[02:46] <jrwren> wolfger is really getting into zen. nice, wolfger
[03:12] <cmaloney> that's really cool
[09:57] <wolfger> I'm who what now? :-)
[09:57] <wolfger> Morning!
[10:19] <wolfger> also: let me toss another +1 onto the Newsblur pile. That's been my rss reader since Google pulled the plug on Reader
[11:24] <hpucks> RIP reader
[11:24]  * hpucks poors out some coffee for Reader
[13:30] <waldo323> gmorning
[14:44] <Scary_Guy> morning
[16:12] <greg-g> I still hate Google because of that. It changed the fabric of the web :(
[16:14] <jrwren> Indeed.
[16:59] <Scary_Guy> there are much better reasons to hate Google :p
[17:10] <greg-g> it's in my top 5, definitely
[17:18] <waldo323> it is part of the pattern of creating something useful that people start to rely on then ending it without spinning it out on its own
[17:21] <waldo323> #1 reason not to get nest products, in fact any home automation/iot products should have a self serve option in case the creating company goes under, is unreachable, or the consumer wants to use a different option
[17:25] <jrwren> i just popped over to umich property dispo. I forgot how close it is and how much cool old junk they have.
[17:31] <jrwren> waldo323: +1
[17:32] <jrwren> and I work for a "smart home" company :)
[18:08] <cmaloney> jrwren: What sorts of stuff were they getting rid of?
[18:08] <jrwren> its a huge wearhouse.
[18:09] <jrwren> tons of old servers, microscopes, filing cabinets, desks, chairs, centrifuges, tables.
[18:10] <cmaloney> nice
[18:10] <greg-g> I'll take a microscope.
[18:10] <greg-g> Rowan and one of our neighbor boys of similar age have setup a "science lab" at his house. Both of their microscopes, rowan's chemistry set, etc. I love it.
[18:11] <greg-g> they're just mostly dying things and looking at them.
[18:13] <cmaloney> That's still pretty cool. Reminds me of when I did similar stuff
[18:20] <waldo323> I'm not against smart home companies, I do want to see them recognize that some people are willing to work/pay to keep their data more private/secure ... like only when I vpn to home can I make changes to things at home etc
[22:00] <Scary_Guy> IOT is scary insecure.  I kind of hate my Holmes heater for that reason.  It probably just sucks up data about the network and reports back to the mothership
[22:00] <Scary_Guy> personally, I want to see more security products focused on alerting the owner rather than paying a service to monitor your house for you
[22:00] <Scary_Guy> more open source stuff too