[00:00] <eddyready> Guest27112: I don't have those options in regular ubuntu
[00:01] <Guest27112> like i said, not sure where they are in ubuntu's default DE
[00:06] <linuxfan807> hello
[00:11] <simba_> shanemikel_: oem
[00:12] <momken23> hello
[00:12] <momken23> I have both Ubuntu and win 10 instslled
[00:13] <momken23> Now I want to "disable driver signature enforcement" in win 10 but I can't
[00:15] <momken23> I guess it is because of entering win 10 from grub which doesn't use the windows system reserved partition (500mb) partition
[00:15] <momken23> What should I do to disable driver signature enforcement in win 10?
[00:19] <momken23> hello?
[00:19] <momken23> Do I have write access? can you see me?
[00:20] <SlidingHorn> momken23: we can see you - please be patient, also, it might be helpful to kno exactly what your end-goal is here, as what your asking (at least to me) doesn't seem to explain much
[00:21] <momken23> Thanks.
[00:23] <xamithan> I don't think anyone here could answer such an obscure question about windows,  but I could be wrong
[00:24] <b3zi> anyone knows sql?
[00:25] <andy1633> what about it?
[00:25] <b3zi> can someone tell me pls what with the WHERE is wrong here? https://hastebin.com/utuhakesex.sql
[00:25] <momken23> I want to "disable driver signature enforcement" in win 10. It is a boot option for Windows like safe mode. But my computer is dual-booted (win10 + Ubuntu). Therefor now the default boot manager is grub. This prevents use of default windows boot manager and therefore no windows boot options are now available!
[00:26] <b3zi> momken23, simply switch bootloader in bios? For me possible
[00:26] <PhazonicRidley> hello
[00:26] <xamithan> Why do you even need the boot option for it,  the first link on google says you just need to open command prompt and run a bcdedit
[00:26] <PhazonicRidley> how well does ubuntu arm work for rpi 3B+?
[00:27] <andy1633> b3zi: don't think INSERT queries support the WHERE clause
[00:27] <b3zi> andy1633, so how do I avoid duplicates then?
[00:28] <momken23> b3zi, How?
[00:28] <pragmaticenigma> PhazonicRidley: Ubuntu supports the raspberry pi3, for discussion please see our /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:28] <b3zi> momken23, for me there is an option in bios. But don't know if this is working for you. What do you want do change for win?
[00:28] <momken23> b3zi, the default boot loader of my disk which uses mbr is grub
[00:29] <andy1633> b3zi, use a unique constraint or something? depends on the database engine you're using.
[00:29] <pragmaticenigma> !arm | PhazonicRidley
[00:29] <momken23> b3zi, I want to "disable driver signature enforcement"
[00:29] <b3zi> isn't that also possible from system cmd?
[00:30] <PhazonicRidley> oh ok
[00:30] <b3zi> if you boot from win installer → computerrepair → cmd You get a terminal which should be doing it
[00:31] <xamithan> Don't even need to do that,  just open command prompt from inside windows
[00:31] <PhazonicRidley> was just asking bc ubuntu mate would not work
[00:31] <momken23> b3zi, should I boot from win DVD then?
[00:31] <b3zi> ye
[00:31] <b3zi> But make sure it is doable in a cmd
[00:32] <b3zi> and also make sure that you don't click on install again
[00:32] <momken23> b3zi, I think it should be.  I hope it doesn't replace my grub
[00:33] <b3zi> And be aware that the sys terminal is higher in the hirarchy than the admin so don't mess around. I don't think it will replace it
[00:34] <momken23> b3zi, ok thanks ;)
[00:45] <backbox> tes
[01:04] <nolsen> After installing ubuntu 18.04 on my server, suddenly certain things like snap and git won't function anymore, with errors like  gnutls_handshake() failed: An unexpected TLS packet was received.
[01:04] <nolsen> s/installing/upgrading to
[01:04] <nolsen> git won't clone, and snap won't install
[01:04] <nolsen> and for snap: proxyconnect tcp: tls: oversized record received with length 20527
[01:04] <SlidingHorn> Cross posting from #winehq in case anyone here can help - Installed WINE from the repos (18.04), then installed python 2.7 in WINE, and an application (Streamlabs Chatbot) I want to use. Attempting to run that Application returns "0009:err:CLRRuntimeInfo_GetRuntimeHost Wine Mono is not installed" & cannot find anything recent re: installing wine mono
[01:08] <classywhetten> SldiginHorn: Most of use a frontend for wine like "Playonlinux"
[01:15] <Boyette> hi
[01:17] <xamithan> SlidingHorn: Anything wrong with the official directions?  https://wiki.winehq.org/Mono
[01:19] <Boyette> hmm i also have a question regarding mono
[01:20] <nolsen> Okay, I found the problem, it's the proxy server I had configured, but now, it won't let me remove it, even after removing it from network settings and /etc/enviroment
[01:20] <SlidingHorn> xamithan: I'm running the version from the Ubuntu repos - According to that page, the version I've installed should have installed it "automatically as needed"
[01:21] <shanemikel_> How do I tell ubuntu to use a different ego boot loader ID other than “ubuntu” by default
[01:21] <xamithan> I read that it would install as needed if you had the msi in one of those directories already
[01:21] <xamithan> It gives you the directories it checks,  and gives you download links
[01:21] <shanemikel_> I have a dual-boot now with 2 ubuntu systems and I’d like one to be “artful” and the other “bionic”
[01:22] <Bashing-om> !ask | Boyette
[01:23] <xamithan> You could also use winetricks or playonlinux to install it
[01:23] <Boyette> Im on ubuntu 18.04 have mono 4.6.2.7 installed but wanna update to latest mono 5.. however when i purge it all mono 4.6.2 keeps coming back.. what to do?
[01:23] <linux_> hello word
[01:24] <xamithan> Just a note as well,  the version of wine in the official repos is really really old
[01:25] <shanemikel_> I can reinstall grub with ‘—bootloader-id=...’ , but I’m worried if updates will mess it up
[01:28] <Bashing-om> shanemikel_: Back up the present /etc/default/grub and edit the line GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian` . replace the back tics with double quotation marks. amd between the quotes insert whatever you want as it's ID .
[01:28] <xamithan> Boyette: If you use the mono-project repo it should overwrite whatever is currently installed.  Thats how it works on 16.04 at least
[01:29] <Bashing-om> shanemikel_: Remember ' sudo update-grub
[01:29] <Boyette> i use apt-get install mono-complete / mono-runtime
[01:29] <shanemikel_> That’s for the dir name in the EFI partition?
[01:29] <Bashing-om> ' to propogate the change.
[01:29] <SlidingHorn> xamithan: While I'd prefer not to install from an outside (non-ubuntu) repo, it doesn't seem WINE has one for Bionic yet anyway :/
[01:30] <Bashing-om> shanemikel_: No experience with EFI .. maybe yes, maybe not so yes ..
[01:30] <Boyette> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv-keys 3FA7E0328081BFF6A14DA29AA6A19B38D3D831EF
[01:30] <Boyette> echo "deb https://download.mono-project.com/repo/ubuntu stable-bionic main" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mono-official-stable.list
[01:30] <Boyette> like this?
[01:30] <xamithan> Yeah
[01:33] <Bidoof> hello
[01:36] <Boyette> E: Malformed line 5 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mono-official-stable.list (type)
[01:36] <Boyette> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[01:41] <mortal1> howdy folks, i had to disassemble my laptop after spilling coffee on it last sunday.  after re-assembling it, and dealing with various loose cables, etc, when I boot now i get dumped into the initramfs
[01:41] <mortal1> and it says something along the lines of vg-group not found
[01:41] <mortal1> and drops me into initramfs
[01:43] <mortal1> i have a usb stick, but i'm not sure if it even has ubuntu installer on there anymore
[01:43] <mortal1> i don't seem to have fdisk on the linux laptop
[01:43] <Boyette> installing 5.10 now ubuntu is stupid
[01:43] <Boyette> have to explain everything
[01:43] <Boyette> thats why
[01:44] <mortal1> and i can't even plug the dang thing into the mac because i left my dongle at work (hurray usb c only ports!)
[01:44] <pavlos> Boyette: can you pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mono-official-stable.list
[01:44] <one_> hello
[01:50] <designbybeck3> trying to install 18.04 on a laptop. I booted to the Live USB to try it out, and then tried the install. I get an error ubi-partman failed with exit code 10
[01:50] <Boyette> https://pastebin.com/9Fztn8SE
[01:51] <designbybeck3> Says ubi-partman crashed
[01:51] <designbybeck3> this was on the Updates and other software section
[01:52] <Boyette> what kind of laptop desinbybeck
[01:52] <pavlos> Boyette: that was your sources.list not the sources.list.d/mono-official-stable.list
[01:52] <Guest28498> can some1 pls tell me a chat server pls idk what server is a chat server pls tell meh plsssssssssss
[01:52] <designbybeck3> Boyette: an Asus zenbook. It has 16.04 on it
[01:53] <Boyette> 1
[01:53] <Boyette> 2
[01:53] <Boyette> 3
[01:53] <Boyette> 4
[01:53] <Boyette> empty
[01:53] <designbybeck3> this worries me with 18.04 being a LTS!
[01:54] <Boyette> what about if you try to install without booting first to live environment
[01:54] <designbybeck3> Boyette:  i says I can continue anyway but that it might fail entirely or may be broken
[01:55] <Boyette> just continue
[01:55] <designbybeck3> I could dtry that boyette
[01:55] <Boyette> yes you should try
[01:55] <Boyette> mono-xamarin.list :
[01:55] <Boyette> deb http://download.mono-project.com/repo/debian wheezy main
[01:57] <pavlos> Boyette: you got an error on line 5 of mono-official-stable.list so I was trying to help
[01:58] <Boyette> line 5 is also empty
[01:58] <Boyette> the complete file is empty
[01:58] <Boyette> 5 empty lines
[01:58] <pavlos> Boyette: you had this E: Malformed line 5 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mono-official-stable.list (type)
[01:59] <pavlos> Boyette: echo "deb https://download.mono-project.com/repo/ubuntu stable-bionic main" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mono-official-stable.list
[01:59] <Bashing-om> Boyette: Reconsider your sources . See : http://download.mono-project.com/repo/debian and look at alpha-bionic/ .
[01:59] <pavlos> Boyette: should have created just one line
[02:00] <Bashing-om> Boyette: pavlos ^^ has the right of it .
[02:02] <pavlos> Boyette: see 18.04 section ... https://www.mono-project.com/download/stable/#download-lin
[02:03] <Boyette> thats what i did
[02:04] <xamithan> You didn't do it right if it is empty or has 5 lines.
[02:04] <Boyette> https://pastebin.com/DS9CpN1z
[02:07] <xamithan> You can always edit the file with nano or vim.  all you need is the "deb https://  "  part in there
[02:08] <pavlos> Boyette: you have the keys so it did not change anything
[02:09] <pavlos> Boyette: the second line should create a mono-official... under sources.list.d/ and should be one line
[02:10] <cryptz> can anyone assist with zfs import issue in 18.04. My pool is comprised of nvme drives. the system seems to be attempting the import before the drives are available. error is zfs-import-cache "one or more devices is currently unavailable" if i run a manual zfs import manually there is no issue
[02:18] <momken2> b3zi-
[02:19] <momken2> At last I could successfully "disable driver signature enforcement" in dual booted win 10
[02:20] <momken2> typical graphical solutions don't work for a win 10 entered by grub
[02:21] <momken2> I had to use "bcdedit" commands in Administration cmd of win 10
[02:22] <momken2> But it didn't work out of the box because it said "system cannot find the file specified"
[02:25] <slyrus> so I've got one box that upgraded to bionic behavior, and another where I can't (successfully) get past the login screen. any suggestions on how to go about debugging this?
[02:25] <momken2> The trick was to use command "bcdedit /store b:\Boot\BCD {rest of typical bcdedit command}"
[02:26] <slyrus> umm... bionic beaver that is...
[02:26] <momken2> Where b: is the mounted "Windows System Reserved" partition which actually contains bcd file of windows
[02:27] <momken2> reference: https://askubuntu.com/questions/135509/how-would-i-boot-into-the-ubuntu-and-windows-recovery-modes-if-i-removed-the-opt
[02:27] <ubuntuhelpplease> \o
[02:29] <ubuntuhelpplease> I need some assistance. I am attempting to boot from a USB that contains the ubuntu iso, and I keep getting a boot error.
[02:31] <ubuntuhelpplease> I have tried both the 64bit 18.04 version, and the torrented 32bit 16.04 version. I'm using rufus.akeo.ie to format the boot drive.
[02:32] <ubuntuhelpplease> Every time I attempt to boot from the drive, it just says "Boot Error"
[02:33] <ubuntuhelpplease> I'm wondering if I need a different version or something, since the computer is about 10 years old and stil running XP.
[02:33] <pavlos> specs of that old XP?
[02:33] <xamithan> Some really old machines hate usb boot
[02:34] <lol-md5> I accidentally interrupted do-release-upgrade. Now I'm running dpkg --configure -a
[02:34] <lol-md5> i got a bunch of errors like these though: dpkg: error processing package libfwup1:amd64 (--configure):
[02:34] <lol-md5>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[02:35] <ubuntuhelpplease> I honestly don't know, let me pull up properties.
[02:36] <ubuntuhelpplease> Which specs are you looking for?
[02:39] <pavlos> trying to find if you need 32bit
[02:42] <eaglgenes101> I've managed to find that with my touchpad, it causes vertical jumps if I move it diagonally at moderate speed
[02:42] <eaglgenes101> How can I fix thi?
[02:43] <ubuntuhelpplease> It looks like memory is 1024 Mbytes
[02:43] <ubuntuhelpplease> cache size is 32 Kbytes
[02:44] <ubuntuhelpplease> It's an intel Core 2 Duo E4500, if that means anything.
[02:45] <pavlos> sure, E4500 is ok but 1G ram not good
[02:45] <ubuntuhelpplease> That's what my PC properties says.
[02:46] <pavlos> maybe you can try lite versions ... Xubuntu/Lubuntu
[02:46] <ubuntuhelpplease> Surely there's a way to allocate more to ram
[02:46] <mxb> how to change max open files in ubuntu ?
[02:47] <pavlos> if all you have is 1GB stick of ram, how can you make more?
[02:48] <pavlos> mxb: man ulimit
[02:48] <spikebike> anyone else notice that all the icons/images in thunderbird on 18.04 are HUGE!
[02:49] <spikebike> the dkim lock symbol is huge, and when people include unicode or whatever referneces to images in the subject: they come out as huge images that overlay the index pane
[02:49] <eaglgenes101> Libinput wayland, my touchpad has a tendency of jumping vertically when I move on the touchpad diagonally
[02:49] <pavlos> mxb: https://www.tecmint.com/increase-set-open-file-limits-in-linux/
[02:49] <eaglgenes101> Any ideas about how to fix this?
[02:49] <spikebike> New from Codecademy: Data Visualization with Python 🐍
[02:49] <spikebike> like that one
[02:50] <ubuntuhelpplease> I have only 1gb ram, but I have 300 gigs memory, can you not allocate memory to ram?
[02:50] <pavlos> you mean 300G of disk?
[02:50] <eaglgenes101> You can dedicate more swap, but swap is a few orders of magnitude slower than ram
[02:50] <eaglgenes101> So it's diminishing returns
[02:51] <spikebike> heh, more than a few
[02:51] <spreeuw> when you hit the swapfile with load, your box is finished
[02:51] <spikebike> ram = 60ns, disk often 10-15ms
[02:51] <spreeuw> inoperable
[02:51] <pavlos> disk is usually 1000x slower than ram
[02:52] <spikebike> pavlos: more like 1,000,000
[02:52] <spreeuw> check ubuntus minimum requirements
[02:52] <spikebike> 60ns * 1000 = 60 microseconds
[02:53] <Captain_Crow> is unity gnome 3 based now?
[02:53] <spreeuw> its no longer unity
[02:53] <spreeuw> it is some kind of modded gnome 3 launcher
[02:53] <spreeuw> equally unusable
[02:54] <pavlos> spikebike: correct ms is 10^-3 where nano is 10^-9, a diff of 10^6
[02:54] <spikebike> spreeuw: not so bad if you tune it
[02:54] <spreeuw> tuned xfce4 instead
[02:54] <spikebike> I've used xfce, prefer the 18.04 default + tuning.
[02:54] <spikebike> in particular I want a 2x2 workspace
[02:56] <Captain_Crow> on mint i found a lot of software packages that are so out of date that they've stopped working years ago, is it the same situation in ubuntu or are ubuntu packages maintained better?
[02:57] <Bashing-om> !latest | Captain_Crow \
[02:57] <spikebike> depends on the repo you use
[02:59] <Captain_Crow> i know they're not the latest, but i mean are a new set of packages tested on each new lts for compatability?
[02:59] <Boyette> sorry i was afk
[03:04] <Captain_Crow> does ubuntu ever have broken packages that are from like 2-3 lts ago?
[03:04] <spikebike> yes
[03:05] <spikebike> usually in universe, and the maintainer hasn't been keeping up
[03:05] <Captain_Crow> in universe?
[03:05] <spikebike> or maybe it's multiverse
[03:05] <spikebike> one of the ubuntu repos
[03:06] <spikebike> the "main" repo is IMO up to date and well maintained.
[03:06] <spikebike> but it's hit or miss on the volunteer run repos
[03:09] <Captain_Crow> is there a web page for previewing the software manager?
[03:11] <lol-md5> so i interrupted do-release-upgrade by accident
[03:11] <lol-md5> am i fucked
[03:11] <lol-md5> or can i resume
[03:14] <SlidingHorn> lol-md5: I get that you're worried and frustrated, but please keep the language family-friendly :)  I'm looking around online to see if I can answer your question
[03:15] <lol-md5> sorry SlidingHorn and thanks
[03:15] <alumno_> hoa
[03:15] <alumno_> Hola
[03:17] <lol-md5> hm i ran apt dist-upgrade and it recommended apt --fix-broken install
[03:17] <SlidingHorn> lol-md5: This is from 16.04, but maybe it might be helpful - I can't make any guarantees, as this is the worst possible time to have a process interrupted - https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2345808
[03:18] <lol-md5> ok, running sudo apt dist-upgrade --fix-broken
[03:18] <lol-md5> lets hope this helps
[03:18] <SlidingHorn> lol-md5: the answers on that thread are from people who know their stuff and I trust
[03:19] <lol-md5> ok thanks SlidingHorn
[03:22] <mxb> how to change "uLimit -Sn=1024" to "uLimit -Sn=64000" permanently?
[03:39] <lol-md5> i guess my tor was upgrading so i disconnected
[03:49] <StoneCypher> hey, pretty new to ubuntu, usually a centos person.  having a hard time routing to a webserver onboard.  did disable ufw.  what else do i need to look for?
[03:51] <riex> cd /home
[03:51] <lol-md5> ok time to reboot SlidingHorn
[03:51] <lol-md5> thanks for the help
[04:47] <Captain_Crow> is there no 32bit for 18.04?
[04:51] <EriC^> Captain_Crow: in the alternative installer there is
[04:52] <EriC^> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/18.04/?_ga=2.160100349.112744162.1525323097-1480866200.1517297008
[04:54] <ikkuranus> is it normal that ext4 has less formatted capacity than ntfs and is it possible to not suffer that loss of space?
[04:56] <spexi> Hi! How can I get the top bar to appear in all displays? Currently working with laptop with an another monitor, and only the laptop display has the top bar. Using Ubuntu 18.04
[04:59] <pavlos> can you mirror the displays?
[05:00] <phocking> hey does the lamp-server package install phpmyadmin?
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> !lamp | phocking start here
[05:03] <EriC^> phocking: what's the lamp server package name
[05:12] <spexi> pavlos: I don't want to mirror displays, I would like to use two displays and just have the top bar on both :)
[05:16] <nacc> phocking: you mean the task, not package
[05:16] <nacc> ikkuranus: ext4 reserves 5%
[05:17] <ikkuranus> that's pretty big on a 4TB drive
[05:20] <qwerty> hella
[05:21] <qwerty> anyone out there>???
[05:21] <SlidingHorn> !ask | qwerty
[05:21] <qwerty> first  gimme a proof that u guys are not bots.(i dont talk to bits)
[05:22] <qwerty> bots*
[05:22] <ikkuranus> there we go. mkfs.ext4 -m 0 -N 4000000 /dev/sdx1
[05:22] <ikkuranus> roughly the same capacity
[05:22] <qwerty> seems like a robo cop
[05:22]  * SlidingHorn has no time for trolls...gives up
[05:22] <qwerty> okok
[05:23] <qwerty> i installed chromium yesterday nd it wont open. dont knw why
[05:24] <qwerty> any soln.?
[05:24] <phocking> nacc:
[05:24] <SlidingHorn> qwerty: Which version & flavor of ubuntu are you running?  How are you trying to open it?
[05:24] <qwerty> ubuntu 18.04 lts
[05:24] <phocking> the lamp-server^ with apt-get install is a task not a package?
[05:25] <phocking> i thought it was a metapackage
[05:25] <phocking> i've never seen ^ before
[05:25] <phocking> im accustomed to using tasksel
[05:25] <qwerty> what do u mean? i opened using my app drawer :/
[05:25] <ikkuranus> screen is so useful
[05:26] <qwerty> @slidinghorn ?
[05:26] <qwerty> how to mention someone here?
[05:27] <ikkuranus> that's kind of client specific
[05:27] <guiverc> qwerty: you just use their 'nick' in your response
[05:28] <qwerty> btw Anyone facing blank screen in the new ubuntu 18.04 ???? actually when i type a wrng passwrd to log in it just take me to a blank screen
[05:29] <qwerty> guiverc .
[05:29] <qwerty> guiverc thx
[05:29] <qwerty> somebody repond to my problem plox
[05:29] <guiverc> :)    (ps: patience helps here, volunteers are usually doing other things & check in here when they can)
[05:31] <qwerty> okies. btw how do they get notified? and also the ui here is pretty old, dont u guys think it boring? guiverc
[05:31] <guiverc> qwerty: i'd suggest opening a term (ctrl+alt+t) and try running from there, hoping that'd provide some clues (hidden by gui); however chromium gives warnings & not all errors may be shown - you could try it.
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> qwerty: details plz? graphics card chipset? wayland/xorg? driver?
[05:32] <SlidingHorn> qwerty: also, exactly which method did you use to install it?
[05:32] <SlidingHorn> (chromium-browser) qwerty
[05:32] <qwerty> actually the app is instaiing properly but the thing is it wont open after a reboot
[05:32] <qwerty> i installed it using ubuntu software (store)
[05:32] <qwerty> yeah chromium browser sur
[05:33] <qwerty> m using chrome now ,but dont knw the exact method to update it. its kind of mesy in linux
[05:33] <qwerty> i mean it wont just update frm about section(like in windwos)
[05:33] <SlidingHorn> qwerty: are you talking about chrome, or chromium-browser?  These are two different browsers
[05:34] <qwerty> i knw
[05:34] <qwerty> i tried oth slidinghorn'
[05:34] <qwerty> both
[05:34] <SlidingHorn> ...which are you asking about? qwerty
[05:34] <qwerty> tell the procedure to update chrome(when evr a new update arrives)
[05:35] <SlidingHorn> sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[05:35] <qwerty> just this command?
[05:35] <SlidingHorn> that's how you update software in ubuntu
[05:35] <meitei> i would like to gain something knowledege on ubuntu
[05:35] <qwerty> how would i knw abt the new update then? :D
[05:35] <qwerty> it wont notify me haha
[05:36] <qwerty> slidinghorn  sedly I like gui
[05:36] <SlidingHorn> qwerty: you should regularly update your system - also, if there are important updates, there should be a notification in your notification area
[05:36] <qwerty> so hardly use terminal
[05:36] <meitei> how to get rid of booting slow\
[05:36] <qwerty> what do u mn? the software update will givve me notification abt CHROME update
[05:37] <qwerty> ????? is that u sayin?
[05:37] <SlidingHorn> qwerty: just know that you're using an LTS distro, meaning that you'll essentially be using the same version of the package through most of its lifetime, barring any security fixes, etc.
[05:37] <guiverc> qwerty: forget what i said about the terminal, read & answer what others have asked
[05:37] <SlidingHorn> !latest > qwerty this is what SlidingHorn meant about LTS and using the same version
[05:38] <qwerty> lel. but I still find it difficult to update chrome on linux :'(
[05:38] <SlidingHorn> oops...
[05:38] <SlidingHorn> !latest > qwerty
[05:38] <qwerty> didnt received any .
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> meitei: you can do few things for boot speed: install preload, disabled unwanted services, clean system
[05:39] <SlidingHorn> !latest | qwerty
[05:39] <meitei> what is that preload
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> !info preload | meitei
[05:40] <qwerty> but M not talking abt os updates. all I want is chrome to up to date . (i knw its a package too but I think google pushes updates for all the os at the same time
[05:40] <qwerty> 0
[05:40] <qwerty> .....................
[05:41] <SlidingHorn> qwerty: read what the ubottu message that mentioned you said.  It's talking about individual packages (like chrome)
[05:41] <meitei> can u please tell me the process to download the preload
[05:41] <qwerty> u said latest update is not a gud idea, do u hv the same opinion when it comes to browsers like chrome?
[05:43] <SlidingHorn> qwerty: as I've said more than once - if there are security vulnerabilities or major bugs that are fixed, then there will be an update to the package.  Otherwise, for the sake of stability, you will be using the same version of chrome through most of the LTS's lifetime
[05:43] <SlidingHorn> qwerty: please don't private message me.
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> meitei: sudo apt install preload then reboot your system
[05:43] <qwerty> ok :(
[05:44] <qwerty> stability is not my priority, security is
[05:45] <qwerty> latand latest version of chrome is what security stands for
[05:45] <SlidingHorn> qwerty: security fixes will be offered, and you will be notified of them when they're released.
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> qwerty: latest doesnt mean secure
[05:46] <qwerty> even when it comes to browsers???????????????????????????????
[05:46] <qwerty> m surptised
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> !latest | qwerty
[05:46] <qwerty> surprised*
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> qwerty: you confuse latest features with security updates
[05:48] <qwerty> latest update of a browser can hv securiity fixes  too
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> qwerty: that doesnt mean a previous browser does not
[05:49] <uwjesq> Hello. I am on Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS
[05:49] <qwerty> no one's getting me :(
[05:49] <uwjesq> There are newer LTS releases though if I understand correctly.
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> qwerty: its your state of mind, that needs a change
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | uwjesq
[05:50] <qwerty> uwjesq is an example of secure and bug less user..........
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> qwerty: please only support question in this channel
[05:50] <qwerty> m  I correct
[05:50] <SlidingHorn> qwerty: no, you're not.
[05:50] <qwerty> i hv doubts which m clearing .:/
[05:51] <uwjesq> lotuspsychje: Ah I see. Then I am as upgraded as can be right now. Thanks for the help!
[05:52] <qwerty> slidinghorn remember ur wrds.
[05:52] <qwerty> lol
[05:52] <SlidingHorn> qwerty: Nothing to remember - You asked if you were correct.  I said no.
[05:52] <qwerty> but why?
[05:53] <SlidingHorn> qwerty: and we've explained why multiple times now
[05:53] <qwerty> thats what u said to me
[05:53] <guiverc> uwjesq: 18.04.1 is expected 26-july-2018 - expect update suggestions then https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule
[05:53] <qwerty> latest update has sm minoor bugs (which means unstable lol)
[05:54] <qwerty> minor*
[05:54] <geirha> chrome is a bad example though, since ubuntu doesn't have it in its package repositories
[05:54] <SlidingHorn> qwerty: older versions of the browser will still be provided with security updates when required.  Your concern is security.  That explanation addresses your concern.
[05:55] <geirha> google's package repositories for ubuntu has its own policies on when and how to update the chrome browser
[05:55] <qwerty> can u put os in place of browser? mr slidinghorn
[05:55] <Guest30509> where is linuxmint 19 beta?
[05:55] <SlidingHorn> !mint | Guest30509
[05:56] <qwerty> ubuntu 16.04 lts for e.g
[05:57] <SlidingHorn> qwerty: security updates for the software contained in 16.04 are maintained and provided through the life of the release.  Newer *versions* (read: features) are available on the 18.04 release, but that doesn't mean that you're necessarily more secure using the version in the 18.04 release than the 16.04 release
[05:58] <SlidingHorn> qwerty: as lotuspsychje said earlier - you're confusing "new features" for being "more secure" and that's simply not the case.
[06:00] <qwerty> thx  , tq so much for ur support. it really helped me to understand thing thing called" linux".
[06:00] <qwerty> hope u get me LOL
[06:00] <SlidingHorn> qwerty: also, if French is your native language:
[06:01] <SlidingHorn> !fr | qwerty
[06:01] <uwjesq> guiverc: Thank you.
[06:01] <SlidingHorn> :)
[06:02] <qwerty> slidinghorn glad to see u talk like a human.ps: dont get me wrong HHHHH
[06:03] <SlidingHorn> qwerty: you're welcome here :)  Just wanted to present the option to you in case it would be easier
[06:04] <qwerty> :)
[06:05] <eddyready> Hi, I am getting screen tearing on a Dell 7480 laptop but no tearing on a Lenovo T460s. Both running 18.04. Any idea as to why? Dell uses the onboard intel HD graphics 620 whereas the Lenovo uses the onboard intel HD graphics 520
[06:06] <qwerty> slidinghorm is there any Indian channel available? cuz m not french
[06:27] <sliddis> Hello im on ubuntu 17.10 BUDGIE desktop. I want to upgrade to 18.04 with gnome desktop
[06:27] <sliddis> whats the procedure?
[06:28] <raub> Has anyone used x11vnc?
[06:31] <sondre> When running "sudo update-initramfs -u" I get this output: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7NKXVpSP6k/
[06:31] <raub> It acts like it cannot find the display
[06:31] <sondre> How can I troubleshoot these errors?
[06:33] <uwjesq> Thank you guys. Have a nice day.
[06:35] <mortrols> yoyoma
[06:41] <guiverc> sondre: where you still here https://askubuntu.com/questions/809947/update-initramfs-missing-lib-modules-4-4-0-13-generic may help...
[06:53] <isene> sondre: I enabled secure boot and both packages installed just fine
[07:01] <parapan> Hi all; is there something wrong with ubuntu 16.04 LTS ? I cannot update either from local sources or from archive.ubuntu.com .....it loads 0% and nothing happens ...
[07:08] <parapan> Hi all; is there something wrong with ubuntu 16.04 LTS ? I cannot update either from local sources or from archive.ubuntu.com .....it loads 0% and nothing happens ...
[07:11] <tangarora> anyone knoe how to add wallpaper to the gnome shell theme? Like in windows, where you have a complete theme with sound, wallpaper, and color?
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> !theme | tangarora
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> parapan: are you behind a router or firewall?
[07:18] <SlidingHorn> lotuspsychje: ubottu's still down
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> SlidingHorn: yeah reported it tnx :p
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> sliddis: best to clean install 18.04 with gnome
[07:29] <parapan> lotuspsychje: please disregard man.
[07:30] <parapan> it started to work after letting it run for 3-4 minutes
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> parapan: oh great
[07:30] <parapan> don't know why ....
[07:30] <parapan> and I cannot even blame Bill Gates for it :D
[07:37] <c_cinap> Did something change as to where you look for ufw logs since 12.10?
[07:38] <c_cinap> i used to be able to look at any connection that came to the machine whether it was accepted or rejected. Now I cannot seem to find those logs.
[07:39] <meitei> please tell me how to delete any cache file and other useless things by using command
[07:40] <dithmer> Um. How shall we know what you define as "useless"?
[07:41] <meitei> i meant any useless file and folders
[07:41] <dithmer> And "cache and useless" files depends on what software you are using.
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> !info bleachbit | meitei
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> meitei: sudo apt install bleachbit
[07:42] <meitei> thank u friends i will try by installing that apt.
[07:44] <tytan> Hello everyone, I just installed Ubuntu Server 18.04 LTS and I noticed there is no package selection for LAMP or VM Host anymore. Is this handled differently now?
[07:45] <o> ho
[07:45] <o> hi hoes
[07:45] <Guest74739> IM TYRONE
[07:49] <c_cinap> what happened to the /var/log/messages file?
[07:54] <tytan> Do I have to run tasksel now to get all that?
[07:55] <mjrosenb> how do I configure which lvm volumies get activated at boot?
[07:56] <mjrosenb> this system has swap on swap_1, which is not getting activated at boot
[07:56] <mjrosenb> which is causing the whole boot process to hang
[07:56] <mjrosenb> on 18.04
[07:56] <mjrosenb> upgraded from 17.10
[07:57] <Norux> I tried to ping a linux computer in my local network, but it doesn't respond. Now I'm not sure if I got the right address. How can I get it? `ifconfig`?
[07:58] <tytan> Norux: do you have access to that machine?
[07:58] <Norux> tytan: yes
[07:58] <tytan> Norux: ip a s
[07:59] <Norux> tytan: actually, I don't have internet connection at all on that computer
[08:00] <Norux> at least it seems like it
[08:00] <tytan> Norux: Do you at least see interfaces?
[08:00] <Norux> tytan: yes, but I can't paste them.
[08:01] <mjrosenb> for some reason, it activates root fine
[08:03] <mxb> how to change "ulimit -Sn=1024" to "ulimit -Sn=64000" ,
[08:04] <tytan> Norux: can you "ping 1.1" from that machine?
[08:05] <Norux> tytan: nope, "network is unreachable"
[08:06] <Tegu> eh, how does ping interpret 1.1 btw?
[08:07] <Norux> Tegu: it says 1.0.0.1 for me
[08:07] <Tegu> Norux: ah yea.. interesting. I didn't know about such shorthand with IPv4 addresses
[08:07] <Norux> Tegu: me neither :D
[08:09] <crandon> Hi! Trying to find information around the net about multitouch support (on touchpad and touchscreen) in current release. I guess I know the said situation, but could one confirm: while with unity you could get multitouch gestures to work, with current gnome based 18.04 only two finger scrolling on the touchpad is what's working.
[08:09] <tytan> read the documentation to TCP IP then ^^
[08:09] <mjrosenb> for some reason, when I try to manually run lvchange -a y swap_1
[08:09] <mjrosenb> it hangs
[08:09] <mjrosenb> but if I kill -9 it
[08:09] <mjrosenb> then run it again
[08:09] <Tegu> tytan: please link the corresponding documentation or standard if there is one
[08:09] <mjrosenb> it exits immediately, and the LV is activated.
[08:10] <tytan> Norux: I'm sorry, but I dont know how to help you with that right now
[08:10]  * tytan if there is one ... lmao
[08:10] <Norux> tytan: okay thanks anyways.
[08:11] <Norux> Maybe EriC^^ can help?
[08:11] <Tegu> okay, this steered me towards man page of inet_aton  https://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/7cf0zp/documentation_of_the_behavior_of_shorthand_ipv4/
[08:11] <tytan> +
[08:12] <Tegu> and it indeed documents the notation. but they say that it's not based on a standard
[08:12] <Tegu> the reddit page, that is. the manpage does not mention standards
[08:13] <tytan> it gets even more interesting for ipv6 ... well standard is a strange term anyways. what is standard? something that we all can use is standard to me at least.
[08:14] <Tegu> well, at least the usage of of :: in IPv6 addresses is documented in an RFC: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4291#section-2.2
[08:15] <Tegu> anyhow, back to your pinging and network unreachable :)
[08:16] <SwedeMike> Tegu: I'd imagine the behaviour of 1.1 is documented in the POSIX standard, since all POSIX platforms I am aware of, does the same.
[08:18] <tytan> Tegu: Hey, I just found out that "ping 1.1" is not defined in the ipv4 standard. This is more like a system functionality. Sorry for causing confusion
[08:18] <mxb> how to change max open files in ubuntu
[08:19] <Norux> tytan: fixed my internet connection. /etc/network/interfaces was not configured right.
[08:20] <tytan> Norux: damn that was too easy. what was missing? a gateway?
[08:20] <tytan> I assume you just didn't get an ip adress since you couldn't ping the client
[08:21] <Bugzie> Hmm
[08:21] <Norux> tytan: The wrong interface was configured for dhcp. I don't know much about that stuff though
[08:22] <tytan> Norux: dw, you're on it.
[08:22] <sondre> Hi guys! I'm currently in 18.04 (upgraded from 16.04), but I'm experiencing so much issues that I just want to reinstall everything. Currently I have dual boot with Windows 10, but now I just want to install Ubuntu alone. What's the best way to do this?
[08:24] <Norux> sondre: first, definitely do a backup of your data
[08:24] <tytan> sondre: download ubuntu > install > select entire disk > follow instructions
[08:25] <sondre> Norux: Yes, I've done backup on everything I want to keep
[08:25] <Norux> sondre: well then you're good, go ahead and follow tytan's instructions
[08:25] <sondre> tytan: So just like a normal install and boot with usb?
[08:25] <Tegu> wha? select entire disk? wouldn't that delete the existing windows 10 as well?
[08:26] <Norux> sondre: yes, you can then choose how much disk space is used
[08:26] <tytan> Tegu: isn't that what he wants?
[08:26] <Tegu> no
[08:26] <Tegu> "... but now I just want to install Ubuntu alone"
[08:26] <Norux> sondre: do you want to overwrite your existing windows installation with ubuntu, or do you want to still have dual boot
[08:27] <sondre> Tegu: Sorry! I ment what tytan said. I don't need windows anymore
[08:27] <Tegu> oh, okay
[08:27] <tytan> alone = just ubuntu without win10 I guess
[08:27] <mjrosenb> ok, apparently, that whole thing with swap_1 not being activated was just the recovery environment?
[08:27] <Norux> sondre: you can proceed by simply installing from usb/cd/whatever then :+1:
[08:27] <Tegu> I thought that (re)installing ubuntu alone and not windows 10
[08:27] <mjrosenb> however, it looks like the kernel cannot resume from this swap partition :-/
[08:30] <sondre> Thanks! Then i'll proceed with that and live a happy life :D
[08:30] <CQ> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox-ext-pack/+bug/1767402 ...can someone with commit privs look at this? it seems to be a simple fix...
[08:30] <tytan> sondre: If you ever feel the need to use Windows 10, take a look at KVM/QEMU
[08:32] <tekko> o/
[08:32] <aLeSD> hi there
[08:32] <sondre> tytan: Thanks, I'll check it out
[08:32] <aLeSD> problems: qtcreator from the qt webpage show enormous fonts
[08:34] <aLeSD> help
[08:34] <tekko> Hi all, I have a problem installing Ubuntu 18.04 on my Thinkpad T440s... System is unbootable now. It first says, it's booting in Insecure Mode and then some error, something like: Boot000FF or something like that. I installed using "Erase entire disk" option. Any help is appreciated.
[08:35] <spikebike> does your bios have a EFI and legacy boot mode option?
[08:35] <tekko> spikebike: Secure Boot is off in the BIOS, but option to boot UEFI first is enabled
[08:36] <tekko> legacy is allowed of course
[08:36] <spikebike> When it fails I often try the legacy install (not the EFI install)
[08:36] <tekko> I've tried the installation process several times with no avail
[08:37] <spikebike> EFI and non?
[08:37] <sondre> mokutil --enable-validation? tekko
[08:37] <tekko> I haven't tried Legacy
[08:38] <tekko> sondre thanks, will try
[08:38] <tekko> any other ideas?
[08:38] <sondre> Try to boot in recovery mode, then in cli to enable secure boot just write mokutil --enable-validation. It worked for me atleast
[08:40] <tekko> sondre GRUB won't start at all
[08:41] <tekko> sondre I can only boot from USB
[08:41] <mjrosenb> any ideas about how I can figure out why I can't resume from a swap partition on lvm?
[08:42] <sondre> tekko: Oh I see
[08:54] <mjrosenb> does the current method of resuming from swap still use resume=foobar as a kernel parameter?
[08:56] <dueyfinster> Hi all.  I'm testing ERC!
[08:56] <Tegu> what is ERC?
[08:57] <dueyfinster> @Tegu Emacs IRC Client
[08:57] <Tegu> ah, I see
[08:58] <dueyfinster> Kinda weird to be using an operating system that's not Ubuntu!
[09:01] <maz3max> was anyone able to run gnucash 3 on ubuntu 16.04?
[09:04] <Norux> why can't i message ubottu
[09:04] <Norux> !test
[09:05] <SlidingHorn> Norux: ubottu is down at the moment
[09:05] <Norux> SlidingHorn: Oh.
[09:06] <Norux> SlidingHorn: Even a bot needs to get some rest sometimes.
[09:06] <maz3max> nevermind
[09:08] <Lorphos> Since "do-release-upgrade" doesn't allow upgrading to 18.04 yet, can I just use "do-release-upgrade -d"?
[09:09] <Norux> Lorphos: you can
[09:10] <Lorphos> and I won't get a beta or prerelease, right?
[09:11] <SlidingHorn> Lorphos: is there any reason you can't wait til the .1 release?
[09:11] <Lorphos> yeah, i want to help find bugs in the .0 release
[09:12] <Lorphos> besides, I want to test my software with it
[09:15] <SlidingHorn> Lorphos: why not a VM?  If you do go the -d route, though, make sure you back up your system
[09:16] <Lorphos> do you think data loss is likely?
[09:21] <SlidingHorn> Lorphos: I have no idea - I just know that if I were upgrading in an unsupported manner, I'd be sure to back up anything I would be upset that I lost
[09:21] <Lorphos> can't hurt for sure
[09:34] <Norux> SlidingHorn, Lorphos: always backup before any upgrade
[09:35] <Norux> i destroyed my grub once because my computer crashed during `update-grub`
[09:35] <bkhl> And, you know, regularly regardless of upgrades … ;-)
[09:35] <Norux> bkhl: that, too :D
[09:41] <MonkeyDust> !repairgrub
[09:41] <MonkeyDust> !grubrepair
[09:41] <SlidingHorn> MonkeyDust: ubottu is resting
[09:42] <MonkeyDust> seems so
[09:43] <SlidingHorn> MonkeyDust: this might be what you were looking forhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[09:45] <anonuserxxx_> Hello, i have a question : i have a hostapd AP running on a Banana Pi and redirecting all the wlan trafic to Tor (all is working). But i would like to log (because of the law) because it's an open AP. The problem is : how to get the trafic ip destination and log it ? ##### thanks (when i say trafic destination, im talking, of course, about the first tor node)
[09:46] <SlidingHorn> anonuserxxx_: what version and flavor OS?
[09:47] <anonuserxxx_> Linux debian 4.9.0-6-armmp-lpae #1 SMP Debian 4.9.88-1 (2018-04-29) armv7l GNU/Linux
[09:47] <anonuserxxx_> and ty for answering
[09:47] <Norux> This is ubuntu
[09:47] <anonuserxxx_> oh ::
[09:47] <SlidingHorn> anonuserxxx_: you'll have to check #debian (their official channel is on OFTC, but there's a channel here too)
[09:47] <anonuserxxx_> :/
[09:47] <anonuserxxx_> ok
[09:48] <cfhowlett> !debian | anonuserxxx_, debian has a support channel
[09:48] <anonuserxxx_> ok ok
[09:48] <SlidingHorn> cfhowlett: ubottu is RIP
[09:48] <Norux> cfhowlett: ubottu is sleeping
[09:48] <MonkeyDust> anonuserxxx_  and there's also #raspberrypi
[09:49] <Norux> SlidingHorn: He's just taking a little nap!
[09:49] <anonuserxxx_> ubuntu, debian... it's the same... it's linux
[09:49] <MonkeyDust> Norux  ubottu is a she
[09:49] <Norux> MonkeyDust: Oh!
[09:50] <cfhowlett> anonuserxxx_, common mistaken thinking.  in fact, ubuntu is NOT debian nor the reverse.  Happily, debian does offer irc support on #debian
[09:53] <netochka> anybody knows how to change keyboard shortcuts in ubuntu 18.04?
[09:55] <mjrosenb> ok, I gave up on using a swap partition and have attempted to migrate to using a swap file
[09:56] <mjrosenb> I assume suspending/resuming from these is supported?
[10:08] <MonkeyDust> FYI https://www.ubuntushop.be/index.php/en/test-ubuntu.html
[10:10] <john_rambo> Hi,I have edited >>/usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop ...added firejail to exec line ...WHen I add Firefox to favorites it launches without firejail
[10:11] <brainwash> mjrosenb: supported as in possible? probably if you configure it properly
[10:14] <brainwash> john_rambo: one would think that the exact same launcher is used
[10:15] <Kon-> Hi, a broken package has shipped in the repos for both Artful and Bionic. The fix is to install a version from a PPA packaged for Xenial
[10:16] <john_rambo> brainwash, After adding firejail to /usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop ....I tried removing FF from favorites and adding again but same thing
[10:16] <Kon-> The package in question is pulseaudio-equalizer, and the functional version is in ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8. I don't know why a broken version has shipped with current releases in the official repo
[10:17] <cfhowlett> did you file a bug report Kon- ?
[10:17] <Kon-> I don't know Ubuntu's bug reporting procedure
[10:18] <cfhowlett> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[10:19] <Kon-> Thank you
[10:19] <brainwash> john_rambo: is that with gnome or unity? in case it's gnome I would check the output of "dconf read /org/gnome/shell/favorite-apps"
[10:20] <john_rambo> brainwash, https://paste2.org/16YLvIZZ
[10:22] <brainwash> john_rambo: so, that should be your altered firefox.desktop
[10:23] <john_rambo> brainwash, But when I launch FF from favorites  menu it launches without firejail sandbox
[10:24] <brainwash> mmh. I would do a simple test and change the Exec line to something different, like gnome-terminal
[10:25] <brainwash> see if that opens firefox or gnome-terminal
[10:25] <john_rambo> Okay
[10:26] <brainwash> when pinned as favorite app
[10:26] <john_rambo> Rebooting to see if that changes anything
[10:30] <royal_screwup21> I'm reading the dev guide to install android studio on linux here https://developer.android.com/studio/install#linux and I don't understand one thing. They say to unzip the.zip file inside /usr/local, and the very next point says that after you do that, you should go to ~/android-studio/bin. My question is: how does android-studio/bin get created i
[10:30] <royal_screwup21> n the home directory, when all the stuff was extracted inside /usr/local?
[10:32] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:41] <Guest24377> like to looki looki
[10:42] <Guest24377> vol da gaga
[10:51] <qswz> boot time takes more and more time, when I installed a fresh ubuntu 2 months ago it was bloazing fast, now like 20s
[10:51] <ElPresidente> my ubuntu died
[10:57] <Cyclone> cyclone
[11:09] <Globalirc> hello all. i installed ubuntu 16.04 with plesk but i don't have the space what i want when i give df -H i get this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dpsmyZsVJ6/ , but when i look what is the size of the hard with lsblk i have 900+GB Free https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mXgDkbY4hg/  how i can allocate more space to the server ? anyone can guide me with this problem ? thanks.
[11:11] <longword> Your free space should be visible from the vgdisplay command
[11:11] <longword> lvextend can add space to existing filesystems
[11:13] <Globalirc> longword i have 900+gb https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ynvtNfmdFw/
[11:13] <Globalirc> longword now i will try to add space to the root server where i have on / just 4.2 gb
[11:15] <spikebike> 4GB is pretty large if /home, /var, /opt, and /usr are seperate
[11:15] <spikebike> about the only thing I can think of that would fill / would be /boot and an occasional apt autoremove will keep that in check
[11:16] <Globalirc> spikebike i wanna install an game server what have 18+GB space requirement and he get space error thats how i find i don't have enought space allocated
[11:16] <spikebike> and what dir is the game server going in?
[11:17] <spikebike> normally that woudl be /home, /opt, or /var
[11:17] <Globalirc> i do a new user /home/newuser
[11:17] <spikebike> then make /home bigger, not /
[11:18] <Globalirc> yes thats i find at the response of longword with the commands provided i find a tut on google how to
[11:19] <spikebike> personally I'd just make / 900G
[11:19] <spikebike> seems kinda silly to split it up in such small pieces
[11:22] <Globalirc> yes thats i was thinking but the hosting do the partition alone from installation panel
[11:22] <Globalirc> 1and1 hosting
[11:24] <spikebike> 20+ years ago filesystems where primiative enough to benefit.  These days it's just annoying because it's hard to guess what fraction for each directory you'll need ahead of time
[11:25] <Globalirc> ohh nice thanks longword and spikebike for hints provided i manage to add needed space /dev/mapper/vg00-home  497G   21M  477G   1% /home
[11:25] <Cheez> Globalirc: hmm, i have a server with 1and1 and it doesn't prescribe partitions at all.
[11:25] <cyber321> ubuntu is for noobs
[11:26] <spikebike> cyber321: that's quite a newb thing to say
[11:26] <cyber321> you might as well use Windozw
[11:26] <Globalirc> Cheez i have 1und1 from Germany and on install panel i don't have any option just the distribution what i wanna install
[11:26] <cfhowlett> cyber321, please go play somewhere else
[11:27] <BluesKaj> cyber321, do you have an ubuntu support question ?
[11:27] <Cheez> oh i see, yeah you don't get to configure it, it's the image defaults. but you can generally repartition it can't you?
[11:28] <cyber321> sorry this was for demonstration purposes
[11:28] <Globalirc> Cheez yes i manage to repartition with help of two users from here and this tut https://www.linuxtechi.com/extend-lvm-partitions/
[11:28] <Cheez> cool :)
[11:28] <cyber321> asl?
[11:29] <DalekSec> cyber321: Not the channel, or network really, for that.
[11:29] <BluesKaj> cyber321, this is NOT a general chat
[11:29] <cyber321> sorry i am doing a social engineering training demo
[11:30] <cfhowlett> cyber321, do it somewhere else
[11:30] <Cheez> Globalirc: if you wanted to, you could create a custom image that partitions how you want. :)
[11:30] <Cheez> cloud panel > infrastructure > images, then import an image, which could start from a ubuntu iso
[11:31] <Norux> Hi :)
[11:31] <BluesKaj> social engineering eh, ...got a long way to go
[11:34] <tcow1> hi all is is silly to use port 80 for irc
[11:34] <Globalirc> Cheez thanks for help for now i think i'm good with the result
[11:34] <tcow1> me know nothing about ports but think its used for other things also just cant recall and wondering if this wud b an issue
[11:35] <DalekSec> 80 is http, typically.  Perhaps use 6697 or 6667 if you have non-TLS.
[11:36] <tcow1> thanks-
[11:37] <student> .
[11:38] <tcow1> when the join network splash came up to select network i did and then it spat an error re connection not having the authentication file required of the client so i  tried connecting with an irc command and a random port no 80 and that time it workd
[11:38] <tcow1> wth
[11:39] <tcow1> what the hell
[11:51] <s10gopal> how to fix "dpkg: error processing package linux-image-unsigned-4.15.0-20-generic (--install)" ?
[11:53] <EriC^^> s10gopal: pastebin the complete error
[11:53] <compdoc> anyone good with netplan?
[11:54] <s10gopal> EriC^^, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5g8rtx4JfN/
[11:54] <Bugzie> s10gopal: apt install -f
[11:55] <Bugzie> It's likely missing a package
[11:55] <cfhowlett> unsigned?  isn't that a bit of a risk?
[11:56] <s10gopal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1745646 , jsalisbury uploaded that kernel
[11:57] <s10gopal> Bugzie, apt -f will find and install that missing package or it will forcefully install that kernel without taking care of missing package ?
[11:57] <Bugzie> Yes, that's assumming, there was failures
[11:58] <Bugzie> dkpg can't install software from the respository
[11:59] <s10gopal> Bugzie, E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-image-unsigned-4.15.0-20-generic_4.15.0-20.21~lp1745646PatchFromBjorn_amd64.deb'
[11:59] <EriC^^> s10gopal: you need to install the modules package
[12:00] <s10gopal> EriC^^, please tell how to install them
[12:01] <EriC^^> s10gopal: apt-get install linux-modules-4.15.0-20-generic
[12:01] <jdrab> how about this "Package linux-base is not installed."
[12:01] <s10gopal> EriC^^, E: Package 'linux-modules-4.15.0-20-generic' has no installation candidate
[12:02] <leftyfb> s10gopal: you have to enable the proposed repository
[12:02] <zprd> hi
[12:02] <s10gopal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6THj8ZVdbG/
[12:02] <luckybunny> Hi guys... I've run into a problem which I believe is related to the emoji support in 18.04. Numbers do not display correctly in Chrome. Will look into whether the same is true in firefox
[12:02] <s10gopal> leftyfb, i dont know
[12:03] <luckybunny> yep. SAme is true in Firefox
[12:03] <leftyfb> s10gopal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed     first result on google for "Ubuntu proposed"
[12:03] <Bugzie> s10gopal: 7:57 < s10gopal> Bugzie, apt -f, wtf does apt -f do?
[12:04] <Norux> Bugzie: man apt
[12:04] <s10gopal> Bugzie, i mean apt install -f
[12:04] <luckybunny> basically, numbers appear as a different font and size, white, with a light grey outline. They're almost entirely invisible against a white background
[12:04] <Bugzie> I'd like to know what apt -f do?
[12:05] <leftyfb> Bugzie: then read the man page
[12:05] <zprd> im stuck with gnome-calendar asking for and old calendar password, it is a shared google calendar
[12:05] <Bugzie> You can't explain what it does?
[12:05] <zprd> I'd rather remove, but do not see a delete button
[12:05] <zprd> remove it*
[12:06] <leftyfb> Bugzie: it fixes problems. Read the man page if you want more detail
[12:06] <Bugzie> What problems does it fix?
[12:06] <s10gopal> Bugzie, apt -f is nothing
[12:06] <leftyfb> Bugzie: read the man page for apt-get
[12:07] <Norux> Bugzie: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kgRFfGRjWs/
[12:07] <Bugzie> Is it? What does apt -f do?
[12:07] <Norux> Bugzie: stop trolling
[12:07] <Bugzie> No, I like to know what exactly waht apt -f does
[12:07] <cfhowlett> Bugzie, do this and read:    man apt
[12:07] <Bugzie> Instead of pointing to man page, how about explain what it does
[12:07] <leftyfb> Bugzie: "apt -f" does ansolutely nothing as it's not a valid command. If you want to know what "apt install -f" or "apt-get install -f" does, then read the man page for apt-get
[12:07] <Norux> Bugzie: Then rtfm, it will explain it
[12:07] <s10gopal> it is not present in man apt
[12:08] <luckybunny> https://gyazo.com/b9388c81ed102c0017896d8edf5bc564
[12:08] <Bugzie> RTFM, is what #ubutune is?
[12:08] <Bugzie> I am sorry I disagree
[12:09] <leftyfb> Bugzie: I told you what it does. If you want more detail, read the man page. I am not going to copy and paste it for you.
[12:09] <cfhowlett> this ^^^^
[12:09] <s10gopal> leftyfb, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed is for ubuntu 16 , i am on 14
[12:09] <Bugzie> 08:06 < leftyfb> Bugzie: it fixes problems. Read the man page if you want more detail
[12:09] <Bugzie> fixes problems?
[12:09] <paddy> Is there a way to "mirror" a directory/file TO another folder? I want to , I want I want to Sync certain folders (~/Documents/Uni ~/Document/books ~/Downloads/torrents etc) I don't want to upload the whole folder just sub folders. I want to be able to add files to ~/Documents/Uni or ~/Documents/books and it be automatically uploaded to ownCloud's structure. Easiest way would be if I could "mirror" the folders in the
[12:09] <paddy> ~/ownCloud folder which is attached to the client and will regulate the upload.
[12:09] <leftyfb> s10gopal: then it is not available. Please post that in the bug
[12:10] <Wirehunter> Bugzie, -f == --fix-broken for apt(-get)
[12:10] <leftyfb> Bugzie: please troll elsewhere. It's getting really tiresome.
[12:10] <Bugzie> Wirehunter: thanks
[12:10] <Wirehunter> it doesn't say so in man apt, but it does in apt-get.
[12:10] <s10gopal> Bugzie,            Fix; attempt to correct a system with broken dependencies in place.
[12:11] <leftyfb> Wirehunter: I already pointed them to the man page for apt-get. But Bugzie is a known troll that does not quit and just wants to sit here and cause drama.
[12:12] <s10gopal> EriC^^, leftyfb what should i do?
[12:12] <leftyfb> s10gopal: I told you. Post your issue in the bug report.
[12:13] <FinnJ> Is there some of setting up Ubuntu to behave as "Debian Testing"? I wanna be immunte to major releases, it always beings me grief. Would rather just upgrade as stuff comes...
[12:13] <FinnJ> *immune
[12:13] <leftyfb> s10gopal: jsalisbury will probably need to make up the modules package for you. Also, all this is around Ubuntu 14.04? Have you tried 16.04 or 18.04 to see if the issue is resolveD?
[12:14] <leftyfb> FinnJ: Ubuntu will never upgrade you to the latest release without your intervention
[12:14] <s10gopal> leftyfb, battery drain is caused by 0847684cfc5f0 ("PCI / PM: Simplify device wakeup settings code") , which came in 4.13-rc1 and it still exist in upstream
[12:14] <Wirehunter> s10gopal, You're missing linux-base right?
[12:14] <FinnJ> Yea I know. But you cannot stay on a release forever. So eventually you'll have to upgrade, and to my experience its russian roulette every time.
[12:15] <s10gopal> Wirehunter, something like that https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5g8rtx4JfN/
[12:15] <Wirehunter> s10gopal, have you tried to install that? sudo apt install linux-base
[12:15] <leftyfb> FinnJ: I don't understand what you're asking. Correct, if you do not upgrade, you do not get the latest release and will not be supported.
[12:16] <leftyfb> Wirehunter: this is an ongoing issue where s10gopal should be posting all this in the bug report. He's got one of the top kernel team members from Canonical helping him.
[12:16] <cfhowlett> FinnJ, as is the case with every OS.  However, if you exercise patience, you can avoid the day 1 bugs.  Personally, I use LTS ony and wait for the first xx.1 release before upgrading.  suggest you download 16.04, liveboot and test
[12:16] <FinnJ> leftyfb: with "Debian Testing", you're always getting the "next debian" packages. Regardless of their major release cycle. You kinda just float along.
[12:16] <Bugzie> So s10gopal is that persorn
[12:16] <leftyfb> s10gopal: You should be troubleshooting this using 16.04 or 18.04, but you should also be troubleshooting this with jsalisbury in the bug report, not here.
[12:17] <leftyfb> FinnJ: that's not how Ubuntu works. If you want that, go to Debian.
[12:17] <s10gopal> Wirehunter, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/F5dPtYqCtM/
[12:17] <Bugzie> Okay, I will help people who actually need help
[12:17] <FinnJ> leftyfb: Yea ok. Havent seen it either. Was just checking. Thanks :)
[12:17] <leftyfb> s10gopal: You should be troubleshooting this with jsalisbury in the bug report, not here.
[12:18] <leftyfb> s10gopal: let jsalisbury know you are running 14.04 and don't have access to the kernel modules package he posted for you to test
[12:18] <Wirehunter> s10gopal, you had already tried to run `sudo apt -f install` right?
[12:18] <leftyfb> Wirehunter: please see my posts
[12:18] <s10gopal> Wirehunter, yes
[12:19] <leftyfb> Wirehunter: this is beyond the scope of this channel. He is going through kernel bisection with jsalisbury from Canonical
[12:19] <Bugzie> leftyfb: You are not the op of this channel
[12:19] <leftyfb> Bugzie: you are correct.
[12:20] <leftyfb> for once
[12:20] <Bugzie> So, to tell Wirehunter what to do, it's not position for you to say that
[12:21] <s10gopal> Wirehunter, i am running ubuntu 14.04 lts
[12:21] <s10gopal> and testing kernel posted on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1745646
[12:21] <leftyfb> s10gopal: Do you want your issue resolved?
[12:22] <Norux> leftyfb: If somebody is trolling so hard, wouldn't it be appropriate to report him
[12:22] <s10gopal> leftyfb, yes
[12:22] <leftyfb> Norux: it doesn't always do much good here
[12:22] <leftyfb> Norux: feel free to try
[12:22] <Wirehunter> leftyfb, Ah, I see.
[12:22] <Norux> leftyfb: how?
[12:23] <Bugzie> Wirehunter: leftyfb are team members?
[12:23] <leftyfb> s10gopal: then I suggest you continue to work with the top kernel developer from Canonical you've been working with for 3 months and not dilute the troubleshooting process by constantly asking in here how to fix your issue. You are only going to make matters worse
[12:23] <paddy> Is there a way to have a "pointer" to a file in ubuntu? Like a shortcut in windows. But is there also a way to get the "address of the pointer"? I was thinking symlinks but that doesn't do the address thingy
[12:24] <leftyfb> paddy: https://askubuntu.com/questions/854373/how-to-create-a-desktop-shortcut    first result on google for "ubuntu desktop shortcut"
[12:24] <Bugzie> I was confused, I thought Wirehunter was a independent
[12:25] <s10gopal> leftyfb, what skills are needed to works as developer in canonical , and can i be one ?
[12:25] <leftyfb> s10gopal: please post in the bug report and let jsalisbury know the issues you are running into
[12:25] <leftyfb> s10gopal: https://www.canonical.com/careers
[12:25] <sondre> Hi guys! Reinstalled 18.04 and using driver nvidia 390 with displaylink driver to get monitors up and running, I get this square thing around my cursor. See image -> https://i.imgur.com/QYwAIG8l.jpg. How can I fix this?
[12:25] <cfhowlett> Norux, /ignore nickname          will usually remove trolls from view
[12:26] <paddy> leftyfb: I did see that and that's not what I'm asking. I want to create a "symlink" that will mirror files/directories in different files/directories
[12:26] <leftyfb> paddy: then create a symlink using ln
[12:27] <Norux> cfhowlett: ah thanks. Do you also know how I can report?
[12:27] <leftyfb> Norux: you can ask in #ubuntu-ops
[12:28] <cfhowlett> Norux, !ops | troll name and crimes        will trigger an alert to the operators.  use sparingly and for the most egregious crimes
[12:28] <leftyfb> the ops are well aware of the troll you are referring to
[12:28] <Norux> leftyfb, cfhowlett: ok thanks :)
[12:28] <Bugzie> Me
[12:28] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[12:29] <Bugzie> I am trollling, without proof that I am trolling
[12:29] <ioria> s10gopal, my opinion: the developer knows you are on 14.04 and gives you a pkg not installable there; so you have to make him aware of the problem  (or use dpkg --install --ignore-depends)
[12:29] <s10gopal> ioria, <jsalisbury> s10gopal, I copied those other dependent packages there now.  Just install the linux-modules packages first and that error should go away.
[12:29] <Bugzie> leftyfb: I am glad your role is minmal
[12:29] <cfhowlett> Norux, it's worth noting that /ignoring trolls will eventually starve them of the attention they crave and they will first attempt to escalate then move on.
[12:29] <paddy> leftyfb: again I do know that but that's not I'm asking. If possible please read carefully. "ln -s" creates a softlink, a the folder structure isn't linked. "ln" hardlinks and can't be done with folders
[12:30] <ioria> s10gopal, we are ok, then
[12:30] <s10gopal> thx
[12:30] <Norux> cfhowlett: Simply ignoring and silently reporting them is the best way to stop them, right
[12:31] <leftyfb> Norux: please keep on topic. This channel is for support
[12:31] <pokmo> hi
[12:31] <Norux> leftyfb: You're right, sorry.
[12:32] <psabone> quick question,is it possible to customize .iso image by adding new packages in it?
[12:32] <s10gopal> leftyfb, i was asking what skills are needed and how to get them ?
[12:33] <leftyfb> s10gopal: that's offtopic here.
[12:33] <pokmo> i'm trying to run grep on multiple files where some filenames may begin with dashes (-). grep <exp> * gives me an error "There is no X.txt option"
[12:33] <pokmo> but the filename is --X.txt
[12:33] <pokmo> anyone know how to get around it?
[12:33] <s10gopal> can you please join #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:34] <Fuchs> pokmo: try putting a --   at the end of grep options, then the file name
[12:34] <Fuchs> e.g.  grep -v foo -- --X.txt
[12:34] <Fuchs> if that doesn't work, try escaping the -s
[12:34] <Norux> pokmo: You have to escape them I think. Try putting a \ in front of them
[12:35] <Norux> pokmo: e.g. `grep \-\-X.txt`
[12:36] <psabone> help,need to add new softwares/packages on an .iso image and install once on offline mode
[12:36] <pokmo> Fuchs but i'm trying to use '*'
[12:36] <pokmo> grep all files
[12:36] <Fuchs> pokmo: the -- variant should work, then
[12:36] <pokmo> Norux i'm trying to grep all files in one go though
[12:36] <pokmo> --*?
[12:36] <Fuchs> no, -- *
[12:36] <Fuchs> the space is important
[12:36] <pokmo> ok
[12:37] <pokmo> indeed
[12:37] <pokmo> thanks so much
[12:37] <Fuchs> you're welcome
[12:37] <pokmo> what does -- do here actually
[12:37] <Fuchs> tell grep that there will be no further options passed
[12:37] <pokmo> ah
[12:37] <Fuchs> so it will treat everything after as a filename
[12:37] <pokmo> cool
[12:39] <blackflow> not as filename but as positional arguments. that way you can grep for "-stuff" in a file, without it being interpreted as -s switch
[12:39] <timte> Hi! I have a target systemd unit that is only used to start and stop multiple other services that are part of the same application. The unit file is called myapplicaiton.target so I have to use “systemd start myapplication.target”, but I’d rather skip the .target part and only run “systemd start myapplication”. Is this possible?
[12:39] <pokmo> i see
[12:40] <sondre> Anyone know how I can fix the buggy square around my cursor? https://i.imgur.com/QYwAIG8l.jpg
[12:41] <Norux> sondre: maybe this helps? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-workspace/+bug/1684240
[12:46] <jaszczab> does anyone kown when dotnet core will be available on ubuntu 18.04?
[12:48] <sondre> Norux: Thanks
[12:49] <Norux> sondre: No problem
[12:50] <isene> Upgraded from 17.10 to 18.04. All went fine - except that I used to have 12h battery time, and now I have 8h. Any tips for increasing battery time back to what I had on 17.10 (I ran TLP and still run TLP)?
[12:52] <brainwash> isene: I suggest checking with powertop (cli program)
[12:52] <s10gopal> i want to backup firefox and hexchat , how can i ?
[12:53] <jluc_> maybe see https://github.com/linrunner/TLP/issues
[12:53] <brainwash> s10gopal: your firefox profile is located in ~/.mozilla and hexchat configuration should be in ~/.config/hexchat
[12:53] <isene> brainwash: Right. I wonder about this then: 1.21 W      1,3 ms/s     105,4        Interrupt      [0] HI_SOFTIRQ
[12:54] <s10gopal> thx
[12:54] <isene> brainwash: And this:   971 mW    100,0%                      Device         Radio device: btusb
[12:54] <brainwash> bt is bluetooth
[12:55] <Ubuntivity> Hello. I'm having problem with my PC buzzer (pcspkr). I had enabled it by unblacklisting it and modprobing it, this worked well, but it works only for 5 seconds after playing sound from other source! What could cause the problem??
[12:55] <brainwash> isene: are these values not changing?
[12:55] <isene> They remain pretty stable
[12:55] <pragmaticenigma> Ubuntivity: How did you enable it, and are you use ALSA to playback sound or routing through PulseAudio?
[12:56] <m2_teknix> I have an Ubuntu PC connected to a wireless network as well as ethernet. How can I force it use to wireless network for internet requestes without disconnecting it from ethernet
[12:56] <isene> brainwash: And these: http://dpaste.com/3PNA6S1
[12:57] <Ubuntivity> pragmaticenigma: I've removed the "blacklist pcspkr" line from "/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf"
[12:57] <Ubuntivity> pragmaticenigma: Not sure if using ALSA or PulseAudio! How can I tell?
[12:58] <pragmaticenigma> m2_teknix: This article should help send you in the right direction. https://askubuntu.com/a/660008
[12:58] <pragmaticenigma> Ubuntivity: how are you playing the test sound?
[12:58] <Ubuntivity> using command line "beep"
[12:58] <brainwash> isene: I guess you'll have to toggle those and see if power consumption goes down
[12:58] <Ubuntivity> pragmaticenigma: for example "beep -f 440"
[12:58] <brainwash> isene: especially Runtime PM for PCI Device NVIDIA Corporation GP107M
[13:00] <Ubuntivity> pragmaticenigma: When I change volume level there is that "blip" sound, after that I can use "beep" correctly for 5 seconds, then the beep is not working anymore until I induce another sound like that "blip" again!
[13:00] <brainwash> isene: maybe this can be tweaked via the nvidia driver
[13:02] <pragmaticenigma> Ubuntivity: This is known behavior and is also why the device typically is blacklisted.
[13:02] <s10gopal> how to install linux-headers-4.15.0-20-generic ?
[13:02] <pragmaticenigma> Ubuntivity: Look at the section titled Ioctl Wackiness for more information: https://linux.die.net/man/1/beep
[13:03] <Ubuntivity> pragmaticenigma: Oh, I never knew that!
[13:03] <Ubuntivity> pragmaticenigma: I've figured some poor workaround, by playing some audio file with minimal volume to keep the pcspkr functional :/
[13:05] <pragmaticenigma> Ubuntivity: My thought is with the common place of sound cards capable of much better sound output, it's hard to understand why someone would want to continue using the PCSPKR
[13:05] <pragmaticenigma> Ubuntivity: Unless the PCSPKR was tied into the sound card such that it could provide audio in the absense of speakers attached to the sound output of the sound card
[13:10] <s10gopal> brainwash, i was asking about firefox bookmarks and history and saved password
[13:10] <cfhowlett> s10gopal, ffox has a sync utility
[13:12] <White_Cat> hi
[13:12] <s10gopal> thx
[13:13] <Ubuntivity> pragmaticenigma: Well, for me I'm working on a script for some particular project that uses a classic buzzer rather than a speaker. I need a simple commandline script to play a particular sound frequency for a particular duration. I'm using beep for that purpose, not knowing about any better alternatives!
[13:15] <newbie|3> test
[13:16] <tangarora> trdt
[13:18] <pragmaticenigma> Ubuntivity: I'd nose around the web some. I'm sure you're not the only one to encounter this behavior. Hopefully the man page I sent you helps give you something to work with in your searches
[13:19] <Ubuntivity> Thanks pragmaticenigma. I tried searching for some alternatives to beep, but couldn't get any useful results (perhaps my language is the barrier here!)
[13:26] <yokowka> nacc good day! how to delete duplicates from source list ? here it is screenshot https://imgur.com/a/RwbLnui
[13:28] <rmoore> Anyone familiar with any open sandbox environments a person could utilize for honing Linux network administration skills?
[13:29] <cfhowlett> yokowka, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:29] <yokowka> cfhowlett this comand to shell and that's all?
[13:30] <cfhowlett> yokowka, that will open it in the editor.  edit and save.
[13:30] <yokowka> cfhowlett good. i'll do!
[13:32] <pragmaticenigma> rmoore: You may find better answers in the #ubuntu-offtopic room or #networking
[13:32] <rmoore> thank you!
[13:35] <yokowka> cfhowlett https://imgur.com/a/tUyAFd0 https://imgur.com/a/KWwyKNg https://imgur.com/a/WRtR1gD where is duplicates?
[13:38] <Ubuntivity> Not sure if I should, but I'll mention the best solution I've found so far: I've install "sox" package, than used "play -n" to generate a continuous silent sound, then I can use "beep" normally without modifying my current code :)
[13:43] <cfhowlett> yokowka, wait you have artful and bionic sources?  NOT smart and WILL break things.  suggest you rebuild this correctly  try this:  https://repogen.simplylinux.ch/index.php
[13:44] <cfhowlett> http://www.tuxgarage.com/2011/01/restore-your-sources-list-to-defaults.html
[13:50] <DeMoLiSh> oi Galera
[13:50] <DeMoLiSh> to testando minha internet aqui no meio do sertão
[13:50] <cfhowlett> !es | DeMoLiSh
[13:51] <mohawk__> How good is 18.04
[13:51] <DeMoLiSh> oi
[13:52] <cfhowlett> mohawk__, do you have a specific ubuntu problem?  Please ask.
[13:52] <DeMoLiSh> alguém me lê?
[13:52] <cfhowlett> !br | DeMoLiSh sorry.  wrong language
[13:56] <DeMoLiSh> oi
[13:56] <DeMoLiSh> alguém me lê?
[14:06] <MonkeyDust> !pt
[14:11] <candidat> hello :)
[14:15] <theTOOLM1N> hi
[14:15] <theTOOLM1N> hmmmm
[14:15] <theTOOLM1N> anyone know a good m$ group here
[14:16] <theTOOLM1N> linux superstart stuck on a windows problem and i can only pull so much hair out of my head
[14:17] <davide136> hi guys, need some help xorg.conf
[14:17] <davide136> https://thepasteb.in/p/RghnpQRYK2Pcz
[14:17] <davide136> glxinfo
[14:17] <davide136> https://thepasteb.in/p/P1hv2ZZrKwkcl
[14:17] <davide136> LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo
[14:17] <davide136> https://thepasteb.in/p/mwh176v20nZc5
[14:17] <davide136> davide136
[14:17] <TheWild> hello
[14:18] <tripty> Hello guys, just a question.
[14:18] <tripty> Suppose I have package A which depends on pkg B. And pkg C which depends on B as well.
[14:18] <tripty> After an update, there's new version of A, B and C. But I decide to upgrade only A. What will apt do? upgrade only A. A and B, but not reverse dependencies. Or A, B and C?
[14:18] <TheWild> how to limit usable RAM space to first 2 GB on live distro? I managed to do it on installed one, but not on live.
[14:18] <theTOOLMAN> apt will update dependencies
[14:19] <theTOOLMAN> as will emerge and yum
[14:19] <tripty> So, A and B? but not C?
[14:20] <theTOOLMAN> no it will update b then a and c
[14:21] <theTOOLMAN> apt is great for dependency modeling
[14:21] <tripty> So if I update a pkg which depends in another which a lot of others depends at the same time. It will upgrade everyone?
[14:21] <theTOOLMAN> in gentoo, you can mask b but then it wont update a or c
[14:21] <theTOOLMAN> it will update the package tree based on dependency hierarcy
[14:22] <tripty> Ok, but if using a ppa it could carry broken deps?right?
[14:23] <theTOOLMAN> the ppa will tell it what the dependencies are and if they are broken, it could lock up apt
[14:23] <tripty> ok
[14:23] <theTOOLMAN> which is where you run apt install --force
[14:23] <theTOOLMAN> or somehting like that
[14:23] <theTOOLMAN> i know i have to do it when i install chrome
[14:24] <tripty> I think pacman doesnt resolve reverse deps, that;s why I had the question
[14:27] <eaglgenes101> Alright, I got a touchpad running under libinput that is vertically jumpy
[14:27] <gde36> software update seems to have reset all my configurations and purged my desktop files?
[14:27] <eaglgenes101> Like, if I move my finger diagonally, I get a path that is mostly diagonal, with vertical jumps seemingly at random
[14:28] <cfhowlett> gde36, clean install would do that.  mere update woud not
[14:28] <gde36> cfhowlett: it just did
[14:28] <gde36> cfhowlett: to complete the update I had to restart lol
[14:28] <gde36> default theme up
[14:28] <eaglgenes101> Any idea about how to control this? I've already run over the libinput docs and manually calibrated touchpad range and thresholds
[14:28] <eaglgenes101> And it still happens
[14:29] <theTOOLMAN> get a mouse?
[14:30] <theTOOLMAN> are you using a touchscreen or a touchpad
[14:32] <usr123> cant see any drivers in additional drivers tab
[14:32] <theTOOLMAN> are you using tmux for tabs?
[14:32] <theTOOLMAN> or a gui?
[14:33] <usr123> me?
[14:33] <theTOOLMAN> yes
[14:33] <theTOOLMAN> lspci and lsmod are your friends
[14:33] <usr123> gui
[14:33] <theTOOLMAN> yeah if you're gonna do linux, do linux right. from the cli
[14:33] <theTOOLMAN> lsmod and lspci
[14:33] <eaglgenes> anyway
[14:33] <theTOOLMAN> along with journalctl -f
[14:34] <eaglgenes> any ideas?
[14:34] <theTOOLMAN> answer my question with more than an anyways
[14:34] <theTOOLMAN> is it a touchscreen or a touchpad
[14:34] <cfhowlett> !who
[14:34] <eaglgenes> touchpad
[14:35] <usr123> i have no clue what you're saying, new to linux
[14:35] <theTOOLMAN> synaptics?
[14:35] <Chatterly> lol
[14:35] <eaglgenes> libinput
[14:35] <Chatterly> case in point
[14:35] <theTOOLMAN> usr123: there are commands on a command line interface
[14:35] <eaglgenes> I remember it was fine in 17.10
[14:35] <eaglgenes> Also, you might have noticed I got disconnected
[14:35] <theTOOLMAN> usr123: lsmod show you modules
[14:35] <usr123> theTOOLMAN: yes, what commands do i run?
[14:35] <theTOOLMAN> usr123: lspci shows you what is connected on pci bus
[14:36] <theTOOLMAN> usr123: lsusb shows you what is connected on the us bus
[14:36] <theTOOLMAN> usr123: and journalctl -f tails your logs so that you can see what is going on
[14:36] <theTOOLMAN> eaglgenes: libinput is the generic input driver. is the physical device synaptics?
[14:37] <eaglgenes> Yeah, that's what it's named at least
[14:37] <theTOOLMAN> and have you installed the synaptic utilities?
[14:37] <eaglgenes> No, which package is that?
[14:37] <gde36> cfhowlett: you have any suggestions? KVIRC for example is still here it just purged my settings for it.
[14:38] <theTOOLMAN> xserver-xorg-input-synaptics - Synaptics TouchPad driver for X.Org server
[14:38] <cfhowlett> in normal circumstances, an update would not wipe your your config settings.  Not enough info for me to hazard a guess
[14:38] <gde36> cfhowlett: how shall I give you enough info?
[14:38] <eaglgenes> Says I already have the latest version
[14:39] <cfhowlett> opne a terminal.  inxi -f | pastebinit
[14:39] <gde36> my username still works
[14:39] <gde36> k
[14:39] <cfhowlett> inxi -F | pastebinit
[14:40] <theTOOLMAN> eaglgenes: what is the display environment that you're using?
[14:40] <gde36> it wont let me open a terminal :/
[14:40] <gde36> ill just try reboot again first
[14:40] <theTOOLMAN> hahahahahaha
[14:40] <theTOOLMAN> easy way to open a terminal if you cant find your terminal app
[14:41] <theTOOLMAN> ctrl + alt + 3
[14:41] <eaglgenes> GNOME on wayland
[14:41] <eaglgenes> Not sure which of those is the display environment
[14:41] <theTOOLMAN> eaglgenes: i haven't used gnome in a long time
[14:41] <theTOOLMAN> eaglgenes: i use xfce4 and it has a settings utility for managing your synaptics touchpad options
[14:42] <theTOOLMAN> and idk what package youll need of synaptic utilities for wayland. the one i sent you was for x
[14:44] <eaglgenes> Oddly, it's only vertically jumpy. The horizontal movement is just fine.
[14:45] <eaglgenes> Actually scratch that it's jumpy in both axes
[14:46] <theTOOLMAN> yeah probably a sample rate problem
[14:46] <theTOOLMAN> you'll need to get into your mouse/touchpad settings in your setting manager and tweak your settings
[14:46] <theTOOLMAN> being that you're runing the unfashionable gnome, i can't help you much there
[14:46] <gde33> that was funny, it just decided I wanted to log in as the guest user
[14:47] <gde33> back to the ordinary now
[14:47] <theTOOLMAN> gde33: you need to learn bash
[14:47] <gde33> theTOOLMAN: howso?
[14:47] <theTOOLMAN> go back to windows if youre gonna be a guiboy
[14:47] <eaglgenes> Anyway, how would you go about doing this on XFCE? Maybe I can se if I can find a parallel in GNOME
[14:47] <cfhowlett> I should have thought of that.  glad you got it figured out.
[14:48] <theTOOLMAN> start -> settings -> mouse/touchpad
[14:48] <yokowka> cfhowlett bless you angels from heaven! in ubuntu-ru everyone are angry! more best to you!!!!
[14:48] <gde33> theTOOLMAN: I didn't even remember I created a guest account. Why I would want to log into it after the update is a mystery.
[14:48] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[14:49] <theTOOLMAN> gde33: did it autologin?
[14:49] <gde33> yeah
[14:49] <theTOOLMAN> thats lame
[14:49] <theTOOLMAN> i'd never let my machines autologin
[14:49] <cfhowlett> gde33, guest account is auto created.  you must have accidentally selected it.  it will not autologin to the guest
[14:50] <pi__> hi
[14:50] <gde33> in useraccounts it swaped. Just put the main acc on auto loggin
[14:50] <gde33> anyway, thanks for the laughs :P
[14:51] <pi__> what?
[14:54] <usr123> theTOOLMAN: i just want wifi to run on my system, i dont understand any of that means
[14:54] <usr123> I have tried installing bcmwl from kernel source
[14:54] <usr123> it does not work
[14:54] <theTOOLMAN> usr123: install wicd
[14:54] <theTOOLMAN> thats what i use to manage wifi on my laptops
[14:55] <theTOOLMAN> or is your machine not recognizing the card at all?
[14:56] <theTOOLMAN> and you're sure that your wireless card is broadcom?
[14:57] <usr123> theTOOLMAN: It says unable to reach some archives run apt-get update, I ran update and it shows the same error
[14:57] <theTOOLMAN> run: nslookup google.com
[14:57] <theTOOLMAN> can it resolve?
[14:58] <usr123> no
[14:58] <theTOOLMAN> do you have a lan connection?
[14:58] <usr123> usb teethering
[14:58] <theTOOLMAN> that is how you're getting your internet?
[14:58] <usr123> I wonder why the drivers are not showing up in addtional drivers tab in software and updates
[14:58] <usr123> its ubuntu 18.04 by the way
[14:58] <usr123> theTOOLMAN: Yes
[14:59] <theTOOLMAN> but you can't resolve?
[14:59] <theTOOLMAN> run: ping -c1 8.8.8.8
[14:59] <usr123> no
[14:59] <usr123> connect: Network is unreachable
[15:00] <usr123> runs fine
[15:00] <usr123> now
[15:00] <usr123> packets recieved
[15:00] <theTOOLMAN> so do the nslookup again
[15:02] <ca_cabotage> hey all, I have a problem with transferring files on one HDD filling up my install SSD - I have two drives on my laptop, an SSD I boot from, and a HDD in a bay that I keep files on. The HDD has two ext4 partitions that are mounted, I am trying to transfer files from one of those partitions to the other partition, however - it is ALSO filling up my SSD, and the transfer eventually fails because the SSD fills
[15:02] <ca_cabotage> up. what is going on here?
[15:02] <usr123> got output
[15:03] <hfp> hey, what does this permission mode mean: 2700? I've only every used permission modes that start with 0
[15:04] <usr123> wicd got installed
[15:04] <usr123> what next
[15:04] <theTOOLMAN> open wicd
[15:04] <theTOOLMAN> and see if your device is listed in there
[15:04] <usr123> done
[15:05] <compdoc> ca_cabotage, guess the OS is caching the files to the ssd before writing. you might try rsync instead
[15:05] <usr123> theTOOLMAN: No
[15:05] <solsTiCe> ca_cabotage: I do'nt see how that's possible ? what are you using ? nuatilus ? cp ?
[15:05] <usr123> I dont see wifi devices
[15:05] <theTOOLMAN> does ifconfig -a
[15:05] <theTOOLMAN> show your device?
[15:06] <theTOOLMAN> or even better, does lshw show your devices?
[15:06] <usr123> yes
[15:06] <usr123> broadcast=yes
[15:06] <theTOOLMAN> which of them?
[15:06] <theTOOLMAN> ifconfig or lshw?
[15:06] <ca_cabotage> i'm using dolphin for a drag and drop
[15:06] <usr123> lshw
[15:06] <ca_cabotage> no idea wtf is going on
[15:07] <theTOOLMAN> ca_cabotage: use rsync
[15:07] <solsTiCe> ca_cabotage: what is filling up on the SSD ? /var/cache ? what directory ? /tmp ?
[15:08] <theTOOLMAN> and make sure your ext4 partition that you're copying to is actually mounted. otherwise, you'll just be copying to a folder on yout / mount
[15:08] <theTOOLMAN> mount -l will tell you what is mounted
[15:08] <ca_cabotage> theTOOLMAN, i'll give it a shot - but still curious why this would be happening? i want to fix it - I should be able to drag and drop between partitions on my hdd without affecting the ssd - it's a pain in the ass to use rsync when i shouldnt have to
[15:08] <ca_cabotage> solsTiCe, I'm still trying to figure out where it is filling up
[15:08] <Plumble> Trying to import iptables rules with iptables-persistent package on ub 18.04 they do get imported but doesnt persist through boot,any thoughts?
[15:09] <theTOOLMAN> well copy doesn't make temporary files so i feel it is safe to assume that your other partitions aren't mounted.
[15:09] <ca_cabotage> theTOOLMAN, yeah i did check and it is mounted
[15:09] <theTOOLMAN> ca_cabotage: du -h --mac-depth=1 until you find what is going on. start in /
[15:10] <theTOOLMAN> usr123: make sure that your user is in the groups "plugdev" and "netdev"
[15:12] <usr123> Why isn't broadcom listed inside software updates??
[15:13] <cfhowlett> !broadcom | usr123
[15:14] <theTOOLMAN> usr123: you said that lshw showed the device. is ifconfig -a showing the device?
[15:15] <usr123> theTOOLMAN: no, it says broadcast=yes
[15:15] <JonFriesen> hey friends, I'm curious about opinions LVM partitioning vs manual partitioning. It seems like LVM is a bit more complex and may cause issues... it also seems like it's been around for a while and should be fairly mature.
[15:15] <theTOOLMAN> broadcast=yes? lol what friends
[15:16] <theTOOLMAN> JonFriesen: if you use lvm on your / partition, you have to have initramfs which has a module for lvm in it. this causes a slower bootup
[15:16] <jmgb4_> Hey fellas. I am just looking to add a static dns in but I think networkmanager keeps on changing it. Where is the proper place to set IPs for dns
[15:16] <cfhowlett> !lvm | JonFriesen, haven't used it myself but lvm is supported
[15:16] <theTOOLMAN> JonFriesen: lvm is good for extra partitions outside of /
[15:17] <theTOOLMAN> !resolvconf
[15:17] <theTOOLMAN> jmgb4_: that was for you
[15:17] <Plumble> JonFriesen: can utilise snapshot of volumes
[15:17] <jmgb4_> theTOOLMAN, I know. NetworkManager keeps on forcing an overwrite of that.
[15:18] <theTOOLMAN> jmgb4_: if you read through the documentation, it will tell you how to override the dhcp issued dns server
[15:18] <PhazonicRidley> hello, i am trying to install xubuntu on my rpi 3B+, i had to get the latest fw from rpi team's github and replaced the boot files, it boots, but i cannot control the pi with my mouse and keyboard does anyone know y?
[15:18] <PhazonicRidley> i have tried ubuntu mate which booted and had the same issue, and reg ubuntu which did not boot at all
[15:18] <usr123> lspci -nn -d 14e4: what if this command gives no response?
[15:18] <david_3> Hey, I was wondering if there was a way to have ubuntu muted on lock
[15:18] <theTOOLMAN> PhazonicRidley: try raspian
[15:18] <david_3> ./sleep
[15:18] <JonFriesen> theTOOLMAN: that's pretty cool! I didn't read anything about snapshots
[15:19] <theTOOLMAN> JonFriesen: snapshots are cool. just remember that / being lvm requires a whole extra sequence at startup
[15:19] <theTOOLMAN> which takes time
[15:19] <theTOOLMAN> but also know that things can be expanded easily with lvm
[15:19] <theTOOLMAN> so it def has its pros and cons
[15:20] <JonFriesen> theTOOLMAN: aah okay, I have a x1 carbon and I went the LVM route and have found it a bit slower
[15:20] <jmgb4_> theTOOLMAN, Not really. Thats pretty old documentation and referring to non existent directories.
[15:20] <theTOOLMAN> jmgb4_: are you using systemd, openrc, or sysvinit?
[15:21] <jmgb4_> systemd. The default with Ubuntu
[15:21] <pavlos> jmgb4_: you can add "nameserver 1.1.1.1" in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/tail
[15:21] <PhazonicRidley> theTOOLMAN: raspbain doesnt have what i need, i need upadated repos for shit and i need python 3.6
[15:21] <PhazonicRidley> raspbain has neither of those
[15:21] <theTOOLMAN> PhazonicRidley: hmmmmm.... never ran raw ubuntu on a pi.
[15:21] <PhazonicRidley> do u have a pi 3B+?
[15:21] <theTOOLMAN> PhazonicRidley: but i'm sure you can download the python source and build it
[15:21] <jmgb4_> PhazonicRidley, What do you need 3.6 for? You can add the ppa
[15:22] <jmgb4_> PhazonicRidley, I have a 3b+
[15:22] <theTOOLMAN> and gcc will let you cross compile so you can compile it on your desktop and move the package to your pi
[15:22] <theTOOLMAN> much faster than building on an arm
[15:22] <pavlos> jmgb4_: then "sudo resolvconf -u" to activate the change
[15:23] <jmgb4_> PhazonicRidley, Only reason why I ask why do you need 3.6 python on it is because I use my pi a lot, havent ran into the issue of needing it yet but that may come in the future
[15:23] <theTOOLMAN> jmgb4_: +1 on what pavlos was saying
[15:23] <jmgb4_> theTOOLMAN, I got it
[15:23] <PhazonicRidley> i am using discord.py
[15:23] <PhazonicRidley> which works best on 3.6
[15:24] <PhazonicRidley> also, the bot i will host needs 3.6
[15:24] <jmgb4_> pavlos, Good thing resolvconf isnt even installed. Hah
[15:25] <jmgb4_> Need to install a tool to fix ubuntus breakage, love it
[15:25] <PhazonicRidley> alright, ill give raspbain another go, as i cant get any version of ubuntu to work
[15:25] <handle0> Does anyone know how to configure 802.1ad using netplan or how to get it to work on boot with the 18.04 release?
[15:26] <usr123> seems like my card is a realtek
[15:26] <theTOOLMAN> jmgb4_: does the network manager you're using have an option to force a static dns?
[15:26] <theTOOLMAN> usr123: that would make sense why your broadcom wasn't finding it
[15:26] <jmgb4_> theTOOLMAN, Yeah but something in systemd is forcing to overwrite it
[15:26] <antonio__> alguien que entienda español, que quisiera ayudarme?
[15:26] <theTOOLMAN> is it systemd networking?
[15:26] <jmgb4_> Which is why systemd is garbage but thats another talk
[15:26] <pavlos> !es | antonio__
[15:27] <jmgb4_> The dns is still defaulting to the networkmanager default of 127.0.0.53
[15:27] <usr123> theTOOLMAN: So, how do I run wifi now?
[15:27] <theTOOLMAN> same way
[15:27] <jmgb4_> theTOOLMAN, Maybe
[15:27] <theTOOLMAN> jmgb4_: i'm trying to find where the systemd network conf file is
[15:27] <usr123> what way?
[15:27] <jmgb4_> Same
[15:27] <JonFriesen> theTOOLMAN: thanks for answering my questions, and providing those links on LVM :)
[15:27] <theTOOLMAN> JonFriesen: glad i can help
[15:28] <theTOOLMAN> i'm currently pulling my hair out over an msi deployment with gpo on windows. i hate windows
[15:28] <theTOOLMAN> !windoze
[15:28] <theTOOLMAN> hahahahaha
[15:28] <eaglgenes> Sounds like package management is quite a useful tool
[15:28] <theTOOLMAN> i love that response
[15:28] <akay> hahaha
[15:28] <theTOOLMAN> an msi is the windoze equivalent to a .dpkg
[15:29] <jmgb4_> I think its time to rm -rf this garbage... why do you have to change 100 things to get a static dns.
[15:29] <handle0> Is it possible to change from 802.1Q to 802.1ad without removing the VLAN from the interface?
[15:29] <theTOOLMAN> i just configure dns on my dhcp server
[15:29] <handle0> i.e., just changing the protocol?
[15:29] <theTOOLMAN> handle0: if you do that, it will move to vlan1
[15:29] <eaglgenes> Last time I had to open windows, I was running around checking every program for updates because there's no central way to check which ones have updates
[15:29] <jmgb4_> Thats like saying to somebody thats trying to work on their car that you just take it to the mechanic theTOOLMAN lol.
[15:30] <jmgb4_> Not really fixing the issue here
[15:30] <eaglgenes> It was a dedicated update session, so I didn't have problems with windows shutting down on me
[15:30] <theTOOLMAN> well i'm a senior sys admin at a pretty big company and they through this task on my desk knowing i don't do win bs
[15:30] <eaglgenes> But there was the feeling I missed something even after I checked each program
[15:31] <jmgb4_> Security engineer. Built plenty of custom dns servers theTOOLMAN, fighting with 10 different applicatoins to get a simple dns fix. yeah.
[15:31] <handle0> Can you rename the type of protocol?
[15:31] <theTOOLMAN> jmgb4_: kinda why i left systemd for openrc
[15:31] <theTOOLMAN> systemd is nice but it needs work
[15:31] <theTOOLMAN> same with wayland
[15:32] <theTOOLMAN> though wayland needs much more work
[15:32] <jmgb4_> theTOOLMAN, Is that even possible with ubuntu? I run gentoo at home with openrc and thats fine. I could have fixed this issue in 10 seconds
[15:32] <theTOOLMAN> jmgb4_: that was my secret... gentoo
[15:32] <handle0> theTOOLMAN: where does "ip link" store its configuration on the filesystem?
[15:32] <theTOOLMAN> handle0: what do you mean ip link?
[15:33] <theTOOLMAN> oh... nvm
[15:33] <theTOOLMAN> thats a good question
[15:33] <theTOOLMAN> !ip
[15:33] <handle0> theTOOLMAN: "ip link add link eth0 eth0.24 type vlan proto 802.1ad id 24" <- where is this stored at on the filesystem?
[15:33] <theTOOLMAN> ok
[15:33] <theTOOLMAN> that is a temporary thing... it will be gone on reboot
[15:34] <theTOOLMAN> not sure where it stores it though
[15:34] <theTOOLMAN> only time i ever need it is when i need to add an interface to do something i shouldn't be doing
[15:34] <jmgb4_> my next task theTOOLMAN is figure out how to get metasploit on this machine without setting off all the bells and whistles on the PAs
[15:34] <theTOOLMAN> jmgb4_: metasploit.... thats a fun one
[15:35] <handle0> it's somewhere, because I can't change it from 802.1Q to Ad
[15:35] <handle0> nevermind
[15:35] <jmgb4_> theTOOLMAN, I have kali installed on here as well and I am surprised we dont get warnings everytime that updates.
[15:35] <theTOOLMAN> i've never been able to get kali to update
[15:35] <tgm4883> !ot
[15:35] <pavlos> jmgb4_: "nmcli dev show" should list DNS info
[15:36] <jmgb4_> Need to fix your keys most likely but we shuld stick to what tgm just said
[15:36] <theTOOLMAN> i just go through their app list and have an ubuntu install where  i put those packages.
[15:37] <jmgb4_> pavlos, Yeah its in there but the first DNS is to 127.0.0.53 which is where networkmanager lives. From there it does who knows what. nslookup isnt showing anything helpful either
[15:38] <jmgb4_> I am out of ideas though and getting frustrated lol
[15:38] <longword> systemd-resolve --status
[15:38] <tgm4883> jmgb4_: nmcli shouldn't list 127.0.0.53 as the DNS
[15:40] <nacc> jmgb4_: 127.0.0.53 is systemd-resolved, not nm
[15:44] <Squarism> So is 18.04 working well?
[15:45] <tgm4883> Squarism: not really a support question, and quite subjective at that
[15:45] <leftyfb> Squarism: try it
[15:45] <Squarism> i guess i could do that
[15:45] <JimBuntu> Squarism try /join #ubuntu-discuss
[15:47] <slyrus> so I'm getting a crash on attempting to log in after upgrading to bionic behavior. presumably some sort of nvidia driver-related issue. should I file a bug?
[15:47] <ebo> Hi
[15:55] <jmgb4_> nacc, Ah.. so I need to nuke systemd-resolved somehow
[15:56] <jmgb4_> nope
[15:56] <jmgb4_>  in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf everything is correct
[16:06] <theTOOLMAN> !windows
[16:06] <nacc> jmgb4_: what is your actual issue? (sorry just catching up)
[16:07] <gabboman> Hi, where can I ask for help with the ubuntu openstack thing?
[16:07] <nacc> jmgb4_: systemd-resolve --status may help you if it's a name resolution issue
[16:07] <nacc> gabboman: #ubuntu-server most likely
[16:07] <gabboman> thanks
[16:09] <jmgb4_> nacc, Got it working now. Not sure exactly what the issue was but either systemd or nm was fighting me on allowing static dns
[16:10] <nacc> jmgb4_: ok.
[16:11] <jmgb4_> I dont get why the distro has to make it so difficult to get one thing done. To change a 5 to a 9 anywhere it seems like you have to go through 50000 configs at the same time
[16:12] <ebo> I'm looking for a way to change some app icon on dash2dock, tried to change it in /usr/share/applications but no luck. Suggestions?
[16:13] <tgm4883> jmgb4_: I don't know what issues you were dealing with, but you should have been able to do that through network manager quite easily
[16:14] <jmgb4_> tgm4883, Should have yes. something kept on overwriting it.
[16:14] <nacc> jmgb4_: i also don't know what you mean by a 5 to a 9.
[16:14] <tgm4883> nacc: I think that was hyperbole
[16:14] <jmgb4_> nacc, Just saying something simple
[16:15] <tgm4883> jmgb4_: I'm going to fall back onto whatever you were seeing isn't typical
[16:15]  * tgm4883 shrugs
[16:15] <jmgb4_> I hope I dont have to go through that again
[16:15] <jmgb4_> Now back to rolling certificates for firewalls
[16:15]  * jmgb4_ sighs.
[16:16] <nacc> jmgb4_: ok. I don't know, my opinion is the same as tgm4883 without a reproducible test case
[16:16] <brwoods> Question, in the efi entry ubuntu 18.04 creates, how is it that I acn rename it to something like ubuntu-18.04?
[16:17] <jmgb4_> nacc, If I am bored in a couple of hours I will dig back into it
[16:17] <brwoods> been trying do that, grub-install sort of works but not when you disconect the harddrive from the system and reconnect it.
[16:27] <dbk227> Hey guys. Wifes Win10 machine (which is set up with bitlocker) needs the OS to be reinstalled. I've booted Ubuntu 18.04 via USB to grab her personal files (pictures mostly). But not sure how to proceed to get into the partition everything is in
[16:28] <dbk227> It looks like bitlocker is preventingme form seeing inside it.
[16:30] <thinky> hey there
[16:33] <Assid> hi
[16:33] <Assid> im running lighttpd with mod_compress
[16:34] <nacc> dbk227: i would think the point of bitlocker would prevent that
[16:34] <Assid> the compressed directory shows the files fine .. but the content served is still the uncompressed one..
[16:34] <Assid> can someone help me with this..
[16:34] <Assid> lighttpd seems to be pretty much dead
[16:34] <pragmaticenigma> dbk227: You won't be able to access a bitlocker protected volume externally. I'm not aware of any tools that can mount and unlock bitlocker protected drives
[16:34] <pragmaticenigma> !enter | Assid
[16:35] <Assid> pragmaticenigma: will try to keep that in mind..
[16:35] <nacc> brwoods: why do you want to? does it matter enough?
[16:35] <pragmaticenigma> Assid: mod_compress compresses the information in transit. The client application automatically decompresses the content once it is received.
[16:36] <dbk227> nacc: I found a video about a utility called disklocker that looks like it might work
[16:36] <Assid> pragmaticenigma: yes, but it can also cache it in the directory if you wish it to. However, the content served is not compressed.. content-encoding doesn't show up as gzip
[16:37] <dbk227> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7XT5fK4iwA
[16:37] <dbk227> However it specifically states its for Linux
[16:37] <pragmaticenigma> Assid: It is possible the client is not configured to accept gzip compression
[16:37] <nacc> dbk227: not really interested in external tools to do someting that's not supported :)
[16:38] <pragmaticenigma> Assid: what tool are you using to test with?
[16:38] <david_3> hey, to repeat. I was wondering if it was possible to automatically mute on sleep/screen lock
[16:38] <Assid> pragmaticenigma: unlikely.. chrome works fine.. im even seeing other sites showing up with gzip encoding
[16:38] <Assid> pragmaticenigma: chrome .. developer tools
[16:39] <Assid> i have a feeling its something to do with lighttpd  .. than anything.. i guess i should consider nginx
[16:39] <pragmaticenigma> Assid: are you testing across the internet, local network, localhost?
[16:39] <Assid> pragmaticenigma: internet .. can you check it from your end as well ?
[16:39] <routa> hey, I've noticed that some of my log files in /var/log get HUGE after upgrading to 18.10 really fast for some reason, and since im running ubuntu on a 32gb hard drive I'd love to find a temporary solution to this till I can figure out what causes this. I believe you are supposed to be able to limit the size of log files somehow but I forget
[16:40] <pragmaticenigma> Assid: I wouldn't recommend posting the link here... and I am not able to test it at the moment
[16:40] <nacc> routa: is something actually getting logged? also, 18.04, i assume
[16:40] <Assid> im considering testing it with nginx next
[16:41] <Younder> Actually I am fine with Apache, but mongodb sounds like a performer.
[16:42] <pragmaticenigma> Assid: The documentation here: http://redmine.lighttpd.net/projects/lighttpd/wiki/Docs_ModCompress mentions that the webserver needs to have permissions to read from the caching directory. Is that true for you?
[16:42] <Younder> It is true for all web-servers
[16:43] <Assid> yes.. it creates the files .. s
[16:43] <routa> nacc: my bad. Yeh I've been checking the logs and they are filled with all kinds of stuff, I think I know whats causing it but I remember that you can limit the size and I'd like to do that before I can find a more permanent solution
[16:43] <pragmaticenigma> Assid: also double check the file size limits on compression? Max file size is 128MB
[16:43] <Assid> pragmaticenigma: all tiny files.. 2-300kb
[16:44] <pragmaticenigma> Assid: are they binary files?
[16:44] <Assid> nope.. js /css files but still no joy
[16:44] <nacc> routa: which log file?
[16:44] <Younder> Assid, yes, the 1024 block size means a lot of waste
[16:44] <ask-ygU5AP56> hello
[16:44] <ask-ygU5AP56> I want to disable the nvidia logo upon startup of X
[16:44] <ask-ygU5AP56> 18.04
[16:44] <ask-ygU5AP56> I see no xorg.conf, is creating one ok?
[16:44] <ask-ygU5AP56> I rather avoid messing some automatic setup up
[16:45] <pragmaticenigma> Younder: if you don't have constructive topics to add, please do not add commentary
[16:45] <brwoods> nacc: has to do with switching between multiple version of ubuntu etc for testing purposes and messing with grub isn't really wanted
[16:45] <Draconiator> I think 18.04 Xubuntu performs a lot better than 16.04 did on my netbook for some reason.  did they do some code streamlining?
[16:46] <pragmaticenigma> Assid: I would have to say if everything in that documentation page I sent was followed, it should be working. I'm not certain NGINX is going to help further, but it can't hurt to try and see. Might help trouble shoot the issue further
[16:46] <nacc> brwoods: why does the string used in uefi matter for that? or you mean you are doing distinct registrations in uefi?
[16:47] <nacc> ask-ygU5AP56: i doubt xorg is making an nvidia logo show up
[16:47] <Assid> pragmaticenigma: yes , ive been trying to work with it for hours.. but theres no help in the lighttpd channel either
[16:47] <brwoods> nacc: because having ubuntu and ubuntu as two entries doesn't really help much
[16:47] <pragmaticenigma> ask-ygU5AP56: X.org no longer uses xorg.conf files, it generates them on the fly during boot. If you have the nvidia configuration tool, I believe there is an option in there to turn off the logo splash.
[16:47] <ask-ygU5AP56> nacc, err?
[16:47] <nacc> brwoods: right, that's what i meant. So most people (I think) put ubuntu as the uefi entry, and then have the various distros in grub
[16:47] <ask-ygU5AP56> pragmaticenigma, yeah, it turns it off by creating a xorg.conf
[16:48] <brwoods> this has to be automatic and portable so grub doesn't really do much in way of that
[16:48] <brwoods> er, that was for nacc
[16:48] <iopq> how do I get my integrated to work while I have a gpu in?
[16:48] <nacc> brwoods: i think this is all in the efi config manager
[16:49] <gareppa> where does 18.04 save screenshots taken with the print screen button?
[16:49] <nacc> ask-ygU5AP56: are you using the nvidia binary driver? possibly with the nvidia control center or whatever it's called?
[16:49] <routa> nacc: syslog kern.log and system.journal
[16:49] <ask-ygU5AP56> nacc, yeah, that's why the logo shows up
[16:49] <iopq> It used to work before with a different card, but it's no longer working
[16:49] <nacc> gareppa: Pictures/
[16:49] <nacc> gareppa: in your home dir
[16:49] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, in that a bios issue?
[16:50] <brwoods> nacc: I know, but when I do a grub-install it works but fails to... I'll just figure it out myself
[16:50] <CheetahPixie> Okay, so
[16:50] <sky_> hey i need a ubuntu flavour with wine-mono gecko , crossover , java , steam  pre downloaded, flash player as gaming live cd not more than around 1.2 Gbs if that is possible ? as alternative ubuntu game pack is over 2.2 gigs
[16:50] <CheetahPixie> I need a little help.
[16:50] <nacc> routa: i think the journal can be limited, not sure about the others
[16:50] <ask-ygU5AP56> s/in/aint
[16:50] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, no, because the screen will show "low graphics mode" pop-up when I set integrated to be the default
[16:50] <CheetahPixie> I can't seem to get Wine 3.7 in.
[16:50] <CheetahPixie> It shows that I have Wine 2.8 on Ubuntu 17.10.
[16:50] <pragmaticenigma> !enter | CheetahPixie
[16:50] <gareppa> oh right lol thanks
[16:50] <nacc> ask-ygU5AP56: i assume that' sp robably configurable in the nvidia control center then
[16:50] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, iono, should work fine then if the os sees it
[16:50] <nacc> brwoods: what? fails to what?
[16:51] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, OS doesn't see it
[16:51] <CheetahPixie> In essence, I have here wine-staging that is 3.7.0, and then a bunch of Wine stuff that is 2.0.2. Somewhere in the mix, it gets confused and reports Wine 2.18 or something; I wanna remove these older versions, but not sure how I would go about that, or what to snipe.
[16:51] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, I should say xrandr doesn't see it and lshw does
[16:51] <sky_> hey i need a ubuntu flavour with wine-mono gecko , crossover , java , steam  pre downloaded, flash player as gaming live cd not more than around 1.2 Gbs if that is possible ? as alternative ubuntu game pack is over 2.2 gigs forgot to add android studio if that needed as well
[16:52] <CheetahPixie> Wait, wine64-development 2.18 is installed. hmm
[16:52] <nacc> sky_: i don't believe any flavor does that.
[16:52] <CheetahPixie> libwine-development, wine32-development, wine64-development... hmm
[16:52] <GrimSleepless> Well it is lighter on the computer, so yeah it would help
[16:52] <CheetahPixie> (I have a 64 bit Wineprefix by the way and want to keep that.)
[16:53] <sky_> nacc will you ask devs to make one flavour like i mentioned with size not exceeding too much
[16:53] <Some_Person> I'm a bit surprised that I can't seem to find an application that can view text messages on a phone via the Bluetooth Message Access Profile. Is there something I'm missing?
[16:53] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, what's Xorg say? paerhaps it's trying to initialize the wrong card?
[16:53] <ask-ygU5AP56> s/pear/per
[16:54] <Some_Person> It's a standard protocol that things like vehicles and smartwatches often use
[16:54] <pragmaticenigma> CheetahPixie: If you are developing an application, you may find better assistance in the #ubuntu-app-devel
[16:54] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, how do I check?
[16:55] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, oldschool thinking I'd say X needs correct information which display to hook up to which card and what driver to load. xorg log is at /var/log/Xorg.0.log or so
[16:55] <CheetahPixie> I am not.
[16:55] <CheetahPixie> I have no idea why those were installed.
[16:55] <pragmaticenigma> CheetahPixie: I'm having a difficult time understanding what you are attempting to do
[16:55] <CheetahPixie> Basically.
[16:56] <CheetahPixie> An old Wine 2.18 was in my system for some reason.
[16:56] <CheetahPixie> And I tried to update, but despite 3.7 existing on my system, winecfg still reported 2.18.
[16:56] <CheetahPixie> I was trying to fix that.
[16:56] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, I lack knowledge tho how this new generating-on-the-fly-config-X works though
[16:56] <sky_> hey i need a ubuntu flavour with wine-mono gecko , crossover , java , steam  pre downloaded, flash player as gaming live cd not more than around 1.2 Gbs if that is possible ? as alternative ubuntu game pack is over 2.2 gigs forgot to add vbox ,android studio if that needed as well
[16:56] <CheetahPixie> Decided I'd do a reinstall real quick.
[16:56] <CheetahPixie> Going to report back where that goes.
[16:57] <pragmaticenigma> CheetahPixie: The support version of Wine in Ubuntu is 1.6 currently (if I'm reading the package management correctly)
[16:57] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, what am I looking for
[16:57] <CheetahPixie> 3.7 is the latest staging, 3.0 is the latest stable.
[16:58] <pragmaticenigma> CheetahPixie: Ubuntu never distributes software that isn't from the developers stable branch.
[16:58] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, EE
[16:58] <nacc> sky_: please stop asking the same question and ignoring the answer you were given.
[16:58] <CheetahPixie> Wonder where that package comes from then.
[16:59] <nacc> sky_: and no, i won't ask the devs to do that
[16:59] <sky_> moving to distrowatch may be there some one make a new linux distro
[16:59] <pragmaticenigma> CheetahPixie: is this a machine you have owned and maintained or did someone give it to you?
[16:59] <ask-ygU5AP56> sky_, make your own
[16:59] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, only some warnings
[16:59] <CheetahPixie> I set it up myself.
[16:59] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, dunno bro
[16:59] <iopq> about fonts
[16:59] <CheetahPixie> (And of course this is my machine.)
[17:00] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, somehow it's not picking it up, mayhap some more info in dmesg?
[17:00] <pragmaticenigma> CheetahPixie: How did you install Wine? Where did you find instructions?
[17:00] <ask-ygU5AP56> what's it, var/log/messages ?
[17:00] <CheetahPixie> I don't even remember how I came upon those old packages.
[17:00] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, what are you trying to achieve anyway, multi screen, both cards working at the same time hooked to a separate monitor?
[17:01] <CheetahPixie> Me using computers and installing junk is like a good night out drinking; I don't remember what, when or where or how this package ended up on my system.
[17:01] <ask-ygU5AP56> CheetahPixie, that's the first heads up, from what I hear
[17:01] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, yes, that's what I'm trying to achieve
[17:01] <ask-ygU5AP56> CheetahPixie, to quit that is
[17:01] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, it worked before
[17:01] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, well, what did you change?
[17:01] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, but my GPU died so I replaced it with a different one
[17:01] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, still AMD
[17:01] <CheetahPixie> Not really.
[17:01] <ask-ygU5AP56> ok, same class?
[17:02] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, much older one
[17:02] <CheetahPixie> I've been doing it for 19 years, and this sorta stuff is how I've lerned.
[17:02] <ask-ygU5AP56> as in same version of card?
[17:02] <ask-ygU5AP56> k
[17:02] <ask-ygU5AP56> :/
[17:02] <CheetahPixie> So.
[17:02] <ask-ygU5AP56> CheetahPixie, drinking
[17:02] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, in between I used JUST the integrated and it worked
[17:02] <CheetahPixie> Oh, I don't drink.
[17:02] <ask-ygU5AP56> CheetahPixie, is what I write about
[17:02] <CheetahPixie> It was an analogy.
[17:02] <ask-ygU5AP56> CheetahPixie, good on you
[17:03] <ask-ygU5AP56> CheetahPixie, what driver do you use? amd fglrx or radeon opensource?
[17:03] <CheetahPixie> "Errors were encountered while processing: /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-McdoJL/129-libsane1_1.0.27-1-experimental2ubuntu2.1_i386.deb"
[17:03] <CheetahPixie> amdgpu
[17:03] <CheetahPixie> fglrx is long since deprecated.
[17:03] <Draconiator> they should call the next version of Ubuntu "Cheating Cheetah" because  well I have no idea how it runs so good on rotten potatoes lol
[17:03] <ask-ygU5AP56> well whatever ;)
[17:03] <ask-ygU5AP56> you know what I mean
[17:03] <ask-ygU5AP56> proptrietary/opensource
[17:03] <ask-ygU5AP56> propr*
[17:04] <CheetahPixie> :P
[17:04] <CheetahPixie> fglrx is a rotten shroom.
[17:04] <ask-ygU5AP56> Draconiator, /me has been using lubuntu for the past year on a z60m - 2GB ram, 1.7GHz pentium m
[17:04] <ask-ygU5AP56> working fine as a daily driver, only hacks a tad with youtube + flash
[17:04] <GrimSleepless> You shouldn't use fglrx anymore
[17:04] <ask-ygU5AP56> 240p is max it does
[17:05] <ask-ygU5AP56> oh man, they're waking up
[17:05] <ask-ygU5AP56> foret fglrx
[17:05] <ask-ygU5AP56> forget*
[17:05] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq,so which driver are you using for the ati card, the proprietary whatever its now called or the opensource one?
[17:05] <lapaga> maybe radeon driver not amdgpu
[17:05] <Draconiator> <---Xubuntu on a 1.1GHZ Intel Atom N270, 1GB RAM, and Intel 945 graphics.
[17:06] <CheetahPixie> Ayyy I got an N270 or N280 here.
[17:06] <CheetahPixie> (Not Spectre vulnerable, so ha)
[17:06] <ask-ygU5AP56> Draconiator, yeah, it worked fine w/ 512MB or so
[17:06] <ask-ygU5AP56> I added a SSD to the machine and being  roughly 15 years old, it performs alright
[17:06] <Draconiator> I did try and load it on my desktop because needed to format the SSD to upgrade to 18.04 and the darn thing loaded in like 5 seconds.
[17:07] <ask-ygU5AP56> :)
[17:07] <ask-ygU5AP56> yeah that's the bottleneck
[17:07] <ask-ygU5AP56> mostly
[17:07] <ask-ygU5AP56> for like daily performance I find ssd to be one of the key upgrades, given 2+GB ram is avail
[17:07] <ask-ygU5AP56> daily driver = dwarf fortress, ssh, mozilla, office
[17:08] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, open source one
[17:08] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, what's dmesg say?
[17:08] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, lots of things, what am I looking for?
[17:09] <ask-ygU5AP56> grep -i dri
[17:09] <ask-ygU5AP56> I recommend you less it though since you're looking for messages next to the dri messages
[17:09] <ask-ygU5AP56> look for radeon
[17:09] <ask-ygU5AP56> caseless
[17:09] <Peyam> hi
[17:09] <Peyam> if I install qt creator will it install all qt dependencies?
[17:10] <ask-ygU5AP56> try w/ apt and see what it suggests
[17:10] <ask-ygU5AP56> my bet is yes, if it's a dependency
[17:10] <Peyam> ask-ygU5AP56, was it to me?
[17:10] <ask-ygU5AP56> yess
[17:11] <ask-ygU5AP56> if you install via apt then sure, I reckon it pulls deps, from my experience, it does
[17:11] <iopq> it has like 3 of these: [    0.812615] radeon 0000:02:00.0: fence driver on ring 0 use gpu addr 0x0000000040000c00 and cpu addr 0xffff880415a93c00
[17:11] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, any errors?
[17:12] <ask-ygU5AP56> like DRM/DRI I think is what you look for; there RADEON with capital letters *I think*
[17:12] <ask-ygU5AP56> just give it a read
[17:12] <ask-ygU5AP56> and look for error
[17:12] <Peyam> ask-ygU5AP56, I wont be using qt at all. I try to find a good IDE for console application in c++. do you recommend any good solution?
[17:12] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, everything is green, that means no errors, right?
[17:12] <ask-ygU5AP56> Peyam, nope
[17:13] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, iono dude
[17:13] <ask-ygU5AP56> it's text
[17:13] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, it's colored text
[17:13] <ask-ygU5AP56> if ubuntu colours it somehow then that's ubuntu's thing
[17:13] <ask-ygU5AP56> I doubt it picks off errors
[17:14] <ask-ygU5AP56> the colour process that is
[17:16] <ask-ygU5AP56> hmm, I see some errors on mine and they're red; some are not though.
[17:17] <CheetahPixie> uh
[17:17] <CheetahPixie> wine keeps complaining about libsanew
[17:17] <CheetahPixie> what do?
[17:17] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, what exactly happens? is your integrated graphics card monitor output blank?
[17:18]  * ask-ygU5AP56 just cooked some on par beef & cabbage stew
[17:18] <ask-ygU5AP56> alright
[17:18] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, write what's up Imma see to try and help you out
[17:20] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, integrated monitor is on, but showing black screen
[17:21] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, when I hit reload, I see a load-out image on it, but nothing while Ubuntu is running
[17:21] <iopq> *reboot
[17:21] <ask-ygU5AP56> ok then it sounds like an X issue
[17:22] <ask-ygU5AP56> is an external monitor hooked to the discrete gpu (radeon) ?
[17:23] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, I made the AMD card hook up to the main monitor which is the discrete GPU one, and another monitor to the integrated
[17:23] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, you hook it up then boot or hook it up once booted?
[17:23] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, I left it hooked up while booting
[17:24] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, ok, I think it's worth trying to boot up just with the integrated card plugged in, for a test
[17:24] <ask-ygU5AP56> so, power off machine hard; power off monitors hard; disconnect radeon monitor; leave integrated monitor connected; power on monitors; power on machine
[17:24] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, take out the GPU out of the slot?
[17:24] <ask-ygU5AP56> observe results
[17:24] <ask-ygU5AP56> no
[17:24] <ask-ygU5AP56> just leave it monitorless upon hard reboot
[17:25] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, I get no output when I do that
[17:25] <ask-ygU5AP56> and keep a powered on monitor hooked onto the integrated card
[17:25] <ask-ygU5AP56> no output even from bios?
[17:25] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, because BIOS is set to have PCIe as default monitor
[17:25] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, when I switch to integrated being default, I can see the bios on the screen
[17:25] <ask-ygU5AP56> ok, well, is that crucial for you? to have the PCIe as default?
[17:25] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, but when I boot into Ubuntu I get low graphics mode on that monitor
[17:26] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, no, but it just doesn't work in Ubuntu when I boot up with integrated as the default I get low graphics mode
[17:26] <ask-ygU5AP56> what's low graphics mode? 256, 640x480 ?
[17:26] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, it's an error message telling me to fix my shit, it doesn't actually work
[17:27] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, something something you're in low graphics mode, fix your drivers
[17:27] <ask-ygU5AP56> well, what does it say in Xorg's and dmesg's logs then?
[17:27] <ask-ygU5AP56> any errors and if any, what ?
[17:27] <iopq> one sec let me do that again
[17:38] <Seven_Six_Two> I'm can't shut down! I've got a message "A stop job is running for Advanced key-value store (no timeout)" and has been running for over 15 minutes!
[17:39] <ask-ygU5AP56> Seven_Six_Two, hold in your power button; that oughta shut it down; otherwise, there's always the power cord to pull
[17:40] <ioria> lol
[17:41] <ioria> Seven_Six_Two, did you install redis ?
[17:41] <nacc> ask-ygU5AP56: while that is true, that's not necessarily great advice to give
[17:42] <strangeqargo> soo ubuntu upgrade borked my video setup (gdm3 fails miserably, lightdm  almost works) and I can't enter grub menu (since 17.10) because.. it doesn't react to shift :D
[17:42] <Seven_Six_Two> ioria, a while ago, I guess I never removed it... I did magic sysrq and will remove it
[17:42] <ioria> Seven_Six_Two, ok, if you don't need it anymore
[17:44] <nacc> strangeqargo: shift? did you mean escape?
[17:44] <strangeqargo> ooh it's escape now? Should check tomorrow.
[17:46] <onefix> Anyone else having trouble compiling ffmpeg on 18.04?
[17:47] <nacc> onefix: it's available in the repository
[17:48] <PsychoBoB> guys
[17:48] <isene> brainwash: I solved the issues with powertop. Thanks for reminding me :-)
[17:48] <PsychoBoB> How I can to access the S3 Amazon using ubuntu?
[17:48] <onefix> Yeah, but I need nvenc, which is why I'm trying to compile it.  It did fine on 16.04 and it seems to go through the compilation fine ... it's failing on the x264 libraries...
[17:49] <isene> brainwash: Actually, now I have an extra hour of battery time since upgrading to 18.04 (13+ hours)
[17:52] <Sven_vB> rfkill --list has lots of entries of the form number + ": hci" + number + ": Bluetooth"; how can I discover more details like the MAC, or their USB address? (they're USB BT dongles)
[17:52] <nacc> Sven_vB: lsusb?
[17:53] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, https://pastebin.com/6rkSDbBs
[17:54] <iopq> this is with integrated being default, but also the other screen being plugged in
[17:55] <phinxy> On bionic beaver I'm having the issue that right-click context-menus/popup-windows only shows for the fraction of a second, then disappears. The issue only arise when starting programs directly in Xorg, on their own tty linux console, without any WM.  It has something to do with the mouse cursor focus because if the cursor is moved fast enough out of the program, the right-click menu stays open until the menu
[17:55] <phinxy> is mouse overed.  I've tried to add a xorg.conf mouse device and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.
[17:55] <Some_Person> I'm a bit surprised that I can't seem to find an application that can view text messages on a phone via the Bluetooth Message Access Profile. Is there something I'm missing?
[17:57] <Plumble> Isnt there any way to have iptables rules persist through reboots in 18.04? Not using ufw cmd normal iptables syntax
[17:58] <phinxy> Plumble? On Debian I put the iptable rules in /etc/network/interfaces
[17:59] <phinxy> But interfaces seems to be deprecated so perhaps not a good idea
[17:59] <EriC^^> Plumble: look into iptables-save and iptables-restore commands
[18:00] <Plumble> @phinxy ive used iptables-save and iptables-restore but still gets flushed
[18:00] <Plumble> Only way they persist if i use ufw cmd
[18:03] <Sven_vB> nacc, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fPHZnwxtyV/ <-- which field of lsusb tells me it's device #15 or hci0?
[18:04] <blackflow> Plumble: do you have netfilter-persistent installed?
[18:04] <Sven_vB> oh, the "Device 014" is misleading. I'll fix that
[18:06] <OnceMe> I have laptop with 4x Intel Core i5-4210U CPU @ 1.70GHZ, can this support 18.04 ubuntu?
[18:07] <leftyfb> OnceMe: try it
[18:08] <OnceMe> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[18:08] <OnceMe> 2 GHz dual core processor
[18:08] <OnceMe> I have 4G of ram
[18:09] <leftyfb> OnceMe: you could try xubuntu or lubuntu
[18:10] <Sven_vB> that's strange. looks like indeed bus 2 is exclusively for Bluetooth dongles.
[18:11] <c_cinap> Hello anyone 3rd request for some insight.... I would like to be able to view the logs from UFW. connections accepted and denied. I believe I used to cat /var/log/messages
[18:11] <c_cinap> back in 13.10 but in 16.04 there is no messages files.I Googled the crap out of ufw logs with no luck - anyone?
[18:11] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, oh yeah I put in the video card in a different slot than before
[18:11] <iopq> maybe I should switch it again and see
[18:12] <oerheks> c_cinap, no, in the systemlog, but you could make a seperate log >
[18:12] <oerheks> sudo ufw logging on >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UncomplicatedFirewall
[18:13] <OnceMe> leftyfb: I want ubuntu 18.04
[18:13] <leftyfb> OnceMe: yup
[18:13] <Sven_vB> nacc, ok fixed, now it's BT device #26 vs. USB device 30 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vVrKBRK87r/
[18:14] <leftyfb> OnceMe: both of those are up to 18.04
[18:14] <ikkuranus> I accidentally copied over the recycle.bin folder from a windows volume to my ext4 drive. rm wont remove it
[18:14] <ikkuranus> or even rm -r
[18:15] <nacc> Sven_vB: sorry, what do you need from me?
[18:15] <MonkeyDust> ikkuranus  and sudo rm ?
[18:15] <ikkuranus> yeah with sudo
[18:16] <ask-ygU5AP56> nacc, well, he wanted it off
[18:16] <MonkeyDust> ikkuranus  try booting a live cd/usb and delete it from there
[18:16] <ask-ygU5AP56> nacc, off = no power
[18:16] <Sven_vB> nacc, I'd like advice on how I can relate the lsusb output to the rfkill device number or name
[18:17] <ikkuranus> is that necessary? the drive in question isn't the os drive
[18:17] <Sven_vB> nacc, or other ideas on how to obtain uniquely identifying info about the rfkill devices, ideally their MAC
[18:17] <nacc> Sven_vB: i'm not sure you can
[18:17] <blackflow> ikkuranus: first question, rm won't remove it how? what does it say?
[18:18] <nacc> Sven_vB: oh, you can use -o with the fields from --help
[18:18] <ikkuranus> rm: cannot remove '.BIN': No such file or directory
[18:18] <ikkuranus> I assume because $ is some kind of wildcard
[18:18] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, I doubt a different slot is to cause issues
[18:19] <blackflow> ikkuranus: uh what's the actual command you're trying to do?
[18:19] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, I read your dmesg; I see no errors there; what do you get in X's log ?
[18:19] <Sven_vB> nacc, how/where? neither manpages of rfkill nor lsusb show a -o option
[18:19] <ikkuranus> sudo rm -r $RECYCLE.BIN
[18:19] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, how do I get the x log again
[18:19] <nacc> Sven_vB: yes they do
[18:19] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, from dmesg I see both intel and radeon drm buffers initialized
[18:19] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, /var/log/
[18:19] <nacc> Sven_vB: at least on 18.04 they certainly do
[18:19] <blackflow> ikkuranus: yeah that's not gonna work. put the filename in SINGLE quote.   rm '$RECYCLE.BIN'
[18:19] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, there's an Xorg there somewhere - Xorg.0.log or Xorg.1.log whichever is the current one
[18:19] <blackflow> ikkuranus: don't need -r, that's recursive, and this ain't a dir, is it?
[18:20] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, if one's for one display and another of other, paste both
[18:20] <Sven_vB> nacc, unfortunately, on xenial, "( man lsusb; man rfkill ) | grep -Fe -o" is empty
[18:20] <ikkuranus> probably not but that worked
[18:20] <blackflow> ikkuranus:  $ is prefix for variables in (ba)sh. $RECYCLE.BIN, it expects $RECYCLE variable to be st
[18:20] <blackflow> *set
[18:21] <SPF> I'm on 16.04.3 LTS and Firefox says it's critically out of date but if I click update in software center it says no update available
[18:21] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, got some errors https://pastebin.com/C6Tuhfe0
[18:21] <nacc> SPF: you should be on 16.04.4
[18:22] <SPF> nacc: how?
[18:23] <nacc> SPF: update your system (use apt)
[18:23] <nacc> SPF: although the update-manager should have done it already
[18:23] <Sven_vB> nacc, I see http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man8/rfkill.8.html lists an --output option, so does the new rfkill have more columns than id, name, type?
[18:23] <nacc> SPF: see the pretty graph at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[18:23] <blackflow> ikkuranus: so what happened here is that $RECYCLE variable is not set, and the shell is expanding it to nothing, thus not finding the '.BIN' file. putting it in single quotes does NOT expand on $. Alternatively ,you could've escaped $, I think   \$RECYCLE.BIN would've worked too.
[18:23] <nacc> SPF: i dunno
[18:23] <designbybeck> Best way to get Hot Corners in Gnome-Tweaks?
[18:23] <nacc> SPF: sorry --^ for Sven_vB
[18:23] <nacc> Sven_vB: i don't know, sorry, and i need to go do some other stuf
[18:23] <designbybeck> Or to set HotCorners for 18.04
[18:23] <ask-ygU5AP56> [    29.703] (EE) Please also check the log file at "/var/log/Xorg.1.log" for additional information.
[18:23] <Sven_vB> nacc, ok, thanks anyway!
[18:23] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, paste that
[18:24] <SPF> nacc: I tried apt-get update;apt-get upgrade;apt-get dist-upgrade;apt-get full-upgrade
[18:24] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, looks to me that the radeon driver gets messed up, doesn't recognize the card, tries ati instead
[18:24] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, intel gets picked up fine from what I read
[18:24] <lesshaste> when I do sudo apt-get update on my 16.04 machine I see : Failed to fetch http://shell.ninthgate.se/packages/debian/dists/jessie/InRelease  Could not connect to shell.ninthgate.se:80 (195.22.88.165). - connect (111: Connection refused)
[18:24] <lesshaste> how can I remove that?
[18:24] <lesshaste> I don't think it's relevant any more
[18:24] <Sven_vB> does anyone else have an idea how I can find which of my USB bluetooth antennas in "rfkill list" is which USB device, or their MAC?
[18:24] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, but how come then it doesn't show the desktop on the intel one
[18:24] <ask-ygU5AP56> lesshaste, remove it from your apt sources
[18:24] <nacc> SPF: lsb_release -sd says what?
[18:25] <SPF> Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
[18:25] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, no idea, paste other log file
[18:25] <kaili> Hello ! Tried to make a fresh install of 18.04 today but the installer keeps crashing. I found several bug reports about installer crashing, I think the closiest one to my problem is this one : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/1762849
[18:25] <nacc> SPF: i assume you ran that with sudo?
[18:25] <nacc> SPF: the apt commands
[18:25] <SPF> nacc: doesn;t matter, same result
[18:25] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, this here logs, it's when you: turn on machine with monitor plugged into the integrated card; no monitor on external card; ? correct ?
[18:25] <lesshaste> ask-ygU5AP56,  how do I do that?
[18:25] <nacc> SPF: what kernel are you on ?
[18:25] <nacc> SPF: uh ... well without sudo it should give you an error.
[18:26] <SPF> 4.4.0-98-generic #121-Ubuntu
[18:26] <kaili> I have the same kind of message about libpartman thing. Is there any workaround ? Because crash happens after whole disk is erased ! So I can't even go back to my old 17.10 :p
[18:26] <ask-ygU5AP56> lesshaste, there's a file in /etc/apt/ - apt.sources.list or so? look through, remove the line responsible for the mirror in question
[18:26] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, what's the other log? I have the monitor plugged into the external card, should I unplug it?
[18:26] <nacc> SPF: you aren't running a current xenial kernel, have you rebooted when the system says you need to?
[18:26] <nacc> SPF: 4.4.0-121/122 is current
[18:26] <SPF> nacc: I reboot every day
[18:26] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, look, do this: unplug external; power off; plug internal; power on; then paste Xorg.1.log and Xorg.0.log and dmesg
[18:26] <nacc> SPF: then you are manually using an insecure kernel, or removed the metapackage
[18:26] <lesshaste> ask-ygU5AP56,  ok thanks
[18:27] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, no monitor on the external card just for now; until you get a working X on your intel card w/ your external card plugged in
[18:27] <ask-ygU5AP56> lesshaste, no worries
[18:27] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, ok, one sec let me try
[18:28] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, so both cards in, monitor only on intel, hard reboot; monitor ON
[18:28] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, make sure to power cycle it HARD
[18:28] <SPF> nacc: I wouldn't know. I have no clue what metapackage is
[18:30] <nacc> SPF: e.g., linux-image-generic, or ubuntu-desktop, etc.
[18:31] <kaili> This kind of bug is way too serious for a LTS, they shouldn't have released it with this kind of bug...
[18:32] <blackflow> kaili: it's obviously not prevalent or easy to trigger, otherwise there'd be way more noise around it.
[18:32] <blackflow> meanwhile, I installed 18.04 just fine.
[18:32] <SPF> nacc: ah, yes I had some trouble with that before. I tried to add the bar to the left with icons, but I never got it to work
[18:33] <SPF> I think it's called unity?
[18:33] <kaili> Well there are already 5 bugs report in a few days, sounds quite noisy to me. Even have demo video on youtube
[18:33] <kaili> Sounds quite noisy to me
[18:34] <merpnderp> Anyone use their linux box to do dev work by RDP'ing into a win10 machine? How's the RDP experience?
[18:34] <merpnderp> Snappy?
[18:34] <ask-ygU5AP56> depends on your network I think
[18:35] <blackflow> kaili: also, please note that every new release will have bugs. ideally, stable systems should be expected with the first point release, 18.04.1
[18:35] <SPF> merpnderp: I tried xfreedp but it doesnt always work
[18:35] <kaili> Problem is the crash happens just after the whole disk is erased :x
[18:35] <theTOOLMAN> merpnderp: i use remmina to rdp into my windows 10 box. i do dev on the linux side. win is just for office products and windows only programs
[18:35] <lesshaste> when I run ifconfig  I see docker0 and enp2s0 where I was expecting to just see eth0. What are those?
[18:36] <theTOOLMAN> lesshaste: enp2s0 is your physical and its logical interface
[18:36] <theTOOLMAN> the docker is because you have docker installed or are in a docker container
[18:37] <blackflow> lesshaste: the new, "predictable", network interface default naming scheme, based on physical and logical location of the device. named by the kernel, exposed by systemd.
[18:37] <lesshaste> thanks! So what is docker0??
[18:37] <blackflow> lesshaste: also, get along with ip, as ifconfig has been deprecated
[18:37] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, I tried just unplugging and it made no difference
[18:37] <theTOOLMAN> !docker
[18:38] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, just unplugging? with the machine on ?
[18:38] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, now I completely removed the AMD card and booted on my integrated just fine
[18:38] <theTOOLMAN> i guess there wasn't one
[18:38] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, with the machine off
[18:38] <lesshaste> blackflow, what is the equivalent "ip" command that gives you this info?
[18:38] <theTOOLMAN> ip addr
[18:38] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, ok, so you unplugged the external monitor, then booted, and it made no difference?
[18:38] <lesshaste> thanks..so what is docker0?
[18:38] <blackflow> lesshaste: ip addr show
[18:38] <theTOOLMAN> lesshaste: that was for you
[18:38] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, absolutely none, but when I took the card out it's fine
[18:39] <lesshaste> : docker0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state DOWN group default
[18:39] <lesshaste> theTOOLMAN, thanks
[18:39] <theTOOLMAN> lesshaste: https://docs.docker.com/network/bridge/
[18:39] <blackflow> lesshaste: I'm guessing some bridge or something by docker...  ah theTOOLMAN has a link.
[18:39] <lesshaste> theTOOLMAN,  hmm.. this is my normal desktop pc in my home
[18:39] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, the card being plugged in loads the drivers for it, whether or not it's connected to the monitor it seems
[18:39] <lesshaste> I am not aware of ever setting up a bridge
[18:39] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, as to be expected; but what I want to see is the logs; when you do as I wrote - run the machine w/ both cards, but only the integrated one hooked to a monitor vs both hooked to a monitor - I want to see if the logs differ for both cases
[18:39] <theTOOLMAN> lesshaste: have you installed docker?
[18:40] <lesshaste> theTOOLMAN, hmm.. maybe I did once
[18:40] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, point is, from what I recall, at some point cards started to realize a monitor is plugged into them
[18:40] <lesshaste> I don't use it
[18:40] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, and based off of that it could be the order of things gets messsed up
[18:40] <theTOOLMAN> lesshaste: so uninstall it
[18:40] <theTOOLMAN> i found a great meme that describes docker
[18:40] <merpnderp> theTOOLMAN: I'm wanting to switch to linux from my mac, but macos has an actual windows RDP client that works perfectly :/
[18:40] <lesshaste> theTOOLMAN, how do you check which ubuntu packages are installed again?
[18:40] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, yeah let me try
[18:40] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, as in the incorrect card gets initialized etc; you could just hardcode an Xorg.conf I think and oughta be fine; on a vanilla distro; I lack knowledge though how it is w/ new X or how ubuntu modifies it
[18:41] <lesshaste> apt list --installed
[18:42] <theTOOLMAN> merpnderp: remmina works just as good if not better than the two variants of rdpc i know for mac
[18:43] <merpnderp> theTOOLMAN: I'm using Microsoft Remote Desktop 8.0.43 and you're saying remmina works better? Cause that is music to my ears.
[18:43] <theTOOLMAN> yes much better
[18:43] <theTOOLMAN> and it also provides vnc as well
[18:43] <c_cinap> oerheks: Sorry about the delay... Big thanks!! That solved it.
[18:43] <theTOOLMAN> after using it, i started to hate the m$ version on mac
[18:43] <theTOOLMAN> !windoze
[18:44] <theTOOLMAN> or making windoze look like it sucks ;)
[18:45] <theTOOLMAN> in fact, it got to the point where i installed ubuntu in a virtualbox to run in seamless mode just to use remmina
[18:45] <theTOOLMAN> and now because i want a layer of abstraction between me and the apple
[18:45] <theTOOLMAN> !applw
[18:45] <theTOOLMAN> !apple
[18:45] <SPF> nacc: do you think it's better to reinstall Ubuntu?
[18:46] <theTOOLMAN> !sudo
[18:46] <theTOOLMAN> !vim
[18:46] <theTOOLMAN> !html
[18:47] <theTOOLMAN> i have my own dictionary here
[18:47] <theTOOLMAN> !love
[18:47] <ask-ygU5AP56> !spam
[18:47] <blackflow> maybe better /msg your private dictionary?
[18:47] <theTOOLMAN> 14:48 <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about love
[18:48] <SlidingHorn> theTOOLMAN: please stop spamming the chat, and keep the room clear for those who have support requests
[18:49] <theTOOLMAN> whats the difference between my "spam" and the constant going in and out of people? asking for a friend
[18:50] <ask-ygU5AP56> theTOOLMAN, the difference is I reckon you're more likely to get banned and kicked for yours
[18:50] <ask-ygU5AP56> theTOOLMAN, though try and join/part quickly and repetively, see where that gets you
[18:50] <MonkeyDust> theTOOLMAN  you can disable those messages
[18:50] <ask-ygU5AP56> MonkeyDust, you can /ignore theTOOLMAN too
[18:51] <MonkeyDust> ask-ygU5AP56  i havent followed
[18:51] <ask-ygU5AP56> MonkeyDust, point being, that is not the difference
[18:51] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, OK, I got everything
[18:51] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, works?
[18:51] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, nope, but I copied all the logs
[18:51] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, alright, paste
[18:52] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, https://pastebin.com/GBgqpYdc
[18:52] <MonkeyDust> ask-ygU5AP56
[18:52] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, the last thing to try I think is to try w/ the slot as you used before (I recall you mention you had the card in another pcie slot before when using the old discrete graphics - I doubt that'd make a difference, but perhaps) and then w/ the amdgpu proprietry driver
[18:53] <MonkeyDust> ask-ygU5AP56  type this    /ignore #ubuntu +joins +parts +quits +modes +nicks
[18:53] <ask-ygU5AP56> MonkeyDust, I know
[18:53] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, https://pastebin.com/9Uu7Tszw
[18:53] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, yeah I reseated it in the other slot, made no difference like you said :)
[18:54] <MonkeyDust> theTOOLMAN  type this   /ignore #ubuntu +joins +parts +quits +modes +nicks
[18:54] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, https://pastebin.com/tusBCRUQ
[18:54] <theTOOLMAN> [    29.703] (WW) xf86OpenConsole: setpgid failed: Operation not permitted
[18:54] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, I think you pasted the same one
[18:55] <theTOOLMAN> iopq: i'm guessing that dmesg entry might have something to do with your problem
[18:55] <theTOOLMAN> [    29.703] (WW) xf86OpenConsole: setsid failed: Operation not permitted
[18:55] <curtis> i have upgrade and now my owncloud does not work. Only show text
[18:55] <ask-ygU5AP56> there you go
[18:55] <theTOOLMAN> [    29.703] (EE) no screens found(EE)
[18:55] <iopq> I have no idea what that means D:
[18:55] <curtis> to 18.04
[18:55] <ask-ygU5AP56> theTOOLMAN, yeah that happens later
[18:56] <iopq> theTOOLMAN, the no screens found IS my issue
[18:56] <theTOOLMAN> ok i'm having that issue on my latest build of gentoo with dual ati 7970s so ping me when you find a solution
[18:56] <ask-ygU5AP56> man try w/ the proprietary amdgpu driver; see if that makes a diff
[18:56] <ask-ygU5AP56> that's the last of the quick fixes I have coming to mind at the moment
[18:56] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, there is no proprietary driver for 16.04 lol, card is too old
[18:57] <ask-ygU5AP56> oh
[18:57] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, is there like a weird ppa I can try
[18:57] <ask-ygU5AP56> dunno
[18:57] <ask-ygU5AP56> I doubt that's the way to go; especially since it worked before
[18:57] <ask-ygU5AP56> you used radeon driver before too, no?
[18:57] <theTOOLMAN> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/AMD
[18:57] <ask-ygU5AP56> that permission message from your dmesg though that theTOOLMAN noticed
[18:57] <ask-ygU5AP56> that looks like an issue
[18:58] <ask-ygU5AP56> it's only a warning though...
[18:58] <theTOOLMAN> no. this is def a driver issue
[18:58] <theTOOLMAN> thats unrelated
[18:58] <theTOOLMAN> iopq: what card are you running?
[18:58] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, looks to me like your issue peaked interest in the channel :)
[18:58] <ask-ygU5AP56> imma leave you two then to figuring out your common issue..
[18:59] <iopq> theTOOLMAN I'm running 5750 because my new one died
[18:59] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, thanks for your help, at least I can throw logs at people now
[18:59] <theTOOLMAN> that should be supported
[18:59] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, no bother
[18:59]  * ask-ygU5AP56 likes solving 
[18:59] <iopq> theTOOLMAN yeah by the open source driver, but the last proprietary driver is for 15.04
[19:00] <theTOOLMAN> the machne i have with the dual 7970s has been probelms for years. thinking about going and getting dual nvidia 710s
[19:00] <theTOOLMAN> i never have problems with my nvidia and intel boxes
[19:00] <theTOOLMAN> maybe one day ati/amd will put their heads on right
[19:01] <theTOOLMAN> these 7970s have 3gb of ram on them
[19:01] <ask-ygU5AP56> https://hashcat.net/forum/showthread.php?mode=linear&tid=6444&pid=34335
[19:01] <theTOOLMAN> they'd probably work good with windows but i don't need that kind of negativity around me
[19:01] <theTOOLMAN> Access to the web page you were trying to visit has been blocked in accordance with company policy. Please contact your system administrator if you believe this is in error.
[19:01] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, have a look at this; similar issue; I think hardcoding an xorg.conf still works;
[19:01] <theTOOLMAN> lol i am the systems adminsitrator damn it
[19:01] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, so what you need is two entries, one for your intel card and one for your radeon card
[19:02] <ask-ygU5AP56> theTOOLMAN, /etc/rc.d/pf stop ?
[19:02] <ask-ygU5AP56> ;-)
[19:03] <theTOOLMAN> ask-ygU5AP56: i'm behind a palo 7050
[19:03] <theTOOLMAN> more like add hashcat.net to "theTOOLMANS whitelist"
[19:03] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, should I just create that file?
[19:03] <ask-ygU5AP56> 120GBps fw throughput
[19:03] <ask-ygU5AP56> neat
[19:03] <ask-ygU5AP56> fancy
[19:04] <theTOOLMAN> its like a fridge
[19:04] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, well, w/ all the correct lines in it
[19:04] <ask-ygU5AP56> theTOOLMAN, yeah, I see
[19:04] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, I don't know what the correct lines would be, should I just paste his or do I need to actually edit it to be correct for my setup?
[19:04] <ask-ygU5AP56> last time I had been doing network setups, 1Gbps was the dogs
[19:04] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, edit
[19:04] <SlidingHorn> ask-ygU5AP56 & theTOOLMAN - can we please keep this to direct ubuntu support?  There's always #ubuntu-offtopic for the side banter.
[19:05] <ask-ygU5AP56> SlidingHorn, what are we doing other than trying to solve a graphics card issue inside ubuntu?
[19:05] <ask-ygU5AP56> SlidingHorn, side of the banter, we're on it
[19:05] <SlidingHorn> ask-ygU5AP56: and that's much appreciated.  There's also a lot of off-topic banter in the meantime, which is more than welcome in #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[19:05] <iopq> ask-ygU5AP56, yeah I saw nvidia in there :/ so what am I supposed to put in that file?
[19:06] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, one line for your intel card one line for your radeon card; for examples, turn to the interwebs
[19:06] <theTOOLMAN> !xorg.conf
[19:06] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, man xorg.conf
[19:06] <ask-ygU5AP56> or, there you go!
[19:06] <theTOOLMAN> says its deprecated. what was it replaced by?
[19:07] <ask-ygU5AP56> theTOOLMAN, nothing; it's aparently generated on-the-fly
[19:07] <ask-ygU5AP56> from what I read here
[19:07] <theTOOLMAN> i feel like a caveman now. *scratches beard*
[19:07] <theTOOLMAN> i think this is the important part.
[19:07] <theTOOLMAN> but sometimes may still be needed to pass values to specific drivers.
[19:07] <iopq> I forgot, man pages make my eyes roll backwards
[19:07] <ask-ygU5AP56> yepp
[19:07] <iopq> I need bro pages or something
[19:08] <theTOOLMAN> hmmmm. try this
[19:08] <theTOOLMAN> find / -name examples -type d | grep xorg
[19:08] <theTOOLMAN> grep -i xorg
[19:09] <theTOOLMAN> find /usr -name examples -type d | grep -i xorg
[19:09] <ask-ygU5AP56> anyway; enough of this; iopq I think creating a proper xorg.conf file is to be the solution; w/ correct BusID entries for hard identifying your cards; and separate Device and Screen entries for both cards
[19:09] <ask-ygU5AP56> theTOOLMAN, that too iopq
[19:09] <ioria> iopq, may i ask you why you need a xorg.conf ?
[19:09] <nikk_> Hello, I have Ubuntu 16.04 and am trying to install mesa on it. I have cloned this repo : git://anongit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa.Also ran ./configure and ./autogen.sh. But am facing the following errors constantly after running 'sudo make': https://pastebin.com/bSZFid0r. Please help me solve it!
[19:09] <iopq> ioria, because my intel integrated graphics doesn't work with the AMD card in
[19:09] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, he's got two cards, one integrated, one discrete, not works
[19:10] <ioria> iopq, laptop ?
[19:10] <iopq> ioria, desktop
[19:10] <ioria> iopq, and you want your intel working ?
[19:11] <theTOOLMAN> nikk_: looks like someone didn't link functions properly. have you contacted support or consulted the documentation?
[19:11] <iopq> ioria, yes, it works when I actually shut the system down (so it's actually working otherwise) or when I take the card out - it doesn't work when I set the default to integrated (doesn't find any screens and gives error low graphics mode)
[19:11] <iopq> ioria, but when I take the AMD card out it works fine and it worked with a different (newer) AMD card in
[19:11] <surye> I am seeing something somewhat strange, Ubuntu 18.04, LXD, In the host OS I seem to be seeing about 4 defunct init processes per container, so on login I am getting "There are 32 zombie processes." Everything seems to be working fine but it seems odd.
[19:12] <ioria> iopq, when you plug the discrete one, the integrated is automatically disabled
[19:12] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, it's not
[19:12] <ask-ygU5AP56> ioria, it's not
[19:12] <Xard> Is there any way to hide snap loop devices from the gnome-system-monitor "file systems" in ubuntu 18.04?
[19:12] <iopq> ioria, clearly not if I see the load-out for Ubuntu when I hit shut down - I actually went into the BIOS and enabled having both
[19:12] <ask-ygU5AP56> ioria, he gets dmesg and boot messages on that card w/ the discrete graphics plugged in; also has set the bios to use the integrated card as default
[19:13] <nikk_> @theTOOLMAN wee are following the mesa documentation. but facing the hard link error. Can you suggest what should be done? Do we manually do it via 'ln'?
[19:14] <theTOOLMAN> i'm thinking its more of an ld kinda link
[19:14] <theTOOLMAN> i don't know anything about mesa though
[19:14] <ioria> iopq, can you please paste   sudo lshw -C video ?
[19:16] <iopq> ioria, certainly https://pastebin.com/MsWLbSU7
[19:17] <ask-ygU5AP56> iopq, gl
[19:17]  * ask-ygU5AP56 &
[19:17] <nikk_> theTOOLMAN oh okay, thanks!
[19:17] <ioria> iopq, xrandr --listproviders
[19:17] <ask-ygU5AP56> theTOOLMAN, untill another time
[19:18] <iopq> Providers: number : 1
[19:18] <iopq> Provider 0: id: 0x59 cap: 0x9, Source Output, Sink Offload crtcs: 6 outputs: 4 associated providers: 0 name:ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series @ pci:0000:01:00.0
[19:18] <theTOOLMAN> udo -i- u ansible
[19:18] <theTOOLMAN> damnnnit wrong window
[19:18] <phinxy> When compiling a X program on a arm64/aarch64 computer the error "undefined reference to XGetWindowAttribute" comes.  In the makefile the libX11.so is included and the library directory is linked with -L..
[19:20] <ioria> iopq, glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer"
[19:20] <spikebike> phinxy: you need a -l as well
[19:20] <iopq> OpenGL renderer string: AMD JUNIPER (DRM 2.43.0 / 4.4.0-122-generic, LLVM 5.0.0)
[19:21] <ioria> iopq,  DRI_PRIME=1 glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer"
[19:21] <phinxy> spikebike? You mean -lX11 ?
[19:22] <iopq> OpenGL renderer string: AMD JUNIPER (DRM 2.43.0 / 4.4.0-122-generic, LLVM 5.0.0)
[19:22] <iopq> ioria, in other words it gives me exactly the same thing
[19:22] <ioria> iopq,  yep
[19:23] <ioria> iopq,  this in a pastebinit:  lspci    lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D'
[19:23] <ioria> iopq,  this in a pastebinit:     lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D'
[19:24] <iopq> ioria, https://pastebin.com/9UdYcwsA
[19:24] <nikk_> Anyone else who has used mesa with ubuntu?
[19:24] <iopq> nikk_, me LUL
[19:25] <nikk_> iopq can you help me with the error?
[19:25] <ioria> iopq,  btw, why you want intel ?
[19:25] <iopq> nikk_, unlikely, I have no idea what I'm doing
[19:26] <iopq> ioria, because my card only has one dvi output so to connect my second monitor i need to use onboard
[19:26] <designbybeck3> had a new install 18.04. got things installed and seemed good. But when I restarted I get BOOTMGR Missing...press ctrl+alt+delete to reboot
[19:26] <ioria> iopq,  i see
[19:26] <designbybeck3> Is this a GRUB Issue I can fix with Boot-Repair in 18.04?
[19:28] <ioria> iopq,  i hope you can prove me wrong... but you can't
[19:28] <iopq> ioria, wrong about what? did I miss a message
[19:29] <ioria> iopq,  dual monitor
[19:29] <iopq> I had it working before with the other card, but on the VGA interface
[19:30] <iopq> I'm going to install shady stuff from ppas
[19:30] <oerheks> dvi splitter
[19:30] <iopq> oerheks, my monitor is 2560x1440 I don't think there's enough bandwidth for it lol
[19:30] <oerheks> you would be surprised
[19:31] <iopq> better solution is to find a monitor lying around with an HDMI input (do they make those?)
[19:31] <oerheks> no, that would be an expensive capturecard, $800+
[19:31] <iopq> can't I just hook up a TV to the HDMI port
[19:32] <oerheks> sure, but that would be hdmi-output
[19:33] <ioria> iopq,  maybe some weird xorg.conf configuration ... but never tried
[19:34] <theTOOLMAN> ot af, but on the topic of capturecards, http://yuan.com.tw/products/capture/capture.htm
[19:35] <iopq> oerheks, I just need to see my other windows when I'm inside a full screen game that's all I ever wanted
[19:35] <theTOOLMAN> i've personally used the quad hdmi capture card from that company on ubuntu 12.04,14.04, and 16.04 using v4l2. great equipment
[19:35] <theTOOLMAN> oh and 10.04
[19:36] <ioria> iopq,  do you have a xorg.conf set atm   ?
[19:36] <iopq> ioria, no
[19:37] <ioria> iopq,  to be sure:   sudo updatedb && locate xorg.conf
[19:37] <iopq> ioria, oh those I have
[19:38] <ioria> iopq,  please, paste
[19:38] <iopq> https://pastebin.com/2Vd4kG6z
[19:39] <ioria> iopq,  no, it's ok
[19:40] <iopq> one sec, rebooting to test something
[19:40] <ioria> iopq,  cd /etc/X11
[19:40] <ioria> ok
[19:40] <iopq> yeah still here
[19:41] <ioria> iopq,  reboot, np
[19:41] <iopq> ok brb
[19:46] <zapadas> Crazy 14.04 networking question...well not that crazy, just weird...any networking gurus around?
[19:47] <toothe> Hi all. I am trying to download Ubuntu MATE, but the DL link is stalling. Is there an alternate Download link?
[19:47] <Sven_vB> zapadas, some might admit to it if the question is interesting enough.
[19:47] <zapadas> It's a good one: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1031695/default-gateway-in-a-vlan-does-not-come-back-up-when-physical-interface-is-ifdow
[19:48] <zapadas> Gateway in a VLAN, ifdown/ifup the parent physical interface, default gateway doesn't come back up!  Whaaat!??
[19:48] <toothe> weird, it works now...
[19:49] <Sven_vB> toothe, maybe the server was just too busy
[19:50] <zapadas> If I ifdown/ifup the VLAN interface specifically, default gateway does come back up!  Whaaaat!??
[19:52] <zapadas> Sven_vB interesting enough?  That's all on 14.04.
[20:00] <designbybeck4> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xyMcwNzj6m/
[20:13] <jackhum> my ubuntu freezes when my ram reaches 96%+ . is there any way or tool that can kill some large needy process automatically if my ram exceeds like 95% ?
[20:14] <enyc> jackhum: hrrm kernel will evenutalyl xell something if its truly wedged
[20:15] <enyc> jackhum: it sounds like you're being impatient for it to recover
[20:15] <enyc> jackhum: really, yiou just have to either (1) sort out what you are sarting tahts eating too much ram and don't do it or (2) get more ram
[20:15] <jackhum> enyc, my laptop freezes and then it hangs when it goes beyond 98% , most of the time i have to hard restart it
[20:16] <jackhum> enyc, i have 8 gigs , :(
[20:16] <brainwash> no swap?
[20:16] <enyc> jackhum: 'top' in 'M' (sort by memory) mode may give clues
[20:16] <enyc> brainwash: thats a god point
[20:16] <enyc> jackhum: aah i have my dual-PIII server max'ed out with 1024MB and running many virtual machines ;p
[20:17] <enyc> jackhum: yes, check on "cat /proc/swaps" ...  do you have any listed???
[20:17] <BionicMac> My logs are being filled with these messages in 18.04 clean install: systemd-resolved[815]: Using degraded feature set (TCP) for DNS server
[20:17] <iopq> different AMD drivers did not help (actually broke capture in OBS, so I reverted to regular open source ones)
[20:17] <enyc> BionicMac: uugh resolved ;p
[20:18] <enyc> BionicMac: it sounds like its' just warning about upstream dns resolver, i suspect
[20:18] <enyc> BionicMac: bu not good that logs truely overfilling if that's happening
[20:18] <jackhum> enyc, i have swaps file , but there is nothing in it , just Filename  Type Size used
[20:18] <iopq> the person who was helping me a little early left me ;__;
[20:18] <BionicMac> enyc: yes, I've done some searching so, it is not something to wirry about. I just want to clean up my logs. Maybe I will redirect it to its own logfile.
[20:18] <enyc> jackhum: ok so your swap is broken, which will indeed cause things to jam when you run out ofd memory
[20:19] <iopq> my issue: how can I use two monitors if my older AMD card only has one DVI output
[20:19] <enyc> jackhum: befgore 18.04 there was normally a swap-partition, 18.04 tends to use a swap-file i think
[20:19] <jackhum> enyc, you sure? , i remember allocating some space to it when i installed it
[20:19] <jackhum> enyc, i am on 16.04
[20:19] <enyc> jackhum: yiou may not tave also said 'use as' 'swap partition'
[20:20] <brainwash> BionicMac: looks like something that should be reported then
[20:20] <enyc> jackhum: if swap was being activatied you'd get a second line with numbers  not just those headings
[20:20] <jackhum> enyc, okay , how to check if that was the case , and make it use as swap?/
[20:20] <jackhum> enyc, i got only one line , just headers
[20:20] <enyc> jackhum: yexactly, so no acualy sawps
[20:20] <BionicMac> enyc: I woonder if that is due to a VPN connection? Anyways, I will turn off VPN for a little bit to check. I like to know things. =)
[20:21] <enyc> jackhum: otherwise you'd get numbers etc.
[20:21] <enyc> BionicMac: very possible
[20:21] <enyc> jackhum:  its hrad to give very specific way forward... useful to compare with a working system humm...
[20:22] <enyc> jackhum: "sudo fdisk -l" will show you your parttions on disk...
[20:22] <enyc> jackhum: is there a ''linux swap'' as  something like (maybe) /dev/sda2 or /dev/sda6 or so...?
[20:23] <jackhum> enyc, lol , if i remember right someone told me that you dont need swap partition if your memory is 8 gigs or more , stupid person
[20:24] <jackhum> enyc, no i dont see any swap partition listed
[20:24] <enyc> jackhum: o dear ;p
[20:25] <enyc> jackhum: i'm not sure the exact way to automount a swap-file,  but the easiest thing todo now is just create a sawpfile and i can show you how to 'manually' turn it on
[20:25] <Wirehunter> As far as I know, you should add as much swap as you have ram.
[20:25] <enyc> an 18.04 user would know what the 18.04-new-install swapfile location looks like...
[20:25] <nacc> enyc: you can put swapfiles in fstab
[20:25] <nacc> Wirehunter: it depends entirely on your usage
[20:25] <enyc> nacc: yes
[20:25] <nacc> enyc: that's how you 'automount' them.
[20:26] <enyc> Wirehunter, nacc : yes nacc has right point
[20:26] <enyc> Wirehunter, nacc : for a vm doing reallylly lang compile job i dont have ram for but don't mind it taking ages, huuuge amuonts of swap may be needed comparitvely and i dont care
[20:26] <enyc> Wirehunter, nacc : for 'usabel' desktop it depends how much ''inactive stuff'' you have that might want swapping-out ;p
[20:28] <Wirehunter> Ah, I see. Lot of people saying different things about it. But I have got to say, what you're saying makes sense.
[20:28] <jackhum> enyc, this will work https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-add-swap-on-ubuntu-14-04 ?
[20:29] <tgm4883> There's a general rule of thumb for desktops that works up to a point, but as others have said, it really depends on the use case. I've got servers running with zero swap
[20:31] <enyc> jackhum: that looks good to me, if i'm no mistaken
[20:31] <enyc> jackhum: /swapfile as 4g they say... you might go 8g for you jsut-in-case but not sure it will make much difference
[20:31] <plasm0duck> Do you still need to use swap in this day and age when you have >8GB of RAM?
[20:32] <enyc> plasm0duck: depnes on your use case ;p
[20:32] <plasm0duck> how so?
[20:32] <enyc> plasm0duck: you know in this era  of   chromium =)
[20:32] <plasm0duck> I don't think I have ever seen my computer make use of swap
[20:32] <enyc> plasm0duck: yes somee peolpe want to have lots of stuff left-open and let it swap-out  while they play game or something, etc etc
[20:32] <plasm0duck> I think it's juse a wast of drive space
[20:33] <enyc> plasm0duck: well quite, it entirely depends what you have open etc etc
[20:33] <akem> Isn't swap required for hibernation?
[20:33] <tgm4883> plasm0duck: Good. IMO using SWAP is generally a sign of things getting bad. However, sometimes you need to let that happen in order to deal with a large job
[20:33] <plasm0duck> ok
[20:33] <tgm4883> akem: +1 I believe so
[20:34] <tgm4883> plasm0duck: for general users, it's probably not necessary when you get above a certain threshold of RAM, however the downsides of what happens when you do hit that limit combined with the "cost" of just making SWAP space means it's easier to just have it
[20:35] <plasm0duck> What happens if you don't have it? kernel panic or freeze?
[20:35] <tgm4883> things just start getting killed. Things that you may think are important that the kernel disagrees with
[20:36] <plasm0duck> ok
[20:36] <enyc> aah yes  the "oom-reaper" comes along ;p
[20:36] <enyc> 'picks something big and kills it ;p
[20:36] <Skaface82> sounds terrifying
[20:37] <enyc> https://lwn.net/Articles/668126/
[20:38] <tgm4883> this is all off topic, so if we want to continue discussing it we should move to #ubuntu-discuss
[20:39] <plasm0duck> you mean #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:39] <tgm4883> either way
[20:40] <plasm0duck> I'm always thre
[20:48] <enoch85> hey, I'm having issues with setting static IP with netplan
[20:48] <enoch85> I use the following YAML: https://codebeautify.org/yaml-validator/cbd763fb
[20:48] <enoch85> which is valid
[20:48] <enoch85> but netplan apply gives an error
[20:48] <enoch85> Error in network definition //etc/netplan/01-netcfg.yaml line 4 column 13: expected mapping
[20:48] <nacc> enoch85: i'd ask in #ubuntu-server
[20:49] <enoch85> ok thanks
[20:57] <onefix> It looks like the problem I'm having is compiling x264 with 18.04, anyone know what should be done to fix this?
[21:00] <BionicMac> enyc: I'm not sure I would call it overfilled but here: zgrep "Using degraded feature set" ./syslog* | wc -l :: result 3791
[21:02] <SlidingHorn> onefix: well I don't think it's something that's really for this particular channel, but more details might be helpful.  Also, why compile?  There's a version in the repositories that's pretty recent.
[21:02] <BionicMac> enyc: since Aril 27th - 3791 log entries.
[21:02] <onefix> SlidingHorn: Because I'm compiling ffmpeg ... the same process worked on 16.04, but it seems to be broken on 18.04
[21:03] <onefix> SlidingHorn: And I'm compiling ffmpeg because I want NVENC support
[21:03] <nacc> onefix: you haven't pasted an actual error, so it's not possible to help
[21:04] <nacc> onefix: also building software yourself is ... sort of on your own to begin with
[21:07] <onefix> nacc: I understand, but this seems to be an issue related specifically to 18.04, since the same thing compiled fine before upgrading the system to 18.04
[21:07] <onefix> I'm thinking that it has something to do with the 18.04 build environment
[21:08] <onefix> If there's a better channel for development, then I can go there...
[21:09] <onefix> BTW, the errors start with this line
[21:10] <nacc> onefix: again, just use a pastebin and show the issue?
[21:10] <onefix> /usr/bin/x86_64-linux-gnu-ld: libx264.a(cabac-a-8.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against hidden symbol `x264_8_coeff_last16_sse2' can not be used when making a PIE object
[21:10] <onefix> /usr/bin/x86_64-linux-gnu-ld: libx264.a(quant-a-8.o): relocation R_X86_64_32S against hidden symbol `x264_8_pb_01' can not be used when making a PIE object
[21:10] <onefix> /usr/bin/x86_64-linux-gnu-ld: libx264.a(cabac-a-10.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against hidden symbol `x264_10_coeff_last16_sse2' can not be used when making a PIE object
[21:10] <onefix> /usr/bin/x86_64-linux-gnu-ld: libx264.a(quant-a-10.o): relocation R_X86_64_32S against hidden symbol `x264_10_pd_1' can not be used when making a PIE object
[21:10] <onefix> /usr/bin/x86_64-linux-gnu-ld: libx264.a(dct-64-8.o): relocation R_X86_64_32S against hidden symbol `x264_8_hsub_mul' can not be used when making a PIE object
[21:10] <nacc> onefix: pastebin pastebin pastebin.
[21:13] <nacc> onefix: https://superuser.com/questions/1312329/compiling-latest-version-of-libx264-for-ffmpeg-fails-on-ubuntu-17-10-artful
[21:13] <nacc> onefix: ... just an fyi, first hit on google when i searched for the error and ffmpeg
[21:14] <onefix> nacc: I tried that ... I've been trying Google for a while
[21:14] <Dbugger> Hi everyone
[21:14] <nacc> onefix: did you clean your build after changing the flags?
[21:14] <onefix> nacc: But I'll try it again
[21:14] <onefix> nacc: Yeah, make clean
[21:15] <debkad> May be ask the ffmpeg channel
[21:15] <nacc> onefix: yeah, at this point, not really an ubuntu issue, i'd ask ffmpeg what's wrong
[21:15] <aLeSD> guys
[21:15] <onefix> Sure.  Actually it looks more like it's probably an x264 issue, but thanks anyhow
[21:15] <aLeSD> someone with spanish keyboard ?
[21:16] <debkad> aLeSD: Just ask your question
[21:16] <aLeSD> spanish keyboard could you try to press the minus button ?
[21:16] <duckx0r> I just upgraded my PC from 17.10 to 18.04 and it does not show the gdm login screen when I boot. Instead I get a shell login prompt. I can execute startx to get into the DE, but how can I debug what's going on for why it's not going to the gdm login screen?
[21:16] <aLeSD> minus button is \ here
[21:16] <onefix> I know 18.04 is newer, so it's going to be a few weeks/months before everyone has updated their build process
[21:17] <debkad> aLeSD: aLeSD Try dpkg-reconfigure keyboard
[21:17] <duckx0r> Should I try sddm instead of gdm?
[21:17] <xamithan> duckx0r: Did you see if the right target is loaded for GUI instead of the CLI ?
[21:18] <duckx0r> xamithan, I'm not sure what you are asking
[21:18] <aLeSD> debkad, dpkg-query: package 'keyboard' is not installed and no information is available
[21:18] <xamithan> I'm asking if the graphical.target is enabled
[21:19] <debkad> aLeSD: My bad : It was sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[21:19] <duckx0r> xamithan, Where do I check that?
[21:19] <xamithan> systemctl status graphical.target.  It'll say enabled or disabled
[21:20] <xamithan> I guess you could also do systemctl get-default
[21:20] <iopq> any idea how to use integrated and discrete graphics at the same time?
[21:20] <Haris> hello all
[21:20] <duckx0r> xamithan, graphical.target              loaded active active    Graphical Interface
[21:21] <xamithan> Ugh probably something specific to GDM then
[21:21] <nacc> duckx0r: you're not the first to report this in this channel; i'd check your syslog, dmesg, xorg log
[21:21] <nacc> duckx0r: and possibly the gdm log
[21:21] <Haris> Is it possible to take /tmp down, re-mount it on a different mount point without requiring system reboot ? Would taking down /tmp cause system crash on 14.04.x ?
[21:21] <duckx0r> nacc, Alright, I'll do that.
[21:24] <tomreyn> Haris: why would you want to?
[21:25] <Haris> because its size is too small
[21:25] <Haris> initramfs op failed on apt-get upgrade
[21:25] <Haris> generation of initramfs failed ..
[21:25] <nacc> Haris: you setup a /tmp disk?
[21:25] <Haris> more like I inherited one
[21:25] <nacc> Haris: /tmp is by default not a separate partition
[21:26] <Haris> overflow        1.0M     0  1.0M   0% /tmp
[21:26] <tomreyn> what is it backed by?
[21:26] <debkad> Haris: What size you want it to be?
[21:26] <Haris> I want it to be a dir under /. It'd inherit root partition's disk space
[21:26] <nacc> Haris: that appears to be soemting (old ubuntu did this iirc) trying to keep you limping along when youa re out of disk
[21:26] <nacc> Haris: 'overflow' is definitely not a standard thing
[21:27] <tomreyn> http://jarrodoverson.com/blog/overflow-filesystem-in-linux/
[21:27] <duckx0r> nacc, nothing I can see in syslog would indicate there were any errors upon booting. And I don't have dmesg, xorg or gdm logs.
[21:27] <nacc> duckx0r: dmesg is a command
[21:27] <duckx0r> nacc, ah..
[21:28] <nacc> Haris: right, what tomreyn linked to is my recolleciton, the initramfs failed to have enough space in / and so it created a tmpfs in /tmp
[21:28] <nacc> Haris: otherwise you can't even get to a shell (iirc)
[21:29] <shmotten> Hey!
[21:29] <Haris> would it crash a system if I un-mounted /tmp or overflow ?
[21:29] <oerheks> so /tmp is not a partition, how would you unmount it?
[21:30] <Haris> hmm
[21:30] <nacc> Haris: what is the state of your root partition?
[21:30] <debkad> Haris: you can increase its size like this sudo mount -o remount,size=4G /tmp/ ( to make it 4G in size )
[21:30] <Haris> --> /dev/xvda1       20G  1.3G   18G   7% /
[21:30] <debkad> oh
[21:31] <Haris> Its an Amazon AWS instance
[21:31] <brainwash> iopq: what is your use case?
[21:31] <debkad> Haris: Then take a look at this ( if you want to move it ) https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/5489/how-to-safely-move-tmp-to-a-different-volume?utm_medium=organic&utm_source=google_rich_qa&utm_campaign=google_rich_qa
[21:32] <nacc> Haris: you can see if anyting is using /tmp (lsof /tmp) or so
[21:32] <nacc> and then try and umount it
[21:32] <shmotten> Do you guys know how I can run steam without terminal? There's no icon on my pc and it only starts when I open it via terminal
[21:33] <duckx0r> nacc, Here's my dmesg. I don't see anything except for the segfault at the end, but that is at 847 seconds and some apparmor denied, but for mysql, so I have my doubts that would prevent gdm from loading. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MPf73pxSVs/
[21:33] <debkad> shmotten: Create a launcher and/or a desktop file for it ( google that )
[21:33] <kostkon> shmotten, how did you install it
[21:33] <shmotten> via terminal I think
[21:33] <nacc> shmotten: there should be icons if you are using the ubuntu package
[21:34] <shmotten> I think I'll just try to reinstall it and see if that fixes anything if it should have icons
[21:35] <iopq> brainwash, GPU doesn't have a second DVI output and I want to use two monitors
[21:35] <Mocramis> hello! When i run "reboot" from a terminal, ubuntu does reboot but i am not offered any grub choice (its like it auto select ubuntu) while when i force restart it, (with a long stop button press) it works fine. Any idea why ?
[21:36] <Haris> (1) move /tmp to new name (2) then, mkdir /tmp (3) put an entry in /etc/fstab if needed. and reboot (at max). This will make it work ?
[21:37] <nacc> Haris: if nothing is using /tmp then you don't need to do any of that
[21:37] <tomreyn> Haris: this might help: mkdir /overflow; mount --move /tmp /overflow; mv -fuv /overflow/* /tmp/; mv -fuv /overflow/.* /tmp/
[21:37] <nacc> Haris: and it's relativley unikely anything is using a 1M /tmp
[21:37] <Haris> its empty. but I don't know
[21:37] <nacc> Haris: i gave you the command to use to check...
[21:37] <Haris> no output from lsof /tmp/
[21:37] <nacc> Haris: you can also use `lsof +L1 /tmp` to check on unlinked files
[21:37] <tomreyn> well if it's empty then just unomunt it
[21:38] <nacc> also umount will deny you if you try to and it's in use
[21:38] <tomreyn> unmount will fail if its in use
[21:38] <brainwash> iopq: wouldn't you need a second output?
[21:38] <Haris> this is my primary db server. can't afford to have it fail on me
[21:38] <Haris> for this work
[21:38] <tomreyn> so your disk ran full on your primary db server?
[21:38] <Haris> only /tmp
[21:39] <Haris> not the other volumes
[21:39] <tomreyn> so it is a seperate partition?
[21:39] <iopq> brainwash, I have one on my onboard
[21:39] <Haris> overflow        1.0M     0  1.0M   0% /tmp
[21:39] <tomreyn> that's the overflow file system
[21:39] <nacc> Haris: not as it is now, but in general
[21:39] <oerheks> tomreyn, no > <Haris> I want it to be a dir under /. It'd inherit root partition's disk space
[21:39] <tomreyn> apparently you didnt read the article i pointed to.
[21:39] <iopq> brainwash brb rebooting
[21:40] <Haris> there was just one para on that link
[21:40] <nacc> Mocramis: probably it's configured to not show grub by defeault, spam escape after reboot
[21:40]  * Haris re-opens the link
[21:41] <tomreyn> Haris: maybe i just expressed myself badly. before there was this 1M /tmp, eas /tmp a separate file sytem or was it part of / ?
[21:41] <tomreyn> eas -> was
[21:41] <iopq> I'm back
[21:41] <Haris> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/5489/how-to-safely-move-tmp-to-a-different-volume?utm_medium=organic&utm_source=google_rich_qa&utm_campaign=google_rich_qa <- this suggests if I fiddle with /tmp on an active system, I might have an un-recoverable system
[21:41] <nacc> (also, afaict, the overflow /tmp isn't a thing that will just appear -- it will have been that case for some time)
[21:41] <nacc> Haris: what is the underlying error you are getting, and from where?
[21:42] <Haris> fortunately I still have the scroll back
[21:42] <nacc> Haris: what is the underlying error you are getting, and from where?
[21:42] <nacc> Haris: sorry, mistype here
[21:43] <Mocramis> nacc: but how does it manages to tell grub not to show up only after a reboot ?
[21:43] <nacc> Mocramis: on a hard stop, you do see grub every time?
[21:43] <nacc> Mocramis: power off and on, i mean
[21:43] <Haris> https://pastebin.ca/4020735 or https://pastebin.ca/raw/4020735
[21:43] <Mocramis> nacc yes
[21:44] <nacc> Haris: has this server been updated since it's last reboot?
[21:44] <Haris> not sure
[21:44] <Haris> I think yes
[21:44] <brainwash> iopq: and what does not work?
[21:44] <Haris> but not sure
[21:44] <nacc> Haris: apt-get updated, i mean
[21:44] <nacc> Haris: (and upgraded)
[21:44] <Mocramis> note, that im' running reboot from command line, didn't tried from the interface
[21:44] <Haris> apt-get update I run frequently. apt-get upgrade, not sure
[21:44] <nacc> Haris: i'm fairly sure your /tmp has been small since your last reboot
[21:44] <Haris> yes. agreed
[21:45] <duckx0r> nacc, Just to let you know, I was able to get it to start gdm. I did `dpkg-reconfigure sddm` and selected sddm, then `dpkg-reconfigure gdm` and selected gdm. It gave me some sort of error about invoke-rc.d, so I then did `invoke-rc.d gdm3 start`, and it started gdm fine. Then on next reboot as well. So I'm not sure what there actually caused it to work. Where would be a good place to file a bug report?
[21:45] <nacc> Haris: and you possibly just never noticed til a kernel update came, which requires using /tmp for building the initrd locally
[21:45] <eddyready> d
[21:45] <Haris> yep
[21:45] <nacc> duckx0r: ubuntu-bug gdm3 i think
[21:45] <netochka> hey. anybody knows how to change a keyboard shortcut on ubuntu 18.04 ?
[21:45] <nacc> duckx0r: it's not clear to me either, though
[21:45] <nacc> duckx0r: it also is one of those things that is going to be hard to reprodcue without reinstalling and re-upgrading
[21:45] <eddyready> Anyone with a Dell laptop experience screen tearing on 18.04?
[21:46] <duckx0r> nacc, Yeah, could be.
[21:46] <nacc> Haris: so if lsof indicates nothing is using /tmp, open or unlinked, then i'd just umount it
[21:46] <Haris> I'm worried the system might not reboot back .. on next reboot .. especially since I'll be taking this step
[21:46] <nacc> Haris: it should then default back to the normal /tmp behavior (justa  directory in /)
[21:46] <oerheks> if there is no space, i guess that system is mounted RO
[21:47] <nacc> Haris: ... why do you think that?
[21:47] <nacc> Haris: this overflow fileysstem is not permanent
[21:47] <Haris> because the initrd build process initiated, but failed
[21:47] <Haris> to end properly
[21:47] <duckx0r> nacc, Well I was previously using lightdm before upgrade, but since that was removed I selected gdm. So that *could* be something. Anyone with both kde and gnome installed could run into the same issue.
[21:47] <nacc> Haris: /tmp itself is not permanent
[21:47] <debkad> Haris: Your problem is more than just a /tmp moving but the whole system require at least more few Gb ( 7% ) is not enough
[21:47] <nacc> Haris: right, you're going to umount /tmp, then rerun apt
[21:47] <nacc> debkad: huh? that's 7% used
[21:48] <Haris> data volume is separate. nothing much going on /
[21:48] <Haris> ok
[21:48] <nacc> Haris: we're not going to reboot your machine until we have it cleanly updated
[21:48] <Haris> i.e., unmount overflow ?
[21:48] <debkad> oh yeah my bad
[21:48] <nacc> Haris: umount /tmp
[21:48] <nacc> overflow *might* work, but i'm not as confident in that
[21:48] <debkad> So increasing your /tmp will help
[21:49] <tomreyn> no, just unmount
[21:49] <tomreyn> he's got enough space on / now
[21:49] <nacc> right
[21:49] <tomreyn> but / must have filled up at some point
[21:49] <CheetahPixie> So.
[21:49] <CheetahPixie> https://i.imgur.com/8jx7sdj.png
[21:49] <Haris> yep
[21:50] <CheetahPixie> I am facing this problem.
[21:50] <CheetahPixie> What's wrong?
[21:50] <Haris> it did. we moved off db to separate data volume
[21:50] <netochka> anybody knows how to change a keyboard shortcut on ubuntu 18.04 ?
[21:50] <nacc> Haris: right, which is what tomreyn asked a bit ago :)
 so your disk ran full on your primary db server?
 only /tmp
 not the other volumes
[21:50] <nacc> CheetahPixie: you're using a ppa
[21:50] <Haris> my bad
[21:50] <nacc> CheetahPixie: and command-not-found only knows about the ubuntu packages
[21:51] <nacc> CheetahPixie: wine-stable 3.0.0~artfulis not an ubuntu package version
[21:51] <oerheks> 8 not upgraded .. perform apt full-upgrade
[21:51] <nacc> oerheks: won't matter in this regard
[21:51] <SSMAdmin> Hi all. Ubuntu 18.04 server, two ethernet ports on ethernet card.  Network connection will not detect internet access, although I have access.  Network status icon in top right side statusbar does not show up.  When I try to enable remote desktop viewing it will not let me activate it, probably as no network connection shows as available in the dialog box for enabling remote viewing.  Anyone know what could be the problem, and how
[21:51] <SSMAdmin> to solve it?  Thanks
[21:54] <RNeville> What version of Libre Office does Ubuntu Desktop 18.04 support, please?
[21:54] <SSMAdmin> Should mention I have installed ubuntu-desktop in the server
[21:55] <tomreyn> Haris: you seemed worried about data loss on your primary db server. do you have a good backup scheme (would you like suggestions)? huge databases? replication? clustering?
[21:55] <de-facto> !libreoffice
[21:55] <Haris> this is a simple instance for mysql 5.5.x data
[21:55] <Haris> 40 GB data size
[21:55] <Haris> taking bkp. going to see if I can manage it
[21:55] <iopq> brainwash: I get a black screen from my dedicated and xrandr doesn't see it (but lshw does)
[21:56] <tomreyn> Haris: maybe that's what's wrong about it, being a single instance. ;-)
[21:56] <Haris> na. not atm
[21:57] <tomreyn> Haris: if downtime / locking is an issue you can keep a single instance operating by using lvm snapshotting and xtrabackup.
[21:57] <Haris> its amazon instance. can I do that on it ?
[21:58] <de-facto> RNeville, 1:6.0.3-0ubuntu1
[21:58] <tomreyn> Haris: i haven't used it there but i dont see why not.
[21:58] <nacc> !info libreoffice bionic | RNeville
[21:58] <de-facto> how can i get the package version for bionic from ubottu?
[21:58] <de-facto> ah there
[21:58] <eddyready> Anyone with a Dell laptop experience screen tearing on 18.04?
[21:58] <nacc> RNeville: it's also vailable as a snap, iirc
[21:59] <RNeville> I'm running Ubuntu 16.04 and it seems to only support 5.1.6.2 through Ubuntu Software
[21:59] <Haris> in its current state, will it hurt it if I do nothing and next reboot happens ?
[21:59] <tomreyn> eddyready: this is not so much a matter of $LAPTOP_BRAND but more of $GRAPHICS_DRIVER
[22:00] <Haris> would an initrd build failure mean that the old build is going to function "as it was"
[22:00] <brainwash> iopq: is it powered on?
[22:00] <Haris> means+
[22:00] <nacc> Haris: it depends on if it's a new version, or a rebuild of an old version, but i think it won't have overwritten your prior initrd yet
[22:00] <nacc> RNeville: why did you ask about 18.04 then?
[22:01] <RNeville> nacc I was thinking about installing 18.04
[22:01] <Haris> late night stuck ups. :"(
[22:01] <RNeville> I also have problems with full drive encryption under Ubuntu 16.04 I run out of space on boot partions, eventually
[22:01] <nacc> RNeville: ok, libreoffice in 16.04 is 5.1.6,  yes; the snap is available on 16.04 as well
[22:01] <RNeville> partition/**
[22:01] <nacc> RNeville: those seem unrelated (encryption and /boot being full)
[22:02] <nacc> RNeville: are you doing regular autoremoves?
[22:02] <RNeville> I think if you check nacc you'll find that this is a know bug for full drive encryption under 16.04
[22:02] <nacc> RNeville: ... i've been using full disk encryption for years
[22:03] <nacc> RNeville: so unless you mean something else, you'd need to be more specific
[22:03] <Mocramis> nacc: it seems poweroff is affected as well
[22:03] <RNeville> boot partition is only 200 meg by default install under 16.04 and becomes full to the point that updates will not install
[22:03] <Haris> I lost connection to my box
[22:03] <Haris> *ouch*
[22:03] <Haris> I just hope I didn't kill myself
[22:03] <Haris> looks like it crashed
[22:04] <iopq> brainwash, :D it even shows a picture when I hit reboot - just not while Ubuntu is running
[22:04] <Haris> I (1) unmounted /tmp (2) ran apt-get update && apt-get upgrade. after that, the system crashed
[22:05] <Haris> big ouch for me
[22:05] <RNeville> last long term release of Ubuntu, again if not mistaken, also had this problem with boot of only 200 meg - which cause it to become full (when running full drive encryption) and OS wouldn't update
[22:05] <RNeville> boot partition/**
[22:05] <Haris> *whew*
[22:06] <Haris> nothing happened. I just lost 2 ssh connections. That's all
[22:06] <Haris> ssh reconnect worked ok
[22:07] <brainwash> iopq: then maybe disable runpm
[22:07] <Haris> does this ( https://pastebin.ca/4020740 or https://pastebin.ca/raw/4020740 ) mean this went normally ?
[22:08] <brainwash> iopq: cat /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch  will show you the power states for both gpus
[22:08] <tomreyn> Haris: what you posted is a successful system update, though you have "1 not fully installed or removed"
[22:08] <iopq> brainwash, doesn't exist
[22:09] <Haris> yep. don't recognize that part
[22:09] <Haris> ok, so at least next reboot should go ok
[22:09] <Haris> machine is safe
[22:09] <tomreyn> brainwash: unless you have bad thrid party apt repositories (PPAs) installed oyu should also "apt-get dist-upgrade".
[22:09] <RNeville> thx nacc
[22:09] <nacc> RNeville: that's why you do autoremove; and i don't think the defualt is 200M anymore, but i've not don a fresh install in some time
[22:10] <tomreyn> brainwash: sorry, this wasnt meant for you
[22:10] <CheetahPixie> um
[22:10] <CheetahPixie> wait
[22:10] <tomreyn> Haris: unless you have bad thrid party apt repositories (PPAs) installed oyu should also "apt-get dist-upgrade".
[22:10] <Haris> can't go for that yet. not untill our guys upgrade or migrate the app off of it
[22:10] <Haris> once that's done, I can then do dist-upgrade
[22:11] <tomreyn> Haris: i'd also check "df -h" again, especially looking for /tmp, if any.
[22:11] <Haris> I mean we haven't reached that point yet
[22:11] <nacc> Haris: dist-upgrade doesn't release upgrade
[22:11] <Haris> no /tmp in df -ah output
[22:11] <Haris> hmm
[22:11] <nacc> Haris: also, you can always -s apt-get to simulate it
[22:11] <nacc> Haris: to see what it wants to do, that is
[22:11] <Haris> apt-get -s dist-upgrade?
[22:11] <tomreyn> yes
[22:12] <nacc> yeah, im pretty sure that's supported even back to 14.04
[22:12] <nacc> you can check the manpage
[22:12] <Haris> https://pastebin.ca/4020742
[22:12] <RNeville> I worked nacc for hours in the past with help with the boot partition problem and autoremove didn't work properly. Anyway, I'm a nobe with Linux, so maybe I'm mistaken; however, if the default for boot is no long 200 meg this should now solve the full drive encryption problem I was having in the past
[22:13] <RNeville> help from this chatroom/**
[22:13] <RNeville> noob/**
[22:13] <Haris> don't believe I have third party repos' on this one
[22:13] <nacc> RNeville: hard for me to speculate
[22:13] <CheetahPixie> um
[22:13] <nacc> RNeville: *if* autoremove doesn't work, it could be a bug
[22:14] <brainwash> iopq: what does "cat /proc/cmdline" give?
[22:14] <CheetahPixie> i'm still seeing those with all ppas removed nacc
[22:14] <Haris> standard repos'
[22:14] <nacc> CheetahPixie: seeing what?
[22:14] <tomreyn> Haris: this looks good / safe. you want the patched kernel.
[22:14] <CheetahPixie> gimme a moment though
[22:14] <Haris> ok, running dist-upgrade
[22:14] <CheetahPixie> the stray wine stuff
[22:14] <nacc> CheetahPixie: did you purge the ppas?
[22:15] <RNeville> thx nacc, again a noob, so everything is a struggle - and must admit after this last reinstall of Ubuntu 16.04 I haven't gotten the "boot" partition full problem - so maybe bug is fixed, now, anyway
[22:15] <CheetahPixie> okay
[22:15] <CheetahPixie> so i now have 2.0.2ubuntu1
[22:15] <iopq> brainwash, BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-122-generic root=UUID=dd03a09e-3614-4e44-8a15-5e5d24b64477 ro quiet splash acpi_enforce_resources=lax vt.handoff=7
[22:15] <CheetahPixie> annnd from the ubuntu official repos: 3.7.0~artful
[22:16] <tomreyn> Haris: by the way (for next time) there is also #ubuntu-server - a bit calmer than here, if you like.
[22:16] <Haris> https://pastebin.ca/4020743 or https://pastebin.ca/raw/4020743
[22:16] <duckx0r> RNeville, 200 megs is awfully small for a boot partition. I had it set to ~250 megs for a while and I was constantly running into errors with the partition being full.
[22:16] <Haris> for this specific box, I speculatae it wasn't installed with the server image
[22:17] <RNeville> However, after last reinstall of Ubuntu 16.04 I got libreoffice version 5.1.6.21 as default word processor
[22:17] <RNeville> thx duckx0r
[22:17] <Haris> %s/speculatae/speculate/
[22:19] <nacc> CheetahPixie: apt-cache policy the package name
[22:19] <nacc> CheetahPixie: that's *not* from the official ubuntu repos
[22:19] <tomreyn> Haris: probably an AMI. tose installed kernels make me think you may currently be running linux 3.13.0-48. you really need to reboot soon then.
[22:19] <brainwash> iopq: I guess you'll have to find out why the vgaswitcheroo path is missing
[22:20] <tomreyn> Haris: less of an issue if it's firewalled, but still.
[22:22] <CheetahPixie> Got rid of them.
[22:22] <CheetahPixie> ...Is the latest wine-devel only 2.18?
[22:22] <Haris> thank you all
[22:23] <Haris> I'm going to defer reboot till I'v had some good amount of sleep
[22:23] <Haris> this much is ok for now
[22:23] <nacc> CheetahPixie: wine-devel is not an ubuntu package
[22:23] <CheetahPixie> wine-development
[22:23] <nacc> !info wine-development bionic
[22:24] <nacc> !info wine-development artful
[22:24] <CheetahPixie> I'm on Artful.
[22:24] <nacc> CheetahPixie: are you on artul?
[22:24] <nacc> ok
[22:24] <nacc> CheetahPixie: then yes.
[22:24] <CheetahPixie> RIP.
[22:24] <CheetahPixie> Tiem to upgrade.
[22:25] <CheetahPixie> eh
[22:25] <CheetahPixie> guess I'll install wine-development just to run this one program and pause its progress.
[22:25] <tomreyn> !artful
[22:25] <tomreyn> not yet eol
[22:26] <nacc> tomreyn: no, but they want a newer version of wine
[22:26] <tomreyn> oh, right
[22:29] <CheetahPixie> My problem in a nutshell: A program crashes as soon as I press a hotkey,
[22:32] <shevchuk> CheetahPixie, try to install in gameonlinux 'container'? It can download and use specific wine version.
[22:39] <nacc> CheetahPixie: a program in wine?
[22:48] <CheetahPixie> nacc: yes
[22:48] <CheetahPixie> shevchuk: not listed on playonlinux, had issues trying
[22:51] <nacc> CheetahPixie: i mean that's sort of a common thing
[22:51] <nacc> CheetahPixie: did you check the wine db to see if its a known working app?
[22:51] <CheetahPixie> ...I ran it.
[22:51] <CheetahPixie> It works.
[22:51] <CheetahPixie> (Apart from hotkeys.)
[22:51] <nacc> CheetahPixie: honestly, I have never really understood the perspective of users re: "My wine app failed" ... it's a hack of an emulation to run windows apps under linux
[22:51] <nacc> CheetahPixie: then it doesn't "work" )
[22:51] <nacc> )
[22:51] <nacc> bah stupid keyboard, that was supposed to be :)
[22:52] <CheetahPixie> Not fully, but 4/5. :P
[22:52] <CheetahPixie> Alright, paused.
[22:52] <CheetahPixie> Let's upgrade.
[22:59] <nacc> CheetahPixie: good luck
[23:02] <CheetahPixie> "remove: gnustep-back0.25"
[23:02] <CheetahPixie> "Huh, what is this GNUstep thing?"
[23:02] <CheetahPixie> remember I was experimenting with alternate sessions a bit back; "Oh, that thing, heh."
[23:22] <Fenaer> Hi guys. Which config file do I have to edit to modify the GDM greeter theme
[23:22] <Fenaer> Or rather, change it to another
[23:24] <hid> hi
[23:25] <hid> im struggling installing bumblebee to work for my optimus nvidia card
[23:25] <hid> i install it and i get this error line: rmmod: ERROR: Module nouveau is in use
[23:31] <Privateer> what is the advantage of encrypting on setup with LCM vs later with something like veracrypt
[23:31] <tomreyn> hid: you'll either need to reboot or shutdown your display manager and X or blacklist nouveau and reboot, possibly continuing your work from an emergency shell if your reconfigured graphical desktop will not work, yet
[23:31] <Privateer> LVM**
[23:33] <hid> tomreyn: is it posible that i blacklist nouveau then the vidia driver doesnt work so my screen displays nothing
[23:33] <hid> nvidia*
[23:33] <tomreyn> Privateer: if you have the block device encryption layer below the LVM PV you will have to decrypt only that at boot. if you have it on the LVs you'll need to decrypt each of them.
[23:33] <hid> i did reboot several times :/
[23:34] <tomreyn> hid: it would fall back to vesa. but i'm not able to guide you with this setup, i don't have (and do not like to support) nvidia.
[23:35] <zanakyn> hey everyone. i haven't been able to get audio going through firefox since it started to require pulseaudio (admittedly i haven't tried super hard). i have pulseaudio installed, and afaik it's installed on ubuntu by default? has anyone else had this issue?
[23:35] <zanakyn> i'd rather not use chrome, but that's what i've been doing for audio and it's pretty annoying
[23:36] <tomreyn> Privateer: oh, by "on setup" you propbably mean during ubuntu installation?
[23:37] <Privateer> tomreyn: yes
[23:37] <tomreyn> Privateer: then i got your question a little wrong. there are ways to add the block device encryption layer later on by moving unencrypted data to encrypted block devices. but it's a lot more complicated than setting it up initially, and thus more error prone.
[23:38] <tomreyn> Privateer: it also means you wrote the data unencrypted to the storage in the4 first place,which you should try not to do.
[23:38] <eddyready> Anyone with a Dell laptop experience screen tearing on 18.04?
[23:39] <tomreyn> Privateer: so if you're serious about full disk encryption, you need to do it with fresh storages and on first write.
[23:39] <zanakyn> eddyready are you using the default window manager? are you using integrated graphics or do you have a dedicated amd/nvidia gpu?
[23:40] <Privateer> tomreyn: I didn't know if veracrypt was better than the installers version of encryption
[23:40] <tomreyn> zanakyn: yes, pulse audio is the default on ubuntu. are you not using pulseaudio then? or were you not using it? are you using ubuntu? which release? lsb_release -ds
[23:41] <zanakyn> tomreyn no i am using pulseaudio. basically haven't touched it, that's why im confused. i'm using ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS
[23:42] <tomreyn> Privateer: dmcrypt-luks, which the installer offers, is definitely a better choice on linux (and i might say in general).
[23:42] <zanakyn> firefox complains that i may need to install it, not sure why it's unable to use it
[23:42] <zanakyn> i've got pulseaudio 8.0 installed
[23:43] <tomreyn> zanakyn: is firefox or pulseaudio from a 3rd party apt respositry?
[23:43] <zanakyn> i don't think so, but let me check what i've added to my sources
[23:44] <tomreyn> zanakyn: sudo apt update; sudo apt-cache policy
[23:44] <tomreyn> zanakyn: you are welcome to show the output of these commands on a !paste
[23:44] <tomreyn> !paste
[23:44] <zanakyn> everything i've got in /etc/apt/sources.list is from an ubuntu host looks like
[23:46] <tomreyn> zanakyn: that's fine, but you also have /etc/apt/sources.list.d/  - "apt-cache policy" (when run after a successful "apt-get update") shows the actual sources configured
[23:46] <zanakyn> yeah you're right, i see that. looks like i've added the sources for kivy and the nvidia gpu drivers
[23:47] <zanakyn> i wouldnt think either of those would do anything with pulseaudio
[23:47]  * tomreyn does not know either
[23:47] <zanakyn> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zVgbT5qrWz/
[23:47] <zanakyn> there's the output
[23:47] <zanakyn> thanks for your help btw
[23:49] <zanakyn> oof ok yeah i've got a few more than that. i think they're pretty narrow though, for specific software. then again looking up the official version, my installed pulseaudio is like 3 major versions behind
[23:49] <tomreyn> wlecome zanakyn. i'm not entirely sure, but those can be fine. you can run "apt-cache policy PACKAGENAME" to find out where PACKAGENAME (i.e. a specific package you put there) is installed from.
[23:50] <zanakyn> yeah, it's from the ubuntu archives
[23:50] <zanakyn> 500 http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates/main amd64 Packages
[23:50] <tomreyn> zanakyn: pulseaudio 8 is in 16.04, that's fine in general, but you might have a patched version from another source, which would be good to rule out.
[23:51] <tomreyn> zanakyn: what does it say in the line above that?
[23:51] <zanakyn> yeah good to check up on. i didnt know you could find out the source that provided the package so easily
[23:52] <zanakyn> here's the full output https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KmWgXq4btM/
[23:52] <tomreyn> okay, now i'm convinced, too. ;-) try the same for firefox
[23:53] <zanakyn> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZYfdJBYYkW/
[23:53] <zanakyn> looks pretty similar
[23:54] <tomreyn> right
[23:54] <zanakyn> im only one minor version behind looks like. firefox 59.0.2 instead of 59.0.3, but taht was just released 3 days ago
[23:54] <zanakyn> i know this pulseaudio req came about a couple of months ago. i've been kind of lazy trying to resolve it
[23:54] <tomreyn> zanakyn: i suggest you run firefox from a temrinal and capture its output there to a file: firefox &> /tmp/firefox.out
[23:55] <zanakyn> ok one sec
[23:56] <zanakyn> wth
[23:56] <zanakyn> i just got audio output and i don't know why
[23:56] <zanakyn> lmao
[23:56] <Hashtag> Hey, I had ubuntu and windows dual booting but I moved a partition that I shouldn't have and now I can't boot. Please advise?
[23:56] <zanakyn> i don't think i did anything
[23:57] <zanakyn> Hashtag did you move the ubuntu boot partition or windows boot partition? or a different one?
[23:57] <tomreyn> zanakyn: maybe it just felt left out and wanted to get you to give it some attention.
[23:58] <Hashtag> zanakyn: I moved the ubuntu root partition, which has grub on it
[23:58] <zanakyn> lol i guess so, but then its pretty fickle. i've been using it for literally everything except video content :P
[23:58] <Privateer> is there a downside to installing the latest kernel vs going with what is provided after all the updates have been ran after install
[23:59] <zanakyn> ok so in that case, as long as you didnt move it over another partition i think you should be fine? it's been a while since i've had to reconfigure my partitons but i think you'd just want to boot from a live-boot usb and reconfigure grub
[23:59] <tomreyn> Hashtag: how did you juggle them around?
[23:59] <tomreyn> Hashtag: i mean, what was the layout before, what did you try to change it to, and did it seme to have succeeded?