[06:10] <knightwise> morning peeps
[06:24] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[06:33] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[06:36] <brobostigon> o/
[07:40] <knightwise> hey guys
[07:40] <knightwise> how are tricks !
[08:10] <SuperMatt> bloomin twitter and github
[09:14]  * zmoylan-pi changes twitter password... a plain log file... how... dumb...
[09:16] <zmoylan-pi> had that password for 10 years... :-)
[09:42] <SuperMatt> I don't think it would have been a plain log file. I image they probably had a logging system that was capturing all the POST variables, and they probably forgot to leave out log in requests.
[09:43] <SuperMatt> But I've now I've been through my passwords and changed all the ones that matter, I.E those which could potentially cost me money
[09:43] <SuperMatt> I'm using a password manager now, so I'm just using fully random passwords for everything
[18:00] <DJones> daftykins: We have phone lines, but at the end of the day, no matter which ISP I use, they're using the same hard wired cables, so to me, I don't think it'd make a difference
[18:03] <daftykins> DJones: yeah i just meant (that i think) it doesn't immediately mean Virgin can't offer you anything if you have no coax in your area
[18:12] <DJones> daftykins: Agreed, BT & Sky are the biggest suppliers in the area, so presumably have the largest infrastructure, which is why I'm not changing
[18:13] <DJones> Must admit, Sky haven't been a problem, decent speeds, no downtime etc, so can't complain about them
[18:14] <daftykins> i think if you don't push much data they're probably a good choice yeah, as i think Sky have caps?
[18:15] <daftykins> down here in the islands we don't have BT, there are three ISPs but two small ones just resell the same service of the main one
[18:33] <DJones> No caps that I'm aware of, although I'm not downloading anything that would hit a cap anyway
[18:57] <nucc1> does anyone consider it a bug that open-scsi installs a service which waits *indefinitely* for network connection at startup?
[18:58] <daftykins> !info open-scsi
[18:58] <daftykins> more like just not a sane default? can't say i know what that is though
[19:02] <nucc1> sorry, i meant open-iscsi
[19:02] <nucc1> yes, it's an un-sane default :)
[19:03] <nucc1> ships by default in the 18.04 server (or it installs by default) can never tell nowadays :)
[19:03] <nucc1> anyway, even the installer refused to progress without a network connection
[19:03] <nucc1> I don't know if I somehow ended up with a "cloud" spin of bionic or something
[19:04] <nucc1> also, this is Bionic Beaver
[19:04] <nucc1> !info open-iscsi
[19:04] <daftykins> kinda had a feeling it could've been iSCSI but didn't want to spam the bot too much more without being sure :>
[19:05] <daftykins> standard server image then huh? i can't remember if subiquity had much of a step for picking software
[19:05] <nucc1> yes, it's the standard server image
[19:05] <daftykins> such as the older server LTS releases had tasksel
[19:05] <nucc1> Yea, the whole thing seems to assume that I'm deploying to a public cloud
[19:06] <nucc1> i'm now manually undoing all the unwanted things it caused that i can find
[19:06] <daftykins> well apparently it is coming with this cloud-image rubbish on it now
[19:06] <nucc1> yea, it's called cloud-init (kinda wanna call it cloud-innit?)
[19:06] <daftykins> honestly i'm a bit hesitant to make use of bionic with all the junk it comes with - i think it has a 3GB default install size even on digitalocean
[19:06] <daftykins> that's the one - i keep forgetting its name as i haven't put much time into bionic yet
[19:07] <nucc1> hmmm, i'm building a router, and i just wanted the latest-greatest so i could poke into the innards
[19:07] <daftykins> i don't like the new method for static IP addressing either
[19:07] <nucc1> well, that was a surprise, but i think it makes sense
[19:07] <daftykins> is that all it's going to do? think i'd rather run pfsense
[19:07] <nucc1> YAML is i assume good for scripts
[19:07] <nucc1> i am more comfy in ubuntu
[19:08] <daftykins> thing is i don't think i'll be memorising that yaml config format anytime soon versus i knew the /etc/network/interfaces file inside out
[19:08] <daftykins> right but it's general purpose, you have to reinvent the wheel to run *buntu as a router rather than something specifically designed to be a router
[19:08] <nucc1> yes, the re-inventing the wheel part is the only way I think i'll update my knowledge.
[19:09] <daftykins> oh ok so more of a test setup rather than live system? :>
[19:09] <nucc1> it will become my main router, and then i want to use it to learn about traffic accounting in linux
[19:11] <daftykins> what's the hardware? curious as i recently did a big overhaul of my main home server and cut power draw hugely \o/
[19:12] <nucc1> i got a jetway jbc 365
[19:12] <nucc1> and a 2GB stick of RAM.
[19:13] <nucc1> https://www.mini-itx.com/store/~JBC365
[19:13] <nucc1> it turns out that all developers apparently run Xeon CPUs with PCiE SSDs
[19:13] <nucc1> because I couldn't use a good old spinning disk inside this machine.
[19:13] <daftykins> ooh neat
[19:13] <nucc1> The bios assumes that the disk is bad because it's slow at POST
[19:13] <nucc1> so i only got it to boot successfully about 50% of the time
[19:14] <daftykins> yeah you don't wanna go running spinning rust in low power kit anyway
[19:14] <daftykins> does it have a BIOS with spectre mitigations available?
[19:14] <nucc1> well, it had a lot of capacity so i figured perhaps i could set up a cifs share on it too
[19:14] <nucc1> he he, i have not bothered about spectre
[19:15] <daftykins> granted the newer one just came out in the news, but it's not something that should be ignored
[19:15] <nucc1> i don't think merely crafting packets is enough to exploit it, but well, i'm being cavalier about it
[19:15] <daftykins> i'm moving away from all the old core 2 systems i had since intel abandoned patching them
[19:15] <nucc1> that's paranoid :)
[19:16] <nucc1> keeping my good old sandybridge
[19:16] <nucc1> haven't even bothered to check for fixes.
[19:16] <nucc1> it's not a cloud machine
[19:17] <daftykins> it's not the primary reason i'm dumping them, like i said i cut power on my home server by dumping a core 2 duo and moving to a low TDP i5 haswell
[19:18] <daftykins> i've a Sony sandybridge laptop here that'll never get patched
[19:18] <nucc1> Yea, I have generally avoided re-purposing old hardware to use as a router...
[19:19] <nucc1> even though getting a low-power machine as I did costs more probably than old hardware would use in electricity, it sits better with me mentally.
[19:19] <daftykins> too much power for a router yeah - i have a couple of those AMD APU2 systems from linitx.com for pfsense routers
[19:25] <nucc1> this isn't a bad machine: https://linitx.com/product/pc-engines-apu2-c4-system-board-with-4gb-ram/14822
[19:30] <daftykins> yeah that's the one
[19:30] <daftykins> 16GB mSATA SSD
[19:33] <daftykins> good company too
[20:30] <diddledan> why fireworks?
[20:45] <daftykins> fireworks?
[20:52] <diddledan> fireworks!
[20:53] <daftykins> in amazingstoke?
[20:53] <diddledan> yup
[20:54] <daftykins> :D
[20:55] <zmoylan-pi> celebrating 40 years of spam email? :-)