't check signature" means the system doesn't have the GPG public key certificate relating to the private key that signed the SUMS file itself
[19:24] <bumblefuzz> ok
[19:24] <bumblefuzz> I'm following these instructions: https://ubuntu-mate.org/how-to-verify-downloads/
[19:25] <bumblefuzz> am I missing a step?
[19:25] <RoadRunner> TJ-: don't mean to confuse you, but that's a diff paste - where BootRepair Live CD was trying to do its thing, so here sda1 would presumably be from either usb or hd, but in the df paste - sda1 should have been from a cd
[19:25] <TJ-> bumblefuzz: what OS are you checking from? usually those signing keys are shipped in default Ubuntu installs
[19:25] <bumblefuzz> ubuntu
[19:25] <csp98> hi
[19:25] <bumblefuzz> this is a brand fresh ubuntu 188.04 install
[19:25] <csp98> i can not upgrade to 18.04
[19:25] <RoadRunner> TJ-: sory -typo: *Boot Repair liveUSB
[19:25] <bumblefuzz> I'm trying to revert
[19:26] <csp98> i run sudo do-release-upgrade but terminal says there are not new versions
[19:27] <bumblefuzz> 18.04*
[19:27] <ducasse> csp98: see the release notes. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_16.04_LTS_or_17.10
[19:28] <bumblefuzz> I just want to verify the download
[19:28] <blackflow> csp98: from what, 17.10?
[19:28] <RoadRunner> TJ-: I am wondering if during live CD rescue, the "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt" failed if later "sudo chroot /mnt" couldn't find sda1?
[19:30] <TJ-> RoadRunner: as I said, sda1 isn't the root file-system so that wouldn't work.
[19:30] <IntelCore> have 16.04, may I format unallocated space and install 18.04 alongside...?
[19:33] <Bashing-om> IntelCore: Only maybe, please pastebin ' sudo parted -l ' so we can provide guidance .
[19:33] <bumblefuzz> anyone?
[19:34] <TJ-> RoadRunner: also, the bootrepair shows there were 10 kernel versions installed, which surely would cause a ~500MB /boot/ to run out of space
[19:34] <sud0x3> bumblefuzz: what do you mean by verify, hash check?
[19:35] <maluna> video corso
[19:35] <bumblefuzz> not just the hash check, securely verify
[19:35] <bumblefuzz> bottom of this page: https://ubuntu-mate.org/how-to-verify-downloads/
[19:35] <IntelCore> sda1 - /boot/efi sda2 - MS reserv sda3 - ntfs sda4 ext4, unallocated, sda5 swap, unallocated, sda6 ntfs , unallocated
[19:35] <RoadRunner> TJ-: ok, so let me make sure I get this: from my df it follows that /dev/sda1 was the booting fs from the live CD and I should have been trying to mount /dev/mapper/xubuntu--vg-root?
[19:36] <IntelCore> oh.. sowwy, will try pastebin
[19:36] <Bashing-om> IntelCore: :) .. Then we know what we are working with .
[19:36] <sud0x3> bumblefuzz: which section are you refering to 1-7?
[19:37] <bumblefuzz> sud0x3: this is the command that I get weird output for 'gpgv --keyring=/usr/share/keyrings/ubuntu-archive-keyring.gpg SHA256SUMS.gpg SHA256SUMS'
[19:38] <FurretUber> Hi, I upgraded a Artful install to Bionic and that made the system unbootable.
[19:38] <roothorick> what is the DHCP client used in 18.04 anyway?
[19:38] <IntelCore> Bashing : paste.ubuntu.com/p/wjkvdQw3M8/
[19:39] <rubenwardy> How can I install mingw-w64-gcc 7.x+ on 18.04?
[19:39] <rubenwardy> only gcc 5 is available currently
[19:40] <FurretUber> The OS was Xubuntu 17.10, the upgrade process went smoothly but when I rebooted the system refused to boot with a 0x1A error (Security Violation)
[19:40] <sud0x3> bumblefuzz: is gpgv an alias for gpg --verify
[19:40] <bumblefuzz> I don't know
[19:41] <sud0x3> also pastebing the output
[19:41] <pnwise> I am trying to run 18.04 in KVM and I am having problems with the picture
[19:41] <pnwise> ubuntu 18.04 mate works fine
[19:41] <FurretUber> I noticed there were two equal entries to choose in the computer's firmware to choose. One would restart and show the 0x1A error and the other would show the 0x1A error immediately
[19:41] <pnwise> Does anyone tried to run it in virtual machine?
[19:41] <Bashing-om> IntelCore: I do not see any unalocated space, there is a linux partition, sda4, of 400 GB .
[19:43] <IntelCore> Bash : between 3 and 4, Gparted graphic GUI application shows 76GB unallocated
[19:43] <nexus6> FurretUber: That means I shouldn't update! I'm on Xubuntu 17.10 too
[19:43] <rubenwardy> huh
[19:44] <rubenwardy> this is in docker, so it's probably due to that
[19:44] <bumblefuzz> sud0x3: pastebinit says I'm trying to send an empty document
[19:44] <IntelCore> FurretUber - have a EFI? UEFI disk with win on it?
[19:44] <bumblefuzz> sud0x3: this is the output: gpgv: Signature made Thu 01 Mar 2018 02:44:02 PM EST gpgv:                using DSA key 46181433FBB75451 gpgv: Can't check signature: No public key gpgv: Signature made Thu 01 Mar 2018 02:44:02 PM EST gpgv:                using RSA key D94AA3F0EFE21092 gpgv: Good signature from "Ubuntu CD Image Automatic Signing Key (2012) <cdimage@ubuntu.com>"
[19:44] <FurretUber> I had to boot another system and install grub. This is what I had to use with its outputs to repair the install: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qkN8FQn7Vp/
[19:44] <FurretUber> It's a notebook with UEFI and Secure Boot enabled
[19:45] <FurretUber> The HDD has only Xubuntu
[19:46] <FurretUber> While the Xubuntu is installed in UEFI mode, the disk is in MBR
[19:46] <FurretUber> I think the fact it's not GPT caused the issue
[19:46] <Eightynine> Does hibernation work in Solus?
[19:46] <rubenwardy> how do I update docker to use 18.04 rather than 16.04?
[19:47] <sud0x3> bumblefuzz: Have you downloaded the keys as instructed in step 4, follw the guide to the letter i dont see where your getting the command your using from the website.
[19:47] <Bashing-om> IntelCore: Oh .. I some how missed it .. but the space of 83 Gigs is between the 4th and 5th partitions. So sure .. can install 18.04 there .
[19:47] <TJ-> RoadRunner: xubuntu--vg-root is the root file-system which you'd need to chroot-mount. Once inside it, you'd need to "mount -a" so sda1 is correctly mounted to /boot/ then you can correctly remove the older kernel images and associated files
[19:47] <bumblefuzz> sud0x3: I'm using the instructions at the bottom of the page 'Check using Repository GPG Keys (secure)'
[19:48] <bumblefuzz> this is step 3
[19:49] <sud0x3> step three simply refers to downloading the hash and keyfile
[19:49] <sud0x3> then verify with gpg --verify SHA256SUMS.gpg SHA256SUMS
[19:49] <sud0x3> in step 5
[19:50] <bumblefuzz> sud0x3: https://ubuntu-mate.org/how-to-verify-downloads/
[19:50] <sud0x3> bumblefuzz: yeah apologies i just scrolled back to see you using mate
[19:50] <bumblefuzz> 3 is verify the keyring
[19:51] <IntelCore> Bashing- Made mah day !!!
[19:52] <RoadRunner> TJ-: got it; now, regarding removing older kernel images - earlier you said that booting from the oldest is likely to be best since the new(er) ones are probably corrupt?
[19:52] <sud0x3> bumblefuzz: Does the file '/usr/share/keyrings/ubuntu-archive-keyring.gpg' exist?
[19:53] <IntelCore> FurrettUber ?  be sure your win10 boot is correct. clean, and re-approach ubuntu with a uefi signed 64 install.
[19:53] <bumblefuzz> sud0x3: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8X4RzWSJt7/
[19:56] <IntelCore> first time in 14.04 Bash had to fix a mount point for my install on uefi/efi.
[19:57] <bumblefuzz> sud0x3: so, yes
[19:57] <sud0x3> bumblefuzz: Im not sure what is going on there, you could try gpg --verify SHA256SUMS.gpg SHA256SUMS as shown in ubunti docs
[19:57] <sud0x3> *ubuntu
[19:58] <bumblefuzz> sud0x3: I can't pastebinit, it says i'm trying to send an empty document... here's the output: gpg: Signature made Thu 01 Mar 2018 02:44:02 PM EST gpg:                using DSA key 46181433FBB75451 gpg: Can't check signature: No public key gpg: Signature made Thu 01 Mar 2018 02:44:02 PM EST gpg:                using RSA key D94AA3F0EFE21092 gpg: Can't check signature: No public key
[20:00] <bumblefuzz> why are these keys not on the ubuntu keyring
[20:00] <bumblefuzz> ?
[20:00] <bumblefuzz> I've never had this happen before
[20:01] <IntelCore> where u got it frum?
[20:02] <ubuntu_user_894> is it really necessary for the minimal installation option to include firefox?
[20:02] <ubuntu_user_894> firefox is pretty big
[20:03] <pnwise> Yes it it is necessary. It is desktop OS, you know how many people  will be ouotraged? If you want go download server
[20:04] <RoadRunner> TJ-: also, in which part of the system file tree would I find older kernel images and their files?
[20:04] <ubuntu_user_894> maybe there could be like a super-minimal installation option hidden somewhere in the installer
[20:04] <kostkon> ubuntu_user_894, have you ever seen a desktop OS without a browser
[20:04] <TJ-> RoadRunner: /boot/
[20:05] <TJ-> RoadRunner: for each linux-image-$VERSION there's a vmlinuz, Symbols, config, abi and initrd.img. initrd.img is generated locally and usually is the big space hog
[20:05] <TJ-> RoadRunner: typically 60MB each
[20:05] <ubuntu_user_894> well i mean MS was sued for trying to bundle a web browser long, long ago
[20:05] <sud0x3> bumblefuzz: try listing keys with gpg --list-keys
[20:06] <sud0x3> bumblefuzz: if the key is not shown, try gpg --import /usr/share/keyrings/ubuntu-archive-keyring.gpg
[20:06] <TJ-> ubuntu_user_894: that was due to the Microsoft  monopoly on the desktop being mis-used
[20:07] <ubuntu_user_894> idk i just thought it would be cool if there was like a hidden option even more minimal than the minimal install. like that just included gnome, a few utilities, & the store
[20:07] <kostkon> ubuntu_user_894, there's the mini iso
[20:07] <TJ-> ubuntu_user_894: use a -server install as a base if you want very minimal - most users installing a desktop will expect to find a familiar web user-agent which isn't hobbled
[20:07] <kostkon> !mini | ubuntu_user_894
[20:07] <kostkon> hope it's still a thing
[20:08] <TJ-> kostkon: it is, it's with the netinst images
[20:08] <IntelCore> my 16.04 desktop has things 18.04 does not
[20:08] <kostkon> TJ-, good to hear. it's useful to some people
[20:08] <Harrrrris> Ubuntu 18.04 install.... Screen rotates 180 degrees..... Xrandr -o normal doesn't work
[20:08] <TJ-> kostkon: used for PXE installs too
[20:09] <Osmodivs> Hello, I have Ubuntu-Gnome 16.04. when I am in RealFlow 10 it requires me to press Alt-RMB or LMB for navigation on the 3D viewport, but when I do it grabs the whole window to move it around or opens a Window menu, I do not know how to disable that, How can I disable it?
[20:09] <TJ-> Harrrrris: is it using Gnome Mutter/Wayland rather than Xorg display server?
[20:09] <ubuntu_user_894> ty
[20:09] <Harrrrris> Thanks how do I check
[20:09] <Bashing-om> ubuntu_user_894: Maybe consider: https://xubuntu.org/news/introducing-xubuntu-core/ . And install the browser of your choice ?
[20:09] <BLZbubba> hi guys where does 18.04 put grub.cfg on an efi system?  dpkg appears to put it in /boot/grub but the efi loader wants it in /boot/efi/boot/grub/grub.cfg
[20:10] <TJ-> Harrrrris: I think "echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE"
[20:10] <BLZbubba> so i have to run mkconfig by hand after kernel updates or the system won't boot
[20:11] <Harrrrris> X11
[20:11] <ubuntu_user_894> that looks cool
[20:11] <bumblefuzz> can someone help me securely verify my ubuntu download?
[20:11] <jay_Ei> Help. I forgot what to install so that I can set wifi password. I have installed wicd.  Got a message that wifi was detected. Help said to use Network putton in applet area. There is No such network. ifquery shows "lo", not wlan0
[20:11] <nicomachus> bumblefuzz: there is an MD5 on the download page you can use.
[20:11] <TJ-> BLZbubba: if using the grub-efi-signed packages then GRUB should  write a grub.cfg to /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grub.cfg enough for the core image, which will read the 'real' /boot/grub/grub.cfg when the 'normal' module loads
[20:11] <ubuntu_user_894> fits on a cd too :)
[20:12] <nicomachus> jay_Ei: does 'sudo lshw -C network' show a wlan0 (or any wlan) device?
[20:12] <Harrrrris> TJ  it outputted "x11
[20:12] <tomreyn> bumblefuzz: https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-how-to-verify-ubuntu#0
[20:12] <sud0x3> bumblefuzz: did you try listing keys and verify the key your checking against was there
[20:12] <TJ-> ubuntu_user_894: the mini.iso needs a network connection to the Ubuntu servers, which can be a problem on systems with proprietary NICs or firmware
[20:13] <IntelCore> TJ is correct on that boot
[20:13] <ubuntu_user_894> i've got a PCI network card that is supported by linux-libre
[20:13] <ubuntu_user_894> highly unlikely that would be an issue ;)
[20:13] <BLZbubba> TJ-: what is the best command to run to generate grub.cfg, or do I have to run grub2-mkconfig and guess where to put it?
[20:13] <TJ-> BLZbubba: "sudo update-grub" does it
[20:13] <sud0x3> bumblefuzz: if your still stuggling maybe join #ubuntu-mate
[20:14] <TJ-> BLZbubba: update-grub is a wrapper around grub-mkconfig
[20:14] <sud0x3> ubuntu_user_894: who is using cd's :)
[20:14] <BLZbubba> TJ-: i ran this last time and the system is happy: grub2-mkconfig > /boot/efi/EFI/BOOT/grub.cfg
[20:14] <jay_Ei> nicomachus: lshw does show wireless interface. I have a BCM4312 and have already installed that driver.
[20:15] <nicomachus> jay_Ei: what driver does it show?
[20:15] <FurretUber> The other disk is fine. I reported the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1767501
[20:15] <ubuntu_user_894> true, true XD
[20:15] <TJ-> BLZbubba: that's almost what update-grub does
[20:15] <BLZbubba> but i'm guessing that won't survive the next couple of kernel updates
[20:15] <BLZbubba> unless i do ln -s /boot/efi/EFI/BOOT/grub.cfg /boot/grub/
[20:16] <TJ-> BLZbubba: sounds like there's something 'custom' about how you've installed/configured the system, because the packages are designed to take care of that situation themselves
[20:16] <nicomachus> i'm not sure that's sustainable or wise, BLZbubba
[20:16] <BLZbubba> nicomachus: agreed but update-grub writes the cfg to /boot/grub, whereas grubx86.efi doesn't read it from there
[20:16] <RoadRunner> TJ-: ok, I got this too. But, why would trying to manually mount my fs  work (while it failed automaticaly on boot) if there is a space/inode usage issue?
[20:17] <jay_Ei> nichomachus: show two interfaces: 1)Wireless interface. 2)Ethernet.  wireless is BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY
[20:17] <purvesh> can someone help me with rtcwake command I want whenever my laptop start then It should goto sleep every 28 minute & wakeup every 28min 1 second (I have cpu/bios bug which autoshutdown my laptop every 30 minutes but if i set my laptop goto sleep every 28min & wake up in a second then it will not shutdown) so i think rtcwake auto sleep & wake command will help me
[20:17] <nicomachus> jay_Ei: can you pastebin the full output of 'sudo lshw -C network' and link the paste here? Need to see what driver it has and make sure it's correct before we take the next step.
[20:18] <IntelCore> <<  thinks a windows MBR was a fix for dual boot.  I had to re-write the MBR for Win 10, then install Grub.
[20:18] <TJ-> RoadRunner: because if /boot/ file-system runs out of space whilst the latest initrd.img-$VERSION is being written, there'll be a truncated (corrupted) file - the system should detect that and delete it to prevent the boot time issue, but doesn;t
[20:19] <BLZbubba> hmm i don't see any packages that own /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu
[20:19] <baumy> where can I find the libxcb randr headers for ubuntu xenial?
[20:19] <TJ-> RoadRunner: initrd.img is a root file-system sufficient to find and mount the REAL root file-system, so if it gets broken, the system is stuck, which is why we reply on keeping older kernel versions (and their initrd.imgs) around as a fail-safe
[20:19] <IntelCore> tha ms have a fixor for efi boot
[20:19] <baumy> there doesn't seem to be a libxcb-randr-dev or libxcb-randr0-dev package
[20:19] <TheSov> I did a do release upgrade on my desktop now my USB ports stopped working anyone know what I can do?
[20:20] <TheSov> on my cell atm
[20:20] <baumy> actually, that second one exists but rofi isn't building, which is the problem i'm trying to solve
[20:20] <TJ-> BLZbubba: No, because the path is generated not packaged
[20:20] <TheSov> I have an Asus rog mobo
[20:20] <jay_Ei> nichomachus: No. on a different computer  have not installed xchat yet on target machine.  IT DID SAY that wireless  SSIDS were detected.
[20:20] <TJ-> BLZbubba: the various "grub-efi-*" packages are responsible for generating/installing the appropriate files
[20:21] <IntelCore> TJ - he had an MBR on the hard drive
[20:21] <TJ-> IntelCore: why would that matter?
[20:22] <IntelCore> If he does then the efi/efi/grub
[20:22] <TJ-> IntelCore: makes no difference to which file-systems are possible though
[20:22] <IntelCore> I had to correct the mbr, then grub worked
[20:23] <TJ-> IntelCore: little-known fact - the UEFI specification requires firmware support BOTH GPT and MBR partitioning schemes
[20:23] <ubuntu_user_894> wow, i actually didn't know that
[20:24] <IntelCore> Also, Bash in here had to fix a mount for ubuntu, so
[20:24] <TJ-> ubuntu_user_894: not many due; it's hidden away in the UEFI appendices, I had reason to check in it some time ago now
[20:24] <RoadRunner> TJ-: the comp I am on now (not the one under repair), has 20 kernel images with initrd.imgs 13-39MB each. Is 20 the default number and is it better to decrease that number to conserve space?
[20:25] <TJ-> RoadRunner: usually "sudo apt autoremove" is supposed to be used occassionaly and leave just the 3 most recent kernels
[20:25] <TJ-> RoadRunner: with /boot/ in the root FS this isn't usually an issue since it generally has GBs of free space
[20:25] <nicomachus> !pm | jay_Ei
[20:25] <TJ-> RoadRunner: but got a ~500MB FS that quickly uses it all up
[20:26] <TJ-> s/but got/but on/
[20:26] <IntelCore> TY for help. GL TJ/Bashing/PPL/Peeps.
[20:27] <RoadRunner> TJ-: then why is boot partition set up to be so small by default?
[20:28] <TJ-> RoadRunner: because we only expect 3 or 4 versions to be kept. There is an option for apt to autoremove kernels but it's disabled by default, I think.
[20:28] <TJ-> RoadRunner: this has been an issue for about 10 years now but there's so much indecision around it that nothing has been changed
[20:30] <TJ-> RoadRunner: the counter-argument basically goes "but if we delete kernels without User's explicit consent it might break they system" - my response is "let's keep a boot-timestamp-counter per-version so we know which might be in use and get confirmation before removing those apparently required
[20:31] <nacc> TJ-: apt doesn't autoremove by default in general, but it will prompt and if you run the command, it will clear out old kernels
[20:31] <RoadRunner> TJ-: I could have opted to just install the newly released lts but decided to try to figure this issue out so that if it happens again, I'd know what to do.  Is this default left the same in 18.04?
[20:32] <harris> TJ-, i fixed it
[20:33] <purvesh> can someone help me with rtcwake command I want whenever my laptop start then It should goto sleep every 28 minute & wakeup every 28min 1 second (I have cpu/bios bug which autoshutdown my laptop every 30 minutes but if i set my laptop goto sleep every 28min & wake up in a second then it will not shutdown) so i think rtcwake auto sleep & wake command will help me
[20:34] <TJ-> nacc: I was on about "Unattended-Upgrade::Remove-Unused-Kernel-Packages" in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades not being enabled by default
[20:38] <MonkeyDust> purvesh  try this   sudo rtcwake -m disk -t $(date +%s -d +28*60)
[20:38] <TJ-> RoadRunner: the situation for size of boot, and not autremoving kernels, is the same in 18.04
[20:41] <RoadRunner> TJ-: just typed in sudo apt autoremove on this comp, out of 20 kernels it offered to remove only 2 not even mentioning the 18 that are older still...
[20:41] <aliendude5300> Hello, I just installed Ubuntu 18.04 on a new system (wiped) and it will not boot. It asks for the encryption key but when I enter it the system does not get pack the boot screen
[20:42] <aliendude5300> I am 100% sure I entered the key correctly, and did a reinstall to verify
[20:42] <aliendude5300> There are errors in the log while trying to unlock.
[20:42] <RoadRunner> TJ-: *typo: 16 that are older still
[20:42] <aliendude5300> https://imgur.com/a/1nZQuJu
[20:43] <RadicalEntity> Anyone have an idea on what's going on with this on 18.04? The hard drives eventually come online, but it slows my boot time. https://pastebin.com/GhgfLjAe
[20:45] <aliendude5300> One of the messages says warning failed to connect to lvmetad
[20:45] <aliendude5300> Then there is a crypt: unknown target type message and a reload ioctl on failed: invalid argument message
[20:46] <TJ-> RoadRunner: does "apt list --installed linux-image-*" list lots of older kernels, or are the files left overs not tracked by package management maybe? That can happen after release-upgrades
[20:47] <aliendude5300> I installed the system with the minimal desktop option + crypto + lvm
[20:49] <TJ-> aliendude5300: does the pass phrase contain some non English characters? is the installed locale not en_US? it could be the keyboard mapping isn't set correctly in the initrd when you're asked for the passphrase
[20:49] <aliendude5300> My passphrase only contains english characters
[20:50] <aliendude5300> It contains mixed case, the - symbol, [,], and #.
[20:50] <aliendude5300> also a period.
[20:50] <TJ-> aliendude5300: so it appears to accept the passphrase then fails on the key-mapping ?
[20:50] <aliendude5300> I guess so. I am not a huge expert in how it works behind the scenes
[20:50] <TJ-> aliendude5300: which suggests the initrd.img doesn't contain the required kernel modules, or is not modprobe-ing them, before trying to unlock
[20:51] <aliendude5300> I can reproduce it reliably - I installed 3 times
[20:51] <aliendude5300> If it makes any difference I'm using an NVMe SSD as my storage
[20:51] <nacc> TJ-: ah that's unattended-upgrades specific, which is why i was confused :)
[20:51] <TJ-> aliendude5300: does it eventually  drop to the initramfs shell prompt?
[20:51] <aliendude5300> I'm guessing I discovered a bug in 18.04
[20:52] <aliendude5300> It eventually says cryptosetup will go to sleep for 60 seconds and hangs
[20:52] <nacc> RoadRunner: also note that autoremove won't remove kernels that were *manually* installed or held
[20:52] <nacc> RoadRunner: autoremove is not smarter than you :)
[20:52] <TJ-> aliendude5300: hmmm, that's not very user friendly. I use encrypted installs extensively and am very familiar with it, but this is a new one for me
[20:53] <Summi> Hello everyone. Hope you're all doing good. I'm trying to install node as from the following website but the command throws an error for some reason.
[20:53] <Summi> I'm on a VM with Xubuntu 18.04 installed
[20:53] <RoadRunner> TJ-: nacc: this is what I got after running autoremove: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4P6M8Nyr33/ seems more should be removed, no?
[20:53] <Mikjaer> Will Ubuntu's official login manager switch from lightdm to gdm during this release?
[20:53] <Summi> Does anyone happen to know if 18.04 supports installing node.js yet
[20:53] <Summi> ?
[20:53] <Summi> Thank you
[20:53] <aliendude5300> My passphrase is something complex similar to "--[-Word#Word.A#More#Words*123*Word-]--", with all of those symbols included.
[20:54] <aliendude5300> Considering I've typed it like 100+ times total, and the last like 15 attempts failed on 18.04 I am 100% sure it's not a typing mistake
[20:54] <TJ-> RoadRunner: seems like all those 3.19 versions are locally (means manually) installed
[20:55] <yokowka> good all to you! do you read me?)
[20:55] <TJ-> aliendude5300: have you tried with a very simple passphrase?
[20:55] <aliendude5300> No
[20:55] <aliendude5300> I can try that
[20:55] <kostkon> yokowka, roger
[20:55] <TJ-> aliendude5300: would be a good idea. that way we can figure out where the issue truly lies
[20:56] <TJ-> aliendude5300: have you tried manually unlocking it from a liveISO installer  started in Try Ubuntu mode?
[20:56] <RoadRunner> TJ-: don't know enough to doing anything but autoupdate:) ok, so the only way to remove them is manually, one at a time?
[20:56] <aliendude5300> I'm doing a reinstall now. I'm going to use abcdefg12 as my passphrase to test
[20:57] <aliendude5300> If that's not simple, I don't know what is ;)
 what do yoy mean?
[20:57] <yokowka> *you
[20:58] <yokowka> говоритъ кто по- руски?
[20:58] <TJ-> RoadRunner: what does "apt-get --dry-run autoremove" report ?
[20:58] <aliendude5300> Okay, it's failing with a very simple passphrase.
[20:59] <aliendude5300> This is frustrating. Let me boot into the live installer and try to unlock it
[20:59] <nicomachus> !ru | yokowka
[20:59] <nicomachus> yokowka: "roger" is an English word used sometimes to acknowledge that a signal/message was received.
[21:00] <TJ-> aliendude5300: which exactly ISO installer image are you using (so I can try to replicate) ?
[21:01] <aliendude5300> TJ: let me check
[21:01] <yokowka> thank you nicomachus
[21:01] <nicomachus> you're welcome yokowka
[21:02] <RoadRunner> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ythWB7GNNd/
[21:02] <aliendude5300> md5sum ubuntu-18.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[21:02] <aliendude5300> 129292a182136a35e1f89c586dbac2e2  ubuntu-18.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[21:03] <TJ-> aliendude5300: thanks, I'll download it and test. Did you do the standard guided install method?
[21:03] <TJ-> RoadRunner: so no candidates for autoremoval yet lots of linux-image-* packages installed. Seems like the system has got itself confused
[21:04] <yokowka> who knows how paste gnome theme to the folder usr/share/themes wrights system: there is no rules to create folder in the plase of destination?
[21:04] <aliendude5300> Yes. I launched Ubiquity. Settings: Minimal desktop, yes to install additional packages, no to turn off secure boot (it is already off), erase disk and install, check the crypto and LVM, enter literally anything as passphrase, then do the install.
[21:04] <aliendude5300> If it helps, I'm on a Dell Precision laptop with a Samsung PM981 NVMe drive
[21:05] <aliendude5300> I use the default partition scheme for LVM
[21:05] <TJ-> RoadRunner: show us "pastebinit <( ls -latr /boot/ ; df --output )"
[21:06] <aliendude5300> Okay, I am in the live image now. I CAN unlock the drive using the passphrase I created.
[21:06] <aliendude5300> (via GNOME Disks)
[21:06] <aliendude5300> All the files seem to be there
[21:07] <aliendude5300> It looks like the root filesystem is in fact encrypted, and the default LVM did not give me a /home
[21:07] <RoadRunner> TJ-: so the same thing that happened on my other comp can easily happen here as well?... OK, so is there an easy way to remove all old (3.19) images and which 4.4 images are safe to remove?
[21:07] <aliendude5300> (by a /home I mean a separate partition)
[21:07] <TJ-> aliendude5300: the way it is supposed to work with an encrypted root file-system is the 'cryptsetup' tools are installed into the initrd.img along with a script that should 'modprobe' a list of required kernel modules (for the cipher/hash schemes used). The messages you are seeing suggest those modules are not being inserted
[21:07] <aliendude5300> Well this sucks. Can I chroot into it and fix it? I'd really like to use this
[21:08] <TJ-> RoadRunner: you could do " sudo apt remove linux-image{,-extra}-3.19* "
[21:08] <TJ-> aliendude5300: no, at this point you've no access to the root file-system - that's the issue!
[21:09] <aliendude5300> I'm in a live environment with it mounted
[21:09] <TJ-> aliendude5300: which was why I asked if it dropped to the initramfs shell since then we'd have a simple command-line to try to fix it from
[21:09] <aliendude5300> It's able to decrypt it just fine from the live USB
[21:09] <TJ-> aliendude5300: something is wrong if a start job just hangs and the system doesn't drop to a shell for user fixing
[21:09] <skjensen> Hi guys, is there a way to get a systemd service to read a config or global variable? I like my service to run on a different port on each host and will prefer a config file instead of editing the service on all the hosts..
[21:10] <aliendude5300> I can get you any debugging info you need. I'd like to see this fixed
[21:10] <TJ-> aliendude5300: huh? I thought you'd said it couldn't decrypt manually from a Try ubuntu session?
[21:10] <aliendude5300> No, I can get it to decrypt just fine in try ubuntu
[21:10] <aliendude5300> :-)
[21:10] <aliendude5300> Booting the thing on its own is broken though
[21:10] <TJ-> aliendude5300: OK, so that proves your passphrase is good
[21:10] <aliendude5300> Yes
[21:11] <TJ-> aliendude5300: so it does come down to the initrd.img and either (1) keyboard mapping or (2) default system locale
[21:11] <aliendude5300> Well, I use a standard US English keyboard
[21:11] <TJ-> aliendude5300: Let's set up a chroot then. In the Live env do "sudo apt install pastebinit"
[21:12] <TJ-> aliendude5300: then show us "pastebinit <( sudo blkid ; lsblk -f )"
[21:13] <TJ-> skjensen: could you make use of systemd template files (usually used to create multiple instances on the /same/ host, but has the plumbing for such a thing)
[21:14] <aliendude5300> TJ: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QMSmBgtnD9/
[21:14] <skjensen> TJ, might be a possible solution..
[21:15] <TJ-> aliendude5300: OK: "sudo mkdir /target" then "sudo mount /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root /target"
[21:15] <TJ-> aliendude5300: then "for n in proc sys dev dev/pts etc/resolv.conf; do sudo mount --bind /$n /target/$n; done"
[21:17] <roothorick> No package installs dnsmasq.conf in 18.04 now? Is that right?
[21:17] <aliendude5300> TJ: Done, no output
[21:18] <TJ-> aliendude5300: good sign! now enter the chroot with "sudo chroot /target" - you're now in the 'broken' OS. First do "mount -a" to do all the autmounts (if any)
[21:19] <aliendude5300> mount -a shows a few can't find UUID's in there
[21:19] <aliendude5300>  /boot and /boot/EFI failed
[21:19] <Bashing-om> roothorick: " sysop@x1804mini:~$ sudo find / -name dnsmasq.conf >> /etc/dbus-1/system.d/dnsmasq.conf " .
[21:19] <TJ-> aliendude5300: hmmm, that's not a good sign. That command emulates what the boot-time reading of /etc/fstab does
[21:19] <aliendude5300> interesting
[21:20] <UBUNTUME> Why is my touchpad not working right on beaver?
[21:20] <roothorick> Bashing-om: that's not the actual dnsmasq.conf
[21:20] <aliendude5300> The UUID for nvme0n1p2 matches the one it is looking for
[21:20] <TJ-> aliendude5300: I'm /guessing/  nvme0n1p2 would be where the separate /boot/ file-system is (supposed to be)
[21:20] <aliendude5300> Yes
[21:20] <UBUNTUME> Right click is no longer working... and nor is two finger scrolling
[21:21] <TJ-> aliendude5300: OK, so we have the first signs of an issue, but let's move on for now to check the initrd.img
[21:21] <aliendude5300> Where would that be?
[21:21] <aliendude5300>  /var/log?
[21:22] <TJ-> aliendude5300: we'll re-generate the initrd.img with verbose logging and check the list of installed modules by cryptsetup. We need to know the kernel version first, so show us "pastebinit <( ls -latr /boot/ )" - if as expected we don't see the kernels that's due to "mount -a" failing and we need to sort that out
[21:23] <aliendude5300> pastbinit isn't in the chroot, hold on
[21:24] <TJ-> aliendude5300: ahhh, yes, I should really remember that by now!
[21:25] <aliendude5300> Only . and .. are in the list. NO files in /boot
[21:25] <RoadRunner> TJ-: Thank you :). removed 3.19 images, 2.2GB freed! So which of the 4.4 images are safe to remove?
[21:25] <RoadRunner> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7Tg94PRFRw/
[21:27] <TJ-> RoadRunner: I'd say -96. -97, -98
[21:27] <Summerstorm> I just installed 18.04. Does anyone want to warn me of how horrible it is?
[21:27] <TJ-> RoadRunner: that leaves the 2 most recent (automatic) installs
[21:27] <aliendude5300> What can I do to mount the /boot ?
[21:28] <aliendude5300> I can see in it and it is not encrypted from the host OS
[21:28] <TJ-> aliendude5300: right, let's look at fstab: "pastebinit /etc/fstab"
[21:29] <TJ-> aliendude5300: we're expecting to see a valid mount entry for 24a1b2df-804b-47dc-b698-4ce330e71e23 /boot
[21:29] <aliendude5300> TJ: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5NSRGqJHY5/
[21:29] <Bashing-om> Summerstorm: Ubuntu and xubuntu 18.04 smooth as butter for me :)
[21:29] <RoadRunner> TJ-: any clever syntax to automate that:) ?
[21:30] <Butterfly_> Bashing-om : stop highlighting me
[21:30] <Butterfly_> :p
[21:30] <clarity510> Hey. I enabled File sharing, but I can't seem to connect to my computer
[21:30] <[Bond007]> A quick question, don´t know about the answer: came from osx.. how to chown the 3 disks I added full of s/w I want to save after installing?
[21:31] <clarity510> it's dav://machine-name.local right?
[21:31] <TJ-> RoadRunner: "sudo apt remove linux-image{,-extra}-4.4.0-9{6,7,8}-generic"
[21:31] <Summerstorm> Bahing-om : Thanks. I used 17.10 a while. Is it much different than that?
[21:31] <clarity510> I'm using Ubuntu 17 btw
[21:32] <Bashing-om> Summerstorm: Unable to advise as I have not used 17.10 .
[21:32] <TJ-> clarity510: machine-name.local would appear to be relying on local mutlicast DNS resolvers and advertisers on all systems. On Ubuntu/Linux that's the avahi packages
[21:32] <clarity510> hrm, I can nmap machine-name.local, but the ports aren't open
[21:33] <aliendude5300> As far as I know, the /etc/fstab is just fine
[21:33] <TJ-> clarity510: you can manually check what is advertised with "avahi-browse -art"
[21:33] <Summerstorm> Okey doke then, I'll check back later to see if anyone else comes up with something intersting.
[21:33] <sveinse> 18.04 fixes all issues I've had with the external displays and setting on this Lenovo P51 laptop, so a big thank you to ubuntu for this :D
[21:33] <kolbert> 18.04 is out?
[21:33] <Kamilion> mir is dead, long live xorg.
[21:33] <kolbert> :-D
[21:33] <kolbert> Gonna install when I get home
[21:34] <sveinse> kolbert: indeed, 18.04 is out
[21:34] <devslash2> has anyone here installed Ubuntu 18.04 in VirtualBox. i just did a fresh install and its really sluggish
[21:34] <TJ-> aliendude5300: let me see the failed mount messages: "pastebinit <( mount -a )"
[21:34] <Kamilion> remember, do-release-upgrade will only be available after 18.04.1
[21:34] <Kamilion> you'll either have to -d it or do a clean install
[21:34] <Bashing-om> sudormrf: Bionic however features many changes, you will do well to read the release notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes .
[21:34] <lauren> anyone know of software for ubuntu that allows per-process per-host total-bandwidth-used monitoring on ubuntu?
[21:34] <lauren> oops said "on ubuntu" twice
[21:34] <Kamilion> and I know there's some weird bugs -- like 16.04 -> 18.04 will try to remove apparmor
[21:34] <Chris999> hello everyone
[21:35] <devslash2> 18.04 is buggy for me
[21:35] <Kamilion> that'll probably be fixed by 18.04.1
[21:35] <clarity510> Do you have to reboot after turning filesharing on?
[21:35] <lauren> I've looked around a bit and nothing I can find is lightweight enough to run as a daemon and log bandwidth use
[21:35] <Chris999> anyone having an Intel Surface Laptop ? need to make the keyboard work ... I probably need the keyboard driver
[21:35] <sveinse> I've been running a prerelease of 18.04 for about a month, and its working smooth for me. Using it for my daily work
[21:35] <Kamilion> devslash2: file issues so they can be fixed; this week will be spent fixing as many as possible.
[21:35] <TJ-> lauren: well, you're asking for per-packet logging from the netfilters layer, that can be very expensive on resources
[21:35] <aliendude5300> paste.ubuntu.com/p/gxw6KbKNPQ
[21:36] <devslash2> Kamilion, the thing is, its just slow/completely unresponsive
[21:36] <devslash2> its not one specific issue with an application/binary
[21:36] <Kamilion> devslash2: How much ram? You'll need 1.5GB minimum.
[21:36] <lauren> TJ-: hmm, interesting. how expensive is expensive? the thing I was thinking of is "just run tcpdump and analyze the packet dumps"
[21:36] <devslash2> 4 GB
[21:36] <Kamilion> for the virtualbox?
[21:36] <devslash2> yea
[21:36] <Kamilion> which flavor?
[21:36] <devslash2> its completely locked up right now
[21:36] <devslash2> 18.04 desktop
[21:37] <Kamilion> I deal with lubuntu
[21:37] <lauren> TJ-: do you know of anything lighter weight than that? I'm also cool with bandwidth monitoring to classes of hosts - ie, "internet" vs "local network" type thing
[21:37] <Kamilion> sorry, dunno about the unity bs
[21:37] <TJ-> aliendude5300: did /dev fail to mount earlier I wonder? let's check. "pastebinit <( mount )"
[21:37] <devslash2> what desktop WM does lubuntu use
[21:37] <Kamilion> i can't stand that sidebar
[21:37] <Kamilion> uh, openbox I think.
[21:37] <docyam2> Hey
[21:37] <Chris999> so , no Surface users here ? :( my keyboard won`t work ...
[21:37] <devslash2> i make it auto hide the sidebar
[21:38] <Kamilion> i just want a start menu, I don't want all this fullscreen fluff
[21:38] <aliendude5300> TJ: paste.ubuntu.com/p/sStQHt4VSd
[21:38] <TJ-> lauren: there are a lot of options but all of them require inspecting packets and counting/adding at some point
[21:38] <MonkeyDust> Chris999  use the up key to repeat your question every 10-15 minutes or so, until someone can help
[21:38] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/AbDt0/6477d5b6a9.png  <--- Lubuntu is good enough for me. :D
[21:39] <lauren> TJ-: that's not surprising. what options do you know of? if it's expensive, I'll just have to deal with that fact; would still be nice if there were something a bit easier than parsing tcpdump
[21:39] <aliendude5300> I remounted /dev and it is now working @TJ
[21:39] <aliendude5300> Let me redo ls -latr /boot
[21:40] <devslash2> Kamilion, I just force reset my VM.
[21:40] <aliendude5300> TJ: paste.ubuntu.com/p/WzykRs8hmW
[21:40] <TJ-> aliendude5300: doh! one of us mistyped earlier and missed out the /dev/ bind mount. Exit the chroot: "exit" and do "sudo umount /target/dev/pts; sudo mount --bind /dev /target/dev; sudo mount --bind /dev/pts /target/dev/pts" then re-enter: "sudo chroot /target" and do "mount -a" and there should be no errors
[21:40] <aliendude5300> I figured that one out already ;)
[21:40] <TJ-> lauren: you might be some better answers in ##networking
[21:41] <aliendude5300> The above paste is the boot contents from within chroot
[21:41] <TJ-> lauren: that or possibly #ubuntu-server
[21:41] <Chris999> ok MonkeyDust, I will , thank you
[21:41] <purvesh> MonkeyDust, Thanks for reply, I tried your command it gives me an error of invalid date
[21:41] <Kamilion> Also: To whoever came on the ubuntu-mini-remix-16.04-amd64.iso torrent and revived it from the dead a week ago: THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU
[21:41] <lauren> ah, thanks!
[21:41] <lauren> they're probably not here, Kamilion :)
[21:41] <devslash2> Kamilion, After a reboot, my entire desktop is non-responsive
[21:42] <devslash2> Kamilion, i can see the desktop but nothing is responding to mouse clicks
[21:42] <Kamilion> devslash2: Try hitting alt-space a few times
[21:42] <Kamilion> sometimes I've gotten the cursor grabbing something and it gets stuck that way
[21:42] <TJ-> aliendude5300: you keep getting ahead of me!
[21:42] <Kamilion> and alt-space is enough to release it
[21:42] <RoadRunner> TJ-: thank you again, another 600+MB liberated! now, why is there a "linux-image-extra" for every "linux-image" present, is it a backup?
[21:42] <Kamilion> RoadRunner: that's the loadable kernel modules for a ton of devices
[21:42] <devslash2> Kamilion, no luck
[21:43] <devslash2> deader than elvis
[21:43] <Kamilion> RoadRunner: you can clear them out along with the linux-images, don't leave them behind.
[21:43] <TJ-> aliendude5300: right, so we've now got /boot/ mounted. So you should see vmlinuz/initrd.img etc., with "ls -latr /boot/"
[21:43] <Kamilion> RoadRunner: you may or may not also have associated kernel-headers packages for corresponding versions, those can be removed too.
[21:43] <Chris999> Anyone having an Intel Surface Laptop ? I`d be hugely indebtted if you could help me please.. my keyboard won`t work :(
[21:44] <TJ-> RoadRunner: -extra- contains most of the 'extra' optional kernel modules
[21:44] <aliendude5300> Yes, paste.ubuntu.com/p/WzykRs8hmW
[21:44] <purvesh> MonkeyDust, But this command I found which will do my job:   sleep 10; sudo rtcwake -s 02 -m mem (but I don't know how to set this to auto repeat every 28 minutes or repeat the command Cron joh in ubuntu)
[21:44] <TJ-> RoadRunner: that way basic virtual-machine installs don't need loads of never-used modules
[21:44] <Kamilion> devslash2: Well, that sucks. Uh. Try another desktop? I hear kubuntu's nice, but heavy. Havn't tried it myself.
[21:45] <devslash2> ugh i hate kde
[21:45] <Kamilion> kde or qt?
[21:45] <devslash2> kde
[21:45] <Kamilion> I don't mind QT anymore
[21:45] <Kamilion> 5.x has been decent
[21:45] <Kamilion> QT4 was a thorn in my side
[21:45] <devslash2> i tried kubuntu which uses the KDE WM. its ugly AF
[21:45] <Kamilion> change themes, there's a bunch
[21:46] <purvesh> MonkeyDust, do you know how can I set that command as cron job ?
[21:46]  * Kamilion just sticks with lubuntu, no theme, and minimal tools
[21:46] <Kamilion> I've annoyed the lubuntu devs enough to get my preferences into the lubuntu defaults
[21:46] <RoadRunner> Kamilion: re "associated kernel-headers packages for corresponding versions" how would I check for the presence of those?
[21:46] <TJ-> aliendude5300: good! now we'll regenerate the initrd.img and capture a log of what's included, then share the log. "update-initramfs -vu -k 4.15.0-20-generic |& tee /tmp/uir.log" then "pastebinit /tmp/uir.log"
[21:47] <Kamilion> RoadRunner: uh, good question. Normally I `apt install wajig` and `wajig sizes`
[21:47] <Kamilion> RoadRunner: as for how others would do it? I think synaptic or muon would work
[21:47] <TJ-> RoadRunner: "apt list --installed linux-headers*'
[21:47] <Kamilion> ooh, apt has a list command?
[21:47] <TJ-> man!
[21:48] <Kamilion> oh. that was not the output I expected.
[21:48] <RoadRunner> Kamilion: TJ-: thank you guys! I have to depart for 20min but promise to be back with more questions :) hope to see you both here when I return :)
[21:48] <purvesh> How can I install Ubuntu & Lubuntu together dual boot & lateron I can remove Lubuntu which should not affect functionality of Ubuntu (first OS) should I make different boot partition for both OS of in one boot partition only I should install ?
[21:49] <Kamilion> RoadRunner: I havn't left IRC for 10 years.
[21:49] <TJ-> RoadRunner: generally, once linux-image* are removed "apt autoremove" will take out yjr linux-headers* packages
[21:49] <Kamilion> Highlight me if you have an information request.
[21:49] <aliendude5300> TJ: paste.ubuntu.com/p/t6Sj6Hn6nt
[21:49] <Kamilion> reminds me, I need to fork wajig for 18.04
[21:50] <Chris999> anyone  who can give me a hand ? :) I don`t know how to follow some instructions ...
[21:50] <Kamilion> or get the maintainer to drop the Depends on aptitude
[21:50] <RadicalEntity> Has anyone had a look at my pastebin?
[21:50] <Kamilion> Chris999: what sort of instructions are you having trouble with?
[21:50] <TJ-> aliendude5300: 1st possible (vital) problem! "cryptsetup: WARNING: invalid line in /etc/crypttab for luks-98c2ce02-6cb1-4a2d-a086-1e8cf78a3c58 -"
[21:50] <TJ-> aliendude5300: line 1156
[21:51] <Chris999> https://github.com/jakeday/linux-surface/blob/master/README.md
[21:51] <aliendude5300> Well that is not good
[21:52] <Kamilion> Chris999: says right at the top the keyboard doesn't work for surface laptop
[21:52] <aliendude5300> Let me pastebin the crypttab file
[21:52] <Chris999> darn ....
[21:52] <Kamilion> Chris999: plug in a USB keyboard.
[21:52] <Chris999> and I like so much this ubuntu ...
[21:53] <aliendude5300> paste.ubuntu.com/p/cY2yQ3B5wP
[21:53] <TJ-> aliendude5300: that's the problem too, your earlier pastebin shows that's the UUID for the LVM ( https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QMSmBgtnD9/ )
[21:53] <Kamilion> Run it in a VM then.
[21:53] <Kamilion> linux doesn't really care where it's run, and has no bullcrap licensing checks or serial number tomfoolery.
[21:53] <Chris999> I have done just that just can`t belive we are in 2018 and no one has built a driver for a keyboard yet ...
[21:53] <Kamilion> Chris999: blame microsoft or whoever made that device for using something nonstandard.
[21:54] <Chris999> yes , microsoft are proper shit ... hate windows
[21:54] <Kamilion> Just install WSL, Chris999
[21:54] <Kamilion> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10
[21:54] <Kamilion> you'll get ubuntu with it.
[21:54] <aliendude5300> So the bug is that the LVM UUID is being used instead of /root...?
[21:55] <Kamilion> if you want a desktop, https://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php
[21:55] <dchotas> hello everyone, im not being able to connect anything through hdmi to my laptop, other os's same machine work fine
[21:55] <Kamilion> Chris999: microsoft and canonical have been working together for a while.
[21:55] <TJ-> aliendude5300: I'm doing the same test here to see why you get that message. crypttab looks fine so it could be a red herring
[21:57] <RadicalEntity> Debian comes to Windows WSL for the next update.
[21:58] <TJ-> aliendude5300: this is the problem for sure; after those warnings (which should not be there) you would normally see a few files added such as "Adding binary /sbin/cryptsetup" and the kernel modules I mentioned earlier. So now we know what top focus on
[21:58] <TJ-> aliendude5300: the bug is, something in /etc/crypttab as written by the installer, is breaking the initramfs hooks installed by cryptsetup package which are responsible for adding support for encrypted root into the initrd.img
[21:58] <TJ-> aliendude5300: the pastebin format looked fine, so I'm wondering if there are embedded invisble characters causing a problem. Can you show us "pastebinit <( hexdump -C /etc/crypttab )"
[21:59] <aliendude5300> paste.ubuntu.com/p/kWKvjqtkgT/
[22:00] <aliendude5300> Hey TJ, the last character, that period ... should that be there?
[22:00] <aliendude5300> I think that's messed up
[22:01] <aliendude5300> Let me open it with vi and delete it, if I mess up this install I don't care, there's nothing on it
[22:01] <aliendude5300> Okay, so it is not showing in vi
[22:01] <purvesh> How can I install Ubuntu & Lubuntu together dual boot & lateron I can remove Lubuntu which should not affect functionality of Ubuntu (first OS) should I make different boot partition for both OS of in one boot partition only I should install ?
[22:01] <aliendude5300> I think the 0a is just an EOF character or somethign :/
[22:01] <TJ-> aliendude5300: the 'dot' in the ASCII text on the right is the linefeed character. hexdump uses a 'dot' for all invisible codes
[22:02] <aliendude5300> Damn, thought I figured it out
[22:03] <aliendude5300> From a working system it looks like this: luks-65a2535e-8d93-4614-ad5d-8b43b69a670a UUID=65a2535e-8d93-4614-ad5d-8b43b69a670a none luks,discard
[22:03] <TJ-> aliendude5300: I think we need to enable some manual hacked debugging to the cryptsetup hooks themselves, to see what they do/see when calling update-initramfs
[22:03] <beterraba> Guys, the command "sudo apt-get install nvidia-cuda-toolkit" is broken in my computer. I'm not sure if that's because I'm in 18.04. Could someone please help me with this one?
[22:04] <aliendude5300> How can we do that?
[22:04] <TJ-> aliendude5300: the fields in crypttab are "device-mapper-name block-device key-file options,options,options"
[22:04] <TJ-> aliendude5300: I do it alot in debugging; let me check!
[22:04] <beterraba> I'm trying "sudo apt --fix-broken install", but there are errors!
[22:05] <lotuspsychje> !info nvidia-cuda-toolkit bionic
[22:05] <sky887_>    Take it easy, well i do :)
[22:06] <lotuspsychje> sky887_: can we help you with something?
[22:06] <sky887_> just lurking :)
[22:06] <lotuspsychje> sky887_: please lurk in silence in the support channel
[22:06] <roothorick> ls
[22:06] <roothorick> ...did I really just do that
[22:06] <sky887_> ok :)
[22:08] <nacc> beterraba: lotuspsychje's point was it's not an ubuntu package, fyi
[22:08] <pnwise> Once upon a time I ran chown -R www-data:www-data on my desktop thinking I am on a server web root dir
[22:08] <lotuspsychje> nacc: hmm shows in my apt-cache here
[22:09] <nacc> ah it's in multiverse
[22:09] <beterraba> You might want to run 'apt --fix-broken install' to correct these. The following packages have unmet dependencies:  cuda-drivers : Depends: nvidia-387 (>= 387.26) but it is not going to be installed  libcuda1-387 : Depends: nvidia-387 (>= 387.26) but it is not going to be installed  nvidia-387-dev : Depends: nvidia-387 (>= 387.26) but it is not going to be installed  nvidia-opencl-icd-387 : Depends: nvidia-387 (>= 387.26) but it i
[22:10] <beterraba> It seems the problem is with the repository
[22:10] <lotuspsychje> beterraba: did you add external ppa's?
[22:10] <beterraba> Yes!
[22:10] <lotuspsychje> beterraba: thats why you get scrambled dependecies
[22:10] <lotuspsychje> beterraba: we advise not to use them if possible
[22:11] <beterraba> They seem to be trustable
[22:11] <beterraba> They`re from NVIDIA themselves
[22:11] <beterraba> I`m trying to install CUDA compiler
[22:13] <TJ-> aliendude5300: I'm still digging (in the source-code/package of cryptsetup). The location of the cryptroot hook script has moved and I'm having difficulty locating the new location
[22:13] <lotuspsychje> beterraba: what i would do, is to ppapurge your external ppa's, sudo apt update and apt-cache search the packages you need from the official repos
[22:14] <lotuspsychje> beterraba: get your system to health again
[22:14] <beterraba> lotuspsychje: that seems reasonable. How can I ppapurge ?
[22:14] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | beterraba
[22:14] <aliendude5300> TJ: no worries
[22:15] <beterraba> Did I add the ppa when I did: "sudo apt-key add /var/cuda-repo-<version>/7fa2af80.pub" ?
[22:15] <TJ-> aliendude5300: oh duh! It's because I have a custom cryptroot of my own so removed the system version! OK, so the warning message (should be an error!) is from /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/cryptroot
[22:15] <aliendude5300> What does that mean for me here?
[22:16] <lotuspsychje> beterraba: some packages downloaded from the web, add the ppa too
[22:16] <lotuspsychje> !sources | beterraba check your sources here
[22:17] <TJ-> aliendude5300: it means we need to discover why line 356 of that (shell) script fails, so we add 'verbose' logging to it as a temporary measure. For this you need to use a text-mode text editor like vim or nano. Are you familiar/comfortable with either of those?
[22:17] <Bashing-om> TJ-: aliendude5300 This ? : " Doing an "Entire disk" installation over an existing LVM installation will fail because the installer selects the wrong boot device (1724417) " ?
[22:18] <beterraba> lotuspsychje: ok, let me check my sources
[22:18] <TJ-> Bashing-om: doesn't sound like it; in this case cryptsetup's initraamfs-tools hook script is reporting an invalid entry in crypttab
[22:18] <lotuspsychje> beterraba: your on 18.04 yea?
[22:19] <TJ-> Bashing-om: entry looks absolutely fine so we need to find out what the script is 'seeing'
[22:19] <hendrik> On update to 18.04, i got lot's of unment dependency errors, that I do not understand. For example there are a lot of python packages that require python3 < 3.6. But apt-cache show shows that there is a newer version of those packages available that are compatible with python 3.6
[22:19] <hendrik> https://pastebin.com/9WvjMiGn
[22:19] <Bashing-om> TJ-: :) .. As usual you have gone over my skills level :P
[22:19] <beterraba> lotuspsychje: yes!
[22:19] <Chris999> hello guys , quick help ?
[22:19] <lotuspsychje> beterraba: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-list-and-remove-ppa-repository-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[22:19] <lotuspsychje> !ask | Chris999
[22:20] <Chris999> have this link with what I need to make my touchscreen work , where do I put it and how?
[22:20] <Chris999> https://github.com/jakeday/linux-surface/files/1848270/dmesg.txt
[22:20] <Chris999> it`s just commands in it , no viruses or messing about
[22:20] <Chris999> do I copy in terminal or ?
[22:20] <TJ-> aliendude5300: using whichever editor you are happy with, you should open /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/cryptroot  and add as it's 2nd line "set -x" then save the file
[22:21] <aliendude5300> I'll do that with vi
[22:21] <aliendude5300> Done.
[22:22] <TJ-> aliendude5300: OK, once that's added, when the script is caused it'll write every command before executing it, so we can see what it is doing when we call update-initramfs. So again do "update-initramfs -vu -k 4.15.0-20-generic |& tee /tmp/uir.log" then "pastebinit /tmp/uir.log"
[22:22] <TJ-> s/caused/called/
[22:23] <sopparus> nginx-full seems to miss webdav in ubuntu 18.04
[22:23] <sysfault> hello guys, yesterday i dropped an ice cube on my touchpad. i immediately removed it and allowed the touchpad to dry. ever since my mouse isnt working in unity desktop however it works in both gdm and in my windows v7 partitions on the same system. did a locking mechanism of some sort occur when i did that? i dont understand
[22:23] <sopparus> dav_ext_methods
[22:23] <sopparus> nginx: [emerg] unknown directive "dav_ext_methods"
[22:23] <aliendude5300> paste.ubuntu.com/p/cP6Cj8W59j/
[22:24] <Chris999> can anyone tell me where do I copy this ? https://github.com/jakeday/linux-surface/files/1848270/dmesg.txt
[22:24] <aliendude5300> TJ: Starts on 1151
[22:24] <nacc> sopparus: libnginx-mod-http-dav-ext ?
[22:24] <sopparus> nacc, installed that one too, didnt help
[22:24] <nacc> sopparus: ah i see it's a dependency of nginx-full
[22:24] <nacc> sopparus: i'd ask teward in #ubuntu-server
[22:25] <pnwise> Isn't encfs included in ubuntu 18.04?
[22:26] <lotuspsychje> !info encfs bionic
[22:28] <TJ-> aliendude5300: 1352 looks to be the problem. I *think* it's the "luks-" prefix breaking it
[22:28] <pnwise> Thanks, looks like I didn't enable additional software repo
[22:29] <aliendude5300> Is there a good workaround I can use, or am I hosed for now?
[22:31] <Chris999> TJ- think you can take a look at the PM I sent you?
[22:32] <nacc> Chris999: copy what?
[22:33] <nacc> Chris999: please don't PM -- what is your ubuntu support question?
[22:33] <TJ-> aliendude5300: I'm reading the script itself, give me a few more minutes. I eat this code for breakfast most of the time (currently adding cryptsetup v2, key-file, and detached header support to GRUB 2 bootloader)
[22:33] <TJ-> Chris999: I don't accept private messages. All support is in channel
[22:33] <Chris999> ok
[22:34] <Chris999> so , it`s simple , found the driver for my touchscreen to work , just don`t know where to put it .. do I copy the inside commands ?
[22:34] <Chris999> https://github.com/jakeday/linux-surface/files/1848270/dmesg.txt
[22:35] <Chris999> this is the link to that text in which the commands are
[22:36] <nacc> Chris999: what commands are you referring to?
[22:37] <nacc> Chris999: also, that does not appear to be an ubuntu kernel?
[22:37] <Chris999> well, in that link I have sent , is a file named dmesg.txt , it`s my touchscreen
[22:37] <Chris999> driver
[22:37] <nacc> Chris999: dmesg.txt is the kernel log, it's not a driver.
[22:37] <Paradox55> So I just uninstalled a old version of Ubuntu to install 18.04 and I'm not able to boot into "live" mode. Removing quiet and splash from grub reveals it's having squash errors and soft/hard cpu lockups. I've tried other USB sticks, redownloading the ISO and then I went a step further and tried other distros - same problem, CPU lockups or "waiting for x server to start" with no success. I'm using a GE72VR apache pro.
[22:37] <Chris999> and what do I do with  it ?
[22:37] <nacc> Chris999: if you don't know, I'm not sure you should be doing this ... it's just a log file
[22:38] <lotuspsychje> Paradox55: define 'old version' plz?
[22:38] <Chris999> come om man .. just installed ubuntu , I know I don`t know anything as of yet but we all had to start somewhere ...
[22:38] <Paradox55> lotuspsychje pretty sure it was 17.10
[22:38] <nacc> Paradox55: and what do you mean by uninstalled to install?
[22:38] <Paradox55> I mean I dual boot, went into windows and formatted the partition.
[22:38] <nacc> Chris999: what driver do you need? what version of ubuntu did you install?
[22:39] <Chris999> 18.4 , touchscreen . so that log is basically useless ? :)) just a log ?
[22:39] <Chris999> and for the keyboard no one has cracked it yet
[22:39] <nacc> Chris999: 18.04 -- but not stock, as that kernel is not the Ubuntu one.
[22:39] <xamithan> Chris999: That is just a logfile,  follow the instructions on the main github page: https://github.com/jakeday/linux-surface/
[22:39] <Chris999> https://github.com/jakeday/linux-surface/issues/5
[22:40] <Chris999> I`d need my keyboard mainly... but can suffice with touchscreen
[22:40] <Chris999> if only someone can teach on how to do it
[22:41] <nacc> Chris999: uh, the page says the keyboard doesn't work on the surface laptop. Do you have the surface laptop?
[22:41] <nacc> Chris999: also, you need to ask that github owner, it's not an ubuntu thing
[22:41] <nacc> Chris999: they give pretty clear instructions, tbh
[22:42] <Chris999> well , to you :))
[22:42] <nacc> Chris999: tbh, using linux on a device like this requires reading the page very clearly
[22:42] <nacc> Chris999: you're also going to be doing a lot as root, which can make your installation unusable if you don't know what you are doing
[22:43] <sysfault> hello guys, yesterday i dropped an ice cube on my touchpad. i immediately removed it and allowed the touchpad to dry. ever since my mouse isnt working in unity desktop however it works in both gdm and in my windows v7 partitions on the same system. did a locking mechanism of some sort occur when i did that? i dont understand
[22:43] <sysfault> i just logged in via gdm to fluxbox and the mouse works
[22:43] <Chris999> well , yeah .... I had tried linux mint 18.3 and after installing them things, it just wouldn`t start back up
[22:43] <sysfault>  what happened in Unity
[22:43] <sysfault> touchpad isnt working
[22:44] <TJ-> aliendude5300: right, because my local cryptroot hook is quite different I cannot directly test your scenario easily without doing a VM install, but it looks as if the cryptroot hook script code expects the crypttab's 1st field to be of the form "luks-"$UUID-of-partition  whereas on your system the installer has used the partition device name "nvme0n1p3_crypt" resulting in the awk expression shown on line
[22:44] <TJ-> 1352 of the pastebin log to not return anything
[22:44] <nacc> Chris999: right, but the point is, your hardware isn't supported (it would appear) by ubuntu. If you want help with what you're doing, you need to talk to the github person
[22:44] <Chris999> nacc , think you can spare 5-10 minutes and tell me baby steps on how to do everything without making the OS unusable ?
[22:45] <aliendude5300> So what you are saying is I should edit crypttab?
[22:45] <aliendude5300> Let me try that
[22:45] <TJ-> aliendude5300: so I'm going to suggest we back-up the existing /etc/crypttab, then write what we think is the correct entry to the file, and try regenerating the initrd.img
[22:45] <TJ-> aliendude5300: "cp /etc/crypttab /etc/crypttab.bak"
[22:45] <nacc> Chris999: the website you linked to has baby steps
[22:45] <aliendude5300> I've made a backup :)
[22:45] <TJ-> aliendude5300: then edit it, change "nvme0n1p3_crypt" to "luks-98c2ce02-6cb1-4a2d-a086-1e8cf78a3c58"
[22:46] <aliendude5300> Worst case scenario I will do a reinstall ;)
[22:46] <Chris999> well , I need a bit more help , are will willing to answer my questions if I follow through with the download ?
[22:46] <nacc> Chris999: no, I personally am not
[22:46] <Chris999> ok , at least you`re honest :) thanks anyway
[22:46] <nacc> Chris999: and it's not an ubuntu support topic -- you might try #ubuntu-offtopic (I guess) or ##linux
[22:47] <TJ-> aliendude5300: Then repeat: "update-initramfs -vu -k 4.15.0-20-generic |& tee /tmp/uir.log" then "pastebinit /tmp/uir.log"
[22:47] <xar-> fyi, it's (borderline?) inappropriate to make requests of people's time, most here are volunteers
[22:48] <Chris999> last question
[22:48] <luxio> What can I do to mitigate screen tearing?
[22:48] <luxio> I'm running 18.04
[22:48] <Chris999> #ubuntu-offtopic :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
[22:48] <Chris999> how do I identify myself ?
[22:48] <aliendude5300> Done editing, testing now
[22:49] <xar-> Chris999: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration
[22:49] <luxio> chris999: /msg NickServ@services. help register
[22:49] <Chris999> thank you
[22:49] <luxio> :)
[22:49] <xar-> too slow luxio, I win :D
[22:49] <aliendude5300> Let me pastebin the uir.log
[22:49] <luxio> xar-: you ninja'd me
[22:49] <aliendude5300> paste.ubuntu.com/p/vGpFsy8khR
[22:49] <xar-> /o/
[22:50] <vlt> Hello. If I have multiple displays connected, how can I specify the one a program should be visible (or which display should be switched off using xset)?
[22:51] <xar-> Chris999: if you actually go through the registration process, for the love of spaghetti, use a *unique* password
[22:51] <luxio> yes, like hunter2
[22:51] <luxio> ;-)
[22:51] <luxio> but seriously, yeah
[22:51] <xar-> yes, exactly *******
[22:51] <nacc> vlt: physical displays and x displays are different things
[22:51] <Chris999> ok, unique it is :))
[22:52] <aliendude5300> TJ: Should I reboot and test it now?
[22:52] <nacc> vlt: as in `env | grep DISPLAY` will show you which X display you are on
[22:52] <nacc> vlt: and I believe xset is for turning on/off X display options
[22:53] <nacc> vlt: in that context, displays are distinct x servers
[22:53] <vlt> nacc: I meant physical displays. In my example I have one on a DVI and one on an HDMI port connected.
[22:53] <nacc> vlt: is that how you were using 'display'?
[22:53] <nacc> vlt: you want xrandr, I believe
[22:53] <nacc> vlt: and --off flag, I'm guessing
[22:53] <nacc> vlt: xrandr using the RandR extension to talk to physical displays
[22:54] <vlt> nacc: Ok, let's the ignore the xset part for now. How can I tell mplayer, for example, to run fullscreen on a certain physical display?
[22:54] <xar-> ChrisMihai: also, in my opinion, while the offtopic channel might be the "right" place for your discussion, it's historically pretty weak on the support side of things, your mileage may vary.
[22:54] <TJ-> aliendude5300: sorry, let me read up, I was away raiding the ice cream jar!
[22:55] <nacc> vlt: not trivial to do, iirc -- there was a tool called devilspie that did this
[22:55] <vlt> nacc: Thanks, I’ll try to find out more about that.
[22:56] <nacc> vlt: the thing is, I'm not current on desktop design, but I'm not sure the physical display you're running on (in the case of a multi-monitor) is surfaced to applications
[22:56] <nacc> vlt: because it's really just one big software canvas from X, I think (I could be totally wrong)
[22:57] <nacc> vlt: applications can 'remember' where they ran last on that canvas, but they don't really know about the physical layout, afaik
[22:57] <TJ-> aliendude5300: lines 1352 onwards look correct. Do a reboot test!
[22:57] <RoadRunner> TJ-: tried to get rid off the linux-headers but they don't seem to want to go https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/M4VznfVx82/
[22:57] <aliendude5300> Will do!
[22:58] <aliendude5300> For what it's worth, even if this does work, I'm a seasoned Linux user and that was godawful, and that is something I expect to see a novice hit and not even attempt to fix
[22:59] <vlt> nacc: If I switch one of the applications to “full screen mode” it uses just one of the displays. Maybe that’s X managing that in the background. So maybe I have to wrap my mplayer command with something that talks to X.
[22:59] <clarity510> Hey. I couldn't get WebDav to work on Ubuntu 17. Is this known to be broken?
[22:59] <nacc> vlt: yeah, that seems likely -- i thik that's what devilspie did
[22:59] <nacc> clarity510: 17.10?
[23:00] <clarity510> yup
[23:00] <nacc> RoadRunner: try removing one manually (e.g. linux-headers-3.19.0-43)
[23:00] <aliendude5300> It is not working :( Output shows 'volume group ubuntu-vg' not found
[23:00] <aliendude5300> Let me verify it's still working in the live env
[23:01] <clarity510> nacc, there's a pretty interface, but I couldn't figure out how to share the Public folder using WebDav. I ended up having to use samba instead
[23:01] <nacc> clarity510: that's not what i asked (there is no "Ubuntu 17")
[23:02] <clarity510> 17.10
[23:02] <nacc> clarity510: ok
[23:02] <aliendude5300> Well, I'm still using the same passphrase :(
[23:02] <aliendude5300> It works in the live env still but won't boot
[23:02] <TJ-> aliendude5300: well, provided the system is booting using the initrd.img generated (and there should only be the 1) then we know from the log all the required files were now installed correctly
[23:03] <TJ-> aliendude5300: does it fail with the same errors reported as originally
[23:03] <nacc> clarity510: i've never used WebDAV, so I don't know, sorry
[23:04] <aliendude5300> It's hard to tell, but it looks like it
[23:04] <aliendude5300> There is only one initrd in the /boot
[23:04] <TJ-> aliendude5300: line 1491 shows all the required modules being included
[23:04] <aliendude5300> I don't have the faintest idea why it is not working
[23:08] <TJ-> aliendude5300: are you still seeing the exact same reports, as in https://i.imgur.com/nRFgDZn.jpg
[23:10] <aliendude5300> Let me get a new image
[23:11] <RoadRunner> TJ-: nacc: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/23dpwKc9gy/
[23:12] <aliendude5300> TJ: https://imgur.com/a/NhlPber
[23:14] <TJ-> aliendude5300: because that photo suggested missing kernel modules (or simply not loaded). With the new initrd.img that shouldn't be happening since we can see those modules are being included
[23:15] <aliendude5300> I don't get it :/
[23:15] <aliendude5300> Let me try again
[23:15] <aliendude5300> Booting into live env
[23:15] <nacc> RoadRunner: well using apt purge
[23:15] <aliendude5300> Can you send me the commands I need to run again for the mount and redoing the initramfs
[23:16] <nacc> RoadRunner: it's a package name not a file name
[23:17] <TJ-> aliendude5300: the "dmsetup" "unknown target type" means the device-mapper layer is definitely missing a (loaded) kernel module when trying to unlock the device
[23:18] <RoadRunner> nacc: what's the proper syntax then (not my strong point...)?
[23:18] <aliendude5300> Yeah, I think I may have done it wrong. Worth another try
[23:18] <aliendude5300> My IRC client scrollback isn't log enough to grab the commands you sent forever ago
[23:18] <nacc> RoadRunner: `sudo apt-get purge <pkgname>` (or remove instead of purge, but in your case, purge is fine)
[23:18] <aliendude5300> I'd use history on the shell but naturally it's a live env
[23:18] <nacc> aliendude5300: the channel is logged as well
[23:19] <nacc> !logs > aliendude5300
[23:19] <TJ-> aliendude5300: which thing do you think you did wrong? the crypttab edit looks correct to me based on the uir.log
[23:20] <aliendude5300> I don't know
[23:20] <aliendude5300> I just like to double check. By all means it should be working right now
[23:21] <aliendude5300> okay, I see an initrd.img in / where it should be in /boot
[23:21] <TJ-> aliendude5300: what is supposed to happen is update-initramfs scripts add all the required files, plus any configs, to the initrd.img, which at boot-time runs scripts based on the configs to ensure everything is in place to access the root FS, that includes loading modules required for device-mapper to access encrypted devices. So you may have discovered a bug in the new crytpsetup v2 scripts themselves. I'll
[23:22] <TJ-> need to test in a dedicated VM because I use my own customisations. It's way past midnight here so I would have to do that another time
[23:22] <aliendude5300> Fair enough
[23:22] <TJ-> aliendude5300: on failure it should be dropping to a shell so you can attempt to fix it; that's bothering me just as much as the failure to unlock itself
[23:23] <m4t> is there a way to make update-manager not nag me every 10 min after i click 'Remind me later'?
[23:23] <m4t> seems excessive...
[23:24] <beterraba> Guys, when I do "python main.py" in my application, I see that "ImportError: No module named flask". But when I do "pip install Flask" it appears that "Requirement already satisfied: Flask". What might be going on?
[23:24] <TJ-> aliendude5300: one thing occurs to me; the cryptsteup hook script that adds modules tries to identity and add CPU-specific modules (for hardware supported operations) - I'm wondering if that is not adding the correct modules for some reason
[23:26] <aliendude5300> I'm not sure. If you need anything else, I can grab it real quick
[23:26] <TJ-> aliendude5300: I'm having a hard time keeping my eyes open so I'll have to leave it for now, need sleep!
[23:27] <apd> Hello. Could someone tell if  "do-release-upgrade" is possible right now? On Ubuntu MATE 17.10 right now
[23:27] <TJ-> aliendude5300: i'd strongly recommmend creating a bug report to track this though, against the cryptsetup package
[23:27] <aliendude5300> I'll consider that. I might do a reinstall without crypto for now
[23:28] <Bashing-om> apd: Maybe yes - maybe no .. depends on what has sync's up. See the advisory: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_16.04_LTS_or_17.10 .
[23:29] <TJ-> aliendude5300: title should be "WARNING: invalid line in /etc/crypttab" and either let me know the bug number or I'll find it with a search later
[23:30] <apd> Bashing-om: Thanks. So I wait...
[23:30] <RoadRunner> nacc: a single package was removed fine but a group command isn't working: sudo apt-get purge linux-headers{,-extra}-3.19* What's wrong with my syntax?
[23:31] <TJ-> aliendude5300: we know changing the device-mapper name to the luks-$UUID format apparently did something to correct it, but there's still something else going on
[23:31] <TJ-> RoadRunner: no 'extras' for headers!
[23:32] <TJ-> RoadRunner: "sudo apt purge linux-headers-3.19*"
[23:33] <aliendude5300> TJ-, https://bugs.launchpad.net/cryptsetup/+bug/1767527
[23:33] <aliendude5300> I can add any additional info now
[23:34] <TJ-> aliendude5300: I'll assign it to myself
[23:35] <RoadRunner> TJ-: also, why purge rather than remove like for images?
[23:36] <idioticideas_> How can I install Ubuntu & Lubuntu together dual boot & lateron I can remove Lubuntu which should not affect functionality of Ubuntu (first OS) should I make different boot partition for both OS of in one boot partition only I should install ?
[23:36] <TJ-> aliendude5300: I attached the screenshot to it
[23:37] <TJ-> RoadRunner: belt-and-braces - not a lot of difference in the case of the headers
[23:37] <aliendude5300> Thanks for the help TJ-!
[23:37] <purvesh> MonkeyDust, do you know how can I set that command as cron job ?
[23:38] <TJ-> RoadRunner: purge removes configuration files created by the package, remove does not (in case you want to re-install and retain existing settings)
[23:38] <Bashing-om> purvesh: Seperate partions. See my setup : http://termbin.com/l95w
[23:39] <TJ-> aliendude5300: I'll try to recreate it in a VM. If that is possible we know there's a definite bug
[23:40] <aliendude5300> I wonder if it's dependent on it being an NVMe drive
[23:41] <TJ-> aliendude5300: I wondered that but I cannot swee why; we proved the scripts expect the luks-format, and that's not been a normal device-mapper name as long back as I can recall, so I suspect that is at the heart of this
[23:41] <TJ-> aliendude5300: it could also be the installer isn't completely cryptsetup V2 aware
[23:41] <aliendude5300> I'll try to add an lshw to this bug
[23:42] <RoadRunner> TJ-: nacc: and again thank you - about another Gig free! no wonder my system was getting slugish... what was in those linux-headers anyway?
[23:44] <aliendude5300> I've attached the lshw to the report. I think it might be NVMe specific
[23:44] <aliendude5300> I can try to reproduce in a VM myself later
[23:44] <aliendude5300> I'd love to see this fixed :)
[23:45] <hiiggy> Hey, got a hopefully easy issue for you guys. I've got a fan controller script in my home directory called fancontrols. I've already done a chmod +x on it, and then added it to crontab -e as a new line "@reboot /home/user/./fancontrols". However, it does not run when the system starts up. The commands in the file work individually via terminal, and I can run the file from ~ by simply typing fancontrols. What am I missing?
[23:46] <Jogn> Hi, I just tried to install Ubuntu 18.04 on my Dell XPS 13 9370, but the installer does not recognize the SSD
[23:46] <windows7lover> When I sleep my laptop then wake it up my right click goes away :(
[23:47] <windows7lover> I'm trying to two finger click as a right click on my lappy
[23:47] <Jogn> What can I do?
[23:47] <aliendude5300> run stat /home/user/./fancontrols and check the ownership and permissions of the file and the parent directory
[23:47] <sisafa> gnome-session-fallback just hangs with textentry cursor when logging into the new 18.04 Bionic Beaver. ...try using USB 2.0
[23:47] <aliendude5300> Jogn: Change the SATA mode maybe in the BIOS
[23:47] <courrier> Is it still possible that some workstations can't find 18.04 now? I have no result when running do-release-upgrade but I do have a result when asking for the development version with -d, is it because the stable version is not yet available?
[23:48] <lotuspsychje> courrier: from wich release?
[23:48] <hiiggy> aliendude5300: I assume the first access line shows the info? I get: Access: (0755/-rwxr-xr-x)  Uid: (    0/    root)   Gid: (    0/    root)
[23:48] <RoadRunner> TJ-:  nacc: guys, I am impressed with your grasp of nix syntax, is there a good resource you could recommend to learn this (other than looking up one command at a time in man)?
[23:49] <Jogn> So, it is in RAID mode. Does Ubuntu not support it?
[23:50] <tomreyn> Jogn: no, but it's fake raid anyways, so keeping it just makes you depend on your closed source firmware and mainboard.
[23:50] <courrier> lotuspsychje: from 16.04
[23:51] <TJ-> hiiggy: is user's home directory encrypted? if so, files will be unavailable at startup
[23:51] <hiiggy> Nope
[23:51] <TJ-> hiiggy: @reboot tasks execute when cron daemon starts
[23:51] <lotuspsychje> courrier: we advise to wait till june 18.04.1 for lts to lts upgrades
[23:52] <hiiggy> The cron daemon should start automatically, right?
[23:52] <courrier> ha ok thanks lotuspsychje
[23:52] <hiiggy> (One hour old copy of 18.04, if relevant)
[23:52] <slavic> Greetings. I'm experiencing some issues with a fresh install of 18.04. I'd like to submit bugs where appropriate but the procedure is not entirely easy. The first issue is the WiFi section of the Settings screen: it freezes for 10-30 seconds anytime I access it.
[23:52] <lotuspsychje> courrier: your xenial system will get notified at that time
[23:54] <courrier> I've aborted the do-release-upgrade when it asked something like "we're gonna install some proprietary software, do you agree" and it looks like it broke my system. Apparently it started to do the upgrade directly, my source.list has bionic entries and some apckages are broken
[23:55] <slavic> Greetings. I'm experiencing some issues with a fresh install of 18.04. I'd like to submit bugs where appropriate but the procedure is not entirely easy. The first issue is the WiFi section of the Settings screen: it freezes for 10-30 seconds anytime I access it. First of all, which package would a bug be submitted against? Also, where is ubuntu-bug?
[23:55] <lotuspsychje> !patience | slavic
[23:56] <slavic> Was trying to edit my question, didn't mean to repeat myself. Apologizes.
[23:56] <courrier> anyway, at tha moment of time is the "do-release upgrade -d" from xenial equivalent to a fresh install from the 18.04 image?
[23:56] <RoadRunner> TJ-: also, you asked me for this before; this is the system after linux-image and headers cleaning http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CqpbG92shf/ - inode use dropped by half.
[23:56] <RoadRunner> Does this look reasonable?
[23:58] <purvesh> Bashing-om, sorry I didnt get that partition list where is boot partition in that ?
[23:59] <windows7lover> What is better? gnome or nano?