[11:20] <waldo323> good morning
[12:00] <rick_h_> no, it's definitely not good
[12:16] <jrwren> why not?
[12:21] <waldo323> oi :-\ then i hope it improves
[12:25] <cmaloney> rick_h_: What happened?
[12:28] <rick_h_> sorry, internet issues
[12:28] <rick_h_> got hung up on first tech person
[12:28] <rick_h_> told that "everything is fine" from the second person and when I explain that my cameras show that at 12:57am internet went out and that everything works internally but as soon as a hardwired device attempts to ping a static IP through the gateway it fails...
[12:28] <rick_h_> so now waiting on "Tier 2" support to call me wheeee
[12:29] <rick_h_> business class service at its best
[12:29] <cmaloney> Oh that's nice of them
[12:29] <rick_h_> yea, I mean I had to do "put yourself in my shoes. So you say everything is fine I'm explaining how it's not. If we hang up, who am I supposed to call next?"
[12:30] <cmaloney> Help me do your job for you because frankly you're not doing a good job of it. ;)
[12:31] <cmaloney> Yeah, diagnosing internet issues isn't fun
[12:31] <rick_h_> oh look, and now it's magically back without me turning any knobs
[12:31] <cmaloney> especially when they require sending someone out. They really don't like to do that
[12:31] <rick_h_> almost as if something was wrong upstream...
[12:31] <cmaloney> quelle surprise
[12:32] <cmaloney> Did someone @ comcastcares
[12:32] <cmaloney> or is it xfinitysaysgofuckyourself?
[12:32] <cmaloney> I can't keep up
[12:32] <rick_h_> comcast business
[12:32] <rick_h_> so I get to keep using the C-word for now
[12:34] <cmaloney> w00t
[12:34] <rick_h_> lol and everything starts coming through from reminders/etc
[12:35] <cmaloney> nice
[12:35] <cmaloney> So the Comcast side is the side that doesn't try to upsell you 10 different cable bundles every time you call them?
[12:36] <cmaloney> "My internet is busted" "We're here to help you, sire; now, would you like HBO with that?"
[12:36] <cmaloney> sire
[12:36] <cmaloney> Apparently that's the medieval support person
[12:38] <waldo323> because the support is from the dark ages
[12:39] <cmaloney> Wouldnt' surprise me if COmcast / Xfinity built a time machine so they could use peasants from the middle ages for call center support
[12:39] <cmaloney> "Now, when you say 'computer' what device are you speaking of, good sir"
[12:40] <cmaloney> "Be glad it's a mouse and not a rat; you'll catch the plague from those buggers"
[12:40] <cmaloney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa_hiLXLbTc
[12:45] <rick_h_> so taking bets on if comcast tier 2 actually calls to verify that things are ok or not
[12:46] <rick_h_> or if they just see the traffic graph spike up and run off and go "welp my work here is done"
[12:46] <cmaloney> They're waiting to see if the magic beans they sprinked on the router took hold
[12:47] <cmaloney> then you'll get the "yup, seems to be working"
[13:51] <rick_h_> heh, got the call from tier 2 person
[13:51] <jrwren> did they explain anything?
[13:51] <rick_h_> guess they did maint on a major box that services the area last night and they forgot to configure something that enables all static ip customers
[13:52] <rick_h_> so thousands of business customers in the area knocked out
[13:52] <jrwren> damn!!!!
[13:52] <jrwren> osunds like business class is second class.
[13:52] <rick_h_> the crazy part is how tier 1 said nothing was wrong in the area
[13:53] <rick_h_> but it sure seems that should come up that hey "every business customer in this area's called to report issues"
[13:53] <jrwren> yup, terrible system
[13:54] <rick_h_> anyway, I'll stop my bitching now
[14:09] <cmaloney> heh
[14:10] <cmaloney> So, telling a recruiter that you feel left behind in the commercial side of computing: good move or great move? :)
[14:12] <rick_h_> lol
[15:21] <brousch> Is the recruiter working for you, or for a company?
[15:22] <brousch> I have recruiters I would feel comfortable telling that, and they would work with me to get the needed skills
[15:43] <cmaloney> For a company ultimately
[15:45] <cmaloney> not sure how it is on the west side but most of the recruiters I've experienced here couldn't be bothered to help out
[15:45] <brousch> I have cultivated relationships with a couple of them outside of work
[15:45] <cmaloney> You usually get about one or two months of a recruiter's attention before they move on to other prospects
[15:46] <brousch> handcrafted artisinal recruiters
[15:46] <cmaloney> and unless you make it through a company's hiring process and land a job they don't kindle that relationship
[15:46] <cmaloney> heh
[15:46] <cmaloney> and once you leave a job my experience is there are few recruiters that will continue the relationship
[15:46] <cmaloney> there are some that did
[15:47] <cmaloney> but I've lost touch with them
[15:47] <cmaloney> unlike a realtor that we ran into a long time ago that still calls me
[15:47] <cmaloney> (this might also be because i rarely give out my phone number)
[16:43] <rick_h_> so over/under of new chat systems at google i/o this year is set at 2
[16:46] <greg-g> le sigh
[16:46] <greg-g> we already had a "make a google chat bot for Wikimedia's Phabricator" task. I ain't going to do it. Been burned too many times already.
[16:48] <rick_h_> greg-g: ah ouch
[16:48] <cmaloney> I'm sure they'll converge them together in some fashion
[16:48] <cmaloney> But yeah, anyone who thought Allo was going to do anything wasn't paying attention
[16:49] <cmaloney> Hangouts going to Enterprise only is a real pisser though
[16:49] <cmaloney> or Enterprise Focused
[16:49] <cmaloney> since that's essentially all of my chat online
[16:49] <rick_h_> well that's going to meet
[16:50] <rick_h_> thuogh I wish work work turn it on and migrate it on that account
[16:50] <cmaloney> Duo is just silly since it's for phones only
[16:50] <greg-g> I think our org won't enable google meet until we have to
[16:50]  * rick_h_ still uses hangouts in inbox so he can text his wife from the computer 
[16:51] <cmaloney> but then again, anyone complaining about no desktop support for chat is yelling at the kids to get off their lawn
[16:51] <rick_h_> greg-g: so far my testing shows it's doing better than hangouts
[16:51] <greg-g> cool
[16:51] <rick_h_> greg-g: I've set it up on my personal domain and been doing some testing on there. The biggest :( is that the quality slider is gone and you have to go into settings to flip down quality for low bandwidth connections
[16:51] <rick_h_> cmaloney: or just sits behind a computer by day heh
[16:52]  * cmaloney is just going to use Jitsi and Mastodon DMs
[16:52] <cmaloney> screw y'all, I'm going to talk to myself
[16:52] <cmaloney> What will likely happen is folks will move completely to Discord
[16:52] <cmaloney> and then we'll get to see how awful they are when they have more power over users.
[16:53]  * cmaloney is wondering when he started channeling John C Dvorak levels of curmudgeon
[16:54] <greg-g> rick_h_: oh that sucks, I use that all the time on slow connections.
[16:54] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, same here
[16:54] <greg-g> and only imagine I'll be doing it more once our travels start :)
[16:54] <rick_h_> greg-g: but overall video/audio quality is better so far
[16:54] <greg-g> cool
[16:54] <cmaloney> The sad thing is I'm starting to think that OwnCloud et al folks are getting it right for the wrong reasons
[16:54] <greg-g> cmaloney: I still haven't tried discord...
[16:55] <cmaloney> it's not the privacy concerns, it's the deprecation concerns
[16:55] <cmaloney> greg-g: Honestly it's my least favorite of all of them
[16:55] <greg-g> cmaloney: for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCb-WcxO5SU&t=51s
[16:55] <cmaloney> it's like IRC / Slack but with less utility and more ways to put garbage in the timeline
[16:56] <greg-g> oh goody
[16:56] <cmaloney> greg-g: Hah
[18:22] <waldo323> one that got me a job offer I didn't accept contacted me today to checkin
[18:22] <waldo323> one = a recruiter    in response to earlier comments
[18:28] <waldo323> does slack have audio/video?
[18:28] <jrwren> yes
[18:40] <Scary_Guy> cmaloney, that video reminds me of Heron's "steam ball"
[18:40] <Scary_Guy> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolipile
[18:45] <Scary_Guy> Looks like I'm skipping tonight.  Matt bailed to work on other things and I have some stuff to do here anyway.  You kids have fun
[18:48] <cmaloney> bummer
[18:49] <cmaloney> We should be streaming it tonight if you want to play along at home
[18:52] <Scary_Guy> you usually stream it anyway, but yeah I'll try to remember to tune in, if not I'll catch the canned stream later
[19:38] <cmaloney> np
[20:02] <waldo323> we should even have a working mic :)
[20:02] <cmaloney> ideally
[20:02] <waldo323> I'm headed out hope to see everyone (that can make it) at mug
[20:05] <cmaloney> Getting wrapped up as well
[21:47] <Scary_Guy> I'm kind of surprised the venue doesn't have one you can check out
[22:49] <jrwren> all hail Cosmic Cuttlefish
[22:51] <cmaloney> woo woo