[00:14] <Howie69> bleh
[00:14] <Howie69> still looking for a apache2 channel to ask a question...
[00:14] <Howie69> But, since it's on an Ubuntu server, I guess I can ask here..
[00:14] <Howie69> I know it's something simple I'm overlooking...
[00:15] <Howie69> I have userdir module enabled and configured... and when I test it, I get 403 error...
[00:15] <Howie69> The dir and file is 755
[00:15] <RoyK> #httpd
[00:15] <Howie69> ahhh
[00:16] <Howie69> I bet I'm going to feel real dumb when I get the answer...
[00:21] <Howie69> ...and I do, but it's not my fault they changed the deny order :)
[00:28] <sarnold> rofl
[00:28] <sarnold> Howie69: was that seriously it?
[00:28] <Howie69> sarnold: And a few other changes from 2.2 to 2.4
[00:29] <Howie69> The last time I configured an apache2 server it was 2.2.  Thy renamed some modules, moved some configs, things like that
[02:30] <Tuna-Fish> Hi, how can I make the screen go to sleep after a while on a ubuntu server 18.04? Google only finds how to make it not do so on earlier ones.
[02:32] <genii> Does it only have one monitor?
[02:33] <Tuna-Fish> yes
[02:36] <genii> For permanent, add something like consoleblank=1 60           to the kernel options of /etc/default/grub file and sudo update-grub    ... in this example, monitor will turn off after 60 seconds if no activity
[02:38] <genii> So find a line in there like GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="something something"     and add a space after the last thing, and put consoleblank=1 <number of seconds to turn off after> between that and the ending double quotations
[04:11] <Tuna-Fish> genii: thanks, took this long until I was able to reboot. Although consoleblank=1 300 actually sets the blanking time to 1 second, consoleblank=300 did what I wanted it to
[04:50] <cpaelzer> good morning
[06:13] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:28] <Neo4> what length password should be?
[06:28] <Neo4> at least 15 - 20 symbols?
[06:28] <Neo4> I have 8 length password, is it weak?
[06:29] <Neo4> 25 character is a long password, however then longer password the more secure
[06:30] <Neo4> https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm
[06:38] <lordievader> The longer the more time it takes to bruteforce. The length of the password should be something you are comfortable with.
[06:40] <Neo4> yes
[06:40] <Neo4> we can select passwordk base on songs
[06:40] <Neo4> for example take a few first letters from song that you know
[06:40] <Neo4> something like
[06:41] <Neo4> where have all the good men gone?
[06:41] <Neo4> and where all the gods?
[06:41] <Neo4> where the street wise gerculeses to fight the rising odd
[06:42] <Neo4> password should be whatgmgawatgwtswgtftro
[06:42] <Neo4> yeasy
[06:42] <Neo4> or other song
[06:43] <lordievader> You have made your point.
[06:43] <Neo4> when I was afraid I was petrified
[06:43] <Neo4> kept thinking I could never live without you by my side
[06:43] <Neo4> but I spend so many times just thinking how you did me wrong
[06:43] <Neo4> ...
[06:43] <Neo4> pass wiwaiwpkticnlwybmsbissmtjthydmw
[06:44] <Neo4> lordievader: good methods?
[06:45] <Neo4> you can take 2 symbols first and last from each word and phrase will shorter
[06:47] <Neo4> lordievader: do you know how to use command line? options
[06:48] <Neo4> for example what is difference between apt-get -help and apt-get --help ?
[06:48] <OpenTokix> Just generate your passwords and use a password manager.
[06:48] <lordievader> OpenTokix: That is usually the best method.
[06:48] <Neo4> it has significant difference, who know what?
[06:48] <Neo4> -- or - ?
[06:49] <Neo4> OpenTokix: lordievader:  guys?
[06:49] <Neo4> ok, it might difficult question, I exmplaine
[06:49] <lordievader> Convention says - should be followed by a single letter while -- should be followed by a full word.
[06:50] <Neo4> lordievader: yes, you are right
[06:50] <OpenTokix> Neo4: It is a programming difference. There is sort of a standard that one dash - is used for short options like -h and double dash is used for long options, like --help.
[06:50] <Neo4> right
[06:50] <OpenTokix> but it is not a hard and fast rule, there is many exceptions ofc.
[06:51] <Neo4> apt-get -help = apt-get -h -e -l -p , it will execute like four parameters and apt-get --help usually uses to word
[06:51] <ducasse> for some programs at least, -help would give you options -h, -e, -l and -p
[06:51] <Neo4> OpenTokix: I didn't know this before reading linux bible book
[06:51] <Neo4> :)
[06:51] <OpenTokix> Neo4: Only bible worth reading
[06:52] <Neo4> OpenTokix: yes, there describe fedora and red hat, but UNIX family os all equal all that commands and approaches could be applied in any
[06:53] <Neo4> OpenTokix: I almost finished this book https://www.amazon.com/Linux-Bible-Christopher-Negus/dp/1118999878/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1525243987&sr=8-2&keywords=linux+bible
[06:53] <Neo4> have already read 600 pages
[06:53] <Neo4> very nice book, so many useful information...
[06:54] <Neo4> especially about man how to use it
[06:55] <Neo4> for to be powerful linux user we need to know how to edit text file, be able to use command line, vim
[06:55] <OpenTokix> Neo4: I dont think I am less interested of a subject in the world then the amount of pages you have read in a book, why are you telling anyone this? - Log out and keep reading.
[06:57] <Neo4> OpenTokix: I've read 30 page today, enough, will read later or tomorrow
[06:57] <Neo4> OpenTokix: many informations there
[06:57] <Neo4> I can't digest
[06:58] <Neo4> :)
[06:58] <Neo4> OpenTokix: remove windows and install linux! I really would say after that book you will easy use linux. it is really linux bible
[13:41] <tvw> What is the difference between Ubuntu Server and Ubuntu Live Server and why is the latter one the recommended variant? What does "Live" mean in this context - the other variant seems very alive too.
[13:42] <dpb1> tvw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes -- search for 'live'
[13:42] <ahasenack> I also think the "live" name is wrong
[13:42] <dpb1> it's not easily changed, but agreed it's not ideal
[13:42] <ahasenack> essentially "live" means the new installer
[13:46] <tvw> I read the ReleaseNotes. They only tell me what you cannot do with the "live" version and that it comes with a new installer. But installations is so fast, that there must be more differences. And after the first restart and logging in, I get some "cloud" messages, which I have not seen when installing with the classic installer.
[13:48] <ahasenack> tvw: well, the new installer is http://launchpad.net/subiquity if you want to learn what it does under the hood
[13:48] <ahasenack> https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/subiquity for the code
[13:51] <tvw> ahasenack: Thanks.
[14:05] <BLZbubba> tvw: live server has the horrible new installer
[14:18] <tvw> BLZbubba: I see ;-) To be honest, I like the overall approach. But I wonder why it is proposed as the main version while it seems to lack a lot of thinks as can be read in the Release Notes.
[14:19] <BLZbubba> yes, LTS releases are the worst time to surprise people.  they should have learned this with the !#%^#%^ upstart debacle in 2010
[14:28] <xnox> i agree that "Live" is a missnormer. Mostly a reflection, that it is not a minimal d-i environment, but actually a full ubuntu server squashfs running at runtime like the desktop installer.
[14:28] <xnox> e.g. switching to tty2, one gets a shell of a fully live session of Ubuntu Server.
[14:29] <xnox> one can "try" things there, like "Tru Ubuntu" from the desktop session.
[15:31] <dpb1> BLZbubba: I like the installer
[15:35] <BLZbubba> once it can partition drives properly i will be able to try it again.  at least the old version let me partition ahead of time, the new one insists on wiping it every time
[16:02] <dpb1> BLZbubba: that will come, yes.
[18:07] <nacc> dpb1: rbasak: do we have a page about the root mysql login stuff from 16.04? trying to find it in my history
[18:52] <Slashman> hello, I have a service that keeps crashing, it is generating core dumps "Main process exited, code=dumped, status=11/SEGV", where can I find those?
[18:53] <NightMonkey> Howdy. I use the CloudWatch perl scripts for my Ubuntu EC2 instances, which are launched from the official Ubuntu AMIs. I'm finding that recently the scripts are not reporting the disk mount devices as they used to ("/dev/xvda1") but now report them as "/dev/disk/by-uuid/c70a26ec-1dda-455c-acfd-792015b2bb6f". This causes my metrics to report "INSUFFICIENT_DATA". Has anyone found a fix for this?
[19:45] <rbasak> nacc: IIRC it's in NEWS.Debian
[19:46] <rbasak> Not sure though need to check
[19:58] <nacc> rbasak: ok, thanks just needed to point a user at it
[20:07] <ahasenack> Slashman: take a look in /var/crash
[20:08] <Slashman> ahasenack: thanks, unfortunately, I have rollbacked the container now, I'll take a look next time
[20:08] <ahasenack> Slashman: /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern is what tells how core files are handled
[20:08] <ahasenack> in ubuntu, that's this by default:
[20:08] <ahasenack> $ cat /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern
[20:08] <ahasenack> |/usr/share/apport/apport %p %s %c %d %P
[20:08] <ahasenack> apport then creates a "crash file" in /var/crash, which includes the core dump
[20:08] <Slashman> hm, and how does this translate to /var/crash ?
[20:09] <Slashman> ok
[20:09] <ahasenack> notice the pipe at the beginning
[20:09] <ahasenack> |/usr/share/....
[20:10] <ahasenack> NightMonkey: /dev/disk/.... is a link to /dev/xvda1, right? (in that example)