[00:21] <wzy> cc
[00:44] <pijama_boy> Does anybody know how to check nvidia settings with wayland?
[00:44] <pijama_boy> nvidia xserver doesn't open
[00:45] <LetterRip> hi all - trying to ugrade from artful and getting a huge number of 'broken' packages
[00:46] <LetterRip> things that seem questionable that they would have issues with an upgrade
[00:47] <LetterRip> any suggestions?
[00:52] <classywhetten> Wayland is known to have a lot of issues with the proprietary Nvidia driver. Is there a reason you're using Wayland specifically over Xorg?
[00:59] <toula> hey guys
[01:03] <classywhetten> toula, How's it going?
[01:03] <toula> just fine, but i do have a problem with my ubuntu mate :/
[01:03] <classywhetten> Let's hear it
[01:04] <toula> can't put my computer to suspend/sleep
[01:04] <toula> searched everything but nothing works
[01:04] <classywhetten> error codes?
[01:04] <toula> no errors\
[01:05] <toula> just shutting down and starts again
[01:09] <classywhetten> Is it where you'll press suspend/sleep and it won't do anything? Or are the buttons missing?
[01:09] <toula> no im pressing suspend
[01:10] <toula> my computers tries to suspend or something starts again
[01:10] <classywhetten> I would check in tweaks and make sure there aren't any dependencies missing
[01:10] <classywhetten> also doing an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade can check if there are missing or broken packages.
[01:10] <classywhetten> Something is interrupting the suspend signal getting sent
[01:10] <classywhetten> It seems anyway
[01:11] <classywhetten> I might also check on #ubuntu-mate if you haven't already
[01:11] <php> Guten tag.
[01:11] <php> Is anyone able to help me w/ this? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1027916/issues-with-acer-swift-3-right-click-two-finger-click-not-recognised
[01:12] <php> It's been over a week and I've had no replies so I think at this point, it's buried.
[01:13] <gusggg> I've installed Ubuntu 16.04.04 and unless I first boot into recovery mode, I cannot get my graphical environment to load. Upon log-in I only see the desktop wallpaper, but not anything else.
[01:13] <classywhetten> I do know that 18.04 included some new packages to help out with touchpads, and I think Gnome tweaks will give you the ability to set up custom touch pad things
[01:13] <toula> okay thanks alot buddy
[01:13] <gusggg> I cannnot switch to tty1 via Ctrl Alt F1
[01:14] <gusggg> There's many similar questions on the internet, but for all of them it seems possible to switch into tty1. So I'm surprised about my situation
[01:14] <nicomachus> gusggg: which graphics card and driver?
[01:14] <classywhetten> gusggg: Which graphics card/driver are you using?
[01:14] <nicomachus> ha
[01:14] <aphotic> i just install ubuntu 18.04 and kubuntu-desktop, but when i login, there are no applications on the menu, i cannot open any settings or programs
[01:15] <gusggg> :) It's a GTX1070 I believe. I am not sure which driver, or how to find out
[01:15] <nicomachus> that's nvidia right?
[01:15] <aphotic> ive tried reinstalling kubuntu-desktop, deleting my home folder, but it doesn't help
[01:15] <gusggg> nicomachus: Yes, right
[01:15] <aphotic> i don't even know where to look for error logs for this
[01:15] <nicomachus> gusggg: you may need to try enabling nomodeset.
[01:15] <nicomachus> !nomodeset | gusggg
[01:18] <jpleau> Does typing r in the Alt+F2 input box work for anyone? I get "Command not found", apparently this is how I'm supposed to restart gnome-shell
[01:18] <classywhetten> gsusggg: I sent you some info on how to check your graphics driver
[01:18] <noober> hi, i want to wipe my windows and install ubuntu. if i tick option to delete windows while installing, will it fuck up anything?
[01:19] <gusggg> classywhetten: nicomachus: it seemed to work for a single boot! Now let me see if I can't make it permanent
[01:19] <gusggg> Are there any ramifications to having this setting? Will I still be able to make full use of the video card?
[01:20] <nicomachus> gusggg: you shouldn't notice any differences whatsoever.
[01:20] <nicomachus> it's just a different boot parameter
[01:20] <noober> hello?
[01:20] <classywhetten> noober: What's up?
[01:21] <noober> i posted a question above, i'm a little bit concerned will my pc boot into blue screen
[01:23] <classywhetten> If you delete windows while installing, it deletes the partition and frees up all of the space on the hard drive for your linux install. Linux isn't going to have any dependencies on the windows install.
[01:23] <noober> so, windows wont fuck up anything after i install ubuntu?
[01:23] <classywhetten> As long as you delete it during the installation
[01:23] <noober> my pc wont boot into blue screen saying "you need recovery cd" or some shit like that?
[01:23] <noober> yeah
[01:24] <php> classywhetten: it doesn't give me quite what I need though
[01:27] <classywhetten> noober: If you wipe the all of the existing partitions windows won't boot into recovery mode like it's doing now.
[01:28] <noober> i have windows on my SSD, and everything else is on HDD. do i need to wipe hdd stuff as well?
[01:30] <classywhetten> I would say back up your important files off of the drives (photos and documents you don't want to lose) and wipe both if just wiping the SSD doesn't work.
[01:31] <noober> ah, i see
[01:32] <noober> im asking that because few hours ago i just wiped my ssd and installed xubuntu on it and booted into blue screen sayin "you need windows recovery cd". then i had to install windows all over again
[01:32] <classywhetten> What's happening is the windows bootloader is still existent and the bios/UEFI is finding that before GRUB (the Ubuntu boot loader that finds the OS)
[02:05] <atlas_0x01> rpicschat
[02:14] <rasp> chupa
[02:29] <hal9000_> how do i highlight all files with the mouse in the file explorer (nautilus)?
[02:29] <guiverc> hal9000_, try selecting one, then ^A (ctrl+a)
[02:30] <hal9000_> guiverc: I know but using the mouse, not keyboard
[02:32] <hal9000_> you could do this with konqueror 10 years ago. they make it so simple that you have to google these things
[02:32] <hal9000_> simplicity that actually makes using it harder
[02:32] <guiverc> you'll have to select one (not letting go of left-button), then scroll to other end of what you want to select then let go of left button
[02:34] <guiverc> nah forget my advice - i keep moving stuff in the wrong place
[02:34] <stochastix> is there a way to modify the udev rules so that a usb stick is mounted as read only?
[02:35] <guiverc> nah it works with practice, you just have to be careful selecting first one (its not select the first, but select near first then highlight those wanted)
[02:36] <guiverc> its easy if window is large enough (and view allows easy whitespace for first click)
[02:36] <hal9000_> guiverc: doesn't work on 18.04. it just drags and drops the files
[02:37] <hal9000_> guiverc: nm, i changed to thumbnail view and it kind of works. not sure why they only implemented it for that view though
[02:38] <guiverc> i'm using 18.04 & got it to work on mine
[02:39] <guiverc> okay - i agree, I can't get it to work with list view either...
[02:40] <hal9000_> back button on mouse doesn't work in thumbnail/icon view though
[02:42] <shevchuk> Is systemd logind KillUserProcesses set to yes by default on Ubuntu? IIRC it defaults to yes by systemd, but I can't find if it's overriden anywhere (not in logind.conf for sure, it's commented out)
[02:43] <bgill> since last kernel update only root can play sound. I'm in the audio group and everything in /dev/snd is group audio and g+rw
[02:43] <bgill> is there somewhere else permission needs to be set? pulseaudio is running and syslog shows no errors
[02:49] <hal9000_> i accidetly finger myself. is this bad?
[02:50] <hal9000_> right-click and finger. idk
[03:21] <luispotro> hi guys, I'm looking for some orientation on how to troubleshoot this "black screen after resume" issue on Ubuntu 18.04
[03:22] <luispotro> i5 on a GeForce940MX
[03:24] <hyperreal> I installed Ubuntu with Secure Boot disabled, but now I want to boot into Ubuntu with Secure Boot enabled. Is there a way to do this without reinstalling Ubuntu?
[03:25] <Toadisattva> I'd like to remove items for a specific user from the pcmanfm right click context menu, for example "open in terminal" and the like, can anyone point me toward which file I would need to edit to do that?
[03:25] <Bashing-om> luispotro: Which driver do you have installed : http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/132530/en-us .
[03:26] <Toadisattva> join #chromium
[03:26] <Toadisattva> oops
[03:26] <Toadisattva> lol
[03:27] <quint> what if I don't want to
[03:27] <Toadisattva> it's okay you don't have to
[03:34] <luispotro> Bashing-om, I'm using 390.48
[03:35] <Bashing-om> luispotro: Only thought I had; but your driver is correct .
[03:36] <luispotro> thanks Bashing-om
[03:40] <Bashing-om> luispotro: :) - If I knew more I would help more .
[03:42] <luispotro> I'll try using prime-select intel to see if I can work around it, Bashing-om
[03:54] <zaapiel> how do you update all installed apps wih apt-get?
[03:55] <Bashing-om> !dist-upgrade | zaapiel
[03:56] <Bashing-om> xamithan: ^^ so ya run ' sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ' :)
[04:39] <mica> i am having dificuties using netplan network configuration on ubuntu 18.04 server LTS, is there any graphical way of setting this up to make sure i am not doing typo errors in config? centos has nmtui for example thank you in advance for helping
[04:39] <cfhowlett> mica, you might want to ask #ubuntu-server
[04:40] <ekkis> I'm running 16.4 on VMWare and I extended the size of the disk.  now I need to tell the OS about it.  I'm running gparted but it won't let me resize the partition
[04:40] <ekkis> what could I be doing wrong?
[04:40] <ekkis> I have to do this every so often and I always bloody forget how to do it
[04:41] <ekkis> I have /dev/sda1 with 20G and "unallocated" with another 20G.  how do I extend?
[04:42] <cfhowlett> ekkis, you need to join those 2 parts
[04:42] <ekkis> how?
[04:42] <cfhowlett> ekkis, boot from an ubuntu .iso or USB.  DO NOT attempt this on a booted system
[04:43] <ekkis> ugh
[04:43] <ekkis> gosh
[04:43] <guiverc> ekkis, `gparted` needs the drive unmounted to adjust size
[04:43] <ekkis> how I hate dealing with these systems
[04:43] <ekkis> says here I should be able to do it live: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/196512/how-to-extend-filesystem-partition-on-ubuntu-vm
[04:44] <cfhowlett> false news
[04:44] <ekkis> in all these years and this shit is still so difficult
[04:45] <ekkis> I keep giving up on ubuntu across the years
[04:45] <guiverc> are you using the `gparted` app, or gparted[-magic] distro (does it still exist?) - gparted-magic is a 'live' distro
[04:45] <ekkis> I did `apt install parted`
[04:45] <ekkis> it has a gui now.  last time I had to do this I did it on the command line
[04:46] <guiverc> `gparted` is the gui version of `parted`
[04:46] <ekkis> ah
[04:47] <ekkis> I remember last time I did this I didn't have to boot from a CD
[04:47] <guiverc> is you fs lvm?
[04:48] <EriC^> ekkis: pastebin the output of "sudo parted -ls"
[04:49] <guiverc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lvm  (if using lvm; it can grow/shrink during use unlike gparted)
[04:49] <ekkis> no lvm
[04:49] <ekkis> I'm reading: https://alexanderzeitler.com/articles/resizing-a-vmware-workstation-partition-using-gparted/
[04:49] <ekkis> which seems to address the issue
[04:49] <ekkis> stand by...
[04:51] <ekkis> shit.  those instructions require I boot from CD-ROM too
[04:51] <ekkis> sigh...
[04:53] <eletious> why can't you boot from CD-ROM in vmware @ekkis
[04:53] <ekkis> well... all right.  I'll have to go download the damn thing, figure out how to mount it and figure out how to boot from it
[04:54] <ekkis> I'm just frustrated.  all I want to do is extend the bloody disk but I have so much to figure out every time
[04:54] <ekkis> I can't remember this shit
[04:54] <eletious> Agreed.  Wish there were a better way to automate these things...
[04:55] <ekkis> I don't even have a CD on my machine
[04:55] <eletious> you have USB ports... same difference for the most part
[04:57] <EriC^> ekkis: cant you boot the iso?
[04:57] <ekkis> since I'm running this on VMWare, could I not mount the .iso in VMWare as my "CD-ROM"?
[04:57] <ekkis> EriC^: possibly.  I just don't know how to do any of this
[04:57] <eletious> ekkis: exactly
[05:00] <ekkis> ok.  10min to download it.  in the meantime, how do I get my Ubuntu to boot from it? how do I tell VMWare that this iso is to serve as my cd-rom?
[05:02] <bonzibuddy> hmmm on ubuntu 18.04 my ability to lock my screen stopped after installing a graphics card
[05:02] <bonzibuddy> the keyboard short cut is still there... but it doesnt do anything
[05:03] <eletious> ekkis: should just be in the vm settings, under "Storage"
[05:03] <bonzibuddy> i have no idea where to even begin figuring this out, my google fu has turned up nothing... thoughts?
[05:05] <bonzibuddy> not working after a reboot, ensured the key combo didnt get remapped are what google comes up with, neither have resolved it :( brand new install!
[05:06] <eletious> can you lock the screen normally?
[05:06] <eletious> *manually - like by clicking "lock screen"
[05:07] <bonzibuddy> eletious - that button appears to be missing...?
[05:07] <eletious> :O
[05:08] <bonzibuddy> i can only log out or power off
[05:08] <bonzibuddy> or i'm very, very oblivious to this lock button - not impossible!
[05:09] <eletious> you might have lost that sleep mode on a hardware level, is all i can think of
[05:09] <eletious> you updated drivers and everythings?
[05:09] <bonzibuddy> hmmm
[05:10] <bonzibuddy> well i've installed a new rx560 which is supposedly supported by this kernel... ill look into that
[05:11] <eletious> if that's the only change... found a weird blog post in mostly chinese, it could be a gnome setting?
[05:12] <bonzibuddy> i did that - tried enabling onboard gfx in bios (it affected framerate so i turned it back off) - installed some profiling apps - hardware sleep mode support issue seems the most likely
[05:13] <eletious> can you run `gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.lockdown disable-lock-screen`
[05:13] <eletious> and make sure that's false
[05:14] <bonzibuddy> ohh the plot thickens, it returns true!
[05:14] <eletious> https://blog.csdn.net/laviolette/article/details/79525628
[05:15] <bonzibuddy> ...definitely didnt change that myself, but maybe like glmark2 does that to prep for its tests?
[05:15] <eletious> woah
[05:16] <eletious> does changing it back work?
[05:17] <bonzibuddy> yep, that fixed it
[05:17] <bonzibuddy> eletious - thanks!  i am very perplexed as to how that got set, though
[05:17] <bonzibuddy> ill try running glmark2 again...
[05:18] <eletious> Glad it worked for you!
[05:25] <ekkis> ok, I downloaded the boot ISO and figured out to mount it in VMWare.  when I try to boot up my machine I press ESC and get to GRUB.  how do I tell it to boot from the CD-ROM?
[05:26] <ekkis> oh... I had to "connect" it
[05:39] <spikebike> I feel like I'm missing something in 18.04.  I have two monitors, I can switch workspaces, but only the left monitor changes.
[05:43] <eletious> I'll be honest, i still haven't figured out how to change workspaces
[05:44] <spikebike> changing is easy, but only works for 1 of my 2 monitors
[05:44] <spikebike> control-alt up/down
[05:44] <spikebike> or super up/down
[05:44] <eletious> oh, right. gnome.
[05:45] <eletious> memory serving gnome tweak tool has a setting for specifically what you're looking for
[05:45] <spikebike> and I can't even do my right monitor seperately, it just never moves
[05:45] <spikebike> ah, I'll install that and look, thanks.
[05:46] <eletious> the real question isn't why "Workspaces on Primary Display Only" is on by default - why is it an option in the first place?
[05:46] <zw_> '''
[05:47] <spikebike> yeah, I don't see the use case for switching half of your monitors to a different workspace
[06:19] <spikebike> eletious: I can confirm the tweak tool fixes it
[06:20] <eletious> nice. wonder why that setting changes...
[06:23] <spikebike> I miss the 2x2 workspaces, but 4x1 is ok, annoying you can't go from 1 -> 4 or 4->1
[06:31] <C0CKsucka> Hellooooo
[06:31] <C0CKsucka> I need help
[06:55] <mbjerke> I just tried installing ubunut, upon reboot i get a "PANIC: double fault, error_code 0x0"
[06:56] <mbjerke> the device is an intel NUC 7CJYH
[07:00] <Borw3> Hello guys, my ubuntu 18.04 can't spot usb disks connected
[07:30] <AAAAA52563156> helloevery1, can someone give me link to ubuntu 16.04 lts i386 iso?
[07:31] <AAAAA52563156> their website is such mess, ffs  even their search doesnt find it
[07:31] <rajivmars> ubuntu 18.04 stops i386.
[07:31] <AAAAA52563156> yes, i want 16.04 SIXTEEN
[07:32] <rajivmars> go oh sorry.
[07:32] <AAAAA52563156> 18.04 is everyfreakingwhere, even a blind couldnt miss it ;)
[07:34] <ducasse> AAAAA52563156: try releases.ubuntu.com
[07:35] <Borw3> Helllo guys, was reading around and saw that kernel 4.4 LTS is being supported untill 2022, so will it work on 18.04? :)
[07:35] <AAAAA52563156> thank you
[07:35] <Borw3> Current 4.15 works shitty on my wifi
[07:44] <chrmhoffmann> why is 18.04 not showing up in do-release-upgrade from 17.10?
[07:44] <tbuehlmann> hey there, I'm setting up 18.04 (desktop) right now and I'm planning to use i3wm instead of gnome. having that installed, I'm now trying to open  gnome-control-center (as it was possible for 16.04 using unity-control-center), but that fails with "ERROR:../shell/cc-panel-list.c:926:cc_panel_list_set_active_panel: assertion failed: (data != NULL)". any idea?
[07:45] <ducasse> !releasenotes | chrmhoffmann
[07:46] <chrmhoffmann> thanks. looks like the "few days" are not over then.
[07:46] <chrmhoffmann> thx.
[08:13] <ODIN> start
[08:16] <Fuchs> stop
[08:23] <rajivmars> guys, how to check the version of program which is not installed in 18.04?
[08:23] <dnegreira> rajivmars: apt show <package-name>
[08:24] <rajivmars> ok.
[08:28] <operator-error> rajivmars: if you won't even more detailed information about a package, you can use apt-cache show <package name>
[08:28] <operator-error> rajivmars: *want
[08:28] <rajivmars> operator-error. ok
[08:32] <thinky> how can i add more wallpapers in ubuntu that changes periodically?
[08:32] <thinky> which currently have few default wallpapers
[08:33] <USERNAME00> thinky, move them to /usr/share/wallpapers
[08:33] <USERNAME00> or /backgrounds i forget which one it is
[08:34] <thinky> USERNAME00: thanks i will try
[08:35] <operator-error> thinky: another thing, in the KDE version (Kubuntu), you can set your wallpaper type to Slideshow.
[08:35] <operator-error> I can't speak for the other desktop environments.
[08:36] <thinky> operator-error: i am using native ubuntu 18.04
[08:36] <thinky> is it possible to do so in ubuntu?
[08:36] <operator-error> ah.
[08:36] <operator-error> thinky: it might be, but I'm not sure.
[08:36] <thinky> another thing how can i disable transparency of buttom dashboard?
[08:56] <thinky> how can i copy wallpapers to /usr/share/backgrounds  from pictures folder?
[08:56] <thinky> how can i copy to /usr/share/backgrounds
[08:56] <thinky> test
[08:57] <thinky> how can i copy wallpapers to /usr/share/backgrounds from pictures folder?
[08:57] <thinky> it doesnt allow me to copy
[08:58] <Borw3> thinky: sudo cp -r /pictures/* /usr/share/backgrounds
[08:58] <guiverc> thinky, you can't copy because you don't have permissions. you need to elevate them. are you familiar with commands (terminal etc) as its what i use..
[08:58] <Borw3> thinky: sudo cp -r /pictures_folder_location/* /usr/share/backgrounds
[08:59] <thinky> thx Borw3
[08:59] <thinky> i will try
[09:01] <thinky> cp: cannot stat '/Pictures/ubuntuwalls/*': No such file or directory
[09:01] <thinky> what can be the problem?
[09:03] <Borw3> thinky: use '~/Pictures' not /Pictures
[09:03] <thinky> oh
[09:04] <guiverc> fyi: ~ is a shorthand for your user.home directory
[09:04] <cbreak> ~ is a shell shortcut, you can see it in action with echo: echo ~username
[09:05] <thinky> it copied all home location :S
[09:05] <thinky> all music video folders
[09:05] <thinky> how can i delete them?
[09:06] <brainwash> tbuehlmann: bug 1766799
[09:06] <thinky> is there undo command?
[09:07] <guiverc> thinky, " sudo rm -r /usr/share/backgrounds/*.mp4 "  (will delete all mp4 files, -r = recursively)
[09:07] <tbuehlmann> brainwash: thanks!
[09:08] <thinky> now i deleted /usr/share/backgrounds folder :S
[09:08] <thinky> damn
[09:08] <thinky> how can i undo?
[09:08] <guiverc> thinky, rm is the remove command, sudo elevates your privileges (as /usr/share isn't yours..)
[09:08] <thinky> but i cant see backgrounds folder anymore
[09:09] <guiverc> " sudo mkdir /usr/share/backgrounds "  will re-create it.  assuming you don't have backup, I'd probably just re-install the wallpaper debs
[09:09] <ice9> how to delete juju controller?
[09:10] <cbreak> thinky: you can delete stuff with rm -r
[09:10] <cbreak> be careful what you tell it to delete
[09:10] <thinky> guiverc: there was a folder except wallpapers
[09:10] <cbreak> it will be gone after deleting
[09:11] <Skaface82> i accidentely removed my home folder once with rm -rf
[09:11] <Skaface82> even though i thought i was being careful
[09:11] <thinky> damn :S
[09:11] <thinky> it should warn
[09:11] <thinky> or there should be undo command
[09:11] <cbreak> thinky: what should warn?
[09:12] <guiverc> thinky, the command i gave would only delete the files i ending in .mp4 - what command did you use?
[09:12] <cbreak> why should there be an undo command?
[09:12] <Skaface82> i always keep my finger away from the enter key when typing rm -rf
[09:12] <Skaface82> ;)
[09:12] <thinky> because newbies can delete
[09:12] <cbreak> thinky: if you want warning, use rm -i
[09:12] <thinky> like me
[09:12] <thinky> ok
[09:13] <thinky> can somebody tell me what was inside /usr/share/backgrounds/contest folder?
[09:13] <thinky> i wanted to add new wallpapers for slide
[09:14] <guiverc> depends on your version of ubuntu - i think it would be the winners, or entries for the next "ubuntu release" - the winners are the default wallpapers shipped with release
[09:14] <thinky> my version is 18.04
[09:14] <thinky> there was some pictures and contest folder in the backgrounds folder
[09:16] <guiverc> thinky, `sudo apt install --reinstall ubuntu-wallpapers-bionic ubuntu-wallpapers` will probably restore the missing wallpapers; not sure about contest ones though..
[09:16] <thinky> let me try
[09:17] <Spookan> you dont do apt-get anymore?
[09:18] <thinky> guiverc: thank you very much ! contest folder is back :D
[09:18] <thinky> with xml file
[09:20] <guiverc> thinky, fyi: even though you are running bionic (18.04), you can still install other versions of ubuntu's wallpapers, eg. trusty, xenial, artful, karmic... (its a long list!)
[09:20] <thinky> cp -r moves or copies?
[09:20] <guiverc> cp = copy, mv = move
[09:20] <thinky> guiverc: what if i do cp -i?
[09:20] <thinky> because when i checked pictures folder i realised all is gone
[09:21] <thinky> i didnt mean to move them
[09:21] <guiverc> -i = interactive ; if unsure `man cp` will show you the reference manual page for cp command
[09:21] <thinky> now i need to download all pictures again
[09:21] <thinky> and i wonder why it copied all Home location
[09:21] <thinky> because of /* maybe?
[09:21] <guiverc> be careful with commands, esp commands with `sudo` (as sudo elevates privileges) - double check anything you do, and ideally only do commands that you understand
[09:22] <thinky> ok i will be careful
[09:22] <guiverc> are their any spaces in your names - a space is a delimiter for commands, so it can change meaning
[09:23] <thinky> sudo cp -r /home/user/Pictures/ubuntuwall/ /usr/share/backgrounds
[09:23] <thinky> is this ok?
[09:23] <thinky> because i just want to copy pictures in /ubuntuwall/ folder
[09:24] <MonkeyDust> thinky  you can do that with ln or ln -s
[09:24] <guiverc> I would `cp -r /home/user/Pict/ubuntuwall/* /usr/share/backgrounds/` (don't copy this!, the key is the /* so it copies files within - but that's me)
[09:25] <thinky> when i did sudo cp -r ~/Pictures/ubuntuwalls/* /usr/share/backgrounds
[09:25] <thinky> it copied all Home location
[09:25] <thinky> annoying
[09:26] <guiverc> if your pictures are say .jpg, you could `cp../pic/ubuntuwalls/*.jpg /usr/share/backgrounds/`  (ie. use *.jpg, or *.png etc)
[09:28] <thinky> ok
[09:28] <blackflow> thinky: question is, why are you copying stuff from your home to /usr/share ?   That directory is typically for packages to drop in files, not user files.
[09:30] <thinky> blackflow: i am trying to add more wallpapers to /usr/share/backgrounds
[09:30] <blackflow> yeah but why? surely whatever program is using them, can use a dir on your ~/ too ?
[09:30] <thinky> blackflow: how is that?
[09:31] <thinky> instead of copying can i use external wallpapers?
[09:31] <thinky> i am just trying to add new wallpapers to slideshow
[09:31] <thinky> i downloaded https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-wallpapers/18.04.1-0ubuntu1
[09:31] <thinky> including xml files
[09:32] <blackflow> "downloaded"?
[09:32] <thinky> blackflow: yes?
[09:32] <blackflow> why not  apt install ubuntu-wallpapers?
[09:32] <thinky> right
[09:32] <thinky> how can i do?
[09:32] <blackflow> like, "sudo apt install ubuntu-wallpapers"
[09:33] <thinky> including old ubuntu versions
[09:33] <thinky> ?
[09:33] <blackflow> thinky: run "apt search ubuntu-wallpapers" and you'll see more packages, for older ubuntus as well.
[09:33] <blackflow> I'm guessing installing those will do the trick.
[09:34] <spikebike> I just did a 18.04 install and apt install ubuntu-wallpapers just says it's already installed
[09:35] <thinky> thank you blackflow ! :D
[09:35] <guiverc> spikebike, blackflow's command was `apt search` so it didn't install, it provided a long list of candidates to install
[09:35] <thinky> yes
[09:35] <pavlushka> how to auto-reconfigure raise-network to use dhcp other than manually editing /etc/network/interfaces on ubuntu 16.04 64bit?
[09:35] <thinky> guiverc: yes i saw many wallpaper packs
[09:35] <spikebike> guiverc: right, but my point is the default desktop install includes that package
[09:36] <cluelesslol> pavlushka: gui or headless?
[09:36] <cluelesslol> How do you resolve various package requirements/dependencies when compiling stuff?
[09:36] <pavlushka> cluelesslol: headless
[09:36] <cluelesslol> irssi requires >2.6 glibc
[09:36] <cluelesslol> but I can't find that anywhere
[09:36] <cluelesslol> and there are literally hundreds of packages
[09:36] <cluelesslol> how the f* are you supposd to sort this realistically
[09:37] <blackflow> spikebike: yes, it does it seems. I was just trying to understand what thinky was doing, as downloading from the LP URL is definitely not the right way to do it.
[09:37] <cluelesslol> pavlushka: you edit /etc/network/interfaces   or use   "ip help"  or you use systemd (not suggested)
[09:37] <spikebike> blackflow: agreed
[09:37] <Gargravarr> cluelesslol: you could try apt-get build-dep irssi
[09:37] <thinky> cant i install all of them in a single pack?
[09:37] <spikebike> cluelesslol: either take them one at a time and go the install, or ask ubuntu to build the dependencies for the irssi that's already in the ubuntu repos
[09:38] <cluelesslol> spikebike: the irssi in the ubuntu repos is too old
[09:38] <cluelesslol> that's why I'm having to build the thing
[09:38] <MonkeyDust> thinky  in a terminal, type   apt search wallpaper
[09:38] <spikebike> cluelesslol: right, but if you build the old irssi's dependencies that's likely to be close to 100% of what you need for the new irssi
[09:38] <thinky> MonkeyDust: i did and it showed many packs
[09:39] <spikebike> cluelesslol: sudo apt-get build-dep irssi
[09:39] <MonkeyDust> thinky  great, install the wallpapers you want
[09:39] <pavlushka> I want some better suggestion to my problem please
[09:39] <cluelesslol> spikebike: that sounds overloaded as hell but sounds like it'll solve my problem
[09:39] <spikebike> cluelesslol: why?
[09:39] <thinky> doing now but it is taking time
[09:40] <thinky> one by one
[09:40] <Gargravarr> cluelesslol: hardly overloaded, it's what APT is designed for
[09:40] <spikebike> cluelesslol: irssi depends on 8 packages, of which even a minimal install is likely to have at least 6 of
[09:40] <cluelesslol> spikebike: because instead of installing precisely what is required for the build, you are suggesting to install old shit, in hopes it fulfills most of my requirements, with still no real understanding of how to properly do it
[09:40] <spikebike> cluelesslol: it's not "old shit" it's up to date packages
[09:40] <cluelesslol> spikebike: so either there's no way to do it properly, which is stupid, or there's something major I'm missing
[09:41] <spikebike> cluelesslol: don't assume just because irssi is ancient that things like perl and libssl are not current
[09:41] <MonkeyDust> i use irssi
[09:41] <spikebike> I use irssi as well
[09:41] <cluelesslol> spikebike: you're telling me to use "builddep" for irssi, but the current irssi version is old
[09:42] <cluelesslol> might it have the wrong dependencies?
[09:42] <spikebike> cluelesslol: generally it works fine, try it before complaining about it
[09:42] <blackflow> thinky: (I'm omitting sudo in that last apt command, just in case. understand what this does before you do it):   apt-cache -q search --names-only ubuntu-wallpapers | awk '/^ubuntu-/{print $1}' | xargs apt install
[09:42] <cluelesslol> What if   irssi v1.0 requires  glib 2.4,   and v1.5  requires glib3.0  ?
[09:42] <blackflow> cluelesslol: then you snap it. that's why it was invented.
[09:42] <cluelesslol> spikebike:   forgive me being an asshole, but that's not a real solution, ti's a workaround.
[09:43] <blackflow> dependency hell is a thing.
[09:43] <cluelesslol> blackflow: snap what out of it?
[09:43] <blackflow> cluelesslol: the newer irssi that requires package versions clashing with exsiting ones
[09:43] <spikebike> cluelesslol: I looked at irssi and every single dependency has a >=version
[09:43] <spikebike> so  the bleeding edge libs are likely to work
[09:44] <cluelesslol> spikebike: I don't like that answer "likely"
[09:44] <thinky> done
[09:44] <cbreak> that's all you can get with compiled programs
[09:44] <cbreak> since ABI breakage is not captured by version numbers
[09:44] <spikebike> cluelesslol: building from source means often an untested configuration, so install the dependencies first, and if there's a version case, maybe one time in 100 you might actually have to manually install a different version
[09:44] <duckx0r> I just installed mysql on a couple of servers (ubuntu 18.04) and I'm kind of confused because no matter what I do when I execute `mysql -u root -p` as root I can enter any password (or no password) and it works. I then set the root password using mysql_secure_installation and flushed the tables, but I can still connect with root with an empty password. And if I try to connect using the mysql root account using any other user to connect, the password I set
[09:44] <duckx0r> doesn't work.
[09:45] <Gargravarr> cluelesslol: you asked for an easier solution. we're offering an easier solution for you to try. why not try it first before complaining about it?
[09:45] <spikebike> cluelesslol: if you don't like that then flatpack, docker, and related lets packages include exactly the versions they want
[09:45] <cluelesslol> Gargravarr: spikebike   I appreciate the easier solution you suggested.  I'm asking if there's a "proper" solution that actually solves package dependency rather than kludging it
[09:45] <cluelesslol> it's 2018, this should be solved.
[09:45] <Gargravarr> duckx0r: are you connecting to 'mysql -h localhost' or 'mysql -h 127.0.0.1'? it was changed recently to include passwordless root auth when using Unix sockets
[09:45] <cbreak> cluelesslol: there are solutions on Mac OS
[09:46] <cbreak> so called "Application Bundles"
[09:46] <cbreak> I'm sure ubuntu has something similar
[09:46] <blackflow> cluelesslol: "proper" solution nowadays is containerizing it. snap, flatpak, docker, ...
[09:46] <cbreak> and of course there's the hard-core sledgehammer approach, virtualization
[09:46] <cluelesslol> blackflow: makes sense I suppose
[09:46] <cbreak> and then there are solutions in between the two, containerization like with lxc
[09:46] <cluelesslol> I just don't understand why package dependency is so hard.
[09:46] <cbreak> cluelesslol: you're not a programmer then :)
[09:46] <cluelesslol>  package/version/files
[09:46] <blackflow> cluelesslol: but what Gargravarr suggested is what I'd try first. install src deb, bump the irssi version (mind the patches), and see if it builds/runs with nothing else changed.
[09:47] <Gargravarr> cluelesslol: if it wasn't, Linux wouldn't be anything like the OS it is today
[09:47] <duckx0r> Gargravarr, Interesting. I was using whatever the default hostname is since I didn't specify it.
[09:47] <cluelesslol> cbreak: bullshit.   /system/package/files         MY PROGRAM: LOAD {PACKAGE:VERSION}
[09:47] <cluelesslol> DONE
[09:47] <cbreak> haha... no
[09:47] <cluelesslol> no confusion or BS
[09:47] <Gargravarr> it's a very simple problem that just snowballs when you have complex applications that build on multiple dependencies. that's why package managers exist in the first place
[09:47] <cluelesslol> I meant   /system/package/version
[09:47] <cbreak> if that'd be done in practice, we'd never get security patches deployed
[09:48] <spikebike> cluelesslol: there is generally not a magic system that maps out every package on the planet and figures out somehow magically what versions of libraries it will work with.... that extra work is done by people and the result is called a distro.  But if you use a distro generally 99% or more of packages are just fine, and you might need to spend a few minutes to get the bleeding edge version of whatever
[09:48] <Gargravarr> and why APT is my first port of call for anything
[09:48] <spikebike> packages that interest you.
[09:48] <cbreak> cluelesslol: also, you can have several incompatible variants of the same package's same version
[09:48] <Gargravarr> spikebike: and for the other 0.5% of cases, there's backports
[09:48] <spikebike> Gargravarr: exactly, IMO aps it the top reason to use debian or it's derivatives
[09:48] <cluelesslol> spikebike:   I mean that package management/incompatibility should never be a problem.  It's literally such an easy thing to solve
[09:48] <cluelesslol> cbreak:    /package/version/variant
 I just don't understand why package dependency is so hard. < it's NP Hard!
[09:48] <zofrex> I'm here all night
[09:48] <zofrex> try the fish
[09:48] <cbreak> cluelesslol: you clearly are clueless :P
[09:49] <blackflow> zofrex: lol
[09:49] <zofrex> oh hey blackflow didn't know you were here too
[09:49] <spikebike> cluelesslol: that sounds like the opinion of someone who hasn't tried it
[09:49] <danslo> Isn't Snap exactly what cluelesslol is looking for?
[09:49] <blackflow> zofrex: yah :)
[09:49] <zofrex> cluelesslol: you might want to check out Nix, if you want the 2018 version of dependency management
[09:49] <spikebike> danslo: yeah snap, flatpack, docker, or similar
[09:49] <Gargravarr> cluelesslol: take Python 2 and Python 3. they are mutually incompatible for a good reason - 3 was redesigned using what they learned with 2. same principle applies to most library compatiblities
[09:49] <spikebike> many others
[09:49] <cbreak> Gargravarr: 3.5 and 3.6 are incompatible too though
[09:49] <zofrex> also you could take a look at Semantic Versioning which is social rather than technical but attempts to fix some problems you've mentioned
[09:49] <cbreak> and 3.4 as well...
[09:50] <zofrex> for some reason that made a lot of people very angry though
[09:50] <cbreak> zofrex: it doesn't work
[09:50] <Gargravarr> cbreak: joy :P i stick with 2.7 like many others
[09:50] <danslo> I think the complaint is that it doesn't work with apt out of the box. Use another tool. problem solved
[09:50] <zofrex> well, I'm not asserting that it works, just that it _attempted_ and is worth knowing about if you're understanding this problem space :)
[09:51] <cbreak> semantic versioning is really old, apple uses it for Mac OS for a long time
[09:51] <cbreak> but in general, it doesn't work because software has too many reasons to change
[09:51] <cbreak> and if you're not someone like apple, you can't really force anyone to use precompiled binaries
[09:51] <cluelesslol> Gargravarr: So?  You allow applications to dictation:   Use:Python2.7
[09:52] <Gargravarr> cluelesslol: exactly, and then the package manager works out dependencies from there
[09:52] <blackflow> sometimes the simplest solution is shockingly effective. install src deb, bump version, remove patches, build. I'm betting a fake bitcoin it'd work in this case too.
[09:52] <Gargravarr> you seem highly resistant to the idea of using the package manager for exactly one of its use cases
[09:52] <cluelesslol>    maintainer/package/version/variant -> package{hash}
[09:53] <cbreak> cluelesslol: compiling is not neccessarily entirely deterministic
[09:53] <cluelesslol> require {package:hash}    or  require {maintainer/package/version/variant}
[09:53] <cbreak> you'd get thousands of different hashes for the same version of the same package
[09:53] <cluelesslol> or allow the application developers to write in,  "compatible with   maintainer/package/version/{0,1,2}
[09:53] <cluelesslol> like, wtf
[09:53] <blackflow> cluelesslol: the only problem with that is a myriad untested combinations.
[09:53] <cbreak> reproducible builds are rare for obvious reasons
[09:54] <cluelesslol> cbreak: the hash is meant so that you can name the package, and hash the other variables or somthing, not the binary
[09:54] <cluelesslol> point is, it's EASY to stay organized
[09:54] <cluelesslol> I don't understand why it's so hard
[09:54] <blackflow> and then support becomes way harder. someone walks in with a specific X-Y-Z version/hash combo, no one else is using, and then what.
[09:54] <cbreak> cluelesslol: obviously you don't
[09:54] <Gargravarr> cluelesslol: might i recommend you publish a blog on this topic?
[09:54] <cbreak> cluelesslol: because the "other variables or something" are not sufficient to capture the differences between binaries
[09:54] <cbreak> cluelesslol: fact is: You WILL have to test it
[09:54] <cluelesslol> Gargravarr: I might lel
[09:54] <cbreak> and you WILL have to risk incompatibility
[09:55] <cluelesslol> cbreak:   If you have it organized simply, the developer can test versions of packages and mark them as supported/compatible
[09:55] <blackflow> learn from other people's mistakes. ZFS on Linux recently had a huge data corruption bug. Why? Because of untested dependency version bump in whatwasthatlib...
[09:55] <cluelesslol> cbreak: If people need new ones, they just download the one listed
[09:55] <cluelesslol> no big deal
[09:55] <cluelesslol> no confusion
[09:55] <cbreak> cluelesslol: there are too many to test
[09:55] <spikebike> additionally it's pretty common for packages to have a dozen or so knobs to twist to determine what exact app/libraries will be produced
[09:55] <cluelesslol> no  "apt-cache search glibc" returning 100 results
[09:55] <cluelesslol> that's i nsanity
[09:56] <MonkeyDust> cluelesslol  you can filter on it, start with   apt search ^glibc
[09:57] <blackflow> or use --names-only
[09:57] <MonkeyDust> mind the ^, to indicate it's the beginning of the name
[09:57] <cluelesslol> MonkeyDust: but I can't search by version
[09:58] <zofrex> faced with a problem that does not seem hard, yet other people clearly consider it hard - both by their own accounts of it, and their failure to solve the problem - there are two options:
[09:58] <zofrex> 1) realise you probably do not understand the problem well enough to see why it is in fact hard
[09:58] <zofrex> 2) insist the problem is not hard
[09:58] <cluelesslol> zofrex: It's hard because the community hasn't chosen one, so we're stuck in this shitty place where no one does it right
[09:58] <zofrex> it's not that simple.
[09:58] <cluelesslol> zofrex: the one I mentioned, IS RIGHT
[09:58] <blackflow> or third, run gentoo (or any other source based distro) where versions and package options are a flick of a proverbial switch away. at the expense of having to build stuff from source, which is the cost of.... arbitrarily flipping version and option switches.
[09:58] <zofrex> how do you know? you know almost nothing about the problem, so to assert that you - and you alone - know the solution is quite frankly arrogant
[09:59] <spikebike> zofrex: all problems are easy... if you don't understand them.
[09:59] <ducasse> cluelesslol: if you want to continue this argument, please do so in another channel
[09:59] <cluelesslol> zofrex: How could   maintainer/package/version/variant  POSSIBLY fail?
[09:59] <cluelesslol> stupid design decisions are stupid
[10:00] <MonkeyDust> this discussion is more for -offtopic, or -discuss
[10:00] <Gargravarr> this conversation is straying too far from the channel topic. please take this to #ubuntu-offtopic if you wish to continue
[10:00] <cbreak> cluelesslol: it fails because it's not expressive enough
[10:00] <Ben64> or even better, nowhere
[10:00] <zofrex> cluelesslol: I am going to respect ducasse's wishes here
[10:00] <cbreak> cluelesslol: think a tiny bit about it please
[10:02] <Gargravarr> duckx0r: try using -h 127.0.0.1. that should fail with an incorrect password
[10:02] <duckx0r> Gargravarr, You're right.
[10:03] <ice9> when i bootsrap localhost, it throw error about unknown certificate authority and it doesn't create the controller, any idea?
[10:03] <Gargravarr> the subtle difference of localhost vs IP in MySQL :)
[10:04] <blackflow> Gargravarr: you mean unix socket vs tcp socket?
[10:05] <Gargravarr> blackflow: yes
[10:05] <Gargravarr> blackflow: but in the sense that, most other applications resolve 'localhost' as 127. MySQL uses it as a special keyword
[10:08] <blackflow> Gargravarr: not sure I follow. "localhost" is a resolved to whatever the DNS responds with. traditionally it's 127.0.0.1, but doesn't need to be. you're saying that mysql is ignoring this and treating it in whatever custom way?
[10:08] <cbreak> blackflow: localhost is only resolved to an ip if you ask a DNS resolver
[10:08] <Gargravarr> blackflow: that is my understanding, yes. MySQL takes 'localhost' to mean 'Unix socket connection'. everything else would resolve it to an IP address
[10:09] <cbreak> wonder how it'd handle "localhost."
[10:09] <Gargravarr> cbreak: try it, see what breaks :)
[10:09]  * cbreak doesn't use databases
[10:10] <blackflow> cbreak: yes. if the parameter is "hostname or IP", and you give it a string, it should|must be treaded as a name and asked to be resolved.
[10:10] <cbreak> blackflow: but is it 'hostname or ip'?
[10:10] <blackflow> however, what I was aiming at, if you don't use -h (implying tcp), it defaults to the unix socket path
[10:11] <blackflow> cbreak: I'm pretty sure the format of IP is highly specifc to treat anything else as a hostname
[10:22] <pomarius> hi girlsd
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[10:23] <cbreak> sounds like someone has a broken keyboard driver.
[10:24] <pomarius> hi, our firefox is not working how can I fix it?
[10:24] <ice9> why when deploying charms, it creates new lxc container per charm?
[10:25] <ducasse> !doesntwork | pomarius
[10:30] <luna_> Videos from Linux Fest Northwest 2018 is out on Youtube now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e6BKJPnb5o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-UEJ0bka44&list=PLjDc7gDlIASRIr2cr2AkhOSEGY96WhscR
[10:32] <ducasse> luna_: no spam here, please
[10:52] <duckx0r> How do we install php-mcrypt for Ubuntu 18.04? The package doesn't exist.
[10:55] <Gargravarr> duckx0r: you could install it through PEAR: http://pecl.php.net/package/mcrypt
[10:59] <duckx0r> Gargravarr, It turns out it's deprecated as of PHP 7.1, so instead I'll use openssl.
[11:08] <Sven_vB> is there any way to defend against evil USB devices except not connecting them? I should probably at least tell udev that the device on this physical port is supposed to be a webcam, right? so it can't suddenly decide it's a keyboard.
[11:09] <Borw3> Sven_vB: What you mean by evil?
[11:09] <Gargravarr> Sven_vB: http://www.cisoplatform.com/profiles/blogs/bad-usb-defense-strategies
[11:10] <Gargravarr> but it's only really a concern if you know someone else has access to your computer and they may accidentally/intentionally connect an untrusted USB device
[11:10] <longword> Come back PS/2! All is forgiven!
[11:11] <Gargravarr> longword: :D
[11:11] <Sven_vB> Gargravarr, Borw3, I'm just not sure "made in china" is the only reason for the very cheap price.
[11:11] <irwiss> Gargravarr: so the scenario for 99% business pcs in service :D
[11:11] <Gargravarr> irwiss: very true
[11:11] <Borw3> Sven_vB: LOL
[11:13] <Sven_vB> Gargravarr, thanks for the link!
[11:14] <Gargravarr> good luck :)
[11:14] <laptop> anyone to install windows iso within linux without using a usb
[11:14] <laptop> I thought about using virtualbo
[11:14] <laptop> but I want to install it to a physical partition
[11:14] <Sven_vB> thanks!
[11:15] <Gargravarr> laptop: you will not be able to install Windows to a physical partition without booting up from it via USB/DVD
[11:15] <laptop> okay let us say a I create a separate partition NTFS using gparted
[11:15] <laptop> and launch the iso from there to replace the rest of the HD which lets say is linux
[11:15] <Sven_vB> but really, this world has become crazy. 12 megapixels and shipping around half the globe for the price of a sandwich.
[11:16] <laptop> in other words copy that partition with linux to another part of the hd
[11:16] <laptop> and rebuild the grub boot menu and then replace the old partition that hosted linux with the window
[11:16] <laptop> OS
[11:16] <laptop> is that possible
[11:16] <Gargravarr> laptop: is there a reason for subjecting yourself to this pain and not just buying a cheap USB stick?
[11:17] <laptop> I am in a remote town in New England with no easy access to anything
[11:17] <Gargravarr> can you not make do with a VM?
[11:17] <laptop> VM is too slow
[11:17] <laptop> it does not use all the processor speed, it is a box inside a box
[11:17] <Gargravarr> fair enough. i will tag out at this point :)
[11:17] <laptop> and unlike the tardis does get smaller not larger
[11:18] <laptop> I came across this entry https://askubuntu.com/questions/86618/how-to-install-windows-alongside-linux
[11:19] <Gargravarr> ah, the qemu-with-physical-partition approach
[11:20] <cbreak> qemu? :O
[11:20] <Gargravarr> your mileage will certainly vary, heed the warning that it may break your machine with two OSes fighting for the hard drive at the same time
[11:20] <cbreak> that's even slower than modern VMs
[11:20] <laptop> does that even work
[11:20] <laptop> I like the other option where it tries to launch the iso
[11:20] <Gargravarr> cbreak: not when paired with KVM
[11:20] <laptop> from a NTFS within grub
[11:20] <cbreak> Gargravarr: I had windows, linux and mac os on the same computer for some time
[11:20] <cbreak> worked ok :)
[11:20] <laptop> yes but how do you do it without a usb stick
[11:21] <cbreak> the oses have different subdirs on the efi partition
[11:21] <cbreak> laptop: usb sticks are super cheap
[11:21] <laptop> I know but I live in rural Maine
[11:21] <laptop> the most rural part
[11:21] <laptop> I am lucky to have mcdonalds
[11:21] <cbreak> no postal service?
[11:21] <laptop> not really
[11:21] <Gargravarr> laptop: ask yourself whether you're prepared to brick your laptop in the process of installing it
[11:21] <laptop> yes
[11:21] <laptop> i have a backup dvd of ubuntu
[11:21] <cbreak> laptop: usb hard disks will probably work too
[11:21] <laptop> in case of that
[11:21] <Gargravarr> cos a lot of these options have quite a lot of risk of breaking your Linux install
[11:21] <cbreak> or a separate hard disk
[11:22] <laptop> what if I did the following
[11:22] <Gargravarr> or even an SD card
[11:22] <Gargravarr> some laptops allow booting from SD
[11:22] <cbreak> at the moment, mac os and windows are son separate SSDs in my computer
[11:22] <laptop> copy the ubuntu partition to a separate part of hd
[11:22] <cbreak> more nicely isolated than using separate partitions :)
[11:22] <laptop> create a ntfs partition for windows os
[11:22] <laptop> and delete the initial partition for ubuntu and install windows there
[11:22] <cbreak> laptop: make sure you have an efi boot partition at the start of the disk
[11:22] <laptop> using the grub menu entry
[11:22] <laptop> efi boot partition?
[11:23] <cbreak> that's where windows will install its efi boot code
[11:23] <cbreak> and ubuntu too
[11:23] <laptop> I see
[11:23] <cbreak> and what ever else you use
[11:23] <laptop> once windows is installed I can reinstall ubuntu
[11:24] <laptop> question is can I launch a windows iso
[11:24] <laptop> from a ntfs partition in grub
[11:24] <Gargravarr> there's a video tutorial linked from that AU post: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y4JXv9r5Ug
[11:24] <Gargravarr> but your mileage may very much vary
[11:25] <laptop> I saw that
[11:25] <Gargravarr> i would assume just about everyone here would install a second OS from a USB stick or other external media, so i doubt any of us can advise you
[11:25] <laptop> I see
[11:25] <laptop> I installed remix os without usb key on ubuntu before
[11:25] <laptop> dude there are horse and carriages in the place I live
[11:25] <laptop> instead of cards
[11:26] <laptop> cars
[11:26] <Gargravarr> laptop == Amish? are you even allowed a computer? :)
[11:27] <laptop> I am transplant from Dallas, TX
[11:27] <laptop> so to be honest I am only here for 2.5 months but wine is so slow and my computer has a valid license for windows
[11:27] <laptop> so I want to use that and install it to my harddrive
[11:28] <laptop> wine is so much slower for a lot of games even with tweeks and it runs much faster in windows
[11:28] <Gargravarr> all i can say is, good luck sir :)
[11:28] <laptop> thank you..
[11:29] <Rumen> Hi there I need some help. I use Bionic LTS 64. I can't see Skype icon in the top bar. What's wrong? All other icons are OK, just the Skype is not there.
[11:36] <L00P3X> Rumen, I don't know.. i'm not as good as the most are here.. how did you installed it?
[11:37] <Pleasures_> Hi
[11:38] <Pleasures_> I have installed ubuntu server console based. Its running on a vps. How can I encrypt the full HDD while its running? I remember there was an option to make an LVM encrypted at time of GUI based installation thouogh.
[11:38] <Rumen> I install it from the Software center ... as all other programs
[11:39] <longword> Plea: Step 1: Reinstall using encryption
[11:40] <leftyfb> Pleasures_: how do you expect to type in the passphrase at boot?
[11:40] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:41] <cbreak> leftyfb: the same way all pre-boot encryption works
[11:41] <cbreak> leftyfb: the bootloader on the efi partition or the pre-boot stage on the boot partition ask for it
[11:41] <leftyfb> cbreak: it's a vps
[11:41] <cbreak> ipmi? :)
[11:42] <leftyfb> cbreak: vps is a shared solution. They're not getting ipmi
[11:42] <L00P3X> Rumen, just try to launch it from terminal.. if it does you can use it this way..wait for someone more pratice to help you, or uninstall it and get it otherwise live whit 'sudo snap install skype' or as they on the sype site do
[11:42] <leftyfb> they're more than likely sharing this box with hundreds of others
[11:44] <L00P3X> i have a question too.. does someone use flatpak? i wanna install gradio and i can only build it whit ninja(?) or flatpak.. programs I newer heard of.. don't wanna add ppa's on this new system by now
[11:45] <leftyfb> L00P3X: installing from the PPA is a better solution than building from source or from flatpack
[11:46] <L00P3X> leftyfb, thanks.. i used to get it this way in the past but the ppa somehow everytime gave me some error entry on as going apt update.. so I was searching for other wais instlling this https://github.com/haecker-felix/gradio
[11:47] <leftyfb> L00P3X: if you got an error from a ppa, then we troubleshoot htat
[11:47] <leftyfb> that*
[11:48] <blackflow> I'd rather use a snap or flatpak, than a PPA. it's at least isolated in some way and won't mess other software installed on the system.
[11:52] <L00P3X> blackflow, i newer heard about flatpak since now, so i was asking about some feeds using it.. do you would raccomand it in this case?
[11:52] <blackflow> L00P3X: if there's no snap of what you need, then yeah.
[11:52] <leftyfb> i've seen flatpack cause issues
[11:54] <L00P3X> I don't even have it installed on the system, I do not even have snap.. i'm on Lubuntu 18 LTS 32 by now.. my computer is to old as I could get other distros.. this way it is flying :)
[11:55] <sacarde> hi
[11:56] <sacarde> ubuntu-report send data to canonical... but this data are stored into a site?
[11:59] <brainwash> !bug
[11:59] <ioria> sacarde, you can check your reports clocking on 'Show Previous Reports' in systemsettings -> privacy -> diagnostic
[11:59] <ioria> *clicking
[12:00] <L00P3X> blackflow, flatpak is going to install 200mb of files.. wow
[12:03] <sacarde> ioria, I am searching site with statistics data from ubuntu users data
[12:04] <sacarde> like popcon.ubuntu.com for popularity sw
[12:06] <L00P3X> sorry guys, the master of this software is 584kb.. can't understand why flatpack is downloading 200mb by installing this https://github.com/haecker-felix/gradio
[12:07] <Tegu> dependencies
[12:07] <Tegu> are my guess
[12:08] <ioria> sacarde, no idea
[12:15] <blackflow> L00P3X: because flatpak, snap, docker etc... are container systems. they have to install/carry the minimum OS environment in the container required for the program to run
[12:15] <blackflow> that means glibc, various system libs, logistics etc...
[12:15] <blackflow> the vastly increased container size is the price of isolation and ease of use.
[12:16] <L00P3X> would be the best solution installing the ppa of flatpak i guess ang get the gradio from theyr repositorys I guess blackflow
[12:17] <L00P3X> blackflow, https://flatpak.org/setup/Ubuntu/#page-top
[12:35] <L00P3X> nothing, i refuse to install gradio.. to much complication, libraries, ppa's.. even compiling it requires ninajas i don't know about.. maybe another time
[12:36] <blackflow> L00P3X: and via flatpak?
[12:37] <L00P3X> i don't wanna install other app managers becouse I don't know how they behaywor whit other apps and repos.. to much complicatio for one single software
[12:38] <blackflow> L00P3X: that's the whole point of it, to isolate containers you install, from the rest of the system
[12:38] <blackflow> using flatpak or snap does not interfere with apt or software installed on the main system
[12:39] <L00P3X> should I get the flatpak ppa's as they suggest on theyr site?
[12:40] <blackflow> L00P3X: yup I think that's the only way for now. the PPA is only for the flatpak manager.
[12:41] <L00P3X> this would be the bether solution I guess.. I don't know if you ever used gradio.. it's an avesome radio app.. really awesom
[12:41] <blackflow> I haven't.
[12:42] <L00P3X> if you already have flatpack installed i would only raccomand it :) knowed about from a linux magazine
[12:56] <mjayk> is there any reason why my dell monitors maximum resolution displays as 2048x1152 in ubuntu when it should be 2560x1440 ?
[13:00] <paddy> Ubuntu 18.04 - Xbox one controller fails to connect. Error message: "- KNotify Tue. May 1 22:57:58 2018: Connection to the device failed" and I've already tried the steps in https://askubuntu.com/questions/783587/how-do-i-get-an-xbox-one-controller-to-work-with-16-04-not-steam
[13:01] <paddy> In the bluetooth menu it goes from connected device to not connected frequently
[13:01] <NoCode> oof, how do I get hexchat to display my desktop theme? lol
[13:01] <NoCode> Is hexchat gtk2?
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> paddy: a few things to test: another kernel, install blueman, check syslog for errors on connecting
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> NoCode: the #hexchat guys might know more of it
[13:05] <NoCode> this is true
[13:05] <paddy> lotuspsychje: I'll try blueman then syslog then different kernal
[13:07] <Menzador> NoCode - last I checked the Linux version was GTK+ 3...
[13:07] <Menzador> or at least it was compatible with GTK+ 3 themes...
[13:07] <L00P3X> just managed to install gradio and it works! but guess what? as they say on theyr site, to lounch gradio Run: $ flatpak run de.haeckerfelix.gradio .. there is no icon on the system
[13:08] <Menzador> L00P3X - and?
[13:08] <L00P3X> https://flathub.org/apps/details/de.haeckerfelix.gradio
[13:08] <L00P3X> i would love to have one.. i can't remeber that entry have to pick them up every time to lounch gradio
[13:09] <paddy> lotuspsychje: where are the syslog logs for bluetooth connection
[13:10] <Menzador> L00P3X - then go create one (create a .desktop file in ~/.local/share/applications/ if you're using GNOME / MATE / Cinnamon)
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> paddy: usefull errors come to syslog or dmesg
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> paddy: always handy when you open a: tail -f /var/log/syslog and see whats going on in realtime
[13:11] <L00P3X> Menzador, how would this link to flatpak's gradio ?
[13:11] <paddy> May  1 23:11:10 T440 bluetoothd[1252]: sdp_service_search_attr_async: Error sending data:Transport endpoint is not connected
[13:11] <paddy> May  1 23:11:10 T440 bluetoothd[1252]: 5C:BA:37:D8:97:89: error updating services: Input/output error (5
[13:12] <Menzador> L00P3X - in the .desktop file you would include the command in the "Exec=" line
[13:12] <mjayk> is there any reason why my dell monitors maximum resolution displays as 2048x1152 in ubuntu when it should be 2560x1440 ?
[13:12] <L00P3X> and where i get the icon from? sorry i't the first time i do so
[13:13] <Menzador> L00P3X - I'm not too sure where the icon is... you may want to search for it (perhaps in /usr/share/icons/ ?)
[13:13] <longword> mjay, not sure but it could be a constraint of the video driver or your choice of cable
[13:13] <jwt> paddy: $ journalctl -u bluetooth.service
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> paddy: output in hastebin.com please :p
[13:16] <L00P3X> no way, im not able.. flatpaks gradio icon.. have no idea where it is located.. what i can do is make an alias in .bashrc but damn.. the most painfull installation since i installed a new system yesterday
[13:17] <Menzador> L00P3X - Flatpak should be integrated into GNOME Software if you're running Bionic (18.04 LTS) with GNOME
[13:17] <paddy> https://pastebin.com/K52X7RFr jwt, lotuspsychje
[13:18] <L00P3X> Menzador, i'm on Lubuntu 18.4 LTS 32bit
[13:18] <brainwash> L00P3X: you could grab it from https://github.com/haecker-felix/Gradio/blob/master/data/icons/de.haeckerfelix.gradio.svg
[13:18] <lotuspsychje> paddy: alot of refusing, doesnt look good
[13:19] <paddy> lotuspsychje: I disabled etrm as per https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=219471
[13:19] <paddy> worked
[13:19] <paddy> I will try reboot and see if it stays
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> paddy: cool!
[13:19] <L00P3X> brainwash, this could be.. i just have to learn how to make a shortcut now :) thanks
[13:21] <brainwash> L00P3X: try "lxshortcut -o ~/Desktop/Gradio"
[13:21] <yokowka> While GNOME Shell integration is works, native host-connector was not found. Take a look to documentation for connector install instructions. How to fix it? Gnom shell.
[13:23] <pragmaticenigma> yokowka: You will need to provide more information. What are you trying to do, what is not working for you. We need more details
[13:23] <pragmaticenigma> !details | yokowka
[13:24] <stewart311> hello, could anyone assist with grub boot menu not being displayed tried tweaking the Grub_hidden_timeout and grub_timeout with no success https://pastebin.com/cdtKpy46
[13:27] <brainwash> stewart311: you did run "sudo update-grub" afterwards?
[13:27] <pragmaticenigma> stewart311: Comment out GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 by adding a # in front of it. Also make sure you are making a backup of this file.
[13:27] <L00P3X> brainwash, no need.. the apps is only crashing.. -.-
[13:27] <paddy> lotuspsychje: why would disabling ertm work? do you have any idea?
[13:27] <pragmaticenigma> stewart311: or in your case "# GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=30"
[13:28] <brainwash> L00P3X: the "apps" is gradio?
[13:28] <lotuspsychje> paddy: i presume alot of things can be made to work with specific boot options to the kernel.. aka kernel related
[13:28] <lotuspsychje> paddy: can i suggest to make a new !bug and resolve it with the solution, this helps the community alot
[13:29] <paddy> sure! this would be the first time, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[13:29] <paddy> right?
[13:29] <stewart311> thank you pramaticenigma I did run sudo update-grub after the last changes
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> paddy: or from terminal: ubuntu-bug affectedpackage
[13:30] <yokowka> !pstebin
[13:30] <hegemoOn> hello there
[13:30] <yokowka> !pastebin
[13:30] <L00P3X> brainwash, yes it is
[13:30] <Migron> Hi...! guys
[13:30] <hegemoOn> anyone with an rxvega64 ?
[13:30] <hegemoOn> and running artfull ?
[13:30] <stewart311> Let me try those changes and reboot, only have one system so brb
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> hegemoOn: more details please, you want...?
[13:30] <hegemoOn> i have a strange behaviour, each time i lock the screen, when unlocking it crash gnome-shell
[13:31] <hegemoOn> threfore my graphical session is resetted
[13:31] <pragmaticenigma> hegemoOn: Ubuntu 17.04 is no longer supported. Please update to a later version
[13:31] <hegemoOn> haha
[13:31] <hegemoOn> i fell im calling cisco
[13:31] <hegemoOn> support
[13:31] <hegemoOn> :)
[13:31] <hegemoOn> feel
[13:31] <voiter> how/where can i change keyboard repeat rate?
[13:31] <hegemoOn> "please upgrade to latest version"
[13:32] <hegemoOn> is it bangalore support ?
[13:33] <Sysop01> hello there...
[13:34] <pragmaticenigma> hegemoOn: What are you going on about? Ubuntu 17.04 (Artful Ardvark) ended it's support last fall. For support you must be running a currently supported version of Ubuntu.
[13:34] <Mead> hegemoOn:  that will be $$$$ bend over your desk and accept try to relax
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> Mead: please be polite in main support channel
[13:34] <pragmaticenigma> Mead: That is inappropriate topic for this channel. Please keep it family friendly
[13:34] <Sysop01> I need to know how to install themes
[13:34] <Sysop01> for ircN
[13:35] <hegemoOn> sadly im 17.10
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> !themes | Sysop01
[13:35] <hegemoOn> not 17.04
[13:35] <Sysop01> however no one will help, I am man wandering aimlessly in the desert
[13:35] <Mead> omg, I didn't even use dirty words...  it was a joke about how expensive cisco is...
[13:35] <hegemoOn> is it good enough ?
[13:35] <Sysop01> i have a custom theme I would like loaded
[13:35] <Sysop01> a .ini theme
[13:36] <pragmaticenigma> Mead: It doesn't have to be a dirty word, inuendo is not appropriate either. And it's off topic, take it elsewhere
[13:36] <hegemoOn> pragmaticenigma: 17.10 is ok ? or i need to go 18.* ?
[13:36] <pragmaticenigma> hegemoOn: 17.10 is supported currently
[13:36] <hegemoOn> so should be ok then
[13:36] <hegemoOn> i can continue
[13:37] <hegemoOn> fresh install, on fresh hardware, latest amdgpu driver
[13:37] <pragmaticenigma> hegemoOn: I apologize... I get ARtful and Zesty mixed up
[13:37] <NoCode> Hexchat does use gtk2, but I can't seem to get it themed with a gtk2 theme...
[13:37] <Migron> can anyone please tell me how to upgrade ubuntu 16.04???
[13:37] <hegemoOn> pragmaticenigma: no issue.
[13:38] <indicator> My laptop doesn't boot with nvidia proprietary drivers and I'd like to investigate a bit, but I think systemd is retrying something endlessly, causing the virtual terminal to switch away to the one used for X.org all the time. That makes it hard to see what's going on because I can't type more than a few characters before it switches. Any hints how to stop it doing that? A recovery boot gives me a proper shell but then dmesg
[13:38] <indicator> reflect what went wrong in the normal boot...
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> Migron: upgrade to?
[13:38] <Migron> yeh
[13:38] <MonkeyDust> Migron  as of july 26th, you can upgrade directly from 16.04 to 18.04 (lts to lts)
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust:
[13:38] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje
[13:38] <pragmaticenigma> NoCode: GTK applications typically take their window decoration from the settings in Gnome.
[13:39] <hegemoOn> the issue seems to be libmutter
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> indicator: more details please? ubuntu version? graphics card chipset + driver version?
[13:39] <Migron> when i try to upgrade it doesn't get upgrade
[13:39] <hegemoOn> mai 01 14:47:07 macronetmonk kernel: gnome-shell[1474]: segfault at 38 ip 00007fa8e757acf0 sp 00007ffc0f3b5118 error 4 in libmutter-1.so.0.0.0[7fa8e7528000+142000]
[13:40] <pragmaticenigma> Migron: You're software update tool will automatically inform you when the update to 18.04 is available. You can force it sooner, however, you risk system instability as there are still bugs being worked out
[13:40] <MonkeyDust> Migron  how are you tryibg to upgrade, with the gui or in the terminal?
[13:40] <zacktu> Can I edit fstab on an encrypted drive that won't boot?
[13:40] <indicator> lotuspsychje: 18.04, oldish nvidia (maybe I can figure out what exactly from recover shell...), nvidia drivers 390.something
[13:40] <Migron> okay
[13:40] <Migron> thank you guys
[13:41] <indicator> lotuspsychje: Quadro K1100M
[13:41] <indicator> lotuspsychje: nvidia-smi says it's 390.48
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> indicator: other drivers available in your system? check with ubuntu-drivers list
[13:42] <NoCode> Also, is there a replacement tool for gksu? :D
[13:42] <NoCode> Or is it packaged elsewhere?
[13:42] <pragmaticenigma> hegemoOn: I can't think of any reasons that your desktop would crash after unlocking. Are you running any applets or plugins for Gnome?
[13:42] <indicator> lotuspsychje: there's an older one, but I'd really just like to see where things got stuck... but systemd prevents me
[13:43] <lotuspsychje> indicator: few things to try: a !nomodeset other nvidia driver or nouveau
[13:43] <hegemoOn> pragmaticenigma: not at all
[13:43] <pragmaticenigma> hegemoOn: is there anything in syslogs to indicate a crash?
[13:44] <mjayk> is there any reason why my dell monitors maximum resolution displays as 2048x1152 in ubuntu when it should be 2560x1440 ?
[13:45] <indicator> lotuspsychje: nouveau works fine but I want to use tensorflow on GPU. Does the "!" in "!modeset" invert that flag?
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | indicator
[13:45] <MonkeyDust> mjayk  start from the beginning, what have you tried so far, on what system
[13:45] <jluc> mjayk, it probably depends on your graphic card and its driver
[13:46] <francisv> Does anybody know in which package or repository is the documentation containing the gtags FAQ, supposedly to be found under /usr/local/share/gtags/FAQ?  This is from https://www.gnu.org/software/global/globaldoc_toc.html#Command-line
[13:46] <ELFrederich> when should I use snap vs apt?  Why do things like gimp even exist under apt if there is a snap for them?
[13:47] <hegemoOn> pragmaticenigma: https://pastebin.com/miG8PLH8
[13:48] <crimson_king> ELFrederich, snap brings the latest version of an app. It might be unstable as it changes often. If you need the version maintained by the distro to be stable, get it with apt
[13:48] <indicator> lotuspsychje: that canned message doesn't say anything about the "!"? I seem to be unable to view that URL without logging in, so not sure if that mentions it.
[13:49] <crimson_king> ELFrederich, also, snap packages bring their own dependencies, so they don't mess with other programs you have.
[13:49] <indicator> lotuspsychje: I'm already using nomodeset.  I don't see anything about "!" syntax in man bootparam
[13:50] <ELFrederich> crimson_king, for gimp specifically, will I be able to install plugins if I use the snap version?  like the gmic plugin?
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> indicator: no mate, ! is the trigger sign or ubuntu's bot ubottu
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> indicator: nvm if your already booting nomodeset
[13:51] <crimson_king> ELFrederich, i'm not sure, but I don't see why not. I've never had that kind of problem with other apps. See if you get an answer from someone who installs plugins to gimp (snap)
[13:52] <ELFrederich> crimson_king, well... with apt I see I can isntall gimp, then I can install gimp-plugin-registry and gimp-gmic.
[13:53] <ELFrederich> crimson_king, but if I install gimp with snap, is it isolated from being able to install these kinds of plugins?
[13:53] <indicator> lotuspsychje: ah of course. Yeah, I'm already using nomodeset, and my question is really about systemd I think, because it seems to be preventing me from investigating
[13:53] <hegemoOn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1729028
[13:53] <hegemoOn> seesm this is this bug
[13:53] <ELFrederich> crimson_king, meaning... can one snap extend the functionality of another snap?  Or if I used gimp as a snap I'd have to install the plugins myself in my home directory?
[13:53] <crimson_king> ELFrederich, I really don't know about that.
[13:54] <crimson_king> I'll give it a try later.
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> ELFrederich: on a snap, the maintainer is responsible, if you dont find the right packages for it, place a bug or forum post at their side
[13:54] <TheMontyChrist> does ubuntu use init.d?
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> !init | TheMontyChrist
[13:55] <indicator> lotuspsychje: I just tried *without* nomodeset and it works :-) I jumped the gun on that flag a bit.
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> !yay | indicator
[13:55] <indicator> I'd still love to know how to make systemd time out its various operations so it doesn't retry stuff forever
[13:55] <TheMontyChrist> well, I've heard ubuntu 14 uses init.d and 17 uses systemd
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> !systemd | TheMontyChrist
[13:55] <indicator> specifically, to stop it from retrying starting graphical desktop forever
[13:56] <TheMontyChrist> lotuspsychje: what was the previous system called init.d?
[13:56] <TheMontyChrist> I'm more interested in the names.
[13:56]  * ELFrederich restores snapshot of VM to before I isntalled gimp as a snap
[13:56] <indicator> TheMontyChrist: BSD init scripts
[13:57] <genii> TheMontyChrist: sysvinit ( init) then upstart ( init.d) now systemd ( back to init dir again)
[13:57] <indicator> lotuspsychje: thanks but I know nothing about upstart
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> indicator: that was not for you mate
[13:58] <indicator> lotuspsychje: OK. That digitalocean page 404s for me by the way
[13:58] <paxous> guys
[13:58] <paxous> im trying to install a script
[13:58] <paxous> and i get this:
[13:58] <KNHelp> hello there! I'm new around here.
[13:58] <paxous> ERROR: Service 'enumall' failed to build: The command '/bin/sh -c easy_install pip && pip install --upgrade pip' returned a non-zero code: 127
[13:58] <lotuspsychje> indicator: url works here, must be your side
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> KNHelp: welcome, how can we help you?
[13:59] <en1gma> when i run 'python setup.py install' i receive this error "ImportError: No module named setuptools". what package do i need to install? im on ubuntu 18.04lts
[13:59] <paxous> aparently the script trys to run /bin/sh -c easy_install pip && pip install --upgrade pip
[13:59] <KNHelp> is this the place where I can ask for help ?
[13:59] <paxous> but it doesnt go well
[13:59] <paxous> any help?
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> KNHelp: if its ubuntu related, sure
[14:00] <paxous> im trying to isntall this: https://github.com/anshumanbh/brutesubs
[14:00] <paxous> but when i do: docker-compose build
[14:00] <paxous> i get
[14:00] <paxous> ERROR: Service 'enumall' failed to build: The command '/bin/sh -c easy_install pip && pip install --upgrade pip' returned a non-zero code: 127
[14:00] <paxous> root@ubuntu-s-1vcpu-1gb-nyc3-01:~/brutesubs#
[14:01] <MonkeyDust> paxous  next time, us a pastebin
[14:01] <indicator> lotuspsychje: odd, digitalocean URL works for me too now -- URL is identical because I retrieved it from browser history
[14:01] <MonkeyDust> use*
[14:03] <paxous> guys: https://pastebin.com/1jAR6yeg
[14:03] <paxous> help pls
[14:07] <KNHelp> today i decided to finally try out Linux. I heared a lot that ubuntu is a good entrance point. so I downloaded it, the 18.04 lets to be exact. I've gone through the ubuntu-tutorial for making an USB- boot stick with Rufus on windows. here ist the problem: ubuntu stops booting with errors like: avoid exception: could not find/resolve named package element: \_S B_. PCIO. I2C7.Batc ( 20170831/dskginit-381).    I'm now in initramfs. I tried dow
[14:07] <Apachez> in unity I could click on the icon in the unity dock to both show and hide a specific application, like one click shows the app, another click hides the app - but in gnome (17.10 and newer) this no longer functions - is there some setting I have missed to re-enable this feature again?
[14:07] <ice9> I get this error when i try to create juju controller:  "x509: certificate signed by unknown authority (possibly because of "crypto/rsa: verification error" while trying to verify candidate authority certificate
[14:08] <hegemoOn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1768259
[14:08] <hegemoOn> opened bug
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> KNHelp: try universal usb installer to make your usb, are you singleboot or dualbooting?
[14:09] <voiter> how/where can i change keyboard repeat rate?
[14:10] <KNHelp> I tried to launch unbuntu first to try it, not to install it
[14:10] <KNHelp> but I will try universal USB istaller
[14:10] <paxous> guys
[14:10] <paxous> help me pls
[14:10] <paxous> sudo apt-get install python-setuptools
[14:10] <paxous> doesnt resolve it
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> KNHelp: okay, great
[14:10] <paxous> my problem: https://pastebin.com/1jAR6yeg
[14:11] <roger_padactor> anyone know a channel for domain and email type questions?
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> voiter: best way to get your issue solved, is to add as many details in your questions, ubuntu version,...µ
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> roger_padactor: ##networking
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> Apachez: you could try from dconf-editor perhaps
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> Apachez: dconf-editor on 18.04 has become truly nice and simple layout
[14:14] <KNHelp> can it be the file system? I chose large fat32 in Rufus.
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> KNHelp: there are known problems on rufus & unetbootin, i try to avoid them myself
[14:15] <voiter> how/where can i change keyboard repeat rate in ubuntu version 18.04?
[14:15] <Apachez> lotuspsychje: question is where to locate such variable :S
[14:15] <Apachez> if it even exists
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> Apachez: yeah not sure its possible, just trying to widen your options
[14:16] <KNHelp> good to know, but why is it recomendet in the tutorial then?
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> KNHelp: wich tutorial?
[14:17] <KNHelp> ok, got an error: USB drive won't be bootable
[14:18] <paxous> guys
[14:18] <paxous> my problem: https://pastebin.com/1jAR6yeg
[14:18] <KNHelp> https://Tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorials/tutorial-create-a-USB-stick-on-windows#0
[14:19] <stewart311> Thanks for the help pragmaticenigma not its time to troubleshoot acpi driver issues
[14:19] <KNHelp> sorry:small t I the first tutorials
[14:19] <KNHelp> *in
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> KNHelp: that page gives 404
[14:19] <pragmaticenigma> paxous: You may have to take that up with the developer of brutesubs... something in their script is not setup properly
[14:19] <KNHelp> and USB small. dam autocorrect
[14:20] <pragmaticenigma> stewart311: IIRC Issue with GRUB?
[14:20] <paxous> i used this script many times before
[14:20] <KNHelp> typing on my phone is hard!
[14:20] <paxous> and it always worked
[14:20] <paxous> i guess pip made and update
[14:20] <paxous> and the script doesnt changed
[14:20] <paxous> but
[14:20] <paxous> in the scriot
[14:20] <paxous> script
[14:20] <Randolf> Auto-correct problems?  Blame Dan Quayle:  "If Al Gore invented The Internet, [then] I invented Spell Check." -- Dan Quayle
[14:21] <paxous> the comand is easy_install pip && pip install --upgrade pip
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> !ot | Randolf
[14:21] <paxous> is what is runned
[14:21] <lapaga> voiter, have you tried control center (not sure if it is also called that in ubuntu) keyboard and change
[14:21] <Randolf> lotuspsychje:  I was responding to KNHelp's comment about autocorrect.
[14:21] <paxous> i dont know where the /bin/sh -c cames from
[14:22] <stewart311> yes grub issue solved menu appears, and I can tweak kernel parameters
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> paxous: easy on the enter button, please only ask your question all in one line, and be patient
[14:22] <pragmaticenigma> paxous: You're installation doesn't have easy_install installed (python setup_tools) it's right there in your error message
[14:23] <pragmaticenigma> stewart311: glad I could help
[14:23] <paxous> pragmaticenigma: i installed setuptools
[14:23] <paxous> i run the comand again
[14:23] <paxous> and i get the same error
[14:23] <KNHelp> well then, back to the error: universal USB  installer gave me: an error (1) occurred while executing syslinux. Your USB drive wont beboptable...
[14:24] <KNHelp> what now?
[14:24] <pragmaticenigma> what happens if you run the command manually instead of from the script. Also, are you running the script with root permissions? does the script need root permissions?
[14:24] <Randolf> KNHelp:  Are you using an actual hard drive connected via USB, or a memory stick?
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> Apachez: perhaps somewhere in org/gnome
[14:25] <KNHelp> I'm still in windows with this one, trying to make a bootable USB stick
[14:25] <KNHelp> meory stick
[14:25] <Randolf> KNHelp:  Many USB sticks are inherently unreliable.  Try a different one?
[14:26] <KNHelp> not available atm
[14:26] <KNHelp> that mean no Linux for me today, doesn't it?
[14:27] <pragmaticenigma> KNHelp: Some USB drives do not support being boot from, especially cheep ones. Also, the drive should be 8 GB for best results
[14:27] <enrico_> Moin.
[14:28] <KNHelp> just 8gb or 8 and above ? mine is 64 gb
[14:28] <pragmaticenigma> KNHelp: 8 or above.
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> KNHelp: you sure your uefi settings are correctly set also?
[14:29] <compdoc> 18.04 shows no messages while booting. just blank screens until it shows the logon screen. is it possible to display the boot progress like it used to in 16.04?
[14:29] <pragmaticenigma> KNHelp: also make sure you are following the directions on this page. This is the only method that is supported for creating USB installation media for Ubuntu from Windows: https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#0
[14:30] <KNHelp> done that, multiple times with different images
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> compdoc: you want bootlogo, or text booting?
[14:30] <pragmaticenigma> compdoc: It is, however, you could run the risk of system stability problems. In my experience when I attempt to "fix" that issue, I get a buggy machine
[14:30] <compdoc> lotuspsychje, text would be great
[14:30] <kjartan> How would I go about getting the 1.9.1-3 version of libuv for Ubuntu Bionic? https://www.ubuntuupdates.org/pm/libuv1-dev I see zesty and artful have higher versions :(
[14:31] <rmoore> Hello. This might be a question for another channel but I was wondering if there was an easyish way to set up a 'sandbox' network inside an Ubuntu VM using a tool like Open vSwitch (that isn't Open vSwitch)?
[14:31] <pragmaticenigma> KNHelp: Then either the USB flash drive is not bootable, or your computer's BIOS is not allowing you to boot from the USB drive
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> compdoc: remove "quiet splash" on grub
[14:31] <compdoc> k. then update-grub?
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> compdoc: correct
[14:31] <compdoc> thanks
[14:32] <KNHelp> it's allowing to boot from USB, at least I can. goose it in the bios
[14:32] <pragmaticenigma> kjartan: Is there a particular feature you need with libuv in the version you are seeking? Are you ABSOLUTELY sure they're newer than what is 18.04
[14:33] <KNHelp> *choose
[14:33] <kjartan> pragmaticenigma, I cannot use nodejs with libuv1 lower than 1.19. "nodejs: symbol lookup error: nodejs: undefined symbol: uv_os_free_passwd" -uv_os_free_passwd was introduces in 1.19. It's weird nodejs doesn't have that dependancy.
[14:33] <compdoc> lotuspsychje, do I edit grub.cfg? thats a long, complicated looking file
[14:34] <pragmaticenigma> !info libuv bionic
[14:34] <kjartan> !info libuv1 bionic
[14:34] <KNHelp> can you then recommend a USB stick that is able to boot linux for sure?
[14:34] <pragmaticenigma> !info libuv1 artful
[14:35] <pragmaticenigma> kjartan: Umm... artful has a much older version of libuv1 than bionic
[14:35] <kjartan> pragmaticenigma, oh I misread 1.9 for 1.19 ...  http://docs.libuv.org/en/v1.x/misc.html#c.uv_os_free_passwd
[14:35] <kjartan> pragmaticenigma, then I have no idea what's going on ...
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> compdoc: etc/default/grub
[14:36] <pragmaticenigma> kjartan: It's looking for 1.19, and default available in Bionic currently is 1.18... I'd look for a differently library that implements what you need, or contact the developer
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> compdoc: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[14:37] <kjartan> pragmaticenigma, I misread 1.9 for 1.19... I'll ask over in the nodejs community. Thanks for the help
[14:38] <KNHelp> anyway, thanks for the help! I'm outta there now, maybe we see each other again!
[14:38] <pragmaticenigma> kjartan: okay, best of luck
[14:41] <compdoc> lotuspsychje, yup, I googled it. now it shows text at boot. thanks
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> !yay | compdoc
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> Apachez: check /org/gnome/shell/extensions/dash-to-dock
[14:47] <Apachez> click-action
[14:47] <Apachez> finally!
[14:47] <Apachez> thanks lotuspsychje
[14:47] <Apachez> now the question is the difference between "minimize" and "minimize-or-overlay"
[14:47] <pr3c0g> was anyone here able to get a m-audio fast track to work with ubuntu ?
[14:48] <pr3c0g> i mean the normal version not the pro
[14:48] <Apachez> err
[14:48] <Apachez> "minimize-or-overview"
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> !yay | Apachez
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> Apachez: think you can then, choose both preview or minimze
[14:49] <Apachez> right
[14:49] <Apachez> "minimize-or-overview" is the unity way, if you got multiple like terminals running you will see a zoomed out edition of all and can select which window to pick
[14:49] <Apachez> "minimize" will just minimize/maximize them all without asking
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> Apachez: cool!, gonna play with it myself :p
[14:50] <mschmidt> :p
[14:52] <ash_work> if I have a deb link, is there a way to find out if/when something is/will be supported?
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> ash_work: best way is to search the official repos with apt-cache search keyword
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> ash_work: some .debs you find on internet contain external ppa's and can scramble your system
[14:57] <mikeplus64> i cannot for the life of me figure out why amdgpu is not being used, http://lpaste.net/896269750944923648 <-- glxinfo etc
[14:57] <mikeplus64> anyone have any ideas?
[14:58] <ash_work> lotuspsychje: what I'm hoping to do is find out when `deb [arch=amd64] https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu bionic stable` will be supported
[14:58] <mikeplus64> i've done the normal rigamarole of apt-get install --fix-broken, and apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu --reinstall; nothing reported broken and it reinstalls fine
[14:58] <ash_work> lotuspsychje: I know there's an official apt repo, but it only brings you up to 17.03
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> !latest | ash_work
[14:59] <TabMasher> ??tso
[14:59] <ash_work> lotuspsychje: I've crossed those hairs before
[14:59] <ash_work> in any event; is there a way?
[15:00] <Deosai146> hola
[15:01] <sasho199> Hello everyone! I am trying to install ubuntu 18.04 on ASUS x550vx and the live session mode freezes on loading. It did not freeze the first time I tried it, but every time afterwards. Can someone help with this issue?
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> !es | Deosai146
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> sasho199: freeze at wich step exactly?
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> mikeplus64: does driver show on: sudo lshw -C video ?
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> ash_work: any way to do what?
[15:02] <mikeplus64> lotuspsychje: yeah (i think): http://lpaste.net/1879928140604637184
[15:02] <sasho199> lotuspsychje: After I select try ubuntu in the grub, it shows the purple screen with the 5 dots, after the 4th dot fills in, it freezes and I have to force shut down.
[15:02] <mfranzwa> @ubottu: #ubuntu-es
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> mikeplus64: looks activated right?
[15:03] <mfranzwa> @ubottu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[15:03] <Deosai146> I speak English I just say hola instead of hi haha
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> sasho199: could you press F1 at logo booting, to see where it hangs exactly?
[15:03] <tomreyn> any hints in /var/log/gpu-manager.log ?
[15:03] <tomreyn> mikeplus64: ^
[15:04] <sasho199> lotuspsychje: I will try it. Be right back.
[15:04] <Deosai146> sasho199 are you duel booting or using a VM?
[15:04] <mikeplus64> lotuspsychje: yeah...? but the opengl driver is still llvmpipe
[15:05] <mikeplus64> tomreyn: http://lpaste.net/5034528898793078784 :s
[15:06] <sasho199> Deosai146: I am currently running Windows 10, but I want to install ubuntu 18.04 clean. I just want to make sure there will be no issues after I install the clean ubuntu.
[15:06] <infandum> My wife's ubuntu is showing the startup messages (with the bunch of "OK"s.) when she was working in gnome. I fixed it last time by trying to toggle different virtual consoles with Alt+Fn1-4 but this time it's not working. How can I get back to gnome and make sure this doesn't happen again?
[15:07] <infandum> It's Ubuntu 17.10
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> sasho199: did you disable fastboot & secureboot in your uefi?
[15:07] <leftyfb> infandum: ALT+F7
[15:07] <Deosai146> sasho199: by install "clean" do you mean replace windows 10 or duel boot?
[15:08] <sasho199> lotuspsychje: No, I haven't changed anything. I don't know what the default is
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> sasho199: for singleboot ubuntu, disable both settings
[15:08] <infandum> leftyfb: Went to /dev/sda6 clean
[15:08] <sasho199> Deosai146: I want to replace windows with ubuntu.
[15:08] <leftyfb> infandum: hit enter
[15:08] <infandum> leftyfb: Nothing
[15:08] <voiter> lapaga, the only thing in the settings that is dedicated to keyboard only contains shortcuts.
[15:09] <Deosai146> sasho199: did you formate the drive and wipe windows off of your laptop?
[15:09] <sasho199> lotuspsychje: What do you mean by singleboot? Also how can I change these options?
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> sasho199: singleboot means, are you gonna use ubuntu as 'only' operating system on your harddrive?
[15:09] <sasho199> Deosai146: Not yet, I wanted to try and see if ubuntu will run without a problem, but I have already encountered this one
[15:09] <Deosai146> he means replacing the current os
[15:10] <Deosai146> that's your problem
[15:10] <tomreyn> sasho199: here's mine, with an rx580 on 16.04.4: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3TwRhQVRbk/
[15:10] <voiter> omg. i found it
[15:10] <voiter> "universal access"
[15:10] <tomreyn> sasho199: sorry this wasnt for you
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> !yay | voiter
[15:10] <tomreyn> mikeplus64: here's mine, with an rx580 on 16.04.4: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3TwRhQVRbk/
[15:10] <Deosai146> you need to wipe the os, if you're trying to duel boot though you need to mess with the partitions for at least 10 gb in unallocated space
[15:10] <voiter> i send a bill to canonical
[15:10] <infandum> leftyfb: cycled though the virtual terminals, worked now! How can I prevent this from happenning in the future?
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> voiter: new DE, new settings :p
[15:10] <leftyfb> infandum: shut down. See if it happens again.
[15:11] <Deosai146> you probably corrupted the hdd
[15:11] <tomreyn> mikeplus64: note how lines 41 to 61 are missing for you
[15:11] <infandum> leftyfb: It happenned like a week ago or something
[15:11] <Deosai146> trying to install Ubuntu without partitions
[15:11] <leftyfb> infandum: sure. Try it again now.
[15:11] <tomreyn> mikeplus64: do you have mesa installed?
[15:11] <Deosai146> sasho1999: you need to either get a recovery key for your windows or wipe the os and install Ubuntu clean
[15:12] <infandum> leftyfb: Also, do you recommend upgrading to 18.04 or wiping and replacing with 18.04?
[15:12] <lotuspsychje> sasho199: and we stronly reccomend install ubuntu clean :p
[15:12] <leftyfb> infandum: I personally always prefer to install from scratch and restore from my backups
[15:12] <mikeplus64> tomreyn: uhhhhhh
[15:12] <mikeplus64> tomreyn: i have libgl1-mesa-dri and libgl1-mesa-glx
[15:12] <Deosai146> sasho199: yeah what lotus said. you gotta wipe your drive then install ubuntu
[15:13] <evulish> what's the best way to migrate a ubuntu install from a hdd to an ssd?
[15:13] <mikeplus64> (i don't know if that counts as mesa)
[15:13] <infandum> leftyfb: I do too, but I'm not sure if she would want to do that each time
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> evulish: i would clean install it
[15:13] <leftyfb> infandum: that's why I only stick with LTS's. Supported for 5 years
[15:13] <sasho199> Deosai146: Are you saying that ubuntu might run without issue if I just install? Currently Im trying to make sure that ubuntu will run without issue. Last time I trid to install 17.10, I had many issues and had to just install windows again - I decided to wait for the new release since my computer was new at the market and 17.10 did not support it correctly - I had to add a lot of stuff, install nvidia drivers and still had problems w
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> !aptoncd | evulish if you need fast apps migrate
[15:14] <sasho199> Deosai146: At least thats what people told me(people in this chat)
[15:14] <Deosai146> sasho199: you need to WIPE your entire laptop first, make sure no trace of windows left then install
[15:15] <infandum> leftyfb: It's restarted
[15:15] <Deosai146> sasho199: but if you're able to get into your windows, make a recovery key first in case you ever wanna go back
[15:15] <leftyfb> infandum: did it happen again?
[15:15] <Deosai146> because once you formate that OS is gone
[15:15] <sasho199> Deosai146: What exactly is a recovery key?
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> sasho199: ask in ##windows howto to that
[15:15] <infandum> leftyfb: No, but it usually takes some use before it does it randomly
[15:16] <infandum> Unless my wife triggered it
[15:16] <infandum> but I don't know how she uses it
[15:16] <tgm4883> sasho199: I think they meant recovery disks. If it's windows 10 and you don't care about the data I wouldn't bother
[15:16] <mikeplus64> tomreyn: aha! i was missing libegl-mesa0, somehow
[15:16] <tomreyn> mikeplus64: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5s7kz7Prwp/
[15:16] <leftyfb> infandum: I'm going to guess that is whats happening
[15:16] <Deosai146> it's a USB that windows 10 will automatically back up all it's data on. just get a USB with at least 16gb and go to the recovery options on the search bar in windows and it will automatically back it up on that usb
[15:16] <infandum> leftyfb: Her accidentally triggering it? My guess too
[15:16] <tomreyn> mikeplus64: note i have some -dev packages installed, you wont need them
[15:16] <mikeplus64> tomreyn: thanks :-)
[15:17] <sasho199> Deosai146: Well I already have a disc for Windows 10, so I guess its fine, and I have already backed up my inportant docs
[15:17] <Deosai146> it's what I did, when I had to uninstall the Ubuntu distro, fix the bootloader, redo the partitions and then duel boot Kali Linux right after
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> mikeplus64: is there anything not running well, that you suspect driver?
[15:18] <Deosai146> if you have a recovery that's good, then you're free to wipe your laptop and then install Ubuntu clean
[15:18] <sasho199> Deosai146: I will wipe out windows and install ubuntu, is there anything else I have to do?
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> sasho199: yes, before install ubuntu change uefi settings: fastboot & secureboot disabled
[15:19] <Deosai146> what he said
[15:19] <mikeplus64> lotuspsychje: it was that i was missing libegl-mesa0 (i rebooted and things are dandy now), and glxinfo reporting using llvmpipe, but yeah kde and gome ran *terribly* unless i used xrender for kwin
[15:19] <Apachez> while we have lotuspsychje in the channel, are there no runtime variable so gnome stops nagging about "do you wish to kill or continue to wait for this app" for apps that takes more than 5 seconds to load?
[15:19] <Apachez> currently I have only located a sourcecode variable but this demands gnome to be recompiled if I wish to change that
[15:19] <infandum> leftyfb: She said it happened when typing gmail into firefox tab
[15:19] <leftyfb> infandum: she hit the wrong keys then
[15:20] <sasho199> lotuspsychje: I will proceed now
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> Apachez: sorry variables not my hottest trick :p
[15:20] <Apachez> I have no problems with 5 seconds timeout, however bost cs:s and cs:go takes more than 5 seconds to load on this computer so a whitelist for these two apps allowing them a lets say 60 second timeout would be nice
[15:20] <infandum> leftyfb: What keys would trigger it (other than Fn)
[15:20] <Apachez> bost=both
[15:20] <Deosai146> rn I have my Linux distro running in legacy mode and my windows running in eufi mode, it works pretty well, but just get another HDD and have an OS on each hardrive
[15:20] <Deosai146> duel boot is a fackin pain
[15:21] <leftyfb> infandum: ALT+F<number>
[15:21] <Deosai146> there is also virtual machine but even with a i5 it still lags like a beatch
[15:21] <infandum> leftyfb: That's what I though, but there is no way she was typing that
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> !path | Apachez can this help?
[15:22] <leftyfb> infandum: you'd be surprised
[15:22] <infandum> I'll let her know though
[15:22] <infandum> haha
[15:25] <ash_work> like is there a way to check if codename is supported in `deb <arch> <link> <codename> stable`
[15:25] <ash_work> ?
[15:26] <sasho199> lotuspsychje: I'm back because I realised I dont know how to disable the settings you told me to
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> sasho199: is your system uefi capable?
[15:27] <sasho199> lotuspsychje: I assume so, but how can I check?
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> sasho199: have you seen settings like csm, legacy, fastboot, secureboot?
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | sasho199 this is how it looks like
[15:30] <Deosai146> sasho199: your best bet for how to mess around with BIOS, look it up on youtube
[15:30] <JJBby> New install of Ubuntu 18.04 with Login problem: Have been able to loging and have username and pass wrote down, added the community theme and restarted, login from GUI fails and terminal login fails too. Any advice or direction? Searching shows failed login loops which seem a bit different than my issue and other posts say use the terminal(lack terminology, but using Ctrl-Alt F1 takes me to a
[15:30] <JJBby> login prompt) which also will not logon.
[15:31] <sasho199> lotuspsychje: I don't know about those settings, I also dont understand by that second message
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> sasho199: do you know howto enter the bios of your computer?
[15:31] <MonkeyDust> JJBby  so basically, you have done nothing after you installed it ... try reinstalling
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> sasho199: whats the type/brand of your computer?
[15:31] <Deosai146> sasho199: BIOS is a little different for different PC's. look your build and look up a BIOS tutorial
[15:32] <JJBby> MonkeyDust, Yeah, think I might need to do another install than. Doesnt solve the issue if it happens again though
[15:32] <MonkeyDust> JJBby  try it and report here
[15:32] <sasho199> lotuspsychje: I can enter BIOD by holding down f2 during startup, but Im still a bit confused about uefi.
[15:33] <sasho199> lotuspsychje: BIOS*
[15:33] <JJBby> MonkeyDust report the reinstall here? as in this IRC channel or whats the best place to report bugs?
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> sasho199: give us the type/brand of your machine, and we look it up for you
[15:33] <Deosai146> I already did it looks like my bios
[15:34] <MonkeyDust> !bugs | JJBby
[15:34] <sasho199> lotuspsychje: ASUS x550xv
[15:34] <Deosai146> go to BIOS and go to boot
[15:34] <JJBby> MonkeyDust, thank you, will reinstall and report issue.
[15:34] <MonkeyDust> JJBby  make sure you see / know / note  what happens during install, so you can report here
[15:35] <Deosai146> use your USB top of the list for boot. then DISABLE secure boot, then enable legacy mode. do this after you've wiped the computer in that order
[15:35] <Deosai146> it won't let you enable legacy until you've disabled secure boot
[15:36] <Deosai146> it should all be in the BOOT menu in the BIOS,
[15:36] <Deosai146> I think your format or factory reset is in the security option in the BIOS
[15:37] <lotuspsychje> !who | Deosai146
[15:38] <sasho199> lotuspsychje: I checked in System Information and it says "BIOS Mode - UEFI"
[15:38] <Deosai146> !who | sasho199 turn off secure boot then change to legacy
[15:41] <lotuspsychje> sasho199: yes its uefi, try to find fastboot & secureboot now
[15:41] <beterraba> Guys, I'm here to advertise about 2 open PhD positions in Brasil to work with High Performance Computing. Check it out: https://euraxess.ec.europa.eu/jobs/247607 Please let me know if you might be interested or if you'd know anyone who'd be.
[15:41] <sasho199> Deosai146: Is that something I do in Windows or in BIOS?
[15:42] <lotuspsychje> sasho199: in bios
[15:43] <nsasherr> I'm having some package issues with a fresh install of Ubuntu 18.04 ppc64le, is this the right place to ask?
[15:44] <MonkeyDust> nsasherr  ppc, as in Power PC?
[15:44] <nsasherr> yes
[15:44] <MonkeyDust> nsasherr  is that x86?
[15:45] <nsasherr> MonkeyDust, no, it's powerpc
[15:45] <sasho199> lotuspsychje: what about changing to legacy, should I do that?
[15:46] <MonkeyDust> nsasherr  there's #ubuntu-powerpc, but it's not as crowded as this channel
[15:47] <nsasherr> MonkeyDust, okay, maybe I'll give that a try first, thanks
[15:51] <Apachez> lotuspsychje: nope
[15:52] <JMichaelX> i am attempting to install the proprietary nvidia driver in 18.04, and am running into this:
[15:52] <JMichaelX> https://pastebin.com/0gC9ggeH
[15:53] <JMichaelX> anyone have a suggestion?
[15:53] <sasho199> lotuspsychje: I entered the BIOS and found secure boot, it was already off. I could not find a fast boot option.
[15:57] <sasho199> Deosai146: I entered the BIOS and found secure boot, it was already off. I could not find a fast boot option.
[15:58] <silly_> #asterik
[15:58] <Deosai146> sasho: did you change the boot order so the USB booted first?
[15:58] <Deosai146> sasho199: did you change the boot order so the USB booted first?
[15:59] <sasho199> Deosai146: Not now, but I can do it always
[15:59] <sasho199> Deosai146: Cause Im communicating via the computer I am trying to install ubuntu on
[16:00] <Deosai146> oh shit
[16:00] <Deosai146> sasho199: you got a Android?
[16:00] <Deosai146> because you can connect back on here using yaaic app
[16:00] <sasho199> Deosai146: I have a second computer even, if it is needed I'll use it
[16:01] <Deosai146> use that
[16:01] <nacc> JMichaelX: from a PPA?
[16:01] <nacc> JMichaelX: those packages that are failing are not in Ubuntu, afaict
[16:03] <Deosai146> sasho199: use the other computer to communicate
[16:03] <thinky> hi again
[16:03] <nacc> JMichaelX: the versions of the package implies you are trying to use packages meant for 16.04
[16:04] <thinky> i added ubuntu-wallpapers all versions but it only circles bionic wallpapers
[16:04] <sasho199_> Deosai146: Okay im from the other computer now. Secure boot is disabled, what else should I do?
[16:04] <johnnyblaze145> lol
[16:04] <thinky> should i edit xml document or something?
[16:04] <Deosai146> change the boot order to usb
[16:04] <Deosai146> wait did you uninstall the WINDOWS 10?
[16:05] <johnnyblaze145> yo tyler you seeing this?
[16:05] <Deosai146> ye
[16:05] <elichai2> hey
[16:05] <elichai2> weird problem
[16:06] <elichai2> When I disconnect and reconnect my laptop form the thunderbolt C dock the system freeze
[16:06] <elichai2> (when I connect on startup it works fine but if I disconnect and try to reconnect I need to force restart it)
[16:06] <sasho199_> Deosai146: I was expecting ubuntu to ask me whether I should format before installing, thats what 17.10 had anyways
[16:06] <johnnyblaze145>  sasho199: it's deo im on two ircs rn, showing my friend something
[16:06] <nacc> johnnyblaze145: please take chitchat elsewhere
[16:07] <Deosai146> yeah no, if you formatted before hand you don't need to format during install
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> elichai2: open a tail -f /var/log/syslog and see errors on connect/dc
[16:07] <johnnyblaze145> ? help
[16:07] <nacc> lotuspsychje: it depends on the level of 'freeze'
[16:07] <johnnyblaze145> help
[16:07] <nacc> johnnyblaze145: what is your ubuntu support question?
[16:08] <johnnyblaze145> no its still Deosai146 im just still trying to figure out IRC commands xD
[16:08] <elichai2> May  1 19:01:08 elichai2-YOGA-720 kernel: [ 2417.489399] [drm:intel_dp_set_idle_link_train [i915]] *ERROR* Timed out waiting for DP idle patterns
[16:08] <elichai2> May  1 19:01:08 elichai2-YOGA-720 kernel: [ 2417.500400] [drm:intel_wait_ddi_buf_idle [i915]] *ERROR* Timeout waiting for DDI BUF B idle bit
[16:08] <thinky> can anybody help me please?
[16:09] <nacc> johnnyblaze145: i see. It is useful to use at least related nicks so people know.
[16:09] <elichai2> lotuspsychje: I got tons of these
[16:09] <nacc> elichai2: display port connected display?
[16:09] <sasho199_> Deosau146: Is there a difference, cause its much easier for me to format through the ubuntu wizard
[16:09] <elichai2> yep
[16:09] <nacc> elichai2: what version of ubuntu?
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> elichai2: use a hastebin please
[16:09] <johnnyblaze145> yea, im still getting the hang of IRC
[16:09] <elichai2> 17.10
[16:09] <elichai2> is it safe to pastebin the whole syslog?
[16:09] <sasho199_> Deosai146: Is there a difference, cause its much easier for me to format through the ubuntu wizard
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> johnnyblaze145: stop please, only support questions here
[16:10] <Deosai146> not really sasho199 once you formatted the drive Ubuntu will be your main OS
[16:10] <nacc> sasho199_: you don't need to format outside of the installer
[16:11] <elichai2> nacc: so?
[16:11] <nacc> elichai2: it should be, yes; but also, it seems like what's happening is your dock is failing to train the dispaly device
[16:11] <sasho199_> Deosai146: Ok so now I can run the ubuntu install from the usb flash drive i have?
[16:11] <nacc> elichai2: that doesn't mean it's frozen
[16:11] <nacc> elichai2: it might just not be driving the external display; does your internal display work? ctrl+alt+f3
[16:11] <elichai2> nacc: what do you mean train? it works if I go into tty but it will take a lot of time to open the tty
[16:12] <nacc> elichai2: then your system is not frozen.
[16:12] <nacc> elichai2: link training, at the hardware level
[16:12] <sasho199_> Deosai146: What about the fast boot setting and the legacy thing that you mentioned earlier?
[16:12] <elichai2> nacc: what can I do about it?
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> sasho199_: you have been asking more then an hour now...how about you just go try and install?
[16:14] <nacc> elichai2: this is a yoga 720 with the yoga 720-specific dock?
[16:14] <sasho199_> lotuspsychje: Ok I'll install it now
[16:15] <elichai2> nacc: idk what the yoga 720 specific dock is but it's a lenovo dock
[16:15] <nacc> elichai2: and you are running the latest firmware for it, etc?
[16:16] <elichai2> latest firmware for the dock?
[16:16] <nacc> elichai2: yes
[16:16] <elichai2> never new there's a firmware to install for the dock
[16:16] <nacc> elichai2: it's almost an entirely separate device
[16:16] <nacc> *computer
[16:17] <elichai2> how can I do that?
[16:18] <nacc> elichai2: I don't know. I'm not sure how well supported this dock is, tbh. Not even on Windows
[16:18] <sasho199_> Deosai146: The installer froze at the same place as the live session
[16:19] <Deosai146> maybe you need a new iso than the one you have on the usb
[16:19] <elichai2> nacc: that's the dock https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/accessories-and-monitors/docking/universal-cable-docks-usb/Thinkpad-USB-C-Dock/p/40A90090US
[16:19] <tomreyn> elichai2: which dock do you have there actually?
[16:19] <tomreyn> scratch that ;)
[16:20] <nacc> elichai2: when you unplug and replug the dock, can you actually unplug the AC and replug it after?
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> sasho199_: press F1 during setup, to see at wich point it freezes
[16:21] <arooni> question; trying to enable remote access... i have set up port forwarding through my router and enabled ufw to allow port 32400 from all addresses.  when i try to telnet to my publicip 32400 ; from my machine; it works great.  when i try to do that from a different computer on the network it does not.  ideas on how to resolve?  plex server is on ubuntu 16.04
[16:21] <elichai2> nacc: after I replug?
[16:21] <nacc> elichai2: yeah
[16:21] <nacc> elichai2: it's possible Linux is not resetting the device properly
[16:22] <elichai2> i'll try but even if I unplug the laptop itself it still kind of stuck (enough that I won't be able to use the gui so i'll force restart it)
[16:22] <nacc> elichai2: right, but you said you can get to the tty?
[16:22] <elichai2> yeah, it takes some time
[16:23] <elichai2> and I tried from the tty to restart sddm and I got black screen
[16:23] <nacc> elichai2: is the tty displaying on your local display?
[16:23] <nacc> elichai2: right, don't try to use your desktop/gui
[16:23] <nacc> elichai2: afaict, your graphics device is basically dead on unplug
[16:23] <nacc> (and stays dead replug)
[16:24] <mnf> i upgragded to ubuntu 18 from 16.04 no pm-hibernate in 18.04
[16:24] <mnf> why?
[16:24] <elichai2> yep local. how can I fix what youre saying
[16:24] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | mnf
[16:25] <nacc> mnf: it's there, in pm-utils
[16:25] <nacc> elichai2: not sure i follow. This is what I'd suggest: unplug your dock, replug it. It should be in the error state. Power cycle the dock. See if it comes up properly then.
[16:25] <sasho199_> lotuspsychje: A lot of errors, but the last one where it freezes says that the disk contains an unclean file system. Do I need to format it and upload the iso again?
[16:26] <emanuele> ciao
[16:26] <emanuele> !list
[16:26] <nacc> elichai2: alternatively, unplug. Power off the dock. Plug it back in. Power on the dock.
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> sasho199_: have you tried 'install' instead of try?
[16:27] <mnf> nacc: thank you :)
[16:27] <tomreyn> elichai2: https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/de/en/products/monitors-and-projectors/docks/thinkpad-usb-c-dock/40a9/0090us/downloads/DS501903
[16:27] <sasho199_> lotuspsychje: yes, this is when I click install
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> sasho199_: could be few things wrong, or bad iso, or badly burn on usb, or uefi settings wrong
[16:29] <Deosai146> it's probably the USB or iso
[16:30] <sasho199_> lotuspsychje: secure boot is disabled, and also the first time I tried the iso it forked perfectly.
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> sasho199_: another test you can do, is burn another ubuntu release on usb, see if you can bypass that freeze
[16:32] <sasho199_> lotuspsychje: worked*
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> sasho199_: what did?
[16:33] <kim27> greetings, I had a question for who maintains the bind9 ubuntu package, any idea how to figure out who that is?
[16:33] <nacc> kim27: no one person, what do you need
[16:33] <nacc> kim27: if you found a bug, file it in Launchpad
[16:34] <elichai2> tomreyn: "OS Independent" but it's an exe LOL
[16:34] <sasho199_> lotuspsychje: the first time I tried the iso it worked perfectly. I will try to upload the iso again and try to install, the thing I want to avoid is having the system installed and then freezeing
[16:34] <kim27> I was trying to make a modification to the bind package, but it seems to differ from upstream by having folders like lib/dns-pkcs11 instead of just lib/dns, so I was trying to figure out the meaning of these folders.
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> sasho199_: ok, good luck
[16:35] <sasho199_> lotuspsychje: thanks for your help
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> sasho199_: welcome
[16:36] <tomreyn> elichai2: i had the same thoughts on that. not impressed.
[16:36] <Aniar> Hi, I'm running into an error similar to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kismet/+bug/1172993 where kismet won't upgrade "The provide4d user list contains invalid usernames. the users to be added to the kismet group have to be provided in a space-separated list of usernames. The following usernames are not valid: tester."  But that bug was solved, and I'm upgrading from Ubuntu 17.10 to 18.04.  Additionally, "grep -c tester
[16:36] <nacc> kim27: what version of ubuntu/package? In bionic it is as you described.
[16:36] <Aniar> #kismet says that it must be in the ubuntu package.
[16:36] <zamanf> is it possible to direct all sounds from my ubuntu to an android?
[16:37] <kim27> nacc, I was looking in 17.10, haven't upgrade just yet
[16:37] <nacc> kim27: ok one sec
[16:38] <Aniar> zamanf: the closest I've seen is KDE Connect, but it doesn't do audio redirect yet
[16:38] <nacc> kim27: also lib/dns in 17.10
[16:38] <nacc> kim27: what are you looking at specifically?
[16:39] <nacc> kim27: *where
[16:39] <kim27> bind9-9.10.3.dfsg.P4/lib/dns-pkcs11
[16:40] <nacc> kim27: right, that's not the path in the source packge
[16:40] <nacc> kim27: how did you get the source package?
[16:40] <kim27> vs ( https://gitlab.isc.org/isc-projects/bind9/tree/master/lib )
[16:40] <kim27> apt source bind9
[16:41] <nacc> kim27: `pull-lp-source bind9 artful` gives a different result, let me spin up a artful container
[16:41] <emanuele> ciao
[16:41] <emanuele> !list
[16:41] <nacc> emanuele: stop tht.
[16:41] <nacc> emanuele: you were already told, no warez here
[16:42] <kim27> I suppose it could be part of the build, but that could be weird
[16:42] <nacc> kim27: give me a few minutes
[16:42] <nacc> kim27: do you see a lib/dns directory?
[16:43] <kim27> ah, it is a part of the build
[16:43] <nacc> kim27: yes, it's part of the pkcs11 build
[16:43] <nacc> kim27: so ... *not* part of the source, which is what I was asking :)
[16:43] <kim27> yeah, I checked out the source again
[16:43] <kim27> It didn't occur to me that they would create a copy of the whole directory structure
[16:44] <kim27> as part of the build
[16:44] <kim27> thanks nacc for your help
[16:44] <kim27> I really really appreciate it
[16:44] <ioria> kim27, found this in the source :   ./debian/rules:	cp -r lib/dns lib/dns-pkcs11
[16:45] <kim27> thanks. I'm trying to create a patch that allows me to filter a records from dns responses, much like the filter-aaaa
[16:45] <kim27> because npm/nodejs is retarded and doesn't work on an IPv6 only network
[16:46] <nacc> kim27: np
[16:46] <kim27> as it prefers to use the A record when available.
[16:47] <gifted> ikonia whats up lame
[16:58] <Draconiator> Is there a way to change the screen resolution in Buntu?
[16:59] <tgm4883> Draconiator: in the Displays app
[17:05] <Draconiator> Can't find a Displays app on here
[17:07] <pavlos> Draconiator: system settings, devices, display
[17:07] <kiriuha_2> gf
[17:08] <kiriuha_2> hioo
[17:08] <kiriuha_2> cmm11
[17:08] <kiriuha_2> cmm1
[17:08] <kiriuha_2> cmm11
[17:08] <kiriuha_2> no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[17:08] <kiriuha_2> no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!??!?!!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:08] <pavlos> kiriuha_2: there is a #test
[17:09] <kiriuha_2> die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:09] <kiriuha_2> you
[17:09] <deosai_136> sasho199: are you still there?
[17:09] <kiriuha_2> no
[17:09] <kiriuha_2> you
[17:10] <kiriuha_2> you!!!!!!!/\\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ die
[17:10] <deosai_136> users
[17:10] <kiriuha_2> exit me
[17:11] <deosai_136> part
[17:11] <kiriuha_2> ubuntu install pc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! deltet windows 7
[17:12] <Draconiator> ...yep, knew it.  lol\
[17:12] <Draconiator> Hope no one had automatic excecution on.
[17:13] <deosai_136> oye
[17:13] <Deosai146> hi there
[17:14] <kiriuha> ls
[17:14] <kiriuha> you
[17:14] <Draconiator> Is there an admin channel on Freenode?  they might wanna know about this.
[17:14] <AppleTor>  I ran tasksel then gnome desktop, but after the installation finished, nothing come up. still stuck on shell mode
[17:14] <kiriuha> reboot ubuntu 14.04
[17:15] <Deosai146> no I'm just testing out different irc clients, I just got one up and running on ubuntu
[17:15] <pavlos> AppleTor: logout/login
[17:15] <AppleTor> i have reboot it
[17:16] <AppleTor> *had
[17:16] <AppleTor> oh wait, just rebooted again
[17:16] <AppleTor> and it works
[17:16] <pavlos> good
[17:18] <as200> is there a workaround so netwok reconnects when waking from suspend?
[17:18] <nacc> as200: it should, in general
[17:19] <as200> nacc: it doesn't under 18.04.
[17:20] <as200> nacc: I always have to restart the computer
[17:21] <ioria> as200, have you tried to just restart NM  ?
[17:22] <deosai_136> guys dont be alarmed about the two deosais, im just on my phone and computer at the same time xD
[17:22] <as200> ioria: yes, and that doesn't wake up the network either. I was just wondering if there was a workaround as I am sure I am not the only one impacted
[17:23] <nacc> as200: for you, perhaps. I believe it works fine here.
[17:23] <ioria> as200, have you checked dmesg and syslog ? any hints ?
[17:23] <nacc> as200: anything in dmesg or syslog?
[17:23] <nacc> ioria: ^5
[17:23] <as200> nacc: good thought. I will check those
[17:24] <ioria> as200,  usually it's a 'module 's fault'
[17:24] <pavlos> as200: if you look at the wired connection details, there is a checkbox "Connect automatically". Is that checked?
[17:24] <as200> paylos: yes
[17:25]  * Draconiator wonders if his camera uses a custom linux for the gui
[17:26] <pavlos> Draconiator: camera is usually listed in lsusb, then you can look for support Cheese is an app that works with cameras
[17:31] <stayasinic>  guys i have problem with new ubuntu 18.04 he has trouble with scaling_governor acpi_cpufreg it show cpu MHz: 798.170  cpu MHz : 798.154
[17:31] <stayasinic> he show random number - 912 \ 1366  \ 884  but my cpu has freg scale - 800 1000 1200 2400  my cpu (sandy bridge) work well on kernel 3.*
[17:32] <stayasinic> someone can help me?
[17:33] <hackers_unity> drone
[17:33] <hackers_unity> hola
[17:34] <hackers_unity> queria hablar con ustedes
[17:34] <MonkeyDust> !es
[17:35] <hackers_unity> en mi centro de educacion tenemos guadalinex v9 y nos da un fallo e el oem lo hemos intentado solucionar pero no lo conseguimos
[17:35] <leftyfb> !es | hackers_unity
[17:36] <ZD> bsnsn
[17:38] <ZD> yo
[17:38] <ZD> why ??
[17:38] <leftyfb> ZD: what can we help you with?
[17:41] <bad> gh
[17:41] <bad> hi
[17:42] <bad> i am new user in irssi
[17:42] <bad> can you help me
[17:42] <bad> ?
[17:42] <evulish> bad: with what?
[17:43] <evulish> no problem
[17:44] <zaldi> can you help me ?
[17:44] <compdoc> maybe
[17:45] <leif> Is there way I can add new folders for *.desktop files in 16.04?
[17:46] <zaldi> i don't know how and for what to use linux .. so, do you know youtube channel to study ?
[17:46] <leif> I ask because I have software that creates desktop files in a non-standard folder, and those desktop files use relative paths so I can't just symlink them. (I think anyway.)
[17:46] <compdoc> linux is great for making a server, or for use as a desktop to replace windows
[17:47] <crimson_king> zaldi, maybe khan academy for any subject. Or you might wanna learn coding, then there's codecademy.com and sololearn.com
[17:47] <crimson_king> zaldi,  Python is a fairly easy language to understand
[17:48] <zaldi> i ever know about word python .. for what is it ?
[17:48] <Guest71458> hello, getting bootloader install failed under /sda5 for 16.04.4 workstation and a fresh brand new vmware disk during iso installation.  Any idea ?
[17:48] <compdoc> zaldi, a programming language, and something you probably dont need to know
[17:48] <crimson_king> zaldi, Python is a programming language. You can write applications, graphical interfaces and more.
[17:48] <pavlos> zaldi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_(programming_language)
[17:49] <crimson_king> zaldi, comes installed in most Linux distributions
[17:49] <crimson_king> so you can start playing a bit with it
[17:49] <zaldi> i use this weechat in termux android ... just for fun
[17:50] <crimson_king> I remember I started watching some tutorials on fibonacci using Python
[17:51] <zaldi> fibonacci ?? oh i'll watch it
[17:52] <drivesguy> Hi, want to install ubuntu on a secondary drive, keep my main SSD as intact as possible, but want a properly functioning GR
[17:52] <drivesguy> *GRUB
[17:53] <drivesguy> Currently I have Windows 10 on my SSD, And a secondary HD with a 100gb partition for Ubuntu. What should I make sure during install to avoid anything going wrong
[17:54] <zaldi> @jnmark6
[17:55] <zaldi> #jnmark6
[17:55] <zaldi> @jcnmark6
[17:55] <zaldi> #jcnmark6
[17:55] <leftyfb> zaldi: please stop
[17:55] <leftyfb> zaldi: what do you need help with?
[17:55] <zaldi> sorry
[17:55] <coolchris> is there any easy way to setup remote desktops for multi users
[17:56] <Misdicorl> I have an issue where: 1) Walk away from machine for some time 2) Come back, be asked to login 3) After logging in, appears all user processes have been killed. Machine is not rebooting (would go to different OS). Any thoughts/help?
[17:56] <zaldi> i just want to know, how to use weechat specifically .. i am new user in linux
[17:57] <leftyfb> zaldi: https://weechat.org/files/doc/devel/weechat_quickstart.en.html
[17:57] <pavlos> zaldi:https://weechat.org/doc/
[17:59] <zaldi> Kryptron
[18:08] <axisys> with ubuntu 18.04 .. I have to heavily rely on mouse.. hard to switch to previous terminal
[18:08] <axisys> I work on multiple terminals..
[18:08] <debkad> You always need the terminal
[18:08] <nacc> axisys: you mean previous terminal or tty?
[18:09] <axisys> I have two terminal open for example.. and alt+tab does not switch terminals
[18:09] <nacc> axisys: and what do you mean by 'hard to switch'
[18:09] <axisys> really painful
[18:09] <nacc> axisys: add alternatetab extension
[18:09] <nacc> axisys: goes back to the old alt+tab
[18:09] <axisys> nacc: ahh.. how?
[18:09] <axisys> nacc: sweet! lead the way please
[18:10] <nacc> axisys: like any other gnome shell extension
[18:10] <tgm4883> axisys: https://extensions.gnome.org/
[18:10] <axisys> nacc: sorry newbie here.. soliled by unity
[18:10] <Misdicorl> I have an issue where: 1) Walk away from machine for some time 2) Come back, be asked to login 3) After logging in, appears all user processes have been killed. Machine is not rebooting (would go to different OS). Any thoughts/help or places I should go? Google has not been helpful so far
[18:11] <nacc> Misdicorl: did you check syslog/dmesg?
[18:11] <tgm4883> Misdicorl: ~/.xsession-errors
[18:11] <nacc> Misdicorl: also, are you being logged out or is the screen locking?
[18:11] <tgm4883> Sounds like X dying
[18:11] <nacc> Misdicorl: the first would of course kill all your processes. Whiel the latter would not.
[18:11] <nacc> tgm4883: ah could be
[18:11] <Misdicorl> nacc: I think I'm being logged out? That would explain the behavior
[18:12] <axisys> tgm4883, nacc : I am using bash 4.4.19 .. I see latest shell version for alternatetab is 3.26
[18:12] <Misdicorl> tgm4883: No file there
[18:12] <nacc> axisys: what does bash have to do with anything?
[18:12] <Misdicorl> nacc: how do I prevent auto logout?
[18:12] <nacc> axisys: gnome-shell is unrelated to your shell in the terminal
[18:12] <axisys> ah.. doh!
[18:12] <nacc> Misdicorl: check syslog / dmesg?
[18:13] <axisys> nacc: 3.28.1 .. so I should get 3.26 ?
[18:13] <Misdicorl> nacc: Where is that located?
[18:14] <nacc> axisys: alternatetab works fine in 18.04
[18:14] <Misdicorl> nacc: dmesg has a lot going on, am I looking for anything in particular?
[18:14] <axisys> nacc: but it has multiple version.. trying to see which one I should pick
[18:15] <nacc> Misdicorl: well, try to narrow it down to when your system logged out?
[18:15] <nacc> Misdicorl: /var/log/syslog
[18:15] <deosai_136> oye bruvs
[18:16] <Deosai146> hi
[18:18] <Hobadee> Anyone using the USG-XG-8?
[18:19] <nacc> axisys: i'm not sure, i don't recall selecting that before
[18:20] <drivesguy> Hi, want to install ubuntu on a secondary drive, keep my main SSD as intact as possible, but want a properly functioning GRUB
[18:20] <Misdicorl> nacc: This a likely culprit? kernel: [10014.564024] gnome-shell[4642]: segfault at 18 ip 00007f334081d2d4 sp 00007ffd256d0458 error 4 in libmutter-1.so.0.0.0[7f334077e000+142000]
[18:21] <EriC^^> drivesguy: in the installer choose "something else" in the installation and make the bootloader on the ssd
[18:21] <EriC^^> Misdicorl: that looks like it could be it
[18:21] <drivesguy> Thanks, should I put it in the begining or in the end will work?
[18:22] <drivesguy> I already have 2 partitions, Windows Boot and Windows (C:)
[18:22] <Misdicorl> Eric^^: so... what do I do?
[18:23] <EriC^^> drivesguy: oh sorry, i meant to put it on the secondary drive
[18:23] <Misdicorl> EriC^^: I guess maybe use a different shell and hope the problem is with gnome-shell?
[18:23] <drivesguy> https://i.imgur.com/eeY0AYp.png these are my drives and partitons
[18:24] <drivesguy> btw, I heard 18.04 is giving problems with Nvidia cards...
[18:24] <drivesguy> should I stick with 16.04 in that case?
[18:24] <bipul> I would like to search this package "mysqlclient developer package" How to do that? I tried with apt-cache search mysql | grep developer
[18:25] <bipul> But unable to found related package name. Any help?
[18:25] <EriC^^> Misdicorl: according to a bug report changing the kernel fixed the problem, worth a shot maybe
[18:26] <Misdicorl> EriC^^: Ok, I'll look into doing that. I've installed Terminator and will leave that running instead for a while. Hopefully thats sufficient
[18:26] <EriC^^> drivesguy: in the installer choose at the bottom the bootloader location on the secondary drive and you should be good, boot the installer in legacy mode
[18:26] <drivesguy> EriC^^: so I just install all the OS in the secondary drive, including the boot partition or file
[18:27] <Misdicorl> Eric^^ nacc tgm4883: Thanks so much everyone
[18:27] <EriC^^> drivesguy: yeah, you don't need a boot partition, it'll install the bootloader in the disk's mbr and that's all you need, then set the boot order in the bios to boot it
[18:27] <EriC^^> Misdicorl: dmesg -T shows timestamps btw
[18:28] <tgm4883> Misdicorl: it should be worth noting that gnome shell isn't the same thing as a terminal
[18:28] <axisys> nacc: Ah.. I had to install gnome-shell-extentions pkg first to have them available in gnome-tweaks
[18:30] <axisys> nacc: wow.. feels much better.. man! thank you!
[18:30] <EriC^^> bipul: apt search mysqlclient dev maybe?
[18:31] <bipul> yes installed things
[18:31] <axisys> another thing.. how do I get my mouse middle button for paste back?
[18:32] <axisys> I used to be able to select text and middle button click would paste it.. not I have to do it like windows.. and rely one right click .. painful
[18:32] <Guest71458> fatal error (/dev/sda5)  under installation of ubuntu workstation 16.04.4 and grub bootloader under Vmware.. Any idea ?
[18:33] <axisys> Middle Click Paste is on.. but it seems to be ignoring
[18:34] <hggdh> Guest71458: any ideas will depend of what was the error
[18:34] <EriC^^> Guest71458: can you give more context and maybe a screenshot or the whole error?
[18:35] <ledeni> bipul, try 'python-mysqldb'
[18:35] <FuttBucker101> hi
[18:36] <DIR-64> hallo
[18:37] <FuttBucker101> Pleased to meet u DIR-64
[18:37] <ledeni> bipul, and 'python3-mysqldb'
[18:37] <th34lch3m1st> hi, I've notice dnsmasq runs with user"nobody" (google dns on eth, 16.04)
[18:38] <platzhirsch> I've run sudo apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade, still no sign to move from 17.10 to 18.04, any ideas?
[18:38] <pragmaticenigma> That is normal th34lch3m1st
[18:39] <FuttBucker101> hi guys
[18:39] <pragmaticenigma> !chat | FuttBucker101
[18:41] <DIR-64> is there a discussion here?
[18:42] <leftyfb> DIR-64: this channel is for support requests only. See #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discussion for anything else.
[18:42] <leftyfb> FuttBucker101: can we help you with somehing?
[18:42] <DIR-64> I hope to be well acquainted with you all ...
[18:42] <th34lch3m1st> pragmaticenigma ah, ok. because I've google it and the first result was a bug on launchpad on 12.10 where everybody was complaining about that...
[18:42] <platzhirsch> :|
[18:43] <FuttBucker101> hi lefty are u there
[18:43] <leftyfb> DIR-64: btw, you shouldn't IRC as root
[18:43] <platzhirsch> Okay, just read: "Upgrades from 17.10 will not be enabled until a few days after 18.04's release. "
[18:43] <platzhirsch> I thought that's only true for 16.04
[18:44] <spikebike> I think it's a few days for 17.10
[18:44] <spikebike> and 18.04.1 (3 months ish) for 16.04
[18:45] <platzhirsch> Oki, almost couldn't boot because I also switched kernels
[18:45] <pragmaticenigma> th34lch3m1st: dnsmasq initially is started as root user. To prevent the service from going outside it's scope (having the ability to freely navigate the OS) it is downgraded to a user that has no privileges outside the ones it needs to complete its tasks. It's a security configuration method that works well. Some services define their own users (i.e. Apache => www_user) and some can work with the Nobody user
[18:47] <th34lch3m1st> pragmaticenigma ok, thanks for the info
[18:48] <outoftime> My `xorg.conf` disapears every reboot. What to do?
[18:48] <outoftime> *almost every
[18:48] <axisys> anyone else experienced the Middle Click Paste not working on 18.04 and might found a fix?
[18:48] <pragmaticenigma> outoftime: X11 no longer requires the use of a static xorg.conf file. One is automatically generated on each boot dynamically, and removed during proper shutdown
[18:49] <outoftime> pragmaticenigma: but I need to setup custom EDID
[18:49] <outoftime> pragmaticenigma: Ubuntu 16.04
[18:50] <xyzone[m]> is there a way to force an upgrade to 18.04 from 17.10 in the gui?
[18:50] <pragmaticenigma> outoftime: You may need to read up on the documnatation. X.org looks at specific files for "helper" and "configs" to append/include to its generated config file
[18:50] <EriC^^> xyzone[m]: you could use the command sudo do-release-upgrade -d  from a terminal
[18:50] <pragmaticenigma> xyzone[m]: It is best to wait until the software updater tells you that the update is available. There are bugs being addressed with the upgrade process
[18:51] <xyzone[m]> do-release-upgrade -d will not do that
[18:51] <nacc> platzhirsch: that's not how you upgrade between releases anyways
[18:51] <oerheks> add this EDID to a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ folder, and it will populate xorg.conf > http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man5/xorg.conf.5.html
[18:52] <nacc> xyzone[m]: why not?
[18:52] <pragmaticenigma> outoftime: Please oerheks message
[18:52] <pragmaticenigma> *please see
[18:52] <oerheks> german howto https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/xorg.conf.d/
[18:52] <platzhirsch> nacc: how do you do
[18:52] <FuttBucker101> Who is the leader of this chat?
[18:53] <nacc> platzhirsch: you use do-release-upgrade (cli) or update-manager (gui)
[18:53] <nacc> platzhirsch: apt itself doesn't know about new releases
[18:53] <outoftime> oerheks: any specific file name or *.conf will be fine?
[18:53] <th34lch3m1st> FuttBucker101 the one with the F and the B reversed
[18:53] <nacc> th34lch3m1st: please don't feed trolls.
[18:54] <nacc> FuttBucker101: do you have an ubuntu support question? if not, please take chat elsewhere
[18:54] <FuttBucker101> I wish to speak with the leader!
[18:54] <oerheks> outoftime, name it 50-edid.conf or something like that
[18:54] <leftyfb> FuttBucker101: trolling is offtopic
[18:54] <nacc> FuttBucker101: that is not an ubuntu support topic.
[18:54] <DJones> FuttBucker101: There is no specific leader, the channel is a supprt channel for Ubuntu, just ask your Ubun7tu supprt question
[18:56] <gt8ost4l> does anybody know why when i click on krita it opens twice on the dock?
[18:56] <outoftime> oerheks: works, thank you.
[18:56] <outoftime> pragmaticenigma: thank you
[18:57] <oerheks> outoftime, have fun!
[18:57] <pragmaticenigma> axisys: A quick google search yielded the following: https://askubuntu.com/a/974382
[19:00] <xyzone[m]> nacc: why not? because that's for upgrading to the development release
[19:02] <pragmaticenigma> xyzone[m]: that is not correct, that is only true if you have configured the software updater to allow checking for new development releases
[19:02] <sneakyimp> I'm shopping for a wildcard cert and the prices vary widely. Is there any good reason NOT to use RapidSSL? There cert is only $250, compared to Digicert's $600. Comodo is only $450. I'd sure love to save $350.
[19:02] <teward> sneakyimp: that's a question outside the scope of Ubuntu
[19:02] <teward> !offtopic | sneakyimp
[19:03] <evulish> sneakyimp: why not letsencrypt?
[19:03] <sneakyimp> teward: oh dang! sorry.
[19:03] <evulish> they just began supported wildcard certs and they're free
[19:03] <pragmaticenigma> evulish: The question was not a support question, please dicontinue the topic
[19:03] <sneakyimp> evulish: off topic :( any suggestions where to ask this question? StackOverflow marked question off-topic
[19:04] <pragmaticenigma> sneakyimp: You can try in #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:04] <evulish> #webdevelopment or something maybe?
[19:04] <sneakyimp> pragmaticenigma: thank you
[19:04] <sneakyimp> exit
[19:04] <Misdicorl> nacc EriC^^: Terminal change didn't seem to help. So I've upgraded kernel from 4.13 to 4.15, hopefully that will address crash issue?
[19:17] <axisys> pragmaticenigma: I do have the Middle Click Paste on .. so I am wondering if anyone experience the same "bug"
[19:22] <lucian> mnk
[19:23] <naftilos76> Hi, i am on ubuntu 14.04 and i am experiencing, as anybody else, some issues with the wifi adapter . This is what i see when doing lspci : 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 10) . I experience random disconnects, huge delay before loading a website. Pls keep in mind that my internet connection is 50MBit/s which is true most of the time as i am capable of downloa
[19:23] <naftilos76> ding at 6MBytes/s . The wifi adapter is a M.2 combo wifi/bluetooth. Is there another that any of you have been trying out without broblems?
[19:24] <naftilos76> Sorry, correction: 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 3160 (rev 93)
[19:24] <dmateos> hey having an issue with the move from 16.04 to 18.04 where mounting a CIFS over samba from another ubuntu server, its now treating symlinks as folders from the view of the client
[19:24] <dmateos> anyone know what change might have cuased this?
[19:26] <naftilos76> There is a variety of M.2 combo wifi/bluetooth adapters out there but i am not sure which will work well on my linux box
[19:26] <naftilos76> Any suggestions?
[19:27] <spine55> hi everyone is it possible to shrink the root VG on a server?
[19:27] <debkad> naftilos76: Looks like you have the same problem as in this link https://askubuntu.com/questions/611222/cannot-connect-to-wifi-intel-corporation-wireless-3160?utm_medium=organic&utm_source=google_rich_qa&utm_campaign=google_rich_qa
[19:27] <pragmaticenigma> axisys: This isn't a good forum for asking if people also experience issues. It's also not a bug, it is by design that the feature isn't enabled by default. A bug would be if it a documented behavior that isn't occuring. Meaning if Gnome documentation stated the middle click was for paste, and it didn't work, that would be a bug. You are experiencing a personal preference. Not a bug
[19:28] <xyzone[m]> I am not seeing your alerts if you are replying to me. You're not citing my name properly or it's a martrix issue
[19:28] <axisys> pragmaticenigma: right.. I am not claiming it is a bug.. so I wanted to quote around it.. but still looking for help
[19:28] <xyzone[m]> Anyway, it is correct. I just checked it. If you try upgrading from 17.10 with that command, it refuses and says you need the latest version to upgrade to development
[19:29] <tomreyn> spine55: yes, but shrinking an ext4 needs to be done while unmounted.
[19:30] <naftilos76> debkad, i had a look well before writing in this room. Seems like there is no guarantee that the adapter will work no matter what action i take. I just want to go to something that simply works.
[19:30] <xyzone[m]> do-release-upgrade -d is not correct
[19:30] <xyzone[m]> the d option is development
[19:30] <debkad> naftilos76: There are twp suggestions in that link, try the easiest, disable bluetooth and reboot
[19:31] <debkad> s/twp/two
[19:31] <axisys> so if I type do the two button click underneath the touchpad.. paste works.. but mouse wheel button does not paste
[19:31] <axisys> mouse wheel button click*
[19:31] <xyzone[m]> hate to be a xkcd comic but it's either my lying eyes right in front of me or people giving shaky info here
[19:31] <spine55> tomreyn: thanks so that means boot to a rescue disk first correct?
[19:32] <gpap1> Hello!
[19:32] <tomreyn> spine55: either that or remove / resize other LVs in the same VG
[19:32] <nacc> xyzone[m]: just started a 17.10 lxd, ran do-release-upgrade -d and it worked fine and is upgrading now.
[19:32] <pragmaticenigma> xyzone[m]: Then why is documented here: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/installing-upgrading.html
[19:33] <spine55> tomreyn: thanks!
[19:33] <nacc> xyzone[m]: so it is you, and i've also used it many times in the past.
[19:34] <pragmaticenigma> xyzone[m]: No one has replied to you because you are refusing to help us help you. Telling us the command doesn't work, without trying and showing us the output doesn't help us move forward.
[19:35] <tomreyn> spine55: welcome. if reducing downtime is most important, you could also create a copy of the root FS and then shrink that and make the system boot that on next boot
[19:35] <pragmaticenigma> xyzone[m]: the proposed method does work, however, you may have a configuration issue with the software updater. Your commentary has made it less enticing to help you since you are resistant to what is suggested.
[19:36] <nacc> xyzone[m]: did you ensure you were fully up to date first? (sudo apt update; sudo apt full-upgrade)
[19:36] <Misdicorl> nacc EriC^^: I upgraded to 4.15.0-041500-generic, but still got: 14:06:41 ResPoqoBop kernel: [  337.365999] gnome-shell[1562]: segfault at 38 ip 00007fddd9b72cf0 sp 00007ffef1d60698 error 4 in libmutter-1.so.0.0.0[7fddd9b20000+142000]
[19:36] <Misdicorl> Is there a way I can prevent Ubuntu from running gnome-shell? Manually kill -9 the process also logs me out
[19:37] <nacc> Misdicorl: run a different flavor? (e.g., kubuntu)
[19:37] <debkad> another desktop i would say
[19:38] <dmateos> hey everyone im getting different behaviour between a CIFS mount in 16.04 and 18.04, in 16 it treats symlinks as symlinks but in 18 i just see them as normal folders from the client
[19:38] <dmateos> would anyone know why this might be?
[19:41] <pragmaticenigma> dmateos: different versions of the CIFS client library I would assume. New features or bug fixes. You might need to consult the documentation
[19:44] <FuttBucker101> I am developing a warp drive.
[19:44] <pragmaticenigma> !ot | FuttBucker101
[20:04] <seer> Hi! I was wondering if the ubuntu software center is always slow or is it just my hardware?
[20:05] <exarkun> seer: That question has no meaningful answer.
[20:05] <sdfgsdfghbhf> The GUI software manager really needs to contain flashplugin-installer
[20:05] <pragmaticenigma> seer: there are numerous factors that could affect the speed of software center. You ISP connection speed, the speed of your hardware, the server load to server your computer is attempting to download updates from.
[20:06] <seer> exarkun: When I try to open, click packages, open .deb files etc it takes a good 5 seconds at least
[20:06] <seer> sometimes more.
[20:06] <sdfgsdfghbhf> The kind of user who needs Flash typically will not appreciate having to do an apt-get
[20:06] <seer> I mean I use apt-get sometimes. I am a power user. Currently using irssi
[20:07] <pragmaticenigma> sdfgsdfghbhf: It is available via a GUI install.
[20:07] <seer> But not everyone is a terminal power user. So I was wondering why the ubuntu software center GUI is always so slow
[20:07] <exarkun> seer: Okay, now I know that "5 seconds" is "slow".  Only 1000 more variables to nail down.
[20:07] <sdfgsdfghbhf> Not in gnome-software
[20:07] <pragmaticenigma> seer: asked and answered, it is not a support question
[20:08] <sdfgsdfghbhf> Honestly even though it was slow Ubuntu Software Center was better because it could install any package
[20:08] <Skaface82> seer: how old is your computer?
[20:08] <pragmaticenigma> sdfgsdfghbhf: Have you actually searched on the keyword "Flash"
[20:08] <seer> I doubt it's the internet connection. Just did a check. 29Mps/s according to speedtest.net
[20:09] <pragmaticenigma> seer: you are offtopic, please take the topic elsewhere
[20:09] <seer> ....I'm off topic?
[20:09] <seer> I'm trying to troubleshoot why in my expierence the software center is always so slow.
[20:09] <sdfgsdfghbhf> https://imgur.com/a/McecUrY
[20:09] <sdfgsdfghbhf> here ya go
[20:09] <tgm4883> I don't see how that would be off topic...
[20:10] <pragmaticenigma> seer: you were already told why... there are too many factors to consider and it's not within the scope of this channel to troubleshoot that
[20:10] <sdfgsdfghbhf> children and grandmothers use ubuntu
[20:10]  * tgm4883 wonders what bizarro channel this turned into
[20:10] <pragmaticenigma> sdfgsdfghbhf: I cannot even see anything in that graphic
[20:10] <beterraba> Guys, I'm here to advertise about 2 open PhD positions in Brasil to work with High Performance Computing. Check it out: https://euraxess.ec.europa.eu/jobs/247607 Please let me know if you might be interested or if you'd know anyone who'd be. My e-mail is lucas@dca.ufrn.br
[20:10] <seer> pragmaticenigma:  I can https://i.imgur.com/hJLl3ez.png
[20:10] <tgm4883> !ot | beterraba
[20:11] <seer> That....That would be consided off topic
[20:11] <Skaface82> seer: how old is your computer?
[20:11] <leftyfb> sdfgsdfghbhf: do you have the multiverse repo enabled?
[20:11] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb: they have something enabled
[20:11] <seer> Skaface82: Not sure honestly. Let me check
[20:12] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: that's not helpful
[20:12] <pragmaticenigma> Skaface82: as was already stated, seer does not have a support question, The discussion needs to take place somewhere else
[20:12] <capncrunch4me> any LXD users in the channel?
[20:12] <tgm4883> pragmaticenigma: I don't see how that isn't a support question
[20:12] <pragmaticenigma> !ask | capncrunch4me
[20:13] <capncrunch4me> how do you fix LXD when it crashes due to auto-snap update?
[20:13] <leftyfb> capncrunch4me: you might be best served in #lxcontainers
[20:14] <capncrunch4me> the problem is lxd, not LXC
[20:14] <capncrunch4me> LXD == Ubuntu
[20:14] <leftyfb> capncrunch4me: that channel is for both
[20:14] <capncrunch4me> and now LXD is governed by snap, which does us all the favor of autoupdating snaps
[20:14] <seer> Skaface82:  Inspiron 3521
[20:14] <capncrunch4me> which is great, because it crashes LXD every time it tries and updates, and all containers restart
[20:14] <seer> looks like its from 2013 tbh
[20:14] <capncrunch4me> and you cant turn it off
[20:15] <patri> not dead
[20:15] <SemiControl> Something is really fishy. I dont know whats slowing down my laptop. Is there a tool that checks Ram, CPU and SSD/HDD performance?
[20:15] <seer> SemiControl: I recommend htop. sudo apt-get install htop
[20:16] <oerheks> capncrunch4me, dont turn snap update off, schedule it https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/disabling-automatic-refresh-for-snap-from-store/707
[20:16] <tgm4883> seer: +1
[20:16] <SemiControl> seer,  this will show my performance and expected performance in GUI/
[20:16] <seer> SemiControl: Then you can use F6 to sort
[20:16] <SemiControl> for each hardware
[20:16] <capncrunch4me> oerheks: yeah, that doesnt prevent LXD from crashing
[20:16] <Randolf> Yeah, htop is pretty nice.
[20:16] <seer> SemiControl: It will show a task manager, Terminal GUI
[20:16] <capncrunch4me> it just prevents it from crashing in the middle of the day, whenever it wants
[20:17] <SemiControl> seer,  can it make performance tests/ benchmarks Randolf
[20:17] <seer> SemiControl: Not that I know of
[20:17] <SemiControl> k
[20:17] <Randolf> SemiControl:  Oh, I had no idea about that.
[20:17] <oerheks> capncrunch4me, that crashing,all containers.. sounds like an other issue than updating
[20:17] <seer> I assumed you were looking to troubleshoot what was hogging all of your system resources SemiControl
[20:18] <patri> SEX
[20:18] <SemiControl> seer,  I think the SSD is writing tooooo slow
[20:18] <capncrunch4me> oerheks: it is due to LXD updating, and crashing, and dumping containers
[20:18] <capncrunch4me> this is an LXD issue, not necessarily a snap issue
[20:18] <seer> SemiControl: Personally I would use a task manager and try to kill off things that are using a good % of SSD writing. If that doesn't work then sure. I would try updating hardware drivers
[20:19] <capncrunch4me> although LXD cannot find snap daemon on update
[20:19] <capncrunch4me> even though it is there
[20:19] <capncrunch4me> and running
[20:20] <seer> SemiControl: I thinkthis could help you http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/drivers Maybe the SSD is writing so slow because of closed source drivers?
[20:21] <Randolf> Yuck.
[20:21] <seer> Randolf: :D
[20:21] <Randolf> Hardware vendors should make all their drivers open source.
[20:21] <seer> Used closed source drivers of suffer slow writing
[20:21] <Randolf> If they did that, they'd get a lot more OS support.
[20:21] <seer> Or switch to another SSD
[20:21] <seer> idk
[20:24] <seer> SemiControl: Did that help any?
[20:27] <SemiControl> seer,  https://imgur.com/a/KRTuIFh
[20:31] <Shmam> Is the package `linux-base` a kernel update? So should I restart after installing the update to the package?
[20:33] <Shmam> hello?
[20:35] <JimBuntu> !linux-base
[20:36] <ducasse> !info linux-base
[20:37] <MonkeyDust> Shmam  in a terminal, type   apt-cache show linux-base
[20:37] <Shmam> so would that require a restart? its quite vague with the description
[20:38] <Shmam> "This package contains files and support scripts for all Linux images."
[20:38] <Shmam> ahh yes, files and scripts
[20:38] <Shmam> it sounds pretty important so I would think that I need to reboot after updating it
[20:38] <Shmam> but idk
[20:39] <jadi> Hi. I am trying to install Ubuntu 18.04 I flashed it to the pendrive using Rufus and then booted into it on the computer. It boots fine and I select Install Ubuntu and it goes to a desktop im presuming but there are no icons or taskbar, Just the background image. I have reflashed, tried different pendrives and the same problem occurs each time. What do I do? Thanks
[20:40] <MonkeyDust> jadi  try change the screen resolution
[20:40] <MonkeyDust> or aspect
[20:40] <jadi> But there is no interface so how would I do that
[20:40] <jadi> Even pressing CTRL + ALT + DEL does nothing
[20:40] <jadi> Nor does the Windows Key
[20:40] <MonkeyDust> try ctrl alt backspace
[20:41] <jadi> Nope
[20:41] <jadi> Does nothing
[20:42] <MonkeyDust> jadi  sounds like the installed failed somehow
[20:42] <MonkeyDust> installation*
[20:43] <jadi> I have also restarted multiple times and tried the check disk option. It says the disk is fine and then restarts once its finished but the install always goes to an empty screen
[20:44] <compdoc> you should read the SMART from the disk
[20:44] <compdoc> its the only real way to know if its dying
[20:44] <jadi> Its a flash drive
[20:44] <compdoc> ah, nm  :)
[20:44] <jadi> Oof
[20:44] <jadi> I really dont know what I need to do here with this :/
[20:45] <xamithan> Did you try a different usb?
[20:46] <jadi> Yeah I tried a different one, same problem
[20:46] <ducasse> jadi: try booting the usb in 'try ubuntu' mode
[20:47] <jadi> Okay il try it
[20:47] <xamithan> Might have to nomodeset it if the live doesn't work
[20:48] <jadi> Same thing. Still not working
[20:48] <hk_> did u checked md5 ?
[20:49] <jadi> Yeah
[20:49] <hk_> how did u install it into usb?
[20:49] <jadi> Rufus
[20:49] <xamithan> Try the nomodeset jadi
[20:49] <jadi> How do I do that?
[20:50] <xamithan> hit e during the boot,  replace quiet splash with nomodeset,  ctrl+x
[20:50] <jadi> okay il try it one sec
[20:50] <xamithan> Then do the try ubuntu without installing again
[20:51] <gbc> hi all ... hoping someone can give me ideas on how to troubleshoot a server boot issue ... 14.04 cloud image running on 16.04 host ... the VM boots partially (i see upstart/init jobs starting on console) but never gets to login prompt; network starts (ping works), but sshd/telnetd dont
[20:51] <gbc> ... if i can't login to VM, how can i tell what's causing the boot sequence to hang?
[20:52] <jadi> Holy crap, its works. Thanks so much xamithan and everyone else who helped :D
[20:52] <xamithan> You might have to do that again after the installation too,  at least until you install the video drivers
[20:52] <hk_> :D
[20:52] <MonkeyDust> xamithan  +1
[20:52] <jadi> Thanks everyone. Have a good evening :D
[20:54] <iresf> hello
[20:54] <hk_> hello
[20:54] <iresf> NetworkManager is using 100% cpu    and i could not find a solution
[20:54] <iresf> please help to solve it
[20:55] <compdoc> did you change things in NetworkManager
[20:55] <leftyfb> iresf: what version of ubuntu?
[20:55] <iresf> no
[20:55] <iresf> leftyfb : ubuntu 16.04
[20:59] <iresf> also unity-control-center is using high cpu
[21:01] <Sven_vB> when the udev docs say about "urbnum" (a property of a USB device) "number of URBs submitted for the whole device", does "submitted" mean this is about data sent from the computer to the USB device and is definitely in no way about data received?
[21:09] <maddawg2> question... does ubuntu have a supported way to install ubuntu to a USB drive and boot a fully functional Ubuntu install from the USB drive?
[21:09] <maddawg2> like a Ubuntu to Go
[21:09] <maddawg2> but still have a filesystem that can be modified etc
[21:10] <compdoc> you can boot live, but dont think it saves your settings
[21:10] <maddawg2> i'm looking for a cheap way to dual boot my windows machine without creating a seperate partition for ubuntu
[21:10] <tgm4883> maddawg2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[21:11] <EriC^^> maddawg2: installing to the usb would work
[21:11] <maddawg2> mainly cuz i use it for work primarily, but when i'm home on my dock i'd love to be able to just boot to an external drive
[21:11] <maddawg2> EriC^^, would it?
[21:11] <maddawg2> that's good to know
[21:11] <EriC^^> i haven't had luck with usb installs though, maybe the usb was just bad quality but they ruined quickly
[21:11] <jpleau> Anyone has the issue when trying to unlock the desktop, can't enter password because the UI keeps going "Incorrect password" every 1 second automatically? It's like it's on a timer to press enter by itself.
[21:12] <pragmaticenigma> jpleau: make sure you don't have a key stuck on the keyboard?
[21:12] <jpleau> pragmaticenigma: I don't. Restarting gdm fixes it.
[21:13] <EriC^^> maddawg2: yeah just make sure in the installer to choose something else and then after partitioning choose bootloader location on the usb at the bottom
[21:13] <jpleau> pragmaticenigma: I think I found a way to reproduce. If I run "gnome-shell --replace&", then lock the screen, I can't log back in. I haven't found another way to restart shell (ALTF2 r doesn't work for me.. I get "command not found")
[21:14] <EriC^^> if you're using uefi on the pc you'll need some modifications to make it boot on any uefi pc
[21:14] <maddawg2> i will be using uefi so good to know
[21:14] <maddawg2> i'll look into that
[21:15] <maddawg2> i was gonna do windows but it seems the only wya to do it with that is having windows 10 enterprise
[21:15] <pragmaticenigma> jpleau: why are you running gnome-shell manually?
[21:15] <EriC^^> maddawg2: any windows should work
[21:16] <maddawg2> EriC^^, no.. you cant install windows to USB drives
[21:16] <maddawg2> it wont let you
[21:16] <maddawg2> you can do a windows PE environment
[21:16] <jpleau> pragmaticenigma: I'm trying to restart it. (Adding a new extension manually for example).
[21:16] <EriC^^> oh, thought you meant something else
[21:16] <maddawg2> but it's not the same thing
[21:17] <EriC^^> with ubuntu you'll want to install the efi files in the removeable device location so any pc will pick it up and start grub for you
[21:18] <EriC^^> maddawg2: basically you just run 'sudo grub-install --force-extra-removable'
[21:18] <en1gma> what command is used to see how the dvd drive is connected to the motherboard on a laptop?
[21:18] <en1gma> sata or pcie etc...
[21:19] <maddawg2> thanks EriC^^ all good info... i'll try it out
[21:19] <en1gma> i tried lsusb and lspci but it dont show right up at least by the dvd rom name
[21:20] <EriC^^> en1gma: sudo lshw | grep -C4 -i dvd
[21:20] <EriC^^> maddawg2: no problem
[21:20] <en1gma> EriC^^ very nice. thanks
[21:22] <RoadRunner> Problems after removing old linux-image kernels:   https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bxJGKTPG57/
[21:24] <EriC^^> RoadRunner: sudo rm them?
[21:25] <RoadRunner> EriC^^: sudo didn't do the trick and rm wouldn't work 'cause they were packages not files
[21:25] <EriC^^> RoadRunner: sudo rm /boot/initrd.img-4.4.0-97-generic ?
[21:27] <RoadRunner> EriC^^: I believe I tried that  but got nowhere; since most of the packages were removed am getting: "not removed because not installed"
[21:27] <EriC^^> that sounds like an apt error more than a rm error
[21:29] <RoadRunner> EriC^^: maybe, but now the question is, how do I get rid of them?
[21:29] <EriC^^> run this 'sudo rm /boot/initrd.img-4.10.0-27-generic /boot/initrd.img-4.4.0-{96,97}-generic
[21:29] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: EriC^^ Be good to see what kernels are installed ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ' . See if we can sic dpkg on the residue ??
[21:29] <EriC^^> nevermind the ' before sudo
[21:30] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: here is the full story https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jXXxpNnZ35/
[21:30] <Marikos> Trying to grok what just happened to my box, load spiked to over 90, and my slab memory went from about 3/16 gigs to over 12/16...  Here's the top of `slabtop` https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Dny5TW426R/
[21:31] <Marikos> last 7 hours in grafana https://i.imgur.com/Vh31D1S.png
[21:32] <Marikos> I spun down some services and the load demamd went away, but the slab usage is still through the roof
[21:34] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: to make a long story short, ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ' doesn't seem to show the residue
[21:36] <gbc> hi, all .. can anyone please help me track down a server boot issue?
[21:37] <EriC^^> gbc: what's the problem?
[21:37] <en1gma> is there something like cpu-z in the ubuntu repo?
[21:37] <EriC^^> en1gma: what does cpu-z do?
[21:37] <en1gma> it shows your motherboard, cpu, ram info
[21:37] <EriC^^> en1gma: there's "inxi"
[21:37] <gbc> vm partially boots ... i see upstart/init jobs starting, but I never get a console prompt; network starts, but i can't ssh/telnet ...
[21:38] <en1gma> https://www.techpowerup.com/download/cpu-z/
[21:38] <gbc> how can i tell where the boot fails if i can't login to it? looking for suggestions
[21:38] <pavlos> en1gma: cpu-g
[21:38] <en1gma> pavlos i looked for it in the repo and it didnt come up
[21:38] <pavlos> en1gma: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2016/03/gtk3-version-of-cpu-g-cpu-z-for-linux/
[21:38] <en1gma> EriC^^ lemme look for inxi
[21:38] <EriC^^> gbc: /var/log/boot.log or /var/log/syslog might show some info
[21:39] <pavlos> en1gma: you can install via .deb or there is a ppa at the bottom
[21:39] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: any other ideas?
[21:39] <gbc> EriC, i need to be able to log into the VM to see its logs; i can't login to it
[21:40] <en1gma> pavlos that was the first one i installed and it installed but i couldnt get it to launch
[21:40] <en1gma> what is command to start it from a term?
[21:40] <coolchris> how can i run a desktop on my computer and have someone run a remote desktop into the same computer under another account ubuntu 18.04
[21:40] <pavlos> en1gma: let me try the .deb on my system
[21:40] <en1gma> i installing the deb again. im on 18.04 lts btw
[21:42] <en1gma> there is an icom in the app drawer i guess its called and it seems to work good.
[21:42] <en1gma> just couldnt figure out how to launch it from a term
[21:42] <en1gma> thanks
[21:43] <compdoc> coolchris, you could do that with x2go, and probably VNC, or xrdp
[21:44] <coolchris> ok
[21:44] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: lemme back read .. was away .
[21:44] <gbc> EriC, since I can't login to the VM to see its logs, i tried mounting the VM's qcow inside the host and inspecting the log directory that way ... but the boot.log and syslog don't seem to be updated during the boot process (maybe doesn't get far enough into boot sequence to launch syslog()
[21:45] <RoadRunner> EriC^^: Bashing-om: aslo guys, this is just one of my 2 problems; what about  the internet connectivity issue (2nd part of my original paste)?
[21:45] <oerheks> inxi -w haarlem, netherlands
[21:45] <Marikos> No thoughts on this weird memory issue? Google is letting me down...
[21:45] <EriC^^> gbc: maybe try editing grub to boot without quiet splash and possibly some more verbose debug level?
[21:46] <EriC^^> RoadRunner: the internet might need some nonfree package, try enabling the multiverse repo and look at the additional drivers
[21:46] <Kon-> Does 18.04 no longer have a true resolv.conf?
[21:46] <pavlos> en1gma: the .deb installed in my system, it brought in 27 more packages and installed it in //opt/extras.ubuntu.com/cpu-g/bin/
[21:46] <EriC^^> RoadRunner: does 'rfkill list' show anything blocked?
[21:47] <Kon-> Looks like there's just a link to a stub file which is dependent on systemd-resolve
[21:47] <pavlos> en1gma: /opt/extras.ubuntu.com/cpu-g/bin/cpu-g is the bin
[21:47] <coolchris> what is the session command for ubuntu 18.04 something like xfce4-session but the one that comes with 18.04
[21:47] <Marikos> @kon- I think that was true even in 16.04
[21:48] <pragmaticenigma> jpleau: That appears to be a edge case that isn't really supported. gnome-session is meant to run within the GDM environment. I would look up how to start an instance of Gnome from TTY (suchas startx)
[21:49] <Bashing-om> !info  linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04 xenial
[21:49] <RoadRunner> EriC^^: unfortunately, I am not at that comp now (diff address); also, this is a new problem for me; could you spell it out for me like for a complete newbie (ie: list all the places to check when I return to the comp in question)?
[21:50] <gbc> EriC...i like that idea (edit grub)... been looking into that ... since i can't login to VM, i can only edit its filesystem by mounting it in the host...i can edit grub.cfg that way, but haven't figured out how to do update-grub (running that on the host will just reference the hosts's grub.cfg)
[21:52] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: ^^ What kernel are you presently booting with ' uname -r ' ?
[21:52] <RoadRunner> EriC^^: for example, where would I find the 'rfkill list' and how would enabling the multiverse repo help me if I can't go online to download or update any packages?
[21:53] <bumblefuzz> so, a little weird
[21:53] <bumblefuzz> when I do 'sudo hamachi login'
[21:53] <bumblefuzz> it tells me "/etc/init.d/logmein-hamachi start"
[21:54] <bumblefuzz> hanachi does not seem to be running run '/etc/init.d/logmein-hamachi start' to start daemon
[21:54] <bumblefuzz> and when I run that, it tells me 'Starting LogMeIn Hamachi VPN tunneling engine logmein-hamachialready running'
[21:55] <bumblefuzz> something screwy is going on here
[21:55] <bumblefuzz> anyone got any ideas?
[21:55] <bumblefuzz> why would it tell me that it's not running and then tell me that it is
[21:56] <pragmaticenigma> !enter | bumblefuzz
[21:56] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: tried both 4.10.0-37 and 4.4.0-116; could connect to the internet with either...
[21:57] <bumblefuzz> when I run 'sudo hamachi login' it tells me 'Hamachi does not seem to be running. Run '/etc/init.d/logmein-hamachi start' to start daemon.' but when I run '/etc/init.d/logmein-hamachi start' it tells me 'Starting LogMeIn Hamachi VPN tunneling engine logmein-hamachialready running'
[21:59] <RoadRunner> where would I find logs for booting and bash sessions?
[22:00] <bumblefuzz> pragmaticenigma: do you have any ideas?
[22:00] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: Networking is not in my tool box, much. But, what can you ping .. when you have physical access - your router and what results ' ping -c3 8.8.8.8 ' ?
[22:01] <pragmaticenigma> bumblefuzz: how did you install the application?
[22:02] <bumblefuzz> pragmaticenigma: here: https://www.vpn.net/linux
[22:02] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: sorry, typo: I meant: could NOT connect to the internet with either...
[22:03] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: ' journalctl -b -0 ' shows messages from the current boot.
[22:03] <pragmaticenigma> bumblefuzz: Applications not obtained through the Official Ubuntu software channels is not supportable here. You will have to go to the site you downloaded the application from for support.
[22:07] <Marikos> It looks like it may be cadvisor that was the culprit, my usage stopped growing once I spun it down, and started growing again if I brought it back up, but now I've got a crap ton of memory in use that I don't know how to free up w/o a reboot
[22:10] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: that log is over 1600 lines! it would take a day to go through it all even if I knew what everything meant...
[22:10] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: Sorry, can not teach you to read :)
[22:13] <RoadRunner> RoadRunner: :)... (tears dropping on my counter top); in what part of the root fs are all these logs (including logs from terminal sessions)?
[22:13] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: in what part of the root fs are all these logs (including logs from terminal sessions)?
[22:16] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: ' less ~/.bash_history ' for the terminal .
[22:17] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: Many logs are in the /var/log/ directory .
[22:21] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: are logs of earlier boots also stored for some time and if so how to check them?
[22:22] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: No, that must be enabled prior .
[22:22] <tgm4883> Bashing-om: wouldn't those automatically be available via journalctl -b 1 ?
[22:23] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: if there were error messages in earlier boots, would they be singled out and strored in some log sepparately?
[22:24] <nacc> RoadRunner: no, errors are not stored separately
[22:24] <Bashing-om> tgm4883: No, have got to create the "old file' directory and set storage in /etc/systemd/journald.conf .
[22:24] <tgm4883> Bashing-om: what does -b 1 give me then?
[22:25] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: see: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-journalctl-to-view-and-manipulate-systemd-logs .
[22:25] <tgm4883> Bashing-om: or are you specifically talking about it also spiiting it out to a file
[22:25] <tgm4883> RoadRunner: journalctl is probably worth learning
[22:26] <Bashing-om> -b1 is the previos boot IF you have persistence enabled ; so far as I know .
[22:26] <tgm4883> Bashing-om: either it's enabled by default or there's always -b1 status. I've not configured it
[22:26] <nacc> i think the journal is persistent by default now, and i think it's setup to keep some number of boots
[22:26] <nacc> the journal is weird in that it's not text, that's all i know
[22:27] <nacc> so it's using marks or whatever to know what a 'boot' is
[22:27] <Bashing-om> nacc: 16.04 ?? set as persistence now ?
[22:27] <tgm4883> not sure why -b0 and -b2 are the same on mine
[22:28] <nacc> Bashing-om: 18.04
[22:28] <russell--> hi, i had an situation where 16.04 on kernel 4.13.0-39 had a problem where writes to usb-storage would fail silently, i.e. "dd if=my.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=1M ; sync" would appear to succeed, but unplugging and replugging and the old content was still there. occurred across two different thumbdrives. a reboot fixed it. wtf?
[22:28] <nacc> tgm4883: journalctl --list-boots may tell you something
[22:29] <tgm4883> nacc: nope. Just tells me that I have 2 boots (-1 and 0)
[22:29] <Bashing-om> tgm4883: My notes: you can either create the directory to store the journal by sudo mkdir -p /var/log/journal; or Or you can edit the journal configuration file: setting the Storage= option to "persistent" .
[22:31] <Jordan_U> russell--: To be completely honest, I think user error is much more likely in this case than a kernel bug. How did you verify the device to use with of with your dd command? How did you verify that the contents of the drive were the "old" contents rather than the "new"? Do you have the bash_history of the commands you ran?
[22:32] <russell--> Jordan_U: one of the inputs was /dev/urandom
[22:32] <RoadRunner> thanks for the info on journals guys; it'll certainly give me something to study
[22:33] <russell--> Jordan_U: the original content (a bootable filesystem) was present on replug
[22:33] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: regarding connectivity, what ip device/address is 8.8.8.8?
[22:34] <russell--> ddrescue did the same thing, a large .iso (~2GB) finished much more quickly than expected, which was the first clue.
[22:34] <russell--> sync'd afterwards before unplugging
[22:34] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: Correct . if ya can ping 8.8.8.8 bit not "google.com" then you have a DNS issue in your config .
[22:34] <Jordan_U> russell--: How did you verify which device to use with of= in your dd command?
[22:34] <russell--> and, after a reboot, normal behavior resumed
[22:34] <russell--> dmesg
[22:35]  * russell-- has been using linux since 1992
[22:35] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: '8.8.8.8' is Google's IP .
[22:35] <russell--> fwiw
[22:35] <SomeT> when I reboot my server on digitalocean on ubuntu the site no longer loads, I have error in nginx logs of: 2018/05/01 22:21:28 [emerg] 2598#2598: bind() to 0.0.0.0:80 failed (13: Permission denied) however if I reset the nginx server (not the actual server as rebooting is what causes the issue in that respect) it fixes the problem, but the problem occurs again when I reboot my system, how do
[22:35] <SomeT> I fix this?
[22:38] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: I have Peer Guardian linux installed on that comp; could removal of old keernels somehow corrupted something in its config which is creating a problem now (some warning about it flew by either in terminal or on boot)?
[22:40] <Jordan_U> russell--: Can you reliably reproduce the problem anymore?
[22:40] <SomeT> "just whatever is starting nginx needs to start the master as a superuser, the workers use nobody or some other user"
[22:40] <SomeT> so how would I do that?
[22:41] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: Boot a liveDVD/USB ( no idea what Peer Guardian linux  is) . do you then have networking ?
[22:41] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: yes
[22:41] <Jordan_U> russell--: Did you confirm that dd exited without any error message? Did you confirm that it returned a 0 exit code?
[22:42] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: Peer Guardian is an ip blocking firewall
[22:42] <russell--> Jordan_U: not at the moment, but it happend a couple months ago too. there were no error messages. no errors in dmesg
[22:44] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: If network is available in the live, and not in the install, then you have a config/driver issue in the install.
[22:45] <Jordan_U> russell--: If you ever can reproduce it again, please pastebin all of the commands you ran, including "dmesg | tail" to confirm the device name and commands to confirm that the contents of the USB drive have not changed when they should have.
[22:45] <russell--> Jordan_U: I remember all the commands
[22:45] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: or connection is blocked by the firewall I mentioned; but assuming its a config/driver issue, how do I fix it?
[22:46] <Jordan_U> russell--: Remembering isn't the important part, having it all recorded in the *output* of one terminal is the important part.
[22:46] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: Blockage falls under config issue .
[22:47] <Jordan_U> russell--: And then, ideally, you would not reboot until a developer is able to give you further debug steps.
[22:48] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: I will check if PG's config has changed compared to before; I can also try to temporarily uninstall it but if that makes no diff, what would you suggest?
[22:48] <russell--> i am 100% certain i had the output drive right, fwiw.
[22:50] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: 'cause as I said earlier in my paste, the settings for the LAN connection are identical in both the liveCD and HD boot situations
[22:52] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: and the selection is for Automatic DHCP so should be pretty simple, but...
[22:53] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: Ping ! If netwoking is good in the live, then hardware is good .
[22:54] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: I will ping as you suggested but if it turns out that I can't even ping my router than what?
[22:54] <russell--> this is interesting:
[22:55] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: Cross bridges as you come to them - also keep in mind your system is not updated to current kernel.
[22:55] <russell--> Apr 30 22:59:34 vanhorn systemd[1495]: dev-disk-by\x2dlabel-Ubuntu\x2dGNOME\x5cx2016.04.3\x5cx20LTS\x5cx20amd64.device: Dev dev-disk-by\x2dlabel-Ubuntu\x2dGNOME\x5cx2016.04.3\x5cx20LTS\x5cx20amd64.device appeared twice with different sysfs paths /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.6/0000:03:00.0/usb3/3-1/3-1.4/3-1.4:1.0/host9/target9:0:0/9:0:0:0/block/sdc and
[22:55] <russell--> /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.6/0000:03:00.0/usb3/3-1/3-1.4/3-1.4:1.0/host9/target9:0:0/9:0:0:0/block/sdc/sdc2
[22:57] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: the problem is that every time I make the next fix attempt I have to travel... so I am trying to be as prepared as possible.  Regarding the current kernel: is it possible to download it on another comp and then transfer to and install from usb?
[22:59]  * russell-- remembers to look at udisksd braindamage the next time this is observed
[22:59] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: Sure it is "possible"; as to what it would take .. Wow. no idea .. all them dependencies would also have to be made available .
[22:59] <stochastix> is there a package for atom ide in the repos?
[23:00] <stochastix> I dont see one yet
[23:02] <stochastix> Hmm, seems you need to just get it from github
[23:04] <Kon-> Any dnscrypt-proxy users here?
[23:04] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: since all of my current problems stem from an overaccumulation of old kernels, I have to ask: what's the advantage of partitioning the drive with a separate small boot partition scheme unlike the single large main partition like bfr?
[23:06] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: If your partitioning is ext4, and not LVM then one DOES NO seperate boot, then becomes a liability with a seperate /boot .
[23:07] <Kon-> Hmm I always do / as ext4 but separate /boot as ext2
[23:09] <Bashing-om> Kon-: LVM requires a seperate /boot . else " A separate /boot is something of an anachronism, dating back to limited PC BIOSes that could only handle small disks," .
[23:09] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: so what's the advantage of a sepparate boot partition?
[23:10] <designbybeck2> how do I update  Ubuntu Bionic Beaver (development branch) to the LTS? I thought: sudo apt dist-upgrade
[23:10] <designbybeck2> ??
[23:11] <nicomachus> designbybeck2: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[23:11] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: I say again in a conventional install a seperate /boot is a liability . Why do you think that by default there is no seperate /boot ? .
[23:12] <designbybeck2> https://thepasteb.in/p/DRhjWnvEvEzfy
[23:12] <designbybeck2> nicomachus:  ^ it told me that
[23:13] <DELTA10> Client: HexChat 2.14.1 • OS: Ubuntu "bionic" 18.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU    Q6600  @ 2.40GHz (2,66GHz) • Memory: Physical: 7,6 GiB Total (5,7 GiB Free) Swap: 2,0 GiB Total (2,0 GiB Free) • Storage: 2,4 TB / 3,5 TB (1,0 TB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GM206 [GeForce GTX 960] @ Intel Corporation 82X38/X48 Express DRAM Controller • Uptime: 6h 32m 35s
[23:15] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: as I recall my instalation on the comp in question, I just went with default choices and ended up with LVM (that I didn't specifically ask for or new anything about)
[23:15] <starlabs> Hey guys
[23:15] <eclipse_> Hello, I have a questions about Unison File sync. If anyone us familiar with this tool please let me know. Thanks : )
[23:15] <starlabs> Wow
[23:16] <designbybeck2> nicomachus:  this is what i was following: https://websiteforstudents.com/upgrade-ubuntu-16-04-lts-to-ubuntu-18-04-lts-beta-server/
[23:16] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: Right. LVM does require a seperate boot, and yes it is too small of a partition unless one really stays on top if it .
[23:16] <designbybeck2> but I guess that does say server. This was just the 18.04 beta that came out a few weeks ago. I'm just trying to upgrade it to 18.04 LTS
[23:17] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: Keep in mind that on a server ... LVM is a God send !
[23:17] <Jordan_U> designbybeck2: So you installed 18.04 while it was in beta and you want to update to the "final release"?
[23:18] <designbybeck2> correct Jordan_U, isn't that possible?
[23:18] <Jordan_U> designbybeck2: It happens automatically. Just "sudo apt update" and "sudo apt upgrade" and if everything is up to date, you're already there.
[23:19] <designbybeck2> hmmmm... that didn't seem to work
[23:19] <designbybeck2> Jordan_U: or at least it still says Development Branch
[23:19] <Bashing-om> !final | designbybeck2
[23:19] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: so what  are LVM's advantages for servers?
[23:19] <Jordan_U> designbybeck2: Where does "it" say development branch still?
[23:19] <designbybeck2> Jordan_U: on sudo lsb_release -a
[23:20] <designbybeck2> Bashing-om:  that doesn't seem to work
[23:20] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: re-arrange partitions ( sizes ) on the fly .
[23:20] <kostkon> designbybeck2, do another round of sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:21] <designbybeck2> Oh maybe it is working now
[23:21] <designbybeck2> don't think i did the sudo apt update first
[23:21] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: seems to be pretty straight forward to resize ext4 with GParted
[23:21] <designbybeck2> kostkon: that seemed to be it, had to do that twice
[23:21] <designbybeck2> had about 500mb of files it is doing now
[23:22] <designbybeck2> Thank you all!
[23:22] <guiverc> RoadRunner, you need space; you add disks to your machine, grow (resize) your partitions, then days-weeks later when not needed you resize down & eject disks  - lvm allows this during operation (no down time, no reboots - gparted requires umount, etc)
[23:23] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: While true .. got to take the server off-line and work from that live image in GParted . Manageing LVM can be done on the fly without taking off-line .
[23:23] <Jordan_U> designbybeck2: Please pastebin the output of "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade".
[23:24] <Bashing-om> !lvm | RoadRunner
[23:25] <Nick1296> So I installed 18.04 LTS on a spare Hitacti hooked up to the USB cable. I'm getting I/O errors left and right.
[23:25] <Nick1296> Would the USB interface cause that or is the drive shot?
[23:25] <Kon-> RoadRunner: How big is your /boot partition that you are having problems managing kernels?
[23:25] <Randolf> Nick1296:  What kinds of errors?  Can you paste one of them here?
[23:25] <spikebike> many USB chips in external usb widgets are clones of clones of clones of pirated controllers that were poorly implemented in the first place
[23:25] <Bashing-om> !md5sum | Nick1296
[23:26] <guiverc> Nick1296, I'd use `smartctl` to view smart data to check your drive's health.  i/o makes me think more of cable or connection..
[23:26] <RoadRunner> Kon-: the default install made it ~480MB
[23:26] <Randolf> spikebike:  Wow, I didn't realize the problem was that bad.  That brings back memories from the Commodore 64 video game piracy days.
[23:26] <spikebike> Nick1296: if you are going to pitch the drive anyways, you could shuck the drive and use the bare sata
[23:27] <spikebike> Randolf: yeah it's ugly, look at the linux kernel driver for usb, there's black lists for avoiding broken features on various broken chipsets
[23:27] <Nick1296> It's not an enclosure. It's a cable you plug into a bare drive.
[23:27] <spikebike> Nick1296: has to have a usb <-> sata chip somewhere along the line
[23:27] <RoadRunner> Kon-: I now have only 3 images (and perhaps some remnants from 3 more) and the partition is half full
[23:27] <spikebike> step #1 in any hardware debugging, replace all the cables
[23:28] <Randolf> spikebike:  That's too bad that's happened.  I was one of Intel's survey participants in the early design-stage of USB, so it has a special warm spot in my heart.  ;)
[23:28] <russell--> ubottu: no one should be recommending md5sum today
[23:28] <spikebike> Randolf: cool, usb was good, mini usb good, microusb terrible, usb-c is looking better so far (from a hardware reliability standpoint)
[23:28] <Nick1296> I'll check the SMART data. It may be bad.
[23:29] <spikebike> although compatibilty is a mess with usb-c
[23:29] <RoadRunner> how common is it, from 16.04 on, to have kernel occumulation by mistake after autoupdates?
[23:29] <Nick1296> My experience is telling me the drive may be dead. Linux only really craps out when the hardware id dying.
[23:29] <Nick1296> is*
[23:30] <spikebike> Nick1296: I've blamed linux a bunch of times... every time it turns out it was dying hardware
[23:31] <Hermione> Anyone know what this means and how to fix it?  https://imgur.com/OVdkohJ
[23:31] <spikebike> often on reinstall it dies.. not becuase the upgrade is broken, but that the install works more of the hardware than the normal usage
[23:31] <spikebike> Hermione: wrong url?
[23:31] <pragmaticenigma> Hermione: that it's time for dinner?
[23:31] <pragmaticenigma> Hermione: fix is to eat food
[23:32] <Nick1297> 5,Reallocated Sectors Count,5,100,100,OK,393222,0,Enabled
[23:32] <Nick1297> 196,Reallocation Event Count,0,100,100,OK (Always passing),6,0,Enabled
[23:32] <Hermione> Yes, wrong url, sorry.
[23:32] <Nick1297> The drive looks shot
[23:32] <Hermione> https://imgur.com/OVdkohJ
[23:32] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: See: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1465050 ; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1357093 .
[23:32] <Hermione> Hmm
[23:32] <Hermione> Phone isn't copying the right link.
[23:32] <pragmaticenigma> Hermione: Might need to refresh the clipboard... same link
[23:33] <pavlos> Hermione: dough, peperoni, spinach, parmesan
[23:33] <Hermione>  https://imgur.com/FtPrKJM
[23:33] <Hermione> ^ that's the one I meanr
[23:33] <Hermione> meant*
[23:34] <Hermione> It was dough, spinach, diced tomatoes, mozzarella and garlic actually
[23:34] <pavlos> let's focus on the kernel panic
[23:35] <Hermione> Yes, please
[23:37] <fossycakes> hi, I'm having an issue with the ubuntu appindicators extension. No matter what I try, I can't get icons to appear in the top bar
[23:38] <fossycakes> (It's 18.04 with GNOME btw)
[23:40] <Fritzy> I upgraded from 17.10 -> 18.04 and now Gnome animations are being skipped. gnome-tweak shows animations enabled, direct rendering is working. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BvJ5QzQQpn/
[23:41] <pavlos> Hermione: that's a fresh 18.04 that upon boot it kernel panics?
[23:42] <Hermione> pavlos: I upgraded to 18.04, yes
[23:42] <pavlos> Hermione: so you went thru the do-upgrade action
[23:43] <Hermione> pavlos: yes
[23:45] <pavlos> Hermione: one suggestion is to boot, hold shift to get to the grub menu and boot with a previous kernel. I also read that your /boot partition may be full causing the panic.
[23:47] <Hermione> Ok
[23:50] <Hermione> I was able to boot to a previous kernel, yes.
[23:50] <pavlos> Hermione: df will show if your partition is full. Can you pastebin?
[23:51] <pavlos> Hermione: sudo apt install pastebinit; df | pastebinit   ... provide the link
[23:52] <kj4> hello, is BIOS or UEFI preferred for an all-ubuntu new installation of 18.04? thanks!
[23:53] <compdoc> uefi is great, if your pc supports it
[23:54] <kj4> compdoc: its a newish NUC that supports UEFI
[23:54] <compdoc> go with it. I think it boots faster
[23:54] <kj4> ok, thanks!
[23:54] <fossycakes> has anyone else had problems with tray icons on a fresh 18.04 installation? No matter what I try, I can't get them to appear
[23:58] <RoadRunner> is clearing out old kernels handled better under 18.04?
[23:59] <spikebike> clearing out old kernels works fine on 16.04 if not before
[23:59] <spikebike> apt-get autoclean