[02:06] <ubptgbot> LaRugxaKoro was added by: LaRugxaKoro
 Max Headroom??? Sweet name. I approve you.
 He's 20 minutes into the future
 the original max headroom short is so good
 [Edit] the original max headroom short movie thing is so good
 I love all of it
 Except the Pepsi ad
 @samzn, Yep i think it,s using the wayland protocol now along with the changes in mirserver to suport it.  marius, alan are working on xwayland but it,s not ready yet
 Ought to see tdesktop on a phone, it's really great on Sailfish
 Only issue is the lack of push
 Tdeskip = telegram desktop?
 yes
 Oh 😃
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/s0MSeZMR.png
 converges super well :D
 it me
 yes
 (Photo, 961x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/TqTZmdeZ.png
 @samzn, Nice
[05:47] <ubptgbot> Alex was added by: Alex
 Hi everyone !
 Hi @LaRugxaKoro & Alex welcome. Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed
 @OwnCreatorStudio, Can you explain what you mean by 'modern'? Not a very helpful adjective
 @Max Headroom, I suggest you join the Welcome Room. Sounds like you are 80% towards Ubuntu Touch install success
[07:06] <ubptgbot> Kishan_Bhatt was added by: Kishan_Bhatt
[07:08] <ubptgbot> FicsrealZ was added by: FicsrealZ
 Kind time of day. … Is there a Russian-language chat?
 Hello guys, is it possible to flash ubuntu touch in redmi note 4 Snapdragon device!?
 @UniversalSuperBox, We had device specific issues with power modes in touch drivers..  we had the bottom touch area misbehave wierdly because some drivers map to a key on the bottom of the screen.. but if it is related to the on screen keyboard state ...
 from mirs point of view qt mir has full screen surfaces
 I think even when the keyboard is visible..
 that sounds like some state tracking problem  / race  while enabling  / diabling the keyboard
 @Kishan_Bhatt, https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
 Ohk, that means no luck✌️
 @FicsrealZ, https://t.me/UBports_Ru
[07:28] <ubptgbot> DmitriiKudas was added by: DmitriiKudas
[07:28] <ubptgbot> derptester69 was added by: derptester69
 Hi @Kishan_Bhatt & @FicsrealZ welcome. Take a look to https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started
 @DmitriiKudas & @derptester69 welcome you too. Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @Kishan_Bhatt, Just in case you want to help, someone has started a porting to Halium https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/71
 @sverzegnassi hey, would it be possible for you to add to UT Tweak Tool the ability to sort apps by various size categories: app install, data, cache etc?
 I may need a bit help - I use bq 5HD with original canonical image, luckily in developer mode but my display connector has broken down ... adb found the device - so can anyone advice how to recover data thrugh PC?
 [Edit] I may need a bit help - I use bq 5HD with original canonical image, luckily in developer mode but my display connector has broken down ... adb found the device - so can anyone advice how to recover data through PC?
 adb allows you to commandline in
 adb shell for instance
 also, phablet-shell might work if you have phablet-tools installed
 @rogieroudshoorn, Ok so how will I get through unathorized status?
 Cause other way is just waiting for the device
 i think in android you need to approve through developer tools
 ... which means you're in bad luck if you got no display ...
 can you get it to bootloader? that might not have that issue
 "adb reboot bootloader"
 ... if it's twrp at least ...
 well I can try, but it is just original build from canonical
 Btw the connector is physically disconnected
 then i'm not sure, never tried this on canonical image
 maybe someone else has a good idea?
 @rogieroudshoorn, it won't allow me anything, not even restart device
 there's probably a longpress combo of volume + on/off that does the same
 but that i also don't know
 @rogieroudshoorn, Well i could restart the device by long press power button and so on, but will tgat do any good?
 It' asking for vendor key
 sorry, out of my range now ...
 "my display connector has broken down" … @thepeter what do you exactly mean by that? is the display showing something but doesn't reacto to tapping or it's totally blank and doesn't work at all? If it's the former, have you tried to connect an external mouse?
 @thepeter, You can get a key from BQ
 @advocatux, the connector is physically disconnected - display is by that completelly back
 @Stereofont, Uhm and how?
 @rogieroudshoorn, Thanks for trying anyway
 Have you tried to contact BQ support? https://www.bq.com/en/support/
 @advocatux, [Edit] the connector is physically disconnected - display is by that completelly black
 oh they want to call me ... that would be nice, if just my phone would work
 https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1218/would-changing-the-unity8-name-be-less-confusing-than-keeping-it
 @TartanSpartan, Hi there! Sure it's possible but it might take some time. I'd try to make the app available on xenial first :)
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/CejHZ04h.mp4
 @sverzegnassi, :D
 @buio63, awesome.
 @B0n0b0b has a completely  dead screen on his OPO after trying to repeat UT install by going back to stock Android first.. Outside my knowledge. Anyone any ideas?
 No splashscreen, no response to fastboot
 Hi, I just wanted to have a quick status upgrade about porting. I know the librem will be available by next year but I doubt that my current phone makes it that long and it is rather expensive. my preferred phone would be the HTC 10. My last info was that ivan semkin has been working on that phone. Will this device be supported?
 @Christof, Yes, it will be supported. But not any time soon, it might take half of a year to finish the port
 great news! many thanks for the info! I guess availability of phones is the only thing keeping ubports usage from increasing _significantly_
 Marius also works on that port, so i am not the only one doing the lifting
 You can actually install and use ubports on htc 10 right now, but not all features are supported yet
 I.e. no camera, no audio, etc
 @vanyasem, You will find the latest images (unofficial) here halium.mynameisivan.ru
 @vanyasem, [Edit] You will find the latest images (unofficial) here halium.mynameisivan.ru/htc-10
 @vanyasem, just wonder, do you have latest rootfs running on it?
 or only old -caf one?
 @NotKit, This
 Waiting for marius to fix caf
 @NotKit, It's mirrored in the root of that website i gave above
 Exactly for this reason
 did you try with new android-caf Mir platform?
 No, been busy irl
 @NotKit, I recommend freshly roasted to fix your problem.
 ем?
 @NotKit, Join @CookingOfUbuntu to share that info :P
 did @wayneoutthere make a joke then?
 @NotKit, yeah. my statement was also a joke referring to the meaning of "ем" in Russian :P
 @NotKit, i prefer fresh -caf instead of old -caf
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/09xevHiM.mp4
[15:09] <ubptgbot> befeather was added by: befeather
 @befeather, Welcome, Никита!  Take a look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started
 @befeather, [Edit] Welcome, Никита! Take a look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started
 (Photo, 934x699) https://irc.ubports.com/ENKfFKs6.png
 18.10 ^^
 Octopus
 Cuttlefish
 Cute-l-fish
 (Photo, 800x530) https://irc.ubports.com/ZxIRhPWg.png Cyanea Capillata
 @popescu_sorin, Is that the name for 18.10? I saw Ubuntu using Ubuntu 18.10 (Cosmic CANIMAL) in the daily builds
 @advocatux, Yes
 So Cosmic Canimal is a provisional codename?
 http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1521
 @advocatux, http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1521
 hehe @Tompla first :D
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Bxiosc6J.mp4
 Thank you both :)
 Cosmic Cthulhu
 @dohbee, Nice !!!
 surprised it wasn't Cosmic Canine though
 So if I was to plug a CD/DVD/BRD device into a UT phablet via USB OTG, does anyone think a Libertine program could interface with it?
 if you bind mount it, i guess maybe
 and presuming it has external power
 It does yes.
 Would that be along these lines?
 https://askubuntu.com/questions/256587/how-to-mount-dvd-rw-drive-create-mount-point
 it would be like how you forwarded the mount point for your SD card into your container
 Ahhhh
 Ok.
 I guess the first thing to do would be to use CLI-fu to find the USB device's identifiers?
 lsusb:
 Bus 001 Device 004: ID 13fd:3940 Initio Corporation
 That's the man of the hour.
[16:46] <ubptgbot> paulgiron was added by: paulgiron
 well it should already show up as a device to mount, probably sda or something
 check dmesg i guess
 Welcome @paulgiron !!! Check out this to get you started! If you have any questions, feel free to ask here or in our Welcome and Install room! https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Hmmm:
 (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc.ubports.com/8raIEQDk.png
 Don't see sr0 or DVD there.
 oh, maybe the drivers aren't built into the kernel then
 Could there be a way to implement them into the container?
 what does `dmesg` say about it when you connect the drive?
 no, not in the container
 Should I run that command in the UT terminal? Or the container's?
 in the root
 don't do anything in the container until you can access it in the host system
 I use dmesg and grep for dvd but nothing.
 don't grep, just plug in the thing, and then immediately run `dmesg | tail -20` for example to get the last 20 lines
 and see if it assigns a device or not
 (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc.ubports.com/6okHjFQH.png
 so no, it doesn't assign a block device node to it. probably missing the necessary drivers in the kernel
 Hmmm.
 Is this something which can be implemented for Xenial @mariogrip @UniversalSuperBox
 it has nothing to do with vivid or xenial
 Isn't there an upgraded kernel being introduced with Xenial?
 no
 Can that be done with subsequent OTAs?
 at least, not unless the device in question has a newer kernel released for it
 Ahhhh. Right.
 no, it has nothing to do with the kernel version either
 it's just that the phone kernels are built differently than you're used to with traditional PC linux installs
 the kernels are built with a very limited set of drivers built into the kernel directly (rather than loaded via modules), due to the tighter space and memory constraints of embedded devices
 I see.
 also becuase people don't tend to attach arbitrary hardware to them
 Raising the question, could this work on Raspbian or Ubuntu MATE for RPI?
 sure it would work
 It's by no means essential, I have desktops, it's more of a for science thing.
 it could work on phones too
 but it's not trivial to make work reliably across all devices
 Sounds like that's the case for many Android phablets too according to a web search.
 yes, we use the same kernel as the android version of the device ships with
 Indeed.
 and we only make some minor changes, like enabling apparmor or a couple of other small patches
 It's not like it's super easy to break out this BR player on the train, power it and maintain a stable OTG connection anyway. It's USB 3 standard and sometimes that can be finicky, in my experience anyway.
 Even without that, I would probably have to attempt to rip a movie from the disk, downscale it to 480p with ffmpeg and then play it, because although we have stable video on VLC, the vlc-sdl-output package isn't optimised for HD.
 @sverzegnassi thank you yes, that would help users to determine which apps are particularly bloated and need to be managed for storage.
 Why the pings though
 Why did I tag you guys you mean?
 Just to learn more about how the kernel works on mobile devices.
[17:53] <ubptgbot> <Zoran Aleksic> Question? … I first installed: … VEGETA01A-S23A_BQ_L100EN_1013_160524 … I received advice, that using ubporta, I install a newer ... … I installed 15.04 / 3 and I was offered an upgrade. I upgraded to 15.04 / 15 ... I was told that this is also an old ... … Which version is the latest and suitable for BQ aquarisE5 HD..poz ...
[17:53] <ubptgbot> to the whole group
 Afaik 15.04 OTA 3 is still a version by canonical. You still need to use the UBports installer to upgrade to the UBports version.
 [Edit] Afaik 15.04 OTA 15 is still a version by canonical. You still need to use the UBports installer to upgrade to the UBports version.
 @vanyasem, Nice!
[18:01] <ubptgbot> <Zoran Aleksic> otherwise, in some other variant, a better story with the BQ phone had ... Or, I should look for a better story with another phone, and then what !!!!
 @Zoran Aleksic, you want the `ubports-touch/15.04/stable` channel from the `system-image.ubports.com` server. you installed a canonical image that was an older version, and then i guess upgraded to the last version from canonical, as the old server seems to still be up. now that you have ubuntu on it, you need to re-flash using
[18:02] <ubptgbot>  the ubports-installer
[18:05] <ubptgbot> <Zoran Aleksic> @dohbee, how to persuade him to install me a new ... … And how's that new name ...
 @Zoran Aleksic, http://ubuntu-touch.io/install
 Anyone using kodimote?
[18:11] <ubptgbot> <Zoran Aleksic> @dohbee, Something so easy to use ... that I recommend it to everyone ....
[18:12] <ubptgbot> <Zoran Aleksic> @dohbee, version 16.04 is the latest .. as beta
 yes, but if you want your phone to work reliably as a phone, the stable channel is what you want
 hmm, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Touch really needs some updating in certain areas
[18:16] <ubptgbot> <Zoran Aleksic> I love, new ... like desktop..my is Ubuntu 18.04, from the moment of testing to the final .....
 well i guess you don't need to make emergency calls from your stationary PC, or receive calls from friends/family on it, or use it for GPS when you get lost in the city, or something :)
[18:50] <ubptgbot> <Thomas Wolfanger> @andre_buesgen, Yes...
 @Thomas Wolfanger, Does the shutdown command work for you?
[18:54] <ubptgbot> <Thomas Wolfanger> Not tried yet. I'm going to test it.
 Okay, thanks!
 @dohbee, We have attempted to do that but the 'keeper' is not keen
 well it's not supposed to be first party stuff
 o_O
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Vzuf6Sis.mp4
 @popescu_sorin, Looks like ios
 @popescu_sorin, N9 and Palm were right :D
 yeah )
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Android is confirmed the poor man's iPhone confirmed
 lol i wish
 even with swipe gestures they are wasting screen space
 pixel is $800 phone
 @dohbee, And windows phone will still receive updates longer than it...
 @samzn, Is that that motorola?
 ya moto X2, port by @Mister1Magister
 kay
 is this still on that old tdesktop version?
 ya
 tdesktop is a nightmare to compile
 but seems debian have packages in their repos now
 for armv7
 I want to compile that but
 google breakpad
 and stuff
 >~>
 it's not really built to work on UT, even once you do get it compiled
 It should work beautifully
 i mean, yeah, it supports all the newer features, but the UX is not good
 Only issue is lack of push notifications and UT doesnt have good background scheduling
 it shouldn't need background scheduling
 that needs libnotify shim
 the notification part
 it also doesn't deal well with the mic/camera access or other things
 or rework of notification pusher for the platform
 notifications need reworked, but that's unrelated to anything having to do with telegram-desktop
 if things didn't go the way they did a year ago, i might well be working on a better notifications framework right now
 alas
 @samzn, If you put that on your battery will die with all those desktop apps doing smth ;)
 @Flohack, SFOS and N9 has a good scheduler that doesn't ruin battery
 Fwd from alan_morford: Hey guys how is PC mode on UT on the n5?
 broken
 that’s my experience with it
 libertine apps are broken, touchpad is broken
 apart from that, it works
 libertine = desktop apps
 Bummer
 there is a weird bug that only affects nexus 5, which makes libertine apps not work
[19:43] <ubptgbot> <Thomas Wolfanger> @andre_buesgen, Doesn't work for me either. Only kodi is being stopped.
 No sound using the slimport
 I mean. It only sounds from the phone speakers
 @malditobastardo, this is true on all devices though
 @Thomas Wolfanger, Maybe I will have a look at the source next weekend. Thanks for answering
[20:15] <ubptgbot> <Thomas Wolfanger> @andre_buesgen, 👍
[23:05] <ubptgbot> Ivan was added by: Ivan
 @Ivan, Welcome Ivan. You have a really nice name
 Take a look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started
 @vanyasem, I think you're a little biased 😉