[01:26] <greg-g> for rick_h_ https://social.coop/@Greg/99984320982207210
[10:23] <rick_h_> greg-g: niiice! We'll have to talk shop sometime.
[11:41] <rick_h_> jrwren: what csa do you use?
[11:49] <snap-l> Good morning
[11:51] <rick_h_> morning snap-l
[11:51]  * rick_h_ tried to tab complete cmaloney lol
[11:55] <snap-l> Ugh
[11:55] <snap-l> one sec
[11:55] <cmaloney> Not sure why that happened
[11:56] <rick_h_> it's just funny how my brain did the transition like that
[13:10] <cmaloney> heh
[13:12] <jrwren_> rick_h_: Tantre Farms
[13:13] <rick_h_> jrwren_: cool, had a reminder to look into CSA's for this year and crazy trying to sort through the info out there
[13:17] <jrwren_> rick_h_: yup, and its probably too late to sign up. Most typically take enrollment in the fall so they can plan for hte next year, but maybe you'll find one iwth openings.
[13:17] <rick_h_> jrwren_: oh interesting. Most seem to start up in june/july so figured I'd be good
[13:17] <rick_h_> good to set expectations
[13:18] <jrwren_> rick_h_: easiest way is probably to visit your local farmers market, talk to every local farm, see which ones do CSA and pick one to try.
[13:18] <jrwren_> Ours starts in a couple of weeks, but I guess that is almost June. time is flying!
[13:18] <rick_h_> jrwren_: yea, saw one that delivered to Clarkston farmer's market and seemed a good option
[13:18] <rick_h_> Except we stopped going because we tend to be camping during the weekend
[15:41] <greg-g> if we move from norcal, not having year-round CSAs is going to be weird/hard
[15:41] <greg-g> rick_h_: right now the current plan of action is a 3/4 ton truck, a light weight pop-up truck camper and a 25ish foot trailer. That way the camper is my office while I work fulltime and we travel.
[15:42] <rick_h_> greg-g: oh, going fulltiming?
[15:42] <rick_h_> greg-g: how long you looking to go?
[15:42] <greg-g> for at least a few months yeah
[15:42] <greg-g> summer/fall thing
[15:42] <rick_h_> you looking to stay on grid or off grid? (e.g. BLM and such?)
[15:43] <greg-g> mostly boondock or state/national parks.
[15:43] <greg-g> (boondock/blm/whatever)
[15:43] <rick_h_> the big thing in that situation is dealing with water/power and smaller trailers having smaller tanks for that stuff as well as if you put solar on something it's not in the other thing
[15:43] <jrwren> do they even have internet there?
[15:44] <greg-g> jrwren: I'll have my mifi, so I'm bound to locations with verizon, basically
[15:44] <rick_h_> sometimes, but you have to research ahead on what campgrounds will get cell vs don't
[15:44] <rick_h_> there's lots of fulltime sites that'll help narrow down stuff like that with real world experiences vs a coverage map
[15:45] <rick_h_> and honestly, if you're going boondocking you have to be willing to find a good spot and might have to try a few places first, even go into town for stuff when needed.
[15:45] <greg-g> I have a co-worker who is fulltime fulltime (her, her partner, and their 10ish year old kid) who basically only do BLM down in the south west. I'm sure I'll be talking to her more for her tips :)
[15:45] <rick_h_> nice
[15:45] <greg-g> rick_h_: and yeah, I'm in the Fulltime Families fb group right now, asking questions :)
[15:46] <rick_h_> greg-g: the other thing is most full timers I track/follow tend to do either van or truck with cap on it so there's a spot for bulk items and such
[15:46] <rick_h_> greg-g: with the truck camper I'd be nervous about that lack of space
[15:46] <rick_h_> outside toys, boxes for tools, extra water jugs, etc
[15:47] <greg-g> yeah, the camper will mostly be my office and basic storage. I actually found one on craigslist without a kitchen/bath that I might get to reduce weight even more and open up storage weight/space
[15:47] <rick_h_> ah, true. I guess if you don't need the subsystems on it you can clear out a lot of space
[15:47] <greg-g> indeed
[15:47] <rick_h_> greg-g: very cool, I'm really excited for you. It's on my wishlist so much
[15:47] <greg-g> space and weight most importantly :)
[15:48] <greg-g> hence the spreadsheet, doing all the math to see what is within limits :)
[15:48] <rick_h_> greg-g: if there's anything I can offer or just want to chat happy to talk shop :) and hear how it goes for you so I can learn for 'one day' :P
[15:48] <greg-g> definitely :)
[15:48] <greg-g> I'm expecting it to be hectic the next few weeks and then we'll get on the road (say, early June) so I might have time then :P
[15:49] <cmaloney> heh
[15:49] <greg-g> gotta pack up most of the house into the garage and sublet and all that
[15:49] <rick_h_> Yea, the folks at "keep your daydream" did a spreadsheet for folks to help with those calcs as they got a new truck/trailer combo and were surprised by how it worked out
[15:49] <cmaloney> Do you have buy-in from everyone? (ROan in particular?)
[15:49] <cmaloney> rowan, rather
[15:49] <greg-g> cmaloney: yeah, he's excited :)
[15:49] <rick_h_> greg-g: biggest thing is just get out there. You'll make it work and be surprised at how much you learn.
[15:49] <cmaloney> Cool deal
[15:50] <greg-g> rick_h_: yeah, I gotta keep telling myself that part. I'm an over planner/find the faults by nature person :)
[15:50] <rick_h_> there's a few YT'ers I follow just because it's nice to be reminded that folks can do it with so little
[15:50] <greg-g> cmaloney: but, we learned from our mistake of traveling around Oregon in a minivan for 10 days: Rowan needs stability, so we are going to do 10 day minimums when staying places, instead of the 1 to 2 days we did in Oregon.
[15:51] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, exactly. Everyone eventually learns to travel slower and you'll lose a lot of stress
[15:51]  * greg-g nods
[15:51] <rick_h_> greg-g: it's a lot of work to plan the spots, and you end up putting together a giant itinerary that's impossible to keep without killing yourself.
[15:52] <jrwren> better to go with the flow.
[15:52] <cmaloney> greg-g: Ah, cool. I'm glad he has some of that endurance
[15:52] <greg-g> yeah, that part we're not looking forward to
[15:52] <rick_h_> yea, and leave room to find things you didn't know were there once you get there
[15:52] <cmaloney> I would get antsy for home later on. :)
[15:52] <cmaloney> bbiab
[15:52] <jrwren> I get anstsy for home after 4 days :)
[15:52] <rick_h_> weather, special events, etc
[15:52] <greg-g> jrwren: sadly all the good campgrounds (by whatever metric) are usually booked months in advance for the summer :/ So we'll be focusing on boondocking and various communities (the reason we're traveling, to visit places we might want to move)
[15:52] <rick_h_> hah, that's why you take your home with you :P
[15:53] <jrwren> greg-g: I didn't mean that flow.
[15:54] <greg-g> not the hippy "it'll work out if we don't plan" one? :)
[15:54] <jrwren> in fact, I hate the flow of the masses. That is something else.
[15:54] <rick_h_> yea, the lack of real BLM and such out here is a bummer
[15:55] <rick_h_> though I have my eye on a couple of places that have no hookups and might be a similar experience sometime
[15:55] <jrwren> greg-g: yes, THAT is the go with the flow I am talkinga bout. the hippy one.
[15:57] <jrwren> What I really meant is to think of it like waging war. You dont plan every detail, you have an overall objective and strategy to meet that objective but you don't tie yourself to tactics to meet them. You use whatever tactic is appropriate given the current conditions surrounding you.
[15:58] <jrwren> Its most fun if you are well trained in a variety of tactics ;)
[16:01] <greg-g> generally good planning advice :)
[16:06] <brousch> What is BLM?
[16:07] <rick_h_> bureau of land management
[16:07] <jrwren> out west there is just land!
[16:07] <rick_h_> basically government land you can live on for 14 days at a time and is very remote
[16:07] <jrwren> its so cool! I wish we had that around here.
[16:08] <rick_h_> yea, it's perfect "I hate people" land
[16:15] <brousch> That is kind of cool
[16:16] <brousch> I have a friend with a wife and 3 kids who have lived out of their RV for a couple years. They usually go to mexico to keep it cheap
[17:39] <Scary_Guy> 14 days?
[17:41] <rick_h_> Scary_Guy: after 14 days you have to move spots
[17:42] <Scary_Guy> that sounds annoying as hell
[17:42] <rick_h_> well it's to prevent folks setting up camp and living there for months
[17:42] <rick_h_> or with stuff that's not able to move out
[17:42] <Scary_Guy> if it's remote enough though how will they find out?
[17:42] <jrwren> they wont
[17:43] <Scary_Guy> probably have some satellites now or something though
[17:43] <rick_h_> well places have rangers/etc
[17:43] <Scary_Guy> but like super remote I meant, and it's a lot of land to cover
[17:43] <rick_h_> I mean you have to be able to get your truck/trailer or RV or whatever down there. It's rare folks are really going out there
[17:44] <Scary_Guy> or just live in a cave
[17:44] <jrwren> if you are backpack camping, I don't think they care.
[17:44] <rick_h_> no, that's different
[17:45] <Scary_Guy> no I'm saying make a dugout like they do in Australia
[17:45] <rick_h_> this is more areas that you can pull vehicles into and setup camp for the 14 days
[17:45] <Scary_Guy> oh okay
[17:45] <greg-g> the 14 days doesn't really start until someone sees you :P
[17:45] <Scary_Guy> :)
[17:46] <greg-g> from what I've heard (coworker who's full time) the thing that makes them move more often than not is some other person/group showing up close by. So they pack up and go somewhere else without anyone :)
[17:46] <Scary_Guy> I mean there are homeless people in major cities and no one even knows they're there.  Saw one guy living under a board in a hole and he had electricity, a fridge, a TV.  actually looked kind of nice
[17:47] <jrwren> lol. that sounds like a home.
[17:48] <Scary_Guy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BYoPUOXhVA yeah other than it's literally a hole in the ground
[17:48] <Scary_Guy> hope it don't flood
[17:50] <Scary_Guy> The dugouts in 'Straya are actually super nice too.  Miners live underground because the surface gets super hot and there are millions of flies
[17:55] <Scary_Guy> for high end living I REALLY like this apartment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB2-2j9e4co
[17:57] <Scary_Guy> Also me and my friend Matt should be making MUG tomorrow
[17:58] <jrwren> Hong Kong is amazing
[17:58] <Scary_Guy> Kowloon was amazing, Hong Kong is okay I guess
[17:59] <jrwren> its just so huge.
[17:59] <jrwren> bigger than any city i've ever been in.
[17:59] <Scary_Guy> nice, yeah I suppose it would be cooler if i actually went to visit it
[18:00] <jrwren> ok, maybe not. I didn't realize London is more populous.
[18:05] <Scary_Guy> brb
[18:58]  * rick_h_ goes to get the boy from school
[21:42] <greg-g> looking at craigslist more closely I'm realizing how much of a deal I got on my '83 20ft motorhome from my old neighbor as he was moving out ($2500). It'd go for closer to $6k now
[22:23] <jrwren> i love a small one like that.