[02:53] <budheswarbaghel> hi there 🤗
[04:01] <bfg-snes> hello
[04:01] <bfg-snes> i installed this  software today
[04:01] <bfg-snes> and it is very very good
[04:04] <calamari> jeez.. pluma pauses constantly now
[04:05] <calamari> mate is so screwed up with this GTK+ 3 fetish the devs got
[04:06] <calamari> I guess I need to find a repo that has 1.12 and just reinstall that
[04:07] <calamari> gtk is the enemy, because the gnome devs are on crack. that's why mate was good in the first place.. gnome 3 bad, gnome 2 good
[04:51] <enyc> calamari: o dear!
[04:52] <enyc> calamari: I wonder if linuxmint-19 will do a better variant of MATE than that include more directly in ubuntu repos
[05:18] <alkisg> calamari: you can keep using 16.04 if you want a gtk2 version
[05:18] <alkisg> Noone complains about gtk3. It's gnome 3 some people don't like
[05:19] <alkisg> Also, "pauses"? How? Bug report?
[05:27] <vin_> hi
[09:56] <Hammit> Hi guys, I'm having some problems upgrading my system. Can I please have some help?
[10:20] <sixwheeledbeast> !ask
[10:20] <ubottu> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[10:25] <Hammit> Upgrading Ubuntu MATE won't work. How do I fix this?
[10:34] <diogenes_> Hammit, to wait
[10:36] <sixwheeledbeast> What version you upgrading from and to. Could do with a little more detail on versions and errors you are getting.
[10:37] <Hammit> I have set the repo to "Main Server" (In Software & Updates, Download From:)
[10:37] <Hammit> I'm using 17.10 and trying to upgrade to 18.04
[10:38] <Hammit> but Software Updater keeps saying the computer is up to date
[10:38] <Hammit> I've also followed the instructions on the Ubuntu Mate Blog for upgrading, but none of those work
[10:39] <diogenes_> because u have to wait
[10:40] <Hammit> I can handle waiting, but for what?
[10:40] <Hammit> a server file to get updated?
[10:40] <diogenes_> for a week or more
[10:41] <Hammit> oh, wow
[10:42] <Hammit> ok, some work still to be done by the Ubuntu Mate team then
[10:42] <diogenes_> yes i guess because for instance read the instructions for kubuntu users and when they can upgrade
[10:43] <diogenes_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
[10:43] <diogenes_> it says: Upgrades from 16.04 LTS may not be enabled until a few days after the 18.04.1 release expected in late July.
[10:43] <diogenes_> Upgrades from 17.10 will not be enabled until a few days after 18.04's release
[10:44] <Hammit> yep. Good find. I did upgrade my Ubuntu Server 16.04 LTS the other day
[10:44] <Hammit> I had to use -d as an argument to do-release-upgrade
[10:44] <Hammit> do-release-upgrade -d
[10:45] <Hammit> but since this is 17.10, not an LTS upgrade, I thought it would pretty much be straight away
[10:45] <diogenes_> well that's all i can say because i don't use any kind of ubuntu, maybe someone more experienced in ubuntu's mate upgrade policy could explain better.
[10:45] <Hammit> well, good find on the Kubuntu page anyway. thanks for that :)
[10:46] <Hammit> great that your able to lurk in ubuntu mate channel even when you don't use it
[10:47] <diogenes_> i try my best to help linux
[10:48] <Hammit> :D
[10:56] <sixwheeledbeast> Ubuntu-Mate should be released AFAIK, apart from Pi build which will be timed for 18.04.1 release
[11:03] <Hammit> sixwheeledbeast: maybe it is released as ISO only atm
[11:04] <sixwheeledbeast> Update Manager should tell you if there is a new release.
[11:04] <Hammit> Has anyone upgraded MATE from 17.10 yet?
[11:04] <Hammit> hmm
[11:06] <Hammit> ok, i just ignored the upgrade instructions on the blog and ran `do-release-upgrade` from the command line
[11:06] <Hammit> it said no new release found
[11:06] <Hammit> i re-ran it with `do-release-upgrade -d`
[11:07] <sixwheeledbeast> I haven't but I generally wait a little from the initial notification before I do anyway.
[11:07] <Hammit> and is now downloading a bunch of stuff for the apt update
[11:07] <Hammit> ok, so the do-release-upgrade worked
[11:08] <Hammit> it's now saying on the command line that i can upgrade
[11:08] <Hammit> looks like a bug to me
[11:09] <sixwheeledbeast> lets hope you get ubuntu-mate and not just the ubuntu packages.
[11:10] <Hammit> yeah, i was just checking that then
[11:10] <Hammit> do-release-upgrade -d --frontend=DistUpgradeViewGtk3
[11:10] <Hammit> I get the Ubuntu Release notes
[11:10] <Hammit> i think that may not be the right path to take
[11:11] <Hammit> i am checking the source code for /usr/lib/ubuntu-release-upgrader/check-new-release-gtk to see what to do here btw
[11:13] <Hammit> well, what I may do is wait a few more days then, and if doesn't work a week after initial release, then I'll come back
[11:15] <diogenes_> Hammit, so we went back to my initial advice, to wait :)
[11:16] <Hammit> Yep. lolz
[11:17] <Hammit> :D
[11:17] <Hammit> alright, thanks for your help fellas
[11:17] <Hammit> cyas
[11:18] <sixwheeledbeast> !patience
[11:18] <ubottu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or https://ubuntuforums.org or https://askubuntu.com/
[12:37] <lapaga> does mate have the ability to add a clock widget to the desktop and if so how
[12:38] <lapaga> i have looked and everything seems from years ago
[12:52] <sixwheeledbeast> clock widget?
[13:02] <diogenes_> lapaga, no clue about mate clock widget, but try cairo-clock
[13:02] <diogenes_> that one should woek
[13:12] <lapaga> ok
[13:54] <just_jon> is it possible to set the desktop clock to 12 hour and not 24 hour?
[13:54] <just_jon> in 18.04
[14:03] <user1_> hi everyone
[14:04] <lapaga> just_jon, just click on clock  pref and change
[14:04] <just_jon> I must be missing something, one second
[14:05] <user1_> i am using ubuntumate on a raspberry pi 3.. can upgrade to higher version?
[14:07] <just_jon> lapaga, I'm not seeing it, I've been using mate for years, is this something that went away in 18.04
[14:08] <lapaga> just_jon, when you right click on the time in the panel does it not show preferences as one of the option?
[14:25] <just_jon> it does say preferences, but I don't see a 12 hour clock as being an option one can set
[14:28] <mate|44552> hi all
[14:28] <just_jon> https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-panel/issues/580
[14:28] <just_jon> I think I found something
[14:28] <mate|44552> how to install driver amd gallium?
[14:30] <mate|44552> i can't play video with vlc
[14:31] <diogenes_> mate|44552, u need codecs
[14:32] <mate|44552> how?
[14:33] <diogenes_> !codecs
[14:33] <ubottu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/media.html  - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[14:44] <markb1> What's the "desktop stability" looking like, with 18.04 Mate?  I *think* (not 100% sure) there was some race condition w/Plank, locking up or greatly slowing mouse-activity in the Mate WM, for 17.10.  Curious.
[15:00] <mate|9821> hola descarge ubuntu-mate 32bit me pide contraseña y usuario
[15:01] <mate|9821> pasword
[15:02] <mate|9821> username and pasword for instalation
[15:02] <gnugr> mate|9821: please, try in English
[15:03] <mate|9821> español
[15:03] <mate|9821> uruguay
[15:03] <diogenes_> !es
[15:03] <ubottu> En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba " /join #ubuntu-es " (sin comillas) y presione intro.
[15:04] <mate|9821> no me ayudan
[15:12] <mate|75975> Hi community of Ubuntu MATE
[15:46] <jj77> Hello! Anyone knows where I can change the "Send telemetry" option in Ubuntu 18.04 Mate after first selection in the welcome screen? I can't find it again. Thanks!!
[16:01] <gnugr> jj77: not sure if it's what you meant, but try 'ubuntu-report -f send no'
[16:02] <gnugr> or remove popularity-contest package
[16:19] <jj77> gnugr: thanks... btw the "ubuntu-report" man page doesn't seem to be complete. there's no documented "send no" option
[16:20] <gnugr> jj77: ubuntu-report --help?
[16:20] <gnugr> note you don't need sudo for that
[16:22] <jj77> ok --help shows it. i was talking about the generated man page
[16:22] <jj77> btw. when i try to remote the popularity-contest-package there'e a dependency to ubuntu-standard. don't know whether this is a problem
[16:23] <gnugr> for sure check in '/home/user/.cache/ubuntu-report
[16:26] <jj77> ~/.cache/ubuntu-report$ cat ubuntu.18.04
[16:26] <jj77> {"OptOut": true}
[16:27] <jj77> ok but would be nicer to remove the whole package
[16:28] <jj77> everytime this metapackage is updates all dependend packages including popolarity-contest will be installed again with default settings i guess...?
[16:29] <Alexander-47u> hi all
[16:52] <gnugr> jj77: if you want to remove all spyware 'sudo apt purge ubuntu-report popularity-contest apport whoopsie' to avoid them phoning system
[18:48] <jj77> gnugr: thank you. hope the purging won't have negative effects due to dependencies or whatever...
[18:55] <l0llip0p> hi! If I install minimal version of ubuntu-mate it doesn't include mutiny-desktop layout?
[18:55] <l0llip0p> And I'm talking about 18.04 version
[18:58] <enyc> l0llip0p: are yo usaying you have found said layout is mirisg and surprised,  or you want to find out  to figure if you gcan get-away with minimal version, or what?
[18:59] <diogenes_> l0llip0p, i think you need a translator there :)
[19:01] <l0llip0p> enyc: I trying to find out: does the minimal installation version include the mutiny?
[19:02] <l0llip0p> I'm not the fan of mutiny and hud implementation and if I install ubuntu-mate (which is most likely) I would like to get rid of them :P
[19:02] <enyc> l0llip0p: it may be quickest and easty to jsut try it from boot-usb or so
[19:02] <enyc> l0llip0p: you could just un-install the relevant package, likely
[19:03] <l0llip0p> I found the following link but It doesn't answer to my question :( https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-mate.bionic/view/head:/desktop.minimal-remove
[19:04] <l0llip0p> enyc: Yeah that is relevant option
[19:04] <enyc> l0llip0p: do you know what file contaits the theme you are concerned by?
[19:05] <l0llip0p> enyc: No I don't. I havent downloaded anything yet. Just doing research beforehand
[19:05] <gnugr> minimal ISO will use net to install system, doesn't mean less of it
[19:06] <enyc> l0llip0p: i think you r best bet just to install normal version and set a stheme yu ar ehppy with
[19:06] <enyc> gnugr: Aaaaah .. that wuld make sens..  I did see SOMEWHERE tsome ubunt nvariants having a 'minimal install' option  but thats probably DIFFERENT to minimal(netinst) disk image.
[19:07] <l0llip0p> enyc: could be.. I just like to have extra things what I don't use out of my system
[19:07] <enyc> l0llip0p: there wil be aloooads of pakceges you don't use... you could spend all day trying to sort it out
[19:07] <l0llip0p> :D
[19:08] <enyc> l0llip0p: more important is you hav ethe things you do use  ad you aren't having  processes eating up CPU/RAM that acutally slow things down
[19:08] <enyc> l0llip0p: a few extra files on disk is going ot be insignificant,  unless you are arcutally trying to sequeeeze installed system ino 2gb usb sitck or something...
[19:08] <l0llip0p> enyc: good point
[19:08] <enyc> l0llip0p: i.e. sort out the actual practical problems that acually matter
[19:09] <enyc> l0llip0p: also, GENERALLY be aware 18.04 has some bugginess and if you haev a nicely working producion system on 16.04 you may be better to leave it until 18.04.1 comes out in july)
[19:10] <l0llip0p> enyc: But do you know: The hud implemeation of ubuntu-mate theme isn't inlcluded in other theme environments?
[19:10] <enyc> l0llip0p: i don't know
[19:10] <enyc> l0llip0p: just install it and test it
[19:10] <l0llip0p> enyc: Yeah that is my plan :) I don't have the extra time to install/energy it to my main system :P
[19:11] <enyc> l0llip0p: what is your main system and how well does it work for you?
[19:11] <l0llip0p> I wouldn't like to use ubuntu-mate themes resources for pointless downloading if you know what I mena
[19:12] <l0llip0p> enyc: My main system is lubuntu 16.04 unfortunately their implemeation of libbreoffice and other gtk3 applications is bugy
[19:12] <enyc> l0llip0p: right, and so you've got a REASON to change
[19:12] <enyc> l0llip0p: 18.04 MATE may be a good choice
[19:13] <l0llip0p> I used xubuntu for long time but unfortunately I needed to have better filemanager for stfp use
[19:13] <enyc> l0llip0p: i wouldn't be worried by resources, just use local mirror site, record the 18.04 image, and it can be tested from usb-boot
[19:13] <l0llip0p> so I changed to lubuntu and my computer doesn't have enough memory for main ubuntu
[19:13] <enyc> l0llip0p: RAM is often cheap to get/add
[19:14] <enyc> l0llip0p: I've put in 3gb ram in loads of older laptops etc.
[19:14] <l0llip0p> enyc: thinkpad's x200 bios didn't like when I changed the wifi-card
[19:15] <enyc> l0llip0p: hrrm thats different to wifi... wifi has some regulatory-nonsense
[19:15] <l0llip0p> so I don't have the courage to risk with ram :D
[19:15] <enyc> l0llip0p: /join #ibmthinkpad
[19:16] <gnugr> wireless-regdb is about to land soon in Debian/testing
[19:16] <l0llip0p> but I'll try to download the image and make a live cd usb so I can test the environment because of your good advices ;)
[19:17] <enyc> l0llip0p: also x200's can have  coreboot installed  instead of lenovo-bios but thats' not for faint-hearted
[19:17] <enyc> l0llip0p: I'm quite sure upgrade x200 to 4gb ram can be done easily. you shouldn't be "worried"
[19:17] <enyc> l0llip0p: I would understand the 'wifi lock' in bios  berause of FCC requirements and all that
[19:17] <l0llip0p> enyc: I have look into it but unfortunately I don't have the courrage to install it yet. I need to have laptop because of my studies :/
[19:18] <gnugr> enyc: regulatory.db will be fixed soon
[19:18] <l0llip0p> enyc: I look into it
[19:18] <enyc> l0llip0p: /join #ibmthinkpad
[19:18] <enyc> gnugr: whats' that got todo with anything?
[19:18] <gnugr> with wifi's
[19:22] <enyc> gnugr: hrrm a known 18.04 bug in general?
[19:22] <enyc> gnugr: or something todo wiht l0llip0p's BIOS rejecting wifi adapter fun?
[19:22] <gnugr> kernel 4.15 has missing certificates for wireles-regdb
[19:22] <enyc> o dear ;p
[19:27] <gnugr> https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/linux/commit/d948b7a44de01b3e6cffa6ff8109c00fb0a1afd9
[19:27] <gnugr> enyc:  ^
[19:37] <enyc> gnugr: fun =)