[01:40] Cosmic Chihuahua [04:24] good morning to all [04:24] Hai. [04:24] hey tsimonq2 [04:24] Hy! [04:24] hey krytarik [06:06] Good morning [06:18] good morning [06:19] Hey ducasse [06:20] How are you doing? [06:20] i'm good, thanks - how about you, lordievader? [06:20] Doing good here :) [06:45] morning lordievader ducasse [06:50] Hey lotuspsychje_ How are you doing? [06:54] fine tnx lordievader [06:54] enjoyed a very sunny weekend [06:55] Yes, was very nice weather 😁 [06:58] morning lotuspsychje_ - all going well? [06:58] yeah tnx ducasse and you? [07:00] all good here, quiet morning [07:03] great :p [08:11] bbl worktime [10:18] Hi folks [10:37] hey BluesKaj [10:38] Hi LtWorf [10:38] there is a blues band here called folks [10:38] really? [10:38] yeah [10:39] stupid choice of course [10:39] can't find a single hit on google :D [10:39] since it's a common word in swedish too [10:40] lots of bands aren't found on google [10:41] well https://billetto.se/en/e/the-howling-owl-releasefest-folks-the-abyss-tickets-278353 [10:41] u can buy tickets for the next gig :D [10:41] yeah, my family language was Swedish...after a few yrs it became English after emigrating to Canada [10:42] BluesKaj: i guessed, i have a friend here who moved here from USA, named Kaj. He did because he is a swedish citizen even though he had never lived here. And here he could study for free [10:42] from Finland...family is Swedish- Finn [10:42] hehe like linus torvalds [10:43] yup [10:43] italy gives citizenship if you have 1 italian grandparent [10:43] some brazilians get it to come to study/live in europe [10:45] i make a mean pizza, i want citizenship! [10:46] hehehehehe, once i met a swedish guy claiming that only in naples they are capable of producing proper pizza [10:48] Do they ship from Naples to here? [10:48] i don't know where here is [10:48] i'm italian btw, living in sweden [10:48] Holland. [10:50] i would imagine it might be a bit cold and soggy by the time it reaches [10:51] I feel for those guys who don't investigate before buying an Optimus equipped laptop [10:51] Hmm, yes... How about express-express delivery? 😋 [10:52] BluesKaj: If you want a bit of performance you quickly end up with such a dual-video card setup... unfortunately. [10:53] I'm sure there are good pizza places in The Netherlands [10:53] laptops aren't meant for video performance IMO [10:54] and obviously they only make Napoli-style pizzas in Napoli [10:56] I'm pretty sure Sicilian style pizzas are best in Sicily, etc. ;) [10:57] JanC: There are. But now I'm curious as to how good those Naples ones are 😉 [10:59] JanC: pizza siciliana is deep fried and enclosed like calzone, but with different dough, i don't know why they call it pizza at all :D [11:00] because it's pizza [11:00] http://blog.giallozafferano.it/passioneperilcibo/la-siciliana/ [11:01] or, it can also be a regular pizza with capers and anchovies on top [11:02] going to eat, btw :D [13:05] i went to eat and it became silent… === leftyfb_ is now known as leftyfb [13:44] yeah, just finished an onion, mushroom and cheese omelette with toasted multi grain bread [13:54] GM BluesKaj ... and NOM NOM NOM [13:56] 'Morning JimBuntu, still teaching myself how to cook tho [13:57] omelettes are easy ...been doing them for a while now [13:57] Ever tried cloud eggs? [13:58] not familiar with that term [14:00] crack your eggs, isolate whites from yolks. Whip the whites for a few minutes on low with mixer. Put some dollops of the whites on bread as though they were mashed potatoes. [14:00] ok , googled, looks good [14:00] yeah, google will answer faster than I can, lol [14:03] dunno how good I would be at yolk separation [14:05] It is pretty easy and there are "hacks" for ways to do it with things like a plastic water bottle... using it as a suction-bulb. I simply cradle the yolk in my hand and change the gap sizes between my fingers until that white+gravity pull it all off the yalk [14:06] JimBuntu: i use the egg shell itself to do it [14:06] That's another way, especially if you don't want to waste the egg that sticks to your hands. [14:12] i usually put it in a glass, then remove the yolk with a spoon [17:03] good evening to all [17:03] gOoD eVeNiNg SiR [17:04] hey kostkon [17:04] ħey [17:10] hey krytarik [17:10] Howdy! [17:11] evening all [17:11] heyup, lotuspsychje [17:11] hey ducasse how was your day :p [17:12] 30 degrees in belgium...why o why did i have to work :p [17:13] great day here, did some housework and took a nap :) [17:18] ducasse: sound great :p [17:24] !info limnoria | SlidingHorn [17:24] SlidingHorn: limnoria (source: limnoria): robust and user-friendly Python IRC bot. In component universe, is optional. Version 2017.08.18-1 (artful), package size 553 kB, installed size 4364 kB [17:57] how do I upgrade from ubuntu 17.04 to 18.04? [17:58] !eolupgrade [17:58] End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades [17:59] but support is in #ubuntu [18:29] aha !usn has changed to https [20:06] generally speaking, what are the most common type of bugs for a new LTS release? Driver problems or just ubuntu/linux core functionality? [20:07] in server edition, a new installer is being developed - and that has many issues right now [20:08] when did the unity -> gnome switch happen? I mean in what release [20:08] Squarism, I think the LTS releases are not really new releases. Like: [20:08] unity has always been gnome based technically [20:08] 18.04 is not LTS yet, that will be 18.04.1 right? [20:08] wrong [20:08] wirehunter: it is [20:09] it's LTS from the outset, once it hits the first point release - direct upgrades from 16.04.x will be enabled [20:09] that's how it usually works [20:09] Ah, okay [20:09] the .1 release triggers the global upgrade [20:10] so yes, current 18.04 users are beta testers :-D [20:11] It sure sounds like that [20:12] i am still on 17.10, seeding [20:12] 16.04/unity for ever 🤘 [20:12] I never liked Unity [20:12] wish me luck. Upgrade from EOL 17.04->17.10 completed apart from restart. Now i just hope machine will come back up. [20:12] I was a ubuntu-gnome user :) [20:13] Or at least some more years [20:13] Unity to Gnome switch started in 17.10 I believe [20:13] I was a gnome 2 user [20:13] I used to be one too [20:13] Before I switched to mac for a while :p [20:14] *I survived!* [20:15] * pragmaticenigma hands Squarism a t-shirt [20:15] Squarism, Even your Xorg started again? [20:15] now upgrade again (: [20:15] started @ KDE .. [20:15] !cookie | Squarism [20:15] Squarism: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie! [20:16] My X server didn't start after upgrading to 18.04 [20:17] Always something [20:19] wirehunter, how do i tell? "ps auxf | grep Xorg" shows nothing [20:19] JimBuntu, pragmaticenigma - thanks. Its really ducasse who deserves credit though [20:20] must say i like gnome better than unity [20:20] Squarism, but I have ducasse on a treat diet... do you know how many cookies they would get?! It would be a lot :-D [20:21] xD [20:21] Squarism, Basically, if you can log into your desktop, your x server is running fine. [20:21] I would expect your command to have returned that there was an Xorg running though... [20:21] Squarism, My login shell didn't load and could only go into a tty to fix things :) [20:23] Or you're on Wayland? [20:23] wirehunter, i dont think so. Just logged in wo configuring anything [20:24] hmmm.. [20:24] gdm 1146 0.0 0.0 194856 5508 tty1 Ssl+ 22:13 0:00 | \_ /usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-wayland-session gnome-session --autostart /usr/share/gdm/greeter/autostart [20:24] gdm 1233 0.0 0.1 566536 52584 tty1 Sl+ 22:13 0:00 | | \_ /usr/bin/Xwayland :1024 -rootless -terminate -core -listen 4 -listen 5 -displayfd 6 [20:24] maybe i am? [20:24] Squarism, You don't really have to. You can switch from the login-shell using the gear icon [20:25] does above imply im on wayland? [20:25] I think so [20:26] Ah apparently 17.10 defaults to Wayland [20:26] Forgot about that [20:27] so is it recommended to run wayland? [20:27] thought it was in a very beta state [20:27] It's missing a lot of features that you might not be using [20:28] depends, on your GPU mostly [20:29] oerheks, in what way? Does it require more of the GPU? [20:29] Fedora runs it for years now, since 2015 [20:30] I had to switch back to xorg to do stuff like screen capture [20:30] no, depending on open drivers, openradeon/ open AMDgpu are pretty good [20:30] I couldn't add screen resolutions for my ultra wide screen monitor [20:31] downside are some tools that do not work well @ wayland, synaptic for example [20:32] oerheks, hmm that feels kind of imporant [20:32] important [20:32] i would like to see that integrated in softwarecenter, metapackage <> detailed view [20:33] oerheks, you mean the UI isnt working properly or that "apt" command? [20:34] UI [20:34] there is a trick to get around, but i refuse to do that. maybe this si fixed in 18.04 now.. [20:34] 17.10 not [20:35] i mostly use apt so i hope ill manage [20:36] So what features should one check out? New window manager, new xserver [20:36] "Wayland does not allow gui applications to run in superuser mode like Synaptic." http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2017/10/ubuntu-17-10-tip-graphical-apps-doesnt-launch-via-root-sudo-gksu/ [20:36] what can i do that i couldnt do before? [20:36] ah ok === SlidingH1rn is now known as SlidingHorn === popey_ is now known as popey [21:05] damn, 17.10 with pop theme. Im in love. Ubuntu has never looked this awsome === tomreyn_ is now known as tomreyn [21:07] Squarism: ... you do know you need to upgrade in hte next few months, right? [21:08] nacc, im gonna wait for 18.04.1 i think. Dont wanna be some beta tester =D [21:09] given the OS you use, you always will be ;) [21:09] Squarism: no, 17.10 goes EOL in July [21:26] Squarism: so it doesn't really make sense (to me) to fall in love with something you have to upgrade :) [21:28] :D [21:55] sneak peek for UWN : https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2391254 . Publishing now . [22:13] nacc, well I assume i wont get less in 18.04. Its not like we are backgrading to ubuntu 12.10 right [22:28] Squarism: you are using wayland, right? [22:28] default is not wayland in 18.04 [22:28] that will be 'less' [22:28] hence my point :)