[00:00] <JPSman> Just updated to 18.04 yesturday, and when I first start up (and even now using Xchat) I get a CPU hog from resolved and dnsmasq using %80 of my CPU and %100 of my "network"
[00:00] <JPSman> yeah its systemd-resolved and dnsmasq
[00:01] <JPSman> I kill -9 it, and then I can't resolv websites
[00:01] <JPSman> what can I do to stop this?
[00:06] <JPSman> testing..... is this thing on?
[00:07] <Kamilion> JPSman: yes. it's on.
[00:07] <pavlos> JPSman: maybe ... see answer voted with 8 in https://askubuntu.com/questions/909591/systemd-resolve-high-cpu-usage-after-update-to-17-04/968309#968309
[00:28] <mattfly> was anyone here able to hibernate on ubuntu 18.04 lts?
[00:37] <Moshe> How do I connect Clementine to Google Play Music? I don't see Google Play Music as an available Internet Provider in Clementine.
[00:42] <quidnunc> How do I create new login options. I don't see .desktop files in /etc anymore
[00:42] <quidnunc> ?
[00:45] <atlas_0x01> a
[00:47] <quidnunc> Another question. Am I stupid or is meld bugged when doing directory compare
[00:47] <guiverc> quidnunc, i know nothing about login options; but what are you after?   (I'm wondering if its related to the DM, so going back to lightdm maybe will help?)
[00:47] <quidnunc> guiverc: I want to use xmonad
[00:48] <quidnunc> window manager
[00:48] <guiverc> i can't help with xmonad sorry
[00:49] <quidnunc> guiverc: Thanks, but it's not an xmonad specific question.
[00:50] <quidnunc> Where is the setting/file that stores the option to select between Gnome and Gnome on Wayland in GDM?
[00:52] <guiverc> i don't know - i assume related to gdm/lightdm or greeter  (maybe https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GDM or https://help.gnome.org/admin/gdm/stable/configuration.html.en but I don't know
[00:52] <quidnunc> guiverc: no worries
[00:54] <Toadisattva> so I pulled a bit of a stupid. I set the permissions on the root / to only able to be viewed and access by owner and now I've locked myself out of the OS entirely it just won't boot, so my question is what do I need to do to change that permission via grub?
[00:55] <guiverc> Toadisattva, won't boot? or you can't login?  (to gui? and/or terminal?)
[00:56] <Toadisattva> it just loads up the splash screen and never goes any futher
[00:56] <Toadisattva> I think I can can get to grub
[00:57] <guiverc> I'd try switching to term (forgetting the gui), ie. ctrl+alt+f4 (or whatever you favorite number is)
[00:57] <Toadisattva> my question is what command I need to put in terminal to change taht permission? sudo su then what chmod 777 /
[00:58] <Toadisattva> ?
[00:58] <guiverc> if using term fails, then reboot & when at grub selecting <E> for edit, and add a " 1" (also remove quiet, splash so you can see any issues) so it boots to rescue/maintenance mode... and see if you can login there
[00:58] <Toadisattva> mm okay
[00:59] <devhen> is it possible to encrypt the root filesystem with the ubuntu 18.04 server installer?
[00:59] <devhen> i dont see the option anywhere
[00:59] <guiverc> I wouldn't put 777 - dangerous.   First if it were my system I'd look at what you did (ie. looking in `history` so you reverse only what you did).. but that's maybe just me
[01:00] <tomreyn> devhen: not with the 'live' one, no, use the classic server installer instead.
[01:00] <Toadisattva> okay I'll see if I can get in via grub first
[01:01] <devhen> tomreyn: thanks! where do i get that? i dont see it. https://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu-releases/18.04/
[01:02] <devhen> nevermind i think i found it here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/18.04/release/
[01:02] <guiverc> Toadisattva, if you used your own login, ~/.bash_history will contain your commands  (~ being shorthand for your /home/$USER/ directory)  fyi: 755 is the default for much of my / contents..
[01:02] <tomreyn> devhen: right, HEADER.html pointed there
[01:03] <devhen> thanks
[01:03] <DirtyCajun> PSA: For anyone who hasnt done the 18.04 upgrade that is going to and uses nginx+php: If you are using 7.0 sockets you will need to change them to 7.2 sockets. (20 minutes of confusion on my end till i figured it out)\
[01:04] <Toadisattva> I was trying to prevent a desktop user from being able to see the root filesystem so though the gui I changed the permissions to only allow the owner (root) to be able to view access and modify then upon rebooting it just never passes the splash screen
[01:04] <compdoc> do you remeber the correct permissions?
[01:06] <Toadisattva> I believe initially it was set to anyone can view only owner and group can access and only owner can modify
[01:06] <Exterminador> stupid question: my laptop only works (as in only display graphics on under Advanced options..., Ubuntu...(recovery mode), resume boot). but as expected I don't have video acceleration. is it possible to enable it?
[01:07] <Toadisattva> perhaps I can get into terminal through grub get root, then start x?
[01:07] <Toadisattva> then just fix it via the gui?
[01:07] <JPSman> systemd-resolved and dnsmasq is using %50 of my CPU, what gives?
[01:09] <guiverc> Toadisattva, 755 (7=read,write&execute, 5=read & execute) - but unless you understand permissions its best to stick to only changing files (directory permissions are needed to read at least so you can navigate around)
[01:09] <guiverc> did you add the '1' and boot - it should go to terminal & ask you to enter password?
[01:09] <Toadisattva> yeah that's all I need is to get in an give myself read permission again
[01:10] <guiverc> it'll get you into your system, but I'd not start GUI from there, just use commands, are you familiar with bash (shell)?
[01:10] <JPSman> Can anyone see the words that I am typing?
[01:10] <Toadisattva> I'm fairly familiar with it no pro but I can navigate around successfully
[01:11] <Toadisattva> would chown username:group / be sufficient to unlock the read access?
[01:12] <guiverc> your alternative is to boot a install-media-LIVE and mount your hdd, then you can use a gui, but not your username) - its an option if you prefer gui
[01:12] <Toadisattva> like that would change ownership to my user so I can just log in normaly from there and switch ti back to root once I'm in?
[01:12] <Toadisattva> oh that's a good idea
[01:13] <guiverc> if you use the 'live', don't refer to usernames, as you'll be running by whatever userid the live users (and its $UID which may not be the same as your own)
[01:14] <uhmax> Hiya!
[01:14] <guiverc> s/live users/live uses/
[01:14] <JPSman> Hi uhmax!
[01:14] <Toadisattva> yeah the chown thing was mean for logging in through grub
[01:14] <Toadisattva> assuming that will work
[01:15] <Toadisattva> I think you guys have pointed me the right direction, I'll come back and bother you more if I can't get it hehe
[01:22] <pepermuntjes> so i tried ubuntu 18.04
[01:23] <pepermuntjes> whats up with these retarded sounds? And the idiotic color scheme that ruins gnome? And the software center that offers snap and regular packages mixed with each other.
[01:24] <tgm4883> You know, I had a hunch you weren't going to have a support question
[01:25] <pepermuntjes> why did ubuntu added some weird side dock to ubuntu, that constantly changes colour? You can't say  you havent noticed that.
[01:26] <FastZ> side dock?
[01:27] <tgm4883> pepermuntjes: do you have a support question? Because subjective issues like these aren't really on topic for this channel
[01:29] <pepermuntjes> how to disable the ugly orange and all other ugly nasty ubuntu branding from gnome?
[01:29] <FastZ> install a different distro?
[01:30] <tgm4883> pepermuntjes: did you search settings for "Themes"? Or try changing your background?
[01:30] <pepermuntjes> i installed gnome tweak tools
[01:30] <tgm4883> FastZ: that's not really helpful
[01:30] <pepermuntjes> and tried removing the side dock
[01:31] <FastZ> i was being snide. i'll crawl back in my hole
[01:31] <pepermuntjes> i followed your suggestion
[01:34] <pepermuntjes> switched to fedora and have a vanilla gnome experience
[01:35] <roothorick> On one of my shiny new 18.04 systems, the password prompt for sudo takes an oddly long time to pop up. How do I TS this?
[01:35] <pepermuntjes> tell me one thing i can't do with fedora but could have done with ubuntu
[01:36] <tgm4883> pepermuntjes: nothing
[01:36] <Toadisattva> have an ungly sidebar?
[01:36] <Toadisattva> :P
[01:36] <Toadisattva> ugly*
[01:36] <tgm4883> Toadisattva: false. You can have an ugly sidebar on Fedora too
[01:36] <Toadisattva> touche!
[01:36] <pepermuntjes> roothorick, what does journalctl say?
[01:37] <tgm4883> All of this is wildly off topic though
[01:37] <roothorick> pepermuntjes: nothing out of the ordinary, just the usual "session opened" / "session closed" messages
[01:38] <pepermuntjes> roothorick, if you create a new user, does it also gives the same behaviour?
[01:38] <pepermuntjes> add the new user to the wheel group to have sudo work (usermod -aG wheel username)
[01:41] <roothorick> ...sometimes it does it, sometimes it doesn't. great.
[01:42] <pepermuntjes> any special in /var/log/audit/audit?
[01:42] <pepermuntjes> any special in /var/log/audit/audit.log
[01:43] <roothorick> . /var/log/audit/ doesn't exist...
[01:44] <pepermuntjes> systemctl status auditd
[01:45] <pepermuntjes> apt-get install auditd audispd-plugins
[01:46] <pepermuntjes> maybe its in /var/log/audit
[01:47] <tgm4883>  /var/log/auth.log maybe?
[01:47] <pepermuntjes> yeah
[01:48] <odroid_> hi?
[01:49] <pepermuntjes> hi odroid_
[01:49] <pepermuntjes> roothorick, did u find somethign?
[01:52] <roothorick> pepermuntjes: nope, sadly. I may have to live with it if it's intermittent
[01:52] <pepermuntjes> roothorick, did you play around with ldap maybe?
[01:52] <roothorick> no, fresh install, nothing fancy
[01:52] <roothorick> Ubuntu Server, fwiw
[01:53] <arun__> Hello
[01:54] <pepermuntjes> roothorick, what does cat /etc/nsswitch.conf | grep -e ^passwd -e ^group -e ^shadow
[01:54] <pepermuntjes> say?
[01:57] <arun__> Is there any way to set ethernet device name as interface name only(In my case enp0s26u1u4) in Bionic? I can do it in lubuntu and unity but when I try to do it in Ubuntu the apply button gets disabled
[01:57] <roothorick> passwd: compat systemd group: compat systemd shadow: compat
[01:59] <JMichaelX> getting all kinds of errors trying to install nvidia drivers
[01:59] <JMichaelX> https://pastebin.com/BtU8RQDg
[01:59] <JMichaelX> any suggestions?
[02:01] <pepermuntjes> roothorick, you could try replacing those 3 instances of the word compat with the word files
[02:01] <pepermuntjes> backup the nsswitch.conf file before doing any editing
[02:03] <pepermuntjes> ah
[02:03] <pepermuntjes> another possible sollution:
[02:04] <pepermuntjes> cat /etc/hosts
[02:05] <pepermuntjes> add to that file
[02:05] <arun__> 😥
[02:05] <pepermuntjes> the output of the command hostname
[02:05] <pepermuntjes> so if the output of the command hostname is server1337
[02:05] <leftist> which desktop environment is best for a tablet mode for a laptop 2 in 1?
[02:06] <leftist> i like mate personally but it doenst perform
[02:06] <pepermuntjes> add the line "127.0.0.1 server1337" to /etc/hosts
[02:06] <pepermuntjes> (found here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/322514/terminal-command-with-sudo-takes-a-long-time)
[02:09] <pepermuntjes> roothorick, problem solved? :D
[02:09] <pepermuntjes> leftist, gnome has large buttons
[02:12] <AlexPortable> how can i integrate firefox better into the theme of 18.04 ?
[02:12] <leftist> pepermuntjes i'll install it just for evaluation.
[02:12] <leftist> thanks
[02:14] <leftist> heck i liked the old interfaces like 5.x style with applications places and system options in panel :DD
[02:14] <leftist> what was it called wharty?
[02:14] <leftist> something like that
[02:27] <pepermuntjes> AlexPortable, you mean the 3 bars of dark/black gray?
[02:27] <pepermuntjes> in each firefox window?
[02:27] <AlexPortable> i mean the huge bar above my tabs
[02:27] <pepermuntjes> and the out of place orange highlights?
[02:28] <pepermuntjes> firefox versions 60 and above will have an option to disable the title bar
[02:29] <pepermuntjes> I'm currently playing with the feature on another distor
[02:29] <pepermuntjes> but it isnt perfect yet
[02:30] <pepermuntjes> with the title bar hided its harder to drag the window around
[02:31] <AlexPortable> that's fine
[02:32] <pepermuntjes> lemme show how it looks in fedora
[02:35] <pepermuntjes> https://i.imgur.com/w2Z9psO.jpg
[02:35] <pepermuntjes> how it looks
[02:37] <AlexPortable> not too bad
[02:38] <AlexPortable> is there a way I can allow an user to perform updates, while not giving him full sudo rights?
[02:40] <Rockwood> is would be possible to install two php in ubuntu 18.04 (like 7.1 and 7.2) ?
[02:41] <AlexPortable> pepermuntjes: where is that setting?
[02:42] <pepermuntjes> on fedora it's in the customize menu
[02:42] <pepermuntjes> but it hasnt hit ubuntu yet
[02:42] <pepermuntjes> maybe if you install the firefox nightly's
[02:43] <Rockwood> help me please
[02:44] <AlexPortable> ah yes thanks
[02:45] <Rockwood> pepermuntjes, can you please ?
[02:47] <pepermuntjes> Rockwood, what version do you currently have installed?
[02:47] <Rockwood> 7.2
[02:48] <Rockwood> php
[02:48] <Rockwood> pepermuntjes, https://kopy.io/MNLsI
[02:48] <pepermuntjes> and you want the older versions also?
[02:48] <Rockwood> yes
[02:48] <Rockwood> is it possible ?
[02:49] <leftyfb> Rockwood: I would run your older version of php against your site in an LXD container on your machine
[02:50] <pepermuntjes> according to tedadmin its possible
[02:50] <Rockwood> leftyfb, my is coded in old version so i want
[02:50] <leftyfb> Rockwood: right, run the code in a container against the old version of php
[02:50] <leftyfb> Rockwood: or the proper solution, update your code
[02:51] <pepermuntjes> https://tecadmin.net/install-multiple-php-version-apache-ubuntu/
[02:51] <leftyfb> Rockwood: those are your 2 best options
[02:51] <leftyfb> ^^^ that is not the best option
[02:52] <pepermuntjes> my gut feeling agrees with you leftyfb , but why isn't a good option?
[02:53] <Rockwood> so i need VM here ?
[02:54] <leftyfb> pepermuntjes: to be honest, the biggest reason, sticking the old code in a container isolates it from the rest of the system and makes it slightly more difficult to deal with. Encouraging the developer to get off their duff and keep their code updated and less likely to be exploited.
[02:54] <leftyfb> Rockwood: LXD container
[02:54] <evulish> hm. i upgraded from 17.10 to 18.04 and now my nginx reverse proxies have permission denied errors. i saw the config changed usernames for nginx but i don't know how that makes a difference
[02:55] <leftyfb> evulish: do the permission denied errors tell you what file/directory has the issue?
[02:55] <leftyfb> evulish: start there, see what permissions that file/directory has and compare it to whatever acl's the new nginx runs as
[02:56] <evulish> ohh.. yeah.. /var/lib/nginx/proxy/1/00/0000000001
[02:56] <atlas_0x01> hey
[02:56] <evulish> so check ownership on that
[02:56] <leftyfb> yes
[02:56] <evulish> derp. thanks!
[02:56] <leftyfb> well, back up a bit properly
[02:56] <atlas_0x01> Anyone good with r2?
[02:56] <leftyfb> evulish: more likely /var/lib/nginx/proxy and/or /var/lib/nginx
[02:56] <leftyfb> atlas_0x01: that is not your question
[02:57] <atlas_0x01> Tru
[02:57] <atlas_0x01> e
[02:58] <pepermuntjes> nginx configtest
[02:58] <pepermuntjes> and start nginx using the systemctl command?
[02:58] <atlas_0x01> It just seemed like a dick move to say "hey I need help wih a CTF plzzz"
[02:59] <leftyfb> atlas_0x01: watch the language please. Also, you are correct. This is not the place to get help wih a CTF. Kinda defeats the purpose if you're looking to someone else to help you with it.
[02:59] <Rockwood> leftyfb, is the right way to configure LXD container ? https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-and-use-lxd-on-ubuntu-16-04
[02:59] <leftyfb> Rockwood: sure
[02:59] <Rockwood> thanks
[03:00] <atlas_0x01> @leftyfb Sure thing. Any suggestions on where I could go to ask? I'm pretty stuck
[03:00] <leftyfb> atlas_0x01: no. From what I understand, you're supposed to figure that out on your own. Or you shouldn't be competing
[03:01] <pepermuntjes> atlas_0x01, what do you wanne know?
[03:01] <leftyfb> pepermuntjes: The subject is off topic. Take it elsewhere.
[03:01] <leftyfb> Rockwood: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/lxd.html
[03:03] <atlas_0x01> Elsewhere where
[03:03] <leftyfb> atlas_0x01: doesn't matter. Not here
[03:03] <leftyfb> atlas_0x01: good luck
[03:04] <Rockwood> leftyfb, sudo apt install lxd  after this i dont need to restarted
[03:04] <atlas_0x01> https://hack.chat/?CTF if anyone can help
[03:04] <leftyfb> Rockwood: no. But please read the instructions
[03:04] <pepermuntjes> lemme check
[03:04] <atlas_0x01> bye
[03:04] <leftyfb> atlas_0x01: please don't
[03:04] <Rockwood> bcz they are writing there abt 16.04
[03:05] <Rockwood> that why i asked
[03:05] <nacc> Rockwood: there is also #lxcontainers, fyi
[03:08] <pepermuntjes> what is ctf and r2?
[03:08] <leftyfb> Capture The Flag
[03:08] <leftyfb> pepermuntjes: pentesting games/tournament
[03:09] <pepermuntjes> ah
[03:09] <pepermuntjes> my main concert is having a good looking firefox
[03:09] <pepermuntjes> *concern
[03:10] <pepermuntjes> wish i could hack
[03:10] <leftyfb> pepermuntjes: please don't
[03:11] <pepermuntjes> please don't what?
[03:16] <Rockwood> leftyfb, https://kopy.io/8Jyvg
[03:16] <Rockwood> error occurs
[03:17] <leftyfb> Rockwood: while my suggestion is still valid, if you don't understand any of this but do understand the php code you wrote, don't you think it would be less effort on your part to just make your code compatible with more modern and secure versions of php?
[03:20] <pepermuntjes> its not his code
[03:21] <leftyfb> "<Rockwood> leftyfb, my is coded in old version so i want"
[03:23] <pepermuntjes> Rockwood, is it your own written code?
[03:24] <baba_> what is the current release, please?
[03:24] <pepermuntjes> baba_, 18.04
[03:27] <baba_> thank you......is it pretty good? is there a consensus?
[03:27] <leftyfb> baba_: try it out and decide for yourself. http://ubuntu.com
[03:28] <baba_> thank you...
[03:36] <evulish> it's running smoothly for me :)
[03:37] <baba_> i see.....thanks
[03:37] <evulish> the shell looks the same as it has for the last two decades or so whenever they added color terms :)
[03:39] <gogeta> evulish: ?
[03:39] <baba_> ummm.....all right.....
[03:41] <gogeta> baba_: well that is the best advice
[03:41] <baba_> i imagine you are referring to the idea of trying it directly....
[03:43] <gogeta> baba_: indeed personaly i hate gnome 3 but others sware by it
[03:43] <gogeta> baba_: i hated unity to and millions used it daily for a decade
[03:44] <gogeta> baba_: its all personal prefrence
[03:46] <baba_> I understand.....there are strong debates on that element....thanks for the input.
[03:47] <gogeta> baba_: i like kde plasma myself
[03:47] <gogeta> baba_: you literly can change everything
[03:48] <gogeta> baba_: my system looks like something from ghost in the shell lol
[03:48] <baba_> I will keep that in mind....I will have to look into the subject of DEs....I am afraid I have little knowledge of it.
[03:49] <gogeta> baba_: well having a de you like can make you brake your experance
[03:49] <Toadisattva> so many desktops
[03:49] <gogeta> indeed
[03:51] <Rockwood> pepermuntjes still you there ?
[03:51] <baba_> I'll have to try it out...once I figure out how to transfer everything over to a new installation....how I wish I had logged all my changes!
[03:52] <gogeta> https://i.imgur.com/vBUZGaS.png
[03:55] <gogeta> baba_: if you mean /home
[03:55] <baba_> i mean more than that........and thanks for the screencap, btw...
[03:56] <gogeta> bobe: if you made a /home partation you can cary that over from any install
[03:57] <baba_> i understand, but that was not in a separate partition....the install had zero organization.....
[03:58] <gogeta> baba_: yea that was me playing with the theming whent for a mix of classic and modenr looks
[03:58] <gogeta> baba_: but you could make behave like gnome 3  or even unity
[03:58] <gogeta> baba_: even windows 10
[03:59] <gogeta> baba_: even osx
[03:59] <pepermuntjes> baba_, i don't like it
[04:00] <gogeta> pepermuntjes: what plasma
[04:00] <pepermuntjes> ubuntu 18.04
[04:00] <baba_> that is interesting, thanks....
[04:00] <gogeta> pepermuntjes: ahh
[04:01] <gogeta> pepermuntjes: so didnt like gnome 3
[04:01] <pepermuntjes> gogeta, i think gnome3 is the touch friendliest Desktop interface?
[04:02] <gogeta> pepermuntjes: gnome 3 is 18.04 and 17.10
[04:03] <gogeta> pepermuntjes: meh you can set plasma for touch
[04:04] <baba_> my computer has a touch screen, and I never touch it
[04:04] <gogeta> baba_: pretty mutch lol
[04:04] <Kon-> The default Kubuntu theme is beautiful
[04:05] <gogeta> baba_: but you can set up screen corner actions a full screen launcher etc
[04:05] <gogeta> to be touch frendly
[04:05] <gogeta> Kon-:  meh https://i.imgur.com/vBUZGaS.png
[04:05] <Kon-> Yes, I saw your screenshot :)
[04:06] <Kon-> Black on blue is a little hard to read for me
[04:06] <gogeta> Kon-: its not black
[04:06] <Kon-> But the good thing about Plasma is that you can do almost anything
[04:06] <gogeta> Kon-: its neon blue and green
[04:06] <pepermuntjes> doesnt look to bad
[04:06] <pepermuntjes> low resolution?
[04:07] <gogeta> pepermuntjes: older laptop
[04:07] <Kon-> baba_: If you liked Unity, KDE can easily be made to work the same way. And the Ubuntu team has put a lot of energy into trying to replicate the Unity theme in GNOME
[04:08] <pepermuntjes> gogeta, nice, have an older laptop myself, accu is empy within 30 minutes, ordered a replacement today, wish me luck :D
[04:08] <gogeta> Kon-: but you can use any sort of coloring you loke
[04:08] <gogeta> like
[04:10] <baba_> thanks, Kon, gogeta..I will keep all of this in mind
[04:24] <SITM> I have added nopti to grub but I still see it enabled via:  dmesg -wH | grep 'Kernel/User page tables isolation'
[04:24] <SITM> is nopti no longer an option for Ubuntu 18.04?
[04:24] <physkets> Hi!
[04:25] <physkets> I attempted install of 18.04 alongside a Windows 10 installation,
[04:25] <gogeta> physkets: WONDERFULL!!!
[04:25] <physkets> but after the first reboot,
[04:25] <physkets> GRUB no longer has precedence
[04:25] <physkets> the windows boot loader takes over
[04:26] <gogeta> physkets: you must construct additional pylons
[04:26] <physkets> the only way to get to Ubuntu is to press F11 and
[04:26] <physkets> choose Ubutu after a few selections
[04:27] <physkets> gogeta: What do I need to do?
[04:27] <physkets> Also, Windows has become very slow to boot after I installed Ubuntu
[04:27] <physkets> Why might that be?
[04:28] <SITM> Does 18.04 not use Grub commandline parameters or has nopti been disabled completely in the kernel?
[04:28] <SITM> is this a ubuntu question or 4.15 kernel question?
[04:29] <gogeta> physkets: same steps just set linux as defult
[04:29] <gogeta> physkets: https://www.itsupportguides.com/knowledge-base/ubuntu/set-windows-10-default-ubuntu-grub-boot-loader/
[04:31] <a0sc0tt> I've had the opposite problem in the past. Grub becomes the default boot loader when I install ubuntu on another drive. It installs it on the Window efi boot partition. Anyone know how to keep the ubuntu installation from doing this?
[04:31] <gogeta> a0sc0tt: no it has to be there or you cant dual boot
[04:32] <gogeta> a0sc0tt: but you can set yhe defult os to load
[04:32] <a0sc0tt> The arrangement I wanted was just to use the system bios to choose the disk I want to boot from.
[04:33] <a0sc0tt> Once group is in the windows boot partition I cannot get it out.
[04:33] <gogeta> a0sc0tt: unfortanly you need a bot loader
[04:33] <gogeta> boot
[04:33] <baba_> we have too many bot loaders as it is :-)
[04:33] <gogeta> a0sc0tt: after you remove linux you can remove it
[04:34] <a0sc0tt> How?
[04:34] <gogeta> a0sc0tt: then restore the windows boot loader
[04:35] <gogeta> lol
[04:40] <gogeta> he left before i could tell him how to remove grub lol
[04:46] <Tegu> apparently, it's possible to add a Linux entry to the Windows bootloader, if that was what they wanted  https://www.iceflatline.com/2009/09/how-to-dual-boot-windows-7-and-linux-using-bcdedit/
[04:47] <axisys> upgraded to 18.04.. but apt shows broken due to textlive packages cannot be upgrade
[04:47] <axisys> upgraded*
[04:47] <axisys> http://dpaste.com/0P62J67.txt
[04:51] <axisys> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/texlive-base/+bug/1716830
[04:52] <SITM> Ok, there is a bug with Ubuntu 18.04 -- updating GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in /etc/default/ and running update-grub2 does not properly update /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[04:52] <SITM> You gotta be shitting me
[04:54] <axisys> http://dpaste.com/1PTQX87.txt
[04:55] <hiiggy> Want to get something clarified. When specifying multiple DNS servers, how is the system using that information? That is, when DNS needs to be queried, does it query the first specified server only (then the next if the previous fails), or does it query all listed servers simultaneously?
[05:03] <shadow98> Hey guys I have a tl-wn722n by t-link that is supposed to be the bomb dot com for linux.  Anyway it will not work on any live cd i have tried it will work fine when i boot into windows.
[05:06] <pavlos> hiiggy: the first option you mentioned
[05:06] <hiiggy> Cheers
[05:07] <pavlos> shadow98: this may help, https://askubuntu.com/questions/912498/tl-wn722n-is-not-recognized
[05:08] <physkets> gogeta: OKay, I solved the first issue by going to the BIOS/UEFI settings and changing boot order there
[05:08] <physkets> so now, grub loads, and I can choose between Ubuntu and Windows
[05:08] <physkets> But the second problem still remains
[05:08] <physkets> Windows is now very slow to boot
[05:09] <physkets> Any idea what might be causing that? - I tries turing off Fast Start/Boot in Windows, but that also doesn't help
[05:09] <Tegu> I wonder if it's due to lack of fast startup.. did you disable it before installing linux?
[05:09] <pavlos> SITM: run sudo update-grub after changing /e/d/grub
[05:09] <shadow98> pavlos: thanks i will review
[05:10] <physkets> Tegu: It was enabled, and it was slow then. I disabled it, but not difference in boot time
[05:10] <physkets> s/not/no
[05:11] <Tegu> but I've never messed with the fast boot settings or dualbooted on a modern (uefi and a new windows) system so I don't really know :/ I guess I should try that at some point
[05:12] <physkets> ah
[05:13] <physkets> the nice thing about UEFI systems is that the firmware is now aware of installed OSes
[05:13] <physkets> so boot managers can (and should) become irrelevant
[05:16] <SITM> pavlos -- I did tha
[05:16] <SITM> it's a confirmed bug in Ubuntu
[05:18] <SITM> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1569567
[05:44] <SuperLag> Any Ubuntu apps that can edit PDFs? For example, in this case, I'm just wanting to rotate individual pages of a PDF, so they're all in the same orientation. I'm using "Document Viewer" currently. If I attempt to rotate one page, it rotates everything.
[05:51] <fareast> working on my hidpi scaling on kde my desktop icons are now missing anyone else know how to remedy this?
[05:52] <fareast> I adjusted font size dpi ownersto a higher amount I am getting that is the cause of this
[06:08] <gho87> Hello?
[06:10] <Woodpecker> Hey all I am trying to get sound for a game I am running, and google is not coming through. Initially to get it running, I had to install 3 i386 libraries; libx11-6:i386  libglu1-mesa:i386 and libsm6:i386 -- It now runs, but without sound. I figure there must be an audio library under i386 that I am missing. Any ideas?
[06:24] <teamcoltra> Hey Ubuntu people! :) I installed one of my old hard drives into my computer and before wiping it I would like to just see what's on it. I know I can run mount -t ext2 /dev/sdc /mountpoint buuut I don't know what file system it is. Probably NTFS maybe fat32. What happens if I mount it as the wrong type? Or is there a quick way of seeing
[06:24] <corvette>  /server irc.all4y.net
[06:26] <ducasse> teamcoltra: just try mounting it without specifying fs type, and it should attempt to detect
[06:28] <danialbehzadi> Hi. Where should I report an upstream bug in gnome gtk-3 buttons?
[06:41] <mrwkwk00> hy
[06:43] <mrwkwk00> hy
[06:44] <mrwkwk00> sepi
[06:45] <clownfishhuman> hy
[06:45] <Norux> hi
[06:49] <MoL0ToV> i use ubuntu 16.04LTS why if i do: sudo do-release-upgrade says to me No new release found? ubuntu 18.04 is not available for upgrade?
[06:49] <ducasse> MoL0ToV: see the release notes
[06:50] <pundirsumit> It takes a month for a new release to be available for upgrade i guess.
[06:52] <XXCoder> I guess its better to test with fresh installs
[06:53] <XXCoder> upgrades mean system is already there and less likely person would be ok with breaking bugs
[07:11] <fuzzylaw> hey guys, how do I isolate workspaces in Ubuntu 18.04?
[07:17] <cbreak> hi, is do-release-upgrade supposed to upgrade me to 18.04 yet?
[07:17] <ducasse> cbreak: not yet, see the release notes
[07:18] <Mr_Pan> cbreak, -d to start update to 18.04
[07:18] <cbreak> alright, thanks :)
[07:29] <MoL0ToV> after some minutes of audio streaming the chrome audio become noise. is a bug?
[07:43] <stoian> Anyone using Ubuntu on Intel Atom? How is it working?
[07:54] <Skaface82> MoL0ToV: ive tried analog, digital coax, and bluetooth audio and have had no problems personally
[07:58] <Bu4nka> Hey everybody, I'm on Ubuntu 16.04 normal environment. I'm trying to update PlayonLinux but i get this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xwC2Hsg5sG/
[08:11] <guiverc> bu4nka have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu (authentication tab section) using key 74A941BA219EC810The
[08:13] <ducasse> guiverc: he left
[08:14] <guiverc> yeah I noticed .. i couldn't answer quicker as doing something... bu4nka's misses out
[08:15] <Mike_> Hi
[08:15] <Guest30452> Hi
[08:22] <kjellmann> Hi guys! Currently upgraded from 16.04 to 18.04 today and I'm getting some errors.. When I run sudo apt-get upgrade, I get the error "Script `/boot/grub/grub.cfg.new' contains no commands and will do nothing Syntax errors are detected in generated GRUB config file." and below it states that "Errors were encontered while processing grub-efi-amd64  grub-efi-amd64-signed  friendly-recovery.. Any idea how I can fix this issue?
[08:34] <MaximB> Hi, when I scroll up/down the main volume I get a notification box in the middle of the screen of the current volume meter, how can I disable this box?
[08:40] <Rumen> Hi there I have question about Skype under Bionic LTS /64. Everything works but the Skype icon doesn't uppear in the top bar (status bar). I saw some solutions for Unity, but here we use gnome and I was not sure if they are applicable. Any way to fix that issue?
[08:41] <gnisha> @kjellmann, I'm not familiar with that error, but I do know upgrading from 16.04 -> 18.04 is _not_ recommended and will most likely result in a broken system.
[08:48] <MoL0ToV> [ 5794.627822] perf interrupt took too long (2535 > 2500), lowering kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 50000 in dmesg what means?
[08:49] <Rumen> I did it without any problems instead missing some packages from 16.04. Why should be broken?
[08:51] <kjellmann> Gnisha: Followed this -> https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-upgrade-to-ubuntu-18-04-lts-bionic-beaver. I'm in the system now and everything else seem to be ok. Maybe I have to update my source list and change "xenial" to "bionic"?
[08:51] <Ben64> kjellmann: no
[08:54] <kjellmann> Ben64: ok.. Anyone know how I can fix "Syntax errors are detected in generated GRUB config file."? This is related to the "Errors were encountered while processing:  grub-efi-amd64  grub-efi-amd64-signed  friendly-recovery".
[08:55] <kjellmann> Here is the paste: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QhHwg7j8qt/
[09:13] <ArchaicLord> Ziping command is zip in its current directory and not in package dir sudo zip ./Check_S3_Permissions ./package/
[09:14] <guiverc> Rumen, 18.04 LTS technically is still a development release, and remains that way until 18.04.1 is released (though many many of us jumped too).  Did you have many PPAs or non-canonical sources added; I'd go thru your sources.list* looking for any at xenial; if you still want them, check they have bionic support & change xenial->bionic, otherwise disable them (comment out)
[09:15] <geirha> ArchaicLord: iirc, zip needs an option to make it recurse
[09:17] <ArchaicLord> yeah i was doing two things wrong
[09:17] <ArchaicLord> -r    and its      zip [location to store zip]  [location you want to zip]
[09:17] <ArchaicLord> i had that part wrong
[09:23] <blackhawk_> bonjour toutes et tous
[09:23] <blackhawk_> salut au op
[09:24] <geirha> !french | blackhawk_
[09:25] <Rumen> No, I upgraded from 16.04 to 18.04 beta. I use it to learn it and test it. I made back up copy of my personal files from /home and yesterday when it was relesed the last ver. here https://insights.ubuntu.com/2018/04/27/breeze-through-ubuntu-desktop-18-04-lts-bionic-beaver  I made clean instalation and back the /home data  ... so now I have a clean instalation without anything from the previous ver.
[09:27] <Rumen> the only 2 things I have as issues are Skype icon in the top bar and the program I use for subtitles - AEGISUB, but as far as there is no instalation for Bionic I will use the windows version for AEGISUB with virtual box under win7 so ... the issue is fixed I can say ... somehow
[09:31] <bluehelmet> Hi guys, is anyone else having problem with connecting HDMI monitor after upgrade to 18.04?? (https://askubuntu.com/questions/1030036/hdmi-not-connecting-18-04-lts)
[09:32] <kjellmann_> bluehelmet: I use 3 external monitors, 1 hdmi and 2 display ports, works good here
[09:32] <Gargravarr> not HDMI, but i just had trouble with a Thunderbolt-connected DisplayPort monitor
[09:33] <Mr_Pan> bluehelmet, i use hdmi and DP without problems
[09:33] <Gargravarr> GDM didn't seem to like switching the primary display to external (laptop) before logging in
[09:33] <guiverc> Rumen, just an fyi. if you restored all of $HOME (/home..), some config files found in .local, .config, ...etc from your prior release may still be there, even if no application binaries survived.
[09:34] <bluehelmet> kjellmann_, Mr_Pan it is weird, eveything is connected but in xrandr it shows up as not connected
[09:47] <EriC^^> hello all
[09:48] <Randolf> Hello EriC^^.
[09:48] <EriC^^> hey Randolf
[09:48] <trevorj> hello EriC^^ and Randolf
[09:48] <ducasse> morning EriC^^ - all going well?
[09:49] <EriC^^> hey trevorj ducasse
[09:49] <Randolf> Hello trevorj.
[09:49] <EriC^^> ducasse: yes thanks, yourself?
[09:49] <trevorj> swell day isn't it?
[09:49] <EriC^^> yup
[09:49] <Randolf> My head is swelling because I really should be sleeping right now.
[09:49] <trevorj> me too
[09:49] <Randolf> So, yes, it's a "swell day" indeed.
[09:50] <Randolf> trevorj:  ...and probably some significant percentage of IRC too.
[09:50] <ducasse> all good here, thanks EriC^^
[09:51] <ElGranCapitan> hi
[09:52] <EriC^^> hey ElGranCapitan
[09:53] <ElGranCapitan> Ubuntu isn't showing me the possibility to upgrade to 18.04 even though I've enabled the option to show LTS upgrades on update-manager
[09:53] <EriC^^> ElGranCapitan: are you on 16.04?
[09:53] <ElGranCapitan> EriC^^: Yes
[09:54] <ducasse> ElGranCapitan: see the release notes
[09:54] <ElGranCapitan> ducasse: Where are those notes?
[09:54] <EriC^^> ElGranCapitan: you won't be offered to upgrade til 18.04.1 gets released
[09:54] <ElGranCapitan> ah, cool
[09:54] <EriC^^> you can force it if you want to
[09:54] <ElGranCapitan> EriC^^: great, -1 task to do today
[09:55] <EriC^^> :D
[09:55] <ElGranCapitan> nah, waiting is always a good option
[09:55] <ElGranCapitan> :)
[09:55] <ElGranCapitan> ty
[09:55] <EriC^^> np
[09:55] <ducasse> ElGranCapitan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_16.04_LTS_or_17.10
[09:56] <guiverc> ElGranCapitan, expected your [18.04.1] offer to come on July 26, 2018 - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule
[09:56] <ElGranCapitan> ducasse, guiverc: Thanks!
[10:07] <Gargravarr> Randolf: IRC never sleeps
[10:10] <Gargravarr> so this morning, i started up my Bionic laptop on the bus, worked fine on the built-in screen. shut down, plugged the laptop into my desk monitor as my primary, started, GDM came up, logged in, and the screen went black
[10:11] <Gargravarr> syslog shows tonnes of these messages: Apr 30 10:10:00 M3520 /usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-x-session[2944]: message repeated 48 times: [ (EE) DLL07A9:01 044E:120B: Read error 9]
[10:11] <Gargravarr> googling 'Read error 9' comes up with Synaptics issues with GDM, although the logs explicitly state so, but i tried removing xserver-xorg-input-synaptics anyway. didn't help. rebooted, same problem
[10:12] <Gargravarr> however, if i log into the machine with the external display disconnected, i can log in normally and get the desktop up, and then plugging in the external at this point works correctly
[10:15] <Gargravarr> anyone seen this?
[10:16] <El_Polaco> Hi !!
[10:18] <sveinse> I had to revert back to 4.15.0-15 today when starting up my laptop in the dock. It hangs completely during booting on the current 4.15.0-20 if and only if I'm docked. This is a Lenovo P51 laptop with hybrid graphics
[10:19] <sveinse> I'm not sure when the -20 kernel was pushed, but the dock worked fine on friday
[10:21] <guiverc> Howdy El_Polaco, if you have a Ubuntu support question, please ask it (ideally in a single line, and be patient waiting for replies; most folks do other things too)
[10:25] <Gargravarr> apologies for demonstrating how NOT to do it, but the initial problem was all on one line :)
[10:26] <Gargravarr> sveinse: hmm, i'm running -20 and having graphics issues with an external screen too, wonder if it's related
[10:43] <Rumen> Gulverc, no, nothing restored as system files, just simple documents, songs, movies pictures , etc ....
[10:43] <sveinse> Gargravarr: yes, interesting
[10:44] <Rockwood> tomreyn, hello
[10:44] <Rockwood> how are you ?
[10:45] <sveinse> I had for the first time on 18.04 a fully functional laptop being on the move alternating between built-in screen and a dock with two external screens. Up until now, I've always had some problems
[10:49] <Tegu> nice. windows 10 needs a logout every time a dock (or at least another screen) is connected or disconnected
[10:49] <Tegu> otherwise the screen is just blurry
[10:51] <guiverc> Rumen, if you restored your whole user directory, it contains .config/, .local/share/ & other hidden (in that . as first name hides it from simple views) directories which contain user configs for apps etc, some of which may have setup as per prior version of Ubuntu. I've had instances before where odd apps don't cope well with changes, and I exclude those apps in my restore process (usually with big changes, or big
[10:51] <guiverc> version changes) - it was a FYI purposes I said it
[10:51] <longword> Odd issue with the workspace switcher on 18.04. It only affects my left display. No workspaces on my right. Using xorg and gnome.
[10:55] <sveinse> longword: I believe that's a gnome setting
[10:55] <ss942> https://pastebin.com/a9UiqrsN
[10:55] <ss942> why can't I start erpclock.service?
[10:56] <longword> This is a machine that's just taken the upgrade from 16.04; worked fine before. Can't spot anything in system settings and gnome-tweak-tool doesn't seem to be available from the default repositories
[10:56] <Gargravarr> ss942: what happens when you try to start it?
[10:56] <ss942> Job for erpclock.service failed because a fatal signal was delivered causing the control process to dump core. See "systemctl status erpclock.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
[10:56] <sveinse> longword: Install gnome-tweaks. There you'll find under "Workspaces" a setting "Workspaces span displays"
[10:57] <Rockwood> by screen print is not save image after upgrade into 18.04
[10:57] <Rockwood> ?
[10:58] <Gargravarr> ss942: it might not like the binary being in your home folder, systemd services tend to be system-wide (could be wrong about this though)
[10:58] <brainwash> ss942: what is the output of the first command?
[10:58] <guiverc> longword, gnome-tweak-tool is in universe (https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gnome-tweak-tool) have you it enabled?
[10:59] <longword> Looks like GNOME Tweaks is exactly what I need
[10:59] <guiverc> or grab https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gnome-tweaks  (renamed I think now)
[10:59] <guiverc> yep
[10:59] <longword> Yup, spot on. Thanks all.
[11:00] <sveinse> I suddenly became curious what the diffrences between gnome-tweak-tool and gnome-tweaks are
[11:00] <ss942> brainwash: https://pastebin.com/ebGkf2rD
[11:00] <longword> There's a tickbox in there that defaults to workspaces on the primary display only
[11:03] <brainwash> ss942: and this only happens when running as service? did you try to start ERPClock manually from a terminal window?
[11:03] <brainwash> ss942: sudo /home/krystian/zegar/ERPClock/build/qt5/release/ERPClock --start
[11:03] <paddy> if I install a program like okular from the software centre where is it located? I want to make all pdfs open in okular from firefox
[11:04] <Gargravarr> paddy: generally programs install to /usr/bin but this can vary
[11:04] <Gargravarr> the best option is to open a terminal and type 'whereis okular'. it will give you the full path
[11:04] <pepermuntjes> with ubuntu you never know
[11:04] <pepermuntjes> it could be a snap pack
[11:04] <pepermuntjes> or a regular deb
[11:04] <paddy> whereis! thank you
[11:04] <paddy> so handy
[11:05] <ss942> brainwash: yes this happens only when running as service
[11:05] <Gargravarr> pepermuntjes: as best i know, Software Center doesn't install snaps
[11:05] <paddy> pepermuntjes thank you!
[11:05] <ss942> and yes I tried to start it manually
[11:05] <pepermuntjes> Gargravarr, yes it does :(
[11:06] <Gargravarr> pepermuntjes: oh. that's going to be fun. fortunately just about everyone here runs 'apt-get install' to install stuff
[11:06] <jink> Goed punt, ik neem nog 'n pepermuntje. (Y)
[11:07] <brainwash> ss942: remove the ExecStop= line
[11:07] <Gargravarr> !nl | jink
[11:07] <jink> Gargravarr: I know. <3
[11:08] <brainwash> ss942: it's possible that this line is run immediately after ExecStart= due to Type=oneshot
[11:08] <Gargravarr> jink: fair enough :)
[11:09] <Rumen> Gulverc when I change versions I don't include folders    .***  .... just main folders with personal files. Without the system files, configurations etc ....
[11:09] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:09] <Gargravarr> greetings BluesKaj
[11:09] <BluesKaj> Hi Gargravarr
[11:15] <sveinse> I had to revert to kernel -15 to get multiple desktops, and I'm trying to run virtualbox. However, I now get "Kernel driver not installed" (vboxdrv), yet I've run dpkg-reconfigure virtualbox-dkms and seen that it's building the kernel module for -15. What can I do next?
[11:16] <Gargravarr> sveinse: do you use UEFI with Secure Boot?
[11:16] <sveinse> Is secureboot and tainted kernel a part of this? Or perhaps the virtualbox drivers doesn't taint the kernel?
[11:16] <Gargravarr> sveinse: from experience, VBox requires kernel modules and Secure Boot requires the kernel modules to be signed too
[11:17] <sveinse> Gargravarr: yes, grub wanted to turn it on again, so I did.
[11:17] <sveinse> But I had vbox running on -20 after secureboot was turned on again
[11:17] <sveinse> Just not now on -15
[11:17] <Gargravarr> hmm, not sure then. i haven't had good experiences with signed kernel modules and Secure Boot
[11:18] <paddy> I think this might be a kde issue because a few applications are doing this: I have set okular as my default pdf reader (in file association and in firefox) when I click the downloads tray in firefox it will open it in calibre ebook reader. Using skype links will open chromium even though firefox is the default. and a couple of odd things, should I log a big?
[11:18] <sveinse> Gargravarr: I'm having tainted kernel anyways since I'm dependent on nvidia drivers
[11:18] <Gargravarr> sveinse: recommended one guy here to give up with VBox and switch to KVM instead
[11:20] <sveinse> Gargravarr: Yeah, I don't have any special reasons why I'd need VBox. is there a simple GUI front-end for that? So I that I can get going easily and then dive into details when I'm more confident with it?
[11:22] <sveinse> Gargravarr: I found a guide for ubuntu on the web
[11:23] <Gargravarr> sveinse: virt-manager is my go-to. very simple VBox-like with a wizard to create VMs
[11:26] <AlexPortable> How can I hide an user from the login screen?
[11:28] <Gargravarr> AlexPortable: https://askubuntu.com/questions/2471/how-to-hide-users-from-the-gdm-login-screen
[11:33] <AlexPortable> thanks
[11:35] <paddy> a few applications are doing this: I have set okular as my default pdf reader (in file association and in firefox) when I click the downloads tray in firefox it will open it in calibre ebook reader. Using skype links will open chromium even though firefox is the default. and a couple of odd things, should I log a big?
[11:38] <Gargravarr> paddy: are you using the default KDE file manager?
[11:39] <paddy> yes
[11:39] <paddy> oh
[11:39] <paddy> dolphin
[11:40] <luser23> 18.04 ... netbeans (/usr/bin/netbeans from package netbeans) does not come up after a splash screen.
[11:40] <PsychoBoB> guys
[11:40] <PsychoBoB> why my ubuntu dont' show other monitor?
[11:41] <AlexPortable> is there a way I can allow an user to perform updates, while not giving him full sudo rights?
[11:41] <cfhowlett> AlexPortable, nope.
[11:42] <AlexPortable> hm that's bad
[11:42] <_KaszpiR_> AlexPortable see https://wiki.debian.org/aptdaemon or very limited sudo permissions
[11:42] <AlexPortable> which is easier _KaszpiR_ ?
[11:42] <_KaszpiR_> aptdeamon
[11:43] <_KaszpiR_> user can just send command to install package and it will be queued for execution by the system
[11:43] <dosshell> I'm installing Ubuntu Server 1804, and wanted to setup softwareRaid following: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/advanced-installation.html
[11:43] <PsychoBoB> i need that my ubuntu knows my other monitor
[11:44] <dosshell> But the text does not match the installation and no "physical volume for RAID" option exists for me
[11:44] <dosshell> Has anyone tried 1804 with software Raid?
[11:44] <loru> Hello everyone! I'm using ubuntu 18.04 and I edited /etc/ssh/sshd_config to have "permitrootlogin yes" but still:
[11:44] <loru> Warning: Permanently added '[127.0.0.1]:58211' (ECDSA) to the list of known hosts.
[11:44] <loru> root@127.0.0.1: Permission denied (publickey).
[11:45] <loru> It is only for my local network so I don't really mind but it doesn't work, same config on 16.04 works
[11:45] <EriC^^> loru: can you pastebin your whole sshd_config?
[11:46] <_ruben_> loru: did you restart the ssh daemon after editing the file?
[11:46] <EriC^^> loru: nevermind, maybe the keys are off, try ssh -vvv user@host
[11:47] <loru> EriC^^: hi, only the port and the permitrootlogin has been changed, the rest is commented, x11forwarding no
[11:47] <loru> EriC^^: I should pastebin the whole ssh -vvv?
[11:47] <loru> _ruben_: yes :)
[11:48] <webmind> loru: have you checked your auth log ?
[11:48] <loru> webmind: I created a normal user and I'm having the same issue
[11:49] <webmind> what does it say in the log?
[11:49] <EriC^^> loru: yes, ssh -vvv will show more
[11:49] <loru> sorry guys
[11:49] <loru> "passwordauthentication no" -> yes
[11:49] <loru> fixed
[11:50] <AlexPortable> _KaszpiR_: does that integrate good with the update manager?
[11:50] <loru> so dumb..
[11:50] <webmind> loru: :)
[11:50] <_KaszpiR_> AlexPortable I don't remember
[11:50] <_KaszpiR_> it should
[11:50] <tigefa> why this happening after "sudo apt-get update" https://git.io/vpRLm please check :)
[11:52] <loru> dosshell: why the question
[11:52] <cornel> hello
[11:52] <EriC^^> tigefa: sudo apt-get remove appstream
[11:53] <cornel> what is the difference betweeen the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of ubuntu budgie (aside forom the ovbvious different build target)
[11:53] <cornel> ?
[11:53] <loru> cornel: there should be none?
[11:53] <cfhowlett> cornel, that IS the difference
[11:54] <loru> thank you webmind & EriC^^ & _ruben_
[11:54] <loru> have a nice day
[11:55] <tigefa> EriC^^: is that package problem? or my laptop can handle xubuntu 16.04 amd64
[11:55] <cornel> loru, cfhowlett , thank you. I wonder why then they recommend the 32-bit version for lower resources systems, unless they don't know that the 32-bit version of linux is a second-class citizen, like in less maintained/cared for
[11:55] <cfhowlett> cornel, "they"?
[11:56] <cfhowlett> and 32bit is a dying platform.
[11:56] <dosshell> loru: I guess you joined between my messages. I'm trying to install Ubuntu Server 1804 with a software raid, but the installation instructions, https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/advanced-installation.html, are not correct (outdated?) and i can not find anything related to softwareRaid in the installation.
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> cornel: if your hardware support 64bit, install a 64bit ubuntu version
[11:56] <cornel> cfhowlett, https://ubuntubudgie.org/downloads
[11:57] <cornel> lotuspsychje, that is the plan, thank you
[11:58] <cornel> i would rephrase those instructions: "if your system can not run 64-bit apps, then choose the 32bit version"
[11:59] <Jakdaw> Anyone else have troubles with the 'keyboard-configuration' package whilst upgrading to bionic? Getting: ckbcomp: Can not find file "symbols/uk" in any known directory
[11:59] <Jakdaw> ... which is causing it to fail to configure the package
[12:01] <tomreyn> dosshell: the default server installer was recently changed to be the 'live' ("subiquity") installer. a bad decision IMO, since this one does not support many of the most common server installaiton use cases.
[12:01] <cornel> what is the lightest ubuntu desktop in terms of RAM/CPU/I/O?
[12:01] <tomreyn> dosshell: the old style installer, which i think the manual you are following refers to, and which supports RAID and LVM and FDE and manual partitioning in egneral, is still available.
[12:02] <lotuspsychje> cornel: lightest depends, but lubuntu & xubuntu will work
[12:02] <tomreyn> dosshell: ...and a link to it can be found from the HTML page offering the 'live' download
[12:02] <cornel> i was thinking xubuntu. thank you lotus
[12:02] <Tegu> too bad the latest xfce release is several years old (from 2015)
[12:02] <dosshell> tomreyn: Very helpful!
[12:02] <cornel> budgie is significantly heavier?
[12:03] <cornel> lotuspsychje, ^^
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> cornel: budgie is based on gnome, so yes xubuntu & lubuntu should be lighter
[12:03] <cornel> ok
[12:03] <tomreyn> dosshell: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/server states: "This release uses our new installer, Subiquity. If you require advanced networking and storage features, such as RAID and LVM, please use the traditional installer found on the alternative downloads page."
[12:03] <cornel> lotuspsychje, i'll start with budgie and then feel better with one of the others :)
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> cornel: but that doesnt mean, you can tweak budgie lighter
[12:04] <dosshell> tomreyn: Thank you!
[12:05] <lapaga> cornel, ubuntu mate is pretty light
[12:09] <de-facto> Is it a known problem that vaapi is broken in bionic? I could not play videos in totem (just some weird colored distorted video) unless i uninstalled gstreamer vaapi..
[12:09] <Tin_man> cornel, this article might help with a decision.  >>https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/best-lean-linux-desktop-environment-lxde-vs-xfce-vs-mate/
[12:11] <cornel> lapaga, thank you, i'm trying to distance myself from gnome as much as possible. but since there's no lxqt official falvour, i'm testing budgie for now. then ican always switch to xfce, which is known to be light
[12:11] <cornel> Tin_man, thank you, i'm reading it now
[12:11] <Tin_man> np
[12:13] <de-facto> imho from those three mate offers the most "complete" DE, since it inherited its tools from gnome 2.
[12:15] <Gargravarr> tomreyn: i'll second that O.o a server installer without a RAID option? does not compute
[12:16] <cornel> ok, reboot time
[12:16] <cornel> thank you for help
[12:16] <de-facto> i tried all three on raspbian and ended up on MATE since it would require the least amount of manual additions for a completely functioning DE
[12:16] <Gargravarr> godspeed cornel o7
[12:18] <de-facto> Has anyone here managed to get VAAPI working on AMD Bonaire amdgpu/radeon?
[12:19] <de-facto> it looks like it "should work" yet the video is heavily color distorted
[12:19] <Gargravarr> de-facto: tried using VLC player? if it doesn't work out of the box, it might give you more debug info
[12:20] <DarkAceZ> what does the File Sharing toggle button in Settings do?
[12:20] <de-facto> Gargravarr, not yet, i was just using totem (gstreamer vaapi)
[12:20] <DarkAceZ> I remember before when I ticked it, it gave me a popup to authenticate, but it's not doing that anymore and it automatically switches back to off when I switch tabs
[12:21] <DarkAceZ> so I can't toggle on "Sharing"
[12:21] <DarkAceZ> is there a terminal alternative?
[12:22] <DarkAceZ> this is gnome-control-center, maybe I should ask #gnome
[12:22] <de-facto> wow the vlc UI looks super ugly :(. something about QT is weird on bionic
[12:23] <de-facto> it is "Using G3DVL VDPAU Driver Shared Library version 1.0 for hardware decoding" and it works though
[12:24] <de-facto> so the standard video playback with which Ubuntu ships (Totem) seems to be broken
[12:24] <Gargravarr> something wrong with Totem then
[12:24] <de-facto> unisntalling gstreamer vaapi makes it work
[12:24] <jpleau> That's stange. I locked my computer last night, and this morning I couldn't login, it's as if something was pressing enter every 1 second, no way to enter password. Restarted GDM, now in a login loop..
[12:24] <Gargravarr> always good to try a different approach as a diagnostic step :)
[12:25] <Gargravarr> jpleau: can you switch to a TTY? Ctrl+Alt+F1 (Ctrl+Alt+F7 to get back)
[12:26] <jpleau> Gargravarr: I switched to a tty to restart gdm (It was F2, X seems to be running on 1 and not 7 here.. 18.04)
[12:26] <de-facto> Gargravarr, yet when breaking the standard setup by uninstalling gstreamer1.0-vaapi it wont use any hw accel, although it prooved to work with vlc. so i guess the default setup of Bionic is broken in that respect
[12:26] <Gargravarr> oh right, i just re-read that bit :)
[12:26] <jpleau> Not at home at the moment was just asking if someone ahd that happen before
[12:26] <Gargravarr> jpleau: yeah, i noticed that too, not consistent which TTY it runs on
[12:27] <Gargravarr> de-facto: and this is why we all love Linux :)
[12:28] <de-facto> yes, its possible to debug and fix it, yet im not really sure how to get the rendering pipeline of gstreamer out of totem for debugging
[12:36] <schang> Hi
[12:37] <schang> I just tried to do-release-upgrade -d on a 16.04 in an attempt to upgrade to 18.04
[12:37] <schang> I though -d was dry run but apprently it has started installing stuffs
[12:37] <Gargravarr> schang: read the man-pages before trusting flags
[12:37] <Gargravarr> -d for do-release-upgrade is for development releases
[12:37] <Gargravarr> ergo, it's done the full thing
[12:38] <cfhowlett> schang, man do-release-upgrade is explicit and makes good reading
[12:38] <schang> alright so what's done is done
[12:38] <Gargravarr> schang: the upgrade
[12:38] <hggdh> welcome to 18.04...
[12:38] <Gargravarr> oh yes, misread
[12:38] <Gargravarr> time to cross your fingers and reboot :)
[12:38] <kostkon> schang, was it successful
[12:38] <schang> no it was not
[12:39] <Gargravarr> ah, not time then
[12:39] <Gargravarr> where did it error out?
[12:39] <schang> ended with While scanning your repository information no entry about artful
[12:39] <cornel> back
[12:39] <cornel> budgie is ok for now
[12:39] <cfhowlett> schang, clean install your preferred version
[12:40] <cornel> i find it odd that the budgie welcome says ability to play mp3 was an extra becasue of patents
[12:40] <schang> cfhowlett so what you're saying is that my install is "fucked" and I shall reinstall ?
[12:40] <cfhowlett> cornel, that has always been the case
[12:40] <cornel> i thought mp3 patents have recently expired
[12:40] <cfhowlett> schang, no I didn't say that as we don't permit profanity in this channel.  I would say it is borked and you should consider a clean install
[12:40] <Gargravarr> schang: more or less. your system is in an unsteady state that would be difficult (not impossible, but painful) to correct manually
[12:41] <Gargravarr> have you backed up your vital data from this system?
[12:41] <cfhowlett> cornel, true quite recently
[12:41] <cornel> ok
[12:41] <schang> Gargravarr yes I got a backup of everything
[12:41] <cornel> thought i was wrong :)
[12:41] <kostkon> cornel, and the fluendo codec was legal even before the patent expiration. i don't know if they install that codec but im just saying
[12:41] <niko1990> hello everyone :)
[12:42] <Gargravarr> schang: that's better than most people :) it will be much less painful to just reinstall, and then upgrade when you are ready
[12:42] <lotuspsychje> welcome niko1990 how can we help you?
[12:43] <rakhanreturns> Hello All! I am running 17.10 but with the 4.16 kernel. I would like to know; if I upgrade to 18.04 LTS then will my kernel be reverted? I need to know because my graphics card isn't supported natively under 4.15 (I think - it's a Vega 64).
[12:43] <niko1990> I just installed Ubuntu 18.04 fresh on my machine, everything runs perfect, the only thing is: I wanted to save some usernames & passwords in firefox, and the typical "do you want to save..." box shows up, but I can't click the Save button, and the box disappears very fast again... Does someone else have this problems too?
[12:44] <Guest41> anyone else having install issues with 18.04?
[12:44] <Gargravarr> Guest41: can you be more specific about your problem?
[12:44] <cornel> rakhanreturns, i expect newer kernel will be left alone but don't take my word for it, i'm an ubuntu newbie
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox bionic | niko1990 on this versioN
[12:45] <Guest41> I have an Acer Spin 5 that works great with Windows and ubuntu 16, but not 17 or 18, it boots to usb fine and installs okay, but when it boots it either says 'no boot device' when secure boot is on, when i turn it off it flashes a message on the acer boot screen and reboots
[12:46] <rakhanreturns> cornel: me too. been a long-time Windows user.
[12:46] <rakhanreturns> Guest41: Have you tried disabling Secure Boot?
[12:46] <Guest41> yes, that's when it boot loops
[12:47] <cornel> Guest41, i expect that if you install with EFI disabled, will boot with EFI disabled
[12:47] <rakhanreturns> Guest41: Hmm. I'm not sure that it'll help, but have you tried installing it after disabling Secure Boot?
[12:47] <Gargravarr> Guest41: iirc, some machines use 32-bit UEFI despite being a 64-bit system, which causes all manner of problems getting an OS to install
[12:47] <Guest41> cornel, you cant disable efi on tis
[12:47] <Guest41> *This
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> rakhanreturns: its possible on upgrades packages are no longer needed, so in your case try a liveusb and install 18.04 next 17.10 so you still can switch?
[12:48] <Rockwood> after upgrade 16.04 to 18.04 my phpmyadmin theme is not showing
[12:48] <Gargravarr> you could try to switch it back to... oh, it's one of THOSE machines...
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> Rockwood: its not reccomended to upgrade lts to lts already
[12:48] <Gargravarr> Rockwood: please message the PHPMyAdmin devs for support with it
[12:48] <niko1990> lotuspsychje: I know what version i have installed, but my question was: does anyone else have the same problems (that the "do you wanna save this username and password" box shows up just for less than a second, and you can't click the save button?
[12:48] <rakhanreturns> lotuspsychje: Hmm... Good advice, but I think I'll probably just stick with 17.10 until I'm sure my card is supported.
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> Rockwood: we advise to wait until 18.04.1 comes out
[12:49] <rakhanreturns> niko1990: Maybe it's an issue with Wayland? Have you tried logging in with Xorg?
[12:49] <Rockwood> that is dead room i am struggling from yesterday
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> rakhanreturns: well, if your 18.04 doesnt work, you still can install 4.16 from recoverymode rootshell right
[12:49] <cronolio> hello. where i can ask why was devoiced on ubuntu-ru ?
[12:49] <cronolio> *why I was
[12:50] <jollyjester> hello
[12:50] <D1NG_D4NG> HELLO
[12:50] <Rockwood> http://dpaste.com/0M3GV13
[12:50] <kostkon> cronolio, better ask in that channel
[12:50] <rakhanreturns> lotuspsychje: While I'm sure you're procedurally correct, I don't think I possess the technical ability. I've really never had to do all this before since I came from Windows.
[12:50] <Guest41> ill try to install with secure boot primarily disabled
[12:50] <D1NG_D4NG> hei
[12:50] <Gargravarr> Rockwood: you could try emailing their mailing list
[12:50] <lotuspsychje> !mainline | rakhanreturns not very hard to install kernel
[12:51] <D1NG_D4NG> can i have a friend?
[12:51] <jollyjester> yes
[12:51] <jollyjester> (no)
[12:51] <jollyjester> maybe
[12:51] <D1NG_D4NG> please):
[12:51]  * Gargravarr repeats the question
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> D1NG_D4NG: please only ubuntu support here
[12:51] <D1NG_D4NG> hei
[12:52] <Gargravarr> Guest41: you're sure this machine can't drop from UEFI to Legacy mode?
[12:52] <rakhanreturns> ubottu: Thanks. I've already followed those instructions to get 4.16 on my system, but I've never done it in recovery mode so I don't know what's involved if there are any differences at all. I suppose I can research though. :)
[12:52] <rakhanreturns> lotuspsychje: Thanks. I've already followed those instructions to get 4.16 on my system, but I've never done it in recovery mode so I don't know what's involved if there are any differences at all. I suppose I can research though. :)
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> rakhanreturns: recoverymode is usefull, when cant enter your system anymore due to issues
[12:52] <rakhanreturns> lotuspsychje: So it's akin to Safe Mode?
[12:53] <lotuspsychje> rakhanreturns: its not really like safe mode as in windows no
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> rakhanreturns: it enters your system with a bunch of tools, like fix broken packages, rootshell,etc
[12:54] <rakhanreturns> lotuspsychje: Well, I'll try firing up Recovery Mode in grub just to see what it's like
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> rakhanreturns: yes please do, its pretty handy
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> rakhanreturns: another way of solving your issue, is to file a new !bug for 4.15 kernel and your graphics card
[12:55] <rakhanreturns> niko1990: As for your issue, I know that Wayland caused problems for me with launching gufw (and one other program I currently fail to recall).
[12:56] <en1gma> you know there is something majorly wrong when there is a Major LTS release and 72hrs there are no updates through apt
[12:56] <en1gma> 72hrs later*
[12:56] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | en1gma not here please
[12:57] <rakhanreturns> lotuspsychje: Thanks for the suggestion. I tried searching online again and Phoronix says that 4.15 does support my card so I probably don't need to worry. I'll keep in mind your advice though.
[12:58] <en1gma> thats not offtopic NICE TRY!. its directly LTS releated
[12:58] <Gargravarr> rakhanreturns: you can try booting the live image first to be sure
[12:58] <en1gma> where are our apt updates?
[12:58] <cfhowlett> en1gma, do you have a support request?
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> rakhanreturns: in that case, fire up a 18.04 liveusb, and test yourself?
[12:58] <en1gma> im talking about ubuntu
[12:58] <en1gma> ubuntu 18.04 LTS
[12:59] <cfhowlett> this is the SUPPORT channel.  non-support discussion is hosted in the other channels.
[12:59] <ducasse> en1gma: it is offtopic as it's not a support question
[12:59] <en1gma> i been coming here for ... every since ubuntu was made
[12:59] <en1gma> i know how this channel works
[12:59] <rakhanreturns> lotuspsychje: All right, good idea. I'll check it out. Okay, problem solved! I'll let you all get back to your regularly scheduled programming. :D
[13:00] <en1gma> ok what channel do i goto ?
[13:00] <en1gma> found it
[13:01] <schang> regarding my OS on which I ran do-release-upgrade ..... it is still showing xenial in /etc/apt/source.list and 18.04 in /etc/issue so, although I have very little hope that it did not switch do dev/unstable how would I know for sure ?
[13:01] <Gargravarr> schang: 'dev' is technically 18.04 until 18.10 gets going
[13:01] <lvrp16> do you guys know how to set wayland as default for all users?
[13:02] <lvrp16> make gdm3 pick wayland by default instead of x11?
[13:02] <schang> Gargravarr so 16.04 remains the latest stable LTS right ?
[13:02] <Gargravarr> schang: technically yes. LTS holds off offering upgrades until 18.04.1
[13:03] <Gargravarr> early adopters are still finding issues and testing the upgrade process
[13:03] <cfhowlett> schang, but of course you can force the issue with -d as now know
[13:04] <blaaa> I am struggeling getting Ubuntu 18.04 to connect oto the network at start.
[13:04] <blaaa> after booting, the network interfaces are down
[13:04] <blaaa> they go up when I run 'netplan apply'
[13:05] <Gargravarr> schang: and next time you want to dry-run something, use --dry-run instead of -d :) at least that'll blow up when used on something that doesn't support it
[13:05] <BluesKaj> blaaa, not using NM?
[13:05] <tomreyn> you have 16.04 (xenial) sources (only?) in /etc/apt/source.list but "18.04" in /etc/issue? that's strange, and should not happen IMO.
[13:05] <tomreyn> schang: ^
[13:05] <Gargravarr> tomreyn: it also threw an error about Artful, which seems a bit odd
[13:05] <cfhowlett> pretty much indicates an unstable situation
[13:06] <blaaa> BluesKaj: no, I use the default setup of an ubuntu server 18.04 install. NM might work, it ddoes/did on other distros
[13:07] <blaaa> BluesKaj, I have found one mention of a similar issue: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1019146/netplan-does-not-apply-at-startup
[13:08] <tomreyn> Gargravarr: i see, I had missed the previous chat until now.
[13:08] <BluesKaj> blaaa, NM=network-manager ...why use netplan , it's clunky , install ifupdown and set your ethernet name in the interfaces file. ifconfig or ip add will display the ethernet name.
[13:09] <Gargravarr> tomreyn: np, i figured you might not have spotted that detail. can't imagine where Artful factors into the upgrade process
[13:10] <blaaa> BluesKaj, I know NM is network manager, I wanted to use natplan, as it appears to be the default choice in 18.04?
[13:11] <blaaa> systemd-networkd works fine on that machine, when running arch
[13:11] <BluesKaj> really ? on the server perhaps, but afaik not on standard ubuntus
[13:12] <BluesKaj> netplan that is
[13:12] <Gargravarr> BluesKaj: >default setup of an ubuntu server 18.04 install
[13:13] <BluesKaj> bad choice Gargravarr, netplan is clunky in my experience
[13:13] <Gargravarr> never experienced it, but at least it's not NM default on a server distro
[13:13] <cornel> hmmm, video problems
[13:14] <BluesKaj> think the interfaces file setting with ifupdown is more effective and less buggy
[13:15] <cornel> 'framed' full screen youtube videos in chromium, and also text scrolling in firefox
[13:15] <Gargravarr> cornel: additional drivers installed?
[13:16] <cornel> i don't know
[13:16] <cornel> i have installed thoe addiotionally patent-ecumbered things proposed by the budgie welcome
[13:16] <cornel> but i don't know what it consists of
[13:17] <cornel> but then, my video card is: Intel Corporation 82Q35 Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:29b2] (rev 02)
[13:17] <cornel> so i expect no special drivers are needed
[13:18] <cornel> otoh, gnome3 libs with this card, is a wonder it works at all :)
[13:19] <D1NG_D4NG> hei
[13:23] <tomreyn> cornel: you probabl yinstalled intel-microcode, and that's probably (hopefully?) fine. indeed, with intel gpu's you don't need (and there ar enot) proprietary graphics drivers.
[13:23] <sveinse> I'm experimenting with bringing up a 18.04 server with docker installed from snap. There is a few new things to take in, that's for sure. E.g. the docker assets have other locations due to snap
[13:24] <cornel> Gargravarr, tomreyn , thank you
[13:25] <tomreyn> cornel: "ubuntu-drivers list" and "ubuntu-drivers devices", when run in a terminal, will show what you have avialable / installed.
[13:25] <cornel> gonna try lubuntu and see if this improves, a bit :)
[13:26] <Gargravarr> sveinse: docker in a snap? running LXC in there? ;)
[13:26] <Gargravarr> containers all the way down
[13:28] <sveinse> Gargravarr: no, not running lxc. docker mostly because of easy access to updates and deployment, really. In fact this being a small server, I'm counting on my fingers if I should run e.g. nginx on bare-metal, i.e. ubuntu's nginx in the trad sense, or by using nginx docker instance which is official
[13:29] <sveinse> I've heard it claimed that over bare metal docker can give better security since it's running in a jail
[13:29] <Gargravarr> sveinse: all in the implementation. i know our Docker containers currently run everything as root :)
[13:31] <tomreyn> this (and this page in general) has more suggestions on what you could try: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/intel_graphics#Enable_GuC_.2F_HuC_firmware_loading
[13:31] <tomreyn> cornel: ^
[13:31] <zofrex> how come I don't have a .efi.signed vmlinuz file in /boot with 18.04?
[13:32] <sveinse> Gargravarr: I suppose if there is a weakness and an rouge application is able to break out of the jail, then it would not matter what the UID of the process is
[13:32] <zofrex> has this been retired or something? I have the linux-signed-generic package installed
[13:32] <sveinse> Gargravarr: i.e. a breakout would constitute a kernel breach, right?
[13:32] <transhuman> hi! Can I force dnsmasq to resolve the local server for (nslookups) using its host file or some hand entered value and the remainder for the same domain a remote server?
[13:34] <dbugger> Hi everyone. I have a weird bug. Apparently my terminal doesnt want to paste anymore what I have in my clipboard. "Paste" works outside the terminal, but when I try it to do it there, it shows some old value I had before copied.
[13:34] <Gargravarr> transhuman: /etc/hosts always takes priority
[13:34] <cornel> tomreyn, thank you but my processor is: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E6550  @ 2.33GHz , no core iX here
[13:34] <transhuman> in the past thats true but I am not so sure with dnsmasq but perhaps my issue is elsewhere and I have just missed something
[13:35] <Gargravarr> nslookup always queries a DNS server, it ignores /etc/hosts
[13:35] <transhuman> I can ping things through local host but I cant do nslookups that way
[13:35] <transhuman> thats wierd
[13:35] <transhuman> must be something I dont understand going on then
[13:36] <sveinse> Gargravarr, tanja84dk: Which is configured in /etc/nsswitch.conf btw, but as said, normally files (hosts) takes priority over dns
[13:38] <Guest6720> i'm back, the error was ""System BootOrder not found. Initializing Defaults"
[13:39] <Guest6720> "Creating boot entry Boot0000" with label "Ubuntu" for file "\EFI\ubuntu\" (picture cut off)
[13:39] <Guest6720> "Restart system"
[13:39] <Guest6720> then it reboots and says the same thing over and over
[13:39] <Guest6720> seems like this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shim-signed/+bug/1747889
[13:40] <sveinse> Gargravarr: is it pointless to run docker under snap would you say? I'm not gonna hold you to it, just trying to seek some opinions
[13:40] <Guest6720> it's a bug on acer's aprt
[13:44] <kjellmann_> Hi! I'm using 3 external monitors with dell D6000 docking (2 display ports in dock, 1 hdmi directly in computer"). I get it to display just fine, but now and then (sometimes very often) the screens connected to the dock are turning black and losing connection. Then I have to plug power supply to the dock for it to appear again.. Takes some time and are quiet annoying.. Anyone got a solution?
[13:45] <Gargravarr> sveinse: i'm curious as well. seems like CONTAINERISE ALL THE THINGS is a mindset that's contagious :) personally i prefer to run final products on the metal, but i do appreciate the ease of dev'ing with containers. running docker in a snap, you're adding 2 layers of abstraction before you even run your application
[13:46] <kjellmann_> I'm currently on 18.04, but this was also an issue on 16.04. Currently using Nouveau display driver (Quadro M1000M)
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> kjellmann_: have you tried this on other graphics drivers?
[13:50] <de-facto> !info efibootmgr | Guest6720
[13:50] <Guest6720> de-facto, and?
[13:50] <Guest6720> oh
[13:51] <Guest6720> de-facto, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wzkQCZtgXy/
[13:51] <de-facto> Gue6720 you can list and edit efi entries with that, maybe thats helpful
[13:51] <kjellmann_> lotuspsychje: To use the proprietary driver nvidia-driver-390?
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> kjellmann_: for example yes, check whats avalaible on your: ubuntu-drivers list
[13:53] <kjellmann_> lotuspsychje: I have to reboot for the changes to take affect, right? I see now that the nvidia driver has updated from 16.04 to 18.04 to a newer version, so probably worth a try
[13:54] <Guest6720> de-facto, it's doing exactly as it says in the launchpad bug report, it's spamming the efi with boot entries for shimx64, which fails, it's a firmware bug
[13:54]  * Guest6720 sighs and reinstalls Windows
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> kjellmann_: yes, just keep in mind we not yet reccomend the lts to lts upgrade till 18.04.1
[13:56] <de-facto> Guest6720, maybe you can boot in bios compat mode or such
[13:56] <Guest6720> there's no option for that
[13:57] <SuperLag> Is there a way to list only third-party packages you've installed? or do you have to list everything and just filter what you're looking for?
[13:57] <de-facto> did you try to manually delete/correct the EFI entries with that efibootmgr? i remember i used it long time ago to drive the kinks out of one efi installation
[13:58] <axisys> when I fold the screen on my laptop it goes to suspend.. how do I disable it?
[13:59] <Gargravarr> axisys: Settings -> Power -> Actions
[13:59] <de-facto> axisys, in the system options (from upper right corner), i guess energy management or such
[13:59] <de-facto> there
[14:01] <ledeni> axisys, you using 18.04?
[14:01] <axisys> Gargravarr, de-facto: I am at Power .. yes 18.04
[14:01] <axisys> ledeni: ^
[14:01] <axisys> I do not see Actions
[14:03] <ledeni> axisys, install gnome-tweak-tool & option power have option to disable lid
[14:03] <sveinse> Gargravarr: Our CTO had a blowout about containers the other day. Cake-IT he called it. The seemingly coolness of layering everything in so many layers up to the point where you need a 3GHz Xeon CPU to run a simple web server. He hoped that the callout for green power in the future might put a stopper on this madness. Pretty interesting statement. And generally I agree.
[14:03] <axisys> ledeni: ah.. wish they had that built in.. thanks
[14:04] <vamadir> ubuntu 18.04 ntfs mounted like read only, i change /etc/fstab and its does not help
[14:04] <ledeni> axisys, you're welcome
[14:05] <axisys> ledeni: worked! It has off on suspend will lid closed..
[14:05] <strang3quark> vamadir: You can try ntfsfix /dev/sdX
[14:06] <strang3quark> where X is your partition letter
[14:06] <strang3quark> and then mount it again
[14:06] <axisys> alt-tab does not allow to switch through my terminals.. need to select with mouse.. that is a problem for me
[14:06] <ledeni> axisys,:)
[14:06] <vamadir> strang3quark,ok i will try, thanks
[14:06] <axisys> since I have tons of terminals open all the time
[14:07] <axisys> also how do I get multiple workspace?
[14:09] <ledeni> axisys,it is default multi workspaces
[14:09] <vamadir> strang3quark, thanks very much, ITS work
[14:11] <u0_a144> hello
[14:11] <axisys> ledeni: alt+ctl+right does not take me to another workspace
[14:11] <u0_a144> -auto
[14:12] <axisys> may be I have to create those workspaces first.. looking for a way
[14:12] <axisys> ledeni: ^
[14:12] <axisys> Ah.. I see I have two verticle workspaces.. need to find how to create horizontals
[14:14] <ledeni> axisys,i just click on activities and drag app to next workspace
[14:15] <auronandace> axisys: the default on ubuntu 18.04 is that there is always one extra empty workspace and they all appear vertically
[14:15] <axisys> auronandace: right.. I am trying to get one horizontally
[14:16] <ledeni> axisys, no way
[14:16] <auronandace> axisys: i don't think you can
[14:22] <raub> Stupid question: if I do sed -d '/s/moose.*:/whatever/' it will replace everything up to the first : including said :. How can I leave the poor : alone?
[14:23] <strang3quark> raub: why dont you do like /s/moose*:/whatever:/ ?
[14:24] <raub> strang3quark: because it is not generic stuff. i.e. if I want to stop at space/tab, I would have to guess
[14:24] <Gargravarr> raub: use a capture: s/moose*(:)/whatever$1/
[14:25] <Gargravarr> in which case you can do s/moose*(\s*)/whatever$1/ where \s* is any (and all) whitespace characters
[14:25] <DarkAceZ> hello, it seems like ever since U18.04 was officially released, I no longer have any package updates
[14:25] <DarkAceZ> what am I missing?
[14:25] <DarkAceZ> do I need to get out of the beta release somehow?
[14:26] <raub> Gargravarr: Much better!  thnaks!
[14:26] <Gargravarr> DarkAceZ: apparently, you're missing en1gma...
[14:26] <JimBuntu> DarkAceZ, Another user reported no updates over the weekend.
[14:26] <zacktu> I have installed ubuntu 18.04 as a dual boot with 16.04.  Now 18.04 is the default system (maybe that's ok), but 16.04 won't boot.  I don't think that 18.04 is booting from my /boot partition.  How can I change grub to boot 16.04 and start over?
[14:26] <raub> Gargravarr: I thought \s was deprecated for [[:space:]]
[14:26] <Gargravarr> raub: probably, but it's the well-known shorthand
[14:27] <raub> Gargravarr: gotcha
[14:28] <DarkAceZ> updating repos seems to get done way too quickly
[14:28] <Gargravarr> DarkAceZ: the short answer is, no updates have been released since, it's nothing to worry about
[14:29] <WeirdTolkienishF> lady here wants to know why a shared object file is a bunch of gibberish when opening in windows
[14:29]  * WeirdTolkienishF sighs
[14:29] <DarkAceZ> Gargravarr: well that sucks, I was hoping that would fix my file sharing toggle glitch
[14:30] <Gargravarr> WeirdTolkienishF: tell her it's an Elvish incantation to make the computer do magic
[14:31] <WeirdTolkienishF> she's a sysadmin!
[14:31] <Gargravarr> ...
[14:34] <auronandace> what is the program name of the dialog box that comes up asking you for your password when a graphical application needs to run as root?
[14:35] <Gargravarr> auronandace: gksu/gksudo
[14:35] <Gargravarr> WeirdTolkienishF: to be perfectly honest, some sysadmins think computers meet the Arthur C Clarke definition of 'magic' anyway :)
[14:35] <auronandace> Gargravarr: nope, that was removed in 18.04
[14:35] <oerheks> auronandace, gnome-keyring i guess
[14:36] <Gargravarr> auronandace: hmm, didn't know that
[14:36] <oerheks> gksu is dropped indeed
[14:36] <auronandace> oerheks: ah, so it is gnome specific?
[14:37] <ONe2_> HELP! Please!  I was upgrading to Trisquel 8 from 7 something on my Libiquity x200 and when I came back to see the progress the computer was frozen.  I restarted and now it can't load the GUI.
[14:38] <ONe2_> The Trisquel IRC has much fewer people in it.  So I'd really appreciate any help.
[14:38] <oerheks> auronandace, i cannot find a clear answer :-(
[14:39] <auronandace> oerheks: is there an equivalent that i could use in i3?
[14:39] <oerheks> ONe2_, trisquel is nor ubuntu, find the support channel with !alis
[14:39] <oerheks> !alis
[14:39] <strang3quark> auronandace: probably pkexec ?
[14:39] <transhuman> whats the lightest desktop ubuntu 18 comes with? Is it lxde?
[14:40] <Gargravarr> transhuman: experience says lxde, yes
[14:40] <transhuman> ok just checking, thought it might have been awsome or some other less known one
[14:41] <Gargravarr> there are lighter GUIs, but they don't provide what you would recognise as 'full desktops'
[14:41] <Gargravarr> e.g. Fluxbox
[14:41] <graingert> anyone with Vim and ubuntu 18.04 can you try and repeat my error for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vim/+bug/1768026
[14:42] <graingert> and mark it as affecting you
[14:42] <graingert> (if it does)
[14:42] <transhuman> but are they actively worked on with Ubuntu?
[14:42] <kostkon> transhuman, there's Lubuntu
[14:42] <auronandace> strang3quark: apparently i'm not authorized
[14:44] <strang3quark> transhuman: If you want a lighter ubuntu just install Ubuntu Minimal (with the mini.iso) and then install some WM like Openbox or i3
[14:45] <raub> Gargravarr: I think I am doing something wrong: http://pastebin.centos.org/722076/
[14:45] <brainwash> graingert: why artificially push the importance of this bug?
[14:48] <graingert> brainwash: it's not artificial if it affects more than one person
[14:48] <graingert> we've had repeats on Debian but none on Ubuntu
[14:48] <brainwash> isn't a specific setup required?
[14:49] <brainwash> or can it be reproduced with the default vim config?
[14:50] <graingert> pretty sure a default vim config anywhere there's an echo message
[14:52] <graingert> brainwash: https://github.com/vim/vim/issues/2612
[14:52] <graingert> has a simple repor
[14:52] <graingert> repro*
[14:53] <sajoupa> k
[14:56] <eaglgenes101> Are there known issues relating to going to Bionic from Artful right now? Or is it just a simmering peroid to try to catch those last few bugs?
[14:57] <brainwash> graingert: I guess I could test it later
[14:57] <kostkon> eaglgenes101, the latter
[14:57] <brainwash> graingert: you'll probably want to read through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[14:58] <alive876> hi every one, i have simple problem, sometimes an application window reduces to a grey menu bar, and i cant see the app any more, although it is still running.,, any help appreciated!
[15:05] <graingert> brainwash: covered under Other safe cases pt 1
[15:05] <dewying> why must linux have so much screentearing?
[15:05] <dewying> i want to use it but every distro has screentearing
[15:06] <graingert> dewying: usually it's the fualt of drivers
[15:06] <graingert> fault*
[15:06] <dewying> both on intel and nvidia gpu
[15:06] <graingert> proprietary
[15:06] <dewying> iv tried both free and non free drivers
[15:06] <graingert> dewying: there's usually a config for vsync
[15:06] <graingert> dewying: I don't get any tearing on intel
[15:07] <dewy> iv tried seetting up the intel tear free option
[15:11] <transhuman> why does my bash shell look so strange? specifically why the PS1 is set to a chroot?
[15:11] <transhuman> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BWmDGHKT4Y/
[15:14] <pragmaticenigma> If you're working in a chroot environment, the prompt will display as such. Otherwise it is an empty string. the value of debian_chroot is an empty string until a chroot environment starts
[15:15] <pragomer> how can I add my network drive (synology) nas, that is mounted to /media/mynas to gnomes file indexing? (that that my files can be found via gnome shell)
[15:19] <transhuman> how come I cant get a proper bash prompt all I get is a $ and have to type sudo bash or sudo sh
[15:19] <IxE> Hi everyone... First time here. Anyone had a kernel panic message after upgrading to 18.04?
[15:19] <longword> Not yet.
[15:20] <oerheks> sudo -i # and hit enter, the session will be root
[15:21] <transhuman> I actually by default dont want a root session I just want to be able to type sudo <command> or otherwise be normal user my shell is set to /bin/bash
[15:21] <transhuman> but this ain't no bash shell!
[15:22] <ducasse> transhuman: type 'echo $SHELL' to see
[15:22] <pragmaticenigma> transhuman: have you made changes to /etc/bash.bashrc or any of the other bash config files?
[15:23] <jork> does anyone know where I can find a checksum for lubuntu 18.04?
[15:24] <transhuman> I have added a few lines to it otherwise never changed it. mainly the path thats it and also some color stuff (but it wasnt like this before two do-release-upgrades but it is in fact pointing to /bin/sh
[15:24] <transhuman> going to reset the ./bashrc to defaults and see what happens
[15:24] <pragmaticenigma> jork: they are provided at the same location you downloaded the offical ISOs from
[15:25] <oerheks> jork, md5 and sha256 are on this page, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04/release/
[15:25] <auronandace> !dash | transhuman
[15:26] <jork> oerheks, many thanks, that's the link I needed.  I found a magnet on the lubuntu.org site, but no checksums.
[15:26] <solsTiCe> oerheks: I can't connect to cdimage.ubuntu.com. Do they filter out VPN ?
[15:26] <transhuman> thanks
[15:27] <oerheks> solsTiCe, no idea if a vpn or proxy gives issues..
[15:27] <pragmaticenigma> solsTiCe: There are no filters on the download sites. Check with your VPN provider or try to download the ISO without VPN
[15:28] <rookie> really
[15:28] <pragmaticenigma> solsTiCe: It is possible that Ubuntu is temporarily blocking that VPN for potentially malicious activity
[15:28] <solsTiCe> ah releases.ubuntu.com blocks me too!
[15:29] <pepermuntjes> what kind of bullshit is that /bin/sh is dash
[15:29] <pragmaticenigma> !ohmy | pepermuntjes
[15:29] <oerheks> pepermuntjes, why do we need to tell you *again*.. watch your language
[15:31] <transhuman> sudo dpkg-reconfigure dash --> answer no fixed it...thanks guys
[15:31] <pepermuntjes> oerheks, use another kernel: https://www.vidarholen.net/contents/wordcount/
[15:31] <rookie> whats so special in ubuntu
[15:31] <transhuman> that shell is too light in my opinion
[15:31] <solsTiCe> oerheks: pragmaticenigma I know. I just enabled block non encrypted traffic in "HTTPS Everywhere" extension; That's why. no problem with VPN
[15:34] <solsTiCe> oerheks: there are only server images on cdimage.ubuntu.com ?
[15:34] <oerheks> solsTiCe, i find no https page , nor the torrent list gives https .. http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[15:36] <pepermuntjes> oerheks, can you recommend me a channel where i can use curse words?
[15:36] <transhuman> my server will only run gnome3 everything else hangs and it must be launched from slim. go figure, guess its still not fixed totally
[15:36] <solsTiCe> oerheks: yes. and no. the option of "HTTPS Everywhere" is to block http and redirect to https. as there is not https://cdimage.ubuntu.com that gave me an error. If I disable that option of "HTTPS Everywhere" it works because I can now go to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com
[15:36] <transhuman> remind me to never run out of space again!
[15:37] <pepermuntjes> https everywhere will undoubtly break websites
[15:37] <mattfly> is anyone able to hibernate ubuntu 18.04?
[15:37] <auronandace> transhuman: never run out of space again
[15:37] <pepermuntjes> because sometimes https is available, but implementation not finished
[15:37] <transhuman> thanks auronandace
[15:37] <mattfly> im getting stuck on snapshooting system of s2disk
[15:39] <transhuman> 3 weeks of attempting to fix it, and I still cant get it right, learned a lot more about this desktops and windows managers and systemd than I care to but ..it shows no errors, must be a time out issue with something cause it launches the other desktops after two days
[15:48] <axisys> anyway to enable the switch between windows with super+tab+pause+tab like in unity?
[15:49] <pragmaticenigma> are you talking about expose axisys ?
[15:49] <pragmaticenigma> axisys: I have never seen that key combination
[15:51] <axisys> so if I have terminal and chrome open.. and if I pause a second on Terminal window.. it then used to let me pick one of the Terminals and when I release the keys I could switch to it
[15:51] <Brawcks> Hi guys, i'm getting some problems on iptables
[15:52] <pragmaticenigma> axisys: try that with Alt + Tab
[15:52] <axisys> now when I pause a second.. it does show me all the terminals.. but then I have to use another hand with mouse or arrow to pick a terminal.. I cannot tab through
[15:52] <axisys> pragmaticenigma: right. right.. I meant alt+tab+pause+tab
[15:53] <Brawcks> Getting this result when trying to run a container from docker, it seems that a firewall rule is crashing :  iptables: No chain/target/match by that name.
[15:53] <axisys> so alt+tab and pause a second .. and I get all the terminals.. but I cannot switch to one .. I need another hand with mouse or arrow..
[15:53] <lotuspsychje> !firewall | Brawcks can this help?
[15:54] <pepermuntjes> does anybody have experience with the sane-matsushita library?
[15:54] <pragmaticenigma> axisys: what if you use Alt + esc instead... that supposedly cycles through windows without grouping them
[15:55] <axisys> pragmaticenigma: ah.. that works.. would be nice if I could see it first.. better experience..
[15:55] <Brawcks> ubottu : I've a full configured firewall atm, but only docker run scripts seems to have some crash on this point. Dunno if it could help, perhaps thx !
[15:55] <Brawcks> Ohhhh
[15:56] <pragmaticenigma> axisys: It was one of the first results that came up with a google search
[15:56] <remix2000[m]> Hello! How can I install the vanilla gnome shell (not gtk) theme on 18.04?
[15:57] <axisys> pragmaticenigma: ah..
[15:57] <remix2000[m]> I've already installed vanilla-gnome-desktop and gnome-session via apt
[15:58] <pepermuntjes> remix2000[m], how doe you like it? Have a screenshot?
[15:58] <pragmaticenigma> remix2000[m]: Gnome is built on top of GTK... I don't understand your question
[15:59] <pepermuntjes> u mean aidwata?
[15:59] <user|27977> Hi, I'm using kubuntu 18.04 and would like to opt-IN to the data collection stuff
[15:59] <pepermuntjes> Adwaita is the default theme for normal people
[15:59] <lotuspsychje> user|27977: systemsettings/privacy
[16:00] <remix2000[m]> pragmaticenigma: gnome shell is styled apart of other gtk apps ;)
[16:01] <lotuspsychje> !themes | remix2000[m] pick one?
[16:01] <user|27977> lotuspsychje cool, thanks
[16:01] <remix2000[m]> Shell theme affects topbar and its menus
[16:01] <compdoc> I added a static ip to /etc/network/interfaces, and it works but doesnt seem to honor the dns-nameservers line. has that changed in 18.04?
[16:01] <remix2000[m]> ubottu: No, no… I mean the vanilla one.
[16:02] <sbs72001> hi
[16:02] <sbs72001> wassup
[16:02] <pragmaticenigma> !gtk | remix2000[m]
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> remix2000[m]: do you mean gnome classic?
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> !support | sbs72001 is up
[16:03] <remix2000[m]> I mistyped; lotuspsychje
[16:03] <pragmaticenigma> remix2000[m]: do a web search, find an image the has an example of what you are looking for and post us the link. Otherwise it's really hard to visualize what you are seeking
[16:04] <pragmaticenigma> remix2000[m]: the "gnome-session" provides the non-Ubuntu customized version of Gnome. Which you have to select when you login (from the gear icon)
[16:06] <remix2000[m]> pragmaticenigma:  "Shell theme" comes from official gnome nomenclature. Also, I mention that I installed that package.
[16:06] <remix2000[m]> *mentioned
[16:06] <user|27977> lotuspsychje I don't see Privacy on my system's settings. Kde settings are kind of dense
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj:^ do you know?
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> user|27977: im on gnome sorry
[16:08] <pragmaticenigma> remix2000[m]: The topic of your question requires a visual example, until you can provide something for us to see... It's going to be very difficult to direct or help you
[16:09] <Alexander-47u> hi all
[16:09] <user|27977> lotuspsychje Hey thanks anyway I wrote in the Kubuntu chat but no answer
[16:09] <Alexander-47u> my usb sound card doesnt work
[16:09] <Alexander-47u> but testing it does
[16:10] <Alexander-47u> with this command: speaker-test -Dhw:2,0 -c2 -twav
[16:10] <Alexander-47u> its an soundblaster omni 5.1
[16:10] <BluesKaj> user|27977, system settings>accounts> KDE wallet for securing passwords etc
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> tnx BluesKaj
[16:12] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, that's not the question he asked in kubuntu, don't know what he means by this: "would like to opt-IN to the data collection stuff"
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: the option bionic offers to collect data and send to canonical
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: he wants to enable it
[16:13] <user|27977> BluesKaj Yes
[16:14] <BluesKaj> thought he was looking for privacy/security for passwords etc
[16:14] <user|27977> BluesKaj I did a fresh install and expected to see the new dialog but I think that only works for ubuntu propper
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: on ubuntu-desktop, we get a welcome screen where its aked, i presume kubuntu doesnt
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> *asked
[16:15] <user|27977> lotuspsychje Nope, no welcome screen. anyway of activating it? terminal maybe.
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> user|27977: i dont think its built-in kubuntu
[16:17] <pr3c0g> hey guys, when ubuntu tells you "disk is likely to fail soon", where does it get this info from?
[16:17] <pr3c0g> what exactly is it doing? analyzing some bad sectors or something ?
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> pr3c0g: surely smart error, check disk-tools or dmesg
[16:18] <pragmaticenigma> pr3c0g: It is pulling that information directly from the drive itself. SMART controls is reporting the disk is failing
[16:19] <pr3c0g> ok I found it now, reallocated sector count is failing
[16:19] <pr3c0g> everything else is OK
[16:19] <BluesKaj> user|27977, kubuntu asks that question during the installation procedure
[16:20] <kus_ubuntui686> I am on artful. Ubuntu x64 on a haswell i5 processor. do-release-upgrade says no candidate. Is bionic beaver not ready for upgrades?
[16:20] <Alexander-47u> my usb sound card isnt available as output device
[16:20] <Alexander-47u> what can i do?
[16:22] <kus_ubuntui686> Alexander-47u: did you try this? https://askubuntu.com/a/471443
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> Alexander-47u: hastebin us the output of: sudo lshw -C sound
[16:22] <pragmaticenigma> pr3c0g: that's really bad... I'd start getting that data backed up very soon
[16:23] <user|27977> lotuspsychje that's to bad it was a simple unobtrusive way of contributing.
[16:23] <BluesKaj> user|27977, if you do a clean install rather than a do-release-upgrade, ubiquity asks if you want to kubuntu to collect data to improve it's performance etc.
[16:24] <lotuspsychje> user|27977: i was talking about only welcome screen, surely data collect is installed on kubuntu, you just need to find setting
[16:24] <Alexander-47u> https://pastebin.com/Hgx3FTw2
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> Alexander-47u: seems like all drivers are loaded
[16:25] <Alexander-47u> yes, i can test and here it
[16:25] <Alexander-47u> its only not accessible through 'sound preferences'
[16:25] <Alexander-47u> speaker-test -Dhw:2,0 -c2 -twav
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> Alexander-47u: try to install pavucontrol and test from there
[16:25] <Alexander-47u> produces sound jsut fine though
[16:27] <pr3c0g> pragmaticenigma: yeah, I have to take care of that
[16:27] <BluesKaj> user|27977,lotuspsychje yes it's 'Collectl'
[16:27] <Alexander-47u> yes fixed
[16:27] <Alexander-47u> thanks bro
[16:27] <Alexander-47u> why does pavucontrol detect it and the builtin 'sound preferences' does not?
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> Alexander-47u: no prob
[16:27] <Alexander-47u> can i fix it somehow?
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> Alexander-47u: wich ubuntu release are you on?
[16:28] <Alexander-47u> 16.04
[16:28] <Alexander-47u> mate
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> Alexander-47u: ah, not very familliar with mate options, did you try #ubuntu-mate ?
[16:29] <Alexander-47u> no, will do :)
[16:29] <Alexander-47u> that channel is half dead lol
[16:30] <pragmaticenigma> Alexander-47u: sometimes you have to ask... and wait... or lurk and wait for some activity to ask the question
[16:30] <Alexander-47u> nvm, its completely fixed with pavucontrol
[16:30] <Alexander-47u> the options ahve somehow also appeared now in the 'sound preferences' utility that comes with MATE
[16:30] <Alexander-47u> thank you :D
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> !yay | Alexander-47u
[16:31] <pragmaticenigma> Alexander-47u: it sounds like a dependency was missing for pulse-audio that was resolved when you install pavucontrol
[16:32] <Alexander-47u> :)
[16:32] <Alexander-47u> thank you
[16:33] <axisys> mouse middle button paste does not work
[16:36] <taiebot> I have weird bug here in Bionic just installed on new pc, via usb. On login screen if i type password and press enter, login fails. If i type password and click with the mouse on sign in, i sign in properly. I thought pressing enter would work does anyone confirm the same behaviour. Did a quick browse on launchpad and i did not see anything like that.
[16:41] <ImageJPEG> Still can't get my Ubuntu NAS server to grab my static IPv6 address. I've even posted in the forums with no solution.
[16:41] <ImageJPEG> Here's the forum:
[16:41] <ImageJPEG> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2390290
[16:43] <gebbione> i keep getting this lovely msg -> sign_and_send_pubkey: signing failed: agent refused operation
[16:43] <gebbione> unless i do  SSH_AUTH_SOCK=0
[16:43] <nacc> ImageJPEG: did you try setting it on the command line?
[16:43] <nacc> ImageJPEG: did you check syslog or dmesg for errors/
[16:43] <gebbione> i tried removing the gnome keyring
[16:44] <Gargravarr> gebbione: i got that. is your private key more than user-readable?
[16:44] <longword> By what means are you expecting it to take an IPv6 address? DHCPv6?
[16:44] <gebbione> Gargravarr, 600
[16:44] <Gargravarr> i had to chmod 600 .ssh/id_rsa
[16:44] <Gargravarr> okay, not the same problem then
[16:44] <Gargravarr> although i only got the real error after trying 'ssh-add .ssh/id_rsa'
[16:45] <gebbione> my key is in ssh-add -l
[16:45] <gebbione> i tried all of the things on stackoverflow
[16:45] <Gargravarr> try it anyway. mine was, and that's where i got the message that permissions were set wrong
[16:45] <gebbione> i cannot get it stable
[16:46] <ImageJPEG> Nothing in the logs now but I think they rolled over. I'll try restarting it again to see what I get
[16:46] <gebbione> Gargravarr, no luck
[16:46] <Gargravarr> gebbione: was worth a try. good luck
[16:46] <schang> Hi
[16:47] <schang> I'm running an ubuntu 16.04 LTS which I'd like to upgrade to the newly released 18.04 LTS
[16:47] <schang> I've tried to sudo do-release-upgrade
[16:47] <Gargravarr> schang: welcome back (with your rebuilt machine ;)
[16:47] <ImageJPEG> dmesg didn't give any clues other than informing that it renamed eth1 to eno2
[16:47] <schang> but it is telling me that it is not avaialble
[16:47] <Gargravarr> schang: this is correct. LTS will not offer until 18.04.1
[16:48] <schang> Gargravarr yeah, I managed to recover the machine through rsync. Was an dventure but it worked just fine
[16:48] <taiebot> schang try do-release-upgrade -d if you want to force it
[16:48] <Gargravarr> taiebot: he did that earlier and bork'd his machine
[16:48] <schang> taiebot already tried that earlier, thanks but not thanks :)
[16:48] <taiebot> anyone for my problem ^^
[16:49] <schang> ok so no do-release-upgrade until .... when the 8.04.1 is released then
[16:49] <Gargravarr> schang: 18.04.1 is scheduled for release sometime in June/July
[16:49] <schang> ok great thanks a lot
[16:49] <schang> so basically the only of having a 18.04 LTS to reinstall from scratch then, right ?
[16:50] <schang> I mean if I wanted to have it now and not wait until June/July
[16:50] <Gargravarr> schang: in theory, do-release-upgrade -d will work. i don't know what caused your machine to error out
[16:50] <Gargravarr> several people have been in here who did d-r-u -d
[16:50] <schang> Gargravarr it did on my family laptop but that was not big deal I've reinstalled
[16:50] <schang> Gargravarr happened on a prod server in my lab .... :(
[16:51] <schang> but backup worked :)
[16:51] <Gargravarr> ...why were you trying to even DRY-RUN upgrading a prod server?! :P
[16:51] <taiebot> might do a bug report seems very odd going to #ubuntu-bugs
[16:51] <schang> Gargravarr I was expecting the imaginary dry-run to start doing downlaod only
[16:52] <Gargravarr> taiebot: what happens if you switch to a TTY (Ctrl+Alt+F2) and login? Ctrl+Alt+F1 to get back
[16:52] <Gargravarr> schang: but on a /prod/ server? ;) i wouldn't even touch a prod server for that, would be on a completely unused VM
[16:53] <taiebot> gargravarr: F2 and F1 do not work anymore it's F3 to F7
[16:53] <mattfly> can someone help me with an hibernations issue on ubuntu 18.04 ?
[16:53] <taiebot> When i click enter i do F7 and F1 i can see authentication fails
[16:53] <Gargravarr> taiebot: interesting, graphical is F1 on my laptop, F2-F6 for TTYs
[16:53] <nacc> Gargravarr: schang: also what do you mean by 'dry run' here? d-r-u does not have such an option
[16:53] <mattfly> i get stuck on snapshooting system s2disk
[16:53] <Gargravarr> nacc: he found that out the hard way
[16:54] <schang> Gargravarr I don't always d-r-u -d, when I do, I do it in prod :)
[16:54] <Gargravarr> schang: :D
[16:55] <nacc> Gargravarr: my point being it wasn't about 'dry-run' or not, it was about not understanding options to tools, doing things as root, etc. on a production server.
[16:56] <schang> nacc when I say a prod server it's not like it's running Facebook or Twitter on it, just a lab server that is used by a small team
[16:56] <Gargravarr> nacc: as was my point, too. we already told him about reading the man-pages first
[16:57] <stewart311> Been using 18.04LTS and wondered if anyone else has experience top right icons disappearing for skype etc, if I perform alt+f2 and r to reset the gui they will appear again
[16:58] <nacc> Gargravarr: ok, good
[17:01] <Gargravarr> schang: in fairness, i have frequently said i've learned more about computers by breaking them than by following the instructions :) let this be a learning experience!
[17:01] <jack3>  Hello.  Ubuntu 16.  ran out of space. deleted some logs, space not reclaimed.  Googled.  Found lots.  Most start with this:   lsof +L1  to find files held open.   But when I run that command... it finds nothing.   Not yet found what to do when that happens.   Help with how to reclaim space would be greatly appreciated.
[17:02] <nacc> jack3: *where* did you run out of space
[17:02] <jack3> what do you mean?
[17:02] <nacc> jack3: you say you ran out of space -- how did you notice?
[17:02] <jack3> on the shell.  can't save files
[17:02] <nacc> jack3: pastebin `df -h` output
[17:03] <jack3> nacc:  it's about 8 lines.  ok to post that many here, now?
[17:03] <nacc> jack3: no.
[17:03] <nacc> jack3: use a pastebin as i said
[17:03] <jack3> ah.. yes, you did
[17:03] <jack3> brb
[17:03] <Gargravarr> the bot will quickly de-voice you if you paste long lines
[17:04] <jack3> nacc:  http://paste.tclhelp.net/?id=6e0h
[17:04] <Gargravarr> okay, so a VM with one partition, / is full
[17:04] <nacc> jack3: this is a VM?
[17:04] <pr3c0g> it has to be a vm
[17:04] <jack3> nacc:  probably.  it is a friends shell.
[17:05] <nacc> pr3c0g: while I appreciate your assertion, let's let the user tell us their configuration.
[17:05] <Gargravarr> jack3: 4.9GB is quite small for a graphical system. could you ask them to increase the VHD?
[17:05] <nacc> Gargravarr: how do you know they run a graphical system?
[17:05] <jack3> I don't "do" znc,  and I strongly suspect that is where his problem is/was.  (I do eggdrop).  he has shut down znc, and I've wacked some really old znc logs.   still have no space.
[17:05] <Borw3> This new kernels of 4.15.... No wifi driver is compiling :(
[17:05] <jack3> Gargravarr:  graphics??   no graphics
[17:06] <nacc> jack3: can you pastebin `du -h --max-depth=1`
[17:06] <nacc> jack3: it may take a bit to finish
[17:06] <Gargravarr> okay, my bad, i thought you meant saving files graphically
[17:06] <jack3> nacc:  give me a min
[17:06] <nacc> jack3: err, from /
[17:06] <nacc> jack3: and you've run `sync` after manually deleting files?
[17:06] <jack3> no idea what sync is.   so: No
[17:07] <Gargravarr> jack3: sync is a command that waits until the disk queues are flushed - OSes frequently background large writes, so when 'sync' finishes, everything is done
[17:07] <nacc> jack3: run it, twice, from the command line
[17:07] <jack3> nacc:   any command line switches?      or just :  sync
[17:07] <Gargravarr> just sync
[17:08] <jack3> done.  nothing.  just returned me to command line
[17:08] <nacc> jack3: now check your df output again?
[17:08] <Gargravarr> okay, so deletes are indeed finished
[17:08] <Borw3> Seriously no one using rt3290 wifi drivers here? If anyone is using it with Ubuntu 18.04 please post link to your driver please
[17:08] <jack3> nacc: that one line is still 0% avail  and 100% used
[17:09] <nacc> jack3: ok
[17:09] <jack3> nacc:  still need that pastebin?    (not sure how to do that.. it would soooo many lines )
[17:09] <Gargravarr> not with '--max-depth'
[17:09] <nacc> Borw3: isn't that the rt2800pci driver?
[17:09] <Gargravarr> basically want to see which is the biggest folder under root
[17:10] <jack3> Gargravarr:  we are not root anyway
[17:10] <jack3> as for this user,  biggest dir is the znc  dir
[17:10] <nacc> jack3: uh ... you aren't root and want to free up disk space possibly outside of your home dir?
[17:10] <Borw3> nacc: That 2800pci is for rt2860 or rt28xx devices, it works on rt3290 too but network strength is low, and disconnects often.
[17:10] <jack3> nacc:  no
[17:11] <nacc> jack3: ok, as your user, whatever, `du -sh` from their home dir
[17:11] <tgm4883> Running 18.04. I have a USB headset. I see the device added in pulseaudio control, but I can't set it as a recording or output device
[17:11] <Gargravarr> jack3: hmm, you said znc is generating lots of logs. is znc still running? it could be eating up space as fast as you're freeing it
[17:11] <nacc> Borw3: afaict, that's the driver in Ubuntu (based upon looking at the source)
[17:11] <jack3>  is znc still running?  <<< no.  we shut it down
[17:11] <nacc> Borw3: dunno if there's a third party driver you are referring to
[17:11] <tgm4883> This is a fresh install. Oddly enough, it works fine on the desktop I upgraded from 17.10
[17:11] <irwiss> are you running some copy on write filesystem may be?
[17:12] <jack3> nacc:    now  547M   (was something like 602M  before I deleted some old logs)
[17:12] <Borw3> nacc: All 3rd party drivers that I used to use on 16.04 fail on 18.04.. doing research I see that it's cause of the new kernel 4.15, doesn't even matter what distro one uses
[17:12] <Gargravarr> jack3: something does seem to be filling up your disk as fast as youre clearing space
[17:12] <jack3> Gargravarr:  that 547  doesn't change
[17:13] <nacc> jack3: well, clearing 50M when you are out of disk space is probably not going to solve the problem
[17:13] <nacc> jack3: if something is writing to the disk
[17:13] <MosesParts> we need a 3 day code sprint to correct some bugs
[17:13] <nacc> Borw3: well, 16.04 totally unrelated to 18.04 in this regard, so that's a red herring
[17:13] <MosesParts> do we just use trello instead of jira for that sort of code sprint?
[17:13] <nacc> MosesParts: 'we' is the wrong channel for that disucssion, this is the support channel
[17:14] <nacc> MosesParts: are you in the wrong channel?
[17:14] <jack3> nacc: right.   we got some advice on znc,  etc.  and i have some ideas about setting up  a cron job with find, to wack fiels older than xx days (need to review my stuff that I looked up, wehn I set it up for an eggdrop, a long time ago)
[17:14] <jack3> but..  need some elbow room
[17:14] <Borw3> nacc: Even once 16.04 started using 4.13 kernel, the drivers failed, I had to do some coding just to make it work on 4.13 kernel, but now on 4.15 there is no hopes
[17:15] <nacc> Borw3: right, where did you get those out of tree drivers from? ubuntu packages?
[17:15] <MosesParts> nacc what if i am a coder for linux 18?
[17:15] <nacc> MosesParts: then you're in the wrong channel; also you are proving you are not
[17:15] <Borw3> nacc: No LOL... third party git repos
[17:15] <nacc> MosesParts: 'linux 18' is nothing.
[17:15] <nacc> Borw3: then it's not an ubuntu support topic ...
[17:15] <MosesParts> nacc linux 18 is the new linux
[17:16] <Borw3> nacc: But it's ubuntu I am running that has shitty driver support for rt3290sta :(... how's that not related to ubuntu?
[17:16] <nacc> MosesParts: I don't know what you are talking about, but I'm assuming you are trolling and will ignore you now. Have a nice day.
[17:16] <ImageJPEG> I will never understand Ubuntu and why after a reboot, IPv6 works again.
[17:16] <MosesParts> nacc that is rude
[17:16] <nacc> Borw3: no, *Linux* does not support your hardware, afaict. That's not Ubuntu's fault
[17:17] <pavlos> MosesParts: the current release is ubuntu 18.04 ... linux is a generic term
[17:17] <jack3> nacc :  still with me?
[17:17] <nacc> Borw3: and I didn't say it wasn't related to Ubuntu, I said it's not a support topic
[17:17] <nacc> jack3: yep
[17:17] <MosesParts> pavlos ok so the same thing?
[17:17] <jack3> :)
[17:17] <nacc> pavlos: and they clearly are not an Ubuntu developer if they don't know that, so they are trollling.
[17:17] <Borw3> nacc: So you are saying I should ditch UBUNTU and linux as a whole for windblows? xD
[17:17] <nacc> Borw3: I'm not saying anything :)
[17:18] <nacc> Borw3: Use hardware that is well-supported, would be my first suggestion
[17:18] <nacc> Borw3: don't use stuff that requires out of tree drivers unless you want to deal with stuff like this all the time, would be my second
[17:18] <Borw3> nacc: Man windows 10 has better support for old hardware than Linux xD....... what a shame
[17:18] <nacc> Borw3: afaict, this isn't "old hardware"
[17:19] <brenster21> so i am trying to mount my window parition to ubuntu. it is ntfs.
[17:19] <Borw3> rt3290sta drivers are from way back when 2.6 Kernel was a hit xD
[17:19] <kaua> eae
[17:19] <kaua> hiiii
[17:19] <kaua> hello
[17:19] <Gargravarr> brenster21: you will probably need the 'ntfs-3g' package installed
[17:19] <nacc> Borw3: does 14.04 work on your device?
[17:19] <brenster21> already have it
[17:20] <Gargravarr> brenster21: okay, cool. what's not working with it?
[17:20] <Borw3> nacc: 14.04 works, atleast it allows me to compile those wifi drivers no issues :D
[17:20] <brenster21> says it is read only file system
[17:20] <Borw3> Even 12.04
[17:20] <nacc> Borw3: use that? it's supported for another year
[17:20] <Gargravarr> brenster21: this is usually the case. have you mounted it read/write in the past?
[17:20] <nacc> Borw3: I'm not convinced in any way that making out of tree drivers work is anyone's responsibility but your own (certainly not an ubuntu support topic)
[17:21] <jack3> am I supposed to be doing something?   are you waiting for me?
[17:21] <Gargravarr> brenster21: there is also the issue that ntfs-3g will refuse to mount a filesystem, or will mount in r/o mode only, when the filesystem is detected as having errors and needs Windows to run chkdisk
[17:21] <Borw3> nacc: But its a common wifi driver .... I think majority HP probooks use the rt3290sta drivers
[17:21] <brenster21> ah
[17:21] <brenster21> thanks gargravarr
[17:22] <ioria> brenster21, and be sure to have halted windows correctly
[17:22] <nacc> jack3: you don't have any root access to the VM?
[17:22] <pavlos> brenster21: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/mounting-windows-partition-onto-ubuntu-linux/
[17:22] <Gargravarr> ^ #1 cause of NTFS partition problems is bad shutdowns
[17:22] <jack3> nacc: no root, no sudo
[17:22] <nacc> jack3: probably not solve-able without it, tbh; your user is not using sufficient disk space, afaict
[17:22] <brenster21> turns out it was mounted and i was trying to access the wrong drive
[17:23] <Gargravarr> that would also do it...
[17:23] <jack3> your user is not using sufficient disk space, afaict  <<   lost me
[17:23] <nacc> jack3: did you check what lsof says? (e.g., lsof /home/<user> ?)
[17:23] <Gargravarr> jack3: the files you have access to aren't big enough that deleting them would make a difference
[17:23] <nacc> jack3: or you're not deleting enough of them, it's not clear
[17:23] <nacc> jack3: or, as you said, they are still open by some process
[17:24] <jack3> nacc> jack3: did you check what lsof says? (e.g., lsof /home/<user> ?)  <<<  with some switch, yes.  It was in my first post
 jack3: or, as you said, they are still open by some process <<< that's what I found, googling.  but, the directions I found.. to find the open files,  finds nothing
[17:24] <nacc> jack3: no switches, does it output anyhitng
[17:25] <jack3> looked back and found it :   lsof +L1       finds nothing
[17:25] <jack3> will try
[17:25] <jack3> brb
[17:25] <jack3> lsof   and zoooom..  right off the top of the screen.
[17:25] <Gargravarr> well, that much works at least
[17:26] <nacc> jack3: with the path, still
[17:26] <jack3> nacc:  what do you mean?
[17:26] <nacc> jack3: lsof /home/<username>/
[17:26] <jack3> I was in home dir
[17:26] <jack3> I used no switches
[17:26] <jack3> or path
[17:26] <jack3> was that ok?
[17:26] <nacc> jack3: ok, do what is aid.
[17:26] <nacc> *said
[17:26] <nacc> jack3: giving no path is not the same as giving '.'
 jack3: no switches, does it output anyhitng  << I did this
[17:27] <nacc> jack3: which is not what i asked for
[17:27] <marcanuy> I'm having problems with a package requiring different versions of libgmp-dev after doing *sudo apt install libgmp-dev* I get "The following packages have unmet dependencies: libgmp-dev : Depends: libgmp10 (= 2:6.1.2+dfsg-1) but 2:6.1.2+dfsg-2 is to be installed" Any help? More details here; https://askubuntu.com/q/1030203/43253
[17:27] <nacc> jack3: but it's fine, `lsof /home/<username>/`
[17:27] <jack3> no switches is what you asked for, with that line
[17:27] <jack3> what would you like, now?
[17:27] <nacc> jack3: i've asked a few times for `lsof /home/<username>`
[17:27] <nacc> marcanuy: what version of ubuntu?
[17:27] <jack3> jack3: lsof /home/<username>/   <<<  with or without the trailing /   ?
[17:28] <nacc> jack3: don't think it should matter
[17:28] <jack3> ok
[17:28] <jack3> brb
[17:28] <marcanuy> nacc, artful
[17:28] <youtah> Any ideas when the do-release-upgrade will work for 18.04?
[17:28] <nick1234> hi, I have a basic question... When i type sudo command in bash the sudo priviledges remain for next few minutes. what if i want to remove those after i am done wiht my command?
[17:28] <JimBuntu> youtah, July 26th?>
[17:28] <youtah> it seems no one knows. It is a mystery
[17:28] <nacc> jack3: also, the +L1 thing was wrong, I think -- that shows open unlinked files. But not just open files.
[17:28] <nacc> youtah: are you on 16.04?
[17:28] <youtah> JimBuntu, please tell me you're yanking my chain
[17:29] <ducasse> !releasenotes | youtah
[17:29] <youtah> I have some at 17.10
[17:29] <jack3> nacc:  the +L1 thing...  found it several times with google.  oh well
[17:29] <jack3> brb with pastebin for you
[17:29] <DJones> youtah: Release notes say it will be a few days after release for 17.10, but not specified
[17:29] <nacc> youtah: they are working on some upgrade bugs, iirc
[17:29] <nacc> youtah: it will be available when it is.
[17:29] <MonkeyDust> youtah  as said, july 26th https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule
[17:29] <youtah> ah, thanks nacc DJones
[17:29] <jack3> nacc:  http://paste.tclhelp.net/?id=6e0i
[17:30] <nacc> marcanuy: apt-cache policy libgmp10
[17:30] <nacc> jack3: is it any different if you do /home/ahad/* ?
[17:30] <nacc> jack3: (just wondering)
[17:30] <jack3> will check
[17:30] <marcanuy> nacc, I've already executed that, here is the output https://askubuntu.com/q/1030203/43253
[17:31] <Gargravarr> nacc: maybe easier just to pipe through grep?
[17:31] <pavlos> nick1234: https://itsfoss.com/change-sudo-password-timeout-ubuntu/
[17:32] <youtah> heh, I have seeded 9.4GB of the 18.04 Desktop so far
[17:32] <jack3> nacc:  http://paste.tclhelp.net/?id=6e0j
[17:32]  * youtah <3's his datacap free, unlimited, Gigabit up/down fiber optics internet connection at home with his WAN to LAN Gigabit router. 
[17:32] <nacc> youtah: please stay ontopic, chitchat elsewhere
[17:33] <nacc> marcanuy: not what i asked for.
[17:33] <nick1234> pavlos, thanks use ful link. But I dont want ot change the default timeout. I want to 'un sudo' the bash on some rare incidents
[17:33] <nacc> marcanuy: you provided policy for libgmp-dev, not libmp10
[17:33] <nacc> *libgmp10
[17:33] <marcanuy> nacc, updated ;)
[17:33] <nacc> marcanuy: you manually installed a package from bionic.
[17:33] <nacc> marcanuy: which is a rather sad mistake to make
[17:34] <nacc> marcanuy: sudo apt-get install libgmp10=2:6.1.2+dfsg-1
[17:34] <nacc> marcanuy: then run your other command.
[17:34] <pavlos> nick1234: you can use sudo -k
[17:34] <jack3> nacc:  you caught my last post with pastebin link?
[17:35] <marcanuy> nacc, I've had upgraded to bionic when it was in development mode, then downgraded it back to artful.. my mistake, but everything seemed to work fine until now
[17:35] <nacc> marcanuy: you *cannot* downgrade releases
[17:35] <Gargravarr> ^
[17:35] <nick1234> pavlos: thanks thats exactly what i wated
[17:35] <nacc> marcanuy: you have to reinstall, downgrades are wholly unsupported
[17:35] <Gargravarr> marcanuy: for exactly this reason, it causes a LOT of pain
[17:35] <nacc> jack3: yeah, it did't help -- what about `du -h --max-depth=1` from the user's home dir
[17:35] <jack3> ok
[17:36] <marcanuy> Gargravarr nacc, I've just learnt that the hard way..
[17:36] <Gargravarr> some people simply have to ;)
[17:36] <nacc> marcanuy: you can try the command I gave, but that implies there are other things that you have broken and won't notice until you need to
[17:36] <jack3> nacc:  oh that.  I think it was Gargravarr that asked about that.    .znc/  is the dir where are the consupmption is.    want a pastebin?
[17:36] <nacc> jack3: yes please
[17:36] <exarkun> I let Package Manager install some updates and rebooted.  Now I have no IPv6 and the sound knob on my keyboard doesn't work.
[17:37] <marcanuy> nacc, I'm curious, how did you realize It was using a bionic package if the cache policty command says using artful?
[17:37] <jack3> nacc:  http://paste.tclhelp.net/?id=6e0k
[17:37] <nacc> marcanuy: because rmadison told me what is in bionic
[17:37] <nacc> jack3: rm -rf .znc ?
[17:37] <nacc> jack3: do you need that directory?
[17:37] <jack3> of course
[17:38] <nacc> jack3: ok, delete the others
[17:38] <jack3> that's his conf, etc. of his bouncer
[17:38] <jack3> other what?
[17:38] <jack3> dirs?
[17:38] <nacc> jack3: why would the conf of a bouncer be 500M?
[17:38] <jack3> it's not
[17:38] <nacc> jack3: use better software.
[17:38] <jack3> the log files in there, are
[17:38] <nacc> jack3: ok, delete all the log files?
[17:38] <jack3> He wants to keep some
[17:38] <jack3> I've deleted well over 50M so far
[17:38] <mattfly> how can i install pyqtwebkit on ubuntu 18.04 /
[17:38] <mattfly> for python 2
[17:38] <jack3> I need some elbow room, to work
[17:39] <nacc> jack3: delete more
[17:39] <jack3> it is not recognizing that files were deleted
[17:39] <nacc> jack3: i think -- i am really not sure
[17:39] <nacc> jack3: no, it says you have some disk space, but not enough
[17:39] <jack3> nacc:  ok
[17:39] <jack3> it does?
[17:39] <nacc> jack3: i wonder if you are low on inodes
[17:39] <isene> Running update-manager but 18.04 does not show up as an alternative to install. Why?
[17:39] <jack3> nacc:  inodes?
[17:40] <jack3> it says you have some disk space, but not enough  << where?   I see 0%
[17:40] <nacc> jack3: look at the actual numbers
[17:40] <jack3> where?  direct me
[17:40] <nacc> jack3: in your pastebin where you see 0%
[17:40] <nacc> jack3: df -i, please
[17:40] <nacc> isene: what version are you running?
[17:40] <jack3> in your pastebin where you see 0% << right.  it says 0%
[17:41] <nacc> jack3: and look at the *actual* numbers, not the percentage value (which is derived)
[17:41] <marcanuy> nacc, rmadison is great didn't know about it. Your suggestion worked thanks a lot
[17:41] <nacc> marcanuy: yw
[17:41] <nacc> mattfly: python-pyqt5.qtwebkit ?
[17:41] <marcanuy> nacc, one more thing, do you know if upgrading again to bionic will prevent the other possible incompatibilities to happen?
[17:41] <jack3> nacc: are you trying to say   size 4.9G   and   used 4.7G  ?
[17:41] <nacc> jack3: yes.
[17:41] <mattfly> qt 4
[17:41] <nacc> mattfly: not supported in 18.04, i don't think
[17:42] <jack3> nacc: ok
[17:42] <jack3> nacc:   http://paste.tclhelp.net/?id=6e0l
[17:42] <mattfly> i need qt4 for qgis openlayers plugin on qgis
[17:42] <nacc> mattfly: then use 16.04
[17:42] <mattfly> haha i wont switch ubuntu just for that Oo
[17:42] <Pwnna> where's the .Xauthority file in Ubuntu 18.04
[17:42] <mattfly> isnt there a workaround?
 nacc: are you trying to say   size 4.9G   and   used 4.7G  ?  << honestly, I don't remember now, if they were both 4.9G  before I deleted some files.
[17:42] <isene> nacc: I'm running 17.10
[17:43] <tac_> Hi all. Is there a command line tool for querying which version of a shared library you have in your link path?
[17:43] <nacc> isene: upgrades will be offered once the upgrades are free of some critical bugs
[17:43] <sere_> how do i install gksu in 18.04
[17:43] <nacc> tac_: in your link path or your load path?
[17:43] <tac_> err
[17:43] <isene> nacc: Ah, OK. ETA?
[17:43] <nacc> isene: for 17.10, soonish
[17:43] <tac_> Yeah. Basically, which version of the library gets linked to at runtime
[17:43] <tac_> is what I want to know
[17:43] <nacc> tac_: runtime doesn't do linking...
[17:44] <nacc> tac_: you mean loading :)
[17:44] <tac_> It's a fancy linking in my mind. But I'll try to use the right terminology :)
[17:44] <nacc> tac_: ldd on a binary
[17:44] <nacc> tac_: will show you what library will get loaded for all dynamic loaded libraries -- it will miss things that are dlopened, of course
[17:45] <tac_> Yeah, I vaguely remember that command. I guess that also suggests that binaries can request particular versions, can't they.
[17:45] <tac_> I guess I'm actually looking to find all versions of a library installed.
[17:45] <nacc> mattfly: there is libqtwebkit4 but no python bindings, afaict
[17:45] <jack3> nacc:  you caught that last post of a pastebin link?
[17:45] <pavlos> sere_: you should use pkexec ... gksu not in bionic
[17:45] <tac_> I can search the path manually for .so.* files I suppose
[17:46] <sere_> pavlos: ahh ok thanks
[17:46] <nacc> tac_: well, they would be linked to specific ABI requirements (SOVERSION/SONAME)
[17:46] <pavlos> sere_: https://madebits.github.io/#blog/2018/2018-04-24-Gksu-Is-Dead-Long-Live-Pkexec.md
[17:46] <nacc> tac_: you can search the various possible paths, which may or may not be in the LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[17:46] <nacc> tac_: why do you want to do this?
[17:47] <nacc> jack3: yeah you're fine on inodes
[17:47] <nacc> jack3: and you're sure znc is dead?
[17:47] <jack3> I didn't even google to find out what inodes is.  heh
[17:47] <tac_> nacc, I'm trying to automate the querying of which versions of cuda, cudnn, and a few other libs we have installed on various boxes
[17:47] <jack3> nacc:   this is less than a minute old:      http://paste.tclhelp.net/?id=6e0m
[17:48] <nacc> tac_: how are you installing them?
[17:48] <tac_> which may (frustratingly) have been installed in different ways
[17:48] <nacc> tac_: ah
[17:48] <tac_> yeah :(
[17:49] <nacc> jack3: what about ps aux ?
[17:49] <jack3> will do.  one moment
[17:49] <jack3> 9 tons of sh*t.    ok to do   ps aux |grep znc  ?
[17:49] <nacc> tac_: i mean, it seems fragile. What if someone puts the libs in their home dir and sets LD_LIBRARY_PATH manually?
[17:49] <jack3> 9 tons of sh*t.    ok to do   ps aux |grep username   ?
[17:49] <nacc> jack3: ok
[17:49] <jack3> sorry
[17:50] <jack3> pick one
[17:50] <nacc> jack3: well, i want to know if znc is running
[17:50] <jack3> 9 tons of sh*t.    ok to do   ps aux |grep znc  ?   << this one then?
[17:50] <nacc> jack3: yes
[17:50] <tac_> nacc, yeah. This is why I was hoping there might, by chance, be a command that let me pretend like it was a simple task :)
[17:50] <tac_> but if not, no worries. I might still be able to make use of ldd for this
[17:51] <jack3> nacc:  http://paste.tclhelp.net/?id=6e0n
[17:54] <jack3> nacc:  ok?
[17:54] <nacc> jack3: why not just make a snapshot of the VM and then trash it?
[17:55] <jack3> I don't know if he's interested in that.   I figured that it was some simple thing,  to get linux to recognize free space
[17:55] <jack3> and, with google,  it seems like it is a common thing.   it's just that what I found, doesn't apply
[17:56] <nacc> tac_: check `ldconfig -p` ?
[17:56] <jack3> so I figured that there is some trick to it... and presto.. here I am.   :)
[17:56] <nacc> jack3: have you disabled znc from starting on reboot?
[17:56] <jack3> and.. by trash it... if you mean to simply delete everything...   by all indications,  we'd still be right where we are...  no available space.
[17:56] <tac_> oooooh nacc thanks!
[17:56] <tac_> That one is worth writing down
[17:57] <jack3> nacc> jack3: have you disabled znc from starting on reboot?  <<< my guess is that it was never enabled,  since it has not come back.
[17:57] <nacc> jack3: have you rebooted since you clearedout the 50M or so of files?
[17:57] <jack3> nacc: he's gone home from work..  way diff time zone..  I won't be able to talk to him until tomorrow.
 jack3: have you rebooted  <<<  now?    am not root
[17:57] <jack3> how*
[17:58] <nacc> jack3: this VM has never been rebooted?
[17:58] <jack3> nacc:  ever?     beats me
[17:58] <nacc> jack3: I feel like something is missing here, some critical bit of information
[17:58] <nacc> jack3: then reboot it the way they do normally
[17:58] <jack3> nacc:  I agree
[17:58] <nacc> jack3: honestly, this doesn't seem like worth support time :)
[17:58] <jack3> nacc:   I doubt he has a "normal" way to reboot it.
[17:58] <nacc> and I've got other stuff to do now
[17:58] <jack3> he just has a shell there
[17:58] <jack3> nacc> jack3: honestly, this doesn't seem like worth support time :)  <<< really???
[17:59] <nacc> jack3: right, a shell on a system where he possibly has filled up the disk of the system (if that is what you have been asserting). and is unwilling to delete files in order to free up space
[17:59] <jack3> wrong
[17:59] <nacc> jack3: or wants to keep 'some' files, which is the same as being unwilling
[17:59] <jack3> wrong again
[18:00] <jack3> e he possibly has filled up the disk   <<<  did that,  and thats why I've deleted a bunch of files
[18:00] <jack3> and that space is simply not being recognized
[18:00] <jack3> and is unwilling to delete files in order to free up space  << already did a lot of that
[18:00] <jack3> that's why I'm here
[18:00] <jack3> :)
[18:00] <exarkun> gsd-media-keys says "unable to get default sink" and volume knob on keyboard now does nothing... what's up?
[18:00] <isene> Posted this also to #dragonflybsd, but wondered if anyone here could have some input; Have been thinking about trying out DragonflyBSD for some time. Got a few hours of spare time. Running Ubuntu 17.10 on a Dell XPS15 currently. Did download the live USB image ( dd if=dfly-x86_64-5.2.0_REL.img of=/dev/sda1 ) and the boot sequence is set to DragonflyBSD as #1 and Ubuntu as #2 - but it boots straight into
[18:00] <isene> grub/Ubuntu. Any debugging tips?
[18:01] <jack3> nacc: if you have some number in mind...   10M ?     I'll go find that much in files, and delete it,  and we can see if that makes a difference
[18:02] <jaga__> jageesh
[18:03] <jack3> nacc:  so... are you done?
[18:03] <nacc> jack3: what fs is this?
[18:03] <nacc> jack3: filesystem, i mean
[18:03] <jack3> nacc: don't know.  tell me how to check
[18:03] <nacc> jack3: mount
[18:03] <jack3> brb
[18:03] <jack3> tons of stuff... is there a line for me to look for?
[18:04] <nacc> jack3: you're hitting the reserved space on the disk (~5%), i think, which is reserved for root
[18:04] <nacc> jack3: well, the disk you care about, of course
[18:04] <jack3> how do I know which that is?
[18:04] <nacc> jack3: ... df -h told you what disk is full
[18:05] <jack3> is this it?   from   df -h   /dev/vda1       4.9G  4.7G     0 100% /
[18:05] <jack3> ok
[18:05] <jack3> nacc:    /dev/vda1 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered)
[18:05] <jack3> from    mount
[18:05] <jack3> is that enough?
[18:05] <nacc> jack3: yes, ext4 reserves 5% as i said
[18:05] <nacc> so you haven't cleared up enough space
[18:05] <jack3> how much more do you figure?
[18:05] <nacc> jack3: i don't know
[18:05] <jack3> how do I figure it?
[18:05] <mattfly> is there a way i can install and hold the old pyqt4 from xenial on bionic?
[18:06] <jack3> 5 % of what?
[18:06] <nacc> jack3: you can drop the -h flag from df, delete some files,sync;sync and see if the disk usage goes down
[18:06] <nacc> jack3: the filesystem size
[18:06] <nacc> mattfly: no.
[18:06] <mattfly> heh why not?
 jack3: the filesystem size  << how do we get that?
[18:06] <nacc> mattfly: not in a supported way
[18:06] <nacc> jack3: ... the size from df?
[18:06] <mattfly> im not looking for supported ways?
[18:06] <nacc> jack3: you are asking some *very* basic sysadmin questions
[18:07] <nacc> mattfly: this is the official support channel
[18:07] <jack3> nacc:  good.  I'm not a sysadmin.
[18:07] <jack3> ok..  one moment..  will be right back
[18:07] <nacc> jack3: as in, i dont' have time to handhold you on what a filesystem is, which is what in effect i'm doing right now
[18:08] <jack3> what channel do you recommend, that might be able to assist with this?
[18:08] <nacc> jack3: honestly, delete some files, see if you actually free space, you'll probably need to free a relatively significant amount
 jack3: honestly, delete some files,  <<<  I have.     Other times, other places,  when this happens,  even deleteing a tiny amount, and it recognized, instantly.
[18:09] <jack3> give me a min, and I'll delete some more.  brb
[18:09] <nacc> jack3: when you've been at the full filesystem limit?
[18:09] <jack3> yes
[18:09] <nacc> jack3: see if the file you deleted was open, see if anything is writing to the disk, etc.
[18:09] <zzz> hi. im having trouble with php7.2 on ubuntu 16.04, my /run/php/php7.2-fpm.sock file is missing
 jack3: see if the file you deleted was open,  <<< I think this is where we started
[18:10] <nacc> zzz: php7.2 is not supported on 16.04
[18:10] <jack3> the stuff I found with google,  I tried, and found nothing
[18:10] <jack3> see if anything is writing to the disk,  << how?
[18:10] <nacc> jack3: iotop
[18:10] <nacc> jack3: or other similar tools
[18:10] <jack3> iotop is not installed
[18:11] <nacc> jack3: also, you don't know if there is someting trying to log something as /var/log/... which is filling up disk as you free it
[18:11] <nacc> jack3: as i've said a few times, not being root might make this unsolveable
[18:11] <jack3> wouldn't the numbers returned with   df -h  show that?
[18:11] <nacc> jack3: what do you mean?
[18:12] <oerheks> man df, humanly readable
[18:12] <jack3> which is filling up disk as you free it  <<<   wouldn't the free space shown with df -h   trend down, if soemthing was constantly filling it?
[18:12] <nacc> jack3: not if you're at 0 free
[18:12] <nacc> jack3: if you're at 0 free, and the moment you free disk, something consumes it, you would just always see 0 free...
[18:12] <acetakwas> How do I privately share a 15MB text file professionally? (Their email server has a policy preventing sending a file of this size.)
[18:12] <jack3> that 4.7G used wouldn't go back up?
[18:12] <nacc> jack3: no, as i said, that's the maxium you can use (if you're not root)
[18:12] <jack3> ok
[18:13] <nacc> jack3: the 5% remaining is reserved
[18:13] <nacc> acetakwas: not really an ubuntu support topic?
[18:13] <WeirdTolkienishF> you guys use ubuntu server? we use it here at work
[18:13] <jack3> then I wonder how it ever got into that 5%
[18:13] <jaga__> hi this is jageesh
[18:13] <WeirdTolkienishF> works awesome
[18:13] <pavlos> acetakwas: push it to some cloud and share from there
[18:13] <nacc> jack3: what? it didn't
[18:13] <jaga__> i m having a doubt
[18:13] <acetakwas> nacc::  Sorry for the off-topic
[18:13] <nacc> WeirdTolkienishF: do you have a support topic?
[18:13] <acetakwas> pavlos::  Could you suggest one?
[18:13] <WeirdTolkienishF> no just wondering
[18:13] <jack3> nacc:   then if nothing can use it,  then nothing is using it
[18:13] <jaga__> that .iso file is not in the whonix
[18:14] <pavlos> acetakwas: google drive, AWS, ...
[18:14] <nacc> jack3: you are at the limit of usable disk space for your user. You delete some files, and at the same time, some *other* process writes to somewhere else on the filesystem. You never free up space on the disk.
[18:14] <nacc> jack3: what aren't you understanding?
[18:14] <jack3> nacc:  just removed 34M of files.  no change
[18:14] <nacc> jack3: did you check without -h ?
[18:15] <jack3> check the 34M  or the free space?
[18:15] <nacc> WeirdTolkienishF: we don't do polling here
[18:15] <jaga__> yooo hoo
[18:15] <zzz> nacc: i see. thanks
[18:15] <nacc> jack3: what? run df without -h.
[18:15] <nacc> jack3: what .iso file and what is 'whonix'?
[18:15] <jack3> ok... and... ?
[18:15] <oerheks> weltall, #ubuntu-server
[18:15] <nacc> jack3: sorry not for your
[18:15] <jack3> np
[18:15] <nacc> jaga__: what .iso file and what is 'whonix'?
[18:15] <WeirdTolkienishF> ty oerheks
[18:15] <oerheks> WeirdTolkienishF ^^ join #ubuntu-server
 jack3: what? run df without -h.  <<<   and... ?
[18:15] <jaga__> hi nacc
[18:16] <nacc> jack3: and, as i said before, see whether the actual bytes changed when you removed files
[18:16] <nacc> jack3: -h is rounding so its readable
[18:16] <WeirdTolkienishF> nacc was just trying to make friendly conversation?
[18:16] <acetakwas> pavlos::  I don't know if it's professional to share the Google spreadsheet link to the document.
[18:16] <nacc> WeirdTolkienishF: not the point of this channel.
[18:16] <nacc> WeirdTolkienishF: this is just for support
[18:16] <jack3> nacc:  so you now want me to :    take a reading with  df ,   delete something,   take another reading
[18:16] <jack3> is that it?
[18:16] <pavlos> acetakwas: that's up to you.
[18:16] <nacc> jack3: right, which i think i suggested before; also make sure to run sync;sync after the deletion
[18:16] <WeirdTolkienishF> are you an op, nacc?
[18:17] <nacc> WeirdTolkienishF: no
[18:17] <jack3> brb
[18:17] <jaga__> .iso file is not found in whonix os well we all has .iso file in linux os but instead of that .voc file is available in whonix  can any one eloborate to me
[18:17] <WeirdTolkienishF> This is an outrageous response, nacc
[18:17] <nacc> jaga__: what is whonix? this is the channel for ubuntu support, not random questions. Did you maybe want ##linux?
[18:17] <nacc> WeirdTolkienishF: what is?
[18:17] <WeirdTolkienishF> absolutely outrageous
[18:17] <WeirdTolkienishF> disgraceful
[18:18] <nacc> WeirdTolkienishF: perhaps you are overreacting to something, or misunderstanding. Chitchat goes elsewhere.
[18:18] <jaga__> ooops sorry guys
[18:18] <pavlos> jack3: "df | grep vda" will give you one line like, 76370716 6676304  65771880  10% / as you delete files the second # (used) will drop.
[18:19] <leftyfb> WeirdTolkienishF: please take idle chat to #ubuntu-offtopic. This channel is for support requests only. If your question is specific to Ubuntu server, you might be best served joining #ubuntu-server
[18:19] <gpap_> switched to kubuntu, ubuntu didn't work for me, still many bugs :( Was nessecary to switch into sddm too, gdm didn;t start plasma and asked me a mysterious keyring login
[18:19] <leftyfb> gpap_: the keyring login should just be your users login
[18:19] <jack3> nacc:
[18:20] <jack3> :/dev/vda1 5128864 4819520 30896 100% /
[18:20] <jack3> damm
[18:20] <jack3> : /dev/vda1 5128864 4854984 0 100% /
[18:20] <jack3> : /dev/vda1 5128864 4819520 30896 100% /
[18:20] <nacc> jack3: i don't know what the value was before, so that isn't particularly useful
[18:20] <nacc> ah ok
[18:20] <nacc> jack3: so you have some free now, but not enough to really be useful
[18:20] <jack3> du -h  before deletion said that it was 35M of files, for what that is worth
[18:20] <gpap_> leftyb: maybe
[18:21] <jack3> nacc:  tried    nano abc        ...  errors out.. no free space
[18:21] <jack3> same thing... the system is not recognizing the newly freed space
[18:21] <nacc> jack3: yes it did ... it freed up space. Possibly not sufficient space
[18:21] <nacc> jack3: you havve 30k free now or so?
[18:21] <jack3> to save a file less than 1K  ?
[18:22] <mint> i want to fuc with someone girls
[18:22] <leftyfb> !op | mint
[18:22] <nacc> jack3: err, 30M rather
[18:22] <pavlos> mint: wrong channel
[18:22] <mint> fuck you guys
[18:22] <nacc> jack3: well, saving the file is different, nano also needs to run, etc.
[18:22] <nacc> jack3: i am not at your computer, i'm going off what you have pasted
[18:22] <leftyfb> mint: yes, you are right. You can /part now. Goodbye.
[18:22] <jack3> :  /dev/vda1       4.9G  4.6G   31M 100% /    <<< this says so, yes.       that's new
[18:23] <mint> ok bye
[18:23] <jack3> I used nano real quick, just as a quick test, is all
[18:24] <jack3> hey...  NOW nano will write
[18:24] <jack3> now it shows the free space
[18:24] <jack3> oh...  and I forgot  sync sync
[18:24] <jack3> dammit
[18:24] <jack3> should I do that, now?
[18:25] <jack3> nacc : any need to use  sync sync   now?
[18:26] <jack3> nacc:  ok..  I guess you are gone.
[18:26] <jack3> nacc:  thank you for your time
[18:26] <exarkun> gsd-media-keys says "unable to get default sink" and volume knob on keyboard now does nothing... what's up?
[18:26] <jack3> nacc: I appreciate it
[18:27] <kostkon> exarkun, ps -A | grep -i pulseaudio
[18:30] <exarkun> kostkon: two processes running
[18:32] <kostkon> exarkun, both 'pulseaudio'?
[18:32] <acetakwas> Just occurred to me I could compress the document, which I ended up doing. Thanks
[18:32] <exarkun> kostkon: yes
[18:33] <exarkun> `/usr/bin/pulseaudio --daemonize=no` and `/usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog`
[18:33] <kostkon> exarkun, ps -fA | grep -i pulseaudio   it will show the owner
[18:33] <exarkun> one gdm, one my user
[18:34] <exarkun> since you mentioned pulseaudio, I searched system log for pulseaudio, https://gist.github.com/exarkun/c2a4b4b470937f62f4bdec779de5cf10
[18:34] <exarkun> the timestamp is approximately the time I last rebooted
[18:34] <kostkon> exarkun, i'm not sure if that's normal on the newer gnome shell based releases? probably it is
[18:38] <nacc> jack3: sync;sync would have avoided the race with nano
[18:39] <exarkun> kostkon: nor I :/
[18:40] <nacc> kostkon: exarkun: yes, normal
[18:40] <nacc> i believe one is so the greeter can do sounds
[18:41] <kostkon> exarkun, can you access your audio settings without problems?
[18:42] <arooni> question; i have this in my /etc/fstab; and while i can mount it manually with sudo mount /media/HardDriveArooni i would like it to be automatic on system bootup... ideas? \\192.168.1.1/Main /media/HardDriveArooni cifs guest,uid=1000,iocharset=utf8,dir_mode=0777,file_mode=0777,gid=1000,vers=1.0 0 0
[18:42] <exarkun> kostkon: yes.  and audio is playing right now, too.  I just can't change volume with this media key.
[18:43] <_cc> I'm having a really frustrating issue; I can't seem to be able to blacklist drivers (latest ubuntu) relevant paste at: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tB5fJsC6bR/
[18:44] <Gargravarr> _cc: does nvidiafb show in 'lsmod | grep nvidiafb' ?
[18:44] <_cc> Gargravarr: nope
[18:44] <kostkon> exarkun, although that error in the log is not encouraging also could be related to the instance started by gdm and your user instance
[18:45] <Gargravarr> _cc: then it blacklisted successfully :) lsmod shows you all currently loaded kernel mods
[18:45] <Gargravarr> i would guess lspci is showing the associated mods
[18:45] <MosesParts> help! my right click isn't working on linux 18
[18:46] <MosesParts> i need it to add new accounts to thunderbird
[18:46] <Kon-> Is it weird to be missing /etc/default/grub? Fairly new install of 18.04
[18:46] <Gargravarr> MosesParts: given your earlier posts, please don't expect urgent help
[18:47] <Kon-> I'm trying to figure out why I boot into text mode, and I'm wondering if that file missing is the reason
[18:47] <erle-> my Thinkpad X60 is 5 degrees cooler with 18.04 :)
[18:47] <erle-> on average
[18:47] <nacc> arooni: add 'auto' ?
[18:47] <nacc> arooni: actually, wait, you'd need a bit more
[18:48] <nacc> Kon-: yes, it's weird
[18:48] <pavlos> Kon-: did you do a fresh install?
[18:48] <arooni> nacc: say auto and _netdev
[18:48] <arooni> ?
[18:48] <nacc> arooni: yeah
[18:48] <Kon-> pavlos: Yes
[18:48] <MosesParts> Gargravarr: excuse me?
[18:49] <nacc> arooni: although not sure if that's still how it's done, you might want to look at `man sytemd-mount` and create a unit for it
[18:49] <arooni> nacc: thanks :)
[18:50] <Kon-> Is there a way I can force the creation of a new /etc/default/grub?
[18:50] <theseb> help! shell puzzle....I defined E="-i /home/cs/.ssh/etcplanet.pem cs@etcplanet.org" in .zshrc...however...when I do ssh $E I get the following error... Warning: Identity file  '/home/cs/.ssh/etcplanet.pem' cs@etcplanet.org not accessible: No such file or directory. It is behaving like it is *ignoring* the quotes around the PEM file and taking entire $E as the -i arg..why?
[18:50] <Gargravarr> Kon-: it should be in /usr/share/grub/default/grub
[18:52] <Kon-> Thanks Gargravarr. Is this a functional copy, or do I need to create one in /etc/?
[18:53] <nacc> theseb: can you use a pastebin?
[18:53] <Gargravarr> Kon-: that should be the file that APT would install. you should be able to just copy it into /etc/default/ and it'll work
[18:53] <nacc> theseb: the actual messages and line breaks matter here
[18:53] <pavlos> Kon-: make a copy to /et/d/grub
[18:53] <Kon-> Alright, thanks
[18:53] <_cc> you need to update-grub afterwards
[18:53] <pavlos> Kon-: size is 1237 bytes
[18:54] <theseb> nacc: ok...sec
[18:54] <pavlos> Kon-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6FqPbDdwGh/
[18:55] <theseb> nacc: https://pastebin.com/DXLst3Qc
[18:56] <_cc> Gargravarr: btw, thanks for the help!
[18:57] <nacc> theseb: what if you do ssh "$E" ?
[18:57] <theseb> nacc: hey..good idea!..sec
[18:57] <Burek> hi, i have a question. if i start installing xubuntu and i tick option to remove win10, will i need rescue tool after it to completely remove win10?
[18:57] <theseb> nacc: same error :/
[18:57] <Burek> or will the installation do it's magic
[18:57] <nacc> theseb: also I don't use zsh, but does it have an echo mode (e.g., set -x)
[18:58] <EriC^> Burek: if you choose erase disk and install ubuntu it will completely obliterate windows
[18:58] <nacc> theseb: also, why are you quoting the path?
[18:58] <Burek> so, i will be able to boot into xubunut w/o any problems?
[18:58] <Burek> xubuntu*
[18:58] <EriC^> Burek: of course not in a forensic kind of way, the data will still physically be there
[18:59] <EriC^> yeah sure Burek
[18:59] <theseb> nacc: i tried w/ and w/o quoting the -i arg
[18:59] <nacc> theseb: ok, i would do it without quotes for sure, as it makes more shell-sense to me
[18:59] <Burek> i see, i see. thanks eric
[19:00] <theseb> nacc: say..set -x may have given a clue....ssh '-i '\''/home/cs/.ssh/etcplanet.pem'\'' cs@etcplanet.org'
[19:00] <theseb>  
[19:00] <Gargravarr> EriC^: "completely obliterate windows" <-- seal of approval :)
[19:01] <nacc> theseb: right, so it's being given a quoteds tring
[19:01] <nacc> *string
[19:01] <MosesParts> Gargravarr: excuse me?
[19:01] <EriC^> Gargravarr: :D
[19:01] <theseb> nacc: w/o quotes this looks interesting... ssh '-i /home/cs/.ssh/etcplanet.pem cs@etcplanet.org'
[19:01] <theseb> nacc: set -x shows that quotes are messed up
[19:01] <nacc> theseb: yeah
[19:01] <theseb> nacc: is ssh doing that?
[19:01] <theseb> the mangling of quotes?
[19:01] <nacc> theseb: how are you assigning to E?
[19:01] <nacc> theseb: no.
[19:01] <EriC^> Burek: np
[19:01] <nacc> theseb: set doesn't know what ssh is
[19:02] <theseb> nacc: in .zshrc like so.. E="-i /home/cs/.ssh/etcplanet.pem cs@etcplanet.org"
[19:02] <theseb> nacc: is that bad?
[19:03] <BionicMac> 'dpkg -L name-of-installed-package' shows me a list of files in that package on my system. How can I see a list of files on a package that is not installed? Without downloading it.
[19:03] <BionicMac> From command line.
[19:05] <nacc> BionicMac: apt-file
[19:05] <BionicMac> nacc: thank you kindly.
[19:07] <BionicMac> nacc: apt-file is a handy dandy tool!
[19:07] <nacc> theseb: seems fine, bash does this as you expected
[19:07] <nacc> theseb: so i assume it's a zsh quirk and i'd read `man zsh`
[19:08] <nacc> theseb: also, you may want to make a more flexible command, e.g. sshplanet as a function which calls ssh -i /home/cs/.ssh/etcplanet.pem to whatever server
[19:08] <nacc> theseb: or wrap the whole thing
[19:09] <theseb> nacc: this works....fwiw.. E=( "-i" "/home/cs/.ssh/etcplanet.pem" "cs@etcplanet.org" )
[19:09] <theseb> nacc: ever seen such a beast? freaky!
[19:09] <exarkun> kostkon: fwiw I rebooted and media buttons (and other keyboard shortcuts) now work
[19:10] <kostkon> exarkun, interesting. are you still getting that error
[19:10] <exarkun> kostkon: and those same pulseaudio errors still appear in the log
[19:10] <exarkun> (so I guess they're irrelevant)
[19:10] <kostkon> exarkun, yep
[19:10] <exarkun> now to figure out what happened to ipv6 :/
[19:10] <theseb> exarkun: wait..is that the one and only exarkun of Twisted fame?
[19:12] <exarkun> theseb: if "fame" is the word
[19:12] <exarkun> theseb: seb..erino?
[19:14] <theseb> exarkun: yes!....few years ago dash said you had moved to Maryland iirc to work on a farm
[19:14] <theseb> exarkun: i thought that meant no IT
[19:14] <theseb> exarkun: yet here you are
[19:14] <theseb> exarkun: i didn't picture you as a farmer..so I was confused
[19:14] <exarkun> That did happen (but not Maryland)
[19:14] <cbreak> damn chinese gold farmers...
[19:14] <cbreak> they are everywhere
[19:15] <exarkun> Still on a farm (co-owner now) but software pays better
[19:16] <theseb> exarkun: still doing Twisted? what's your lastest fascination if not that?
[19:17] <exarkun> theseb: learning Haskell (on purpose) and OCaml (by accident) these days, working on security/privacy stuff
[19:17] <leftyfb> exarkun: theseb: can we take this to a private chat or at the very least, #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:17] <exarkun> yea, sorry
[19:21] <commanderkeen> im cross compiling a project on a 64bit machine for a 32bit and it requires linux headers. i know for the 64bit I did apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` , but how would I do this for the 32bit headers?
[19:21] <nacc> commanderkeen: headers are not bitsized
[19:21] <nacc> commanderkeen: headers are source files
[19:22] <beterraba> Guys, what is the purpose of the letters -I or -L before a path?
[19:22] <hal9000_> how do you copy the address bar in 18.04 file explorer (nautilus)?
[19:22] <nacc> beterraba: ... it completely depends on the context
[19:22] <beterraba> Like in 'OPS_INC   = -I$(OPS_INSTALL_PATH)/include '
[19:22] <commanderkeen> nacc: im not sure what you are really getting at. should I just grab the linux source code from kernel.org ?
[19:23] <cbreak> hmm... does ubuntu 18.04 support boot off of zfs natively by now?
[19:23] <cbreak> with older incarnations that wasn't supported by the installer
[19:24] <nacc> beterraba: it depends on how OPS_INC is used, not how its defined
[19:24] <nacc> commanderkeen: no
[19:24] <cbreak> doesn't seem like it does :(
[19:24] <nacc> commanderkeen: if you need the headers, install the headers package as you did
[19:24] <exarkun> So .. what controls whether NetworkManager (or something?) asks for/gets/assigns an ipv6 address?  What controls whether `lo` is also an ipv6 loopback interface?
[19:24] <exarkun> (17.10)
[19:25] <cbreak> 0.5k block size drive? :(
[19:28] <nacc> cbreak: i believe it's still only for data storage, not the main disk. MAAS and curtin can do zfs as root for cloud/VM images, though
[19:28] <cbreak> I'm reading https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/Ubuntu-18.04-Root-on-ZFS at the moment, seems to be a similar procedure as previously
[19:29] <cbreak> and not well supported indeed :(
[19:29] <JPSman> Hey ya'll.  I just updated to beaver, and my systemd-resolved and my dnsmasq are hogging my processor, and hammering my local network.  What is going on?
[19:29] <cbreak> JPSman: wireshark? :)
[19:29] <seattledavid_> Sublime Text 3 consistently freezes on 18.04 if I use CTRL+O or CTRL+S. This doesn't help: https://www.sublimetext.com/docs/3/revert.html. Firefox sometimes randomly freezes too. Where/how should I start to troubleshoot?
[19:29] <cbreak> well, I guess that's not a tool for user debugging :/
[19:30] <JPSman> cbreak, I'll give that a shot.
[19:31] <debouncer> [18.04] there is a bug in gui, i suppose. When I open console application, application icon appears on app's bar partially
[19:31] <debouncer> check out https://imgur.com/a/Yvbysy6
[19:32] <JPSman> cbreak, yeah i'm getting a stupid loop between 127.0.0.1 and 127.0.0.53 DNS
[19:32] <JPSman> I don't know how to read wireshark packets though
[19:33] <cbreak> weird... it should show you between which ports. Maybe you can see with lsof -i which processes are listening on them
[19:34] <cbreak> lsof -i -n -P
[19:37] <JPSman> brb
[19:45] <d33tah> hi! is there a channel dedicated to 18.04 problems?
[19:45] <pavlos> this channel
[19:45] <d33tah> my motherboard's gpu doesn't have xorg running on it anymore
[19:45] <d33tah> it only works with the nvidia one I have
[19:46] <d33tah> boot logs get displayed, then when lightdm starts i only get blinking cursor on mobo gpu
[19:46] <TabMasher> Hey there folks.  Question: How do I associate a program to be opened by default by a given type of file?  Example: I want JPG image to be opened in XnViewMP by default.
[19:46] <jluc> hello
[19:46] <jluc> is there some replacement for the "drawer" utility in new 18.04 ?
[19:46] <d33tah> any idea who to ping to help me debug this?
[19:47] <ioria> d33tah, 18.04 does not use lightdm
[19:47] <jluc> i couldnt find any replacement to "drawers" for 17.10
[19:47] <d33tah> ioria: it's what I installed before
[19:47] <pavlos> TabMasher: use FileManager, select jpg, properties, open with
[19:47] <d33tah> ioria: my guess is that it's not a lightdm issue, but more of a xorg setup one
[19:48] <ioria> d33tah, cat /etc/issue
[19:48] <d33tah> ioria: Ubuntu 18.04 LTS \n \l
[19:48] <ioria> d33tah,  dpkg -l | grep lightdm
[19:48] <TabMasher> pavlov: Thank you.  So if I open a jpg image from Chrome, it will open with the program I selected in the file manager?
[19:49] <d33tah> ioria: ii  lightdm                                         1.26.0-0ubuntu1                              amd64        Display Manager
[19:49] <ioria> d33tah,  you used   do-release-upgrade -d   ?
[19:49] <d33tah> ioria: yup
[19:49] <pavlos> TabMasher: no b/c you used chrome
[19:49] <ioria> d33tah,  borked (so far)
[19:49] <d33tah> ioria: awesome. so, restore backups?
[19:50] <pavlos> TabMasher: if you double click an image it will look for the app you set to open with
[19:50] <ioria> d33tah,  wait .... uname -r
[19:50] <d33tah> ioria: 4.15.0-20-generic
[19:50] <ioria> d33tah,  dpkg -l | grep gdm
[19:50] <d33tah> ioria: ii  gdm3                                            3.28.0-0ubuntu1                              amd64        GNOME Display Manager
[19:51] <flotwig> is there a way to move the tray icons to the dock and remove the top bar in GNOME 3.28.1? ubuntu 18.04
[19:51] <ioria> d33tah,  can you open a console ?
[19:51] <d33tah> ioria: yup, it does work with the pcie gpu
[19:52] <d33tah> ioria: it just didn't initialize my mobo gpu, which i prefer to use
[19:52] <d33tah> it 17.10 i could just use mobo gpu and have games rendered to its hdmi using pcie gpu
[19:52] <d33tah> in*
[19:52] <ioria> d33tah,  can you paste  sudo lshw -c Video ?
[19:52] <d33tah> ioria: https://pastebin.com/qD1gK6GA
[19:53] <TabMasher> pavlos: I'm looking to set a default program where, if I select a jpg file to be opened by any program, it will use the set default program.  Right now it defaults to opening JPG files in "Ristretto"
[19:53] <ioria> d33tah,  try  sudo dpkg-reconfigure  gdm3
[19:53] <TabMasher> Like double clicking in different file managers, or opening files in chrome.
[19:54] <d33tah> ioria: and switch to gdm3 as opposed to lightdm?
[19:54] <ioria> d33tah,  yes
[19:54] <d33tah> [21:52:43] ➜  profound  sudo dpkg-reconfigure  gdm3
[19:54] <d33tah> gdm.service is not active, cannot reload.
[19:54] <d33tah> invoke-rc.d: initscript gdm3, action "reload" failed.
[19:54] <d33tah> ioria: /\
[19:54] <pavlos> TabMasher: any program takes priority over default setting.
[19:55] <ioria> d33tah,  sudo apt update &&  sudo apt full-upgrade
[19:55] <ledeni> flotwig, something like this https://imgur.com/a/8KBVSri
[19:55] <d33tah> ioria: done, but it only really affected my LAMP setup
[19:56] <d33tah> reconfigure still fails
[19:56] <ioria> d33tah,  your lamp ?
[19:56] <TabMasher> pavlos: I'd just like to know how to set which program is the default program.
[19:56] <d33tah> ioria: linux apache mysql php
[19:56] <flotwig> ledeni, not quite, i want to get rid of the top bar, and have the tray icons in my dock?
[19:56] <ioria> d33tah,  i know what lamp is ...
[19:56] <d33tah> ioria: i mean it hadn't touched other pkgs
[19:57] <pavlos> TabMasher: I mentioned earlier, look at your File Manager, select the file, set open with ...
[19:57] <d33tah> ioria: anyway, i tried reconfiguring gdm3 again and had the same error msg, even after removing lightdm. will try to purge
[19:57] <TabMasher> Why would chrome open files with "ristretto", and how can I change it so it uses another program?  (XnViewMP to be specific.)
[19:57] <ioria> d33tah,  correct me ... your problem is that you cannot login in graphic mode , right ?
[19:57] <flotwig> ledeni, https://i.imgur.com/CrvvPZC.jpg right now i have this, just wanna keep the left dock from Dash to Dock with the tray icons from the top right
[19:57] <d33tah> ioria: yes, i'm just saying that update cmd hadn't touched anything graphics related
[19:57] <flotwig> is it even possible in gnome?
[19:58] <ioria> d33tah,  sudo service lightdm stop
[19:58] <d33tah> ioria: afk for a minute then ;)
[19:59] <ioria> d33tah,  sy have to go, other can help ... gl
[20:00] <d33tah> unfortunately ioria's suggestion to switch to gdm3 didn't solve my problem with motherboard gpu not being initialized
[20:01] <pavlos> TabMasher: maybe you set chrome to use xnview to open jpg -- that's a chrome issue, you can do similar with FF
[20:01] <d33tah> does anybody have any other suggestions or know who to ping / which channel could help me debug this?
[20:01] <amharris> Hi, folks.  A buddy of mine update to the last pre-release of 18.04 about a week ago, but due to apparent issues with NVIDIA drivers, it prevented GNOME from starting.  However, due to this upgrade, a Live USB won’t allow for an upgrade.  I recall seeing some instructions on how to update the installation that’s on disk, as he couldn’t get network access in recovery, but can’t find them any more.  Could someone point me in the right
[20:01] <amharris>  direction of how a forced upgrade could be carried out [just a dist-upgrade for what’s on disk]?
[20:01] <ibeekman> I have a machine at work that a colleague built and configured that is fairly exotic: 2 raid arrays, an NVIDIA Tesla K20, an NVIDA GTX 960, and an ASUS P9X79WS mother board. My colleague left us to go work for ARM, and I seem to have touched a setting in the BIOS or something that prevents the machine from booting. I desperately need someones help because I have wasted a day and a half on this, and all my other colleagues are on the
[20:01] <ibeekman> other side of the country. Here is the boot debug info before I tried to fix grub etc. : http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pW4VvfVq5W/
[20:04] <ledeni> flotwig, settings -- dock -- change to autohide -- bottom and for topbar install gnome-shell-extension-autohidetopbar and set wiyh gnome-tweak-tool ( install to if not have)-
[20:04] <ibeekman> I *can* now boot to a live USB. The error that I was getting was something about 'text' mode, but I've spent a ton of time googling for similar issues and have probably made the problem worse by now.
[20:05] <flotwig> ledeni, that doesn't put the tray icons in the dock tho
[20:05] <flotwig> which is pretty much what i want to do
[20:06] <PacMan> hello
[20:07] <ibeekman> Any help for ideas on how to trouble shoot this issue would be *very* appreciated
[20:07] <cbreak> ibeekman: you don't want to reinstall the OS?
[20:08]  * cbreak stays far away from hardware raids because they are way too fragile
[20:08] <ibeekman> I could, but I would like to do it in such a way that it preserves home directories, configs etc.
[20:09] <ledeni> flotwig, if you want put new icon just open and click with right mouse button and add to favourites
[20:09] <ibeekman> cbreak: also it would be great if I did not have to figure out how to reconfigure all the exotic HW from within the OS again
[20:09] <cbreak> restoring from backups is not an option either?
[20:09] <ibeekman> i.e. the Tesla K20 (or maybe K40)
[20:09] <ibeekman> well it might be
[20:10] <ibeekman> it was setup to use duplicity which I have no experience with
[20:10] <ibeekman> for backups
[20:11] <flotwig> ledeni, tray icons are the icons in the top right corner
[20:11] <flotwig> whatpulse, caffeine, hexchat, sound...
[20:11] <flotwig> i want to put those on the dock, where the launchers are
[20:11] <flotwig> and i want to hide the top bar
[20:11] <flotwig> in pursuit of screen real estate
[20:13] <ledeni> flotwig, sorry but can'i do it but you can hide with gnome-shell-extension-autohidetopbar
[20:13] <ibeekman> cbreak: when I boot from the recovery menu, is there a default root password or something?
[20:13] <enissay> May I have assistance on: From folder A I need to move .txt files ONLY to folder B while renaming them (insert fixed string _STR_ after 8th char. Any guidance is much appreciated as my bash skills are quite limited :x
[20:13] <ibeekman> I thought ubuntu randomized root pwd and just used sudo for everything
[20:14] <cbreak> sudo isn't enough?
[20:14] <flotwig> ledeni, not your fault :p think it's possible in GNOME? maybe i could write some extension
[20:14] <cbreak> (with sudo -s or similar)
[20:15] <ibeekman> cbreak: it says "Give root password for maintenance (or press control-D to continue)"
[20:15] <scwizard> is it safer to use a this ppa in ubuntu or debian or equivalently safe/dangerous for both? https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php
[20:17] <MonkeyDust> scwizard  that's more for #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:17] <ibeekman> enissay: I think I can help you
[20:19] <vavkamil> hello
[20:19] <enissay> ibeekman: I'm all ears :-)
[20:20] <vavkamil> testing new LTS right now, on login screen, there is "ubuntu" or "ubuntu on wayland", but both options are same?
[20:20] <RedNifre> Hi.
[20:20] <RedNifre> Any recommendations regarding the file system for an external hard drive? Still ext, or are things like btrfs etc. usable now?
[20:20] <RedNifre> (Haven't formated a HDD in years)
[20:21] <nacc> vavkamil: no, they use different windowing servers (xorg and wayland)
[20:21] <nacc> vavkamil: they will *look* the same, but they are very different
[20:21] <ibeekman> for txtfl in A/*.txt; do mv "${txtfl}" "B/${txtfl:0:8}_STR_${txtfl:8}" ; done # untested!
[20:21] <pavlos> RedNifre: if linux, ext4 ... if other, ntfs
[20:21] <RedNifre> I plan to reinstall Ubuntu, should I pick the current LTS or wait for 18.04.1? (When will that one come out? Are they still doing those?
[20:21] <nacc> scwizard: well, it's an Ubuntu PPA -- and it's not supported here, so not a matter of 'safer'
[20:21] <vavkamil> nacc, ohh ok, I just want the old look from 16.04
[20:22] <nacc> vavkamil: not really possible with 18.04
[20:22] <ibeekman> enissay: see above, but please test to double check
[20:22] <RedNifre> pavlos alright, ext4 it is then.
[20:22] <enissay> ibeekman: thanks, I'm making a test files to test it out
[20:22] <sere_> lsusb
[20:22] <RedNifre> You can choose between wayland and xorg? Isn't wayland a better replacement for xorg? Why choose which?
[20:23] <sere_> oops
[20:23] <Skaface82> RedNifre: arraprently wayland isnt as compatible with existing applications
[20:23] <Skaface82> thats what I read anyway
[20:23] <ibeekman> enissay: there may be an off-by-1 error there. I know the sub-string indexing starts at 0. Also, I always forget the precise semantics of globbing and quoting. I think that it should work, and feel even more confident if your file names don't have spaces and other weird things
[20:26] <vavkamil> I just hate that there isn't a top bar anymore with settings
[20:26] <nacc> RedNifre: wayland is  tech preview still
[20:26] <vavkamil> also I would like to remove trash icon from desktop
[20:26] <pavlos> install gnome-tweak and unclick it from there
[20:26] <nacc> vavkamil: --^
[20:26] <vavkamil> and maybe move "close minimize maximize" buttons to left
[20:26] <nacc> vavkamil: also tweakable, i think
[20:26] <vavkamil> ok thank you guys
[20:27] <ibeekman> enissay: let me know how you make out
[20:38] <enissay> ibeekman: sure, i just finished creating hierarchy & test files... will keep you updated
[20:45] <BionicMac> Hello, Does anyone know if a realtime kernel is available for 81.04? I found a lowlatency 'apt-cache search linux-lowlatency' reveals the package. Although the same search for 'linux-realtime' proves empty.
[20:45] <BionicMac> s/81.04/18.04/
[20:46] <elvin_presler> Hello. Has anyone figured out a good way to deal with gksu being gone? Some programs do not work with "program-name admin://" and some still create menu shortcuts with commands like "gksu system-config-samba" and will not start. Changing them to use -pkexec also does not work.
[20:50] <epinky> anyone with experience in log formats? what's this log format named? 66.249.75.197:54147 - - [24/Apr/2018:17:15:51 -0400]  "GET / HTTP/1.1" 302 349 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)" "-"
[20:50] <enissay> ibeekman: paths are long and different locations, however the substring operates on the whole path instead of only the filename... Can you help tackle that ? also, I'm running it from a bash.sh file, so I don't really need a one line solution
[20:51] <ikla> I installed ubuntu and I'm not getting a login prompt
[20:51] <ikla> I can ssh to the machine
[20:52] <ikla> just shows /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root on screen
[20:52] <ibeekman> enissay: sure, but I can only type so much in an IRC window... :-)
[20:53] <guardian> hello I have a quick question. With a fresh PC, I just installed Windows 10 and now I'm installing 18.04
[20:53] <guardian> I noticed Windows 10 created a 520MB partition formatted as NTFS, and a 100MB partition for EFI
[20:53] <enissay> Ouch, yea indeed xD
[20:53] <guardian> now I chose to install Ubuntu along side Windows. What will the installer do?
[20:53] <guardian> I guess it can't reuse the 520MB NTFS partition as /boot
[20:54] <ibeekman> for txtfl in A/*.txt; do file=$(basename "${txtfl}"); mv "${txtfl}" "B/${file:0:8}_STR_${file:8}" ; done # untested!
[20:54] <guardian> will it create another ~500MB partition for /boot ?
[20:54] <ibeekman> enissay: ^
[20:55] <thinky> when will any update come for 18.04 ?
[20:56] <thinky> i dont know why but i feel it is not smooth
[20:56] <thinky> maybe gnome tweak tool?
[20:56] <riotz> try wayland
[20:57] <riotz> but it wont work with nvidia drivers
[20:57] <irwiss> hmm is /etc/hosts entry for "127.0.0.1 guest" an ubuntu default or did some program put it there?
[20:58] <riotz> and yes theres also gnome tweak tool
[20:58] <riotz> you can disable animations there ;)
[20:59] <thinky> i disabled but still it doesnt feel smooth
[20:59] <thinky> and i feel it sucks ram
[20:59] <thinky> 3/8gb of ram is being used
[21:00] <riotz> thats a lot
[21:00] <riotz> let me close my browser for you
[21:00] <thinky> ok
[21:00] <thinky> i closed firefox too
[21:00] <riotz> ive got 2.62 here
[21:00] <enissay> ibeekman: Works like a charm... However one extra change for ease of use later: Extract long path and put in vars such as srcFolder = "/home/enissay/A" & destFodler="/dev1/xxx/yyy/zzz/B"... which I ddid but then fail at concatenation to create the full correct path (I know, it's lame :x)
[21:00] <thinky> now ram usage is 2.10gb / 8gb
[21:01] <riotz> yeah well..i dont think you can go much lower with gnome
[21:01] <thinky> why not?
[21:01] <thinky> is gnome tweak tool causing this?
[21:02] <thinky> around 13-15% cpu usage as well
[21:03] <riotz> besides of that not all of that ram you see in the resource manager as used is realy used
[21:03] <riotz> open a terminal and type "free -h"
[21:03] <riotz> i'm down to 1.4 gb now with closing my pdf reader aswell
[21:03] <sere_> besides system information how can i tell if my usb drives are using 2.0 or 3.0?
[21:03] <thinky> used 2.1 free 2
[21:04] <transhuman> hi is it possible to change from udev when using ubuntu 18
[21:04] <riotz> thinky, maybe try a wayland session then
[21:04] <thinky> swap 7.6g used 0 why?
[21:04] <riotz> i had the same feeling after of smoothness after updating 2 days ago and spend half of my night to get wayland working again
[21:05] <riotz> ignore the first after in this sentense :D
[21:05] <thinky> i like traditional ubuntu look
[21:05] <thinky> wayland doesnt look ubuntu
[21:05] <kostkon> transhuman, what do you mean exactly
[21:05] <riotz> thinky, its the same look
[21:05] <thinky> show me example?
[21:05] <thinky> never used wayland
[21:06] <riotz> you exchange xorg for wayland
[21:06] <transhuman> not sure I am thinking that some other system than udev might show up an error to explain why the desktop has so many problems
[21:06] <riotz> gnome on top which is doing the design stuff makes everything look the same
[21:06] <riotz> no change
[21:06] <riotz> apt-get install wayland
[21:06] <cbreak> this is the year of linux on the server.
[21:07] <thinky> i have this look now ; https://scontent.fbtz1-9.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/31502996_1936913806639096_5875970716439937024_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=461178a3c186eb6b6adec8eac12dd81a&oe=5B98FAA6
[21:07] <riotz> on login screen select the wayland session
[21:07] <thinky> can i remove after testing?
[21:07] <riotz> yes
[21:07] <riotz> it just registers another session
[21:07] <thinky> riotz: did u see my screenshot?
[21:08] <thinky> i would like that look
[21:08] <riotz> thinky, it will stay the same
[21:08] <kostkon> transhuman, what problems
[21:08] <thinky> hmm
[21:08] <thinky> E: Unable to locate package wayland
[21:08] <riotz> uhm maybe it was xwayland
[21:08] <riotz> let me check
[21:09] <riotz> yeah
[21:09] <riotz> apt-get install xwayland
[21:09] <riotz> make sure you have no nvidia gfx card
[21:09] <thinky> what about xorg?
[21:09] <thinky> riotz: i have intel graphics integrated
[21:10] <riotz> https://4bds6hergc-flywheel.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/switch-wayland-xorg.jpeg
[21:10] <riotz> on login screen select the wayland session
[21:11] <thinky> brb then..
[21:11] <thinky> exit
[21:11] <riotz> i dont remember if the naming is still the same on 18.04
[21:11] <riotz> this is from 17.10 but you will figure out.. one will say xorg or wayland
[21:12] <enissay> ibeekman: Done, I had a bad copy/cat
[21:12] <enissay> :o
[21:13] <vavkamil> it says "ubuntu" and "ubuntu on wayland"
[21:13] <riotz> hehe.. yeah that was my guess.. naming got changed a bit
[21:13] <tac_> Speaking of Xorg and Wayland, I have a general windowing question. We have a product with a UI running on Linux. If we want to lock down the system so we basically have a single full-screen application with nothing else accessible, what's an appropriate platform/library to target?
[21:14] <thinky> back
[21:14] <thinky> there were 2 options -ubuntu - ubuntu on wayland
[21:14] <thinky> i chose -ubuntu on wayland
[21:14] <tac_> I get the feeling we would just want to run X without a window manager
[21:14] <thinky> i dont feel any difference at all
[21:14] <riotz> hmm
[21:14] <thinky> what is the difference and advantages?
[21:15] <thinky> it is exactly same look and nothing changed
[21:15] <riotz> wayland is the new bread.. whereas xorg is like 15 years old and a big mess like a lot of devs call it
[21:16] <thinky> i dont see the difference
[21:16] <riotz> but some things are not verry well supported on wayland now.. like vnc and desktop sharing
[21:16] <thinky> how can i realise?
[21:16] <riotz> on skype etc
[21:16] <thinky> 1.78gb ram usage now
[21:16] <riotz> echo $DESKTOP_SESSION
[21:16] <nacc> tac_: you mean a kiosk-like mode?
[21:17] <riotz> yeah well.. at least we saved a couple mbs
[21:17] <thinky> $ echo $DESKTOP_SESSION
[21:17] <thinky> ubuntu-wayland
[21:17] <jluc> "ubuntu" here
[21:17] <thinky> jluc: using gnome tweak tool?
[21:17] <tac_> nacc, yep
[21:17] <jluc> sometimes yes
[21:18] <thinky> i am trying to find out if gnome tweak tool causing system slow down and lack of smoothness
[21:18] <jluc> as for DE and settings, i never know what is related to what
[21:18] <UserUS> thinky: use the top command to see resources being used by processes
[21:18] <vavkamil> thinky, I', experiencing this too
[21:18] <sere_> does the xserver-xorg-video-radeon driver support opengl by default.. seems i have none
[21:18] <MosesParts> Who would win in a fight? ubuntu or the borg?
[21:18] <thinky> UserUS: i am using htop
[21:18] <transhuman> anyone able to take a look at these errors. http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RyBH44Nt8b it appear its caused by the tmp file system at the top. any idea how to fix?
[21:19] <UserUS> thinky: compare the memory usage to your available memory
[21:19] <tac_> In general, the Linux graphics stack is very large and it's something I would like to know more about.
[21:19] <morgan_> hola
[21:19] <nacc> tac_: i think that is in and of itself a supported model already, just fyi -- google around a bit
[21:19] <thinky> UserUS: 1.89gb usage of 7.86gb ram
[21:19] <MonkeyDust> thinky  https://askubuntu.com/questions/11537/why-is-wayland-better
[21:19] <nacc> transhuman: what error?
[21:19] <thinky> 7.60
[21:20] <vavkamil> seems like my CPU and memory is OK, but it it's that smooth
[21:20] <transhuman> in the list the one about dead tmp at the top
[21:20] <nacc> transhuman: it says it's inactive, it doesn't necessarily mean an error
[21:20] <transhuman> tmp.mount not found inactive dead
[21:20] <nacc> transhuman: do you actually have a distinct /tmp mount configured?
[21:20] <thinky> vavkamil: yea i dont feel smooth either
[21:20] <jluc> but i have an issue that could be related to DE : all icon-buttons have disapeared off LibreOffice ribbon
[21:21] <UserUS> thinky: Just for gnome-tweak-tool or overall?
[21:21] <thinky> just for gnome tweak tool by now
[21:21] <nacc> transhuman: actually describe your problem, not what you think youa re doing to diagnose it
[21:21] <thinky> i feel like it ruins the original feel
[21:22] <UserUS> thinky: yeah, that is high, have you tried unity tweak tool?
[21:22] <thinky> but i dont like original look
[21:22] <thinky> UserUS: unity tweak tool on gnome? O.o
[21:22] <thinky> never thought
[21:22] <thinky> i am on 18.04 atm
[21:22] <nacc> UserUS: unity-tweak-tool is irreleant on 18.04
[21:22] <nacc> *irrelevant
[21:22] <transhuman> I am looking for clues why the desktop hangs with all desktops except gnome3 and even that doesnt behave nicely (hangs but actually loads desktop)
[21:22] <riotz> thinky, maybe change your theme on the tweak tool?
[21:22] <UserUS> nacc: I have 16, so care to explain why?
[21:22] <thinky> riotz: i dont like to play with themes that much
[21:23] <nacc> transhuman: what do you mean by 'hangs'? what version of ubuntu? what changed
[21:23] <thinky> i just wanted to move top bar to the bottom that s all
[21:23] <nacc> UserUS: unity was the default in 16.04 (not "16")
[21:23] <thinky> with dash to panel extension
[21:23] <riotz> pft
[21:23] <nacc> UserUS: gnome is the default in 18.04
[21:23] <transhuman> ubuntu 16.04 17 and 18 3 version upgrades to try and rapare
[21:23] <riotz> its linux dude.. its made to be played with :D
[21:23] <UserUS> thinky: that is built into appearance settings, no tweak tools needed
[21:23] <transhuman> repair*
[21:23] <vavkamil> I'm using "auto-hide" the dock and it's definitely not that smooth as I'm used too from 16.04
[21:23] <jluc> https://askubuntu.com/questions/942140/icons-missing-from-libreoffice-toolbars?utm_medium=organic&utm_source=google_rich_qa&utm_campaign=google_rich_qa helped me to fix LibreOffice non displayed buttons
[21:23] <UserUS> nacc: that means nothing, you can use both. mine has unity and gnome tweak tool
[21:23] <nacc> transhuman: so you were on 16.04 and your desktop stopped working?
[21:23] <thinky> UserUS: i cant see that in appearance
[21:23] <transhuman> yeah ran out of hard drive space
[21:23] <transhuman> its in a vm
[21:24] <thinky> i mean top bar which date time showing
[21:24] <thinky> to the bottom
[21:24] <nacc> UserUS: that is true under unity
[21:24] <thinky> not dashboard
[21:24] <nacc> UserUS: but under gnome, there is no unity tweaking, as there is no unity
[21:24] <UserUS> thinky: https://askubuntu.com/questions/966927/how-to-shift-side-bar-ubuntu-dock-to-bottom-on-ubuntu-17-10-and-later
[21:24] <thinky> k
[21:25] <nacc> transhuman: are you still trying to fix this? I feel like it's been at least weeks. Just reinstall
[21:25] <UserUS> nacc: so install the dependencies? or is 18 different in some way
[21:25] <nacc> UserUS: what?
[21:25] <tgm4883> UserUS: 18.04 doesn't use Unity anymore
[21:25] <nacc> UserUS: unity is not installed by default and not use by default in 18.04 (again, not "18")
[21:25] <nacc> UserUS: it's a rather different desktop experience than 16.04
[21:25] <thinky> UserUS: i am not talking about dock / dash board. i am talking title bar - top bar
[21:25] <UserUS> nacc: yes, but it can be. or did they take that away?
[21:26] <nacc> UserUS: why would you install unity?
[21:26] <UserUS> thinky: the top bar you have to change your theme
[21:26] <transhuman> I know I am just stubborn, I seem like I am finding possible causes every time I am just about to give up
[21:26] <nacc> UserUS: it's not the default is all I said. You can install whatever you want of course, but that's not the point here.
[21:26] <thinky> instead changing theme i used tweak tool
[21:26] <thinky> dash to panel extension
[21:26] <nacc> transhuman: I think you're wasting your time )
[21:26] <nacc> :)
[21:26] <transhuman> tmp file system seems like a reasonable cause
[21:26] <transhuman> ok
[21:26] <nacc> transhuman: you can look at `systemctl status tmp.mount`, but i doubt it will help you much
[21:26] <UserUS> nacc: gotcha, no worries, I was more shocked the idea it couldn't be used lol
[21:26] <nacc> transhuman: unless your disk is still full?
[21:26] <transhuman> ok thanks
[21:27] <riotz> another extension i can recommend is unite
[21:27] <riotz> verry usefull on a notebook
[21:27] <nacc> UserUS: it just wouldn't do anything by default (and is not installed) -- i imagine if you installed it, it would add unity, but then you're not running the default desktop and sort of on your own
[21:27] <tgm4883> UserUS: it's not that it can't be used. nacc was stating that installing it wouldn't do anything. It would be like installing kde-tweak-tool on gnome
[21:27] <tgm4883> sure you can do it, but don't expect much
[21:27] <UserUS> yeah, not much, just little stuff
[21:28] <thinky> riotz: what does it make?
[21:28] <nacc> UserUS: it wouldn't do anything on 18.04
[21:28]  * tgm4883 still sees that as pointless, but goes back to his Budgie install
[21:29] <UserUS> nacc: idk, I have 16 and I can use it to change certain things like windows animations that gnome can't
[21:29] <nacc> UserUS: right, only true on 16.04
[21:29] <nacc> UserUS: your 16.04 experience is irrelevant to a fresh 18.04
[21:29] <riotz> thinky, Unite is a GNOME Shell extension which makes a few layout tweaks to the top panel and removes window decorations to make it look like Ubuntu Unity Shell.
[21:29] <nacc> UserUS: and *again* not "16", but 16.04. That is important, please use the correct version number.
[21:29] <tgm4883> UserUS: You can use unity tweak tool to change unity settings? Color me surprised
[21:29] <UserUS> well now you're both just getting snippy. peace
[21:30] <thinky> riotz: how can i install it?
[21:30] <riotz> thinky, https://extensions.gnome.org
[21:30] <riotz> install browser extension for your browser then search unity and install that from the webinterface
[21:31] <thinky> riotz: sudo apt install gnome-shell-extensions
[21:32] <riotz> uhm yes right.. i dont have install instructions for each and every app in top of my head
[21:32] <thinky> another thing. how can i disable transparency of the dash board?
[21:33] <riotz> no clue.. maybe with dconf-editor
[21:34] <vavkamil> idk If I like gnome yet
[21:35] <riotz> vavkamil, try the window snapping where you can arrange two windows on one screen
[21:35] <riotz> you'll like gnome after that! ;P
[21:36] <thinky> ohh cpu is burning
[21:37] <thinky> wayland?
[21:37] <thinky> around 50-51%
[21:37] <thinky> 9 tabs open in firefox and 3 terminal
[21:37] <riotz> by which process?
[21:38] <riotz> someone is mining monero on your firefox probably
[21:39] <thinky> what s that?
[21:39] <riotz> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=monero
[21:39] <thinky> brb
[21:40] <thinky> lol
[21:48] <enissay> for a cronjob, to run every 2 minutes, is it [2 * * * *] or [*/2 * * * *]  ?
[21:48] <cbreak> 2 means "exactly at 2"
[21:49] <cbreak> so it's the second :)
[21:49] <enissay> aha, I thought so, thanks <3
[21:50] <cheakoirccloud> I'm the chanop for ##ubuntu-install a channel dedicated for assistance with installing ubuntu.  Please come populate this channel and assist new users with their installs.
[21:51] <Sven_vB> my other computer's screen went to standby, how do I find what made it do so? via SSH, I can still see the screen connected in xrandr, and "xscreensaver-command: screen blanking is currently disabled."
[21:53] <Sven_vB> it blanked earlier, too, and woke up on mouse movement.
[21:53] <Sven_vB> so it's probably some power management mechanism that I missed
[21:55] <cbreak> Sven_vB: sounds normal. The screen should enter standby if it's not used
[21:55] <cbreak> no point wasting energy on heating up the planet more :)
[21:55] <Sven_vB> cbreak, well, I'd like to deactivate that. :)
[21:56] <cbreak> ...
[21:56] <Sven_vB> yeah except when you need build status displayed on the wall
[21:56] <cbreak> just turn it off unless something failed... :P
[21:56] <Sven_vB> or any other kind of mission control
[21:56] <cbreak> I use xset dpms 300 300 300
[21:57] <cbreak> that makes x sleep after 300 seconds
[21:57] <cbreak> the man page for that thing shows what else you can do
[21:57] <Sven_vB> how do I query the current values for those numbers?
[21:57] <Sven_vB> (couldn't find that in the man page)
[21:58] <Sven_vB> oh, it's probably part of "xset q"
[21:58] <cbreak> I have that in my i3 config
[21:58] <Sven_vB> it says DPMS (Energy Star):¶  Standby: 7200    Suspend: 7200    Off: 14400¶  DPMS is Disabled
[21:58] <cbreak> so I never bothered to check what the defaults are
[21:59] <blazeme8> On bionic, If I rapidly press F11 to take firefox into/out of fullscreen mode, my gnome-shell crashes/freezes. Does this happen for anyone else?
[21:59] <Sven_vB> so the blanking probably isn't about dpms
[22:01] <Sven_vB> seems it was xscreensaver after all, I just misunderstood what xscreensaver-command meant with "blanking".
[22:01] <riotz> blazeme8, i cant reproduce that here
[22:06] <vavkamil> I love the extensions
[22:06] <duckx0r> I currently have 17.10 installed however when I do `do-release-upgrade` it says "No new release found." What could be causing this?
[22:07] <vavkamil> duckx0r, you must wait couple of months for that
[22:07] <kosta__> Hey All
[22:08] <kosta__> I'm having issues with my res after 18.04 update. I can't change it from 1024 * 768
[22:08] <kosta__> can someone please share some insight
[22:08] <duckx0r> vavkamil, Oh... I thought it was as soon as it was released.
[22:08] <Sven_vB> kosta__, do you have xrandr installed?
[22:08] <tgm4883> duckx0r: not a few months, but probably sometime this week
[22:09] <duckx0r> tgm4883, Ah, thanks.
[22:09] <kosta__> I would say yes
[22:10] <vavkamil> Upgrades from 16.04 LTS will not be enabled until a few days after the 18.04.1 release expected in late July.
[22:10] <vavkamil> Upgrades from 17.10 will not be enabled until a few days after 18.04's release.
[22:11] <Sven_vB> kosta__, have you tried using xrandr to add a mode and then set that mode for some output?
[22:11] <kosta__> Sven_vN, when checking terminal for xrandr i get the following message
[22:11] <kosta__> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[22:13] <Sven_vB> kosta__, is that the only message?
[22:13] <kosta__> sorry, no.
[22:13] <kosta__> Screen 0: minimum 1024 x 768, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 768
[22:13] <kosta__> default connected primary 1024x768+0+0 0mm x 0mm
[22:13] <kosta__>    1024x768      76.00*
[22:14] <pisymbol> Has anyone seen the 17.10 “do-release-upgrade” tool hang with “Reading cache” when it is iniitally started? CPU spikes to 100% too.
[22:14] <pisymbol> This is 17.10->18.04 LTS
[22:14] <pisymbol> 3376 root      20   0  270020  32944  15656 R 100.3  0.1   5:36.89 bionic
[22:15] <Sven_vB> kosta__, maybe you need other graphics card drivers. check the "additional software" section of Ubuntu's update settings.
[22:16] <pisymbol> Does anyone know where do-release-upgrade sends any log messages? There is nothing in syslog.
[22:16] <pisymbol> Or apt/*.log
[22:17] <Exterminador> stupid question: I have a VPS (Ubuntu 16.04). is it possible to limit the amount of space a user can use in the /home/user/ dir?
[22:18] <pisymbol> Ok, found the log file.
[22:18] <pisymbol> @Exterminador: Why not use quota?
[22:18] <cbreak> Exterminador: zfs has per dataset quotas, if you use that
[22:18] <kosta__> Sven_vB, I'm currently using nvidia 390 drivers.
[22:19] <Sven_vB> kosta__, does it offer some others? then you could try them
[22:20] <kosta__> It did, I changed it to 390 which was the propriety tested one
[22:20] <kosta__> still nothing
[22:20] <pisymbol> @kosta__ what is your issue?
[22:20] <kosta__> pisymbol, resolution is stuck on 1024 x 768 after 18.04 upgrade from 17.10
[22:21] <pisymbol> Did you look at X.org log file?
[22:21] <pisymbol> “/var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[22:22] <Exterminador> pisymbol: I'll take a look at quota thing. thanks for the tip. cbreak, I'll check that too. I need to do some research
[22:23] <kosta__> pisymbol, what should I be looking for? I'm fairly new to Ubuntu
[22:29] <cli> Is their a way to get flash to work natively with Ubuntu 17.10 and Firefox?
[22:31] <cbreak> hahahahaha
[22:31] <cbreak> people still use that garbage? :O
[22:32] <cli> Yes it is for a community of computers that our employees use.
[22:32] <cbreak> and you want to enable them to get malware easier?
[22:33] <cbreak> maybe you could run that thing inside a vm... hmm...
[22:33] <cli> These computers are "use at your own risk"  and as they are not connected to our company network.
[22:34] <cbreak> probably best to use chrome or microsoft edge
[22:34] <tgm4883> cbreak: that's not really helpful to the situation
[22:35] <cbreak> firefox doesn't support that ancient legacy api for flash anymore
[22:35] <cbreak> and chrome bundles flash, and keeps it up to date
[22:35] <cbreak> at least I read they did that last year
[22:37] <cli> I work help desk at my job and my boss was wondering why the earlier versions of Ubuntu (17.10 and below) supported Flash natively.
[22:39] <kosta__> pisymbol, Sven_vB i sorted it
[22:39] <kosta__> I booted using the previous kernal, it worked, I restarted to the current one and it started working
[22:41] <tgm4883> cli: flash can work on current versions of firefox
[22:41] <cbreak> cli: https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2465543/mozilla-firefox-is-latest-browser-to-kill-off-adobe-flash-support
[22:41] <tgm4883> cli: you'd need to download and add it to the ~/.mozilla/plugins directory and then enable it
[22:42] <cli> Thanks at cbreak and tgm4883
[22:43] <cbreak> http://www.webupd8.org/2017/03/firefox-52-released-with-webassembly.html
[22:43] <cbreak> "However, there is a way to continue using NPAPI plugins in Firefox - use Firefox ESR (Extended Support Release) instead. The latest Firefox 52 ESR continues to allow using NPAPI plugins, and it is supported until May 2018."
[22:43] <cbreak> so you have... 1 day :D
[22:44] <cbreak> oh, wait, it's already may
[22:44] <vavkamil> just tell your boss that flash is deprecated
[22:44] <cbreak> too late
[22:44] <cli> Ahh geez lol
[22:44] <tgm4883> cbreak: flash still works in Firefox
[22:44] <tgm4883> cli: ^
[22:45] <cli> Thanks tgm I will try to get it to work here in a few moments and see if I can be successful.
[22:45] <tgm4883> cli: I would agree with the others though. You should be getting off of flash if possible.
[22:46] <cbreak> https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2017/07/25/firefox-roadmap-flash-end-life/
[22:46] <vavkamil> on the other hand, there it not much malware for ubuntu I guess
[22:46] <vavkamil> definitely wouldn't put flash on windows machine
[22:47] <cbreak> vavkamil: you sure?
[22:47] <tgm4883> cbreak: pick a date please. Either it's tomorrow, or 2020
[22:47] <cbreak> vavkamil: last time I installed it, I had some spyware amazon thingie in my toolbar
[22:48] <cbreak> tgm4883: the API flash uses is gone tomorrow apparently
[22:48] <cbreak> tgm4883: but adobe will continue to support it until 2020 it seems
[22:48] <tgm4883> cbreak: in Firefox 52 ESR. What does that mean for people on Firefox 59 ?
[22:48] <cbreak> tgm4883: long gone
[22:49] <cbreak> 52 is the last one that supports the netscape plugin api as far as I know
[22:49] <tgm4883> cbreak: so my firefox must be some sort of magical beast where I just tested it works?
[22:49] <cbreak> or it uses something other than the standard netscape API
[22:50] <cbreak> tgm4883: read the links :)
[22:50] <cbreak> I'm not a firefox dev
[22:50] <cbreak> I just repeat what I read there :)
[22:50] <tgm4883> cbreak: I just repeat what I read from the link you posted
[22:50] <tgm4883> Firefox 52 was released today and it includes two major changes: support for WebAssembly and the removal of support for NPAPI (Netscape Plugin API) plugins like Silverlight, Java, and others, with the exception of Flash.
[22:51] <cbreak> so, special api for flash as I suspected above
[22:51] <cli> This is the latest link I found for flash plugin for Firefox: https://websiteforstudents.com/installing-the-latest-flash-player-on-ubuntu-17-10/
[22:51] <tgm4883> cbreak: you suspected ;)
[22:52] <tgm4883> cli: that might work. I honestly haven't checked that, I just downloaded the flash player and dropped it in the directory, restarted firefox and enabled the plugin
[22:55] <cli> Yea I am taking a look at it but I maybe running into some trouble with it
[22:58] <transhuman> ok so this is my last ditch effort, how would i remove tmp.mount from (what I think is init.rd but I could be wrong)?
[23:03] <cli> I am looking at the ESR of Firefox to see if that will work with the fire fox plugin I downloaded
[23:06] <glowinthedarkCIA> Why is the gnome menu so slow to open?
[23:07] <glowinthedarkCIA> its choppy/laggy on all my hardware
[23:08] <classywhetten> Is there anything you've done inside of Gnome tweaks yet to try and fix it?
[23:08] <cli> I worked!
[23:08] <cli> *It worked!
[23:09] <glowinthedarkCIA> ubuntu is dead
[23:09] <glowinthedarkCIA> lol
[23:09] <glowinthedarkCIA> is the gnome shit for tablets or something?
[23:10] <ak_hepcat> Anybody know how i can try to get a package updated to a newer version due to security + bugfixes?  (pidgin )
[23:10] <classywhetten> ak_hepcat, is it a newer version than what's available in the repo?
[23:11] <classywhetten> you could try a combo of curl and sudo altinstall
[23:14] <ak_hepcat> yes, it's newer than the repo, and the old dev-ppa  isn't maintained anymore
[23:15] <classywhetten> which package is it? I can write you out a bash script
[23:16] <classywhetten> If it's pidgin they have a guide on their website on how to compile from source. From there you'd just need to make an altinstall
[23:17] <ak_hepcat> there's no  .deb's  for it, so it's a source-build.  never a fun time (though can be done) to deal with, especially WRT migrating from existing packages to source and back to packages.
[23:19] <eaglgenes101> I'm having a bit of a configuration issue with systemd services
[23:22] <classywhetten> ak_hepcat, have you submitted a bug report or gotten in touch with them via launchpad? there's dev packages for bionic and artful, but you just might need to submit a pull request
[23:22] <classywhetten> or a bug report
[23:23] <classywhetten> But I do see that the ubuntu packages are pretty far behind the source available on pidgin's website
[23:25] <eaglgenes> How do I make it so that a service indirectly started by a timer counting down from boot isn't counted as a boot process
[23:25] <ak_hepcat> yeah.   i'm trying to ressurect my U1 account from years of not using it and not having a good time remembering my email (oh, it knows my username, but can't log in with that!)
[23:25] <eaglgenes> systemd assumes it is one, which makes it that much more difficult to diagnose actual boot problems
[23:25] <eaglgenes> systemd-analyze says it's not done, even though I'm in the desktop environment
[23:26] <classywhetten> might be a better question for #systemd since it's not a distro specific problem
[23:27] <ELFrederich> how should I install Docker on the newest 18.04?  When I run `docker` on command line it prompts me to either `snap install docker` or `apt install docker.io` and to run `snap info docker` for additional versions
[23:27] <ELFrederich> which should I do?
[23:31] <classywhetten> I try to avoid snaps for things I want to move between devices. What does apt search docker give you in 18.04?
[23:38] <ELFrederich> classywhetten, docker.io/bionic 17.12.1-0ubuntu1 amd64
[23:39] <ELFrederich> that seems newer than the one in snap
[23:41] <classywhetten> ELFrederich: I would go with the docker.io then
[23:45] <eaglgenes> I'm having a bit of a problem getting any response from #systemd
[23:46] <eaglgenes> Seems to be almost dead there
[23:54] <Foofers> My 18.04 machine will not completely wake from suspend. The disks/fans spin up, but the screens remain blank. Anyone heard other complaints on this?