[00:12] <OvenWerks> Maybe I should take out the functionallity Cadence covers and just add the extras.
[02:31] <BionicMac> OvenWerks: Leave the US-controls as is please. =)
[02:33] <ErichEickmeyer> BionicMac: what do you mean?
[02:35] <BionicMac> ErichEickmeyer: I was just kidding around in responding to OvenWerks comment: OvenWerks | Maybe I should take out the functionallity Cadence covers and just add the extras.
[02:36] <BionicMac> Because I prefer US over KXstudio in general.
[02:37] <BionicMac> I had a few problems with the kx suite of tools not nehaving with my jack connections. I removed them all.
[02:37] <BionicMac> s/nehaving/behaving/
[02:37] <ErichEickmeyer> Ah. Well, there's some great stuff coming down the pike for -controls: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2018-April/008591.html
[02:38] <BionicMac> I see! That is what I am referring to. DO not remove functionality becaue of Cadence/Catia. There are folks like me that need the functionality of US-controls. =)
[02:38] <BionicMac> ErichEickmeyer: ok thanks for the link.
[02:38] <ErichEickmeyer> np
[02:39] <ErichEickmeyer> We're just trying to figure out what would be a decent replacement for Patchage since it's unmaintained. Carla, though it's a plugin host, seems to be the most logical solution since it has a really nice patchbay.
[02:40] <ErichEickmeyer> I don't think we'd ever consider remove functionality from -controls.
[02:41] <ErichEickmeyer> *removing
[02:41] <BionicMac> I actually dig the interfaces of the Cadence suite. Easy on the eye, and it works, except for 2 things:
[02:41] <BionicMac> 1) It doesn't behave with my jack connectiosns and it has to do with 'ladishd'
[02:42] <BionicMac> I will have my connectiosn setup nice and pretty and bam, all my connections are magcially re-arranged by the Cadence suite. Very bad deal, I've had it almost blow my speaker sout making those auto-connections.
[02:42] <ErichEickmeyer> 1) - definitely a shortcoming of Ladish. Even Gladish has the same problem (Claudia is the Ladish frontend, not Catia).
[02:43] <BionicMac> right, I just think of zcadence because that is where I watch my connections of course, ladishd was the actual culprit, correct.
[02:44] <BionicMac> 2) I do *not* like having kxstudio repos on my system because I have to set priorities or it tries to upgrade apps all the time.
[02:44] <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah. I don't even bother with Claudia or Ladish. Messes things up for me.
[02:44] <ErichEickmeyer> 2) THIS I can agree with!
[02:44] <BionicMac> speaking of 2) .. I always know that Ubuntustudio will be nice to my system as a whole in that regard.
[02:50] <BionicMac> I use non-mixer for my plugin host.
[02:51] <BionicMac> I wish the non-* suite was in UbuntuStudio.
[02:51] <BionicMac> That was the only reason I installed KXStudio repos in the first place.
[02:53] <BionicMac> I've been studying how to build packages the Ubuntu-way. I think I may build the non-* packages for Ubuntu and put them on Launchpad.
[02:54] <BionicMac> Hello SlidingHorn
[03:15] <ErichEickmeyer> BionicMac: That would be great. I'm learning packaging myself. Nobody is upgrading the Calf plugins to the latest version, and it's been out since November. Might have to do it myself.
[03:43] <OvenWerks> the non-stuff is not hard to build... last time I tried it went well. Used to be a lot of people used NTK for GUI libs too.
[04:04] <BionicMac> only thing I have issue with non apps is the nano-font-size. they don't follow my system-wide fonts in Kde. I can literally barely read the text. I assume it has something to with NTK.
[04:06] <OvenWerks> Hmm, I hadn't noticed but then, my screens are relatively low rez
[04:06] <OvenWerks> FLTK seems to be fine (NTK is built on FLTK)
[04:06] <BionicMac> my displa is high-res but I scale my desktop and set system-wide fonts that non doesn't honor.
[04:10] <OvenWerks> Thinking about that a bit more, it seems to me that I ended up with a dual rezolution commandline switch in mcpdisp (FLTK) so you are probably right.
[04:12] <BionicMac> I read an article about font size issues with FLTK (for another app) and the person changed the source code to overcome it.
[04:14] <BionicMac> and here it is: https://www.oyranos.org/2016/01/high-dpi-with-fltk/index.html
[04:14] <OvenWerks> I wonder is AVTK is any better.
[04:17] <BionicMac> on another topic, I installed Clementine and am really diggin' it. So nice.
[04:18] <OvenWerks> He seems to have forgottne how old FLTK (AKA forms) really is.
[04:19] <OvenWerks> it is from the original Motif era
[04:19] <BionicMac> I've never been able to settle on the bloaty-type music players on linux. I always go back to mplayer cli. It plays everything and I like it. But it is handy having a power-gui music player. Clementine is doing it for me personally. VLC is pretty dang nice too.
[04:19] <BionicMac> Oh, motif era is old school.
[04:20] <OvenWerks> I like VLC except it never stops once started.
[04:20] <Unit193> "never stops"?
[04:20] <cfhowlett> ???
[04:20] <BionicMac> OvenWerks: Never stops? I'm not ctching your meaning.
[04:20] <BionicMac> catching*
[04:20] <Unit193> Eg, I had this: vlc -f --audio-visual visual --effect-list spectrum --run-time 21600 --play-and-exit http://peridot.streamguys.com:5550/live
[04:21] <BionicMac> Unit193: nice line... let me try that
[04:21] <Unit193> You're gonna want to adjust some of that at least.
[04:21] <cfhowlett> killed it with a single click ...
[04:22] <BionicMac> cfhowlett: vlc never gives me issues either
[04:23] <BionicMac> Unit193: That line was wicked cool. worked perfect "as-is"
[04:24] <Unit193> Plays for that duration and quits.
[04:25] <OvenWerks> Ya that is what I mean. if you use context menu from filemanager to play a video with VLC, the video ends but VLC stays in memory
[04:27] <BionicMac> Nice, shift+A toggles audio output source
[04:27] <OvenWerks> The reason people use FLTK in audio things like plugins and plugin hosts is because the whole thing ends up in the binary un like QT/gtk
[04:27] <BionicMac> The it has to be way to correct the fonts, surely?
[04:28] <OvenWerks> you pointed to it.
[04:28] <OvenWerks> the dev has to detect and adjust.
[04:29] <BionicMac> The that article gives the answer.
[04:29] <BionicMac> Then*
[04:29] <Unit193> OvenWerks: ...There's an option in the file menu to quit.
[04:29] <Unit193> "Quit after playback"
[04:30] <OvenWerks> I'll remember that... beats killall stuff
[04:30] <Unit193> ..There's also the 'X' where you don't have to killall..
[04:31] <OvenWerks> the window decoration X doesn't seem to be that X
[04:32] <OvenWerks> window goes away... vlc is still around
[04:33] <BionicMac> OvenWerks: ah, ok, I see what you mean now.
[04:33] <OvenWerks> huh, can't even test it right now, I haven't installed it in 18.04 yet :)
[04:35] <OvenWerks> BionicMac: the reason I noticed it was that if VLC didn't like a video and I went to trysome other player... VLC was blocking the other player.
[04:35] <OvenWerks> kill vlc and the other player would work.
[04:37] <OvenWerks> Anyway, I am off till tomorrow... g'nite
[04:39] <BionicMac> nite