[07:00] <TheEagerPadawan> still having the same issues as yesterday - posted the whole story here to not overly spam the channel - https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4wwXmYmJ9t/
[11:08] <gratuxri> hello together, by testing new Bionic Beaver I see, that for example fai and live-build packages are very very old. Can someone point me to discussion why this packages are not up to date with debian packages?
[11:13] <tjaalton> live-build seems practically forked at this point, and no-one that uses fai bothered to merge it in time?
[11:20] <gratuxri> You mean that packages were build from launchpad? What about importing debian packages to ubuntu? Maybe be I don't understand full process of releasing and importing packages from debian. Can you point me to this workflow?
[11:21] <tjaalton> live-build: version 3.0~a57-1ubuntu34
[11:22] <tjaalton> means that it has ubuntu changes on top of 3.0~a57-1
[11:22] <tjaalton> 34 uploads in fact
[11:22] <tjaalton> and fai has a diff too, apt-get changelog fai-client would show that
[11:22] <tjaalton> packages need to be merged by a person so that the changes are not lost
[11:29] <gratuxri> OK, I can look at it
[11:31] <tjaalton> too late for bionic
[11:37] <gratuxri> Yes, but maybe for next release ;)
[11:40] <tjaalton> sure
[11:45] <tjaalton> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging has more info on that
[12:08] <gratuxri> Thank you
[14:05] <jbicha> doko: could you just remove the elementary source package? Debian bug 895221
[19:02] <cousteau> Who do I have to annoy to get a package upgraded?  Arduino is OLD
[19:07] <jbicha> cousteau: it's being worked on in Debian. See Debian bug 780706
[19:08] <cousteau> So just wait for it to FINALLY make it into Debian, and then wait for it being inherited by Ubuntu?
[19:08] <cousteau> Also that bug mentions an Arduino 1.5.x I've never seen in Ubuntu
[19:10] <rbasak> cousteau: you realise this package is maintained by volunteers, right?
[19:11] <cousteau> Also the last mail in that list makes me think that list is a bit abandoned
[19:12] <cousteau> rbasak: point being?  I can annoy the volunteers too :)
[19:13] <rbasak> I think they deserve a little more respect.
[19:13] <cousteau> (I've contributed to Arduino before and I wouldn't even mind contributing to Ubuntu if I could; if your point is that I'm not in a position to demand things I understand that)
[19:13] <cousteau> I didn't disrespect them
[19:15] <cousteau> I just stated that the version in the repos is near 5 years old, and then asked if I just had to wait for it making it into Debian (which has been an ongoing thing for ages so I'm a bit pessimistic about its latency)
[19:16] <cousteau> (also, I hope you realize "annoy" wasn't literal)
[19:21] <cousteau> OK, so sorry if I sounded rude, it wasn't my intention.
[19:22] <cousteau> So, am I to expect arduino-1.8.x eventually making it into the Ubuntu repos in the near future?  Because that would be nice.
[19:24] <rbasak> Some will need to prepare the new packaging. Usually that happens in Debian and Ubuntu will autosync once the new development release opens.
[19:25] <rbasak> It can be done in Ubuntu ahead of Debian, but that would still need someone to prepare the new packaging and that person might as well coordinate with the work going on in Debian.
[19:26] <cousteau> I see, so no point in doing this ahead of Debian; it would be redundant
[19:27] <rbasak> You could still help the Debian maintainers out
[19:27] <cousteau> (unless there were reasons to think Debian was taking an excessively long time)
[19:27] <cousteau> OK, thanks!
[19:28] <cousteau> Now I know who I have to annoy :) (metaphorically)
[19:32] <cousteau> And sorry again if I sounded too impatient; it's just that Arduino has been outdated on Ubuntu for a long time and was really hoping for that to get fixed soon.
[19:44] <cousteau> Gotta go.  Thanks, rbasak and jbicha!