[02:53] <budheswarbaghel> hi there 🤗
[04:01] <bfg-snes> hello
[04:01] <bfg-snes> i installed this  software today
[04:01] <bfg-snes> and it is very very good
[04:04] <calamari> jeez.. pluma pauses constantly now
[04:05] <calamari> mate is so screwed up with this GTK+ 3 fetish the devs got
[04:06] <calamari> I guess I need to find a repo that has 1.12 and just reinstall that
[04:07] <calamari> gtk is the enemy, because the gnome devs are on crack. that's why mate was good in the first place.. gnome 3 bad, gnome 2 good
[04:51] <enyc> calamari: o dear!
[04:52] <enyc> calamari: I wonder if linuxmint-19 will do a better variant of MATE than that include more directly in ubuntu repos
[05:18] <alkisg> calamari: you can keep using 16.04 if you want a gtk2 version
[05:18] <alkisg> Noone complains about gtk3. It's gnome 3 some people don't like
[05:19] <alkisg> Also, "pauses"? How? Bug report?
[05:27] <vin_> hi
[09:56] <Hammit> Hi guys, I'm having some problems upgrading my system. Can I please have some help?
[10:20] <sixwheeledbeast> !ask
[10:25] <Hammit> Upgrading Ubuntu MATE won't work. How do I fix this?
[10:34] <diogenes_> Hammit, to wait
[10:36] <sixwheeledbeast> What version you upgrading from and to. Could do with a little more detail on versions and errors you are getting.
[10:37] <Hammit> I have set the repo to "Main Server" (In Software & Updates, Download From:)
[10:37] <Hammit> I'm using 17.10 and trying to upgrade to 18.04
[10:38] <Hammit> but Software Updater keeps saying the computer is up to date
[10:38] <Hammit> I've also followed the instructions on the Ubuntu Mate Blog for upgrading, but none of those work
[10:39] <diogenes_> because u have to wait
[10:40] <Hammit> I can handle waiting, but for what?
[10:40] <Hammit> a server file to get updated?
[10:40] <diogenes_> for a week or more
[10:41] <Hammit> oh, wow
[10:42] <Hammit> ok, some work still to be done by the Ubuntu Mate team then
[10:42] <diogenes_> yes i guess because for instance read the instructions for kubuntu users and when they can upgrade
[10:43] <diogenes_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
[10:43] <diogenes_> it says: Upgrades from 16.04 LTS may not be enabled until a few days after the 18.04.1 release expected in late July.
[10:43] <diogenes_> Upgrades from 17.10 will not be enabled until a few days after 18.04's release
[10:44] <Hammit> yep. Good find. I did upgrade my Ubuntu Server 16.04 LTS the other day
[10:44] <Hammit> I had to use -d as an argument to do-release-upgrade
[10:44] <Hammit> do-release-upgrade -d
[10:45] <Hammit> but since this is 17.10, not an LTS upgrade, I thought it would pretty much be straight away
[10:45] <diogenes_> well that's all i can say because i don't use any kind of ubuntu, maybe someone more experienced in ubuntu's mate upgrade policy could explain better.
[10:45] <Hammit> well, good find on the Kubuntu page anyway. thanks for that :)
[10:46] <Hammit> great that your able to lurk in ubuntu mate channel even when you don't use it
[10:47] <diogenes_> i try my best to help linux
[10:48] <Hammit> :D
[10:56] <sixwheeledbeast> Ubuntu-Mate should be released AFAIK, apart from Pi build which will be timed for 18.04.1 release
[11:03] <Hammit> sixwheeledbeast: maybe it is released as ISO only atm
[11:04] <sixwheeledbeast> Update Manager should tell you if there is a new release.
[11:04] <Hammit> Has anyone upgraded MATE from 17.10 yet?
[11:04] <Hammit> hmm
[11:06] <Hammit> ok, i just ignored the upgrade instructions on the blog and ran `do-release-upgrade` from the command line
[11:06] <Hammit> it said no new release found
[11:06] <Hammit> i re-ran it with `do-release-upgrade -d`
[11:07] <sixwheeledbeast> I haven't but I generally wait a little from the initial notification before I do anyway.
[11:07] <Hammit> and is now downloading a bunch of stuff for the apt update
[11:07] <Hammit> ok, so the do-release-upgrade worked
[11:08] <Hammit> it's now saying on the command line that i can upgrade
[11:08] <Hammit> looks like a bug to me
[11:09] <sixwheeledbeast> lets hope you get ubuntu-mate and not just the ubuntu packages.
[11:10] <Hammit> yeah, i was just checking that then
[11:10] <Hammit> do-release-upgrade -d --frontend=DistUpgradeViewGtk3
[11:10] <Hammit> I get the Ubuntu Release notes
[11:10] <Hammit> i think that may not be the right path to take
[11:11] <Hammit> i am checking the source code for /usr/lib/ubuntu-release-upgrader/check-new-release-gtk to see what to do here btw
[11:13] <Hammit> well, what I may do is wait a few more days then, and if doesn't work a week after initial release, then I'll come back
[11:15] <diogenes_> Hammit, so we went back to my initial advice, to wait :)
[11:16] <Hammit> Yep. lolz
[11:17] <Hammit> :D
[11:17] <Hammit> alright, thanks for your help fellas
[11:17] <Hammit> cyas
[11:18] <sixwheeledbeast> !patience
[12:37] <lapaga> does mate have the ability to add a clock widget to the desktop and if so how
[12:38] <lapaga> i have looked and everything seems from years ago
[12:52] <sixwheeledbeast> clock widget?
[13:02] <diogenes_> lapaga, no clue about mate clock widget, but try cairo-clock
[13:02] <diogenes_> that one should woek
[13:12] <lapaga> ok
[13:54] <just_jon> is it possible to set the desktop clock to 12 hour and not 24 hour?
[13:54] <just_jon> in 18.04
[14:03] <user1_> hi everyone
[14:04] <lapaga> just_jon, just click on clock  pref and change
[14:04] <just_jon> I must be missing something, one second
[14:05] <user1_> i am using ubuntumate on a raspberry pi 3.. can upgrade to higher version?
[14:07] <just_jon> lapaga, I'm not seeing it, I've been using mate for years, is this something that went away in 18.04
[14:08] <lapaga> just_jon, when you right click on the time in the panel does it not show preferences as one of the option?
[14:25] <just_jon> it does say preferences, but I don't see a 12 hour clock as being an option one can set
[14:28] <mate|44552> hi all
[14:28] <just_jon> https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-panel/issues/580
[14:28] <just_jon> I think I found something
[14:28] <mate|44552> how to install driver amd gallium?
[14:30] <mate|44552> i can't play video with vlc
[14:31] <diogenes_> mate|44552, u need codecs
[14:32] <mate|44552> how?
[14:33] <diogenes_> !codecs
[14:44] <markb1> What's the "desktop stability" looking like, with 18.04 Mate?  I *think* (not 100% sure) there was some race condition w/Plank, locking up or greatly slowing mouse-activity in the Mate WM, for 17.10.  Curious.
[15:00] <mate|9821> hola descarge ubuntu-mate 32bit me pide contraseña y usuario
[15:01] <mate|9821> pasword
[15:02] <mate|9821> username and pasword for instalation
[15:02] <gnugr> mate|9821: please, try in English
[15:03] <mate|9821> español
[15:03] <mate|9821> uruguay
[15:03] <diogenes_> !es
[15:04] <mate|9821> no me ayudan
[15:12] <mate|75975> Hi community of Ubuntu MATE
[15:46] <jj77> Hello! Anyone knows where I can change the "Send telemetry" option in Ubuntu 18.04 Mate after first selection in the welcome screen? I can't find it again. Thanks!!
[16:01] <gnugr> jj77: not sure if it's what you meant, but try 'ubuntu-report -f send no'
[16:02] <gnugr> or remove popularity-contest package
[16:19] <jj77> gnugr: thanks... btw the "ubuntu-report" man page doesn't seem to be complete. there's no documented "send no" option
[16:20] <gnugr> jj77: ubuntu-report --help?
[16:20] <gnugr> note you don't need sudo for that
[16:22] <jj77> ok --help shows it. i was talking about the generated man page
[16:22] <jj77> btw. when i try to remote the popularity-contest-package there'e a dependency to ubuntu-standard. don't know whether this is a problem
[16:23] <gnugr> for sure check in '/home/user/.cache/ubuntu-report
[16:26] <jj77> ~/.cache/ubuntu-report$ cat ubuntu.18.04
[16:26] <jj77> {"OptOut": true}
[16:27] <jj77> ok but would be nicer to remove the whole package
[16:28] <jj77> everytime this metapackage is updates all dependend packages including popolarity-contest will be installed again with default settings i guess...?
[16:29] <Alexander-47u> hi all
[16:52] <gnugr> jj77: if you want to remove all spyware 'sudo apt purge ubuntu-report popularity-contest apport whoopsie' to avoid them phoning system
[18:48] <jj77> gnugr: thank you. hope the purging won't have negative effects due to dependencies or whatever...
[18:55] <l0llip0p> hi! If I install minimal version of ubuntu-mate it doesn't include mutiny-desktop layout?
[18:55] <l0llip0p> And I'm talking about 18.04 version
[18:58] <enyc> l0llip0p: are yo usaying you have found said layout is mirisg and surprised,  or you want to find out  to figure if you gcan get-away with minimal version, or what?
[18:59] <diogenes_> l0llip0p, i think you need a translator there :)
[19:01] <l0llip0p> enyc: I trying to find out: does the minimal installation version include the mutiny?
[19:02] <l0llip0p> I'm not the fan of mutiny and hud implementation and if I install ubuntu-mate (which is most likely) I would like to get rid of them :P
[19:02] <enyc> l0llip0p: it may be quickest and easty to jsut try it from boot-usb or so
[19:02] <enyc> l0llip0p: you could just un-install the relevant package, likely
[19:03] <l0llip0p> I found the following link but It doesn't answer to my question :( https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-mate.bionic/view/head:/desktop.minimal-remove
[19:04] <l0llip0p> enyc: Yeah that is relevant option
[19:04] <enyc> l0llip0p: do you know what file contaits the theme you are concerned by?
[19:05] <l0llip0p> enyc: No I don't. I havent downloaded anything yet. Just doing research beforehand
[19:05] <gnugr> minimal ISO will use net to install system, doesn't mean less of it
[19:06] <enyc> l0llip0p: i think you r best bet just to install normal version and set a stheme yu ar ehppy with
[19:06] <enyc> gnugr: Aaaaah .. that wuld make sens..  I did see SOMEWHERE tsome ubunt nvariants having a 'minimal install' option  but thats probably DIFFERENT to minimal(netinst) disk image.
[19:07] <l0llip0p> enyc: could be.. I just like to have extra things what I don't use out of my system
[19:07] <enyc> l0llip0p: there wil be aloooads of pakceges you don't use... you could spend all day trying to sort it out
[19:07] <l0llip0p> :D
[19:08] <enyc> l0llip0p: more important is you hav ethe things you do use  ad you aren't having  processes eating up CPU/RAM that acutally slow things down
[19:08] <enyc> l0llip0p: a few extra files on disk is going ot be insignificant,  unless you are arcutally trying to sequeeeze installed system ino 2gb usb sitck or something...
[19:08] <l0llip0p> enyc: good point
[19:08] <enyc> l0llip0p: i.e. sort out the actual practical problems that acually matter
[19:09] <enyc> l0llip0p: also, GENERALLY be aware 18.04 has some bugginess and if you haev a nicely working producion system on 16.04 you may be better to leave it until 18.04.1 comes out in july)
[19:10] <l0llip0p> enyc: But do you know: The hud implemeation of ubuntu-mate theme isn't inlcluded in other theme environments?
[19:10] <enyc> l0llip0p: i don't know
[19:10] <enyc> l0llip0p: just install it and test it
[19:10] <l0llip0p> enyc: Yeah that is my plan :) I don't have the extra time to install/energy it to my main system :P
[19:11] <enyc> l0llip0p: what is your main system and how well does it work for you?
[19:11] <l0llip0p> I wouldn't like to use ubuntu-mate themes resources for pointless downloading if you know what I mena
[19:12] <l0llip0p> enyc: My main system is lubuntu 16.04 unfortunately their implemeation of libbreoffice and other gtk3 applications is bugy
[19:12] <enyc> l0llip0p: right, and so you've got a REASON to change
[19:12] <enyc> l0llip0p: 18.04 MATE may be a good choice
[19:13] <l0llip0p> I used xubuntu for long time but unfortunately I needed to have better filemanager for stfp use
[19:13] <enyc> l0llip0p: i wouldn't be worried by resources, just use local mirror site, record the 18.04 image, and it can be tested from usb-boot
[19:13] <l0llip0p> so I changed to lubuntu and my computer doesn't have enough memory for main ubuntu
[19:13] <enyc> l0llip0p: RAM is often cheap to get/add
[19:14] <enyc> l0llip0p: I've put in 3gb ram in loads of older laptops etc.
[19:14] <l0llip0p> enyc: thinkpad's x200 bios didn't like when I changed the wifi-card
[19:15] <enyc> l0llip0p: hrrm thats different to wifi... wifi has some regulatory-nonsense
[19:15] <l0llip0p> so I don't have the courage to risk with ram :D
[19:15] <enyc> l0llip0p: /join #ibmthinkpad
[19:16] <gnugr> wireless-regdb is about to land soon in Debian/testing
[19:16] <l0llip0p> but I'll try to download the image and make a live cd usb so I can test the environment because of your good advices ;)
[19:17] <enyc> l0llip0p: also x200's can have  coreboot installed  instead of lenovo-bios but thats' not for faint-hearted
[19:17] <enyc> l0llip0p: I'm quite sure upgrade x200 to 4gb ram can be done easily. you shouldn't be "worried"
[19:17] <enyc> l0llip0p: I would understand the 'wifi lock' in bios  berause of FCC requirements and all that
[19:17] <l0llip0p> enyc: I have look into it but unfortunately I don't have the courrage to install it yet. I need to have laptop because of my studies :/
[19:18] <gnugr> enyc: regulatory.db will be fixed soon
[19:18] <l0llip0p> enyc: I look into it
[19:18] <enyc> l0llip0p: /join #ibmthinkpad
[19:18] <enyc> gnugr: whats' that got todo with anything?
[19:18] <gnugr> with wifi's
[19:22] <enyc> gnugr: hrrm a known 18.04 bug in general?
[19:22] <enyc> gnugr: or something todo wiht l0llip0p's BIOS rejecting wifi adapter fun?
[19:22] <gnugr> kernel 4.15 has missing certificates for wireles-regdb
[19:22] <enyc> o dear ;p
[19:27] <gnugr> https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/linux/commit/d948b7a44de01b3e6cffa6ff8109c00fb0a1afd9
[19:27] <gnugr> enyc:  ^
[19:37] <enyc> gnugr: fun =)