=== Chrisfu is now known as Guest10104 [06:10] morning peeps [06:24] morning boys and girls. [06:33] o/ [06:36] o/ [07:40] hey guys [07:40] how are tricks ! [08:10] bloomin twitter and github [09:14] * zmoylan-pi changes twitter password... a plain log file... how... dumb... [09:16] had that password for 10 years... :-) [09:42] I don't think it would have been a plain log file. I image they probably had a logging system that was capturing all the POST variables, and they probably forgot to leave out log in requests. [09:43] But I've now I've been through my passwords and changed all the ones that matter, I.E those which could potentially cost me money [09:43] I'm using a password manager now, so I'm just using fully random passwords for everything === layke is now known as Guest68377 [18:00] daftykins: We have phone lines, but at the end of the day, no matter which ISP I use, they're using the same hard wired cables, so to me, I don't think it'd make a difference [18:03] DJones: yeah i just meant (that i think) it doesn't immediately mean Virgin can't offer you anything if you have no coax in your area [18:12] daftykins: Agreed, BT & Sky are the biggest suppliers in the area, so presumably have the largest infrastructure, which is why I'm not changing [18:13] Must admit, Sky haven't been a problem, decent speeds, no downtime etc, so can't complain about them [18:14] i think if you don't push much data they're probably a good choice yeah, as i think Sky have caps? [18:15] down here in the islands we don't have BT, there are three ISPs but two small ones just resell the same service of the main one [18:33] No caps that I'm aware of, although I'm not downloading anything that would hit a cap anyway [18:57] does anyone consider it a bug that open-scsi installs a service which waits *indefinitely* for network connection at startup? [18:58] !info open-scsi [18:58] Package open-scsi does not exist in artful [18:58] more like just not a sane default? can't say i know what that is though [19:02] sorry, i meant open-iscsi [19:02] yes, it's an un-sane default :) [19:03] ships by default in the 18.04 server (or it installs by default) can never tell nowadays :) [19:03] anyway, even the installer refused to progress without a network connection [19:03] I don't know if I somehow ended up with a "cloud" spin of bionic or something [19:04] also, this is Bionic Beaver [19:04] !info open-iscsi [19:04] open-iscsi (source: open-iscsi): iSCSI initiator tools. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.874-4ubuntu3 (artful), package size 287 kB, installed size 1558 kB (Only available for linux-any) [19:04] kinda had a feeling it could've been iSCSI but didn't want to spam the bot too much more without being sure :> [19:05] standard server image then huh? i can't remember if subiquity had much of a step for picking software [19:05] yes, it's the standard server image [19:05] such as the older server LTS releases had tasksel [19:05] Yea, the whole thing seems to assume that I'm deploying to a public cloud [19:06] i'm now manually undoing all the unwanted things it caused that i can find [19:06] well apparently it is coming with this cloud-image rubbish on it now [19:06] yea, it's called cloud-init (kinda wanna call it cloud-innit?) [19:06] honestly i'm a bit hesitant to make use of bionic with all the junk it comes with - i think it has a 3GB default install size even on digitalocean [19:06] that's the one - i keep forgetting its name as i haven't put much time into bionic yet [19:07] hmmm, i'm building a router, and i just wanted the latest-greatest so i could poke into the innards [19:07] i don't like the new method for static IP addressing either [19:07] well, that was a surprise, but i think it makes sense [19:07] is that all it's going to do? think i'd rather run pfsense [19:07] YAML is i assume good for scripts [19:07] i am more comfy in ubuntu [19:08] thing is i don't think i'll be memorising that yaml config format anytime soon versus i knew the /etc/network/interfaces file inside out [19:08] right but it's general purpose, you have to reinvent the wheel to run *buntu as a router rather than something specifically designed to be a router [19:08] yes, the re-inventing the wheel part is the only way I think i'll update my knowledge. [19:09] oh ok so more of a test setup rather than live system? :> [19:09] it will become my main router, and then i want to use it to learn about traffic accounting in linux [19:11] what's the hardware? curious as i recently did a big overhaul of my main home server and cut power draw hugely \o/ [19:12] i got a jetway jbc 365 [19:12] and a 2GB stick of RAM. [19:13] https://www.mini-itx.com/store/~JBC365 [19:13] it turns out that all developers apparently run Xeon CPUs with PCiE SSDs [19:13] because I couldn't use a good old spinning disk inside this machine. [19:13] ooh neat [19:13] The bios assumes that the disk is bad because it's slow at POST [19:13] so i only got it to boot successfully about 50% of the time [19:14] yeah you don't wanna go running spinning rust in low power kit anyway [19:14] does it have a BIOS with spectre mitigations available? [19:14] well, it had a lot of capacity so i figured perhaps i could set up a cifs share on it too [19:14] he he, i have not bothered about spectre [19:15] granted the newer one just came out in the news, but it's not something that should be ignored [19:15] i don't think merely crafting packets is enough to exploit it, but well, i'm being cavalier about it [19:15] i'm moving away from all the old core 2 systems i had since intel abandoned patching them [19:15] that's paranoid :) [19:16] keeping my good old sandybridge [19:16] haven't even bothered to check for fixes. [19:16] it's not a cloud machine [19:17] it's not the primary reason i'm dumping them, like i said i cut power on my home server by dumping a core 2 duo and moving to a low TDP i5 haswell [19:18] i've a Sony sandybridge laptop here that'll never get patched [19:18] Yea, I have generally avoided re-purposing old hardware to use as a router... [19:19] even though getting a low-power machine as I did costs more probably than old hardware would use in electricity, it sits better with me mentally. [19:19] too much power for a router yeah - i have a couple of those AMD APU2 systems from linitx.com for pfsense routers [19:25] this isn't a bad machine: https://linitx.com/product/pc-engines-apu2-c4-system-board-with-4gb-ram/14822 [19:30] yeah that's the one [19:30] 16GB mSATA SSD [19:33] good company too [20:30] why fireworks? [20:45] fireworks? [20:52] fireworks! [20:53] in amazingstoke? [20:53] yup [20:54] :D [20:55] celebrating 40 years of spam email? :-)