[00:23] <ideomotion> can I configure kde to open a menu on mouse up instead of mouse down?  mouse up occasionally triggers a menu item on my mice
[00:23] <ideomotion> mouse down I mean
[00:29] <ideomotion> or have mouseup on a menu not trigger a click, which might be better
[01:23] <chamar> Hi folks, does 18.04 Kubuntu have a "minimal install" like the official Ubuntu?
[01:23] <ideomotion> yes I'm using it now and recommend it
[01:23] <chamar> Thanks.  Downloading. ;)
[01:23] <ideomotion> I used Fedora kde spin beta and it was a lot of work
[01:23] <ideomotion> just last night
[01:23] <ideomotion> went to kubuntu 18.04 and all the work was done for me
[01:24] <ideomotion> no offense to fedora devs
[01:24] <chamar> yeah.. I always remove kdekim and friend.. so
[01:24] <ideomotion> fedora kdespin is halfbaked
[01:24] <chamar> See.. I associates Fedora with Gnome.. less with KDE even if I heard good thing of their Spin too
[01:25] <ideomotion> tons of program crashes
[01:25] <chamar> really? Heard it was ok
[01:25] <ideomotion> well the beta
[01:25] <ideomotion> 17 is old though
[01:25] <ideomotion> I was using 18
[01:25] <chamar> ho.. they are.. what.. 28 now?
[01:25] <ideomotion> but the beta is due out soon
[01:25] <ideomotion> err
[01:25] <ideomotion> 28
[01:25] <ideomotion> sorry
[01:25] <chamar> lol
[01:25] <ideomotion> sooo many version numbers in my head
[01:25] <chamar> yeah.. story of my life too.
[01:26] <ideomotion> so all you have to do is go to the kde desktop.  put your mouse high on your screen, and while moving downward fastly, midway down, right click
[01:26] <ideomotion> it will activate a menu item
[01:26] <ideomotion> this should never happen
[01:26] <chamar> weird
[01:27] <ideomotion> you have to move down and to the right a little
[01:27] <ideomotion> in the motion
[01:28] <Guest61335> ideomotion,  yeah... that should be the default, because if someone doesn't want to do something they should be able to click the other and cancel the mouse action.
[01:28] <Guest61335> ideomotion:  Menus should open on mouse up... it's a bug for them to open on mouse down
[01:29] <[Relic]> waiting for 18.04 to be out a week or two so I can see if the move mouse left, dead stop on side of window/screen still affects it
[01:36] <Guest61335> ideomotion,  https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=393663
[01:36] <Guest61335> ideomotion, I hope that helps and accurately describes part of the problem.
[01:37] <JMichaelX> anyone else finding 18.04 to be fairly sluggish?
[01:37] <Guest61335> ideomotion, you may also want some sort of anti motion for a certain period of time after a click.
[01:37] <JMichaelX> i am using a fairly old Core2 Quad 2.5GHz w/8GB DDR2
[01:38] <Guest61335> ideomotion, I disabled quite a few of those things on my computer used for drafting because I use all of my mouse buttons while moving the cursor and pressing keys...
[01:38] <Guest61335> JMichaelX:  To turn off the eye-diabetes the settings are now under display.
[01:38] <Guest61335> JMichaelX: That's normally the first or second thing I do with a system
[01:39] <JMichaelX> you mean turn off compositing, etc?
[01:40] <Guest61335> JMichaelX, I always do that... I found my little atom notebook could keep up with KDE4 but not even windowsXP
[01:40] <Guest61335> but only after I turned off the eye-diabetes.
[01:42] <Guest61335> JMichaelX:  It's also possible to turn off some animations under application style / widget style
[01:42] <JMichaelX> hmm. i just realized that the proprietary nvidia drivers are not installed. they were apprently removed during the upgrade?
[01:45] <JMichaelX> i am evidently using nouveau, in which case i am impressed with how well it is doing, despite it also being the probable source the problems i've been experiencing
[01:46] <Guest61335> JMichaelX: Ah, that may do it too.
[01:52] <JMichaelX> hmm, getting all kinds of errors trying to install nvidia drivers
[01:54] <JMichaelX> https://pastebin.com/BtU8RQDg
[01:55] <chamar> and.. installed!
[01:57] <chamar> humm.. strange.. the pacakge "openjdk-11-jre" is actually jdk 10?!
[02:03] <ideomotion> anyone know how to configure libinput
[02:03] <ideomotion> I want to prevent accidental menu item actions
[02:03] <chamar> not yet.. but let me know your finding :P My next target is my laptop!
[02:04] <chamar> Check out ArchWiki maybe?  it does contains pretty useful information
[02:04] <ideomotion> during a fast downward and rightward mouse movement, if you right or left click triggering a menu, it will activate a menu item sometimes
[02:04] <ideomotion> you can try it over a menu bar with left click and the desktop with right click
[02:04] <ideomotion> 100% reproducable
[02:04] <ideomotion> I was talking in the kde channel
[02:04] <ideomotion> down and right movement, middle of movement on desktop, right click
[02:04] <ideomotion> it will trigger a menu item almost every time
[02:05] <ideomotion> with my high dpi mouse, this happens often
[02:05] <ideomotion> someone please confirm this behavior
[02:06] <ideomotion> I think it's KDE specific, since it happened in Fedora KDE spin as well, and doesn't happen in windows 10 or gnome
[02:07] <chamar> well.. if you right click on the desktop, it will opem the context menu and will "activate" the option when you releaes the mouse button!?
[02:08] <ideomotion> in one right click action
[02:08] <ideomotion> no hold
[02:08] <ideomotion> yes
[02:08] <ideomotion> try it
[02:08] <ideomotion> initiate by moving fast downward and rightward and then right click
[02:08] <ideomotion> if you don't have logout confirmation, it might log you out completely
[02:08] <ideomotion> it happened to me
[02:08] <ideomotion> right click during the motion
[02:09] <chamar> I don't get it mate.. right clicking will activate the context menu alone
[02:09] <chamar> so it will triggered the action on which your mouse cursor is over (and it can be logout...)
[02:09] <ideomotion> right clicking during a fast downward and rightward motion will activate the context menu and trigger the action
[02:09] <ideomotion> and it shouldn't do this
[02:10] <ideomotion> it should only trigger menu items when held down
[02:10] <ideomotion> not when simply clicked
[02:10] <chamar> so you mean it will triggered the action without releasing the mouse button!?
[02:10] <ideomotion> people with high sensitivity settings on their mice have this happen all the time
[02:10] <ideomotion> no
[02:10] <ideomotion> it triggered the action without even holding it down
[02:10] <ideomotion> just a single right click with no hold
[02:11] <chamar> hum.. maybe you mouse .. everything seems fine for me ?!
[02:11] <ideomotion> I have a logitech g502 set to 3000dpi with a max of 12,000dpi
[02:11] <ideomotion> what is your mouse dpi at
[02:11] <chamar> mx master something
[02:11] <chamar> no idea of the dpi
[02:11] <ideomotion> that's 1000dpi
[02:11] <ideomotion> my dpi is 3x as high
[02:12] <chamar> could be it ..
[02:12] <ideomotion> yes but this doesn't happen in gnome or windows
[02:13] <ideomotion> most mice don't use high dpi on linux, because most mice dont' have onboard settings like gaming mice
[02:13] <ideomotion> g502 has a chip that makes linux run at the same high dpi settings from windows
[02:13] <ideomotion> without any install of vendor software
[02:13] <ideomotion> this is why I suspect the bug isn't being seen by most people
[02:14] <chamar> maybe.. I'll be honest.. I'm probably way stupid when it comes to mouse ;)
[02:14] <ideomotion> I just wish I could disable the right click hold menu item trigger behavior
[02:15] <ideomotion> it would solve my problem
[02:15] <ideomotion> the libinput manual isn't helping me
[02:29] <ideomotion> back
[02:29] <ideomotion> logged out since 22:15 in case someone answered
[02:29] <chamar> didn't see anything
[02:37] <ideomotion> I can't wait for Firefox to have tabs in title bar on stable and fixed up
[02:37] <ideomotion> doesn't work at all in 59
[02:38] <ideomotion> buggy in 60
[05:56] <Kali_Yuga> is it possible to replace sddm-greeter in plasma 5 with a different login manager? got an optimus laptop and switching graphic cards makes the sddm-greeter behave weirdly...I cannot login or sometimes everything is laggy so i gotta restart everytime.
[05:56] <Kali_Yuga> like lightdm or something
[06:02] <valorie> Kali_Yuga: yes, you can install lightdm, but whether or not it will work for you is another question
[06:03] <valorie> you can install anything in the archive
[06:08] <Kali_Yuga> valorie: well yes the other question is if I could even use it with plasma 5. like change the login manager in system settings or something? I never tried replacing a login manager before.
[06:09] <valorie> should be no problem with Plasma 5 at all; however we don't test with lightdm at all, so I have no insight as to whether or not it will work
[06:10] <valorie> we used it years ago when kdm was deprecated
[06:10] <valorie> however I am now heading to bed
[06:10] <Kali_Yuga> ok gn8
[06:10] <Kali_Yuga> thx for the help
[06:11] <valorie> you can sort of bypass the greeter by enabling auto-login
[06:11] <valorie> "help"
[06:11] <valorie> sorry I can't offer more but my eyes are closing
[06:11] <Kali_Yuga> well i gotta log out to and back in to switch graphic cards..
[06:12] <Kali_Yuga> yeah i figure out something eventually
[06:28] <Kali_Yuga> relogin after quit did do the trick. still kinda buggy so it isn't completely sddm's fault. but login out twice makes it work now without having to restart.
[07:56] <thatmuppit> hi folks
[07:57] <thatmuppit> just set up a fresh install of KDE/kubuntu - nuke & pave. been a while since I've used it, but looks nice
[07:58] <thatmuppit> a couple of things that I'm still getting used to
[07:59] <thatmuppit> my other machine is a fedora desktop - loaded KDE too - and I mush say what I dig about fedora is how unexciting it is - it just plugs away, doing it's thing with little fuss
[07:59] <thatmuppit> what I'd like to know on this kubuntu desktop is how to load online account integration
[08:00] <thatmuppit> on my fedora-gnome it was a simple case of authenticating my google account, auth my 2FA, and it's all loaded - chat, mail, calendar, etc
[08:00] <thatmuppit> on this kubuntu box, nothing seems to come that easy
[08:05] <Sparkiie> hi thatmuppit
[08:09] <thatmuppit> hey Sparkiie
[08:10] <Sparkiie> I've not used Fedora since its creation, so cant comment, so just saying Hi :)
[08:18] <thatmuppit> Sparkiie: np
[08:19] <thatmuppit> give fedora a go - it's like when you take the training wheels off ubuntu
[08:19] <thatmuppit> like an OS for grownups
[08:20] <thatmuppit> k. looks like I'm shitoutaluck. there's NO integration wrt PIN in KDE - (SSO) accounts, mail, contacts, calendar, chat, etc
[08:24] <Sparkiie> im only 40 years old haha
[08:24] <Sparkiie> I log into Chrome and thats it ;)
[09:45] <markc> I've installed a fresh kubuntu an a couple fo machines and plasma-nm has NO virtual bridge section BUT my current kubuntu-ci laptop does have a bridge section. Is this a feature of the upcoming 5.13 or am I missing some network-manager-* package?
[10:20] <kubast2> t
 @markc, by default it is hidden now  … you need to enable this option by right clicking at network icon in system tray and choosing Network Settings.
 (Photo, 800x650) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/T9mPvrL5/file_6327.jpg
 Show and configure virtual connections
[11:09] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:09] <alket> hey BluesKaj
[11:09] <BluesKaj> Hi alket
[11:47] <markc> Thanks to whoever TaurohtaRR is for helping me with my missing virtual connections problem in plasma-nm
 u r welcome
 this proble also bothered me for some time
[11:50] <markc> Yay, nothing holding me back from installing a fresh Kubuntu 18.04 now :)
[11:59] <markc> FWIW this is not desktop related but it is entirely developed on Kubuntu -> https://github.com/netserva/hcp
[15:16] <benvantende[m]> Heyla, I seem to have a change in the Samba behaviour in Dolphin since 18.04. I no longer see the SHARES in Network, but can approach them by looking up the IP. So smb://192.168.1.23 does show the SHARE in Dolphin.
[15:16] <benvantende[m]> Doees anybody experience the same and knows what is gong on here?
[15:22] <BluesKaj> benvantende[m], use the "add network folder" option in dolphin network to get your shares back
[15:23] <benvantende[m]> thanks ... and trying as we type
[15:27] <benvantende[m]> Right ... got the picture, but it is basically the same as typing in the IP and the IP of my SHARE changes from time. AFAIR Network > Samba shares should list my SHARES
[15:28] <BluesKaj> I just list them in dolphin places on the left panel
[15:30] <BluesKaj> of dolphin that is
 probably worth looking to see if reported on bugs.kde.org
[15:39] <benvantende[m]> BluesKaj: You can only list by connecting an IP to the Network Folder. It is gone once assigned another IP by the device.  The behaviour before 18.04 was to show SHARES in Network > Samba Shares
[15:39] <benvantende[m]> It seems to be this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=392447
[15:53]  * benvantende[m] sent a long message: benvantende[m]_2018-04-30_15:53:10.txt <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/mietUzHZfZDZSZrVNQWrMpOK>
[16:08] <user|27977> Hi, I'm using kubuntu 18.04 and would like to opt-IN to the data collection stuff
[16:13] <BluesKaj> user|27977, what do you mean?
[16:23] <user|27977> Hi, I'm using kubuntu 18.04 and would like to opt-IN to the data collection stuff
[16:25] <BluesKaj> user|27977, i answered that question in #ubuntu
[16:27] <BluesKaj> user|27977, install Collectl
[16:28] <user|27977> BluesKaj thank you so much
[16:30] <BluesKaj> user|27977, yw
[16:34] <user|27977> BluesKaj do I need to start it? configure it or anything like that
[16:37] <BluesKaj> !Collectl |user|27977
[16:38] <BluesKaj> it's in the software center user|27977 , read the description there
[16:45] <om26er> Will "Discover" ever support snap app installation ?
[16:46] <om26er> I think there are a whole lot of Apps in the snap store that will definitely "boost" Discover's usability.
[16:47] <om26er> maybe I should be asking that in #kde-neon ?
[17:09] <assalat3> om26er, using Kubuntu 18.04 I can install snap/flatpak backend in Discover --> Settings. Haven't used them though.
[17:11] <om26er> assalat3: right, I am on kde-neon and had to install plasma-discover-snap-backend for snaps to show up
[17:11] <om26er> but still good to know they are supported by default in Kubuntu.
[17:11] <om26er> kubuntu: hey ?
[17:12] <Guest15782> good work on kubuntu 18.04
[18:59] <gpap_> Hello everybody
[18:59] <diogenes_> hi
[19:00] <gpap_> I have just switched to plasma and kubuntu from ubuntu
[19:00] <gpap_> and i need help about a minor problem\
[19:02] <ideomotion> gpap_: fire away
[19:02] <gpap_> in every restart tha plasma panel showing me the IBUS panel and the standard kde plasmoid for changing keybord layout
[19:03] <gpap_> now if i close the ibus plasmoid the keybord do weird things and not responding
[19:04] <gpap_> the by pass method i found was not showing the ibus plasmoid at the panel, but unfortunatelly at every rebooting this is appearing again
[19:05] <gpap_> well my installation method started from ubuntu minimal and then i installed kubuntu desktop metapackage
[19:06] <gpap_> it was nessecary too to change in sddm, otherwise plamsa couldn't start at all
[19:20] <o_a> Hello. Any idea when the updates to 18.04 will be available in 17.10?
[19:29] <diogenes_> o_a, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
[19:40] <o_a> diogenes_: I've seen this, that's why I'm asking. How many days is a few days?
[19:41] <diogenes_> o_a, the range is from 2 to infinite
[19:46] <o_a> Thx
 Never could get nvidia drivers installed on kubuntu 18.04.  Back to Mate
[21:43] <acheronuk> o_a: "few" = however long it takes the Ubuntu release team to be happy that most upgrade bugs are fixed or not serious - that is across all *buntus. main and flavours
[22:16] <valorie> @tstechy -- how were you installing?
[22:16] <valorie> my nvidia drivers work just fine unless I'm trying wayland
[22:24] <ideomotion> I'm on kubuntu 18.04 with firefox 60 latest beta with title bar unchecked in customize. I'm using a 4k monitor with 200% scaling.  The close/min/max buttons on Firefox in the CSD are tiny. any fix or hack?
[22:27] <valorie> ideomotion: I found getting non-KDE /Qt applications to scale correctly was some work
[22:28] <valorie> there are ways in the application itself though
[22:28] <valorie> but I use Falkon these days and it Just Works
[22:29] <valorie> is that you, Brian?
[22:31] <valorie> there we go
[22:31] <valorie> hello classywhetten
[22:32] <valorie> welcome to Real IRC
[22:32] <valorie> :-)
[22:32] <classywhetten> Hey valorie!
[22:32] <valorie> by which I mean in a client not a browser
[22:32] <valorie> :-)
[22:33] <valorie> and in Konversation, the *best* irc client
[22:33] <valorie> IMO
[22:33] <classywhetten> I'm convinced, I like it.
[22:33] <valorie> cool
[22:33] <valorie> sec
[22:49] <valorie> classywhetten: since you are new to irc freenode, here is a hint to finding useful channels:
[22:49] <valorie> !alis
[22:49] <valorie> I use it all the time
[23:38] <ideomotion> valorie: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1458095
[23:38] <ideomotion> I just made that
[23:38] <valorie> cool
[23:38] <valorie> can you also make a LP bug and link that?
[23:38] <ideomotion> I also made a bug in kde that they duped and wontfixed
[23:39] <ideomotion> what's an lp bug
[23:39] <ideomotion> noob here
[23:39] <valorie> use `ubuntu-bug firefox` in the commandline
[23:40] <valorie> that will gather info about your system (anonymous of course) and take you to launchpad with some of that stuff prefilled
[23:40] <valorie> if you don't have a login there yet, it will let you make one then
[23:40] <ideomotion> I can't do that. I disabled it.  I can't let anyone know anything about me or my manifesto or my revolution
[23:40] <valorie> that linked bug will help
[23:40] <ideomotion> my privacy is paramount
[23:40] <ideomotion> :)
[23:40] <valorie> of course KDE will not fix FF
[23:40] <valorie> it is not their software
[23:41] <ideomotion> it was a different bug
[23:41] <ideomotion> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=393695
[23:41] <ideomotion> tagged it dup to https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-57849
[23:41] <valorie> kde doesn't make Kubuntu either
[23:41] <ideomotion> it's really bad behavior
[23:42] <ideomotion> it isn't a kubuntu bug
[23:42] <ideomotion> it's a kde/qt bug
[23:42] <valorie> qt bugs the KDE devels do try to fix and send to Qt
[23:43] <valorie> sometimes those fixes are accepted eventually and sometimes they are not
[23:43] <ideomotion> they raged something awful in #kde when I referred to KDE as a DE
[23:43] <ideomotion> apparently it's a community
[23:43] <valorie> but Qt bugs are exposed by KDE software
[23:43] <valorie> they are not KDE bugs
[23:43] <valorie> KDE is a community, yes
[23:43] <valorie> Plasma is the KDE de
[23:43] <ideomotion> I miss the days of kde3 when it was just a de
[23:44] <valorie> like Windows is the Microsoft de
[23:44] <valorie> ok
[23:44] <ideomotion> I accept plasma as a de now
[23:44] <ideomotion> but I did give them a hard time
[23:44]  * valorie does not like mixing the community and the software they make
[23:45] <ideomotion> is there a way to debundle appdash, web browser, color picker, notes, activity pager, fifteen puzzle, user swoitcher etc.
[23:45] <valorie> ?
[23:46] <ideomotion> if you try to remove any one of those packages in discover, it won't let you unless you remove them all
[23:46] <valorie> !
[23:46] <valorie> sounds wrong
[23:47] <ideomotion> they are all little kde widget things
[23:47] <ideomotion> about a dozen of them
[23:47] <ideomotion> I only want a couple
[23:47] <valorie> can't you hide them then?
[23:48] <valorie> I have no widgets i don't want, and have never seen a widget show up unwanted
[23:48] <ideomotion> well I'm not actually using them.
[23:48] <ideomotion> I'm removing stuff
[23:48] <ideomotion> from the package manager
[23:48] <valorie> why?
[23:48] <ideomotion> less is more
[23:48] <valorie> ok
[23:48] <ideomotion> I used the minimal install in kubuntu 18.04
[23:48] <ideomotion> I like it
[23:49] <valorie> sure, if you don't need PIM, then it is great
[23:50] <ideomotion> a design is excellent when there is nothing left to take away
[23:50] <ideomotion> not necessarily a rule but I like the idea
[23:52] <ideomotion> for instance I rarely if ever edit an image and it's so fast to install, I keep gimp uninstalled until I need it
[23:52] <ideomotion> and then uninstall it when I'm done