[03:16] good morning to all [03:17] morning lotuspsychje [03:18] hey SlidingHorn [06:00] Good morning [06:00] morning lordievader [06:00] Hey SlidingHorn [06:00] How are you doing? [06:01] Not too bad - just looking into switching twitch bots atm [06:02] and banging my head against the wall in the main channel in the meantime lol [06:19] good morning! [06:19] ducasse: morning [06:20] RIP ubottu - [06:21] it'll be back, i expect [06:21] we hardly knew ye [06:37] Hey ducasse [06:37] How are you doing? [06:39] morning lordievader - all well, thanks, how are you? [06:40] Doing good here 😁 [06:41] having a good morning so far? :) [06:42] Haven't had coffee yet [06:43] Going to get some now 😀 [06:43] mustn't forget that [06:58] Indeed [08:09] work time guys cu laterz [08:20] Back === kostkon_ is now known as kostkon [10:32] Hi folks [10:46] Good morning [10:48] 'Morning JimBuntu [10:50] insomnia here again, woke up at 4...couldn't get back to sleep after that :/ [10:53] but a nap this afternoon should help [11:43] \o [12:10] hey daftykins [12:14] BluesKaj: hi hi, how're things besides the sleep troubles? [12:16] ok otherwise daftykins, how about you? [12:16] pretty good cheers! i did a huge overhaul of my home server earlier this week, so i am much upgraded... saving power and made life easier :) [12:16] ahh, cool :-) [12:27] saving power is money in the bank, especially at our rates here...been consolidating our electrical devices and now I have about 6 or 7 old devices that were continuously drawing power thru the wall warts they came with, "always on" is not a good thing in the name of convenience. [12:28] indeed! these modern games consoles are quite crazy for wanting to automatically start up and get updates etc, too - strange time [12:30] Bugzie: knock it off [12:31] yep just keep feeding that troll [12:32] leftyfb: When you say knock it off, do you you feel proud of youself? [12:32] daftykins: the problem is, this troll is dangerous. They constantly give very bad and dangerous advice in there [12:33] oh yeah? do tell - but still, you really think saying the above is gonna combat a troll effectively? :) [12:33] leftyfb: From I am reading about you, I believe I have enough information to say that you are strange dude [12:33] Althought, you might be a guy, or gay [12:34] I judge you leftyfb [12:35] Bugzie: don't try and help people when all you do is use a live session and have no clue how to use Linux [12:36] Yes, I have no idea what you are talking about [12:36] Can you give examples?\ [12:39] daftykins: ? [12:39] everything you say, obviously [12:40] So me speaking is the cause of the problem? [12:40] yes it is a huge problem for freenode [12:41] Okay, I acknowledged that I am the bain of the problems of Freenode [12:42] yessir [12:43] I am the huge problem for Freenode [12:44] stfu and go away, we don't care about your personal problems [12:44] NO [12:45] Much better than saying garbage [12:45] No [12:45] Btw, what Personal problems are you talking about? [12:47] * BluesKaj enables ignore on the troll [12:48] ruh roh. [12:48] later [12:50] /ignore === Bugzie is now known as BugzieAFK [14:19] i really wish you all could understand that feeding a troll just gives it strength [14:20] which is worse, inactive ops or trolls? [14:20] I don't understand why he wasn't silenced [14:21] trolls, and feeding them [14:21] i think he was a known ban evader, at least that's my best guess [14:21] he is a known figure, yes [14:22] shame on you for pointing the finger though, do your damn job or quit [14:22] so his IP is on record as being a troll or whatever the classification is. [14:25] well < drank the local cable tv company kool-ade and a tech guy is coming by soon to install a dvr/receiver...IPTV is just too damn clunky. Kodi needs a lotta work IMO [14:27] bbiab [14:28] i don't think it's Kodi that needs work, IPTV is just something it's capable of - it's the addons [14:28] hggdh: I don't understand why you believe letting trolls run rampant and putting the onus on us to ignore them is a better solution than just removing them [14:28] leftyfb: it's because they're not willing to do their jobs [14:28] hggdh: what's the point of ops if your solution is to never do anything about it? [14:28] always has been the case on freenode [14:29] especially in this case where it's not only a repeat offender, but they're blatantly admitting their intentiobs [14:39] I re-propose my idea of a special channel that when you ban/kick people... they go there... with all the other trolls. They can troll-roll each other [14:39] JimBuntu: you've said this before. It's not a thing [14:44] leftyfb, correct, it's not... but I think it should be. I guess I should consider writing some sort of IRC server plugin [14:44] a plugin won't work [14:44] you can't force someone into a channel and stay there [14:45] Well, whatever the proper nomenclature would be for an IRC server. I never suggested (that I can remember) that the person is forced to stay in that channel. [14:45] JimBuntu: you'd have to make all the Freenode server admins run your code [14:46] it would be much easier to just have admins/ops that do their job [14:46] I'm not trying to make anyone do anything. That's why I said perhaps I should think about writing a solution. Then whoever wants to use it, could. [14:46] hehe the #u namespace playpen [15:46] Any "global" reason not upgrade to 18.04? [15:47] If Blueskaj was on, he could give you lots of good info on what it's been like to use for the last several months [15:48] Squarism, do you want to upgrade for a personal machine with good backups or for a commercial/production machine with excellent backups? [15:49] JimBuntu, for my super-important-it-works 9-5-work laptop wo backup methods [15:49] The best scenario =D [15:52] What version are you running today... 16.04 ? [15:54] Squarism, wait until 18.04.1 comes out. in the meantime start working towards adopting a viable backup strategy since you mentioned it's a 9-5 work laptop [15:54] Squarism, production machines are usually advised to wait until the first Bionic point release is ready, most likely sometime in July [15:56] July 26th according to the "schedule" [15:56] ok [15:56] Sorry BluesKaj , I didn't intend that in a mean way [15:58] It's working well for me atm, but I'm a home user Squarism so probly nowhwere near the number and kinds of apps you might need [15:58] JimBuntu, no worries :-) [16:14] thanks guys. Appreciate the info. [16:18] BluesKaj, can you confirm that when in terminal, you aren't able to ALT+F to access the file menu? [16:23] yes, confirmed JimBuntu, nothing happens [16:24] Thanks. That seems whacky to me. I seldom use it, but I saw someone complaining and wasn't sure if it was an actual issue. [16:25] never used that before [16:28] * pragmaticenigma curious what tool JimBuntu and BluesKaj are talking about (irc logs is lagging) [16:31] JimBuntu, yeah, what is that suppoded to do? [16:34] ALT+F while in terminal should ause the "File" menu to drop-down so you see 'Open Terminal", "Open Tab", etc [16:35] ALT+T should cause the Terminal menu to drop-down. I'm guessing none of them work [16:36] JimBuntu: it's also configurable [16:36] i turn it off because it intercepts irrsi, e.g. [16:36] nacc, I guess it's off by default with 18.04 [16:37] JimBuntu: yep [16:37] oh, terminal shortcuts... most of those are disabled for me too since applications I run (e.g. finch) also use some of the same key combos [16:37] JimBuntu: gnome-terminal -> preferences -> global -> general -> enable mnemonics [16:37] pragmaticenigma: right, that's my guess why it's disabled by default [16:37] probaby an upstream gnome decision, but not sure [16:37] nacc, Thanks, I'll check that out if someone brings it up again, literally putting that in notes [16:38] JimBuntu: np [16:38] nacc, I'm on KDE/Plasma, doesn't work here either [16:38] This machine will be upgraded when 18.04.1 comes out, since it's Unity, I wonder if the setting will change. [16:39] Unity? [16:40] Default UI for Ubuntu desktop for a while now, idk, maybe 3-4 years [16:40] BluesKaj: hrm, possibly changed in all terminal emulators? dunno :) [16:40] BluesKaj: i assume they meant they were upgradeing from 16.04 to 18.04.1 [16:41] This machine deserves some stress, so I'll be moving it up to 16.04 first, lol. [17:51] fun fun fun spectre-ng [17:53] how delightful === BugzieAFK is now known as Bugzie [17:59] back [18:17] oh yay === czesmir_ is now known as czesmir [21:46] https://uappexplorer.com/snap/ubuntu/mosaic :) [21:55] lolz @ bing.com [21:57] "just bing it" :)