[00:00] <spikebike> or apt autoclean if you prefer
[00:02] <Hermione> pavlos: it said something about configuring something when I tried that command. So I did so and now it is uninstalling stuff and setting stuff up.
[00:03] <RoadRunner> spikebike: but there is still no "automatic" mechanism for removal of ealiest kernels when new ones are installed?
[00:04] <spikebike> Generally I just use "apt update; apt upgrade; apt autoremove;
[00:04] <spikebike> could put the apt autoremove in cron.daily if you wanted
[00:05] <spikebike> but generally kernel upgrades are additions to what you can boot, not replacements
[00:05] <spikebike> and generally you should keep 2-3 around or risk being unbootable
[00:05] <nacc> RoadRunner: use unattended-upgrades with a reasonable configuration
[00:05] <nacc> spikebike: autoclean is not the same as autoremove
[00:06] <spikebike> nacc: ah, right, sorry
[00:06] <nacc> RoadRunner: i believe the setting you want is commented out by default (kernels are not autoremoved)
[00:06] <nacc> RoadRunner: but if you simply use the metapackages that are installed by default, it will just work
[00:06] <tgm4883> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RemoveOldKernels
[00:06] <spikebike> apt autoremove -y in cron
[00:07] <nacc> spikebike: no need to reinvent unattended-upgrade
[00:07] <tgm4883> I don't think I'd want to cron autoremove
[00:07] <sky887_> hows everybody?
[00:08] <nacc> tgm4883: me neither, although it depends on how well tuned your package selection is
[00:08] <nacc> tgm4883: and how much you trust the ubuntu devs :)
[00:08] <tgm4883> nacc: That and it would have the ability to remove your running kernel
[00:09] <nacc> tgm4883: you mean if you've not rebooted in some time (or ignored the requests to do so)?
[00:09] <tgm4883> nacc: yes, or if you rebooted into the new kernel, there was some issue so you decided to reboot into the older kernel that works
[00:10] <nacc> tgm4883: yeah, i can see that
[00:11] <RoadRunner> What info is in linux-headers?
[00:11] <spikebike> tgm4883: apt autoremove won't remove a running kernel
[00:12] <spikebike> (till it's not running)
[00:13] <tgm4883> spikebike: that's good news. I thought that was the case, but wasn't confident
[00:14] <spikebike> tgm4883: on hosts with longer updates I'll often see the old kernel in /boot, but then all but the newest 2-3 after an apt autoremove.
[00:14] <spikebike> longer uptimes rather
[00:15] <Hermione> pavlos: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qXqPQqP8rK/
[00:15] <pavlos> RoadRunner: declaration of functions, parameters in files called headers, usually .h that can be included
[00:16] <pavlos> Hermione: not an issue sda5 / is 8% used so that recent kernel causes issues and you have to boot with a previous one
[00:16] <RoadRunner> thanks for all the wisdom :)
[00:17] <Hermione> pavlos: ok thanks
[00:17] <pavlos> Hermione: np
[00:17] <RoadRunner> last q for now: if a boot partition is out of inodes, will increasing the boot partition size increase inodes available to it?
[00:22] <genii> RoadRunner: No
[00:25] <en1gma> in ubuntu 18.04 (clock am/pm) in the top center. how do i add seconds?
[00:26] <fossycakes> I guess no one here can help, but if someone sees this later and can help, I posted the issue on AskUbuntu: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1030833/app-indicator-not-working-on-ubuntu-18-04
[00:26] <tgm4883> en1gma: click the clock > preferences > Show seconds
[00:27] <en1gma> tgm4883 is that where you select am/pm?
[00:27] <spikebike> en1gma: gnome-tweaks
[00:28] <en1gma> spikebike package i need to install?
[00:28] <spikebike> can add date as well if you want
[00:28] <spikebike> en1gma: yes, sudo apt install gnome-tweaks
[00:28] <en1gma> i have to install a package just to add seconds?
[00:28] <tgm4883> en1gma: no
[00:28] <spikebike> that's the way I know how to add the seconds, date, and related changes
[00:28] <tgm4883> en1gma: it's close to where you set am/pm, but not the same
[00:29] <spikebike> it also fixed the broken ubuntu 18.04 desktop switching
[00:29] <spikebike> (if you have 2 monitors)
[00:29] <tgm4883> broken desktop switching?
[00:29] <spikebike> tgm4883: with 2 monitors when you switch desktops it only moves one monitor (the primary)
[00:29] <spikebike> the secondary monitor never switches, and can't be switched
[00:30] <en1gma> tgm4883 i think that area is in settings>details>date and time. i only see am/pm there
[00:30] <tgm4883> spikebike: that sounds like a design decision unless you have a confirmed bug report
[00:30] <pavlos> tgm4883: hoe do you get prefs from the clock?
[00:30] <tgm4883> en1gma: it's not in settings. It's in preferences. I'd have to boot up a gnome-shell instance to verify, but I'd  think it would be the same
[00:31] <tgm4883> pavlos: maybe it's budgie specific
[00:31] <spikebike> tgm4883: I didn't look for a bug report, but what would only half your monitors switch?  I'd agree with you if they could switch seperately
[00:31] <pavlos> tgm4883: I have to use gnome-tweak to add seconds to the clock
[00:31] <tgm4883> spikebike: Maybe I want something on one monitor to stay there on all workspaces (music player, irc, etc)
[00:31] <en1gma> if i left click or right click the clock. it only shows "ADD for calendar"
[00:31] <tgm4883> pavlos: bummer
[00:32] <spikebike> tgm4883: that's not how any previous ubuntu did it.
[00:32] <spikebike> tgm4883: I can see being able to disable it for a second monitor, but making it by default seems very weird
[00:32] <tgm4883> spikebike: I'd argue that's how Ubuntu Gnome did it previously, but I'd have to install it to verify
[00:32] <spikebike> tgm4883: in any case it's a simple fix with gnome-tweaks
[00:32] <tgm4883> spikebike: in any case, this isn't really on topic for this channel
[00:33] <tgm4883> +1
[00:34] <pavlos> en1gma: try this from a term, gsettings set org.gnome.shell.clock show-seconds true
[00:36] <en1gma> pavlos checking. 1 sec
[00:37] <en1gma> gsettings set org.gnome.shell.clock show-seconds true
[00:37] <en1gma> crap. 1 sec
[00:37] <en1gma> No such schema “org.gnome.shell.clock”
[00:39] <pavlos> en1gma: the schema changed, try, gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface clock-show-seconds true
[00:40] <en1gma> k 1sec
[00:40] <solidfox> hello. I'm on kubuntu 18.04. I'd like to know how I can find the package that provides a certain header file
[00:40] <en1gma> pavlos you da man!
[00:40] <solidfox> in this case I need curses.h, but I want to know how to figure this out
[00:40] <en1gma> im saving that command
[00:40] <en1gma> thanks
[00:41] <pavlos> en1gma: better to install gnome-tweak that has many uses
[00:41] <spikebike> $ apt-file find kwallet.h
[00:41] <spikebike> kdelibs5-dev: /usr/include/kwallet.h
[00:41] <spikebike> libkf5wallet-dev: /usr/include/KF5/KWallet/kwallet.h
[00:41] <en1gma> im gonna make a note for that package. might do it as i like the date there too
[00:41] <spikebike> solidfox: ^
[00:42] <pavlos> en1gma: any if you want to play at the schema (but be careful), install dconf-editor
[00:43] <pavlos> en1gma: /at/with/
[00:43] <solidfox> spikebike, thanks. this is it.
[00:43] <en1gma> will do. prob install gnome-tweaks later if i really want the date. this stuff should be included in the area for clock settings
[00:48] <luxio> how do I get to the terminal screen in 18.04?
[00:49] <luxio> I remember there was some key combo to get to TTY
[00:49] <Howie69> From?
[00:49] <luxio> the desktop
[00:50] <Howie69> As in, leave the desktop and got to a fullscreen terminal?  Or go to the default terminal app?
[00:50] <pavlos> click Activities, search for term
[00:50] <luxio> fullscreen temrinal
[00:50] <luxio> alright so if something goes awry with X
[00:50] <luxio> like it freezes or something
[00:50] <luxio> what's the key combo I press to get to the terminal
[00:51] <luxio> so that I can killall X
[00:51] <johndunn> Control Alt T
[00:52] <pavlos> c-a-f2 will drop off X and go into text ... c-a-f1 will go back to X
[00:53] <Hermione> I'm able to boot now without going into advanced settings and choosing an older kernel
[00:53] <Hermione> And I got a screen telling me about what's new in 18.04
[00:54] <Hermione> So maybe the kernel is fixed now
[00:54] <pavlos> Hermione: well done
[00:54] <Hermione> :)
[01:18] <laptop> I need help
[01:19] <laptop> I extracted a windows iso to a
[01:19] <laptop> nfts partition and then I want to load it up to install windows from the partition from grub
[01:19] <zhaokun> ?
[01:19] <laptop> how do I do this
[01:20] <ram_> Hi all. In the Software & Updates program under **Other Software** there is a "Canonical Partners" source/repo. In `/etc/apt/source.list` there are 2 lines corresponding to this:
[01:20] <ram_> ```
[01:20] <ram_> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu wily partner
[01:20] <ram_> # deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu wily partner
[01:20] <ram_> ```
[01:20] <ram_> I am currently on the 18.04 LTS (`bionic`) release so should I manually change wily to bionic?
[01:20] <ram_> I have upgraded Ubuntu on my machine across several releases so I guess that's why it still says wily.
[01:21] <leftyfb> laptop: Your issue has nothing to do with Ubuntu and everything to do with Windows. It's also the very wrong way to do anything.
[01:21] <laptop> why you would recommend that I do this with a usb
[01:22] <laptop> stick
[01:22] <leftyfb> laptop: I recommend you install Ubuntu. For help beyond that with Windows, go to #windows or call Microsoft
[01:22] <Bashing-om> ram_: Should already have that entry for bionic partner in the default /etc/apt/sources.list file , no ?
[01:23] <compdoc> laptop, never heard of anyone extracting running the windows installer from a drive. best to copy to a usb stick or dvd
[01:23] <leftyfb> compdoc: if you'd like to help with a Windows issue, please take it to #windows with them or in private.
[01:24] <ram_> Bashing-om: no, there is no entry like that for bionic there already
[01:24] <ram_> for bionic partner that is
[01:24] <JohnnyonFlame> I just updated mesa from Padoka's PPA and now I'm getting 'symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/mesa/libGL.so.1: undefined symbol: xcb_dri3_get_supported_modifiers'
[01:24] <JohnnyonFlame> any ideas?
[01:25] <leftyfb> ram_: you can edit it manually
[01:25] <leftyfb> !ppa | JohnnyonFlame
[01:26] <leftyfb> JohnnyonFlame: I would suggest using ppa-purge to remove whatever it is you installed from that ppa to get back to a working state
[01:26] <ram_> leftyfb: so just change wily to bionic in those 2 lines then? I'm not sure if all my messages came through on the chat because i asked if i should do that.
[01:26] <leftyfb> ram_: yes
[01:27] <JohnnyonFlame> I'm aware, everything was working just fine til' now tho :(
[01:27] <leftyfb> JohnnyonFlame: that's how issues come about. Everything works fine till it doesn't
[01:27] <ram_> leftyfb: okay great. out of curiosity, why didn't any of my 3 or so previous dist upgrades change it to the correct dist since wily?
[01:27] <leftyfb> ram_: unknown
[01:28] <leftyfb> ram_: but future reference, sticking with LTS releases makes for an easier upgrade path, gets you longer support and more stable environments
[01:29] <blue1> leftyfb: can I upgrade a 14.04 server to 18.04 or do I need a different path?
[01:29] <ram_> leftyfb: thanks for the advice
[01:29] <leftyfb> blue1: I don't think so. You might need to go to 16.04 first. Though I would check the wiki/google to confirm
[01:30] <leftyfb> blue1: mind you, you'd be jumping 8 releases across 4 years
[01:30] <blue1> leftyfb: thank you.  I will see what I can find.....
[01:30] <blue1> leftyfb: precisely my fear
[01:32] <blue1> leftyfb: Found the answer:  Ubuntu does have LTS→LTS upgrades, allowing you to skip intermediate non-LTS releases...But you can't skip intermediate LTS releases. You have to go via 16.04.
[01:32] <bgill> day 2 no sound on my xubuntu box except as root. Permissions seem right in /dev/snd, anywhere else I should look?
[01:32] <bgill> I tried getting rid of pulseaudio, no change
[01:33] <bgill> using 16.04 LTS
[01:33] <blue1> bgill: i had to change that to chmod +666 believe it not
[01:34] <bgill> what everything in /dev/snd?
[01:35] <blue1> bgill: yes that's what I did -- chmod +666 -R /dev/snd
[01:35] <blue1> bgill: so everyone can read, everyone can write -- but no one can delete
[01:35] <Howie69> Sounds evil
[01:36] <blue1> Howie69: it's the chmod of last resort
[01:36] <bgill> hm still nothing but maybe I need to log out?
[01:36] <Howie69> :)
[01:36] <bgill> not sure why that would matter tho
[01:37] <blue1> bgill: not the settings, or backup the directory first -- apply the changes, and see if they work -- if not restore from backup and you are back to square one.
[01:37] <blue1> note even
[01:38] <bgill> well thanks, will give it a try.
[02:20] <Tuna-Fish> Hi, on Ubuntu Server 18.04, how can I make the screen go to sleep after a while?
[02:20] <Tuna-Fish> google only finds solutions for earlier versions to make it *not* go to sleep, and I'm not quite sure if the inverse of those still works?
[02:21] <ramrebol> I'm trying to compile a library, but something is missing (but in my ubuntu 16.04 compile perfect). Which c,c++ library are usual to install to develop code?
[02:23] <Tuna-Fish> ramrebol: the most important is build-essential
[02:24] <genii> ramrebol: Whatever application you're trying to compile usually has an applicationname-dev package
[02:24] <Tuna-Fish> beyond that, each library can have their own dependencies, those you just have to find out the hard way
[02:29] <guiverc> Tuna-Fish, #ubuntu-server may have more users with your answer
[02:29] <Tuna-Fish> thanks
[02:30] <oerheks> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/artful/man1/apt-get-build-depends.1.html
[02:32] <ramrebol> thank Tuna-Fish and genii i
[02:39] <gyre> so, i've installed 16.04 on my macbook air and after about 2 days the keyboard stopped working. I thought it was related to installing the latest trackpad xserver but removing it hasn't fixed the issue.
[02:40] <gyre> can anyone here help me get the keyboard working again?
[02:57] <luxio> I'm on 18.04 and VLC randomly stops playing video and freezes my entire system
[02:58] <luxio> it's super annoying
[02:58] <luxio> the only way to fix it is to hold the power button to shut off the computer
[02:59] <Bashing-om> !sysrq | luxio a better way to reboot:
[03:04] <linux_noobian> is there a good way to start an app with a hotkey? using 18.04. saw one way online but it's convoluted
[03:05] <lotuspsychje> linux_noobian: ive been testing things with gksu dconf-editor, you might wanna take a look
[03:07] <linux_noobian> lotuspsychje: don't know what that is. in kde you could do it via gui. in gnome, interface is so "simple", i'm having issues doing certain things kde could easily do'
[03:13] <Major_Wedgie> Can anyone recommend a tv tuner package for 18.04?
[03:13] <Major_Wedgie> I used to use me tv but it is no longer available
[03:20] <jet883> hello
[03:21] <jet883> I am trying to install the missing dependencies for a broken package installation. The command "apt-get install -f" only removes the broken package, rather than installing the missing dependencies.
[03:21] <pavlos> Major_Wedgie: found this post, not sure if it helps ... https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/how-to-watch-digital-tv-with-kaffeine-or-me-tv-in-ubuntu/906
[03:22] <leftyfb> jet883: what version of ubuntu? What is the package name?
[03:22] <jet883> xubuntu 18.04
[03:23] <jet883> package is VPN client from 3rd party
[03:24] <leftyfb> jet883: you'll have to contact the 3rd party for support with it then
[03:27] <help> hello
[03:28] <jet883> leftyfb, the dependencies are nothing unsual, openvpn, libqt5concurrent5, libcurl3, libc-ares2
[03:29] <jet883> But I thought there might be an apt-get switch to fetch them automatically
[03:31] <SlidingHorn> jet883: the -f switch basically asks apt-get to propose a solution.  Since you're installing a package that isn't provided in the repositories apt-get is searching, it's likely going to say "oh, there's the problem" and remove it.
[03:32] <tgm4883> SlidingHorn: slight correction. The dependencies that package is looking for aren't in the repositories
[03:32] <jet883> ohh
[03:33] <SlidingHorn> tgm4883: ah, noted, thank you for the correction
[03:33] <jet883> I get it now.
[03:33] <jet883> How do I figure out where to get the old dependenciess?
[03:35] <Kemikals> How do you reduce icon size on desktop and in show applications ? I can do it for the dock but can't find the option for the desktop
[03:35] <tgm4883> jet883: the best solution would be to ask the company for a package for 18.04
[03:35] <energizer> Is this the correct way to set up an encrypted drive? https://askubuntu.com/a/712403/433268
[03:36] <guiverc_d> jet883, if you wanted package 'liferea' you could use https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=liferea  (for ubuntu packages anyway) - it provides versions, different versions can use different APIs which is why apt has dep rules that stopped your package from installing...
[03:43] <jet883> tgm4883, why is it that aptitude can install the missing dependencies?
[03:43] <tgm4883> jet883: it can't...
[03:44] <tgm4883> jet883: I mean, I don't really know what you're trying to do there. But it can't install missing dependencies that aren't in the repo either
[03:44] <jet883> hm, well it installed the "libcurl3" ok
[03:45] <guiverc> jet883, have you tried the link i provided (use package names from your failure to install without version info; using them instead of my 'liferea' which was an example only)
[03:46] <Major_Wedgie> Great. Civ 5 works under 18.04. Now I'm never gonna get anything done.
[03:47] <Bashing-om> !info libcurl3 bionic | jet883 :
[03:47] <jet883> guiverc, yes thank you, I'm still looking for one called "iproute"
[03:47] <tgm4883> jet883: so I'm not sure what exactly you did to install it to begin with, or what the missing dependencies were. But libcurl3 is available in the repos so that's why it could install that. I'm not sure how you installed the VPN package that you're dealing with but the correct way to install it is to either install it in software center or with the apt command
[03:48] <tgm4883> jet883: that said, if you want to use aptitude, go right ahead. Different strokes for different folks
[03:49] <iopq> ubuntu is not detecting my second monitor
[03:49] <iopq> I have 16.04, the second monitor is connected to the onboard
[03:49] <eaglgenes101> With libinput and touchpads, I'm having cases where the cursor jumps forward in the direction I'm moving the cursor in, seemingly at random
[03:49] <iopq> I know it works because when I reboot it turns on to show the LXDE logo
[03:49] <eaglgenes101> Help?
[03:49] <iopq> but when Ubuntu is still working it turns off and it's not detected by Monitors app
[03:50] <eaglgenes101> If I systematically makes circles on the touchpad, the cursor ends up circling around other areas as the cursor jumps
[03:50] <Kemikals> How do you reduce icon size on desktop and in show applications ? I can do it for the dock but can't find the option for the desktop
[03:53] <eaglgenes101> @Kemikals open file browser, systematically open top bar menus until you see a zoom. Change that to 50% to get sensibly sized icons on Gnome
[03:53] <guiverc> jet883, the "route" command is found in net-tools (relegated); `ip route` should already be there, i don't know iproute but https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=iproute  shows not for bionic, but shows results... adding non-repo packages may cause stability issues so way cost & benefit..
[03:53] <jet883> success! Thanks for the help guys!
[03:54] <guiverc> s/way/weigh/
[03:56] <Kemikals> @eaglgenes101 this is as small as they go?
[03:56] <jet883> guiverc, ok, I'll try it out and see how well it works
[03:56] <Kemikals> Things are still huge lol
[03:57] <eaglgenes101> I dunno, 50% is my personal preference
[03:57] <eaglgenes101> You can turn them further down if you want I think
[03:57] <Kemikals> wont let me :(\
[03:57] <eaglgenes101> wait oh
[03:58] <eaglgenes101> cat face palm
[03:58] <SlidingHorn> iopq: are you using an offboard gpu?
[04:00] <eaglgenes101> There's probably some obscure tweak in gsettings that will let it go down, but I'm not about to go digging for that
[04:01] <eaglgenes101> So, about my own problem
[04:01] <eaglgenes101> libinput, touchpad. At random, the cursor jumps forward in the direction I'm moving my finger over the touchpad
[04:02] <eaglgenes101> Wasn't an issue in 17.10 even with almost the exact same configuration
[04:02] <energizer> when does unattended-upgrades run?
[04:09] <Bashing-om> energizer: Unattended-updates is triggered by a daily cronjob: /etc/cron.daily/apt-compat .
[04:10] <energizer> Bashing-om: thanks
[04:10] <linux_noobian> mouse back-forward doesn't work in nautilus in icon view. is this a bug or a feature?
[04:11] <Bashing-om> energizer: :)
[04:11] <Shmam> So I added /media/myUser/External Drive as an alias in my apache2.conf but when I try to visit the url, I get http 443 forbidden. /media/myUser/External Drive has permission 777 but /media/myUser has permissions 750. Is there any way that I can make this drive accessible from apache without changing the permissions for media/myUser?
[04:12] <eaglgenes101> ?
[04:13] <energizer> Bashing-om: if computer is off at the time, will it try again?
[04:19] <iopq> SlidingHorn, yes, I'm using an AMD gpu for my main monitor
[04:21] <gogeta> iopq: WONDERFULL!!!!!
[04:21] <Bashing-om> energizer: The cron job will run next boot , Note the advisory that apt files will run at random times so as not to saturate the mirrors .
[04:21] <iopq> Long $AMD
[04:22] <energizer> Bashing-om: i see
[04:25] <iopq> lshw -c has both monitors
[04:37] <eaglgenes101> soo... where in libinput should I look?
[04:55] <ram_> hello all. basically i'm unable to totally remove `emacs` on Ubuntu 18.04. the `emacsen-common` package is the problem. `apt install -f` doesn't work btw.
[04:55] <ram_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Lyh5RkZ5/
[04:55] <ram_> that's the error message
[04:57] <ram_> the emacs was there from a prior 16.04 installation. i removed `emacs` and then reinstalled it in an effort to get rid of `emacsen-common` once i realised it was still there
[04:59] <iopq> I'm back with my second monitor problem
[05:02] <physkets> Hi!
[05:03] <physkets> I recently installed 18.04 alongside Windows 10,
[05:03] <physkets> and now the Windows boot-up takes extremely long
[05:03] <physkets> I've tried turing Fast Startup off and on, but no dice... it is just slow.
[05:04] <physkets> Any ideas on what might be wrong, and what I can do to fix it?
[05:09] <spikebike> is gnome-tweak and gnome-tweak-tool the same thing?  I see a mention of opening the shell extensions tab, which I can't find
[05:12] <spikebike> under extensions there's no mentioned "shell" or "install extensions"
[05:21] <guiverc> ram_, my [unknowning] 2c : have you anything left over from emacs*  (maybe "dpkg -l emac*|grep ^i") - your link makes me wonder if a spelling-check addon is left but I don't know emacs..
[05:23] <ram_> guiverc: like i was saying i reinstalled `emacs` on 18.04 so everything's there
[05:23] <guiverc> sorry I missed that
[05:24] <ram_> guiverc: so now `sudo apt purge emacs*` fails because of the problem with `emacsen-common`. no prob that u didn't see that, i appreciate any help
[05:24] <guiverc> spikebike, looking at https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gnome-tweak  it looks like gnome-tweaks is a newer name (for bionic) to me, but I don't know
[05:30] <dyson> hi
[05:34] <guiverc> ram_, i don't see an issue with your paste (https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libenchant1c2ag looks okay for 18.04), but just noticed "may be caused by held packages"  - so i'd `sudo apt -f install`; & `sudo apt dist-upgrade` & look for other messages too.
[05:35] <iopq_> Ubuntu can't detect my second monitor, but when I reboot it clearly works on the load-out
[05:39] <ram_> guiverc: i ran both commands you suggested followed by `apt purge emacs*` and i get the same error message in my paste
[05:40] <guiverc> ram_, i was hoping they'd be other errors elsewhere in the output
[05:42] <iopq_> any ideas on how to mess around with integrated GPU to make Ubuntu see the monitor?
[05:48] <darme> hello. Where's xorg.conf file located in 18.04?
[05:50] <krytarik> !xorg.conf | darme
[05:55] <amis> Hello! Every time I start Ubuntu it shows me a battery critical notification. This is a desktop PC. I have two wireless Logitech devices plugged in but both work. The notification doesn't tell me which battery is at 0% (obviously none). How do I get rid of this?
[05:55] <amis> I'm on the latest LTS
[06:01] <pa> hi
[06:01] <pa> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pnh7JFVb6M/
[06:01] <pa> any idea?
[06:01] <pa> last update broke my 16.04
[06:02] <EriC^^> pa: try sudo apt-get -f install lib32gcc1
[06:02] <pa> i now have to boot the "upstart" kernel option, the default one gets stuck
[06:02] <pa> thanks i try
[06:02] <pa> EriC^^:  lib32gcc1 : Depends: gcc-6-base (= 6.0.1-0ubuntu1) but 6.3.0-18ubuntu2~14.04 is to be installed
[06:05] <EriC^^> pa: try apt-cache policy gcc-6-base
[06:05] <EriC^^> !paste | pa
[06:12] <pa> EriC^^: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DqPVpDQ5nx/
[06:23] <Goop> What's a good list of commands that would destroy a Linux system?
[06:23] <Goop> Example: "sudo apt-get purge sudo" and "sudo rm -rf /", but I feel like there's more that I'm missing.
[06:30] <Silmarilion> Hello, when I type do-release-upgrade I get after calculating the changes "No candidate ver" for few packages. For example: virtualbox-5.2, old linux kernel image, and some other packages. Most of them are removed via apt but still shown there. What does this mean?
[06:45] <red_lemon> hello
[06:46] <red_lemon> 有人吗
[06:53] <freechoice> ..
[07:04] <khalifa> hi how to solve this issue The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:04] <khalifa>  linux-image-extra-4.4.0-122-generic : Depends: linux-image-4.4.0-122-generic but it is not going to be installed
[07:05] <mnf> run sudo apt install -f
[07:06] <khalifa> Unpacking linux-image-4.4.0-122-generic (4.4.0-122.146) ...
[07:06] <khalifa> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-4.4.0-122-generic_4.4.0-122.146_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[07:06] <khalifa>  cannot copy extracted data for './boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-122-generic' to '/boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-122-generic.dpkg-new': failed to write (No space left on device)
[07:06] <khalifa> No apport report written because the error message indicates a disk full error
[07:06] <khalifa>                                                                               dpkg-deb: error: subprocess paste was killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[07:06] <khalifa> Examining /etc/kernel/postrm.d .
[07:06] <ducasse> !paste | khalifa
[07:09] <freechoice> your diskspace is full
[07:10] <freechoice> try to remove the very old kernel files
[07:11] <liveuser1> katy perry + juicy jake
[07:19] <EriC^^> pa: that gcc came from some ppa
[07:19] <EriC^^> !info gcc-6-base xenial
[07:20] <liveuser1> he wasn't sure if it was The Satan
[07:20] <liveuser1> but convinced a devil
[07:21] <liveuser1> he seems to have been murdered shortly thereafter
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> liveuser1: stop that please
[07:22] <liveuser1> that?
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> liveuser1: only ubuntu support questions here
[07:40] <anddam> hello, is the new 18.04 iso image bootable from EFI firmware?
[07:40] <anddam> I dumped it on a memory stick but the boot menu won't display it, while showing other usb devices
[07:41] <EriC^^> anddam: yes it should be
[07:42] <EriC^^> anddam: is the memory stick fat32?
[07:42] <anddam> what?
[07:42] <anddam> I dumped the ISO on the device
[07:43] <EriC^^> oh pardon! :P
[07:43] <EriC^^> you mean you used dd?
[07:43] <anddam> I guess the image is not fat32
[07:43] <anddam> yes
[07:43] <EriC^^> dd works, did you try a different usb port?
[07:44] <anddam> no I didn't , wasn't sure the ISO was both EFI and BIOS
[07:44] <EriC^^> what does the partition table look like on the usb currently? and did you run 'sync' after dd?
[07:44] <anddam> will swap port and retry, possibly change the memory stick
[07:44] <EriC^^> alright
[07:44] <anddam> EriC^^: I rebooted several times so I think buffers were flushed
[07:45] <EriC^^> oh ok
[07:45] <anddam> funny enough the second partition is actually vfat
[07:45] <anddam> sdc    iso9660 Ubuntu 18.04 LTS amd64
[07:46] <anddam> ├─sdc2 vfat    Ubuntu 18.04 LTS amd64
[07:46] <anddam> ok thanks for the info
[07:46] <EriC^^> looking good
[07:46] <anddam> I'm on elementaryOS atm but I cannot wait to see 18
[07:47] <anddam> so I'm wiping my secondary system and installing that
[07:47] <dhelfer> hallo
[07:47] <tlucks> huhu
[07:47] <EriC^^> anddam: you could always use a vm
[07:48] <Guest28573> hallo
[07:49] <ram_> still toiling away at trying to get rid of `emacs` completely...
[07:49] <adioe3> Howdy strangers. After upgrading to 18.04 I cannot login to my regularly used GNOME session anymore (it simply freezes). I've managed to log in into the Ubuntu Session. Anybody else experience this or has any idea how to find any relevant logs?
[07:49] <ram_> when i run `dpkg -r emacsen-common` it produces:
[07:49] <ram_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/nTS7Kbj4/
[07:49] <adioe3> Graphics are i915 (integrated intel), am using gdm3
[07:50] <ram_> then `dpkg -r dictionaries-common` produces:
[07:50] <ram_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/q3xPqun9/
[07:53] <Silmarilion> adioe3, not sure if it will help try to do apt-get upgrade and see if it completes. I had an issue with virtualbox guest utils extension so I had to remove it, after that I upgraded the packages and run autoremove.
[07:53] <Silmarilion> Rebooted the system and was able to login go gnome session
[07:54] <Silmarilion> upgraded from 17.10 btw
[07:54] <adioe3> Silmarilion, oh, done that already. update + upgrade. no new stuff.
[07:54] <Silmarilion> I see
[07:55] <adioe3> is 18.04 using lightdm or gdm3 by default? maybe I should try installing lightdm?
[07:57] <Silmarilion> gdm
[07:59] <adioe3> Silmarilion, does gdm log login attempts anywhere?
[08:00] <Silmarilion> while I was troubleshooting I checked with 'journalctl' command
[08:07] <brianario> any idea when 18.04LTS is going to be on AWS?
[08:08] <liveuser1> the oscar api is down
[08:10] <liveuser1> if the drones receive a signal is it obfuscated as meaningless chatter
[08:10] <liveuser1> Drone?
[08:15] <MrM1st> Hi all
[08:16] <EriC^^> hey
[08:18] <Sondre> Hi guys.. On Ubuntu 18.04 and can't boot anymore. This is the error that comes up when choosing shimx64.efi in grub. Se image: https://imgur.com/a/n7D7qED
[08:19] <Sondre> Anyone know how I can fix this?
[08:19] <adioe3> Silmarilion, so, wayland is broken in 18.04. I can login to GNOME session with Xorg
[08:19] <adioe3> Sondre, fix what?
[08:20] <MrM1st> adioe3: nVidia?
[08:20] <MrM1st> adioe3: I can't use wayland either :(
[08:20] <EriC^^> Sondre: looks like it's failing to mount the root fs
[08:20] <adioe3> MrM1st, nope, integrated intel (i915 module in use)
[08:21] <Silmarilion> I see, I used xorg by default even on 17.10
[08:21] <EriC^^> bad hd perhaps, wrong uuid, needs longer delay maybe
[08:21] <adioe3> I'm also using the latest mainstream kernel so doubtful that it's a driver issue
[08:21] <EriC^^> Sondre: ^
[08:21] <MrM1st> bbl... lunch
[08:23] <Sondre1> EriC^^: The problem I had before I ran into this issue was that I got error when I ran apt-get upgrade/install. The error then was: "dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of grub-efi-amd64-signed: grub-efi-amd64-signed depends on grub-efi-amd64 (= 2.02-2ubuntu8); however: package grub-efi-amd64 is not configured yet." So then I used boot-repair with the recommended repair.
[08:25] <Sondre1> Then the issues started occuring with booting with shimx64.efi, I get that error, so I can't boot to ubuntu.. Is there anything I should change in BIOS? I'm using dell precision 5510
[08:27] <sssstavr> hey
[08:27] <Sondre1> EriC^^: Here's another image of a similar error that was displayed: https://i.imgur.com/XCDxWjL.jpg
[08:28] <sssstavr> why do I get low res with my ATI on 18.04
[08:30] <Sondre1> adioe3: To fix so I can boot into ubuntu again.. Got this error -> https://i.imgur.com/XCDxWjL.jpg after using boot-repair to fix grub-efi-amd64-signed issues that occured earlier.
[08:32] <EriC^^> Sondre1: it has nothing to do with the efi, once you get grub, efi's job is over
[08:32] <EriC^^> Sondre1: the error has to do with it not finding any 'nvme' device that grub is pointing it to
[08:33] <EriC^^> so it kernel panics
[08:33] <EriC^^> Sondre1: if you're able to use the pc and talk here, i could help you manually boot it, and then you can fix the grub config from the install
[08:34] <cram> hello, I want to be sure, is it ok to do upgrade to 18.04 with nvidia ?
[08:34] <Sondre> I'm in now.. I choosed advanced in grub and then an older kernal. Currently typing from my phone, just a sec I'll connect with a desktop
[08:35] <EriC^^> Sondre: oki doki
[08:36] <cram> because when I tried before I had black screen
[08:36] <sondre_> EriC^^: Back now! So, what should I do next?
[08:41] <ducasse> cram: try booting with nomodeset if you get a black screen
[08:49] <adioe3> Sondre, to me this looks like bad grub config. I used to get these on Slackware when I'd have the wrong disk detected as boot disk
[08:49] <couven92> Have just installed an Ubuntu Server 18.04 LTS, how do I enable Numpad by default? (googling only gives me how to do it in the Ubuntu Desktop UI)
[08:54] <ducasse> couven92: there's often a bios option to do that
[08:54] <couven92> VM
[08:57] <aLeSD_> hi all
[08:57] <ducasse> couven92: no idea, then - only know how to do it in x11
[08:57] <aLeSD_> how can I active the user themes ?
[08:58] <sondre_> adioe3: I'm currently on kernal 4.4.0-116-generic, which works.. How can I fix the grub config so I can boot normally?
[09:00] <adioe3> sondre_, what do you have in /etc/default/grub ?
[09:02] <sondre_> adioe3: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xVzdVQQzxt/
[09:06] <schueler> hi
[09:07] <aLeSD_> why I can't see gnome-shell-extensions in the tweak tool ?
[09:07] <aLeSD_> I mean I installed them .. but nothing
[09:21] <MrM1st> Anyone gotten wayland to work in 18.04 yet?
[09:24] <adioe3> sondre_, you can try uncommenting this line
[09:24] <adioe3> #GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true
[09:24] <adioe3> although it should work with UUIDs
[09:29] <brainwash> MrM1st: have you filed a bug report yet?
[09:29] <MrM1st> brainwash: Nope. about what? The nvidia/wayland problem?
[09:29] <brainwash> MrM1st: right. you've said that it worked before in 17.10, but not anymore in 18.04
[09:30] <MrM1st> brainwash: Mm. It did, straight out of the box
[09:30] <brainwash> so, that's something that should be reported
[09:30] <sondre> adioe3: Also works with 4.13.0-37-generic kernal, but not with the latest.. Should I just use this kernal or is there any way to make the latest work again?
[09:30] <MrM1st> brainwash: But it was a older kernel. the -37 kernel
[09:31] <MrM1st> brainwash: ehm, actually iy worked with later ones as well
[09:54] <sondre> adioe3 EriC^^ In GNU GRUB this is the boot parameters for the newest kernal: https://i.imgur.com/FnHzvq0.jpg and this is for an older kernal (which I'm currently on now): https://i.imgur.com/DHNqGqY.jpg
[09:55] <sondre> It looks like the new is missing UUID and some other parameters that makes it not boot correctly.. Any tips on how I can fix this?
[10:00] <sondre> adioe3 EriC^^ Should I fix the newest kernel by doing "sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-generic linux-image" in terminal?
[10:02] <MrM1st> Anyone have any experience installing Ubuntu 18.04 with /boot on a USB?
[10:04] <l0llip0p> MrM1st: what do you mean? Has someone made bootalbe usb?
[10:04] <MrM1st> l0llip0p: No. Booting the OS from a USB
[10:04] <l0llip0p> MrM1st: Can't you just do it from bios?
[10:05] <Younder> Some older computers can't boot from a stick. You need a DVD
[10:06] <Younder> The BIOS will tell you
[10:06] <l0llip0p> Younder: dependes on computer and bios. The most of computers support usb
[10:06] <MrM1st> You don't understand. Booting is fine into the installer. I need the installed OS to be booted with /boot on a separate USB
[10:07] <Gargravarr> MrM1st: is this so that you have no unencrypted data on the internal disk?
[10:07] <tomreyn> no first hand experience, but it's not unheard of. does something not work?
[10:07] <l0llip0p> MrM1st: oh! we have a hacker among us
[10:07] <Gargravarr> finally, someone noticed me :D
[10:08] <plasmoduck> hi
[10:09] <MrM1st> tomreyn: I have problems with EFI and such. Seems the boot process continues on and on
[10:09] <Younder> MrM1st, Never head of this config, so I never tried it. Instinct sais you can boot from a USB. OR boot from disk. You can boot from USM and the manually mount the drive with something like knopix
[10:10] <l0llip0p> plasmoduck: hi!
[10:10] <tomreyn> MrM1st: maybe try it in a VM first before you do it on bare metal, less complexity, more convenience. kvm (and thus virtulbox) supports uefi booting
[10:11] <MrM1st> tomreyn: yeah, maybe I'll do that. Good tip
[10:11] <Gargravarr> tomreyn: KVM is a little tricky to set up UEFI
[10:12] <Younder> tomreyn, That's the way I went. First a beta for 18.04, then setup SALT for setting up preinstall system, etckeeper etc. then install.
[10:12] <l0llip0p> MrM1st: I think you cant relay on automatic installer since it does boot partion under the // filesystem.
[10:13] <l0llip0p> atleast I think so
[10:13] <l0llip0p> MrM1st: Good luck! I'll wish succes for you
[10:14] <tomreyn> Gargravarr: i don't think i ever did it manually, worked fine using virtualbox for th euse cases i had.
[10:14] <MrM1st> OK... I'm trying virtualbox
[10:15] <Younder> 18.04 seems stable. For the first time NVIDIA drivers don't pose a problem.
[10:15] <MrM1st> I stumbled on another bug today though... the sha256 signature for the virtualbox-extensions is faulty
[10:15] <Younder> MrM1st, I thought I reported that one to ubuntu
[10:16] <Younder> MrM1st, It works on my machine now
[10:16] <MrM1st> What? the nvidia-driver?
[10:16] <Younder> 390 driver
[10:16] <tomreyn> MrM1st: are you referring to the proprietary extensions for usb2+? or to the guest additions?
[10:17] <MrM1st> tomreyn: extensions
[10:17] <tomreyn> and supposedly you're referring to the virtualbox packages in ubuntu, not those in the upstream repo?
[10:17] <Younder> You always have to manually install the guest addinition in virtualbox or all bets are off
[10:19] <MrM1st> tomreyn: Yep. But it's a filed bug already though
[10:19] <tomreyn> very well. :)
[10:20] <MrM1st> tomreyn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox-ext-pack/+bug/1767402
[10:20] <Pitel> W: initramfs-tools configuration sets RESUME=UUID=41d8482a-0649-4b3d-b4ab-2144b735e0b3 but no matching swap device is available. //this started to happen after upgrade to 18.04 from 17.10. I'm running swapless, so I'd like to know where is this configuration coming from so I can remove it
[10:20] <MrM1st> tomreyn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/+bug/1767533
[10:22] <Pitel> ha! /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume :)
[10:23] <Younder> Pitel, I generally recommend a full backup and then a full install on LTS versions. My experience is incremental installs accumulate errors.
[10:24] <Younder> It just gets worse as you go along.
[10:24] <tomreyn> MrM1st: the http vs https download should be a bug in itself, i guess. after all it's "just" a checksum, no cryptographically secure attestation which is made there.
[10:25] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[10:26] <tomreyn> MrM1st: on a side note, if you'll want to use vbox with a 3d accelerated (or the subset of that that is implemented) ubuntu 18.04 guest, you'll need to use the latest vbox test builds.
[10:27] <tomreyn> (>= Version 5.2.11 r122401)
[10:28] <Younder> tomreyn, As a sidenote NVIDIA as a docker-nvidia addition that lets you run DNN as a docker process.
[10:29] <Younder> NVIDIA now has Ubuntu on it's major server computers
[10:29] <Younder> ^installed
[10:29] <MrM1st> tomreyn: To test the nvidia-drivers?
[10:30] <tomreyn> MrM1st: i did not mention that company
[10:30] <Younder> MrM1st, The newer drivers should just work
[10:30] <MrM1st> Younder: It doesn't. It makes wayland unusable :(
[10:31] <Younder> MrM1st, That is not standard in 18.05 anyhow
[10:31] <Younder> 18.04
[10:31] <MrM1st> Younder: It should've been
[10:31] <Younder> If you stick with the gnome standard ten
[10:31] <Younder> then
[10:32] <KeithWeisshar> can i share the ubuntu live usb with friends after using to install ubuntu
[10:33] <Younder> Or sorry X-windows
[10:33] <Younder> KeithWeisshar, yes
[10:33] <tomreyn> KeithWeisshar: sure, why not.
[10:33] <Younder> Ubuntu is open
[10:34] <KeithWeisshar> what if people have fear that usb might be infected
[10:34] <tomreyn> then they're wise :)
[10:35] <Younder> tomreyn, rotfl
[10:35] <amis> The latest Ubuntu (18.04 LTS) keeps saying that my (probably mouse) battery is dead. How do I make it go away? It keeps showing popups about critical battery status even thou the mouse is perfectly fine. It just can't properly determine the correct battery level.
[10:35] <KeithWeisshar> is it safe to do so
[10:35] <tomreyn> KeithWeisshar: it's a matter of trust. if they know you, they'll supposedly trust you.
[10:36] <Younder> amis, The sensor is F--ed get a new mouse
[10:36] <tomreyn> KeithWeisshar: there is no easy way to verify that one usb stick installer is the same as another, so if they wanted to be sure they'd better create their own.
[10:37] <EriC^^> Sondre: sorry i was away, use 'sudo update-grub' and check the new /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[10:37] <amis> Younder, for something so tiny I'm not replaing a mouse. I just want to mute the indicator.
[10:38] <EriC^^> Sondre: upload /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[10:38] <fxn> in a fresh 18.04 I generated en_US.UTF-8 and ran `update-locale LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8 LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8`, the file /etc/default/locale shows the expected content, but the `locale` command keeps showing the original distro values (some empty, others "POSIX"), if I set env vars in ~/.bashrc everything is fine, but IIRC I didn't need to set them explicitly before
[10:38] <Younder> https://askubuntu.com/questions/985963/disable-mouse-battery-low-spam-notification?utm_medium=organic&utm_source=google_rich_qa&utm_campaign=google_rich_qa
[10:38] <amis> Also Ubuntu could never properly determine the battery status on this mouse. I have two identical mouse with the same issue.
[10:39] <Sondre> EriC^^ no problems! Thank you for your time. I'm currently on mobile, but will paste it asap.
[10:39] <KeithWeisshar> why is there no easy way to verify the usb stick installer
[10:40] <KeithWeisshar> is there a checksum feature
[10:40] <EriC^^> KeithWeisshar: if you boot it in legacy mode there is a disk integrity checker
[10:40] <KeithWeisshar> is it possible to run a media check on usb
[10:40] <KeithWeisshar> will disk integrity checker with with usb or only dvd
[10:41] <Younder> KeithWeisshar, There is. Download the image. verify. the install on stick. It's the same with DVD. the code is just to verify that the  transfer over the net wen't OK
[10:42] <KeithWeisshar> is the disk integrity checker in legacy boot only compatible with dvd media or both usb and dvd
[10:43] <Younder> lookup pgp --verify
[10:43] <tomreyn> KeithWeisshar: both. but it's not cryptographically secure, if that's what you're seeking.
[10:45] <tomreyn> KeithWeisshar: maybe try this another way: explain what you are trying to achieve, and why, and maybe we can provide better suggestions hten
[10:45] <Younder> A hash just verifies that you don't have a man in the middle attack. That noone has tampered with the file during transfer
[10:50] <JimBuntu> hashes don't even do that, very well, unless they are a pretty good hash... since there can be collisions and good MITM attackers can utilize that
[10:52] <Younder> JimBuntu, a sha256 should be good enough
[10:53] <tasslehoff> Can the super+number to open applications in the dock be disabled?
[10:53] <JimBuntu> Younder, I agree, it should be. An attacker would probably have to make some radical changes to be able to get the same hash, and as far as I remember no one has publicly released a tool for SHA256/etc yet.
[10:54] <zzarr> Hello!
[10:54] <Younder> JimBuntu, Well that is the standard now in Ubuntu
[10:56] <zzarr> This is an insane question, but a friend of mine have a computer with 8.04 (yes 8, not 18), is there a way to preserve users and data and install 18.04 on it?
[10:56] <JimBuntu> Younder, I mean a tool to modify the file contents in order to get a specific hash result. Like was done for MD5 and basically all CRCs before it.
[10:58] <JimBuntu> zzarr, 8->9->10->11->and so forth. seems like a lot of work compared to backing up users and /home, and restoring, then re-installing applications
[10:59] <hateball> JimBuntu, zzarr actually it'd be 8.04 -> 12.04 -> 16.04 -> 18.04 as you can upgrade from LTS to LTS. Still a lot of work tho
[10:59] <Younder> Windows is the same way. After a couple of years a complete reinstall will greatly increase reliabillity and performance.
[10:59] <zzarr> yea, the applications are not important
[10:59] <hateball> zzarr: if you have /home on its own partition you can simply reinstall and choose to not format the partition containing /home
[11:00] <zzarr> well the repos for 10.04, 12.04 and so forth have not existed for a while
[11:00] <hateball> !eolupgrade | zzarr
[11:00] <zzarr> thanks hateball
[11:00] <JimBuntu> derp on my part hateball , thanks
[11:00] <hateball> zzarr: with the reinstall option, you'd need to recreate the users and assign to their corresponding home folders tho
[11:00] <Younder> I use a /, /home, /usr/local, /temp and most importantly /var portion
[11:02] <Younder> hello
[11:02] <luser23> Appears that 18.04 does not install libreoffice-gtk3 by default to use GTK widgets in Libreoffice? Without it, LO looks rather strange (ugly?) and has a tiny UI font...
[11:04] <zzarr> just a small question then, 18.04 (server) does exist for 32bit machines?
[11:07] <tomreyn> zzarr: i don't think so. there's a mini.iso, though, but that's still beta and not official generally. http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[11:08] <tomreyn> (but it should work for installing and then you can update)
[11:08] <zzarr> so as the machine is a 32bit, it's basically obsolete?
[11:08] <tomreyn> that is for you to decide.
[11:09] <zzarr> well it is an very old machine, but there is not a replacement
[11:09] <tomreyn> how come?
[11:10] <Younder> Laterubuntu's require 4 Gb of RAM to run which is more than most 32 bit machines have
[11:10] <Younder> Server versions should work
[11:10] <BluesKaj> well there's always PAE
[11:11] <zzarr> you can address up to 64GB with a 32bit server kernel
[11:11] <zzarr> the normal one can handle 4GB
[11:12] <tomreyn> 3.5
[11:12] <zzarr> no, actually 4GB at least on a server
[11:13] <zzarr> the 3.5 comes from having a graphics card using some of the RAM
[11:13] <longword> Without PAE (and often with) a large fraction of a gigabyte out of your first 4 will quietly disappear to I/O space and such
[11:14] <zzarr> I meant how much the kernel could address
[11:14] <zzarr> not how much that's available
[11:16] <Younder> Well just just getting a cheap graphics card should free the RAM to be used by the machine.
[11:18] <longword> Doesn't usually work that way, particularly on servers. BIOSes are lazy as sin.
[11:18] <zzarr> the machine have some simple graphics card, it's a blade server, so the hardware is more or less set in stone
[11:19] <zzarr> I don't know how much RAM the machine have, but more then 4GB I think (I think like 20GB or so)
[11:20] <plasmoduck> wtf
[11:20] <longword> _20_GB in a machine without x86_64 support?
[11:20] <zzarr> the current version (8.04) can handle that much
[11:20] <longword> That seem unwise in the extreme
[11:21] <zzarr> I know, but it's an very old machine
[11:21] <Peanut> Hi - while booting, my machine hangs for 5 minutes on 'Raise network interfaces', even though my network config is completely static, and after these 5 minutes everything seems to work. How can I interrupt this 5 minute wait, and debug what the system is unhappy about? This is a result of just upgrading my box to Bionic.
[11:24] <gratz> How might I force Wayland to be used for an automatic login? I see there is an option to choose Wayland on the login menu (if I log out and log back in again) but I'd like to set a config option somewhere to always/only use Wayland (this is because of the bugs with the screen keyboard in gnome-shell 18.04 at the moment)
[11:25] <tomreyn> Peanut: can you post: sudo systemd-analyze blame
[11:26] <tomreyn> Peanut: also: sudo systemd-analyze critical-chain
[11:27] <tomreyn> actually no need for sudo there
[11:27] <Peanut> tomreyn: Thanks. So far it says: "Bootup is not yet finished. Please try again later."
[11:29] <Peanut> tomreyn: Systemd thinks the system is in 'State: starting', even though I have a full DE running.
[11:30] <tomreyn> Peanut: hmm, i've seen this issue (not finishing the boot) on a couple 18.04 systems so far, making me wonder whether it can be a generic issue on 18.04.0. and it's probably not related to the network issue, but that'S the one you should tackle primarily.
[11:30] <Peanut> Is it possible to completely remove or disable network-manager? I only have wired network ports with static configs on this box.
[11:31] <tomreyn> Peanut: unfortunately since the boot doesn't finish these commands can't be used for analyzing the boot, and i don't know better ones. you can, however, inspect syslog and dmesg.
[11:32] <tomreyn> Peanut: you can use systemd-networkd instead of NM, but i could not guide you.
[11:32] <Diagon> Any way to use the DVD to upgrade 17.10 to 18.04 without downloading everything again?
[11:33] <Peanut> tomreyn: No support for simple static network config anymore?
[11:34] <Diagon> I've got 17.10 in a couple of VM's and don't want to have to DL a GB repeatedly.
[11:34] <tomreyn> Peanut: i *think* that's what systemd-networkd is for
[11:36] <hateball> Diagon: well you could setup a local apt repo
[11:37] <tomreyn> Diagon: https://askubuntu.com/questions/440423/how-can-i-upgrade-ubuntu-lts-to-the-next-one-offline
[11:37] <sondre> Hi! I can't boot from kernel 4.15 or 4.16, they have these parameters in boot menu when editing them -> https://imgur.com/a/2dt0sBA. Kernel 4.13 works fine and I can boot from there, this is how boot parameters on kernel 4.13 looks like -> https://imgur.com/a/Z6GTaLX. Looks like the newest kernel (on my computer) is missing UUID etc.. How can I troubleshoot this issue and make ubuntu boot the newest kernel?
[11:38] <longword> A caching web proxy on your local network might also work, so long as it's not using https repos
[11:40] <Younder> On my local cluster I use apt-cacher-ng to cache request from the inet ad the the nodes.
[11:40] <Younder> On my local cluster I use apt-cacher-ng to cache request from the inet and hide the nodes.
[11:40] <HankMoody> I've encountered one problem in my 18.04 upgrade - my media server doesn't work. Small in the scale of the machine running, but BIG as this is this machine's primary duty. UMS (Universal Media Server) seems to run on Java 7 - which doesn't seem to be in the repos anymore - and the ppa everyone has used in the past isn't supported as of 16.04. Is there a way to either: A. install java7 or B. create symlinks (or something else of that ilk) to
[11:40] <HankMoody> get java 8 or 11 to work with UMS? Or is there some fundamental difference in 7 and 8/9/11, etc.?
[11:41] <HankMoody> Also, thank you in advance for all help.
[11:42] <Younder> I install Oracle Java as that will work, but the FOSS gurus will protest
[11:43] <Diagon> tomreyn: I see.  Thanks.  longword/Younder - appreciate the input.  I see it'll take a little work.
[11:43] <tomreyn> sondre: did you please the "root=/dev/nvme0n1p5" there? usually, ubuntu would use uuids nowadays.
[11:43] <Diagon> Ok, night all ...
[11:44] <HankMoody> @Younder: I'll give that a shot, thanks. Is the package oracle-java?
[11:44] <sondre> tomreyn: No, I haven't done anything manual (not on purpose if that's the case). This is my grub file -> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mmdYnjZGTc/
[11:45] <sondre> tomreyn: UUID is not disabled, so I dunno why it choose not to use it on the newest kernal
[11:45] <Younder> HankMoody, I install from oracle, the repositories tend to lag behind
[11:46] <tomreyn> HankMoody: i don't know "UMS (Universal Media Server)" and it doesn't appear to be in ubuntu, but its website says the latest release is v7.0.1 from april 15 2018. i doubt this still dpeends on java 7.
[11:47] <HankMoody> Thanks @Younder.
[11:47] <HankMoody> @tomreyn: Yeah, it's not in the repos. It's a branch of PS3 media server. it does indeed depend on 7. I went to download the newest version to see if this was indeed the case
[11:47] <tomreyn> Younder: i think java 7 is eol, it should not be used nowadays (unless security patches are provided by someone else, like ubuntu for older rleeases).
[11:48] <HankMoody> Yeah @tomreyn I believe it is. Hence why it's moved on out of the repos is my guess. I can't remember if I had to add the ppa to my prior install or if it was still in the repos.
[11:49] <tomreyn> sondre: can you run (install pastebinit if it asks for it, then run again): sudo grub-mkconfig | pastebinit
[11:50] <tomreyn> HankMoody: first of all, find out whether the software oyu intend to use really depends on an EOL java release. if so, reconsider using that software.
[11:51] <HankMoody> that's what I'm trying to figure out - if there's a way to make it work with 8/11/etc. I've poked around and tried some different media servers and this one truly suits my needs the best
[11:54] <sondre> tomreyn: This is the output -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/F5QDmbTBt7/
[11:54] <tomreyn> HankMoody: so these remaining questions should be discussed with the developers of this software (or their support community). good luck.
[11:55]  * Peanut does a facedesk. Netplan. Yet another network configuration.
[11:55] <tomreyn> sondre: pastebin /etc/fstab
[11:55] <HankMoody> Thanks @tomreyn
[11:56] <ioria> sondre, i think you miss the initrd for 4.15  (and -16);  ls /boot | grep initrd
[11:57] <sondre> tomreyn: Here you go -> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2rq4Wt9BZy/
[11:57] <tomreyn> HankMoody: on a side note, ubuntu 14.04 still supports openjdk-7-jre, and there'll be ESM for it, but i would not recommend going this route.
[11:57] <sondre> ioria: Yes, I saw that too, will "ls /boot | grep initrd" fix this?
[11:57] <ioria> nope :þ
[11:58] <ioria> sondre, i think it's installed correctly
[11:58] <EriC^^> sondre: hey howd it go
[11:58] <HankMoody> @tomreyn: Gotcha. I'll see if I can't find a way to fake the funk or point UMS to java 8
[11:58] <ioria> *not
[11:58] <brainwash> HankMoody: https://github.com/UniversalMediaServer/UniversalMediaServer/pull/1433
[11:58] <ioria> sondre, i think it's  - not - installed correctly
[11:58] <Norux> hi EriC^^ :) hope you're having an awesome day!
[11:58] <sondre> What can I do to install initrd on the newest kernels?
[11:58] <brainwash> HankMoody: have you actually tested ums 7.0?
[11:58] <EriC^^> Norux: hey :) you too!
[11:59] <DeathBadger> test
[11:59] <sondre> EriC^^: Hi Eric! Just got back to work, so still trying to figure out how I can boot from the newest kernels
[11:59] <tomreyn> sondre: hmm i'm still puzzled as to where grub-mkconfig gets the "/dev/nvme0n1p5" from (and doesn't refer to its uuid instead, like your linux 4.13 grub configuration does).
[11:59] <HankMoody> @brain Yep, just tried to run it again (to make sure I wasn't having a stroke or something) and it's giving me the same error as 6.x.x
[11:59] <ioria> sondre, dpkg -l|grep linux-image-[0-9]    paste this please
[11:59] <HankMoody> @brainwash:  Yep, just tried to run it again (to make sure I wasn't having a stroke or something) and it's giving me the same error as 6.x.x
[11:59] <EriC^^> sondre: did you pastebin /boot/grub/grub.cfg after running sudo update-grub ?
[12:00] <sondre> ioria: Here you go -> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jKyTsdSRJz/
[12:00] <levelz> Привет
[12:00] <brainwash> HankMoody: maybe related https://github.com/UniversalMediaServer/UniversalMediaServer/issues/1467
[12:00] <sondre> EriC^^: Yes, this was the output -> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mmdYnjZGTc/
[12:01] <levelz> ЗЗдарова, мужики. Нужна ваша помощь. Есть кто в чате?
[12:01] <tomreyn> !ru | levelz
[12:02] <compdoc> ubottu speaks more languages than anyone I know, lol
[12:02] <tomreyn> EriC^^: here's sondre's current grub-mkconfig output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/F5QDmbTBt7/
[12:02] <ioria> sondre, are you on bionic 18.04 ?
[12:03] <HankMoody> @brainwash: Thanks, I'll give it a look and see if I can't find an answer.
[12:04] <sondre> ioria: Yes, upgraded from 16.04 and realized afterwards that it was not recommended to upgrade until 18.04.1 version or something.. So yeah
[12:04] <ioria> sondre,  sudo apt install --reinstall linux-generic
[12:05] <EriC^^> sondre: do you need the 4.16 kernel?
[12:05] <EriC^^> !info linux-image
[12:05] <EriC^^> !info linux-image-generic
[12:05] <EriC^^> what's the current 18.04 kernel?
[12:05] <EriC^^> !info linux-image-generic bionic
[12:05] <tomreyn> !info linux-image-generic bionic
[12:05] <hateball> EriC^^: 4.15
[12:05] <hateball> oh
[12:06] <EriC^^> aha
[12:06] <sondre> EriC^^: I dunno, what is the recommended kernel? I got an error ioria, this is the output -> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GMzXSy29m6/
[12:06] <EriC^^> sondre: the kernel for 18.04 is 4.15 , you also have 4.16 there which has been installed from a ppa or somethinh
[12:07] <sondre> EriC^^: I've installed ukuu, from there I installed the 4.16 kernel
[12:07] <ioria> sondre,  why do you have a 4.16 kernel ?
[12:07] <sondre> EriC^^: Just trying you know.. :p
[12:07] <EriC^^> sondre: yeah :D
[12:07] <EriC^^> do you need the 4.16 one?
[12:07] <sondre> Not really, didn't work that one either
[12:08] <ioria> sondre,  try to purge it
[12:08] <sondre> ioria: What kernel? The 4.16?
[12:08] <ioria> sondre,  yes
[12:09] <EriC^^> sondre: ok, run sudo apt-get purge linux-image-unsigned-4.16.6-041606-generic
[12:09] <EriC^^> for some reason, the initrd seems missing for the linux 4.15 kernel (as well as using /dev/ instead of uuid) *shrug*
[12:11] <sondre> EriC^^ ioria Ok, done the purge now
[12:11] <ioria> sondre,    linux-image-4.16.6-041606-generic   is gone now
[12:11] <ioria> ?
[12:12] <sondre> ioria: Yes -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5NVtDR6JPW/
[12:12] <ioria> sondre,  sudo apt install --reinstall linux-generic
[12:13] <sondre> ioria: I did sudo update-grub after reinstalling linux-generic, then this is the output of grub-mkconfig -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BdpMzTYTgc/
[12:13] <sondre> Still no uuid..
[12:15] <ioria> sondre,  ls /var/lib/initramfs-tools/
[12:15] <sondre> ioria: 4.13.0-36-generic  4.13.0-37-generic  4.4.0-116-generic  version
[12:16] <ioria> sondre,  update-initramfs -u -k all
[12:17] <EriC^> sondre: is the initrd 4.15 in /boot?
[12:17] <ioria> guess not
[12:18] <sondre> EriC^: Nop, nothing from 4.15 there
[12:18] <sondre> ioria: Ok, just a sec
[12:18] <EriC^> sondre: ok try sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-4.15.0-20-generic
[12:19] <ioria> sondre,  and maye paste us the output
[12:19] <sondre> ioria: Here is the output of the update-initramfs -> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vWCN3JKCGp/
[12:19] <tomreyn> also: pastebinit /etc/kernel-img.conf
[12:20] <sondre> EriC^: Output here -> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zDDgj3Fh3m/
[12:21] <sondre> tomreyn: Output here -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/X6565yPpkh/
[12:21] <ioria> ah, here we are
[12:22] <EriC^> sondre: can you pastebin /boot/grub/grub.cfg and "dpkg -l | grep linux" ?
[12:22] <tomreyn> sondre: do you have similarily named files therE? ls -l /etc/kernel-img*
[12:24] <couven92> When I run `systemctl --user enable myservice`, I see that systemd creates a symlink to the origin myservice.service file (from /usr/lib/systemd/...), does that mean that I can copy the file instead of symlinking and then change it to provide custom arguments to the service?
[12:25] <sondre> EriC^: grub.cfg -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FTjJP8Znws/ and dpkg -l | grep linux output here -> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/53XDkGCvbc/
[12:26] <sondre> tomreyn: Doesn't look like it, this is the output -> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NtKf8Rynfq/
[12:28] <HankMoody> FYI @brainwash I'm a retard, didn't have java8 set as the default - 11 was. Got it working w/ java 8 now.
[12:28] <sondre> Is this something I can try? mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-4.15.0-20-generic 4.15.0-20-generic
[12:29] <EriC^> sondre: it should create stuff itself, maybe the errors from update-initramfs have some clues, how about removing the old kernels and stuff first to clean up the situation and focus only on 4.15
[12:29] <spexi> Hi! I have a laptop with Ubuntu 18.04 and a second display attached via displayport. When I'm using alt+tab task switcher, it always comes up on the laptop screen, although the other monitor is active. How to show that on the active screen?
[12:31] <tomreyn> EriC^: add this line to /etc/kernel-img.conf: do_initrd=yes
[12:31] <tomreyn> sondre: ^
[12:31] <tomreyn> it's entirely unclear why this linoe is not already there, though
[12:32] <sondre> EriC^: Yes, so I should purge the other kernels?
[12:33] <sondre> tomreyn: Ok, just added it. Then what?
[12:34] <EriC^> sondre: yes, first let's clear the old configs, dpkg -l | awk '$1 == "rc" && /linux/ { print $2}' | xargs sudo apt-get -y purge
[12:35] <sondre> EriC^: Ok, did that now
[12:35] <EriC^> sondre: ok, what's the list look like now? dpkg -l | grep linux | pastebinit
[12:36] <EriC^> which kernel are you running right now btw? try "uname -r"
[12:36] <sondre> EriC^: Here yaah go -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jdrMMSDQ7d/
[12:36] <sondre> EriC^: Currently on "4.13.0-37-generic"
[12:36] <tomreyn> sondre: actually, please undo the change to /etc/kernel-img.conf, it doesn't seem to be correct / default in 18.04 to have an initrd if you don't have a seperate /boot
[12:37] <Aherys> Hello, just install ubuntu 16.04 LTS on my server, by default, python 3.6 is installed but i need to have python 3.5 to making an application run. I try udapte alternative, or some apt-get command to "downgrate" to python 3.5 but nothing effective, any idea ? Thanks !
[12:37] <tomreyn> although you might need one for nvme booting, not sure
[12:37] <dbugger> Question: I just updated Ubuntu and somehow connection to SSH servers dont work anymore, because of SSH keys... What could have happened? It is the same
[12:37] <sondre> tomreyn: Ok, removed it now :-D
[12:37] <tomreyn> sondre: ok, sorry about my confision
[12:38] <tomreyn> *confusion ;)
[12:38] <sondre> no no, really appreciate all your help!
[12:39] <EriC^> sondre: sudo apt-get purge linux-signed-generic-lts-utopic linux-headers-4.13.0-39-generic linux-headers-4.16.6-041606-generic
[12:39] <sondre> EriC^: Did that now, looks like it removed them with no errors
[12:39] <EriC^> sondre: sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-extra-4.15.0-20-generic
[12:41] <sondre> EriC^: Here is the output -> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mGdF7ZtFFw/
[12:41] <sondre> :(
[12:41] <OnceMe> I have ati amd radeon r5 m255 and I bought new ssd, so I want to install ubuntu as os, should I go with 16.04 or 18.04 ? I want driver support for my gpu
[12:41] <OnceMe> its a laptop
[12:41] <Andrey2> Hello, ubuntu users!
[12:42] <EriC^> hmm why is there no more linux-image-extra for 4.15?
[12:42] <EriC^> !info linux-image-extra-4.15.0-20-generic bionic
[12:42] <tomreyn> i guess they must have been moved into the standard image
[12:42] <EriC^> that's odd
[12:43] <tomreyn> maybe default /boot is large enough by now? ;)
[12:43] <Gargravarr> what was the -extra image for, anyway?
[12:43] <EriC^> sondre: what does 'sudo update-initramfs -c -k all' give now?
[12:45] <ioria> sondre, also  sudo update-grub  output might be useful
[12:45] <tomreyn> EriC^: linux-modules-extra-4.15.0-20-generic
[12:45] <tomreyn> modules, not extra - renamed i guess
[12:46] <tomreyn> 'modules', not 'image' - renamed i guess
[12:46] <EriC^> ah
[12:46] <sondre> EriC^: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/42qPKqT7kb/
[12:46] <sondre> EriC^: So should I run this command? sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-modules-extra-4.15.0-20-generic
[12:47] <ioria> sondre, did you try to compile 415 from source ?
[12:49] <EriC^> sondre: let's try removing the hwe of 16.04 maybe that's causing some version issue or something
[12:49] <tomreyn> Aherys: actually xenial (16.04) comes with python 3.5 via the "python3" package by default:
[12:49] <sondre> ioria: I don't know, it was installed automaticly when I installed 18.04 I think..
[12:49] <tomreyn> !info python3 xenial
[12:49] <EriC^> sondre: sudo apt-get purge linux-signed-image-generic-hwe-16.04 linux-generic-hwe-16.04 linux-image-generic linux-headers-generic
[12:50] <sondre> EriC^: Thanks, did that now
[12:50] <EriC^> sondre: after it's done, run dpkg -l | grep linux | pastebinit again to see if there's still any hwe stuff anywhere
[12:50] <sondre> EriC^: Here you go -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KMZpbFfb9D/
[12:51] <EriC^> ioria: do you think they should remove the linux-source and linux-source-4.15.0 ?
[12:52] <EriC^> sondre: cant harm right? try sudo apt-get purge linux-source linux-source-4.15.0
[12:53] <isene> Upgrading from 17.10 to 18.04 (Dell XPS15), got two packages that will not install: shim-signed and grub-efi-amd64-signed (installed grub-efi-amd64-signed package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1) Since I am unsure if I can even reboot my system safely now, I could need a hand debugging this...
[12:53] <sondre> EriC^: We try :-D
[12:53] <Silmarilion> Anyone using Ark menu with 18.04 gnome? After the upgrade icons for `Software` and `Tweaks` items are missing
[12:53] <EriC^> isene: can you give more detail on the errors?
[12:53] <EriC^> sondre: :D
[12:54] <isene> I'll paste it (link coming)
[12:54] <dbugger> Could someone please take a look at this issue: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1031075/after-upgrading-to-18-04-ssh-keys-are-invalid
[12:54] <sondre> EriC^: Did the command now
[12:55] <Aherys> tomreyn, yes making an error, i'm on 18.04 =/ I add some ppa with python3.5 should be fine now.
[12:55] <EriC^> sondre: cool, is there an initrd file for 4.15 in /boot?
[12:55] <isene> EriC^: This is all: http://dpaste.com/219PR64
[12:55] <TabMasher> ??aizul
[12:57] <tomreyn> Aherys: hopefully "some ppa" will provide you with security patches. ;-)
[12:57] <sondre> EriC^: Output for initrd in boot folder and update-grub -> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NPfC3XQfKF/
[12:57] <EriC^> isene: hmm i wonder why it wont work, does sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-efi-amd64-signed give more info?
[12:58] <sondre> isene: !!! This was exactly my issues too
[12:58] <e729> haha
[12:58] <e729> hehe
[12:58] <isene> EriC^: Only this: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: grub-efi-amd64-signed is broken or not fully installed
[12:58] <sondre> isene: Seriously the exact same issue when running update or upgrade, using dell precision, so maybe there is something to it
[12:58] <isene> sondre: How did you solve it?
[12:59] <sondre> isene: Not solved... But it doesn't show on kernel 4.13.0-37-generic, and now I can't boot in 4.15 kernel
[12:59] <Aherys> tomreyn, yes, it will !
[12:59] <e729> pwd
[12:59] <isene> sondre: So you can boot 4.13.0-37-generic?
[13:01] <sondre> isene: Yes, that works just fine. I did the boot-repair, and after that I can't boot into kernel 4.15, but errors are gone for that
[13:01] <EriC^> sondre: 4.15 used to boot before boot-repair?
[13:02] <sondre> EriC^: Yes, it has worked in 18.04, but I got the same errors as isene and someone wanted me to try and fix that with using boot-repair
[13:02] <EriC^> isene: i dont know about the errors but looking at some files i could tell you if its likely to boot when you restart
[13:03] <EriC^> oh wow, pretty odd
[13:03] <EriC^> do you happen to have a log of what it fixed by any chance?
[13:03] <sondre> EriC^: Here is the log for boot-repair -> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/f33hqjXfRG/
[13:03] <sondre> EriC^: :-D
[13:03] <EriC^> nice :D
[13:04] <isene> please continue talking. I'm out for 10 mins. Any info is appreciated (sondre EriC^)
[13:07] <paddingtonbear> Hey. My 17.10 to 18.04 update window has stopped on "accountsservice (amd64) installed". What would be the best thing to do?
[13:09] <PsychoBoB> guys
[13:09] <PsychoBoB> what the best irc client for ubuntu
[13:10] <Wirehunter> paddingtonbear, stopped, like it froze? Or did you get an error?
[13:10] <Wirehunter> PsychoBoB, I'm using HexChat
[13:11] <PsychoBoB> Wirehunter: is good?
[13:11] <Norux> PsychoBoB: I can recommend it :+1:
[13:11] <paddingtonbear> Wirehunter, like froze, yes. The window responds but there's nothing else I can do in it except toggle the terminal display.
[13:12] <Sicnus> On a user I've previously had on my system; I could (as root) su - $user  it would be fine.  Now however, when I do su - $user I get the following:
[13:12] <Sicnus> -su: 2: [: unexpected operator
[13:12] <Wirehunter> PsychoBoB, Haven't really used anything else, but I think it's pretty nice.
[13:12] <Sicnus> -su: 2: [: unexpected operator  (Twice)  and then it puts me back to an /bin/sh prompt.  :/   Any ideas?
[13:12] <PsychoBoB> +1
[13:12] <PsychoBoB> ?
[13:12] <PsychoBoB> what is
[13:12] <Wirehunter> PsychoBoB, That he agrees and recommends the same.
[13:13] <PsychoBoB> Wirehunter:
[13:13] <PsychoBoB> you use ubuntu 18?
[13:13] <binar> Hi, I was asked to tag a bug in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1763429, however I do not know how to tag a bug on launchpad (I am only used to the e-mail-style tagging used by Debian), how can I do this?
[13:13] <tomreyn> paddingtonbear: how long has it been at this point?
[13:14] <paddingtonbear> tomreyn: for like an hour.
[13:16] <BluesKaj> I hate to ask paddingtonbear, buit have you hit the enter key ?
[13:16] <tomreyn> paddingtonbear: oh ok, that's definitely too long.
[13:16] <Wirehunter> PsychoBoB, Yes. 18.04
[13:17] <PsychoBoB> nice!
[13:17] <paddingtonbear> BluesKaj: no... I'll try that then.
[13:17] <PsychoBoB> in note of my work it broks
[13:18] <PsychoBoB> but in my house this version works fine
[13:18] <PsychoBoB> sorry for my english
[13:18] <PsychoBoB> isnot my native language
[13:18] <paddingtonbear> BluesKaj: nothing happened after I hit enter.
[13:18] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:20] <BluesKaj> paddingtonbear, sometimes it stops and asks for options for files that have been edited, you didn't see anything like that i suppose?
[13:20] <Wirehunter> PsychoBoB, What broke? Your Ubuntu installation? After performing the upgrade to 18.04?
[13:21] <paddingtonbear> BluesKaj I didn't see anything like that. The last word on the terminal is "ready" in finnish.
[13:21] <PsychoBoB> Wirehunter: my note in work is very slow with 18;04
[13:21] <Wirehunter> PsychoBoB, That's okay. I'm lucky that HexChat has a spelling checker. I'm not very good at English too.
[13:22] <BluesKaj> paddingtonbear, ok
[13:22] <Wirehunter> PsychoBoB, How so? Is it an old machine? Can you check system monitor to see if a particular process is using a lot of resources?
[13:29] <BluesKaj> paddingtonbear, ready for something ..what was the last readable entry/line from the installation assuming you're upgrading thru the terminal
[13:33] <paddingtonbear> BluesKaj, I didn't upgrade thru the terminal. I upgraded thru the update manager. Bionic's terminal screen says "Adding boot menu entry for EFI firmware configuration" before it says "ready" or "finished" in finnish, "valmis".
[13:35] <sondre> EriC^: From Ukuu I get a popup that says "Linux v.4.16.6 Available - Major update available for installation". Is this something I just dismiss?
[13:35] <Wirehunter> paddingtonbear, Is in not just finished then?
[13:36] <EriC^> sondre: yeah i guess so
[13:37] <paddingtonbear> Wirehunter, I don't know. If it is, what should I then do? It hasn't progressed all the way through the "installing updates" to "tidying up" and "restarting the computer".
[13:38] <sondre> EriC^: Ait thanks again
[13:40] <jwr> unattended upgrades ran a kernel upgrade last night and rebooted my workstation. this morning my sound doesn't work. prior to last night, pavucontrol would show an output device of 'headphones', and now it only shows SPDIF. anybody know how to troubleshoot that?
[13:41] <EriC^> sondre: no problem, sorry about the problem not getting fixed *shrug*
[13:42] <EriC^> fwiw from the boot-repair log it seemed 4.15 was already missing the initrd and it had booted 4.13 to reinstall grub, must be some weird 18.04 upgrade error, hopefully they sort stuff out soon
[13:43] <tomreyn> paddingtonbear: fwiw you'll find logs on your (failed) upgrade in /var/log/dist-upgrade/
[13:43] <BluesKaj> EriC^, think we need your expertise with paddingtonbear 's problem if you aren't otherwise occupied
[13:44] <isene> EriC^: sondre: So I should just boot happily with the 4.13 kernel from 17.10 and wait until this issue is resolved for my XPS15?
[13:44] <tomreyn> paddingtonbear: the most common reason do-release-upgrade fails is when either the upgrade path is not yet supported (i.e. you needed to use the -d switch to make it happen) or that you had third party repositories (PPA) configured and software installed form there previously.
[13:46] <BluesKaj> tomreyn, he's using the update manager, if that makes a difference
[13:46] <tomreyn> paddingtonbear: you will probably need to either install 18.04 from scratch (aftzer backing up what you used to have) or try to recover the failed upgrade using 'apt' on the command line.
[13:46] <tomreyn> BluesKaj: it doesn't
[13:47]  * tomreyn afk
[13:47] <sondre> EriC^: Thank you for your time! Much appriciated, really
[13:48] <squarecircle> heyo
[13:48] <ulkesh> Anyone happen to know why, when I plug in any USB device, my network printer (not plugged in via USB to the system) wakes up?
[13:48] <squarecircle> I have some trouble with core allocation and kvm
[13:48] <BluesKaj> I've never used the update manager so....
[13:48] <squarecircle> does someone here had the problem, that the kvm could not allocate more then one cpu, idependent from the virtual cores?
[13:49] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: maybe something in /var/log/syslog shows more info on what's going on?
[13:49] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: maybe ps aux | grep -E "update|dpkg" might show something?
[13:50] <Wirehunter> paddingtonbear, Do you have enough disk space left? I think I remember running into trouble because of this
[13:52] <paddingtonbear> Wirehunter, there is enough space available. I don't though know where Ubuntu is trying to find that space.
[13:54] <paddingtonbear> EriC^ I tried that command and it gave me things in finnish.
[13:55] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: type "sudo cat /var/log/syslog | nc termbin.com 9999"
[13:56] <hateball> paddingtonbear: to get it in english you can run instead run: LC_ALL=C ps aux | grep -E "update|dpkg"
[13:56] <hateball> for pasting purposes etc
[13:56] <EriC^> add | nc termbin.com 9999 to pastebin it paddingtonbear
[13:57] <paddingtonbear> Done, EriC^.
[13:58] <stevenm> hey how can I mount an smb share *without* being (or accessing) root... i'm thinking some kind of user-space mount like sshfs/fuse/curlftpfs is
[13:58] <stevenm> i've seen gvfs-mount .. but i don't see a way of specifying the smb version - seems to be quite generic
[14:01] <paddingtonbear> EriC^ it doesn't give me anything, that netcat thing.
[14:02] <BluesKaj> perkele, voi jumalauta
[14:03] <yokowka> hello everysoul!!!! Skype when I log in - disapiars, not works. Ubuntu 18.04 LTS.How to make it works?
[14:03] <paddingtonbear> BluesKaj, exactly.
[14:04] <BluesKaj> heh, my finnish is a little rusty , but I do remember some curses
[14:05] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: what does "sudo cat /var/log/syslog | nc termbin.com 9999" give you?
[14:05] <paddingtonbear> nothing
[14:06] <paddingtonbear> ah now!
[14:06] <paddingtonbear> http://termbin.com/5kgu
[14:10] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: what about "LC_ALL=C ps aux | grep -E 'update|dpkg' | nc termbin.com 9999" ?
[14:10] <paddingtonbear> http://termbin.com/y4x7
[14:13] <yokowka> Skype when I log in - disapiars, not works. Ubuntu 18.04 LTS.How to make it works?
[14:14] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: seems to be hung up in some dpkg process with a question something to do with grub
[14:15] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: try "sudo cat /proc/11307/fd/54 | nc termbin.com 9999"
[14:16] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: is the window similar to ubiquity's window? if you press on the bottom of the thing does it expand into a terminal at the bottom?
[14:16] <EriC^> in the gui updater
[14:19] <paddingtonbear> EriC^ I don't think so on the ubiquity look. I can see terminal (after closing terminal display I only can see) one line at a time.
[14:20] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: what does the question in the ps aux output mean?
[14:20] <EriC^> did the cat /proc command return anything?
[14:21] <paddingtonbear> proc command didn't return anything
[14:21] <paddingtonbear> I think it's loading still because there's no $.
[14:22] <EriC^> what does the ps aux mean?
[14:22] <paddingtonbear> EriC^ there is no question in the ps aux output. They are äs and ös.
[14:23] <EriC^> this one paddingtonbear http://termbin.com/y4x7
[14:23] <EriC^> !info friendly-recovery bionic
[14:23] <paddingtonbear> Exactly.
[14:23]  * EriC^ kinda confused
[14:24] <EriC^> you booted your ubuntu normally, and in the update-manager updated to 18.04?
[14:24] <paddingtonbear> They are ä and ö letters.
[14:24] <EriC^> isn't it not allowed to boot to 18.04 yet?
[14:25] <paddingtonbear> Well, normally to me is through recovery, because while using nvidia's proprietary drivers ubuntu doesn't respond to anything when I start normally.
[14:27] <paddingtonbear> EriC^ so, I booted through recovery and updated as recommended while I checked for updates through update manager.
[14:28] <isene> EriC^: (bump) So I should just boot happily with the 4.13 kernel from 17.10 and wait until this issue is resolved for my XPS15?
[14:28] <cap> what could be network problem if ubuntu fails to load or access the router? which is 192.168.1.1 , sometimes it will open, then fails to load, or it takes a long time to open the settings in browser.
[14:30] <EriC^> isene: yeah that should be ok
[14:30] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: aha
[14:31] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: at this point, maybe do "sudo kill 11307" and hope for the best, it should close the dpkg process that's waiting for input
[14:31] <EriC^> i think you're going to have to do what was suggested earlier though, a fresh install of 18.04
[14:32] <paddingtonbear> EriC^ how about "apt -f install" ?
[14:33] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: worth a shot
[14:34] <Wirehunter> paddingtonbear, sudo apt -f install is a good idea
[14:34] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: i wonder if you can send it a signal to stdin
[14:35] <Wirehunter> paddingtonbear,  or sudo dkpg --configure -a
[14:35] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: like 'echo "y" | sudo tee /proc/11307/fd/0'
[14:35] <paddingtonbear> The last "sudo cat /proc/11307/fd/54 | nc termbin.com 9999" is still in progress...
[14:35] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: hold on, cancel the term bin with ctrl+c
[14:35] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: then run "sudo tail -f /proc/11307/fd/54"
[14:36] <EriC^> then try echo "y" | sudo tee /proc/11307/fd/0 and see what happens in the tail -f one
[14:36] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: so you need 2 terminals one for tail -f the other for the echo one
[14:36] <isene> EriC^: Thanks. And thank you for your attention. Appreciated.
[14:37] <MonsieurBon> Hi
[14:37] <paddingtonbear> EriC^ nothing happens in the tail -f one
[14:37] <EriC^> isene: no problem :)
[14:37] <MonsieurBon> Since ubuntu is now using netplan, can I still put scripts into /etc/network/if-pre-up.d or should I put them somewhere else?
[14:37] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: yeah it should keep watching the file for changes
[14:38] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: try the echo one, any stuff in dpkg's status should show in the tail one
[14:38] <paddingtonbear> What am I trying there?
[14:39] <EriC^> echo "y" | sudo tee /proc/11307/fd/0
[14:39] <BluesKaj> MonsieurBon, ubuntu-server uses netplan, afaik ubuntu still uses network-manager
[14:40] <paddingtonbear> tail terminal is unchanged. Just loading away seemingly.
[14:40] <MonsieurBon> BluesKaj, oh ok. I'm talking about ubuntu-server
[14:40] <yokowka>  Skype when I log in - disapiars, not works. Ubuntu 18.04 LTS.How to make it works?
[14:40] <Ool> into 18.04 how can give in network manager the domain-search parameter manualy  ?
[14:41] <Ool> I don't find the text box for that
[14:41] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: ok, try to kill the process, sudo kill 11307
[14:42] <paddingtonbear> So I don't ctrl+c the tail?
[14:42] <paddingtonbear> And try the apt -f install?
[14:43] <MonsieurBon> BluesKaj, I'm looking for the correct location to put my iptables script to activate the rules before the interfaces come up.
[14:46] <BluesKaj> MonsieurBon, I don't know since I haven't used iptables in many yrs
[14:47] <BluesKaj> MonsieurBon,where were thy located on your previous OS ?
[14:47] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: leave the tail and try sudo kill 11307
[14:49] <MonsieurBon> BluesKaj, I used to put them in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d on previous versions of ubuntu-server
[14:50] <paddingtonbear> Okay EriC^ now it threw a window at me that states (paraphrasing in finnish) "Updates could not be installed" and below it "Update has been interrupted. The system can be in an unstable state. Return command is being performed now (dpkg --configure -a)."
[14:50] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: aha cool
[14:51] <BluesKaj> MonsieurBon, I just have Wireless-tools and wpa-supplicant there
[14:52] <Mendigaum> My bluetooth device doesn't show up at rfkill list but it does show up at lsusb. Ubuntu 18.04. Any clue?
[14:52] <ServerGuy> hey guys can anyone help me with a crontab
[14:52] <ServerGuy> so im running this as a crontab
[14:52] <ServerGuy> certbot renew | mail -s `hostname 'Cerbot SSL Renewal' my@email.com
[14:52] <MonsieurBon> BluesKaj, I'll just give it a try
[14:53] <ServerGuy> but its not working, trying to get a dynamic hostname on the subject line
[14:53] <Kon-> Is /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-nvidia.conf the correct place to add configuration options for X on Nvidia?
[14:54] <Kon-> I've seen a lot of Arch-related topics which reference a 20-nvidia.conf, but I only have 10-nvidia.conf on Ubuntu
[14:54] <Wirehunter> Kon-, A higher number overwrites the configurations made in the lower numbers
[14:55] <tgm4883> ServerGuy: why do you only have 1 backtick?
[14:55] <Kon-> Okay, that makes it easy. Thanks Wirehunter
[14:55] <ServerGuy> is that not correct?
[14:55] <Wirehunter> Kon-, 10-nvidia.conf is indeed the place to put the driver related X options.
[14:55] <tgm4883> ServerGuy: have you tried running it outside of cron and does it work?
[14:55] <Kon-> But 20-nvidia.conf would work just as well?
[14:56] <ServerGuy> no tgm4883
[14:56] <ServerGuy> Dosent work in CLI either
[14:56] <Wirehunter> Kon-, probably
[14:56] <tgm4883> ServerGuy: that's always troubleshooting step 1. So you're going to want to surround your command (hostname) in backticks
[14:57] <ServerGuy> yep just backtick missing
[14:57] <ServerGuy> should be `` not `
[14:57] <ServerGuy> :D thanks!
[14:57] <tgm4883> yw
[14:58] <Mendigaum> I have a "045e:0745 Microsoft Corp. Nano Transceiver v1.0 for Bluetooth" not being detected after upgrading to ubuntu 18.04. It also doesn't show up in rfkill list. Any hint?
[14:58] <Wirehunter> Kon-, but why not edit the 10-nvidia.conf then? Also, if you're doing Optimus. prime-select will make changes in 11-nvidia-prime.conf I think
[15:00] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: any luck?
[15:00] <Kon-> Wirehunter: 10-nvidia.conf has only a few lines of text and doesn't follow quite the same format as xorg.conf. If 20-nvidia.conf doesn't work, I guess I can try it and see what happens
[15:00] <Kon-> This desktop is thankfully Optimus-free
[15:00] <Wirehunter> Kon-, Alright
[15:01] <paddingtonbear> EriC^ nothing really seemed to happen except that "accountsservice (amd64) installed" disappeared.
[15:01] <paddingtonbear> I wonder what happened at Bionic's terminal but it's next to impossible to see because it only shows one very narrow row at a time.
[15:02] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: did the updater continue?
[15:02] <paddingtonbear> EriC^ seemingly no.
[15:02] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: can you resize it with the border?
[15:02] <paddingtonbear> No
[15:03] <EriC^> hmm, anything dpkg related still running in ps aux | grep dpkg
[15:04] <paddingtonbear> http://termbin.com/ezrf
[15:06] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: same one, its like it was updating friendly-recovery (responsible for the nice recovery menu) and in the post install script it gave the menu it usually shows in the recovery mode
[15:06] <EriC^> !info friendly-recovery bionic
[15:06] <EriC^> !info friendly-recovery artful
[15:06] <EriC^> actually it still has the old version installed, hmm
[15:08] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: i have an idea, try sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/friendly-recovery.postinst /friendly-recovery.postinst.backup
[15:09] <paddingtonbear> EriC^ now what?
[15:09] <EriC^> then kill the process again with sudo kill 12363
[15:09] <paddingtonbear> Nothing has advanced to any extent after I did try that.
[15:10] <EriC^> yeah we're hoping on the second time it tried to configure the packages it wont have anything to do as a postinstall
[15:10] <paddingtonbear> Okay...
[15:10] <paddingtonbear> Now what?
[15:11] <paddingtonbear> killed 12363
[15:11] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: how's the updater looking?
[15:11] <paddingtonbear> Still.
[15:11] <EriC^> try sudo kill 9653
[15:11] <EriC^> and sudo kill 6979
[15:11] <EriC^> i'm avoiding killing dpkg cause maybe it won't reattempt to configure stuff
[15:12] <paddingtonbear> Btw I have'nt tried the apt -f install at any point.
[15:12] <EriC^> it wouldnt work anyways cause dpkg has a lock on the package system
[15:12] <paddingtonbear> now regenerating fonts cache!
[15:12] <EriC^> nice!
[15:12] <paddingtonbear> after kill 9653
[15:13] <paddingtonbear> Damn. How can I see a larger display on that Bionic's terminal?
[15:14] <nicomachus> paddingtonbear: language!
[15:14] <EriC^> maybe there's some scroll overlay to the right?
[15:14] <Marikos> @paddingtonbear assuming you're on a tty?
[15:14] <paddingtonbear> I'm sorry!
[15:14] <EriC^> maybe press 'page up'
[15:16] <Marikos> Trying to triage an issue sshing into a 16.04 box of mine, it auths and conencts, and I can get a local port forward to work, so I know ssh is working, but it's immediately disconnecting me and won't run any commands either.  It's really weird and google is being of little help https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TdXFJm8gFQ/
[15:16] <paddingtonbear> Okay, this just in: "The update is ready/finished" (remember, finnish...) and below it "The update did finish, but there did occur errors during the update."   NOTE: I didn't do the second sudo kill, 6979
[15:17] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: aha, what does sudo apt-get -f install && sudo dpkg --configure -a give?
[15:18] <paddingtonbear> EriC^ a lot of stuff about dependencies-
[15:18] <nicomachus> Marikos: can you paste your sshd_config?
[15:18] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: pastebin
[15:19] <Marikos> nicomachus: If I could get into the server I would gladly... that's the issue I think
[15:20] <Marikos> I can try getting into one of my docker containers, all the services are running fine, but I doubt that would be of any use
[15:20] <Marikos> Actually, I have a crazy idea
[15:20] <paddingtonbear> EriC^ https://pastebin.com/Es4ZyzyA
[15:20] <nicomachus> Marikos: looking similar to this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/148714/cant-ssh-connection-terminates-immediately-with-exit-status-254
[15:20] <paddingtonbear> I put it through google translate :)
[15:23] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: aha
[15:23] <Marikos> nicomachus: saw that thread, haven't had much luck.  tryign a crazy idea
[15:24] <EriC^> try now 'sudo mv /friendly-recovery.postinst.backup /var/lib/dpkg/info/friendly-recovery.postinst
[15:24] <EriC^> '
[15:24] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: then sudo apt-get -f autoremove
[15:24] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: you use sikulix?
[15:25] <paddingtonbear> Never heard of sikulix, EriC^.
[15:25] <EriC^> aha noticed some image recognition stuff
[15:26] <paddingtonbear> EriC^ now the autoremove is going to remove 969 Mb worth of stuff?
[15:26] <EriC^> oh wow, nevermind then
[15:26] <EriC^> only do sudo apt-get -f install
[15:27] <Marikos> nicomachus: sshd_config https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4kRSY5ndyr/
[15:27] <paddingtonbear> EriC^ https://pastebin.com/r3bLHU4p
[15:27] <paddingtonbear> about the autoremove.
[15:28] <paddingtonbear> It could be a good thing. :D
[15:28] <Marikos> checked my user entry in /etc/passwd everything looks kosher
[15:29] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: nothing seems incredibly important
[15:29] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: go for it ;)
[15:30] <paddingtonbear> I've never had anything towards having an extra gigabyte of space...
[15:31] <EriC^> :D
[15:32] <paddingtonbear> And then I "sudo apt-get -f install" ?
[15:34] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: yeah
[15:34] <paddingtonbear> Didn't install anything. 0 on every category.
[15:35] <paddingtonbear> But the tail -f /proc/11307/fd/54 is still loading.
[15:35] <Marikos> nicomachus: Seeing a bunch of entries like this in my auth log https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Z6BpytkS42/
[15:36] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: aha close the tail -f one
[15:36] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: cat /etc/issue looks good?
[15:36] <EriC^> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:37] <paddingtonbear> Ubuntu 18.04 LTS \n \l                      EriC^
[15:37] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: is it using the bionic repos in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[15:38] <schang> Hi
[15:38] <dithmer> Hi!
[15:38] <paddingtonbear> EriC^ https://pastebin.com/80fKAaS4
[15:39] <schang> this morning I did a dist-upgrade on my 16.04 LTS and libc-bin (which was one of the few packages to be upgraded) failed during configure. Then any command would result in a segfault...
[15:39] <schang> have other encountered the same issue or is it just me ?
[15:39] <nicomachus> Marikos: yea, I think changing the PAM setting, like in the link I sent you, may correct that.
[15:40] <schang> I've pasted error messages in google but only found similar occurences from like October 2017
[15:40] <nicomachus> schang: 'sudo dpkg --configure -a && sudo apt install -f'
[15:40] <Marikos> nicomachus: Trying that, need to figure out how to restart sshd...
[15:40] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: looks good
[15:40] <schang> nicomachus well the machine would let me do any of that. every command ended in segfault
[15:40] <EriC^> it has valmis'd
[15:40] <EriC^> :D
[15:41] <Marikos> was able to get into the filesystem by making an ubuntu container in my docker UI and mapping the host fs
[15:41] <paddingtonbear> HAH!
[15:41] <paddingtonbear> What about the /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[15:41] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: give it an upload
[15:41] <EriC^> cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:42] <dithmer> schang: Tried to use a rescue system, mount your fs and do that in chroot-like environment?
[15:42] <schang> dithmer no, I had a full backup which I just finished restoring.
[15:42] <paddingtonbear> EriC^ https://pastebin.com/CcwjxavF
[15:42] <dithmer> schang: Did the dist-upgrade again? Happened again?
[15:43] <schang> dithmer I've then re-run the upgrade to see if same causes would lead to same consequences. which it did not
[15:43] <schang> dis-upgrade actually
[15:43] <EriC^> paddingtonbear: looks good
[15:43] <EriC^> try rebooting, see if the normal mode works without recovery
[15:44] <schang> dithmer weird, dnt know what happened exaclty but I thought if here is  general problem with that update on libc-bin then I would certainly not be the only one ending with this issue
[15:44] <schang> dithmer but apprently it is just me
[15:44] <BluesKaj> odd that his sources still show artful altho commented
[15:44] <paddingtonbear> Oh yeah! Thank you (in advance?). You have been a great help. I hope there are good things coming to you EriC^ !
[15:45] <paddingtonbear> I'd shake your hand, but the distance, the longing, the distance... You know how it is. :)
[15:46] <schang> well thanks anyway :)
[15:47] <renjie> hi guys!
[15:52] <Marikos> nicomachus: that was super weird. I rebooted the machine after making that change and everything seems to be fine
[15:53] <luxio> the classic "have you tried turning it off and on again"
[15:53] <luxio> :')
[15:53] <nicomachus> Marikos: glad to hear it.
[15:54] <Marikos> nicomachus: Not sure if it was that or the reboot that fixed it.  But that was probably the jankiest reboot I've ever done... ubuntu docker container, with /proc mapped into /tmp/proc, and doing a magic sysreq reboot from inside that docker container shell in a browser window
[15:56] <Marikos> nicomachus: just really weird that it suddenly started doing that
[15:58] <tpw_rules> hey. i just installed ubuntu 18.04 into a virtual box guest on my mac and it seems it's having trouble getting graphics started. i get the 'ubuntu' screen with the dots under it for a few seconds and then it freezes when i'd expect the login screen to show up
[16:06] <rmoore> Is there a relatively easy CLI command series to join an Ubuntu system to a Windows domain?
[16:09] <nicomachus> Marikos: sometimes linux is just weird. For example, I can't get an alsa output to work with librespotify, but it works with every other sound-outputting program on the device.
[16:09] <nicomachus> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[16:10] <Fuchs> rmoore: if you have already set up sssd: yes
[16:10] <Fuchs> otherwise: no
[16:12] <Marikos> nicomachus: Very true.  Just trying to keep this as simple as possible.  Ran into a fun issue yesterday after firing up a cadvisor container.  I think there's some kind of memory leak and my slab memory went from the ~2.8 gigs is usually runs to close to 14, and my system load was 90+ :/
[16:13] <nicomachus> there was a huge issue with Gnome memory leaks, not sure if that's related. And I think that's been resolved..
[16:13] <nicomachus> I don't know much of anything about containers.
[16:13] <Marikos> nicomachus: doubt it.  This is a headless box running 16.04 server
[16:14] <Marikos> I've been trying to use docker for all my services to keep things clean and easy to update.  I had to redo the machine a couple months ago and I was able to get all my services back up and running inside of 5 minutes thanks to it being all in containers
[16:19] <BionicMac> How do I blacklist certain packages frmo being upgraded from a repo I added to my 18.04 system? In other words when I do 'apt-get full-upgrade' there are certain packages that will upgrade frmo the repo (which I need and really do not want to keep reoving it and adding which would be a short term answer)
[16:19] <genii> !pinning | BionicMac
[16:19] <BionicMac> Plus, there are only certain packages that I do not want it to upgrade unless from the ubuntu official repo.
[16:19] <john_rambo> I used dd to burn the 18.04 iso to usb ...When I select "Install Ubuntu" it reboots back to bios screen
[16:19] <genii> BionicMac: See the bot's link
[16:20] <BionicMac> genii: Thank you kindly!
[16:20] <genii> BionicMac: np
[16:20] <BionicMac> exactamundo
[16:20] <john_rambo> md5sum is correct
[16:28] <rmoore> anyone familiar with using SSSD to join an Ubuntu system to a Windows domain?
[16:38] <yourname> i have an older labtop and it doesnt boot sd cards.. can grub boot sd cards?
[16:42] <Cheez> what's the simplest way of choosing a wallpaper for each monitor in unity?
[16:43] <nacc> yourname: does the laptop not boot them or does grub not seem them? those are different things (one is controlled by the BIOS)
[16:45] <yourname> nacc: hey! i believe the bios doesnt support it. so im trying to try to get grub to do it. im at the grub menu now trying geometry (hd0) but its saying command now found
[16:45] <yourname> not*
[16:45] <Cheez> hmmm, i was hoping my question would be simple to answer, whenever i've googled everything seems gnome based :(
[16:47] <osa1> is there a way to get the list of all packages I've installed so far?
[16:47] <Cheez> dpkg -l | grep ii
[16:48] <osa1> thanks, but that includes stock packages too
[16:48] <nacc> yourname: if your bios doens't support it, then it's most likely not exposed to grub as a device
[16:48] <MonkeyDust> osa1  by date    cat /var/log/dpkg.log | grep "\ install\ "
[16:49] <Cheez> apt-mark showmanual apparently, osa1. that's a new one on me though.
[16:49] <Cheez> and to be honest it's showing things like unity as manually installed for me
[16:49] <MonkeyDust> that makes 3 ways to show the list
[16:49] <tgm4883> Depending on the end goal, some are better than others
[16:50] <osa1> the end goal is to make a list of packages I need on a stock Xubuntu 18.04 so that I can quickly install stuff I need on a new system
[16:50] <nacc> Cheez: all 'manual' means is that at some point, you possibly said `sudo apt install unity`, iirc
[16:50] <osa1> I guess it doesn't hurt to include stock packages in this list
[16:50] <thinky> hi
[16:50] <yourname> nacc, ah oh ok.. guess its just time for an upgrade haha.. thanks
[16:50] <MonkeyDust> osa1  use apt-clone to that end
[16:51] <tgm4883> osa1: only hurts if you want to change environments
[16:51] <Cheez> nacc: this is a fairly new install of 16.04 - i haven't installed unity beyond clicking the install button in the install disk menu :)
[16:51] <MonkeyDust> !info apt-clone
[16:51] <osa1> nice, I'll take a look
[16:52] <nacc> Cheez: hrm, ok -- perhaps i'm misremembering then
[16:53] <MonkeyDust> osa1  apt-clone clone [dest] .... apt-clone restore [file on dest]
[16:54] <osa1> ideally I'd just have a text file with some package names because I'm hoping to push this to a git repo...
[16:55] <MonkeyDust> osa1  dpkg -l|grep ii|awk '{print $2}' > ~/Documents/packages
[16:57] <badxboy666> hey guys installed Cinnamon-disktop and when i reboot ubuntu and try to login to Cinnamon disktop but i cant :|
[16:57] <osa1> thanks MonkeyDust
[16:57] <badxboy666> sry for my bad english
[16:58] <MonkeyDust> osa1  save that line somewhere, in case you'll need it again
[17:06] <thinky> Hi
[17:06] <thinky> I cant boot ubuntu 18.04
[17:06] <thinky> It opened black screen
[17:07] <thinky> User and password
[17:07] <thinky> But not booting in
[17:07] <thinky> It says Welcome to ubuntu 18.04 lts ...
[17:08] <thinky> *Meltdown, Spectre and Ubuntu: what are the attack vectors,
[17:08] <atlas_0x01> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRgNtGXDMlY
[17:08] <atlas_0x01> thinky:
[17:08] <thinky> Yes?
[17:08] <atlas_0x01> Watch that
[17:08] <nacc> atlas_0x01: please don't do that
[17:09] <brenster21> hey so my computer is going to emergency mode. how can i export the log to another machine?
[17:09] <nacc> atlas_0x01: if you don't want to answer, don't, but don't link to potentially random youtube videos, IMO
[17:09] <thinky> Please i need hell
[17:09] <thinky> Help
[17:09] <nicomachus> !enter | thinky
[17:09] <Wirehunter> atlas_0x01, Did you perform an upgrade from a prior version?
[17:09] <SlidingHorn> !patience > thinky
[17:09] <nicomachus> thinky: what's your graphics card setup?
[17:10] <thinky> Intel
[17:10] <nacc> thinky: what happens when you enter your user and password? this is on a tty? or at the greeter?
[17:10] <thinky> Integrated graphics
[17:10] <thinky> Nacc yes tty1 it says
[17:10] <thinky> Ubuntu 18.04 LTS tyy1
[17:10] <thinky> tty1
[17:10] <atlas_0x01> Are you booting from a usb? What exactly happens on boot up? Is it a login loop? Did you try anything else?
[17:11] <nacc> thinky: ok, tty1 -- what happens?
[17:11] <atlas_0x01> nacc: It's not random
[17:11] <thinky> I restarted then i faced this
[17:11] <thinky> Dont know how to go back actual ubuntu login
[17:11] <nacc> atlas_0x01: there's no way for any of us to know that without watching the video, which is not a reasonable way to provide support
[17:12] <nacc> thinky: you still haven't answered my question
[17:12] <nacc> thinky: what happens when you do attempt to login on tty1?
[17:12] <atlas_0x01> Well then watch the video. ie if a stackoverflow link ansewers a question somone asked, I'm not gonna copy paste the whole thing. I'm just gonna send the link
[17:13] <thinky> nacc it asks my user name and password
[17:13] <thinky> I enter
[17:13] <nacc> atlas_0x01: i have no interest in watching a video.
[17:13] <BionicMac> genii: This is so beautiful man! Pinning is my grail. Thanks again!
[17:13] <nicomachus> atlas_0x01: but stackoverflow is historically a tech support forum. Youtube is... anything. regardless, this is all off-topic.
[17:13] <thinky> It shows some information about meltdown and spectre thats all
[17:13] <nacc> thinky: yes ... (and please stop using enter as punctuation)
[17:13] <nacc> thinky: you mean it shows you the message of the day?
[17:13] <thinky> Nothing else happens
[17:13] <nacc> thinky: are you at a $ ... prompt?
[17:14] <thinky> Yes user:$
[17:14] <Wirehunter> atlas_0x01, what question does the video answer? I mean, It's about a CTF challenge.
[17:14] <nacc> thinky: then you're logged in
[17:14] <nacc> thinky: is your question actually why you weren't presented with a graphical interface?
[17:14] <atlas_0x01> Wirehunter: no, it's about how (not) to ask a technical question.
[17:15] <thinky> Nacc yes why cant i see actual desktop?
[17:15] <nicomachus> Wirehunter & atlas_0x01: let's stick to support and drop the youtube debate.
[17:15] <atlas_0x01> And it provides information that I think everyone should know before doing so
[17:15] <Wirehunter> atlas_0x01, It's a nice video to discuss elsewhere. Not here.
[17:15] <genii> BionicMac: Glad to assist :)
[17:15] <atlas_0x01> np
[17:15] <nacc> thinky: there are several reasons, possibly. has anything changed recently? when you restarted, was it a normal reboot, or did you have to physically restart your machine?
[17:16] <nacc> thinky: what does `ps aux | grep X` report (you can run that at the prompt you are at)
[17:16] <riotz> how do i disable all those gnome-settings-daemon processes that are launched?
[17:16] <riotz> .. /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gsd-wacom /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gsd-smartcard
[17:16] <nacc> riotz: I don't think you can in gnome
[17:17] <riotz> wtf.. i neither have a wacom tablet nor smartcard enabled
[17:17] <thinky> Well i tried to lock to see lock screen, but i couldnt login back with my password. It said something like authentication failed
[17:17] <thinky> Then i forced to close the laptop by power button
[17:17] <nacc> riotz: iirc, it's not about what you have installed, it's about possible settings
[17:17] <nacc> riotz: and if you don't have the device, i doubt those processes are taking any cpu
[17:18] <nacc> thinky: did you perhaps just typo your password?
[17:18] <riotz> they eat ram.. cpucycles and they disturb me in my ps list
[17:18] <thinky> Nacc it is impossible
[17:18] <riotz> they are totaly useless
[17:18] <nacc> thinky: force resetting seems a bit extreme
[17:18] <nacc> riotz: i seriously doubt they use up any of your RAM in a way you notice (given you are on a desktop running gnome in the first place)
[17:19] <nzst> ruby
[17:19] <nacc> riotz: if you really don't want them, i think don't run gnome
[17:19] <Wirehunter> thinky, what happens when you run xinit?
[17:19] <riotz> they are even two times in my ps list
[17:19] <riotz> i just had time to walk thru the ps list now.. wtf
[17:19] <thinky> Command returns with : 1600 0.0 0.0 22952 1052 tty1 S+ 20:18 0:00 grep - - color=auto X
[17:19] <nacc> riotz: probably because you have two sessions running -- one for gdm and one for your logged in session
[17:19] <riotz> i dont remember seeing those processes on 17.10
[17:20] <nacc> riotz: 17.10 was unity still, iirc?
[17:20] <riotz> nope it was gnome already
[17:20] <nacc> riotz: did you fresh install it?
[17:20] <riotz> nope.. upgrade
[17:20] <thinky> Wirehunter xinit giving up unable to connect xinit server
[17:20] <nacc> riotz: i don't think 17.10 changed you to gnome, but i could be wrong
[17:20] <nacc> (even if it was the default on fresh installs)
[17:21] <nicomachus> nacc: I thought 17.10 was the first iteration of default gnome
[17:21] <nacc> nicomachus: on fresh installs, yes.
[17:21] <nacc> nicomachus: i'm not sure that upgrades changed what was installed, though, unlike 18.04 (iirc)
[17:21] <nicomachus> ah ok.
[17:21] <riotz> yes.. on 17.10 unity got dropped
[17:21] <nicomachus> i'm still on 16.04 on everything
[17:21] <nacc> riotz: in any case, it's not particularly relevant, this is how 18.04 behaves
[17:22] <nacc> (and how gnome itself behaves in principle)
[17:22] <nacc> riotz: tbh, if you really can't gloss stuff that's not super relevant in ps output, then don't run ps :)
[17:23] <nacc> riotz: but in any case, i think the answer to your original question is you can't (stop/remove the gsd processes)
[17:23] <nacc> riotz: and if you did, i believe you'd lose state in your session
[17:24] <riotz> there seems to be a switch to disable smartcard support
[17:24] <riotz> --disable-smartcard-support
[17:24] <thinky> Am i ignored?
[17:24] <nacc> thinky: no
[17:24] <riotz> and cups aswell
[17:24] <riotz> but whats the crap with wacom
[17:25] <deepesh> I am having problems with suspend in ubuntu 18.04 (upgraded today)
[17:25] <riotz> probably only 0.001% of gnome users run it on a wacom
[17:25] <riotz> what the heck is this process doing in my ps list
[17:25] <nacc> riotz: flags to what?
[17:25] <nacc> riotz: you seem to be ignoring what I've told you
[17:26] <Wirehunter> thinky, Your display server can't start then, can you share your logs? sudo cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:26] <nacc> thinky: it's possible that by force resetting your system, you basically crashed something that is now preventing your system from starting properly, what Wirehunter is suggesting should work
[17:27] <nacc> i would also possibly look in syslog and dmesg if it's something more critical
[17:28] <thinky> Let me try
[17:28] <Wirehunter> thinky, You'll get a link, If you share that we can look into the logfile of your window server
[17:30] <thinky> Wirehunter cat: /var/log/Xorg.0.log: No such file or directory
[17:30] <riotz> check the syslog then
[17:30] <thinky> I am typing mobile phone now
[17:31] <nacc> thinky: why aren't you using the computer that is at the tty?
[17:31] <thinky> On tty i cant message you
[17:31] <thinky> Tty is also open infront of me now
[17:31] <nacc> thinky: you can run the command requested
[17:32] <nacc> thinky: and you can also run irssi or whatever you want on that tty or on a different one
[17:32] <thinky> I am typing commands
[17:32] <thinky> Oh
[17:32] <riotz> sudo cat /var/log/syslog | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:32] <riotz> this will create a link to share your whole syslog file
[17:32] <thinky2> i am back on irssi
[17:32] <thinky2> now how can i see tty screen?
[17:33] <Wirehunter> You can switch between tty's using ctrl + alt + F1-9
[17:33] <thinky2> ok
[17:33] <thinky2> now what should i do?
[17:33] <Wirehunter> execute: sudo cat /var/log/syslog | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:34] <thinky2> ok just a min
[17:34] <thinky2> mouse doesnt work to copy paste :/
[17:35] <ioria> !info gpm bionic
[17:35] <ioria> thinky2, install gpm
[17:35] <thinky> Wirehunter : http://termbin.com/etr4
[17:36] <thinky2> ioria: left-right clicks dont work i think
[17:37] <rajiv_> guys, how to update the grub2 in ubuntu 18.04 (UEFI)?
[17:37] <riotz> rajiv_, what about update-grub?
[17:38] <rajiv_> riotz, oh. thanks!
[17:38] <thinky2> riotz: does it work?
[17:38] <thinky2> oh never mind
[17:38] <thinky2> i thought related with my problem
[17:38] <rents> hello! just trying
[17:38] <riotz> thinky2, i'm reading thru it.. a lot of errors.. didnt find the root cause now
[17:38] <riotz> hard to read this log damn
[17:38] <rajiv_> is it this 'grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg'?
[17:39] <thinky2> riotz: actually i was playing with /usr/share/backgrounds  xml files
[17:39] <ioria> thinky2,  works here
[17:39] <o0oscar> hi all. i have a problem concerning my bluetooth. it just disappeared after having worked well. i can no longer activate it. lspci doesnt show it, i assume it did before, since it was working properly for a long time. no hardware switch on my laptop, no bios deactivation whatsoever...
[17:39] <thinky2> to slideshow wallpapers
[17:40] <ioria> thinky2,  probably you need to start it: sudo service gpm start
[17:40] <thinky2> then i ruined actual bionic wallpapers xml and reinstalled them
[17:41] <thinky2> after that i locked my user but it didnt accept my password. i had to hard reset by power button
[17:41] <Wirehunter> thinky2, Yeah, I see that
[17:41] <riotz> thinky2, and then?
[17:41] <thinky2> then i am here :S
[17:41] <thinky2> tty
[17:42] <thinky2> first time i am here
[17:42] <thinky2> weird black screen
[17:42] <riotz> uhm, what about restoring the file you edited then?
[17:42] <thinky2> i mean first time i faced this problem
[17:42] <Wirehunter> The shell gives crashes and the stacktrace starts at May  :org.gnome.Shell.desktop[1853]: #0 0x55b7c62acbb0 i   resource:///org/gnome/shell/ui/background.js:718 (0x7f12f000f450 @ 22)
[17:42] <rents> hey guys, why don't u just use Windows? Ubuntu is like.. i want but i can't
[17:42] <riotz> yeah.. i saw that too
[17:42] <thinky2> riotz: i thought i restored. i deleted bionic.xml then i reinstalled ubuntu-wallpapers-bionic
[17:43] <riotz> and? is that file there now?
[17:43] <thinky2> riotz: should be
[17:43] <thinky2> last time i checked file was there
[17:43] <nacc> rents: please take rants to another channel.
[17:44] <nacc> Wirehunter: gnome-shell segfault?
[17:44] <rents> jajaj just fucking around, i wanted to see if my messages arrived
[17:44] <nacc> rents: please don't do that here, and also watch your language.
[17:45] <thinky2> can i install gnome shell again if it helps?
[17:45] <riotz> thinky2, you have a lot of access denied errors
[17:45] <thinky2> :S
[17:45] <ioria> thinky2,  you can try    apt install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[17:46] <thinky2> can i?
[17:46] <Wirehunter> Yeah, that might help
[17:46] <nacc> that would be my suspicion as well, something critical was removed manually (although not described as such so far)
[17:46] <thinky2> installing now
[17:47] <riotz> maybe do a "sudo chown -R myuser:myuser " in you home directory
[17:47] <iopq> Ubuntu can't detect my second monitor connected to onboard graphics, my main monitor is on an AMD gpu
[17:47] <iopq> but when I reboot I can see that it's working
[17:47] <ioria> thinky2,  and about gpm, you don't have a copy/paste menu  ; you just select the string and  click
[17:47] <thinky2> < ioria> thinky2,  and about gpm, you don't have a copy/paste menu
[17:48] <thinky2> cool
[17:48] <thinky2> thanx ioria
[17:48] <Wirehunter> nacc, it's in the javascript.
[17:48] <ioria> yeah, gpm is cool
[17:48] <thinky2> Wirehunter: it was just xml file how comes it gives critical error :S
[17:49] <nacc> thinky2: possibly you corrupted a file that told gnome-shell how to draw the background
[17:49] <thinky2> hmm
[17:49] <Wirehunter> thinky2, The xml might confuse the gnome-shell
[17:49] <nacc> thinky2: (note you did that as root, so ... yes you can break your system)
[17:49] <bunnyman13> Hello All,
[17:49] <thinky2> as root? i dont think so
[17:49] <thinky2> i did sudo rm..
[17:50] <thinky2> reinstalling desktop is done
[17:50] <Wirehunter> And somehow it tries to swap an old background for a new one, while there might not be an old background anymore
[17:50] <nacc> thinky2: you wouldn't have been able to edit /usr/share/backgrounds/*.xml without root,
[17:50] <skoup> what email server program would you recommend for a beginner?
[17:50] <nacc> thinky2: sudo is root.
[17:50] <thinky2> nacc:  i did gedit /usr/share...
[17:51] <nacc> thinky2: you just said you did sudo rm?
[17:51] <Wirehunter> thinky2, Super-User do, THat causes something to be executed using root previleges.
[17:51] <thinky2> nacc: first i did gedit to edit xml
[17:51] <nacc> thinky2: gedit /usr/share... would have opened in readonly mode
[17:51] <thinky2> i was trying to add more wallpapers from other xml files
[17:51] <bunnyman13> So a little rant, I wanted to use Ubuntu in as a work computer needed a rmm program we use, and i tried to use play on linux. Let's just say my desktop wouldn't start anymore.
[17:51] <thinky2> other ubuntu wallpapers
[17:52] <thinky2> then when i realised it doesnt work i did rm to delete bionic.xml then i installed back ubuntu-wallpapers-bionic
[17:52] <bunnyman13> turned out...play on linux virtual drives kept expanding, and filled the disk
[17:52] <nacc> bunnyman13: you wanted to use ubuntu to run a windows program?
[17:52] <riotz>  thinky2 wasnt it you who told me like 2 days ago that you want everything to be default?
[17:52] <thinky2> nacc: after opening gedit and editing i saved the file without problem
[17:52] <Wirehunter> you shouldn't have done rm bionic.xml, haha.
[17:52] <bunnyman13> @nacc yes it's stupid but easiest way to make it work.
[17:53] <nacc> thinky2: seems unlikely, unless you have made other changes to your system, or possibly were already root (sudo -s -H or something)
[17:53] <bunnyman13> thing i learned from this was....screw windows
[17:53] <riotz> yeah.. dont rm files for nothing ddude
[17:53] <riotz> mv to bak
[17:53] <thinky2> :S
[17:53] <thinky2> what can i do now?
[17:53] <thinky2> re install ubuntu?
[17:53] <riotz> since it was just 2 days you had your system installed i guess you didnt loose much at all anyways
[17:54] <nacc> thinky2: you've restored the xml files? have you tried rebooting now?
[17:54] <thinky2> riotz: i already installed 2 times :S
[17:54] <riotz> yeah.. youre to noob to get your system up anyways
[17:54] <riotz> just friggin reinstall
[17:54] <thinky2> installing apps back is tiring
[17:54] <matyd> I'm running 18.04 LTS and since the upgrade from 16.04 the battery on my laptop has been discharging at a quicker rate.. what can i do to begin trouble shooting an to see if it's a program that is installed or something else that's causing the battery to die quicker?
[17:54] <thinky2> nacc:  i reinstalled ubuntu-desktop
[17:54] <thinky2> let me try reboot
[17:54] <thinky2> brb
[17:55] <bunnyman13> @matyd, hmm...honestly i havn't noticed battery drain issues
[17:55] <bunnyman13> um...
[17:56] <bunnyman13> What kind of Laptop?
[17:56] <thinky> back on graphical desktop :D
[17:56] <thinky> it worked
[17:56] <Wirehunter> Still, I don't think gnome-shell should crash when a file like : /usr/share/backgrounds/contest/bionic.xml has been broken.
[17:56] <thinky> it is working now
[17:56] <riotz> oh new fedora got just released
[17:56] <thinky> thank you all Wirehunter riotz nacc ioria
[17:56] <bunnyman13> @Wirehunter it shouldn't
[17:56] <BionicMac> Is the linux-realtime kernel no longer available from official Ubuntu repos? all I can find is linux-lowlatency package. I've searched everywhere and readingh here has proved to be no answer:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RealTime
[17:57] <riotz> thinky, install new fedora so we can get rid of you
[17:57] <riotz> :D
[17:57] <bunnyman13> @riotz lol
[17:57] <thinky> lol no i like ubuntu :p
[17:57] <nacc> Wirehunter: you have to be root (by default) to edit htat file
[17:57] <bunnyman13> @nacc yes
[17:57] <nacc> BionicMac: i don't think it has been for some time
[17:58] <BionicMac> The link I pasted above:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RealTime refers to linux-lowlatency and linux-realtime. A search by aptcache and elsewhere proves no available linux-realtime.
[17:58] <nacc> bunnyman13: Wirehunter: and root can make your system unusable in lots of ways, no protection
[17:58] <BionicMac> nacc: Thanks. I will have to test the linux-lowlatency and if it doesn't perform the way I need I will build a realtime kernel.
[17:58] <matyd> dell inspiron 5387 i think
[17:58] <bunnyman13> @nacc you are right
[17:58] <BionicMac> nacc: Where are the docs for building kernels the
[17:58] <thinky> by the way how can i achieve what i am trying to do? adding more wallpapers in xml file to slide?
[17:58] <nacc> now, gnome-shell probably is stupid in this case, but there's a lot of more relevant work in gnome :)
[17:59] <nacc> BionicMac: presumably on the ubuntu kernel wiki
[17:59] <nacc> BionicMac: although, ubuntu is not a rtos
[17:59] <BionicMac> Ubuntu way" ? meaning: I should end up with a package for easy maintenance.
[17:59] <thinky> i installed all ubuntu wallpaper versions since old versions but they all have different xml files. i would like them all in one
[17:59] <BionicMac> ?
[17:59] <bunnyman13> but I was thinking what if the desktop was waiting to access the wallpaper, maybe it's a bug where it can't continue past that line?
[17:59] <riotz> wasnt that you with a notebook with like 8gb of ram and a cpu a raspi is more powerfull?
[17:59] <riotz> what the heck do you want with slidable wallpapers now
[18:00] <nacc> bunnyman13: somethign to look at upstream in gnome-shell, i'd say
[18:00] <riotz> real man dont ever get to see their wallpaper anyways
[18:00] <thinky> riotz: it is fun to see wallpapers changing periodically
[18:00] <bunnyman13> lol *raises hand* lol I'm running a bunch of CentOS servers at work
[18:00] <Younder> riotz, raspi comes with 1 Gb of RAM, not enouht to run Ubuntu. I wish it did
[18:01] <bunnyman13> thinky...you wan't nice looking stuff get electric sheep
[18:01] <riotz> Younder, i think that there is a ubuntu raspi version aswell
[18:01] <riotz> afaik
[18:01] <BionicMac> nacc: I ambuilding a Ubuntu Ausio WOrkstation. I started with a Lubuntu minimal core install and customizing from there one package at a time. I may very well need a realtime kernel depending on the X-runs,
[18:01] <bunnyman13> @nacc I'll dive in soon check it out
[18:01] <bunnyman13> maybe they didn't use a =/
[18:01] <BionicMac> nacc: If I could type that would help. Audio Workstation*
[18:01] <bunnyman13> "=/"
[18:01] <thinky> bunnyman13: lol
[18:01] <riotz> https://www.ubuntu.com/download/iot/raspberry-pi-2-3
[18:01] <riotz> https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/
[18:02] <impi> hello - sorry to bug you - but I keep getting ERROR 1698 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost'
[18:02] <nacc> BionicMac: sounds like a fun project, but not especially ontopic here
[18:02] <Younder> riotz, The coolest debian version is Hypricot. It's a docker swarm setup
[18:02] <nacc> impi: from mysql?
[18:02] <bunnyman13> @thinky I'm serious look it up it BAD *ss
[18:02] <impi> when I try to connect to my local mysql 5.7 on ubuntu 18.04
[18:02] <BionicMac> nacc: np, I justneeded to inquire about the realtime kernel package. thanks.
[18:02] <riotz> Younder, hmm sounds good..i'll take a look.. swarm is pretty next on my list of todos
[18:02] <brainwash> matyd: a tool like powertop (cli program) could maybe help to identify the culprit
[18:02] <impi> i followed this slack link, which I thought would work - but it doesn't https://stackoverflow.com/a/31751883
[18:02] <impi> what am I missing?
[18:02] <o0oscar> anyone ever encountered your bluetooth disappear all of the sudden
[18:03] <impi> nacc: yep
[18:03] <bunnyman13> @o0oscar might have to restart a service or update the drivers
[18:03] <riotz> impi, oh yeah.. i remember that error aswell now
[18:04] <o0oscar> what service could that be?
[18:04] <bunnyman13> @impi...i know it's permissions but i would 777 everything until you find it and put it back to normal.
[18:04] <riotz> try to login with password.. if not follow the guide on the mysql site to reset your root passwd
[18:04] <nacc> impi: i believe root access is denied by default
[18:04] <nacc> bunnyman13: no.
[18:04] <impi> oh that could be it
[18:04] <nacc> bunnyman13: that is terrible advice, do not ever giv eit
[18:04] <bunnyman13> @nacc :D
[18:04] <bunnyman13> 777
[18:04] <bunnyman13> 777 the world
[18:05] <riotz> impy https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.7/en/resetting-permissions.html
[18:05] <nacc> bunnyman13: i'm not joking. you are in the official ubuntu support channel and gave very bad advice.
[18:05] <TheSilentLink> what can I use to clean up the system so I can update to 18.04 don't have enough room
[18:05] <TheSilentLink> ?
[18:05] <nacc> impi: you might want to seek help in #ubuntu-server
[18:05] <bunnyman13> @nacc how old are you nacc,
[18:05] <SlidingHorn>  impi: do not follow the advice given by bunnyman13 - it is dangerous to over-privilege your system
[18:06] <nacc> bunnyman13: not ontopic.
[18:06] <Wirehunter> bunnyman13, It's animations/fractal things?
[18:06] <bunnyman13> @Wirehunter pretty cool stuff idk I liked it
[18:06] <nacc> TheSilentLink: it depends on what is taking up space
[18:07] <yokowka> there is no sound in ubuntu 18.04.... how to fix?
[18:07] <bunnyman13> @TheSilentLink install ncdu and cd / find out what's eating your space
[18:07] <TheSilentLink> the root partition is full
[18:07] <impi> SlidingHorn: hehe i know, i was just chuckleing at that
[18:08] <nacc> TheSilentLink: that is, on its own, not enough information
[18:09] <bunnyman13> @TheSilentLink yea, then you can hunt down what it is exactly, could be logs.
[18:10] <TheSilentLink> bunnyman13: won't that show everything not just what is in the root partition
[18:10] <bunnyman13> @TheSilentLink it will show you the directory you run the command in
[18:11] <bunnyman13> so if your in /home/bunnyman/Downloads and you run ncdu it will show you what's in downloads
[18:12] <bunnyman13> with the size specified and all that stuff
[18:12] <bunnyman13> and keep working through the directories
[18:13] <TheSilentLink> I see I have this folder called .dotnet taking up 500mb but I remember removing all of it
[18:13] <Younder> bunnyman13, This link has helpe
[18:13] <Younder> http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/sound/sound_troubleshooting.htm
[18:13] <bunnyman13> you might need to... rm -r the folder it self
[18:13] <TheSilentLink> oh isn't that wine?
[18:14] <TheSilentLink> I guess I will just backup my files and nuke the install
[18:14] <bunnyman13> 0_0 so i bet you if you go to your home folder...you'll have wineprefix eating a lot space to
[18:14] <bunnyman13> @TheSilentLink
[18:14] <Younder> That link has helped me many times in the past and I have used it on this channel with success.
[18:14] <bunnyman13> my Playonlinux install was eating 75 GB
[18:14] <TheSilentLink> but the root and home are two different partitions
[18:15] <bunnyman13> I know but something to check anyways
[18:15] <bunnyman13> just as like a side check
[18:15] <TheSilentLink> the upgrade only uses root so the home shouldn't affect it right?
[18:16] <bunnyman13> um...not sure honestly....but maybe @Nacc or someone else can answer that
[18:16] <yokowka>  there is no sound in ubuntu 18.04.... how to fix?
[18:16] <SlidingHorn> !patience > yokowka
[18:16] <nacc> TheSilentLink: what's your question?
[18:16] <bunnyman13> @yokowka, try to update your drivers or rewrite the 17.10 drivers
[18:17] <nacc> bunnyman13: stop giving terrible advice in this channel please. "rewriting" drivers is not a support suggestion.
[18:17] <Younder> root is a good thing to have if yo are a power user. If something goues wrong you need the root password to do anything anout it. so give one
[18:17] <bunnyman13> @nacc what are you talking ABOUT THAT'S THE POINT OF USING LINUX
[18:17] <bunnyman13> OPEN SOURCE!
[18:17] <nacc> Younder: ubuntu does not recommend giving a root password
[18:17] <TheSilentLink> nacc: just wondering what partition the upgrader uses. I don't have enough space and my / and home are two partitions
[18:17] <Younder> bunnyman13, Don't shout
[18:18] <Younder> nacc, I know
[18:18] <nacc> TheSilentLink: you are upgrading?
[18:18] <nacc> TheSilentLink: or reinstalling?
[18:18] <TheSilentLink> upgrading
[18:18] <yokowka> bunnyman13 good to see you! paste the link for update drivers tutorial.
[18:18] <nacc> TheSilentLink: the upgrader does not know about partitions, it just is looking at disk space available
[18:18] <bunnyman13>  "The developer community benefits from this as its members have the freedom to view and modify the source code" @nacc
[18:18] <TheSilentLink> nacc: how much disk space do you need?
[18:19] <nacc> bunnyman13: stop. you are trolling.
[18:19] <bunnyman13> straight from ubuntu's website
[18:19] <oerheks> wine issues are not ubuntu issues, bunnyman13, so join #wineq for support
[18:19] <oerheks> or #winehq
[18:19] <nacc> TheSilentLink: I'm not sure, tbh. do-release-upgrade I think tells you
[18:20] <jane_booty_doe> What would cause `screen -r <tab>` to not autocomplete?
[18:20] <TheSilentLink> I'm upgrading to kubuntu 18.04 but I believe it uses the same upgrader. I Have 2gb in the / partition and 5.2 free in the home partition and still can't perform the upgrade
[18:20] <bunnyman13> @nacc so what is github?
[18:21] <jane_booty_doe> Switched dedi providers and this 16.04 install doesn't do it for some reason
[18:21] <bunnyman13> @yokowka what sound card do you have or at least what computer?
[18:22] <nacc> bunnyman13: offtopic for this channel. please stay ontopic.
[18:22] <TheSilentLink> the upgrader is only using the / partition
[18:22] <nacc> TheSilentLink: I think you misunderstand sommething about how partitions are used
[18:22] <TheSilentLink> It says please free disk space on /
[18:22] <nacc> TheSilentLink: Ubuntu is just looking at free space in /
[18:23] <nacc> TheSilentLink: or possible in /var as well
[18:23] <nacc> TheSilentLink: your free space in /home doesn't help
[18:23] <nicomachus> TheSilentLink: are you sure it doesn't say /boot
[18:23] <TheSilentLink> nicomachus: it says /
[18:23] <bunnyman13> @nacc where is the supported suggestion rules?
[18:23] <nicomachus> !ot > bunnyman13
[18:23] <nicomachus> !coc > bunnyman13
[18:24] <Wirehunter> jane_booty_doe, using bash?
[18:24] <nacc> bunnyman13: i'm fairly sure you know this already, but are being intentionally troll-y. Please stop and respect the channel
[18:24] <nacc> jane_booty_doe: and you have bash-completion installed?
[18:24] <nacc> TheSilentLink: how much space does it say you need?
[18:25] <TheSilentLink> 3gb and I have only got 2
[18:25] <nicomachus> omg nacc thank you for that bash-completion package name.
[18:25] <nacc> TheSilentLink: ok, free some space?
[18:25] <nacc> nicomachus: :)
[18:25] <bunnyman13> but it's not off topic, i need to see what's a "supported suggestion"
[18:25] <TheSilentLink> I have removed everything I can lol I will just install from scratch
[18:26] <nacc> nicomachus: it only helps insofar as packages provide completion files, but it is obviously needed
[18:26] <nacc> TheSilentLink: as root `du -h --max-depth=1` from / ?
[18:26] <Younder> The new install is nice systemd in the driver seat as it should be. Gnome at the desktop
[18:26] <jane_booty_doe> nacc, that was it. never even knew that was a package! thanks
[18:26] <bunnyman13> @TheSilentLink I don't see it affect, anything besides the root partition, I would do a manual upgrade because looks like upgrading from dist-upgrade isn't working right now for some reason in the US
[18:27] <jane_booty_doe> had to install psmisc too. i guess this is just a super bare bones installation
[18:27] <yokowka> bunnyman13  i've dell inspiron 3537
[18:27] <nacc> jane_booty_doe: presumably, yeah
[18:27] <Younder> For newcomers to linux: https://www.tecmint.com/systemd-replaces-init-in-linux/
[18:28] <bunnyman13> @yokowka, is this your first ubuntu install on that machine?
[18:28] <nacc> bunnyman13: dist-upgrade is not a recommended way to do upgrades, but that *is* the manual upgrade way
[18:30] <yokowka> bunnyman13 - no, the system was update from 17.10
[18:32] <Younder> Younder, In a server environment you want to only ose LTS versions. I like to REPLACE the OS every 2 years.
[18:32] <nacc> Younder: ?
[18:33] <Younder> ose > use
[18:33] <nacc> Younder: you just said that to yourself
[18:33] <bunnyman13> @TheSilentLink The apparently if that only "manual" way doesn't work you have to change your sources
[18:33] <bunnyman13> If you've selected the traditional Debian path, you're going to need to change the /etc/apt/sources.list file and replace the name of your previous release with bionic
[18:33] <bunnyman13> If you currently have 17.10, replace artful with bionic.
[18:33] <bunnyman13> Then sudo apt update && sudo apt -y dist-upgrade
[18:33] <nacc> TheSilentLink: wait
[18:34] <leftyfb> bunnyman13: that is a BAD way to do things
[18:34] <CoJaBo> I'm thinking "hardware defect", but has anyone ever had an issue with the Ubuntu (bionic server 64-bit) CD ejecting at the start of the install? This is a first..
[18:34] <nacc> bunnyman13: there is a reason upgrades are not yet supported/enabled
[18:34] <leftyfb> bunnyman13: please stop giving bad avice
[18:34] <leftyfb> advice*
[18:34] <Younder> Seriously error in setup accumulate. Error in updates. It just becomes a pain to keep the systems running.
[18:34] <bunnyman13> @leftyfb that's what the Ubuntu website recommends in a community thread
[18:35] <hggdh> then it does so wrongly.
[18:35] <leftyfb> bunnyman13: that's what some person who doesn't know what they're doing recommended doing at some point in time. It is wrong.
[18:35] <Flannel> bunnyman13: No it doesn't.  If nothing else, it'd never recommend using -y.
[18:35] <pragmaticenigma> bunnyman13: The community thread should not be followed when there is estabilished official documentation
[18:35] <Younder> Admittingly I am not the best sysadmin in the world, but I think I convay a common experience.
[18:35] <nacc> Younder: I'm not sure who you are talking to
[18:36] <nacc> Younder: but your experience is, well, just that. There are many people who upgrade just fine.
[18:36] <TheSilentLink> upgrades have been enabled for kubuntu so they must work
[18:37] <TheSilentLink> they aren't automatically enabled
[18:37] <Younder> nacc, true. I have very custom setups. The more you add, the more trouble.
[18:37] <bunnyman13> I really can't with you guys...you guys are truly pains. anyway there are thousands of other articles which suggest doing the same thing, but yes stick to your "hopes" and "voices"
[18:37] <nacc> TheSilentLink: 17.10 upgrades got enabled in the last day or two
[18:38] <nacc> bunnyman13: stop. you are not being helpful to anyone.
[18:38] <Younder> bunnyman13, Linux is complex and confusing even to experts. What did you expect?
[18:38] <nacc> Younder: right, so that's not ubuntu -- yes, if you customize (add third party repos, especially, or non-ubuntu software), i reocmmend using a provisioning tool :)
[18:39] <Younder> nacc, I use salt
[18:39] <nacc> Younder: yeah, so then you don't need to worry about upgrades :)
[18:39] <pragmaticenigma> bunnyman13: this is the official, and only supported method for Upgrading Ubuntu via GUI: https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-upgrading-ubuntu-desktop#0
[18:40] <pragmaticenigma> bunnyman13: and this is the official way of upgrading via terminal https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/installing-upgrading.html
[18:40] <nacc> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_17.10
[18:40] <nacc> which is perhaps most relevant for 18.04 as serverguide has not been updated yet
[18:40] <bunnyman13> @pragmaticenigma okay
[18:40] <sergio__> Hola soy nuevo usuario de ubuntu MATE alguien podria asesorarme en unas consulta?
[18:40] <Younder> nacc, Maintaing servers you worry pretty much all the time. But most of the time the problems sre provides or my own.
[18:40] <nacc> !es | sergio__
[18:41] <nacc> Younder: yeah
[18:41] <genii> bunnyman13: dist-upgrade does not work in Ubuntu the same way as it does in Debian to move to a newer distribution. the do-release-upgrade script instead should be used, if you're doing it by cli. This will check for potential issues - like PPAs with conflicting libraries to those in the standard repositories, for instance
[18:41] <CoJaBo> Trying to boot into the recovery option also ejects the CD the moment that option is selected
[18:41] <yokowka> bunnyman13 help
[18:41] <nacc> CoJaBo: i've personally never encountered that, no.
[18:42] <nacc> CoJaBo: anything in dmesg? maybe it's getting a weird error
[18:42] <nacc> CoJaBo: although you may not be able to get to a shell if it's ejected the cd
[18:42] <bunnyman13> @yokowka, I'm looking...I'm not finding any drivers need to get more info
[18:42] <nacc> yokowka: what's your issue, no sound?
[18:42] <bunnyman13> i'm scared to suggest anything due to "bad advice" but I'm looking @yokowka
[18:43] <CoJaBo> nacc: Yeh, it won't load the recovery shell either, because it ejects before getting there too
[18:43] <bunnyman13> @CoJaBo what happened?
[18:43] <CoJaBo> In both cases, it just seems to hang; he can hit Alt+Fx, but it just shows a blinking cursor
[18:44] <CoJaBo> bunnyman13: CD drive has premature ejection issues.
[18:44] <nacc> CoJaBo: weird
[18:44] <yokowka> nacc i can't listen to music, see movies only video plays....
[18:44] <nacc> CoJaBo: peculiar hardware
[18:44] <CoJaBo> I'm thinking it's probably a hardware issue :/
[18:44] <nacc> yokowka: is pulseaudio running (ps aux | grep pulse)
[18:44] <bunnyman13> really weird....sounds like hardware issue
[18:44] <nacc> CoJaBo: that was meant to be a question, sorry :)
[18:44] <CoJaBo> It's one of those slim trayless drives. This is on a rackmount server
[18:45] <yokowka> nacc ps aux.... wrights in terminal?
[18:45] <nacc> yokowka: yes, at a shell prompt
[18:45] <nacc> CoJaBo: ah
[18:45] <nacc> CoJaBo: any reason you are using CD instead of, say, USB?
[18:46] <CoJaBo> nacc: USB ports on the machine seem to be completely dead; he had to actually go out and buy a PS/2 keyboard to even get it to do anything
[18:46] <yokowka> here it is: root      1230  0.0  0.0   4504   692 ?        Ss   21:05   0:00 /bin/sh /snap/pulseaudio/9/bin/pulseaudio
[18:46] <yokowka> root      1453  0.0  0.2 388568  9100 ?        S<l  21:05   0:00 /snap/pulseaudio/9/usr/bin/pulseaudio --exit-idle-time=-1 --disallow-exit=yes --system -F /snap/pulseaudio/9/etc/pulse/default.pa -p /snap/pulseaudio/9/usr/lib/pulse-8.0/modules -n
[18:46] <nacc> CoJaBo: sounds like rather buggy hardware
[18:47] <leftyfb> Is pulse really installed as a snap by default in 18.04?
[18:47] <nacc> leftyfb: no.
[18:47] <bunnyman13> @CoJaBo....this is gunna be a terrible suggestion but...install ubuntu on the disk from another computer...Wait is this on a Server?
[18:47] <leftyfb> heh
[18:47] <nacc> yokowka: is this an ubuntu core installation
[18:47] <leftyfb> self-inflicted then
[18:47] <Younder> nacc, I believe people shod learn sysctl and stop depending on service. That is the biggest issue. But service sort of works
[18:47] <leftyfb> ah, even worse
[18:47] <nacc> leftyfb: i've got a fresh 18.04 install in front of me
[18:47] <spikebike> In 18.04 thunderbird, images show up in the index view, overlapping other messages even, anyone know what that feature is called?
[18:47] <CoJaBo> bunnyman13: 1U rackmount with a funky CD drive; it only fits a slim one.
[18:47] <spikebike> snakes, flags, stars, etc.
[18:48] <yokowka> nacc core installation? what is that?
[18:48] <nacc> yokowka: you are running a snap of pulseaudio, did you install it by hand?
[18:48] <bunnyman13> @CojaBo, damn...i'm sorry...
[18:48] <Younder> nacc: cron sort of works.
[18:48] <CoJaBo> I'm thinking best way is going to be to just pull the server and plug in a full-size drive just for the install. Cant even replace the slim, because they don't have any spares that size
[18:48] <nacc> yokowka: ubuntu core (meant for IoT etc)
[18:48] <CoJaBo> Stupid.
[18:48] <nacc> Younder: systemctl you mean? not sure that is a big issue, but you can fight your windmills as you see fit :)
[18:49] <nacc> CoJaBo: frustrating, but you might be right
[18:49] <yokowka> nacc maybe
[18:49] <bunnyman13> @CoJaBo that's scary and unstable but if thats the only way that's what i would do.
[18:49] <nacc> yokowka: what do you mean maybe? you don't know what's installed?
[18:49] <Younder> nacc, Will do: Thanks cevantes
[18:49] <nacc> Younder: :)
[18:49] <yokowka> nacc - yes, i'm a newer in ubuntu
[18:49] <bunnyman13> if not....open the server and use the SATA ports for install HD idk throwing stuff out there
[18:49] <nacc> yokowka: how did you install this machine?
[18:50] <ioria> Younder, cervantes
[18:50] <Younder> rotfl
[18:50] <yokowka> nacc i have ubuntu 17.10 then update to 18.04
[18:50] <CoJaBo> bunnyman13: It's a dual-Xeon CPU and mobo, not something easily just replaced rofl
[18:51] <nacc> yokowka: hrm, then you wouldn't have been on a core image
[18:51] <nacc> yokowka: not sure ubuntu core 18 is out yet anyways
[18:51] <bunnyman13> @CoJaBo damn...yea that's rough
[18:51] <nacc> yokowka: ok, so let's just do the easy thing ... are you running the stock ubuntu desktop?
[18:52] <yokowka> stock? i work with desktop of highely named ubuntu version
[18:52] <nacc> yokowka: `sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop -s` what does it say it will do?
[18:52] <nacc> yokowka: 'highly named'? what do you mean
[18:52] <yokowka> nacc nevermind
[18:53] <ioria> i think 'popular'
[18:53] <TheSilentLink> When installing kubuntu along side windows do I have to mount the efi partition?
[18:53] <bunnyman13> @CoJaBo it might be the USB could be locked
[18:53] <yokowka> nacc Inst ubuntu-desktop [1.417] (1.417 Ubuntu:18.04/bionic [amd64])
[18:53] <yokowka> Conf ubuntu-desktop (1.417 Ubuntu:18.04/bionic [amd64])
[18:53] <bunnyman13> in the UEFI or BIOS settings
[18:53] <bunnyman13> I've seen it like once
[18:54] <bunnyman13> *USB's
[18:54] <TheSilentLink> Here is my current screen  https://i.imgur.com/jx2jbKr.jpg
[18:55] <BFGDivsion> Can someone help me with this?
[18:55] <BFGDivsion> My internet speed is awfully slow under Ubuntu
[18:55] <BFGDivsion> I'm under a wireless connection, with a Qualcomm Atheros Wifi adapter
[18:55] <CoJaBo> bunnyman13: Not sure if we checked that; he pulled the server to do the install, so probably won't be back til thats done
[18:55] <nacc> yokowka: can you pastebin the whole output?
[18:56] <iopq> how do I install proprietary AMD gpu drivers without messing everything up?
[18:56] <nacc> TheSilentLink: no, you never need to mount the efi partitionmanually
[18:56] <iopq> I'm 16.04
[18:56] <bunnyman13> @CoJaBo what i would do, is this for a client?
[18:56] <TheSilentLink> nacc: do I select the efi partition to install the boot loader on?
[18:57] <nacc> TheSilentLink: i've never had to do that myself
[18:57] <CoJaBo> bunnyman13: I'm not sure whose server it is; could be ours, could be client's
[18:57] <nacc> TheSilentLink: as in, ubuntu does the right thing, in my experience
[18:58] <banyantree> Hi guys - i need your help. My i3 config is not working after upgrading to 18.04 =( no keybindings are working anymore
[18:58] <CoJaBo> nacc: bunnyman13: ..ha, so he pulled it to plug in a fullsize drive on the bench.. the front USB wasn't even plugged in.
[18:58] <TheSilentLink> nacc: right so I create my / home and swap partition and set the boot loader location to the name of the drive not any partition right?
[18:58] <banyantree> can i do something like dpkg-reconfigure i3?
[18:59] <brainwash> iopq: the not supported fglrx? for that you have to use ubuntu 14.04.1
[18:59] <CoJaBo> If the rears are dead, the front is probably also dead nevertheless.. but wow.
[18:59] <banyantree> on upgrade i had chosen use my own configuration
[18:59] <yokowka> nacc reading sourcelist make  the tree of configuration reading system information.... ready  new 0 sources, onstalled 0, reinstalled 1, to delite 0, and 0 was updated. it's all on russian sorry for wrong translation.
[18:59] <bunnyman13> @CoJaBo....with the condition it's in...I wouldn't do anything production on that
[19:00] <CoJaBo> bunnyman13: It was running flawlessly until someone botched an OS upgrade
[19:01] <Jatto> Hello! I've just downloaded and installed Ubuntu 18.04 live server. But why is it called "live" ?  Are there any other versions for server?
[19:01] <CoJaBo> And it's not like this ones in any worse condition than half the rest.. I walked into the other site one day last year, there was literally a rack wired to net with nothing but daisy-chained 4-port soho switches.
[19:02] <Younder> Jatto, You could always turn you srver off. In which cas it woulde se 'dead'.. so no
[19:02] <bunnyman13> @CoJaBo you need to get outta there quick lol
[19:02] <CoJaBo> Install apparently started fine with the full-size drive so yeh, it was a hardware issue.
[19:03] <bunnyman13> @CoJaBo, I'm glad...hope you have a kick ass day
[19:03] <ioria> Jatto, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1028580/what-is-the-difference-between-ubuntu-18-04-server-and-ubuntu-18-04-live-server
[19:03] <Jatto> no seriously, what does the live stand for? The installation process was so unfamiliar compared to 16.04 LTS
[19:04] <nacc> yokowka: you can pastebin it and i can translate it
[19:04] <nacc> Jatto: live is the new installer (work in progress) -- #ubuntu-server
[19:04] <nacc> Jatto: it's a misnomer that it's called live, afaict, although you ca do the 'try ubuntu' thing on server with it
[19:05] <nacc> yokowka: apt-cache policy pulseaudio?
[19:06] <yokowka> nacc https://imgur.com/a/1SX68pV
[19:06] <Jatto> nacc: ok thanks ;)
[19:06] <yokowka> nacc apt-ca... wrights in terminal?
[19:07] <nacc> yokowka: yeah
[19:07] <nacc> yokowka: thanks for the screencapture
[19:07] <nacc> yokowka: yeah so i'd like to see the policy output
[19:09] <yokowka> nacc pulseaudio:
[19:09] <yokowka>   Установлен: (отсутствует) that is mean is missed
[19:09] <nacc> yokowka: my thinking is *something* i don't know what, installed pulseaudio as a snap. Possibly you did this in 17.10 (snaps are outside the distribution and the upgrades).
[19:09] <nacc> yokowka: what about `apt-cache policy ubuntu-desktop`
[19:10] <CoJaBo> bunnyman13: He's gonna pull the internal drive and mount the server back with a SATA cable hanging out the front. Yeahthat'llfixit.gif
[19:10] <nacc> yokowka: ubuntu-desktop depends (hard requires) pulseaudio. So if it's not installed, then you probably don't have the metapackage installed
[19:11] <nacc> yokowka: i wonder if simulated runs don't go through dependencies, but they should
[19:11] <yokowka> nacc how to make right?
[19:12] <yokowka> ubuntu-desktop:  Установлен: 1.417  Кандидат:   1.417  Таблица версий: *** 1.417 500 500 http://ubuntu.mirror.vu.lt/ubuntu bionic/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[19:13] <Orange_> Hi all, does anybody know of a PPA containing Python 3.6 for Ubuntu Precise?
[19:13] <nacc> Orange_: precise is eol
[19:14] <Orange_> @nacc Yeah, I know, but it's on a development board and updating cold be more hastle than it's worth
[19:14] <Orange_> *could
[19:14] <nacc> Orange_: meaning it's unsupported here
[19:14] <nacc> Orange_: and ppas are also unsupported
[19:15] <Orange_> Is there an unofficial channel where I can ask?
[19:15] <leftyfb> Orange_: https://www.ubuntu.com/support/plans-and-pricing
[19:15] <leftyfb> Orange_: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/03/14/introducing-ubuntu-12-04-esm-extended-security-maintenance
[19:15] <nacc> yokowka: ok, very strange. Can you do `sudo snap remove pulseaudio; sudo apt-get install pulseaudio` and then reboot
[19:15] <yokowka> nacc yes
[19:16] <nacc> yokowka: i'm not sure how your system is in the state it is in, tbh. i wonder if it's possible for snaps to provide metasymbols to apt, but i'm not sure if that's true outside of the seeds
[19:17] <nacc> yokowka: if what i suggested works, you should see /usr/bin/pulseaudio instead of the snap path
[19:17] <nacc> yokowka: when you run `ps aux | grep pulse` after reboot
[19:17] <yokowka> nacc bless you angels
[19:20] <ioria> nacc, he got a snap pulseaudio installed ?
[19:21] <rdias002> i'm facing this very irritating issue: while typing, my palm touches the touchpad and mouse clicks somewhere. how do i resolve this? i have enabled disable while typing in tweaks but doesn't seem to work.
[19:22] <guardian> hello, how can I always enable numlock?
[19:23] <phoenix_firebrd> where can I get help for flatpak related issues?
[19:23] <SlidingHorn> guardian: which version & flavor of ubuntu?
[19:23] <guardian> 18.04
[19:23] <guardian> sorry
[19:24] <guardian> desktop
[19:24] <guardian> gnome
[19:24] <Wirehunter> phoenix_firebrd, there is a #flatpak channel
[19:25] <yokowka> nacc i'm your owner!!!! now it's all works!!!!
[19:26] <SlidingHorn> guardian: I believe you can accomplish this using gnome-tweaks   (sudo apt install gnome-tweaks) under the layout tab
[19:26] <yokowka> nacc in source lists double lines etc/.... in number 53 and 54 how to delete them?
[19:26] <Peyam> hi I got following wireless module : iwlwifi what is the proper conky command?
[19:27] <SlidingHorn> Peyam: you might have better luck asking in #conky (not saying someone here won't know the answer, but it's not *technically* on topic)
[19:27] <nicomachus> Peyam: what?
[19:28] <SlidingHorn> (assuming you're trying to have conky display your network activity or something like that)
[19:28] <guardian> thanks
[19:31] <nacc> ioria: yeah and i'm not sure how yet
[19:31] <nacc> yokowka: nice, glad it worked :)
[19:32] <analogical> what is the name of the root folder in Ubuntu the equivalent of the Windows c:\ folder ??
[19:32] <ioria> nacc, yep, i was asking you if you know some about pre-installed snaps on bionic ...
[19:32] <nacc> ioria: checking on it now
[19:32] <Peyam> nicomachus, as SlidingHorn
[19:32] <Peyam> sad
[19:32] <Peyam> id
[19:32] <yokowka> nacc skype when i'm log in - disapeared :(((
[19:33] <nacc> yokowka: dunno what you mean
[19:33] <nacc> yokowka: oh i wonder if the skype snap depends on the pulseaudio snap now
[19:33] <SlidingHorn> analogical: /
[19:33] <thinky> bye
[19:33] <nacc> yokowka: as to your earlier question, open the file in an editor and delete the duplicates?
[19:33] <leftyfb> nacc: i'm pretty sure skype has that annoying "feature" that when it opens it immediately closes to the taskbar/notification area
[19:34] <nacc> analogical: ... in most installs it's /, but it depends, tbh
[19:34] <yokowka> nacc yes delite duplicates in source list line 53  54
[19:34] <eaglgenes101> I have a suspicion that the acceleration curve of the touchpad is causing jumpiness
[19:34] <nacc> analogical: it's better to just learn how Linux is laid out then to find analogues
[19:34] <eaglgenes101> How do I control the acceleration profile of my touchpad
[19:34] <nacc> !fhs > analogical
[19:34] <nacc> yokowka: is it what leftyfb said re: skype?
[19:35] <Draconiator> Oh hey Analog, I did that too at first.
[19:35] <leftyfb> nacc: yokowka: I'm not sure what that looks like with 18.04. I haven't had the time to go through it yet
[19:35] <eaglgenes101> um
[19:36] <nacc> leftyfb: me neither :/
[19:36] <Draconiator> I'm installing Xubeaver on my netbook now.  was waiting for something that doesn't mess up the graphics like 17.10 did
[19:36] <yokowka> nacc i dont see what you mean. i've installed program in terminal and in botom of iterminal troubles with duplicates.
[19:36] <nacc> yokowka: i don't understand what you are saying, sorry
[19:36] <yokowka> nacc skype not log in when i'm pass it. it is off then
[19:37] <nacc> yokowka: if you can use a pastebin, please do, to show exactly what you mean
[19:37] <phoenix_firebrd> Wirehunter: thanks
[19:37] <nacc> ioria: only 4 snaps are instaleld by default on ubuntu desktop: gnome-calculator, -characters, -logs, and -system-monitor
[19:37] <nacc> ioria: just an fyi
[19:38] <ioria> nacc, yeah, thanx
[19:38] <eaglgenes101> My current suspicion is that moving the pointer at a slow-moderate speed crosses the threshold between the constant-speed range and the acceleration range
[19:38] <eaglgenes101> *straddles the threshold
[19:38] <yokowka> so later. not today. one more time - be blessed by the angels and heaves. how we saying in TePAhowkA - everybody human - not. That mean you have soul!
[19:39] <yokowka> *heavens
[19:41] <guardian> I did a minimal installation of 18.04 and there's no python pre installed. What's the default python in a full install? python2 or python3?
[19:41] <eaglgenes101> python3
[19:42] <eaglgenes101> python2 can also be installed, but it's nearing end of life and the python folks strongly recommend moving everything to python 3
[19:42] <guardian> I installed etckeeper which brought python2
[19:42] <guardian> I also have python3
[19:43] <guardian> should I make "python" launch python3? is it via update-alternatives?
[19:44] <Younder> guardian, never make python python3. I did that one and half of ubuntu stopped working
[19:44] <Younder> once
[19:44] <guardian> ok so to the question "What's the default python in a full install?" the answer should have been python3?
[19:44] <Younder> It seems the interface uses PATH to find python.
[19:44] <bluj> 16.04.4 LTS- how can i change the kernel that grub boots? all 3 kernels are installed via normal package management. if i look at the grub list, the kernel i want to boot is within "Advanced boot options" sub menu. so i tried setting "GRUB_DEFAULT=1>2" as the sub menu is second in the main list, and the kernel i want is 3rd within the sub menu. then i "update-grub"... and reboot and it doesn't
[19:44] <bluj> work.
[19:45] <eaglgenes101> How do I find the DPI of an input device?
[19:45] <Younder> eaglgenes101, lsusb
[19:45] <EriC^> bluj: try using the actual names instead
[19:46] <EriC^> bluj: pastebin "grep menuentry /boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[19:46] <bluj> EriC^: they're really long with spaces and mixed characters. it seems less specific to try and use that
[19:46] <EriC^> bluj: it's better
[19:46] <Bashing-om> guardian: In order to use some old scripts, I had to install ' python ' ( awaiting the author to update the scripts ) .
[19:46] <eaglgenes101> Okay, now it lists a bunch of devices, none of which is the touchpad in question
[19:46] <EriC^> and it's more specific too, numbers change, the naming wont
[19:47] <EriC^> plus easier than counting :)
[19:47] <matyd> I am running ubuntu 18.04 LTS, switched from 16.04LTS last week or so. Laptop is inspiron 15-3567, after the upgrade my battery discharges much quicker than before.. what can I begin to look into to see if there are programs causing this etc?
[19:47] <iopq> What's the best way to install AMD proprietary drivers without messing everything up on 16.04?
[19:47] <matyd> Example, I just unplugged at 100% and am already down to 96% within 5 minutes or so
[19:48] <bluj> EriC^: just copy/paste exactly what is required in the 'menuetry' string from grub.cfg, and stick that in quotes in GRUB_DEFAULT ?
[19:48] <EriC^> not all of the line
[19:48] <brainwash> matyd: did you check with powertop?
[19:48] <eaglgenes101> Younder, touchpad device isn't listed in lsusb
[19:48] <EriC^> just 'Advanced menu.. > Ubuntu with kernel blabla'
[19:48] <matyd> no i didn't is that a program?
[19:48] <brainwash> matyd: yes, it's a cli program
[19:49] <Younder> eaglgenes101, lshw?
[19:49] <bluj> EriC^: well there is for e.g.: "Ubuntu, with Linux 4.4.0-1035-aws" and "Ubuntu, with Linux 4.4.0-1035-aws (recovery mode)" how does it match? is it exactly? if not, it could choose either kernel
[19:49] <Bashing-om> iopq: The only AMD propietary is a overlay for AMD-pro driver .. and only IF your card supports that driver . AMD drivers are now open source and included in the kernel .
[19:49] <brainwash> matyd: install it, and then run it as root
[19:49] <matyd> installing now
[19:49] <matyd> ok
[19:49] <Peyam> I got 8 cores. 4 virtual and 4 physical. how do I see each cores load including the virtual ones in conky?
[19:49] <EriC^> bluj: dont put the (recovery mode) in grub, it's quite literal in what you give it
[19:49] <iopq> Bashing-om so it probably won't solve any issues?
[19:50] <Younder> Peyam, htop
[19:50] <SlidingHorn> Peyam: Seeing as your questions are about some of the basics of Conky, I really suggest asking in #conky instead for more focused support
[19:50] <bluj> EriC^: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qSQbB8CZmV/
[19:50] <Younder> Peyam, sudo apt installl htop
[19:50] <bluj> the recovery mode string is just what the regular package management decided to name that grub boot option
[19:50] <SlidingHorn> Younder: htop has nothing to do with conky
[19:51] <Younder> with one less l
[19:51] <Bashing-om> iopq: Solves so many many mnay issues - for new generation cards . Not much help for older cards .. then the only driver is the much improved open source radeon driver .
[19:51] <Younder> No It has to do with the perfromance of each core. also the logical cores 'hyperthreaded' which i thought you ment
[19:51] <matyd> brainwash: is there anyway I can pastebin that image and have others look at it? i would be lying if i said i knew exactly what was going on in there
[19:52] <EriC^> bluj: ok, so you want GRUB_DEFAULT='Advanced options for Ubuntu>Ubuntu, with Linux 4.4.0-1035-aws'
[19:52] <nusse> i'm having trouble recovering an ecryptfs homedir after changig the users password with passwd. neither old nor new password seem to work with ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase
[19:52] <EriC^> nusse: the older one should
[19:52] <iopq> Bashing-om so I have a 5850 and my issue is with using igpu at the same time as the AMD card on a different monitor
[19:52] <SlidingHorn> Younder: (wasn't trying to sound rude...I just realized my response was a bit rash)
[19:52] <EriC^> nusse: try to use passwd to change your password back
[19:52] <EriC^> and see if it decrypts fine
[19:53] <iopq> Bashing-om, could installing the proprietary driver help with that issue?
[19:53] <bluj> EriC^: turns out the submenu designation needs to be quoted? it ships with GRUB_DEFAULT=0, i tried GRUB_DEFAULT=1>2 but it wants "1>2"
[19:53] <nusse> EriC^: did that already
[19:53] <bluj> works.
[19:54] <EriC^> bluj: great
[19:54] <EriC^> *slowclap*
[19:54] <Bashing-om> iopq: pastebin: lspci -k|grep -iEA5 'vga|3d' to get the ID that I can cross to what the driver should be .
[19:54] <Younder> SlidingHorn, rash is fine, I was off target
[19:55] <nusse> does the timestamp of wrapped-passphrase indicate the time the passphrase was changed the last time?
[19:55] <EriC^> nusse: do you have the passphrase? the long one
[19:55] <rdias002> i'm facing this very irritating issue: while typing, my palm touches the touchpad and mouse clicks somewhere. how do i resolve this? i have enabled disable while typing in tweaks but doesn't seem to work.
[19:55] <bunnyman13> back from lunch
[19:55] <brainwash> matyd: maybe "sudo powertop --dump" will create an output that is pastebin-able. other than that, create a screenshot and upload it to imgur.com
[19:55] <iopq> whoops, I misremembered, it says VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Juniper PRO [Radeon HD 5750]
[19:56] <iopq> how can I check which version of the driver I'm using now
[19:57] <nusse> EriC^: no, i only have the loginpassword
[19:57] <EriC^> iopq: sudo lshw -c video
[19:57] <eaglgenes101> You know what, is it possible to determine which acceleration profile is being used by an input device in libinput?
[19:58] <nusse> i'm getting two errors: incorrect wrapping key for file [/home/user/.ecryptfs/wrapped-passphrase] and error attempting to unwrap passphrase from file
[19:58] <iopq> configuration: driver=radeon
[19:58] <iopq> does that mean open source version?
[19:58] <EriC^> yes
[19:59] <EriC^> nusse: try sudo ecryptfs-recover-private
[19:59] <SlidingHorn> dumb question: is it a bug that  sudo apt install steam  recommends packages that are not available in the repos?
[19:59] <nacc> SlidingHorn: is the steam you want from the ubuntu repos?
[19:59] <SlidingHorn> nacc:
[19:59] <SlidingHorn> yes*
[19:59] <nacc> SlidingHorn: what version of ubuntu?
[19:59] <iopq> OK, so what's the recommended way to install the proprietary driver to test?
[19:59] <EriC^> iopq: sudo ubuntu-drivers device should list your options
[20:00] <matyd> brainwash, thank you.. crap have to run and get the kids. thanks again
[20:00] <SlidingHorn> 18.04 (Studio)
[20:00] <brainwash> eaglgenes101: try with "xinput --list-props <device id>". you can get the id from "xinput list".
[20:00] <EriC^> "sudo ubuntu-drivers devices" iopq
[20:00] <iopq> it outputs nothing
[20:00] <nacc> SlidingHorn: which is not present?
[20:00] <brainwash> iopq: because there are no other drivers for that gpu
[20:01] <SlidingHorn> nacc: steam-devices:i386 and nvidia-driver-libs-i386:i386
[20:01] <nusse> EriC^: unwrapping passphrase and inserting into the user session keyring failed [-5]
[20:01] <nacc> SlidingHorn: steam-devices is a suggests
[20:01] <nacc> SlidingHorn: which isn't necessary
[20:01] <nacc> SlidingHorn: and yeah, i'm not sure on the recommends of the nvidia -- as obviously you don't need that if you don't have nvidia. It probably comes from a ppa
[20:02] <EriC^> iopq: which ubuntu version is it?
[20:02] <iopq> EriC^, 16.04
[20:02] <SlidingHorn> nacc: I'm using the proprietary nvidia drivers for my 1060...hate adding ppas, but if it looks like I'll need to, then I will
[20:02] <EriC^> iopq: what does 'apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu' give for installed?
[20:03] <iopq> Installed: 1.1.2-0ubuntu0.16.04.1
[20:03] <EriC^> nusse: try to remember your login pass that you had
[20:03] <EriC^> that's your best shot
[20:03] <nusse> the timestamp of wrapped-passphrase file is 2015, does it mean it is wrapped with a password set at that time?
[20:03] <EriC^> nusse: you could attempt to bruteforce it if it wasn't that long
[20:04] <EriC^> nusse: is that the modify time in "stat .../wrapped-passphrase" ?
[20:04] <nusse> EriC^: yes
[20:04] <iopq> how about we try to approach the problem from the other end... how do I update my intel onboard graphic drivers
[20:05] <EriC^> nusse: i guess so yeah
[20:05] <nusse> is it possible that some keyring-thing is interfering?
[20:05] <nusse> i get an error after login from tty
[20:06] <EriC^> nusse: try ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase ...../wrapped-passphrase
[20:06] <nusse> reports an error
[20:06] <EriC^> what error
[20:06] <EriC^> do you get to type the login pass?
[20:07] <nusse> yes
[20:07] <nusse> incorrect wrapping key for file
[20:08] <EriC^> nusse: i think that means the login is wrong
[20:08] <EriC^> are you absolutely sure it's the password you were using to login before running passwd?
[20:09] <nusse> EriC^: it's not my laptop, so no
[20:09] <EriC^> contact the person then
[20:09] <EriC^> odds are the password he gave you is wrong
[20:10] <nusse> we tried to change the password by gui, but the gui complained about the new password being to weak. so we tried something like Password1! before using passwd.
[20:10] <EriC^> as root?
[20:10] <nusse> this is why i'm asking if the timestamp of the wrapped-passphrase-file indicates the last time it was changed...
[20:10] <nusse> yes, as root, passwd user
[20:11] <EriC^> the password you used to login at first should be it
[20:11] <EriC^> to get to the gui
[20:11] <nusse> wrapped-passphrase timestamp is 2015. installation was 2011
[20:12] <nusse> password-change in 2015 is likely
[20:12] <TheSov> How do you add a dependancy to LIO?
[20:13] <EriC^> nusse: did you login to the user's de today?
[20:13] <EriC^> before passwd
[20:17] <iopq> Jeez, I've found threads from 2013 with a similar issue https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2154501
[20:17] <TheSov> I have an issue with ceph rbd's loading after LIO initializes, since the rbd's are the actual disks LIO needs to use, it erases them, is there any way to change the LIO startup to be after RBD's or add ceph rbd's are a requirement for startup?
[20:18] <gadget593> Anyone else unable to connect to mirror.lstn.net on update?
[20:19] <nusse> EriC^: sorry?
[20:19] <netochka> hey guys. i've upgraded to ubuntu 18.04 . i want to change a shortcut on keyboard but i can't. unlike previous version it doesn't let me change the whole combination of the shortcut
[20:20] <SlidingHorn> netochka: can you provide more detail?  What is the shortcut, what do you want it to do, how are you trying to assign it, and what happens when you try?
[20:22] <oerheks> gadget593, seems like more a question for their helpdesk?
[20:23] <netochka> SlidingHorn, yep. I want to change the shortcut to either "switch to next input source" or "switch to previous input source", in order to switch between 2 languages on my ubuntu. now when i click on the shortcut in the settings, it is set on super+space and shift+super+space by default. when i click on them to change them, ubuntu gives me super + .... option. meaning that i can't set a shortcut that doesnt include super key
[20:24] <EriC^> nusse: were you able to login to the gui today? it's not rocket science, if the gui was working fine then the login pass was able to unwrap the passphrase
[20:24] <Peyam> Younder, np. #conky i dead
[20:24] <netochka> i've been used to alt+ left shift  shortcut for so many years, this is getting on my nerve
[20:24] <Peyam> I solved it anyway. thanks
[20:24] <netochka> hi EriC^   ^^
[20:25] <nusse> EriC^: gui does not work because it is not able to unwrap
[20:25] <nusse> EriC^: brings me back to login screen after some seconds
[20:25] <EriC^> hello netochka :D
[20:26] <EriC^> nusse: when was the last time it did work?
[20:27] <nusse> EriC^: before changing the password with passwd
[20:28] <EriC^> nusse: ok, there should be a backup shadow file maybe
[20:29] <EriC^> nusse: hash your password and see if they match
[20:29] <nusse> checked that already. there is no backup because we changed it back
[20:29] <EriC^> nusse: /etc/shadow- ?
[20:29] <nusse> this contains the 'new' password i guess
[20:29] <EriC^> check it
[20:30] <mdlpe> hi, what's the best way to make dual boot win10/ubuntu with one system by hdd. efi or legacy for Ubuntu ?
[20:31] <EriC^> mdlpe: efi is newer
[20:31] <EriC^> and better, and slightly more annoying depending on the manufacturer
[20:31] <netochka> I want to change the shortcut to either "switch to next input source" or "switch to previous input source", in order to switch between 2 languages on my ubuntu. now when i click on the shortcut in the settings, it is set on super+space and shift+super+space by default. when i click on them to change them, ubuntu gives me super + space option and no matter what i press on the keyboard, it doesn change
[20:31] <netochka> on Ubuntu 18.04 *
[20:32] <Peyam> is there any html editor with designer for linux?
[20:32] <SlidingHorn> Peyam: what do you mean by designer?  A WYSIWYG editor?
[20:32] <Peyam> SlidingHorn, more like Dreamwever where you could make a website without looking at the code
[20:33] <SlidingHorn> Peyam: (that's what WYSIWYG is - what you see is what you get) which flavor and version of ubuntu are you using?
[20:33] <Peyam> 16.04
[20:33] <bencc> how can I remove preinstalled vbox guest additions from 18.04?
[20:34] <EriC^> bencc: on your current install or you mean like a custom iso?
[20:35] <bencc> EriC^: ubuntu 18.04 guest I just installed
[20:35] <bencc> EriC^: from the official iso
[20:35] <bencc> it comes with vbox guest additions preinstalled and I want to remove it
[20:35] <EriC^> bencc: type 'dpkg -l | grep vbox | nc termbin.com 9999'
[20:35] <EriC^> paste what it gives you here
[20:36] <bencc> what nc termbin?
[20:36] <bencc> 'dpkg -l | grep vbox' gives me nothing
[20:37] <bencc> 'lsmod | grep vboxguest' gives me:
[20:37] <bencc> vboxguest 303104 0
[20:37] <EriC^> !find vboxguest
[20:38] <EriC^> bencc: type 'locate vboxguest.ko'
[20:38] <bencc> I can't find anything with virtualbox or vboxguest in dpkg -l
[20:39] <bencc> /lib/modules/4.15.0-20-generic/kernel/ubuntu/vbox/vboxguest/vboxguest.ko
[20:39] <EriC^> bencc: seems it's part of the kernel package
[20:40] <Peyam> SlidingHorn, I found BlueGriffen
[20:40] <bencc> EriC^: no way to replace it with vbox guest additions from oracle cd?
[20:40] <EriC^> bencc: maybe if you install the stuff it'll use those instead?
[20:41] <EriC^> no idea
[20:41] <SlidingHorn> Peyam: I think LibreOffice has one (just open a new HTML file) - other than that, I don't know of any that are in the repos.  There a couple of other options out there, but aren't officially supported: SeaMonkey has one, and Amaya are a couple that I believe have WYSIWYG editors
[20:42] <Peyam> SlidingHorn, Googgle webdesigner seems promissing
[20:42] <linux_noobian> what's the best amd drivers for gaming right now? The open source defaults were fine but a bit slow in HL2
[20:43] <mdlpe> EriC^: whit efi where the grub is installed by default ?
[20:43] <iopq> linux_noobian, you can always try vulkan and see if it runs faster
[20:44] <Skaface82> Peyam: http://kompozer.net/
[20:44] <iopq> although for HL2 won't help lol
[20:46] <kus_ubuntui686> I think you will find this amusing https://i.imgur.com/CbzLhFQ.png
[20:47] <linux_noobian> Had such good luck so far with the default drivers and rather not have binary blobs but need more performance. recommendations? been a few years since i used linux
[20:47] <oerheks> kus_ubuntui686, is there any support issue in that?
[20:47] <konrados> Hello! I wanted to upgrade my chrome installation, and this is #1 result in google: http://www.techoism.com/installupgrade-google-chrome-56-ubuntu/ - but isn't this weird? I'm used to `add-apt-repository` to add a repo, but they tell me to `sh -c 'echo "deb http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google.list'`, also they want to me to `get -q -O - https://dl-ssl.google.com/linux/linux_signing_key.pub |
[20:47] <konrados> sudo apt-key add -`
[20:47] <konrados> I wanted to ask if this is OK before running these commands :)
[20:48] <linux_noobian> konrados: that doesn't look too legit. use official sources
[20:48] <ash_work> I used to be able to hit right-alt (altgr) as the compose key but now it opens the dash... was there a config I was supposed to set?
[20:48] <SlidingHorn> konrados: FYI installing applications outside of the repositories means they won't be supported in here.
[20:48] <ash_work> (or had set in the past?)
[20:48] <oerheks> konrados, no, just install the deb from the google site, it installed the key and repo, and you would get version 66
[20:49] <konrados> linux_noobian: SlidingHorn oerheks - ok, thank you!
[20:50] <brainwash> linux_noobian: is that an ancient graphics card?
[20:50] <tomreyn> konrados: are you aware of chromium-broowser?
[20:51] <BlueGriffin> Hi. just listening
[20:51] <konrados> tomreyn: all I know such an animal exists, why?
[20:52] <tomreyn> konrados: well it's in ubuntu and thus gets good support and doesn't come with some of the proprietary elements which come with chrome (and which some people might say work against your interests).
[20:53] <tomreyn> konrados: so i'm just pointing out it exists and is very similar to chrome
[20:53] <linux_noobian> brainwash: amd 290. should run hl2 fine
[20:53] <konrados> tomreyn: ok, let my try it! Thanks. AFAIK they both use same flesh? I mean, the js / html engine?
[20:53] <brainwash> linux_noobian: indeed
[20:54] <tomreyn> konrados: there's pepperflash for it, i think its a separate download
[20:54] <tomreyn> !info pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[20:55] <linux_noobian> brainwash: i'm just a bit lost on what drivers to use atm. was just now searching and this post sums up my rant fine: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/7s8ea1/whats_the_deal_with_amds_new_linux_vulkan_driver/dt31fkt
[20:55] <tomreyn> !info pepperflashplugin-nonfree xenial
[20:55] <oerheks> !amd
[20:55] <oerheks> open radeon, or amdgpu
[20:55] <konrados> tomreyn: I mean "flesh", not flash :) I don't use flash at all :) I thought, "flesh" in English means "something inside",here I meant the "webkit" or whatever  chrome uses "inside":)
[20:56] <konrados> as an engine
[20:56] <auronandace> konrados: rendering engine is blink
[20:56] <brainwash> linux_noobian: is that with ubuntu 18.04?
[20:56] <konrados> yes, yes that ^ auronandace - I have a feeling they change the name all the time o.O :)
[20:57] <konrados> tomreyn: found it! I think "guts" is what I wanted to say :)
[20:57] <konrados> not... "flesh"
[20:58] <brainwash> linux_noobian: also, how do you measure performance?
[20:58] <tomreyn> konrados: oh :) i think it's the same rendering engine, yes. chrome comes with stronger integration of google services (but chromium has this, too), and chrome comes with several proprietary (closed source, binary blob) additions which add support for drm, voice control etc.
[20:59] <konrados> tomreyn: ok, gotcha, thanks again! Will try it!
[20:59] <linux_noobian> brainwash: yes. so it seems i'm using the correct/best one, i think (open radeon). Performance? haven't tried much yet but a few older games which worked fine. hl2 just seemed to skip frames. have to test more. i also need amd settings so i can change refresh rate (catalyst control manager) or something
[20:59] <tomreyn> konrados: welcome
[21:00] <brainwash> linux_noobian: ccc is no more
[21:00] <linux_noobian> brainwash: that sucks. any equivalent now?
[21:02] <brainwash> linux_noobian: I think there isn't anything to replace it
[21:03] <tomreyn> brainwash: there are kernel module options, modinfo radeon | grep ^parm, and there are some environment variables you can set, such as vblank_mode=0|1 for vsync
[21:03] <oerheks> settings > devices > displays
[21:03] <brainwash> tomreyn: well yeah. obviously some things can be tweaked.
[21:03] <brainwash> tomreyn: there is "driconf" also
[21:04] <linux_noobian> oerheks: that doesn't give me the needed refresh option. my monitor can overclock, ubuntu just doesn't know it
[21:04] <tomreyn> brainwash: oh right
[21:05] <PhazonicRidley> hi, does ubuntu have support for raspberry pi 3B+?
[21:07] <slavic> Hi. Could anyone take a look at this bug and confirm/infirm if they're having the same issue? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1767542
[21:07] <TheSov> does anyone why when i install targetcli, target.service is trying to load vis LSB?
[21:08] <TheSov> May  2 16:05:56 iscsi1 target[1103]:  * Failed to load /etc/target/scsi_target.lio
[21:09] <tomreyn> linux_noobian: R9 290 should actually work with amdgpu
[21:09] <tomreyn> that's a newer driver than the radeon ones
[21:10] <iopq> when I switched to onboard video (I set it as the default) the system went into low graphics mode
[21:10] <iopq> how do I fix my intel onboard
[21:14] <coolchris> xbill is a good game lol
[21:14] <linux_noobian> tomreyn: thanks. i'm figuring this stuff out little by little
[21:15] <YADW1> Hello fellow earthlings. I've got something quite weird going on with my lockscreen on my laptop with Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS
[21:16] <server_> hola
[21:16] <server_> q onda esto
[21:17] <YADW1> Basically, while in the Unity environment, I can't lock the screen in any way, not by key combo (super+L, ctrl+alt+L) and even from the shutdown menu
[21:17] <tomreyn> linux_noobian: actually now that i read up more on this i'm no longer certain that yours works with amdgpu. it's a "Sea Islands" generation card. read up on https://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/ (and again, and again, it's not easy to understand this stuff for me at least)
[21:18] <YADW1> All that happens is the screen just goes dark for a second, then it turns on as if nothing has changed
[21:19] <coolchris> hello on 18.04 i have xrdp installed i installed xfce4 and put startxfce4 in the .xsession what do i put in .xsession for the default interface
[21:19] <YADW1> I've got lubuntu-desktop installed, and oddly enough if I try to lock the screen from there, I end up on the old GDM lockscreen. <--- This. Is. Madness.
[21:19] <linux_noobian> tomreyn: i know, don't worry i'll figure it out. i'm not sure i need to change anything but i like to try to understand this stuff
[21:20] <YADW1> Just what must I do to make it work properly?
[21:20] <tomreyn> YADW1: there are lightlocker and xscreensaver as the most common screensvers, i think. and i think you'd need to have (exactly) one of them running for this to ork properly. i'm not sure about what lubuntu uses by default.
[21:20] <Bashing-om> linkmark: AMD Radeon™ R9 290X Graphics; if ya really want to push, that card also supports the proprietary overlay : https://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMD-Radeon-GPU-PRO-Linux-Beta-Driver%E2%80%93Release-Notes.aspx .
[21:20] <linux_noobian> rebooting. thanks for the help guys
[21:20] <blackbird1> Hi, I have an issue with droidCam. I get the video stream but the microphone is not detected.
[21:21] <PhazonicRidley> hi, does ubuntu have support for raspberry pi 3B+?
[21:21] <Bashing-om> linux_noobian: ^^ sorry linkmark :(
[21:21] <YADW1> tomreyn thank you, I'm pretty sure there is lightlocker installed. Now I have to check if xscreensaver is installed too
[21:22] <tomreyn> YADW1: 'installed' is okay. 'running' can be an issue.
[21:22] <YADW1> Uhm, yup, it's installed. How can I see if they are both running, and in case, how can I stop one of the two?
[21:23] <SlidingHorn> blackbird1: You may have to find their official support - droidcam isn't a supported package in Ubuntu
[21:23] <blackbird1> SlidingHorn: I'm looking for an irc channel :)
[21:24] <YADW1> Nvm, by systemctl status xscreensaver appears to be dead
[21:24] <SlidingHorn> blackbird1: try /msg alis list droidcam
[21:26] <srgjames> I have a Webserver being hosted with Google Compute. I'm wanting to back it up to my External Harddrive is there any way I can complete this ? Perfer to get a Full disk and then once in a while partials
[21:28] <YADW1> tomreyn any suggestion?
[21:29] <tomreyn> YADW1: echo '[light-locker]'; pgrep light-locker; echo '[xscreensaver]'; pgrep xscreensaver
[21:30] <tomreyn> YADW1: this returns the process id's for the type of screensaver listed above. no process ids = not running.
[21:30] <YADW1> tomreyn Only the echo strings were returned, pgrep didn't find any of the two
[21:31] <YADW1> So apparently none is running
[21:31] <tomreyn> YADW1: so i guess you have neither loaded, which matches the result you reported.
[21:33] <tomreyn> YADW1: see the configuration of your preferred screen locker in your desktop enviroments preferences (if any), and make sure it is loaded in the "sessions and startup" preferences
[21:33] <YADW1> I'll check that in no time :D
[21:33] <saexfer> srgjames: maybe with rsync
[21:37] <louie__> hi
[21:41] <SlidingHorn> Just repeating as it's been a while & the -steam channel is silent:  sudo apt install steam  recommends nvidia-driver-libs-i386:i386 which is not in the repos.  I have a GTX 1060 running on the proprietary (390) driver.  Is this package something I'm going to need?  If so, where do I get it?  (this steam install is from the multiverse repos)
[21:43] <shanemikel_> I’m having some serious issues with the bionic live disks
[21:43] <Sven_vB> what's an efficient way to prove that a USB device that claims to be a mass storage device of capacity 128 GB, can actually store that much data? I'd like to invest at most 2 GB storage on the test computer.
[21:44] <Sven_vB> would be nice if the test procedure can be suspended and resumed
[21:44] <shanemikel_> I’ve tried a number of the different spins and getting “io error” and crashes for the install.. trying to run firefox or fdisk gives “io error”
[21:44] <hanwang> test
[21:44] <nacc> SlidingHorn: you don't need it, most likely
[21:45] <nacc> SlidingHorn: i'd file a bug against the steam package in Launchpad maybe
[21:45] <shanemikel_> Searched “io error” in the bug tracker but nothing comes up
[21:45] <srgjames> saexfer that might work Ty
[21:45] <nacc> shanemikel_: sounds like your hardware is failing
[21:45] <shanemikel_> No issue running 17.10
[21:46] <iopq> any idea how to make intel onboard graphics driver work again?
[21:46] <shanemikel_> AFAICT
[21:46] <nacc> shanemikel_: would need more examples. Can you pastebin the output from fdisk and how you're invoking it, e.g.
[21:47] <shanemikel_> Yeah I’m gonna stop at a cafe and I’ll pastebin dmesg and the rest
[21:48] <Sven_vB> nevermind, it just came to my mind that huge file downloads + checksum should work if the huge files I download are highly compressed (and still huge).
[21:49] <isene> EriC^: I read somewhere that the bug we talked about earlier is related to secure-boot. And so I went ahead and enabled secureboot, and then the packages (both) installed just fine.
[21:49] <Sven_vB> if the device manages to cheat by compressing them even further, there's no longer a useful distinction between "cheat" and "storage technology" :))
[21:49] <mukeil> a
[21:51] <mukeil> halo
[21:59] <Term1nal> So, uh... is there a way to NOT switch to gdm by default in the 18.04 upgrade?
[22:00] <Term1nal> my system really hates gdm and refuses to launch it
[22:00] <Term1nal> but it's perfectly fine with lightdm
[22:01] <Term1nal> I tried 18.04 upgrade and it just gets stuck in an infinite loop trying to start gdm, crashing, and trying to launch it again. I can't even ctrl+alt+f<x> to a tty to try and fix it, because then it starts trying to launch gdm in that new tty somehow.
[22:01] <Term1nal> good thing I cloned my system drive before running the upgrade, I was able to revert
[22:06] <Jordan_U> Term1nal: In the future, you can select recovery mode from the "Advanced options for Ubuntu" entry in the grub menu. (spam escape during boot to get the grub menu, or hold shift during boot if booting via BIOS).
[22:07] <Term1nal> Jordan_U: that didn't work either. Something about the new kernel and my graphics chip I think.
[22:08] <Jordan_U> Term1nal: What happened when you tried to boot via recovery mode?
[22:09] <Term1nal> When I get to the recovery ncurses menu, it just didn't respond to any input, I tried recovery mode with an older kernel, which worked, but trying to enable networking so I could install lightdm it just hung indefinitely, pressing ctrl+c rebooted it
[22:10] <Term1nal> tried booting normally with the older kernel, same gdm crashing but faster.
[22:10] <Sven_vB> Term1nal, you could chroot into your installed Ubuntu from inside a live session
[22:10] <Jordan_U> Term1nal: Does alt+sysrq+r print a message to the screen?
[22:11] <Term1nal> I didn't try that/know to try that. Jordan_U
[22:11] <Term1nal> Sven_vB: I'm none to experience with chrooting.
[22:11] <Term1nal> experienced*
[22:11] <ash_work> I used to be able to hit right-alt (altgr) as the compose key but now it opens the dash... was there a config I was supposed to set?
[22:12] <Sven_vB> Term1nal, me neither, but sometimes we have people here who are willing to help you, sometimes even guide you step by step. :)
[22:12] <Jordan_U> !sysrq | Term1nal
[22:12] <Sven_vB> Term1nal, btw if it's just about deactivating the infinite loop, you probably don't even need a chroot, a normal mount will do
[22:12] <Jordan_U> Term1nal: Note that most sysrq functions are actually disabled by default for local security. Enabling them is the first thing I do with any install.
[22:12] <Term1nal> I may just hold off and wait until I get up the gumption to fresh install and reconfigure everything on a clean setup.
[22:13] <Sven_vB> Term1nal, you'd probably just have to block a systemd service, which IIRC can be done by creating a symlink in the right place. I just don't remember where.
[22:14] <Term1nal> Jordan_U: I was able to reboot by hitting ctrl+alt+delete when it flashed back briefly to the text console with all of the boot up [OK] messages.
[22:14] <Sven_vB> Term1nal, once the loop is broken, you should be able to use a text tty to install lightdm
[22:15] <Sven_vB> Term1nal, would be a good opportunity to install an SSH server as well. ;)
[22:16] <Term1nal> not sure why I'd really need to install an SSH server to a desktop workstation other than this specific situation :P
[22:16] <Term1nal> though how are you suggesting I stop the infinite gdm launch/crash/launch loop when booting normally?
[22:16] <Sven_vB> Term1nal, there's a bunch of other situations where you'll be glad you have one
[22:17] <cYnIxX3> Hello, I am trying to install 18.04 from a 16.04 live usb with the 18.04 file? is there a way to do this? Thanks in advance.
[22:17] <Jordan_U> cYnIxX3: No, you need to boot from an 18.04 LiveUSB to install 18.04. Is something preventing you from creating an Ubuntu 18.04 liveUSB?
[22:18] <Term1nal> So at least coming to report that upgrade from 17.10 to 18.04 was a failure on 4th gen intel i5 with radeon r7 270X.
[22:19] <cYnIxX3> Jordan_U, nothing preventing me, just the tool I had on hand and it had some other stuff on it so I was reluctant. Thanks :)
[22:19] <Term1nal> with my big hunch on being the radeon, because everything AMD is complete garbage under Linux in my experience lol
[22:19] <Jordan_U> cYnIxX3: You're welcome :)
[22:19] <Sven_vB> Term1nal, 1. boot into live session 2. use syslog to identify what service is looping (ask here if you need further assistance) 3. mount the partition with your systemd settings 4. locate the service file 5. disable it or set a long retry delay 6. reboot
[22:21] <spreeuw> amd cpu and gpu work excellent in linux
[22:22] <spreeuw> with the freedom software stack
[22:22] <spreeuw> + firmware blobs
[22:23] <Term1nal> well whatever is loaded by default for AMD graphics simply doesn't work.
[22:23] <Term1nal> at least for an older card like mine.
[22:23] <spreeuw> work for what?
[22:23] <Term1nal> gdm, at least.
[22:23] <spreeuw> how old?
[22:23] <shiroininja> Term1nal: I beg to differ, AMD has been a breeze for me under linux compared to Nvidia. I had issues updgrading to 18.04 from 16.04, but that was due to me already running testing versions of gnome in 16.04. But with a complete reinstall to 18.04, everything works great
[22:23] <Term1nal> Radoen R7 270X
[22:23] <Term1nal> radeon*
[22:23] <spreeuw> should work well
[22:24] <spreeuw> but it may have limitations
[22:24] <Term1nal> well, it went from perfect operation under 17.10 + lightdm, to complete failure to launch the login screen after performing 17.10->18.04 upgrade.
[22:24] <shiroininja> and i'm on r9 280
[22:25] <Term1nal> with the switch to gdm, which I don't think I've ever had good experiences with.
[22:25] <shiroininja> I just think the upgrade option borks things, from what I've heard, and it seems to be random things messing up Term1nal
[22:25] <Term1nal> could be. I really dread having to reconfigure everything D:
[22:25] <spreeuw> oh yeah I recall some issues with 3d accell in that pre server thing
[22:26] <shiroininja> Term1nal: You're not the only one havingh issues, but they're so random, it's hard to pinpoint the cause
[22:26] <spreeuw> this preenvironment doesnt have accell
[22:27] <Term1nal> the main issue is inability to select whigh dm to use, since it just forces gdm on me.
[22:27] <spreeuw> it fucks up the transparency stuff that login manager uses
[22:27] <Term1nal> which*
[22:27] <spreeuw> bringing it to a perceived halt
[22:27] <spreeuw> oh no now I remember that was in an emulated VM
[22:27] <Term1nal> another thing, dreading getting all of my wine stuff working again with all of the dumb fonts and stuff
[22:28] <Term1nal> since I noticed in the upgrade it completely removed everything related to my games
[22:28] <Guma> I am trying ssh -X to  ubuntu server and display running app on my machine (Mint). Before ssh I did host + on my workstation. After doing ssh -X to server I see DISPLAY is not set. So I did exported DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 and did try xeye. Still getting can not open display. Any ideas? X11 forwarding is set on server
[22:28] <Term1nal> steam, the microsoft fonts, wine-related stuff
[22:28] <spreeuw> yeah fonts in general look worse than they could on linux
[22:28] <spreeuw> I had my fonts just right on linux from scratch
[22:29] <spreeuw> had a gigabyte installed too
[22:29] <Term1nal> yeah and I did something to fix font rendering in 17.10, I forget what
[22:29] <Term1nal> some random article I read
[22:29] <Term1nal> mainly it's just the MS fonts needed for running things under wine.
[22:29] <Term1nal> and libttf issues
[22:29] <spreeuw> yeah theres this wine helper thign
[22:29] <spreeuw> that can execute these commands
[22:30] <spreeuw> its soem wine laucjher google it
[22:30] <spreeuw> it sets up the env
[22:30] <spreeuw> in a gui
[22:30] <Term1nal> which I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to re-do everything once I move to 18.04
[22:30] <spreeuw> shouldnt be necessary normally
[22:30] <Term1nal> yeah, there's playonlinux (buggy as hell), and Lutris
[22:30] <spreeuw> but it would be wines fault if it does
[22:30] <spreeuw> if it cant import old stuff
[22:31] <Jordan_U> Guma: You shouldn't need to run "xhost +". Are you using a terminal multiplexer like screen/tmux?
[22:31] <Term1nal> spreeuw: I just meant, in the upgrade procedure, it determines all of these packages as something to remove before proceeding
[22:31] <Guma> Jordan_U No I am not running screen/tmux
[22:32] <Guma> How do I go about debugging this?  Which log files server? workstation?
[22:34] <Guma> Should the DISPLAY ip be localhost or my workstation IP?
[22:37] <Jordan_U> Guma: Do you have "X11Forwarding yes" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config ?
[22:38] <Guma> Jordan_U Yes I do
[22:39] <Guma> Jordan_U so is X11DisplayOffset 10
[22:40] <Guma> Jordan_U This is all on local lan
[22:41] <Guma> xauth is also installed on headless server
[22:48] <Jordan_U> Guma: "ssh -v -X ..." might give you some helpful output.
[22:49] <root> hello
[22:51] <hanwang> is anyone using GTX1080? Are you using X.Org's driver or NVidia's
[22:51] <SlidingHorn> hanwang: xorg is just a display server...I'm assuming you mean nouveau?  What is your actual question (i.e. what is your problem?)
[22:52] <AarKnos> hanwng, I am using a 1080ti with nvidia drivers
[22:52] <hanwang> yea i meant Nouveau lol
[22:53] <AarKnos> cant play games with proper fps without the nvidia drivers
[22:53] <hanwang> good to know, thx xD
[22:54] <SlidingHorn> hanwang: it's important to note that AarKnos is just one person.  Your results might be fine with the nouveau driver (which is usually recommended unless you definitely cannot accomplish your needs using it)
[22:56] <shanemikel_> I can attest that AarKnos is actually a few people at least
[22:56] <hanwang> cool, the reason I was asking about the driver is that ever since I upgraded to 1804, my multi monitor setup is encountering some issues
[22:57] <hanwang> every time when i adjust display arrangement, ubuntu crashes and reboot to signin page
[22:57] <rockdrigo> ok
[22:58] <rockdrigo> o-o
[23:00] <Guest27112> during installation on a UEFI-enabled machine it says i have to disable secure boot for third-party driver installation.  All well and good and I understand the technical reasons why, but what is the security key it asks to set? I can't find any information answering that.  https://i.imgur.com/GmeZzYv.png
[23:02] <shanemikel_> Guest27112: I had the same question
[23:02] <shanemikel_> Now my installation is going okay... no "io error".. strange
[23:03] <shanemikel_> I think one of the crashes I had was due to my being connected to a captive portal wifi without logging in
[23:03] <shanemikel_> (with ubiquity I mean)
[23:03] <simba_> I want to set up an autossh systemd unit. I put it in ~/.config/systemd/user and did `systemctl daemon-reload` but `systemctl start autossh-tunnel.service` says `Unit autossh-tunnel.service not found`.
[23:05] <nacc> Guest27112: shanemikel_ I believe that is to talk to MOK on reboot
[23:05] <shanemikel_> Ok I just got the io error during the install phase
[23:05] <nacc> Guest27112: shanemikel_ see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot
[23:06] <shanemikel_> But I can’t paste dmesg because everything is crashing and I can’t open Firefox
[23:06] <shanemikel_> How can I use the command like paste from arch?
[23:06] <nacc> shanemikel_: dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:08] <Guest27112> nacc: ok, so it's basically a workaround to manually approve updating the hash of a given binary?  So you actually are leaving secure boot enabled, and this allows you to add approved binaries without signing?
[23:09] <shanemikel_> Can’t do that even “bus error”
[23:09] <nacc> shanemikel_: you are probably hitting hardware issues
[23:09] <shanemikel_> But I can read dmesg
[23:10] <nacc> shanemikel_: what does dmesg say (it will presumably indicate you got a SIGBUS to some process)
[23:10] <nacc> Guest27112: I think so -- the password you are using is so that on reboot the system can know it is you enrolling MOK
[23:10] <oerheks> Guest27112, nacc, i think you want to read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot#MOK_generation_and_signing_process
[23:10] <shanemikel_> I don’t see any sigs in dmesg..
[23:11] <shanemikel_> A ton of squashfs errors though
[23:11] <nacc> oerheks: yeah, that's the part i was suggesting
[23:11] <shanemikel_> And io errors
[23:11] <nacc> shanemikel_: those all imply hardware issues, most likely. Or a bad USB?
[23:12] <Guest27112> thanks; first install of anything on a UEFI system, so trying to make sure i understand what's going on before i actually do anything
[23:12] <shanemikel_> I hope it’s the thumb... I’ll try with another one
[23:12] <Guest27112> (3 decades on BIOS, though lol)
[23:12] <oerheks> Guest27112, i wonder why you want to use drivers outside of the ubuntu ones provided with the driver tool, else an *unofficial ppa* https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[23:13] <Guest27112> oerheks: i generally haven't needed to, but the text you see in that screenshot says if i want third-party software installed with the rest during normal install, i have to do those steps
[23:14] <Guest27112> oerheks: i normally run nvidia binaries, and that's usually been the only thing i've needed to add on the vaios i've primarily used.  I don't predict many issues on this thing since it's from Asus, though i've already identified some reasonably well-documented issues with HDMI audio, it also lists several workarounds, and it's not a make-or-break feature for my usecases
[23:14] <nacc> Guest27112: it's mostly about the chain of trust implied by secureboot, i think
[23:15] <Guest27112> nacc: that was my understanding from the first link as well; about to read the second one about mok in a moment, my spicy ramen lunch wants its revenge lol brb
[23:15] <nacc> Guest27112: specifically, if you're using dkms, you don't have the signing key, but you're already in a secure-booted environent
[23:15] <shanemikel_> Anybody had any luck with dell’s Ubuntu laptops?  Will they take support requests seriously when there are suspected HW probs ?
[23:16] <nacc> Guest27112: so you generate a new key, turn off secure boot so you can do stuff, build/sign your new module and then reboot to authorize the new signing key
[23:16] <nacc> Guest27112: the turn off secure boot so you can do stuff step is handwavy, because I'm honestly not sure why it's necessary, but I have a feeling it's something secureboot-y in the build process
[23:21] <Guest27112> nacc: oh, it's definitely hand-wavy, because it's only needed if certain bootloader- or kernel-related stuff is changed.  there's also the tin-foil aspect from the "secure boot is nothing but a killswitch for linux that msft controls" camp (which isn't ENTIRELY meritless, but falls apart so long as we can still disable secure boot or add our own trusted keys, as i can do on this device)
[23:25] <Guest27112> oerheks, nacc: the second link about MOKmanager explains it perfectly, thanks mates
[23:35] <shanemikel_> I think I was noticing the “disk connected” KDE popups while I was installing and log messages about power management of the usb.. so maybe it’s an ACPI problem ?  Anyway I’m trying with a different thumb drive now
[23:38] <iopq> can someone help me fix my onboard intel drivers? they used to work, but now they do not
[23:41] <simba_> I'm having trouble with systemd. I can do this: /usr/lib/autossh/autossh -M 0 -o 'ServerAliveInterval 30' -o 'ServerAliveCountMax 3' -R 2222:localhost:22 remotehost.com
[23:42] <simba_> But when I put the same command in a .service file, I get "Host key verification failed."
[23:44] <shanemikel_> Man getting from "Software" to the "Disk Setup" step takes like > 5 Mins.. and It's not even supposed to be doing anything yet lol
[23:44] <simba_> I wonder if systemd is running the command as the wrong user or something
[23:44] <shanemikel_> At most its, what, updating the apt sources?
[23:45] <simba_> shanemikel_: i have a dell ubuntu laptop, never had a problem
[23:46] <stortford> Hi, just made clean install of Lubuntu 18.04. Using Canon LIDE 200 scanner with both Simple Scan and Skanlite gives scanned page with 10mm black vertical line down centre. Didn't happen with 16.04 LTS. Any ideas please.
[23:50] <shanemikel_> simba_: do you use the OEM ubuntu or did you do a fresh install?
[23:51] <stortford> Thanks Simba. Downloaded ISO from Lubuntu, checked MD5Sum and burned to DVD for install.
[23:52] <shanemikel_> stortford: that was me talking to simba_
[23:52] <stortford> Sorry
[23:52] <shanemikel_> no worries
[23:55] <shanemikel_> okay install finished, now I'm  gonna restart and see
[23:55] <eddyready> Hi, I am getting screen tearing on a Dell 7480 laptop but no tearing on a Lenovo T460s. Both running 18.04. Any idea as to why? Dell uses the onboard intel HD graphics 620 whereas the Lenovo uses the onboard intel HD graphics 520
[23:57] <Guest27112> eddyready: check vsync and compositor settings
[23:57] <eddyready> Guest27112: where would that be located?
[23:59] <Guest27112> eddyready: in kubuntu it's under display settings; i'm a KDE guy, not sure where it is in Unity or w/e ubuntu uses these days