[01:40] <oerheks> Cosmic Chihuahua
[04:24] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:24] <tsimonq2> Hai.
[04:24] <lotuspsychje> hey tsimonq2
[04:24] <krytarik> Hy!
[04:24] <lotuspsychje> hey krytarik
[06:06] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:18] <ducasse> good morning
[06:19] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[06:20] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[06:20] <ducasse> i'm good, thanks - how about you, lordievader?
[06:20] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[06:45] <lotuspsychje_> morning lordievader ducasse
[06:50] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje_ How are you doing?
[06:54] <lotuspsychje_> fine tnx lordievader
[06:54] <lotuspsychje_> enjoyed a very sunny weekend
[06:55] <lordievader> Yes, was very nice weather 😁
[06:58] <ducasse> morning lotuspsychje_ - all going well?
[06:58] <lotuspsychje_> yeah tnx ducasse and you?
[07:00] <ducasse> all good here, quiet morning
[07:03] <lotuspsychje_> great :p
[08:11] <lotuspsychje_> bbl worktime
[10:18] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:37] <LtWorf> hey BluesKaj
[10:38] <BluesKaj> Hi LtWorf
[10:38] <LtWorf> there is a blues band here called folks
[10:38] <BluesKaj> really?
[10:38] <LtWorf> yeah
[10:39] <LtWorf> stupid choice of course
[10:39] <LtWorf> can't find a single hit on google :D
[10:39] <LtWorf> since it's a common word in swedish too
[10:40] <BluesKaj> lots of bands aren't found on google
[10:41] <LtWorf> well https://billetto.se/en/e/the-howling-owl-releasefest-folks-the-abyss-tickets-278353
[10:41] <LtWorf> u can buy tickets for the next gig :D
[10:41] <BluesKaj> yeah, my  family language was Swedish...after a few yrs it became English after emigrating to Canada
[10:42] <LtWorf> BluesKaj: i guessed, i have a friend here who moved here from USA, named Kaj. He did because he is a swedish citizen even though he had never lived here. And here he could study for free
[10:42] <BluesKaj> from Finland...family is Swedish- Finn
[10:42] <LtWorf> hehe like linus torvalds
[10:43] <BluesKaj> yup
[10:43] <LtWorf> italy gives citizenship if you have 1 italian grandparent
[10:43] <LtWorf> some brazilians get it to come to study/live in europe
[10:45] <EriC^^> i make a mean pizza, i want citizenship!
[10:46] <LtWorf> hehehehehe, once i met a swedish guy claiming that only in naples they are capable of producing proper pizza
[10:48] <lordievader> Do they ship from Naples to here?
[10:48] <LtWorf> i don't know where here is
[10:48] <LtWorf> i'm italian btw, living in sweden
[10:48] <lordievader> Holland.
[10:50] <LtWorf> i would imagine it might be a bit cold and soggy by the time it reaches
[10:51] <BluesKaj> I feel for those guys who don't investigate before buying an Optimus equipped laptop
[10:51] <lordievader> Hmm, yes... How about express-express delivery? 😋
[10:52] <lordievader> BluesKaj: If you want a bit of performance you quickly end  up with such a dual-video card setup... unfortunately.
[10:53] <JanC> I'm sure there are good pizza places in The Netherlands
[10:53] <BluesKaj> laptops aren't meant for video performance IMO
[10:54] <JanC> and obviously they only make Napoli-style pizzas in Napoli
[10:56] <JanC> I'm pretty sure Sicilian style pizzas are best in Sicily, etc.  ;)
[10:57] <lordievader> JanC: There are. But now I'm curious as to how good those Naples ones are 😉
[10:59] <LtWorf> JanC: pizza siciliana is deep fried and enclosed like calzone, but with different dough, i don't know why they call it pizza at all :D
[11:00] <JanC> because it's pizza
[11:00] <LtWorf> http://blog.giallozafferano.it/passioneperilcibo/la-siciliana/
[11:01] <LtWorf> or, it can also be a regular pizza with capers and anchovies on top
[11:02] <LtWorf> going to eat, btw :D
[13:05] <LtWorf> i went to eat and it became silent…
[13:44] <BluesKaj> yeah, just finished an onion, mushroom and cheese omelette with toasted multi grain bread
[13:54] <JimBuntu> GM BluesKaj ... and NOM NOM NOM
[13:56] <BluesKaj> 'Morning JimBuntu, still teaching myself how to cook tho
[13:57] <BluesKaj> omelettes are easy ...been doing them for a while now
[13:57] <JimBuntu> Ever tried cloud eggs?
[13:58] <BluesKaj> not familiar with that term
[14:00] <JimBuntu> crack your eggs, isolate whites from yolks. Whip the whites for a few minutes on low with mixer. Put some dollops of the whites on bread as though they were mashed potatoes.
[14:00] <BluesKaj> ok , googled, looks good
[14:00] <JimBuntu> yeah, google will answer faster than I can, lol
[14:03] <BluesKaj> dunno how good I would be at yolk separation
[14:05] <JimBuntu> It is pretty easy and there are "hacks" for ways to do it with things like a plastic water bottle... using it as a suction-bulb. I simply cradle the yolk in my hand and change the gap sizes between my fingers until that white+gravity pull it all off the yalk
[14:06] <LtWorf> JimBuntu: i use the egg shell itself to do it
[14:06] <JimBuntu> That's another way, especially if you don't want to waste the egg that sticks to your hands.
[14:12] <EriC^^> i usually put it in a glass, then remove the yolk with a spoon
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[17:03] <kostkon> gOoD eVeNiNg SiR
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> hey kostkon
[17:04] <kostkon> ħey
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> hey krytarik
[17:10] <krytarik> Howdy!
[17:11] <ducasse> evening all
[17:11] <ducasse> heyup, lotuspsychje
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse how was your day :p
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> 30 degrees in belgium...why o why did i have to work :p
[17:13] <ducasse> great day here, did some housework and took a nap :)
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: sound great :p
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> !info limnoria | SlidingHorn
[17:57] <Squarism> how do I upgrade from ubuntu 17.04 to 18.04?
[17:58] <ducasse> !eolupgrade
[17:59] <ducasse> but support is in #ubuntu
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> aha !usn has changed to https
[20:06] <Squarism> generally speaking, what are the most common type of bugs for a new LTS release? Driver problems or just ubuntu/linux core functionality?
[20:07] <daftykins> in server edition, a new installer is being developed - and that has many issues right now
[20:08] <Squarism> when did the unity -> gnome switch happen? I mean in what release
[20:08] <wirehunter> Squarism, I think the LTS releases are not really new releases. Like:
[20:08] <daftykins> unity has always been gnome based technically
[20:08] <wirehunter> 18.04 is not LTS yet, that will be 18.04.1 right?
[20:08] <daftykins> wrong
[20:08] <xangua> wirehunter: it is
[20:09] <daftykins> it's LTS from the outset, once it hits the first point release - direct upgrades from 16.04.x will be enabled
[20:09] <daftykins> that's how it usually works
[20:09] <wirehunter> Ah, okay
[20:09] <oerheks> the .1 release triggers the global upgrade
[20:10] <oerheks> so yes, current 18.04 users are beta testers :-D
[20:11] <Squarism> It sure sounds like that
[20:12] <oerheks> i am still on 17.10, seeding
[20:12] <xangua> 16.04/unity for ever 🤘
[20:12] <wirehunter> I never liked Unity
[20:12] <Squarism> wish me luck. Upgrade from EOL 17.04->17.10 completed apart from restart. Now i just hope machine will come back up.
[20:12] <wirehunter> I was a ubuntu-gnome user :)
[20:13] <xangua> Or at least some more years
[20:13] <pragmaticenigma> Unity to Gnome switch started in 17.10 I believe
[20:13] <xangua> I was a gnome 2 user
[20:13] <wirehunter> I used to be one too
[20:13] <wirehunter> Before I switched to mac for a while :p
[20:14] <Squarism> *I survived!*
[20:15]  * pragmaticenigma hands Squarism a t-shirt
[20:15] <wirehunter> Squarism, Even your Xorg started again?
[20:15] <daftykins> now upgrade again (:
[20:15] <oerheks> started @ KDE ..
[20:15] <JimBuntu> !cookie | Squarism
[20:16] <wirehunter> My X server didn't start after upgrading to 18.04
[20:17] <wirehunter> Always something
[20:19] <Squarism> wirehunter, how do i tell? "ps auxf | grep Xorg" shows nothing
[20:19] <Squarism> JimBuntu, pragmaticenigma - thanks. Its really ducasse who deserves credit though
[20:20] <Squarism> must say i like gnome better than unity
[20:20] <JimBuntu> Squarism, but I have ducasse on a treat diet... do you know how many cookies they would get?! It would be a lot :-D
[20:21] <daftykins> xD
[20:21] <wirehunter> Squarism, Basically, if you can log into your desktop, your x server is running fine.
[20:21] <JimBuntu> I would expect your command to have returned that there was an Xorg running though...
[20:21] <wirehunter> Squarism, My login shell didn't load and could only go into a tty to fix things :)
[20:23] <wirehunter> Or you're on Wayland?
[20:23] <Squarism> wirehunter, i dont think so. Just logged in wo configuring anything
[20:24] <Squarism> hmmm..
[20:24] <Squarism> gdm       1146  0.0  0.0 194856  5508 tty1     Ssl+ 22:13   0:00  |   \_ /usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-wayland-session gnome-session --autostart /usr/share/gdm/greeter/autostart
[20:24] <Squarism> gdm       1233  0.0  0.1 566536 52584 tty1     Sl+  22:13   0:00  |           |   \_ /usr/bin/Xwayland :1024 -rootless -terminate -core -listen 4 -listen 5 -displayfd 6
[20:24] <Squarism> maybe i am?
[20:24] <wirehunter> Squarism, You don't really have to. You can switch from the login-shell using the gear icon
[20:25] <Squarism> does above imply im on wayland?
[20:25] <wirehunter> I think so
[20:26] <wirehunter> Ah apparently 17.10 defaults to Wayland
[20:26] <wirehunter> Forgot about that
[20:27] <Squarism> so is it recommended to run wayland?
[20:27] <Squarism> thought it was in a very beta state
[20:27] <wirehunter> It's missing a lot of features that you might not be using
[20:28] <oerheks> depends, on your GPU mostly
[20:29] <Squarism> oerheks, in what way? Does it require more of the GPU?
[20:29] <oerheks> Fedora runs it for years now, since 2015
[20:30] <wirehunter> I had to switch back to xorg to do stuff like screen capture
[20:30] <oerheks> no, depending on open drivers, openradeon/ open AMDgpu are pretty good
[20:30] <wirehunter> I couldn't add screen resolutions for my ultra wide screen monitor
[20:31] <oerheks> downside are some tools that do not work well @ wayland, synaptic for example
[20:32] <Squarism> oerheks, hmm that feels kind of imporant
[20:32] <Squarism> important
[20:32] <oerheks> i would like to see that integrated in softwarecenter, metapackage <> detailed view
[20:33] <Squarism> oerheks, you mean the UI isnt working properly or that "apt" command?
[20:34] <oerheks> UI
[20:34] <oerheks> there is a trick to get around, but i refuse to do that. maybe this si fixed in 18.04 now..
[20:34] <oerheks> 17.10 not
[20:35] <Squarism> i mostly use apt so i hope ill manage
[20:36] <Squarism> So what features should one check out? New window manager, new xserver
[20:36] <oerheks> "Wayland does not allow gui applications to run in superuser mode like Synaptic." http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2017/10/ubuntu-17-10-tip-graphical-apps-doesnt-launch-via-root-sudo-gksu/
[20:36] <Squarism> what can i do that i couldnt do before?
[20:36] <Squarism> ah ok
[21:05] <Squarism> damn, 17.10 with pop theme. Im in love. Ubuntu has never looked this awsome
[21:07] <nacc> Squarism: ... you do know you need to upgrade in hte next few months, right?
[21:08] <Squarism> nacc, im gonna wait for 18.04.1 i think. Dont wanna be some beta tester =D
[21:09] <daftykins> given the OS you use, you always will be ;)
[21:09] <nacc> Squarism: no, 17.10 goes EOL in July
[21:26] <nacc> Squarism: so it doesn't really make sense (to me) to fall in love with something you have to upgrade :)
[21:28] <daftykins> :D
[21:55] <Bashing-om> sneak peek for UWN : https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2391254 . Publishing now .
[22:13] <Squarism> nacc, well I assume i wont get less in 18.04. Its not like we are backgrading to ubuntu 12.10 right
[22:28] <nacc> Squarism: you are using wayland, right?
[22:28] <nacc> default is not wayland in 18.04
[22:28] <nacc> that will be 'less'
[22:28] <nacc> hence my point :)