[01:06] <paddy> OvenWerks: sorry, I try to fix it myself which involves restarting the laptop. I live in Australia so completely different times
[01:07] <paddy> I'll ask again: after installing jack my headphones play audio fine but when I unplug the headphones no sound comes from my speakers
[01:08] <OvenWerks> paddy, the internal audio needs to have the levels changed for headphones vs speakers. pulse does this automatically. Jack doesn't control any levels/mutes/etc.
[01:09] <OvenWerks> so you would have to do these things manually using alsamixer or qasmixer
[01:12] <OvenWerks> paddy: if you understand some minimal programming, it would be possible to build a daemon in python that looks at the headphone (un)plugged signal and change levels accordingly
[01:14] <paddy> OvenWerks: I'm looking at qasmixer now and there's no control for speakers only for headphones (jack sink?)
[01:14] <OvenWerks> with respect to the GUI for eq10q, that is the generic GUI displayed by the host, not the GUI from the plugin itself. I am not sure which host you arte using it with
[01:15] <OvenWerks> I think the sopeaker level might be called "Front"
[01:15] <OvenWerks> *speaker
[01:17] <OvenWerks> paddy: the thing to do is to watch the levels with with jack turned off and pulse doing the controlling.
[01:17] <paddy> I'm looking at Volume control and there's no front speaker only jack sink, in qasmaster there's only master and I've looked for other options
[01:18] <OvenWerks> volume control? that is pulse's gui.
[01:18] <OvenWerks> it won't tell you much
[01:18] <OvenWerks> in a terminal type alsamixer
[01:19] <OvenWerks> alsa mixer will show you the sound cards controls
[01:20] <OvenWerks> in pulse, one control that you see may control 3 or more sound card controls.
[01:20] <OvenWerks> great for desktop :) not for trouble shooting or pro audio
[01:22] <paddy> Actually, how do I restore pulse/alsa and restart (i.e. remove jack)? I want to know what I'm doing before doing stuff
[01:22] <OvenWerks> killall -9 jackd jackdbus
[01:22] <OvenWerks> pulseaudio -k
[01:22] <OvenWerks> in that order
[01:23] <OvenWerks> (the second may not be needed, but doesn't hyrt)
[01:24] <paddy> okay, this is where I think I stuffed something along the way. after running pulseaudio -k I get no audio output, even the tray icon is greyed out
[01:25] <OvenWerks> run pavucontrol in a terminal.
[01:25] <OvenWerks> Have you added some pulse control file to your home directory or installed some falktx's stuff?
[01:26] <OvenWerks> (kxstudio stuff)
[01:26] <OvenWerks> pulseaudio -k should kill and restart pulse.
[01:27] <OvenWerks> but will not restart if respawn has been tturned off
[01:27] <paddy> ohhhhh, I think I disabled repawn
[01:28] <OvenWerks> running pavucontrol should also restart pulse.
[01:28] <OvenWerks> (if dbus is set up right)
[01:30] <paddy> pulseaudio -k
[01:30] <paddy> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: Failed to kill daemon: No such process
[01:30] <OvenWerks> thats ok if pulse is already stopped
[01:31] <paddy> pavucontrol doesn't reload pulse
[01:31] <OvenWerks> try start-pulseaudio-x11
[01:32] <OvenWerks> (from /etc/xdg/autostart/pulseaudio.desktop)
[01:32] <paddy> start-pulseaudio-x11
[01:32] <paddy> Connection failure: Connection refused
[01:32] <paddy> pa_context_connect() failed: Connection refused
[01:32] <OvenWerks> you may have to logout and back in then.
[01:33] <paddy> okay, I'll be back.
[01:35] <OvenWerks> So jack is still stopped?
[01:36] <paddy> okay, when I log in the default is jack sink, when killall -9 jackd jackdbus
[01:36] <paddy> jackd: no process found
[01:36] <paddy>  start-pulseaudio-x11
[01:36] <paddy> Failure: Module initialisation failed
[01:36] <paddy> when I kill jackdbus all I get is dummy output
[01:36] <OvenWerks> you shouldn't have to do that.
[01:37] <OvenWerks> do you have jack starting at session start?
[01:37] <OvenWerks> pulse audio should already be running if you can see jack sink
[01:37] <paddy> yeah, I must, I'll check candenace
[01:37] <OvenWerks> candence does that
[01:38] <OvenWerks> that is from kxstudio
[01:38] <paddy> yeah auto-start jack or ladish is ticked
[01:38] <OvenWerks> thats ok
[01:38] <OvenWerks> in this case we are just trying to findout what controls pulse plays with when the phones are un/plugged.
[01:39] <OvenWerks> so we want jack stopped so that pulse can play with the audio directly.
[01:41] <OvenWerks> The actual startup command for pulse according to ps x on my system is: /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog
[01:41] <OvenWerks> if starting from a terminal you _may_ need to add a & at the end.
[01:41] <OvenWerks> but pulse in this case should be running
[01:42] <OvenWerks> from pavucontrol you should be able to see your output audio is going to either speakers or headphones
[01:43]  * OvenWerks can't check this cause he has no headphones to try... or even easy access to the back of the computer and no audio plugs on the front... the case is too old :)
[01:44] <OvenWerks> I'm just remembering as best I can from my old netbook and by looking at what I can see in the mixer
[01:44] <paddy> https://pastebin.com/F5SRQi0b this is my ps x. Pavucontrol only has the jack sink as output. did I somehow stupidly disable the speakers?
[01:45] <OvenWerks> no when jackdbus runs it grabs the audio card and pulse can't see it.
[01:46] <OvenWerks> jack_control stop
[01:46] <paddy> okay, only dummy output now
[01:47] <OvenWerks> Ga! so candence disables the pulse audio cards as well.
[01:47] <OvenWerks> I don't have cadence installed on this partition so I can't look
[01:48] <OvenWerks> I don't use it, but you should be able to revert to normal desktop operation from within cadence
[01:48] <OvenWerks> (as I recall)
[01:49] <paddy> what kind of setting is normal desktop?
[01:50] <paddy> Device/Interface?
[01:50] <OvenWerks> pulseaudio takes care of all audio, jack is not running is normal desktop.
[01:51] <OvenWerks> pulse should see all devices and allow you to choose. Pulse will also monitor physical plugins to detect phones plugged and unplugged.
[01:52] <OvenWerks> cadence seems to have turned all that off in pulse when using jack
[01:52] <OvenWerks> (which normally would be a good thing)
[01:53] <OvenWerks> If you don't choose a device it will use default or hw:0,0,0
[01:56] <paddy> what's the difference between hw:PCH,0 [ALC3232 Analog] and hw:HDMI,3 [HDMI 0}?
[01:56] <OvenWerks> in cadence in the Jack status box there are four buttons: Start, Stop, Force restart and Configure
[01:57] <OvenWerks> there may be no difference, hw:PCH,0 may be the same as hw:0,0
[01:58] <OvenWerks> I would try the force restart followed by the Stop and see if that sets pulse to normal operation
[02:00] <paddy> I did: Force Restart -> Stop now dummy audio is the only option in pavu. Under PulseAudio Heading in Cadence it says "PulseAudio is started but not bridged"
[02:00] <OvenWerks> ok
[02:01] <OvenWerks>  so he has not set up a desktop I guess. under the configure tab does you audio show?
[02:02] <OvenWerks> (mine says no cards available... bla bla) but I have pulse not looking for them :)
[02:02] <paddy>  no cards available for configuration (we talking about pavu right?)
[02:02] <OvenWerks> maybe trying to figure this out with pulse is not a great idea
[02:02] <OvenWerks> same as herew
[02:03] <OvenWerks> when you run alsamixer from the command line, what is on the bottom row?
[02:04] <OvenWerks> (master, Headphon PCM Front Front mi frontmi Surround Center ... in my case
[02:04] <paddy> s/pdif s/pdif 1 ... s/pdif 4 is the most bottom thing
[02:04] <OvenWerks> third row down say [playback]?
[02:05] <paddy> yes
[02:05] <OvenWerks> card: HDA Intel PCH at top? or is that hdmi?
[02:05] <paddy>  Card: HDA Intel HDMI                                 F1:  Help               │
[02:05] <paddy> │ Chip: Intel Haswell HDMI
[02:06] <OvenWerks> use F6 to select pch
[02:06] <OvenWerks> does that change things?
[02:07] <OvenWerks> F6 should give you a list of cards use up/down keys to enter to select
[02:08] <paddy> yes lots up up/down I see speaker there
[02:08] <OvenWerks> use right/left keys to move red box there
[02:08] <paddy> yep
[02:09] <OvenWerks> the blevel may be all the way down or you may see MM at the bottom.
[02:09] <OvenWerks> press M to remove the MM (mute)
[02:09] <OvenWerks> or use the up key to move the level up.
[02:10] <paddy> yay! thank you!
[02:10] <OvenWerks> with jack running (in cadence) you should get audio out to your speakers
[02:10] <paddy> thank you so much!
[02:10] <paddy> really, thank you
[02:10] <OvenWerks> I could have done that in 2 sec if I was there much harder in irc
[02:10] <OvenWerks>  :)
[02:11] <OvenWerks> Use cadence and jack and be happy.
[02:11] <paddy> at least I learnt a lot :)
[02:11] <paddy> but really, thank you!
[02:11] <OvenWerks> no problem
[02:11] <paddy> Is there a book/resources to learn this thing proper?
[02:11] <OvenWerks> linux audio in some things has some "gottchas"
[02:11] <OvenWerks>  sadlly no.
[02:12] <OvenWerks> there are some web pages around... but so much is out dated or just wrong for most people
[02:13] <OvenWerks> cadence tries to just do the right thing for most people but speaker switching is not included...
[02:14] <OvenWerks> I am working on something sinmilar to cadence for Studio that will allow pluggin in a USB mic and having it show up in jack on it's own.
[02:14] <OvenWerks> I should look at doing plug detect as I would guess that will show up again
[02:14] <paddy> I can imagine the non-switching being handy but yeah
[02:15] <paddy> does that involve python programming?
[02:15] <OvenWerks> What I am doing is mostly in python (not my favourite) and some bash.
[02:16] <OvenWerks> I would do it in c++ if I could, but packaging binaries is much harder that scripts
[04:39] <studio-user627>  live distro lock screen password?
[04:40] <krytarik> Just hit enter.
[04:41] <studio-user627> is this some sort of joke? All live linux distros lock the screen and no mention of default password on their sites. Username?
[04:43] <studio-user627> suggestion: If you want people to try your distro, either don't lock the screen or put the username and password on yr web site in plain sight
[14:34] <uguraktas> hi
[19:20] <studio-user232> Do ineed a firewall to install?
[19:26] <ErichEickmeyer> 5 minutes is not enough time to get an answer.
[19:31] <krytarik> Well, to be fair, they timed out. :>
[19:32] <ErichEickmeyer> Oh, I need to fix my background color. Not enough contrast. XD
[19:33] <ErichEickmeyer> There we go. :)