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[11:32] <ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @matv1, Better to ask in OpenStore
[11:33] <ubptgbot> <Stereofont> I forwarded
[11:35] <ubptgbot> <Andre Büsgen> Hi there, i got one question: Telegram seems very unresponsive on my oneplus one (stable branch). Is there a way to make it faster?
[11:38] <ubptgbot> <matv1> Andre Today the telegram service has suffered outages because of a big power failure in the amterdam area, where they have servers. So if you problems have been just today, then it has nothing to do with you, ubuntu touch or your phone.
[11:39] <ubptgbot> <Loader009> @Stereofont, thank you, I just got a message from a dev that my phone isn't ready for ubports (lots of bugs he said)
[11:41] <ubptgbot> <matv1> Andre I don't have a Oneplus One myself, but I have heard no reports that Telegram would not work on that phone (if you are running a 15.04 stable image)
[11:43] <ubptgbot> <Andre Büsgen> Thank you Mathijs
[11:43] <ubptgbot> <Andre Büsgen> I will wait and hope that it gets better
[11:47] <ubptgbot> <matv1> with regard to telegram, I have had issues all morning but it seems to be improving now.
[11:47] <ubptgbot> <TartanSpartan> We are back!
[11:50] <ubptgbot> <Andre Büsgen> @matv1, That's good to hear. I installed ubports just yesterday. And this gave me a bad feeling ;)
[11:50] <ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @matv1, Of course the power would not have been hacked by a troll factory …
[11:51] <ubptgbot> <PhoenixLandPirate> Why would trolls take it down, then trolls cant troll people.
[11:52] <ubptgbot> <matv1> lol right :)
[11:55] <ubptgbot> <matv1> And besides, I live in the netherlands. That power failure near amsterdam was real  :(
[11:59] <ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @PhoenixLandPirate, 😂
[12:02] <ubptgbot> <rogieroudshoorn> yeah, dear trolls, please don't mess up the airport when you want to take down telegram. thnx, the netherlands
[12:12] <ubptgbot> <Stereofont> Fwd from rubencarneiro: Theres no click package on 18.04 be aware of that
[12:32] <ubptgbot> <matv1> @Stereofont is this refferencing my earlier question about clickable? I am aware that clicks dont run on 18.04 desktop. My question was if Clickable (the app by Brian Douglass, to generate .click packages) is confirmed to run on 18.04 desktop. Clickable itself is not a .click package.
[12:52] <ubptgbot> <Stereofont> Ah. I thought that was what Ruben meant
[12:53] <ubptgbot> <Stereofont> Fwd from advocatux: I'm testing 18.04 and Clickable seems to run fine
[12:53] <ubptgbot> <Stereofont> 👍
[12:58] <ubptgbot> <rogieroudshoorn> would be nice to have a way to run click packages on desktop ;)
[13:02] <ubptgbot> <advocatux> @Stereofont, Note that I need to test it in deep, just seems to run fine for now
[13:04] <ubptgbot> <advocatux> Aldo @Stereofont I think the link to https://devices.ubports.com/ is wrong, it should be to http://ubuntu-touch.io/devices There is no "legacy devices anymore" The info is different between those two pages
[13:04] <ubptgbot> <advocatux> [Edit] Aldo @Stereofont I think the link to https://devices.ubports.com/ is wrong, it should be to http://ubuntu-touch.io/devices There is no "legacy devices" anymore The info is different between those two pages
[13:07] <ubptgbot> <matv1> @advocatux, Thanks. Good to know!
[13:08] <ubptgbot> <advocatux> Even Atom runs fine
[13:25] <ubptgbot> Myrdynsheppard was added by: Myrdynsheppard
[13:28] <ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @advocatux, I think the new version needs some info from the old version but I have switched it over now
[13:29] <ubptgbot> <Stereofont> @Myrdynsheppard, Hello Sebastian.  Look here for UBports info … https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
[13:30] <ubptgbot> <Stereofont> https://t.me/UBports_French
[13:31] <ubptgbot> <Stereofont> Since you name is not Icelandic 😉
[13:31] <ubptgbot> <Stereofont> [Edit] Since your name is not Icelandic 😉
[13:31] <ubptgbot> <Myrdynsheppard> Good morning beautiful open minded individuals! If it's not morning where you are sorry, it's morning in Canada! I have a question about if and when the ubports installer will work for all devices universally that runs Android? Like have the ubports installer scan whatever device the user wants to install it on and see what t
[13:31] <ubptgbot> he device build as in hardware and components the device has within and take from upborts and maybe also the android server hosted by Google that all device manufacturers have access to in order to tweak the android OS to work how they have their devices setup? Will there ever be a way for you to partner or get on that list of manufacturers in orde
[13:31] <ubptgbot> r to see how each manufacturer tweaks the Android OS to work so that ubports can easily be installed and ported as well dual booted on all Android powered devices?
[13:32] <ubptgbot> <Stereofont> Basically no, without a revolution in architecture
[13:32] <ubptgbot> <Stereofont> Each build is unique and complex
[13:42] <ubptgbot> <Myrdynsheppard> Would it be possible for a new group @ ubports to be focused on developing and creating a software that can be installed and or .APK file for people to download from ubports website and gather all data needed from devices as you say "unique and complexity" of the OS... Like why is Ubuntu desktop universal and not the touch OS
[13:42] <ubptgbot> ? Like the desktop and other versions of the OS scans what internal components that computer has and install hassle free... Why can't Ubuntu Touch use the same type of installer as the desktop installer! If you think of it phones are computer but more handheld they both have a hard drives and speakers and sound cards and screens and all other simil
[13:42] <ubptgbot> ar hardware... I only ask because I have a Samsung Galaxy A5 2017 and want to be able to either have Ubuntu Touch on it and run all my android apps especially the one I need to administer my Google Wi-Fi router or have my Samsung dual boot android and Ubuntu Touch! Yet shouldn't ubports focus on all Samsung devices as a whole like Canonical has don
[13:42] <ubptgbot> e especially for the Samsung Dex system? Can't you guys talk with developers from Canonical and ask them to send you all the lines of codes and all the work they had done with Samsung to create the Ubuntu ARM for the Samsung Dex and make it available for all Samsung devices?
[13:43] <ubptgbot> <Myrdynsheppard> Maybe there's something in what Canonical did with Samsung Dex that could help ubports alot?
[13:44] <ubptgbot> <rogieroudshoorn> sorry, this is pure fantasy
[13:44] <ubptgbot> <rogieroudshoorn> phone hardware does not have the built-in detection mechanism nor the open source drivers that enables the awesome linux on regular computers
[13:44] <ubptgbot> <rogieroudshoorn> also, even IF anbox ever gets to stable status, it will certainly not be "just like on android"
[13:45] <ubptgbot> <rogieroudshoorn> we (luckily!) don't have the google services API's for instance
[13:45] <ubptgbot> <rogieroudshoorn> the best option of getting "good enough" and "open enough" hardware is the purism phone imho
[13:46] <ubptgbot> <rogieroudshoorn> it'll probably never apply to old android phones, and certainly not samsungs
[13:47] <ubptgbot> <Stereofont> x86 is a standardised hardware. Android devices are entirely non-standard, so expectations have to be different
[13:48] <ubptgbot> <Stereofont> Incidentally, please break up long posts. They create major problems for those on irc link
[13:50] <ubptgbot> <Myrdynsheppard> https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.androidheadlines.com/2017/11/samsung-demonstrates-ubuntu-16-running-natively-dex.html/amp&ved=2ahUKEwj0leuTz9_aAhVEiFkKHWzVAYMQFjANegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw0eXR8XR4786P3IeA15ZqmQ&ampcf=1
[13:50] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> That's on top of Android
[13:53] <ubptgbot> <Stereofont> See Halium project for an approach to standardisation
[13:53] <ubptgbot> <Stereofont> Maybe one day, AI will automate porting
[13:54] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> @Myrdynsheppard, I think you need to learn more about mobile phones, Android architecture and the business model behind.
[13:59] <ubptgbot> <amolith> ^^ 👍
[13:59] <ubptgbot> <amolith> [Edit] This ^^ 👍
[14:35] <ubptgbot> <advocatux> @Stereofont, 👍
[15:34] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> @rogieroudshoorn, You can on 16.04
[15:35] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Except the OpenStore doesn't have x86 clicks yet
[15:35] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Generally
[15:35] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> And fat clicks aren't an excellent option...
[15:36] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> The webapps and pure qml work fine, and rebuilding stuff is easy enough
[15:37] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> Not that the x86 debe archive works at the moment either
[15:37] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> debe?
[15:37] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Oh I see
[15:37] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> Phone keyboards are awful
[15:37] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Yeah, installability checks are looking paramount
[15:37] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> [Edit] Not that the x86 deb archive works at the moment either
[15:38] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Or learning Jenkins about Debian dependencies and ABI
[15:38] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> autopkgtest ftw?
[15:38] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> Probably. @tsimonq2 has been the one yelling at me about that
[16:28] <ubptgbot> el_viejo27 was added by: el_viejo27
[16:29] <ubptgbot> <advocatux> @el_viejo27, Hi el_viejo27, check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed
[18:06] <ubptgbot> Daniel_Wood was added by: Daniel_Wood
[18:09] <ubptgbot> <advocatux> @Daniel_Wood, Hello Dan, welcome. Don't forget to take a look to https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
[19:06] <ubptgbot> <matv1> THE Dan Wood?
[19:06] <ubptgbot> <matv1> Welcome back @Daniel_Wood
[19:07] <ubptgbot> <DanChapman> @matv1, +1
[19:08] <ubptgbot> <Daniel_Wood> @matv1, Hey!! It's good to be back!! I heard a rumour UB ports found a new home on the librem5.
[19:08] <ubptgbot> <matv1> yup
[19:08] <ubptgbot> <matv1> not quite yet though
[19:09] <ubptgbot> <matv1> whats the rollour date for those? I think januari '19
[19:09] <ubptgbot> <matv1> roll-out
[19:26] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> @Daniel_Wood, Its still a long road to this
[19:27] <ubptgbot> <Daniel_Wood> @Flohack, I know. I backed the devkit and a phone. I'm looking forward to working on some apps again.
[19:36] <ubptgbot> <mateosalta> @arudy
[19:39] <ubptgbot> <arudy> @mateosalta, Done :)
[20:07] <ubptgbot> <SignalWalker> are there any problems specific to the nexus 5x, or has it just not been tested yet?
[20:09] <ubptgbot> <dohbee> there are issues with crashes and such, which seem specific to that device, yes
[20:13] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> You also can't install Ubuntu Touch out of the box, if that's why you're asking
[20:19] <ubptgbot> <SignalWalker> oh yeah i know the second one; i'm building it right now
[21:37] <ubptgbot> <Flohack> @SignalWalker, Good Luck. So far everyone failed 😆
[21:54] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @Flohack, It's not u solveable
[21:54] <ubptgbot> <UniversalSuperBox> @Flohack, [Edit] It's not unsolveable