[03:16] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:17] <SlidingHorn> morning lotuspsychje
[03:18] <lotuspsychje> hey SlidingHorn
[06:00] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:00] <SlidingHorn> morning lordievader
[06:00] <lordievader> Hey SlidingHorn
[06:00] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[06:01] <SlidingHorn> Not too bad - just looking into switching twitch bots atm
[06:02] <SlidingHorn> and banging my head against the wall in the main channel in the meantime lol
[06:19] <ducasse> good morning!
[06:19] <SlidingHorn> ducasse: morning
[06:20] <SlidingHorn> RIP ubottu -
[06:21] <ducasse> it'll be back, i expect
[06:21] <SlidingHorn> we hardly knew ye
[06:37] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[06:37] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[06:39] <ducasse> morning lordievader - all well, thanks, how are you?
[06:40] <lordievader> Doing good here 😁
[06:41] <ducasse> having a good morning so far? :)
[06:42] <lordievader> Haven't had coffee yet
[06:43] <lordievader> Going to get some now 😀
[06:43] <ducasse> mustn't forget that
[06:58] <lordievader> Indeed
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> work time guys cu laterz
[08:20] <Bugzie> Back
[10:32] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:46] <JimBuntu> Good morning
[10:48] <BluesKaj> 'Morning JimBuntu
[10:50] <BluesKaj> insomnia here again, woke up at 4...couldn't get back to sleep after that :/
[10:53] <BluesKaj> but a nap this afternoon should help
[11:43] <daftykins> \o
[12:10] <BluesKaj> hey daftykins
[12:14] <daftykins> BluesKaj: hi hi, how're things besides the sleep troubles?
[12:16] <BluesKaj> ok otherwise daftykins, how about you?
[12:16] <daftykins> pretty good cheers! i did a huge overhaul of my home server earlier this week, so i am much upgraded... saving power and made life easier :)
[12:16] <BluesKaj> ahh, cool :-)
[12:27] <BluesKaj> saving power is money in the bank, especially at our rates here...been consolidating our electrical devices and now I have about 6 or 7 old devices that were continuously drawing power thru the wall warts they came with, "always on" is not a good thing in the name of convenience.
[12:28] <daftykins> indeed! these modern games consoles are quite crazy for wanting to automatically start up and get updates etc, too - strange time
[12:30] <leftyfb> Bugzie: knock it off
[12:31] <daftykins> yep just keep feeding that troll
[12:32] <Bugzie> leftyfb: When you say knock it off, do you you feel proud of youself?
[12:32] <leftyfb> daftykins: the problem is, this troll is dangerous. They constantly give very bad and dangerous advice in there
[12:33] <daftykins> oh yeah? do tell - but still, you really think saying the above is gonna combat a troll effectively? :)
[12:33] <Bugzie> leftyfb: From I am reading about you, I believe I have enough information to say that you are strange dude
[12:33] <Bugzie> Althought, you might be a guy, or gay
[12:34] <Bugzie> I judge you leftyfb
[12:35] <daftykins> Bugzie: don't try and help people when all you do is use a live session and have no clue how to use Linux
[12:36] <Bugzie> Yes, I have no idea what you are talking about
[12:36] <Bugzie> Can you give examples?\
[12:39] <Bugzie> daftykins: ?
[12:39] <daftykins> everything you say, obviously
[12:40] <Bugzie> So me speaking is the cause of the problem?
[12:40] <daftykins> yes it is a huge problem for freenode
[12:41] <Bugzie> Okay, I acknowledged that I am the bain of the problems of Freenode
[12:42] <Bugzie> yessir
[12:43] <Bugzie> I am the huge problem for Freenode
[12:44] <BluesKaj> stfu and go away, we don't care about your personal problems
[12:44] <Bugzie> NO
[12:45] <Bugzie> Much better than saying garbage
[12:45] <Bugzie> No
[12:45] <Bugzie> Btw, what Personal problems are you talking about?
[12:47]  * BluesKaj enables ignore on the troll
[12:48] <JimBuntu> ruh roh.
[12:48] <leftyfb> later
[12:50] <Bugzie> /ignore
[14:19] <hggdh> i really wish you all could understand that feeding a troll just gives it strength
[14:20] <daftykins> which is worse, inactive ops or trolls?
[14:20] <BluesKaj> I don't understand why he wasn't silenced
[14:21] <hggdh> trolls, and feeding them
[14:21] <daftykins> i think he was a known ban evader, at least that's my best guess
[14:21] <hggdh> he is a known figure, yes
[14:22] <daftykins> shame on you for pointing the finger though, do your damn job or quit
[14:22] <BluesKaj> so his IP is on record as being a troll or whatever the classification is.
[14:25] <BluesKaj> well < drank the local cable tv company kool-ade and a tech guy is coming by soon to install a dvr/receiver...IPTV is just too damn clunky. Kodi needs a lotta work IMO
[14:27] <BluesKaj> bbiab
[14:28] <daftykins> i don't think it's Kodi that needs work, IPTV is just something it's capable of - it's the addons
[14:28] <leftyfb> hggdh: I don't understand why you believe letting trolls run rampant and putting the onus on us to ignore them is a better solution than just removing them
[14:28] <daftykins> leftyfb: it's because they're not willing to do their jobs
[14:28] <leftyfb> hggdh: what's the point of ops if your solution is to never do anything about it?
[14:28] <daftykins> always has been the case on freenode
[14:29] <leftyfb> especially in this case where it's not only a repeat offender, but they're blatantly admitting their intentiobs
[14:39] <JimBuntu> I re-propose my idea of a special channel that when you ban/kick people... they go there... with all the other trolls. They can troll-roll each other
[14:39] <leftyfb> JimBuntu: you've said this before. It's not a thing
[14:44] <JimBuntu> leftyfb, correct, it's not... but I think it should be. I guess I should consider writing some sort of IRC server plugin
[14:44] <leftyfb> a plugin won't work
[14:44] <leftyfb> you can't force someone into a channel and stay there
[14:45] <JimBuntu> Well, whatever the proper nomenclature would be for an IRC server. I never suggested (that I can remember) that the person is forced to stay in that channel.
[14:45] <leftyfb> JimBuntu: you'd have to make all the Freenode server admins run your code
[14:46] <leftyfb> it would be much easier to just have admins/ops that do their job
[14:46] <JimBuntu> I'm not trying to make anyone do anything. That's why I said perhaps I should think about writing a solution. Then whoever wants to use it, could.
[14:46] <daftykins> hehe the #u namespace playpen
[15:46] <Squarism> Any "global" reason not upgrade to 18.04?
[15:47] <JimBuntu> If Blueskaj was on, he could give you lots of good info on what it's been like to use for the last several months
[15:48] <JimBuntu> Squarism, do you want to upgrade for a personal machine with good backups or for a commercial/production machine with excellent backups?
[15:49] <Squarism> JimBuntu, for my super-important-it-works 9-5-work laptop wo backup methods
[15:49] <Squarism> The best scenario =D
[15:52] <JimBuntu> What version are you running today... 16.04 ?
[15:54] <kostkon> Squarism, wait until 18.04.1 comes out. in the meantime start working towards adopting a viable backup strategy since you mentioned it's a 9-5 work laptop
[15:54] <BluesKaj> Squarism, production machines are usually advised to wait until the first Bionic point release is ready, most likely sometime in July
[15:56] <JimBuntu> July 26th according to the "schedule"
[15:56] <BluesKaj> ok
[15:56] <JimBuntu> Sorry BluesKaj , I didn't intend that in a mean way
[15:58] <BluesKaj> It's working well for me atm, but I'm a home user Squarism so probly nowhwere near the number and kinds of apps you might need
[15:58] <BluesKaj> JimBuntu, no worries :-)
[16:14] <Squarism> thanks guys. Appreciate the info.
[16:18] <JimBuntu> BluesKaj, can you confirm that when in terminal, you aren't able to ALT+F to access the file menu?
[16:23] <BluesKaj> yes, confirmed JimBuntu, nothing happens
[16:24] <JimBuntu> Thanks. That seems whacky to me. I seldom use it, but I saw someone complaining and wasn't sure if it was an actual issue.
[16:25] <BluesKaj> never used that before
[16:28]  * pragmaticenigma curious what tool JimBuntu and BluesKaj are talking about (irc logs is lagging)
[16:31] <BluesKaj> JimBuntu, yeah, what is that suppoded to do?
[16:34] <JimBuntu> ALT+F while in terminal should ause the "File" menu to drop-down so you see 'Open Terminal", "Open Tab", etc
[16:35] <JimBuntu> ALT+T should cause the Terminal menu to drop-down. I'm guessing none of them work
[16:36] <nacc> JimBuntu: it's also configurable
[16:36] <nacc> i turn it off because it intercepts irrsi, e.g.
[16:36] <JimBuntu> nacc, I guess it's off by default with 18.04
[16:37] <nacc> JimBuntu: yep
[16:37] <pragmaticenigma> oh, terminal shortcuts... most of those are disabled for me too since applications I run (e.g. finch) also use some of the same key combos
[16:37] <nacc> JimBuntu: gnome-terminal -> preferences -> global -> general -> enable mnemonics
[16:37] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: right, that's my guess why it's disabled by default
[16:37] <nacc> probaby an upstream gnome decision, but not sure
[16:37] <JimBuntu> nacc, Thanks, I'll check that out if someone brings it up again, literally putting that in notes
[16:38] <nacc> JimBuntu: np
[16:38] <BluesKaj> nacc, I'm on KDE/Plasma, doesn't work here either
[16:38] <JimBuntu> This machine will be upgraded when 18.04.1 comes out, since it's Unity, I wonder if the setting will change.
[16:39] <BluesKaj> Unity?
[16:40] <JimBuntu> Default UI for Ubuntu desktop for a while now, idk, maybe 3-4 years
[16:40] <nacc> BluesKaj: hrm, possibly changed in all terminal emulators? dunno :)
[16:40] <nacc> BluesKaj: i assume they meant they were upgradeing from 16.04 to 18.04.1
[16:41] <JimBuntu> This machine deserves some stress, so I'll be moving it up to 16.04 first, lol.
[17:51] <nacc> fun fun fun spectre-ng
[17:53] <daftykins> how delightful
[17:59] <Bugzie> back
[18:17] <nicomachus> oh yay
[21:46] <kostkon> https://uappexplorer.com/snap/ubuntu/mosaic  :)
[21:55] <oerheks> lolz @ bing.com
[21:57] <daftykins> "just bing it" :)