[00:09] <nicomachus> daftykins: around?
[00:12] <daftykins> hi, yep just got in the door but i have been drinking so might be as useful as a garden gnome
[00:21] <nicomachus> lol
[00:21] <nicomachus> I'm just having the weird internet issue with the rpi again but the bluetooth is off. I'm gonna dig in, I'll let you know. It may be a messed configuration
[00:23] <daftykins> give us a "route -n"
[00:39] <nicomachus> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dHgSWgTn2h/
[00:39] <nicomachus> when did paste.ubuntu get longer links
[00:40] <daftykins> pass
[00:40]  * daftykins clicks
[00:41] <daftykins> that is one hella high metric of 202, is enxb827eb07200a really your interface name? and 192.168.1.254 your router IP?
[00:41] <daftykins> also "cat /etc/resolv.conf"
[00:42] <nicomachus> yes and yes. what is 'metric'?
[00:42] <nicomachus> resolv.conf is only 'nameserver 127.0.0.1'. so no DNS?
[00:43] <nicomachus> I wonder if it's pihole...
[00:44] <daftykins> sounds broken, if you have the package resolvconf still installed then it should be umm, that automagic DNS from that
[00:44] <daftykins> it's a kind of 'weight' associated with a link in order to infer a priority, so a lower metric is a preferred link
[00:45] <daftykins> when i set up servers, i purge the package 'resolvconf', reboot, then rm /etc/resolv.conf and recreate it containing only "nameserver 8.8.8.8" for example, or whoever is your DNS provider of choice
[00:45] <nicomachus> uhhh... pihole query log is showing almost constant queries for 'daisy.ubuntu.com'
[00:47] <daftykins> is that service running on the Pi itself?
[00:47] <nicomachus> pihole is, yes.
[00:47] <daftykins> i'm not familiar with it but if resolv.conf is looking at localhost surely nothing is resolving
[00:48] <daftykins> this doesn't really explain why you couldn't SSH in from work since that should've all been IP only and no hostnames attached
[00:49] <nicomachus> true.
[00:51] <nicomachus> yea I added nameservers to resolv.conf and still can't ping out
[00:52] <nicomachus> I can't ping 8.8.8.8 either
[00:52] <daftykins> are you sure it let you edit? typically resolv.conf is automatically edited by resolvconf
[00:53] <nicomachus> they show up after I save it.
[00:53] <daftykins> hrmm
[00:53] <daftykins> how about specifying a nameserver to query, so "nslookup google.com 8.8.8.8"
[00:54] <daftykins> although like you said not being able to ping suggests it' a no-go
[00:54] <daftykins> *it's
[00:55] <nicomachus> yep. no servers reached.
[00:56] <daftykins> how do you handle networking atm? DHCP or a static IP set via /etc/network/interfaces ?
[00:57] <daftykins> btw i have the Royals game on via MLB!
[00:57] <daftykins> Whit Merrifield has been quite the diamond in the rough
[00:58] <nicomachus> DHCP
[00:58] <nicomachus> and I love Whit. He's been amazing for us. I hope we can keep him, it's definitely going to be a selling year for the team. A lot of good players are going to be gone by July.
[00:59] <daftykins> most are dead or gone already!
[01:00] <daftykins> run a 'sudo apt purge resolvconf' then, edit the interfaces file to specify the IP by hand against that interface name, then 'rm /etc/resolv.conf' and recreate it by hand with e.g. "nameserver 8.8.8.8" assuming it becomes contactable after the earlier steps
[01:00] <daftykins> sounds very broken
[01:01] <nicomachus> fresh install coming up
[01:02] <nicomachus> hmmmm
[01:03] <nicomachus> Router is showing an IPv4 address of 192.168.1.80, which is the reserved address I had on the old network before we moved.
[01:03] <nicomachus> So something on the pi is requesting that address. BUT the router has the resevered IP set as 192.168.1.194, and ifconfig showed that as well.
[01:05] <nicomachus> and the DHCP limit on this router is 100-253
[01:06] <nicomachus> so I moved the DHCP start to 80 and set the reserved IP to 80. Should do it.
[01:07] <daftykins> 1.80 is a very odd IP for a router
[01:07] <nicomachus> that was the pi address
[01:08] <daftykins> oh ok, so is the router still 1.254 ?
[01:08] <nicomachus> yes
[01:08] <daftykins> DHCP scope doesn't really matter as long as static hosts are outside of it
[01:09] <nicomachus> nah, still can't ping out.
[01:09] <daftykins> sounds a lot like a quirk with whatever OS image is on the Pi then
[01:09] <nicomachus> ubuntu mate 16.04
[01:11] <nicomachus> I think a fresh install is probably a good idea anyway. try out raspbian or OSMC
[01:12] <daftykins> from there i'd probably start running manual commands to override it and see what's going on
[01:12] <daftykins> i take it you can still ping 1.254 fine, but DNS is all screwy?
[01:13] <nicomachus> I'm just gonna wipe it.
[01:14] <daftykins> okie dokie
[01:19] <nicomachus> wth... I can't rsync either.
[01:19] <daftykins> :S
[01:19] <nicomachus> either way. to or from.
[01:20] <daftykins> try overriding the networking with a "sudo ifconfig <interface name> 192.168.1.x netmask 255.255.255.0"
[01:39] <nicomachus> x is the gateway or pi ip?
[01:40] <daftykins> pi ip
[01:40] <daftykins> you have to do gateways via a separate command
[01:48] <nicomachus> now the nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf is 127.0.1.1
[01:50] <nicomachus> I powered it down. gonna stick the SD in my laptop and backup and reimage
[01:56] <daftykins> yeah 127.0.1.1 would be normal for DNS via resolvconf
[04:25] <nicomachus> it's been like this all night I'm dying: http://www.speedtest.net/result/7264980902.png
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:09] <ducasse> good morning, everyone
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> morning mate
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> !releasenotes
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> oO
[06:30] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: yet another factoid that needs an update
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> sky887: you have been warned before not to troll
[07:34] <sky887> Yeah
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> sky887: this will get you banned one day, is that really what you want?
[07:35] <sky887> I want good things :-)
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> sky887: thats not what you gonna get with your attitude
[07:36] <sky887> Ok
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> breakfast with eggs was good
[08:38] <ducasse> sandwich with roastbeef here :)
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> hmm sounds good ducasse
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> salt n pepper ontop?
[08:41] <ducasse> yup, and lettuce
[08:41] <lotuspsychje> nice
[08:43] <ducasse> trying to decide what to have for dinner
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> think im gonna order pizza here
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> with chicken wings as starters
[08:44] <ducasse> nom nom nom - chicken wings... *drool*
[08:45] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: they deliver food where you live?
[08:48] <ducasse> some places do, yes
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> cool with a snowmobile :p
[08:51] <ducasse> snow is just about gone now, just a few spots left :)
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> yayy
[08:53] <ducasse> yup, spring is here and luna is enjoying her freedom outside :)
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> cool
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> https://twitter.com/ubuntu
[09:47]  * lotuspsychje ordered some goodies :p
[09:48] <lotuspsychje> kofte lamb pizza + chicken wings + icecream
[09:51] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: yum :)
[09:52] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: davide136 is telling people to install eol releases, and just won't shut up
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> ive seen his nick before
[10:25] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:34] <ducasse> morning, BluesKaj
[10:34] <ducasse> how are you today?
[10:34] <BluesKaj> 'Morning ducasse, how's it going?
[10:35] <BluesKaj> fine here, and you,ducasse?
[10:36] <ducasse> having a nice spring day
[10:36] <ducasse> should probably do some work around the house if i can find the motivation
[10:39] <BluesKaj> same here,  done some things, but still plenty to do
[10:42] <BluesKaj> we have a low pressure area moving thru here, windy and cool today with high of +7C, maybe some sunny periods
[10:51] <JimBuntu> We are expected to hit 10-11 today, woo hoo, bon fire tonight
[10:54] <BluesKaj> bonfire, still allowed?
[10:54] <BluesKaj> btw , 'Morning JimBuntu
[10:55] <JimBuntu> g'morn BluesKaj . Yeah, I am allowed to have bon fires all year-round
[10:55] <BluesKaj> out in the countryside ?
[10:55] <JimBuntu> The limit is the diameter can't be greater than about 1.5 meters
[10:55] <JimBuntu> I kinda live in the countryside, and prefer to keep it that way
[10:56] <BluesKaj> ok, sounds nice
[10:57] <BluesKaj> we're allowed burn barrels and those outdoor fire pits, but have no idea what the restrictions are
[10:57] <JimBuntu> Well, it used to be really nice... more people moving out this way though :(    ... and a nearby area was purchased, new people cut down all the trees... now the herons drive me crazy some times with their squawking
[10:58] <JimBuntu> I could get by with one of those pre-made fire pits, I guess... I know that right now, I wouldn't want to live anywhere that wouldn't at least let me have a pre-made fire pit.
[10:58]  * BluesKaj scratches his head, i don't understand people cutting trees down unless they pose a danger
[10:59] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, they intended to build a house on the property... ~2 years later, haven't broken soil
[11:00] <JimBuntu> All they ended up doing was removing all the things that used to stop the river noises from reaching me... ugh
[11:01] <BluesKaj> most properies around here require a foundation within a yr
[11:01] <BluesKaj> properties\
[11:02] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, nothing like that here. We still have a bunch of farms out this way, some plots are strictly for farming and the owners live on disconnected lands... have to drive their equipment out to it.
[11:02] <BluesKaj> no side roads
[11:02] <JimBuntu> It's not fun to get stuck behind the farmers when they are driving a tractor/etc, but it's OK, I love farmers.
[11:03] <JimBuntu> no side roads much of the time BluesKaj, no where to put them without forcing them through farms
[11:04] <JimBuntu> My most dreaded area driving around here, is where they forced a road right through a farm... not far from the house and equipment barns... I always feel bad when I have to drive through there, at least 25% of the time, I see the owners moving equipment from one side to the other.
[11:04] <BluesKaj> usually farms are connected by side roads , at least they are here
[11:04] <BluesKaj> JimBuntu,^
[11:05] <BluesKaj> even if the farmers have the roads built themselves
[11:07] <JimBuntu> What you call a side road, may be the kind of roads I am driving on. Sometimes there are OK dirt roads, sometimes they are private around here and only go to a specific place. I still drive on dirt roads almost every time I go out for groceries/etc though
[11:08] <BluesKaj> right, that's what i mean ..heh semantics
[11:09] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, even so, these "side roads" I take, depending on where I am going, are now owned and maintained by the local government.
[11:09] <JimBuntu> The "old" roads have mostly been stolen/taken by the local governments.
[11:10] <JimBuntu> I have little doubt that one road I take, used to simply lead from the town to the farmers house... then the gov took it, and extended it to reach another town.
[11:12] <JimBuntu> Speaking of roads... I would like to visit some old Roman roads that are still in use today, some time. I saw a special about one a few years back, and it left a desire within me
[11:13] <BluesKaj> yes there are still some in Britain including brifges
[11:13] <BluesKaj> bridges
[11:14] <BluesKaj> spell check never did work properly in konversation
[11:15] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, I don't care if there are miss-spellings, lol. Don't waste your time fixing them unless you want to.
[11:15] <JimBuntu> A Roman bridge, yes, I would like to walk across one of those too.
[11:15] <BluesKaj> it bugs me, these old fingers miss sometimes
[11:16] <JimBuntu> I have visited a few hand-built, oxen raised, wooden covered bridges that are still walkable and made a point to capture the visits on video... no telling how long those will be left before some ordinance says they have to be replaced
[11:18] <JimBuntu> By the end, making a Roman road was quite the undertaking, a long process. I have thought about replacing our private road (simply dirt with a little stone on the top) with a proper Roman road... even a footpath would be way better than what we have today... the amount of work stops me... maybe if I work in small chunks I'll eventually finish... lol, or I hire a team to do it
[11:20] <BluesKaj> there were still some covered bridges surviving in the "Maritime Provinces" and Quebec, a few yrs ago. No idea if any are still standing.
[11:20] <JimBuntu> Ah Quebec. Do you know if they still have most things in English as well as French? as in, road signs/etc?
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Major Hwy road signs are in both languages, but city street signs are french,but easily read , just remember that Rue is street and you have no trouble
[11:23] <JimBuntu> I have not been out that way in a while. Very beautiful country.
[11:25] <BluesKaj> going to visit my daughter in Montreal this summer, Haven't been there in a long time either
[11:27] <JimBuntu> Another great city in Canada. Although... it's Canada, basically every large city is great.
[11:28] <BluesKaj> if you like the city :-)...I can handle it for a week or so then i can't wait to get out
[11:29] <JimBuntu> lol. I know the feeling. Great for a vacation, not somewhere I want to live.
[11:29] <JimBuntu> I would like to visit the West side of Canada again, have not done that since I was a little whipper snapper.
[11:32] <BluesKaj> I lived and worked in Toronto for a couple of yrs back when I was young and single. It was fun in some ways but I came back north where we have real winters and could go skiing etc and see my old friends again
[11:33] <JimBuntu> Question: Do you know if there are what Americans call "Snow birds" in Canada... as in, are there people who move North for summer and South for the winter? while staying in Canada?
[11:34] <JimBuntu> In the U.S.A. it's quite common for retired people to do this and your "real winter" comment made me think about it.
[11:37] <BluesKaj> yes, there an large fresh water island called "Manitoulin Island that's just south of me in the North Channel of Lake Huron. It has a lot of Americans from especially Ohio and NewYork who have cottage properties on some of the lakes there. Also there are plenty of Americans with properties on various lakes around this whole region
[11:38] <BluesKaj> most move back stateside in October or so tho
[11:39] <JimBuntu> Smart people, to go North for the beauty. Thank you for the info.
[11:41] <BluesKaj> my parents had a cottage on Manitoulin and moved south to Padre Island Texas in winter for many yrs
[11:45] <BluesKaj> til they got too old drive that far, so they settled for an apartment in a small city in southern Ontario
[11:46] <JimBuntu> That can be a long drive. I have driven from basically Quebec to San Antonio before, in one shot, not exactly a fun experience.
[11:47] <JimBuntu> I suppose, if I was heading to my "Summer" home... and took a few breaks, that would be another story though.
[11:48] <JimBuntu> I actually missed my exit and almost wound up in Mexico, lol.
[11:48] <BluesKaj> heh
[12:38] <oerheks> RATIO 3,3 = 57 GB :-p
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> neat oerheks
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> wich release wins?
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> flavor
[12:39] <oerheks> Mate 64 bit, 11,60 GB
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> wow
[12:40] <lotuspsychje> how about ubuntu-desktop?
[12:40] <oerheks> 2nd, 8,47
[12:40] <lotuspsychje> nice
[12:40] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^
[12:43]  * BluesKaj stays away from the DE debate, it's a matter personal taste and preference
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[12:43] <BluesKaj> of
[12:43] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje
[12:43] <BluesKaj> hey oerheks
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> !distupgrade
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> :p
[12:54] <oerheks> update manager -d .. didn't care.. oh my
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> haha
[12:54] <oerheks> please do not tell me the truth
[12:54] <oerheks> i cannot handle that
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> hi pragmaticenigma
[13:06] <pragmaticenigma> howdy
[13:11] <EriC^> hey lotuspsychje
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> lazy after pizza here :p
[13:13] <EriC^> have you seen avengers yet?
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> isitoutyet! ?
[13:13] <EriC^> yes on zooqle
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> trailer looked cool
[13:14] <EriC^> havent seen it yet, it said hdrip and it's 2.6gb
[13:14] <EriC^> lms
[13:14] <EriC^> video is shit
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> didnt see yet
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> EriC^: check this :p https://linuxconfig.org/
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> looks a bit like yours
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> EriC^: more good news, they looking for someone https://linuxconfig.org/floss-technical-writer-linuxconfig-org
[13:25] <lotuspsychje> $$$$
[13:25] <pragmaticenigma> I love how people don't want to help me, help themselves
[13:26] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: you need help? :p
[13:28] <pragmaticenigma> nah, I got them covered now. It's an old issue of lazy devs... they add an option to not look at a file, but they still check for the file's presence
[13:29] <pragmaticenigma> so someone will go looking for help and think I'm suggesting a workaround by having the stick an empty file in the location of the file not to be looked at
[13:29] <pragmaticenigma> blank file in location magically allows the application to work
[13:29] <pragmaticenigma> even though it's not supposed to be necassary
[13:30] <pragmaticenigma> it requires a bug report, but to get them the information they need to file the bug report, the workaround has to be tried anyways
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> ic
[15:17]  * lotuspsychje is burning lubuntu 18.04 32bit
[15:18] <daftykins> eww 32-bit
[15:18] <daftykins> :)
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> another old machine daftykins :p
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> im gonna test the minimal function this time
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> curious what it does
[15:19] <oerheks> it keeps doors open ?
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:19] <daftykins> xD
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> you know me guys, i dont throw away working stuff
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[15:19] <daftykins> runs just enough to detect approaching people and say "hello" whilst it props the door open ;)
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> back in the days hackers violated the world on dialup machines
[15:20] <oerheks> lotuscomputers > curiousity > Antique
[15:20] <daftykins> that's because the rest of the world was still dialup
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> now we have fancy stuff, we forgot it
[15:20] <daftykins> today, a lot has moved on ;)
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> hahaha
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> lol oerheks
[15:20] <daftykins> actually, a friend of mines inlaws are still using dialup over in Michigan
[15:21] <daftykins> the types who really, really fear change
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> next is 18.04 on commodore64
[15:21] <daftykins> he had to force their gmail to HTML only so it wouldn't keep timing out
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> jesus daftykins
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> network speed i need :p
[15:23] <daftykins> ;)
[15:24] <pragmaticenigma> I sympathize daftykins ... now I just give it to someone straight. I fix it once, you break it again, you're going to have to find someone else and pay them to fix it
[15:25] <daftykins> got a client atm who is trying to save money on a really old piece of software by resurrecting some ancient probably Windows XP PC just to run it
[15:26] <daftykins> this was after i pointed out that you can't typically just copy and paste software between old and new systems anymore
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> indeedy
[15:29] <pragmaticenigma> it's becoming easier again, once microsoft ditches the registry (it's "on" their roadmap) we might stand a chance at software portability again.
[15:29] <daftykins> you won't get me ever entertaining wine usage
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> i can loan you some ancient hardware lol
[15:30] <daftykins> heh i just had that cheap case arrive on Friday, that'll make 3 core 2 PCs i should get rid of
[15:31] <daftykins> just awaiting the replacement case fans then it's time to do the big server replacement
[15:31] <daftykins> er, well upgrade
[15:32] <pragmaticenigma> up until a few years ago I was still lugging around an AMD K6-2... I just couldn't support the motherboard anymore... it was too much of a pain
[15:33] <daftykins> what was it good for?
[15:33] <pragmaticenigma> one thing that I did find interesting is for games ScummVM makes a better environment than Wine
[15:34] <pragmaticenigma> The AMD K6-2 was used for a few networking projects, the motherboard supported both AT and ATX PSUs meaning I could run with a switched powersupply or softswitch powersupply
[15:35] <pragmaticenigma> In otherwords that old system would reboot on power restoration by itsel
[15:35] <pragmaticenigma> itself*
[15:35] <daftykins> ah pretty common feature now
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> seems like minimal installing FF
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> almost done
[15:53] <daftykins> best turn off images and video support ;D
[15:54] <lotuspsychje> haha
[15:55] <lotuspsychje> links2 google hardware news
[16:56] <EriC^^> hey Bashing-om
[17:01] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Good to ne here - recovering from a power outage. aleays frightful here .
[17:01] <daftykins> ooh err
[17:01] <Bashing-om> ne/be*
[17:01] <daftykins> wind related?
[17:02] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Hard to say, the power grid here in these mountains is always somewhat unstable :(
[17:03] <Bashing-om> I have got to get my UPS replaced !
[17:04] <daftykins> dead battery?
[17:04] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Most likely ueah .. battery has had it .. easier and cheaper just to replace the unit .
[17:06] <daftykins> ah i used to find that, but most recently i found amazon sellers doing new batteries which was nice :D
[17:07] <daftykins> mines been going for a long time, i should probably be replacing it
[17:08] <Bashing-om> daftykins: My world will be much more secure with a new UPS :)
[17:09] <daftykins> :D i quite like APC's BR900GI
[17:11] <Bashing-om> daftykins: My old one is a APC, do not have access presently to the model .. will note your recomendation for the replacement, thanks !
[17:11] <daftykins> :>
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> tv time
[20:13] <Apachez> so whatsup with the maintaining of casper?