[01:17] <rthornton> have 18.04 up & runing fine, but cannot find the julia package
[01:17] <rthornton> also I find it odd that ntp is not installed by default
[07:03] <mate|18647> Hey is there anyone that could answer...I want to understand if Mate being the fork of an early version of Gnome, and whether it has some configuration tools for freedesktop specifications the way Gnome used it before it shifted over to gsettings...W
[07:07] <mate|18647> Not sure what happened I got disconnected maybe, but is this a good place if someone has a minute to help with a problem  solving is Menu's related to make them far mcuss
[07:07] <mate|18647> more custom
[07:10] <mate|6790> Question about the menus in Mate, and what tools are avaliable to make changes to them.  Does anyone know of a way to do this...make a completely custom solution for the various menus according to freedesktop standards?
[07:13] <diogenes_> mate|6790, try to narrow down your question
[07:18] <mate|6790> Ok, just in need of a good place to go reading/researching for implementing the change in my menus...I want to add certain top level items that aren't there, how do I do that?
[07:19] <diogenes_> alacarte or libremenu
[07:19] <mate|6790> diogenes_; do you know how I might add custom menus because the only tool I have seen is inadequate for these purposes
[07:19] <mate|6790> that's the one
[07:19] <diogenes_> those are 2
[07:19] <diogenes_> not one
[07:19] <mate|6790> which of those is what it is when right-click in panel to get Edit Menus
[07:20] <diogenes_> i guess it's alacarte
[07:20] <diogenes_> try libremenu\
[07:21] <mate|6790> I will give it a try, but it seems like no matter what is done in er of those programs that the menus in the panel seem to appear slightly different than that
[07:22] <mate|6790> I'm going through an update to developer set of packages (newest Mate/Ubuntu), so I will have to wait for now until that is done, could be an hour
[07:22] <mate|6790> Thanks for the help
[07:22] <diogenes_> yw
[07:23] <mate|6790> diogenes_; are you familiar with making use of gsettings the way gnome desktop, and could that be something I might also try working with a backend tool like that?
[07:24] <diogenes_> mate|6790, i use a different os and DE so can't help you with that one
[07:24] <alkisg> mate|6790: I just came, what are you trying to do with gsettings?
[07:26] <alkisg> Meh I scared him away :D
[07:26] <mate|6790> No connection
[07:26] <mate|6790> probs
[07:26] <alkisg> :D
[07:26] <mate|6790> :)
[07:28] <mate|6790> The real thing  I would like to change is to add a category to the menu and fill it with specific items.  Is that something the menulibre can do for all my Wine programs?
[07:29] <alkisg> You can put items in /usr/share/applications, and they'll show up in all users menus
[07:29] <mate|6790> As of now they get automatically listed in Other category, which I can't stand
[07:30] <mate|6790> I took the time to get Wine installed with the base system etc., to not have the menu a separate list.  I currently use a drawer in the mate-panel, but that also seems to not work.
[07:31] <mate|6790> I really like Mate, and for more than just look and feel, I think it is a good overall mix of form and function for me.  But if I can't make a change like that then I would just go back to running a more customizable OS like gentoo.
[07:31] <mate|6790> distro not OS
[07:31] <alkisg> mate|6790: (1) read what I wrote. (2) gentoo has mate too, and it's not different there.
[07:31] <alkisg> (10:29:21 πμ) alkisg: You can put items in /usr/share/applications, and they'll show up in all users menus
[07:31] <alkisg> This isn't related to distros
[07:32] <alkisg> It's the standard way to show menus in linux
[07:33] <mate|6790> the .desktop file has a listing for Categories...yet these do not match the menus
[07:33] <mate|6790> E.g. X11VNC Server
[07:33] <mate|6790> Categories=Network;RemoteAccess
[07:33] <mate|6790> Menu is in Applications > Internet
[07:33] <alkisg> That's the name of the "Network" category
[07:34] <mate|6790> That is weird?
[07:34] <mate|6790> Name?
[07:34] <mate|6790> Can I create a new name and category for my wine apps
[07:34] <alkisg> Yeah, the internal code name is different than the display name
[07:34] <alkisg> Sure, you can create categories if you think that all those defined in the xdg standard aren't enough for you
[07:35] <mate|6790> Can I create a new directory for just category of apps like put all Wine apps into a new menu that is not shared with any other apps
[07:35] <mate|6790> A single category that is, and a single directory in other words
[07:36] <alkisg> Check "Registered categories" in the specification: https://specifications.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-1.0.html
[07:37] <mate|6790> alkisg; appreciate it, thanks for the link, I will look over it, but just opened it...where do I make the changes ultimately later...is it in the files in a different folder.
[07:39] <alkisg> mate|6790: example: we made 20 .deb packages for wine-based programs, and put them under education, and the result is this:
[07:39] <alkisg> http://ts.sch.gr/repo/images/education-menu.png
[07:39] <alkisg> You can define menus, icons, launchers, anything; just read the spec
[07:39] <alkisg> It's not related to the distro or the desktop environment that you use
[08:06] <alkisg> Wimpress: hi, I found and reported this issue that hangs Ubuntu MATE, should I also mark it as "affects ubuntu-mate"? (and how, I don't see ubuntu-mate in the projects list...)
[08:06] <alkisg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fcitx/+bug/1767765
[10:54] <mate|11993> por favor, me pueden ayudar ha instalar MegaSync en Ubuntu mate 18.04?
[11:10] <Hammit> Hi, I was told previously that I might need to wait a few hours to be able to upgrade to 18.04. I still can't upgrade even after waiting more than just a few hours
[11:10] <Hammit> Just wondering what would be causing this delay?
[11:10] <Hammit> Is there anything I can do about it, or is there something wrong that I need to fix?
[11:11] <mate|53752> Hola
[11:18] <mate|53752> por favor necesito ayuda
[11:25] <crimson_king> mate|53752, you can ask your question. Pero no hablo español
[14:39] <mate|11993> necesito instalar MegaSync en Ubuntu Mate 18.04 y no puedo hacerlo
[18:38] <Guest1944> hello
[18:57] <tompa[m]> my DisplayPort gets deactivated after a while and I have to reconnect the display port to get it active again!?
[18:57] <tompa[m]> any ideas?
[19:40] <tompa[m]> maybe to high resolution...?
[19:53] <enyc> tompa[m]: anythings possible im afraid
[19:53] <enyc> tompa[m]: usually copmuter debugging, try different kerenls and xorg versins, etc...
[20:15] <tompa[m]> lowering refresh rate from 120 to 60Hz - now it looks ok again, but will keep testing
[20:19] <enyc> tompa[m]: yes, do you have multilpe different linux versions / bootdisks / etc...?
[20:29] <tompa[m]> nope only mate on this machine and it hass been working just fine until I changed display
[20:30] <tompa[m]> didnt think about the higher spec and refresh rate until now 😄
[21:55] <mate|95142> hi all
[21:55] <diogenes_> hi
[21:55] <mate|95142> can I ask for some help here?
[21:56] <diogenes_> !ask
[21:56] <mate|95142> wow
[21:56] <mate|95142> feels like in the 90 in a linux channel
[21:56] <mate|95142> thanks :)
[21:57] <mate|95142> so the first thing. I saw a wideo where there was a Desktop layout chooser
[21:57] <mate|95142> I just installed mate, and there is no such thing and I can't find it
[22:00] <mate|95142> and the hing what is drive me creasy. that annoying popup notes, when i stop the mouse for a sec. it covers the next item in the menu for example
[22:01] <mate|95142> well
[22:01] <mate|95142> this is why i asking, if I can ask for help :P
[22:02] <diogenes_> !patience
[22:02] <mate|95142> :))
[22:03] <mate|95142> this was the first two things after I installed mate
[22:05] <lapaga> mate|95142, are you talking about themes?
[22:05] <mate|95142> and the main reason to give mate a try, that I saw that I can change the desktop layout
[22:05] <mate|95142> no. not themes
[22:06] <mate|95142> but thanks for reacting
[22:06] <lapaga> like gnome-session or xfce-session?
[22:06] <mate|95142> no clue abut these
[22:06] <mate|95142> its a fresh install
[22:07] <mate|95142> in the video, there was a desktop layout button on the welcome screen. I only have a browser selection button there
[22:08] <mate|95142> i would like to have a unity like launcher
[22:10] <lapaga> mate|95142, you are refering to mate-tweek where you can choose mutiny panel
[22:11] <mate|95142> yes
[22:11] <mate|95142> thank you!
[22:11] <mate|95142> and now i like mate :)
[22:20] <mate|95142> ok. and now how can I install packages? :)
[22:20] <mate|95142> i can't find software center or something, hm I should not choose the minimal install? :)
[22:22] <lapaga> mate|95142, you can install via software boutique and if that does not have what you are looking for you can install other things or you can use apt
[22:28] <mate|95142> thank you lapaga
[22:34] <lapaga> np
[22:36] <mate|95142> it seems this is not the desktop environment I am looking for :(
[22:38] <lapaga> mate|95142, what is it that ubuntu-mate does not do that you want?
[22:40] <mate|95142> I am on ubuntu with unity, and I am really get used to it
[22:41] <lapaga> mate|95142, then stick with what you like...you can always try other distros in virtualbox
[22:41] <mate|95142> well this is the case now :)
[22:41] <lapaga> ok
[22:42] <mate|95142> maybe I should try to install unity to mate?
[22:42] <mate|95142> the feature i really miss without unity is the global menu
[22:46] <lapaga> doesn't mutiny have a global menu?
[22:48] <mate|95142> something like that, but not so good
[22:50] <mate|95142> it's perfect with terminal
[22:52] <mate|95142> but i don't have menu in chrome
[22:52] <mate|95142> maybe i try a restart :)
[22:52] <mate|95142> thanks for helping
[22:52] <mate|95142> bye
[22:57] <mate|48835> and now I have global manu in chrome but not in terminal :)
[23:10] <yerbamate> my terminal does not work
[23:12] <yerbamate> restart the machine and nothing happened
[23:12] <lapaga> sooo...all of a sudden I lost both panels and plank and only thing that worked was right click to get a terminal...what log can I look at to see what happened?
[23:22] <yerbamate> pressing right button does not appear directly
[23:25] <yerbamate> someone speaks Spanish in the forum