[02:07] <albinard> Tested your ISO: ubi-partman failed with exit code 10
[02:07] <albinard> Sorry, that's Unit193 ISO of this afternoon
[02:08] <Unit193> Hmm..Any logs?  vbox or hardware?
[02:09] <albinard> No logs, hardware same as all previous tests
[02:10] <albinard> but I tried to go back to your Cherokee site for the md5sum to check it, and it wouldn't connect
[02:10] <Unit193> https://unit193.net/xubuntu/core/ they're here now.
[02:12] <albinard> only the 17.10 shows up right now
[02:13] <Unit193> F5?
[02:13] <albinard> ???
[02:14] <Unit193> That is, might want to hard refresh the page, seems it's stuck in the cache.
[02:14] <Unit193> Page was updated for Bionic today.
[02:16] <albinard> Did it just now checking the sum now - it does check
[02:18] <Unit193> Well this is fun.  Amd64?
[02:19] <albinard> Yessir, the usual.  Wrote it to a USB, first try went as far as getting my locale correctly, then chrashed and claimed to have sent a report
[02:27] <albinard> FWIW, from the Live session I could see and mount (and unmount) the existing files in the original I installed from the 0420 ISO
[02:28] <Unit193> This is just lovely, taking a look too of course...  I smoke tested and things seemed more or less fine.
[02:28] <Unit193> Some quirks, but vbox tends to be a little troublesome.
[02:32] <albinard> Trying again - thought I might have left something mounted that didn't clear
[02:32] <albinard> Got to copying files anyway (cross your fingers)
[02:33] <Unit193> Fella in #xubuntu had issues as well, it's one of the permission issues I've seen before...
[02:33] <Unit193> It fails at the end.
[02:34] <albinard> Nope - at Installing system it crashes.  How do I file a bug report from that part?
[02:35] <Unit193> Have to install a browser such that one can complete the reporting process.
[02:38] <albinard> Ok, Firefox is downloading now
[02:38] <Unit193> Tailing the log while it installs, seeing if anything unusual is there.
[02:50] <GridCube> still getting this error when trying to run apt install xubuntu-core https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Cfpw3v9dTf/
[02:54] <albinard> Dang - got a timeout error on Launchpad - this time of night web here is really slow. 
[02:54] <albinard> I'll keep trying for a while
[03:00] <Unit193> I'm 1. Trying an install too.  2. Rebuilding amd64 only to see if there's a diff in the manifests, though really there shouldn't be.
[03:02] <albinard> I did a diff of the April 20 vs 26 - what should I look at?
[03:03] <Unit193> manifests?  I'd say just make sure no packages went missing and never came back.
[03:03] <albinard> That was the first April 26, I should say, the no/casper/vmlinuz
[03:09] <albinard> One odd thing: in the first (Apr 20) there are three entries each for linux-headers and linux images and linux-signed (ets)
[03:11] <albinard> But in the second, there are three for headers, two for images, and two for modules
[03:11] <albinard> Not that I know what any of that means, but there it is
[03:15] <Unit193> vbox seems to have hung itself, unrelatedly...Trying something in a build, doubt it'll fix anything as the buildsystem really hasn't changed except to fix that live booting issue, so *should* be something else..
[03:17] <FurretUber> Is the upgrade from 17.10 to 18.04 available?
[03:18] <Unit193> I don't believe it is yet.
[03:19] <FurretUber> About the xubuntu-core image, was that isolinux issue corrected (it's searching for vmlinuz while the file is called vmlinuz.efi)?
[03:19] <Unit193> Yeah.
[03:33] <Unit193> I don't know why this cropped up now... :/
[03:34] <albinard> You have my sympthy, but my endurance is running out so I will do the same.  Maybe with a night's sleep I can be of help again.
[03:35] <Unit193> Thanks, good rest, mate.
[03:54] <flocculant> morning
[03:54] <flocculant> not finding our iso's 
[04:09] <Unit193> They seemed to work, but seriously not looking like it now.  Time to pull 'em I guess.
[04:12] <flocculant> good - glad I'm not going nuts
[04:12] <Unit193> Well, mine.  Not the usual ones.
[04:12] <Unit193> https://unit193.net/xubuntu/core/ note added.
[04:12] <flocculant> oh
[04:13] <flocculant> I'm talking about our release
[04:13] <flocculant> can't find it 
[04:13] <Unit193> Looks like only some mirrors have them so far.
[04:14] <flocculant> well I can't see it at ubuntu
[04:14] <Unit193> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/18.04/release/ was the link that had 'em.
[04:14] <flocculant> and that's empty
[04:15] <Unit193> ...Doesn't seem to be..?
[04:15] <flocculant> is here lol
[04:15] <Unit193> 0_o
[04:16] <flocculant> *shrug*
[04:16] <flocculant> too early for me to care much :)
[04:17] <Unit193> I'm a bit upset it's all broken for me.
[04:18] <flocculant> ok - so it's not just my browser - don't see them there in a vm either
[04:26] <flocculant> so what's broken for you?
[04:27] <flocculant> core not working?
[04:34] <Unit193> Yeah, Core installation foobers something awful..
[04:34] <Unit193> https://paste.ee/p/tVnrH#s=0&l=3901 /var/log/syslog.3.gz
[04:36] <flocculant> that doesn't look fun 
[04:37] <flocculant> I assume it has the newer ubiquity
[04:38] <Unit193> Yes it does.
[04:42] <flocculant> ...
[04:42] <Unit193> Hm?
[04:43] <flocculant> xubuntu was dead on cdimage
[04:44] <flocculant> fixed now
[04:44] <flocculant> anyway - core - not sure what to say there
[04:44] <flocculant> best pull it for now I suppose
[04:44] <Unit193> Yeah understandable, it was fine too, but then it wasn't..That's really my problem to fix, lucky me.
[04:45] <flocculant> oh - caught up - see the note on core page
[04:46] <Unit193> Made it red and more obvious now.
[04:59] <flocculant> yup
[04:59] <flocculant> it does :)
[05:01] <pleia2> I popped in just long enough to do the social media things...
[05:01] <pleia2> almost forgot, congrats on the release everyone :)
[05:01] <flocculant> pleia2: I saw that - thanks
[05:01] <Unit193> Hey, thanks for that still.  I wouldn't have been able to. :3
[05:02] <flocculant> well I'd have done one of them :p
[05:02] <flocculant> unpinned the test post on facebook
[05:05] <pleia2> :o
[05:05] <pleia2> fb ui confuses brain, I didn't even notice a pinned post
[05:06] <pleia2> there's always so much junk, I just scroll until I find a box to type stuff in
[05:06] <pleia2> I am a brilliant technologist, I swear
[05:06] <Unit193> That's OK, I haven't used it since 2010, I might not even get that far. :P
[05:06] <pleia2> lol
[05:11] <flocculant> pleia2: yea - same - where is that box to type in :|
[05:12] <flocculant> only found the pin option recently - lucky I found it again to unpin ...
[05:12] <pleia2> hehe
[10:15] <bluesabre> Thanks flocculant, knome, and pleia2 for getting the release/announcements out :)
[10:15] <bluesabre> flocculant: any update on screen reader, or are we still at "we think it doesn't work"?
[10:16] <bluesabre> Spass: did you file a bug report for your menulibre issue?
[10:16] <bluesabre> ali1234: font sizes... since which previous release? there's been a few fontconfig updates since 16.04 that have made things weird
[10:17] <Spass> bluesabre, I will do that from my "Xubuntu for testing purposes" fresh install, that I'm about to do soon
[10:17] <Spass> I can also help you in reproducing it
[10:17] <bluesabre> Spass: great, thanks :)
[10:17] <ali1234> bluesabre: since 16.04
[10:18] <Spass> btw, 25GB for testing installation should be fine, right?
[10:18] <Unit193> fontconfig had been carrying a patch for the longest time, made fonts seem slightly smoother or whatnot, dropped last cycle.
[10:18] <bluesabre> Spass: definitely
[10:19] <Spass> ok
[10:20] <Spass> doing it right now, I'll probably ask you later about other stuff (additional PPAs etc)
[10:20] <bluesabre> very nice
[10:21] <bluesabre> I work today, so probably not going to respond til later/this weekend
[10:22] <Spass> cool, I know where to find some stuff about that on Launchpad, so I should be fine
[10:25] <ali1234> http://i.imgur.com/XTWh6KB.png :(
[10:27] <ali1234> oops wrong image :)
[10:28] <ali1234> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/367592323/exo.png
[10:29] <Unit193> ..Well then.
[10:30] <bluesabre> Embracing the hi-dpi future early with that one
[10:31] <ali1234> is that config panel gtk3?
[10:32] <ali1234> gnome-panel had similar problems when it was ported to gtk3 https://launchpadlibrarian.net/107130168/Screenshot%20from%202012-06-08%2006%3A44%3A22.png
[10:33] <bluesabre> ali1234: yes it is
[10:35] <bluesabre> If I recall, Firefox doesn't provide a lower res icon so gtk is probably being dumb and not scaling to the requested size
[10:35] <bluesabre> Report that one somewhere (bz preferred) if you don't mind
[10:35] <ali1234> already reported on lp but i will make an upstream bug too
[10:35] <bluesabre> Cool, thanks
[10:40] <ali1234> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14362
[10:41] <ali1234> you know, it wouldn't be the worst thing ever to show really big icons in that dialog
[10:41] <ali1234> or not really big... but bigger than they normally are now
[11:32] <krytarik> Ugh, from #x earlier: "The 18.04 release, codenamed Xenial Xerus,..." on https://xubuntu.org/download#lts
[11:37] <bluesabre> lol
[11:38] <bluesabre> krytarik: fixed
[11:38] <krytarik> Cool, thanks!
[12:50] <flocculant> bluesabre: re screen reader - not got it to work - that said did some lubuntu last night - couldn't there either
[12:52] <Spass> ok, my Xubuntu install strictly for testing is standing and it's ready to be blown, which PPAs from here I must add? https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev
[12:54] <Spass> also, do you know any tool to quickly make and upload online a desktop screenshot? preferably with an option to crop them before
[12:55] <flocculant> qa experimental, daily builds 
[12:55] <flocculant> and also https://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/ubuntu/daily
[13:19] <Spass> just noticed, new Greybird finally has thin 1px separator line in Thunar between sidebar, so much better!
[13:22] <Spass> oh, I think I should go to #shimmer for that
[13:22] <flocculant> Spass: here has most of the shimmer team
[13:23] <flocculant> I think :p
[13:26] <Spass> can someone confirm that the text on the buttons in gnome-language-selector is not centered vertically?
[13:26] <Spass> just noteced that
[13:26] <Spass> *noticed
[13:31] <knome> bluesabre, thanks for the website fix, i knew i forgot something (fortunately not a biggie)
[13:41] <Spass> there seems to be an issue with mouse scroll on icon set list in Appearance, but only if I access it through xfce4-settings-manager
[13:42] <Spass> it works when I open xfce4-appearance-settings directly
[14:46] <flocculant> Spass: yea - and reported somewhere
[14:49] <flocculant> gtk3 ish issue I think
[14:54] <flocculant> knome: I didn't look there either
[14:56] <flocculant> bluesabre ochosi knome - "To prevent this membership from expiring, you should contact the
[14:56] <flocculant> team's administrator, Xubuntu Council (xubuntu-council)."
[14:56] <flocculant> release team for me - unless you've got another fool willing to take over from me :)
[16:18] <Spass> I've uploaded my first ever YouTube video, and it's about Xubuntu 18.04 issues :P
[16:18] <Spass> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY4ZuxsPifw
[16:18] <Spass> it's not public
[16:19] <Spass> you can see three issues there, inconsistent panel icons, blinking Whisker menu, and some weird shadow visible on the app list
[17:52] <Norden> Hello! This may already have been reported somewhere, but the section on version numbering in the documentation for 18.04 still says that 16.04 is the latest LTS version.
[17:55] <Norden> Specifically this section here: https://docs.xubuntu.org/1804/user/C/what-is-xubuntu.html#version-numbering
[17:56] <Spass> I think that the best solution is to remove "The latest Long Term Support (LTS) version is 16.04, codenamed Xenial Xerus." completely, not just changing it, to avoid this issue in the future
[17:59] <krytarik> Yes, hidden easter eggs indeed.. :P
[18:15] <Norden> Oh, also, the contribution page for documentation on the website says to look for the documentation sources in a "desktop-guide/C/" directory, which, as far as I can tell, doesn't actually exist in the source branch.
[18:16] <krytarik> Yep, also true - that was changed a while ago.
[18:26] <krytarik> (That would be: https://xubuntu.org/contribute/documentation/)
[18:58] <amerigena> What are the outstanding issues that are blocking installs with the 18.04 Core ISOs? Does anyone know yet?
[19:18] <knome> flocculant, i'd say let's renew/add members to that team once the new council is set up :)
[19:45] <flocculant> knome: whatever
[19:45] <flocculant> not sure what the council's got to do with that tbh
[19:45] <flocculant> unless it wants to look after testing of course :)
[21:19] <flocculant> bluesabre: re screen reader, so for flavours it worked on - boot image, at the menu choose screen reader from F5 menu - boot to live desktop, (possibly need to Alt+Super+S) and it works
[21:20] <flocculant> with us you get the desktop with no screen reader
[22:52] <bluesabre> flocculant: huh
[22:52] <bluesabre> any pattern to the working desktops... or is it just us?
[23:11] <Unit193> GridCube: You will likely continue to get that too, since you picked something up from a PPA.  You could disable the PPAs and then go through `apt list | grep ed,loc`, downgrading everything to the version from the archives to recover.
[23:58] <GridCube> i did?
[23:59] <Unit193> Based on version numbers, yeah.